Third Party Transformers General: Development Hell Edition

>89 image posts
>page 6

Okay, you created a new thread because....?

>>5943416

Every time I see these things all I can think about is how much wasted potential they are. We could've had good, Legends scale Dinobots.

Instead we've got "Just what the fuck ever" cybertronian tankbots.

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>>5943444

That doesn't stop anyone from making Legends scale dino dinobots though. This was the more interesting take that no one else sans spark toys is attempting.

Besides you'll get your wish with DX9 who just shit out 2 protos for legends Dinobots this weekend.

>>5943444

They're Dreamwave comics designs, mate.

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BEEF

Dat crotch face doe

>>5943455
>Besides you'll get your wish with DX9

But my wish is that IF did them, because all of the IF offerings have been good while the DX9 ones have been really scatter-shot in terms of articulation.

>>5943457

I still think people would've rather had the regular Dinobots than cybertronian tanks.

>>5943470

Why? There's more 3P Dinobots than Constructicons by now.

>>5943476

But no Legends sized ones.

>>5943468

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre.

He's just too humanoid for my tastes...

>>5943468
How big tho

>>5943468
Muh diq

>>5943429
Because why not, they are free.

I met this guy selling ONLY Third Party Transformers at Retrocon and as soon as I mentioned Hasbro Transformers he gave me this look. He sounded like an elitist prick.

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>>5943538

I don't know but that's a person standing behind the display.

>>5943560
Elitist pricks pricks in the toy collecting community? Say it isn't so!

>>5943478
Technically there are, but but it's their War Within version.

>>5943560

>Elitism

I don't get this. Many HasTak folks in the official thread spend just as much if not more than me on toys despite me exclusively buying third party options. They just make up the cheaper prices with more stuff instead of pricier stuff.

A lot of them will blanch at the idea of paying 100 dollars on a combiner limb but they're also the same people who bitch if a MP Lambor remold is more than 70 bucks.

Quality of quantity.

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I kinda want it. It's from the X2 with their linking base sets.

>>5943728

Fuck! I knew there had to be a good reason X2 was delaying their linked walls. Fuck.. I want that.

>>5943728
Oh damn thats awesome

>>5943693
>>5943690
>>5943686

I'm pretty impressed.

>>5939134
Someone mentioned in the other thread that Victorion was $40 somewhere. Where was this?

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>>5943728
If the screen doesn't light up or anything, imagine installing a tiny monitor in that so it can actually show things.

>>5944055

Amazon about 4-5 days ago. It's back to $70 right now though. It was sitting at $40 for a week.

>>5944088
Why? Was this some kind of sale? I'd rather have Defensor but $40 is a steal for any CW stuff.

>>5944102

Amazon just randomly discounts stuff. Especially if it isn't selling and it's a bigger item. Vicky must've been clogging the shelves something fierce.

The only way to tell if anything is off is to put stuff on a "Want" list there and just check it every day, or check message boards, but those aren't always concrete since sometimes people don't mention shit until after a sale is up. I've got a ton of shit that I watch on Amazon just to see if it gets a discount. I should've nabbed Vicky myself, but the sale came when I was broke. Hopefully it'll go on sale that deeply again at some point.

>>5944060
You could just get one of those electronic picture frames that just show images off of an SD card. They make them in all sorts of sizes.

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As sexy as this is, I still am not fond of the space sub vs mad max tank or something.

>>5944138
Well yeah but I want to run actual videos on it like G1 or even the movie. Monitors that might fit it are available though so its easy enough.

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>>5944152
Seems I had a bit of a stroke in mid typing.

I get why they did it but a gun Megatron is kinda old unless it's a MPalike.

I kinda want a big bad bruiser looking Megatron.

>>5944152

I'm with you friendo, if this had a tank mode I'd be all in.

>>5944175

Funny, because all I've wanted was a gun Megs because they're never going to officially do that any time soon unless it's Takara or 3P's.

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Planet X's Apocalpse is a kinda duo-con thing that is being sold in two parts. You have to combine the sets to form Trypticon dino-ogre mode.

The first set is predicted to release in early 2017.

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>>5944354

>this unorthodox release kills planet X
>We will ever never get the Voyager WFC Ironhide and Ratchet remold

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I'm not sure if the combined space cruiser mode can go into its other base/jet modes without partsforming. It looks like it can. The only mystery is the big jet nosecone/cockpit since that huge strip of yellow does not appear anywhere in robot mode, but it looks like the entire thing telescopes into itself and might spin around to form the body mass.

I'm trying to gauge just how big the jet is going by the robot mode, and I keep wondering what the fuck kind of stand is going to support something this big?

>>5943560
>>5943665

Wait, there are people who buy third party Transformers exclusively? Why?

>>5944421
Ie bait and switch do not trust this until reviews come out

>>5944392
>voyager
Stop

>>5944421
The yellow strip is on his fucking forehead you tard

>>5944423
because Hasbro sells hollow pieces of shit.

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>>5944431
So it IS an elitism thing?

>>5944441
>portable turntables
Fucking christ

Hipster trash should be burned alive

Alsp

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>>5944428

There are two strips you stupid nigger. One is his head sitting in the middle of the jet like Prime Megatron. You can see his eyes. The other is at the front of the ship and is much bigger. That's the one that isn't visible at any angle in the robot mode renders.

>>5944441
it's avoiding $6 value hollow toys sold for $15 apiece.

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Bobo skeleton reviews GT Devestator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmMdCCUONpU

>>5943470
>Opinions

>>5944752

>"The ratchets are great but everything keeps falling apart somehow"
>All that tugging and hamhanding
>Nothing seems to be tabbed together properly
>He still comes to the conclusion that it's great

Did he film this in ten minutes?

>>5944423

Hasbro releases smaller toys with smaller budgets then my third party stuff because they don't have budget limitations for a mainline audience.

I only started collecting recently and haven't really found an MP I liked. I sorta want a soundwave but don't like him enough to pay scalper prices.

>>5944423
I just think of Thew'ds one 3P review where he jokes about 3P exclusive collectors being obnoxious.

>>5944855
>THIRD PARTY BALLERS REPRESENT! SUCK MY TAINT HASBLOW!

>>5944752

Sounds like he rushed through the whole thing. Christ that wasn't a good overview at all.

>No remaster skullcruncher
>No O-Supreme citybot
>No Trypticon citybot
>No remaster highbrow
>No cross dimension seekers (yet)

Fucking hell maketoys I'm trying to give you money.

>>5944847
Preorder the reissue that comes out this december.

>>5944423
>Wait, there are people who buy third party Transformers exclusively? Why?

I have no problem with hasbro, I just like the higher level of detail / articulation on 3rd party stuff.

Also, like another anon mentioned, hasbro stuff tends to have a lot of visible hallow parts, particularly in the arms and legs that I really dont like.

>>5944843
>>5945105
He's been phoning in his reviews a lot lately.
>didn't mention the removable face
>didn't mention the crane is removable
He's either getting tired of it, doesn't have the time, or a little a both. I know he had a shindig at his house recently and people gave him a lot of stuff to review. Check out his grassor review. Its really painful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvxdqq8IPyQ

>>5943665
I'd rather be around 3p elitist more, at least they are sipping tea while arguing unlike the Hasbro plebs that throw shit at everything when arguing their cheap $15 toys are the best thing since slice bread. The Takara crowd are usually the reasonable ones in that general thread, you see the Hasbro guys always trying to start a fight with them and at the end it's the Hasbro guys fighting with each other while the Takara guys they are trying to troll just watch in the side lines wondering what just happened.

Hasbro deserves to have their IP stolen.

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>same shit poster same fagging every damn thread

>>5945606

This. There's so much in the TF universe that would never see plastic if not for third party.

>Bought Apollo and the bust at 1am on saturday
>It's still processing and I feel offended

How do I stop being impatient as fuck?

>>5945642

Shit where did you buy from? I'm still trying to find a US retailer that has both in stock.

>>5945674

I preordered the bust but bought the in stock figure both at Lunar Toy Store. I don't think any US retailer has the bust in hand yet.

>>5945678

Ah damn. Alright. Yeah, everyone seems to have the base figure in stock already, but I want the figure and the bust so I don't have to pay shipping twice.

>>5945689

I was in the same boat but ate the charge because apollo was going fast. I think BBTS already is out of stock.

>>5945692

Nah, BBTS still has the main figure in stock. But the bust PO's are sold out at BBTS. I guess I probably should suck it up and just order them seperate though.

Hey, so I was thinking of ordering some Bootleg Masterpiece figures from "Takasa Tony"

Do those count as "third-party" figures or should discussion stay in the main TF thread?

>>5945703

Honestly I see those brought up all over the place, so here probably wouldn't hurt.

>>5945703

There's a lot of moralfags in the tfg thread that wince about IP theft or whatever so it's probably fine here.

So my choices are moralfaggotry or elitism? I don't like those odds.

Is it even that moral of an issue? Hasn't Takara/Hasbro already made their money from the molds since they aren't making anymore.
I see this is a chance to get the figures I "missed" for a more fair price than importing them from Japan costs.
Anyway, the Masterpiece Wheeljack, Sideswipe and Bluestreak and Bumblebee are all like $26 shipped on eBay. Cheaper than Aliexpress even.

>>5945718
companies don't give a shit about you beyond your money. Stop caring about them so much.

>>5945744
I just found a nice Devestator bootleg. These are some of the better ones and only cost about as much as a Deluxe TF from Hasbro today. (how come Third-parties don't charge prices more reasonable like this?) I do like the alternative stuff like this provides for people who just want the toy.
I picked up their Baldigus back around 2001 or 2002 and the quality is decent. They just don't use diecast. They're not as nice as those expensive bootlegs that use die-cast and shit but they're still decent.


These used to be all over eBay and Big Lots about 10 years ago. I think they were like 9.99 or 14.99 at Big Lots. This guy still seems to have over 1000 of them left.

If anyone can find their Landcross and Defensor on Aliexpress, please post it here. There is a guy asking like $80 for this Devastator on eBay right now.

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TFC Road Caesar confirmed

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Does anyone recognize this Devastator bootleg? Anyone have it? Is the quality any good?

>>5945775
>>5945776

Does anyone care enough about a road Caesar? That's sort of obscure. I'd rather see another bruticus.

>>5945802
>That's sort of obscure
Exactly. If everyone keeps copying each other the whole thing is going to eventually collapse on itself.

>>5945775
>>5945776
>road caesar
>not T H I C C
Shit/10

>>5945781
it's one of those shrunken G1 KOs with SDCC chrome. They're marginally okay for $5, ripoff at $20

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Can someone tell me which 3P Devastator this is? It's only $30

>>5945858
Looks like a knock off of TFC Hercules

>>5945858
It's a KO of TFCs Hercules. I think there's also one in yellow or orange.

>>5945838

There's a lot of repeats of the same character but with super diverse aesthetic deviation.

The two recent devastators are both super different but neither one is very G1 accurate, for example.

The one third party bruticus has QC issues and is super stylized.

No one has tried a G1 menasuar yet either.

>>5945872
Yeah, I did think he looked kind of ugly. It doesn't look that much like Devastator.
It's more than I thought at first. It's $30 but $21.59 for shipping. Still an okay deal if the quality is good, I guess. How much does a legit one go for these days?

Heres the link if anyone wants one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-quality-6-in-1-Transformation-Robot-Cars-Combine-Robot-Devastator-Boys-Toys-for-Birthday-Gift/32413029345.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.jKvX7d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10056_10065_10055_10068_10067_10054_10069_10059_418_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=0c5eb471-9acc-436f-8bfe-54e3bf169e85
There are a few other sellers that may have them slightly cheaper, though.

And dang, you guys really are elist as fuck.

>complains about CW Bruticus sticking out like a sore thumb on an MP shelf

Then why the fuck do you want a TFC Bruticus? Their style is trash and not matching MP in any way.

>>5945775
>>5945776

oh shit road ceasar?

>TFC

into the trash it goes

>no Menasor
What do you call these?
http://tfsource.com/fansproject/intimidator/
http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/01/transformmission-m-01-menasor-stunticons-indivi

>>5945937
Now, now, its just three robots they CAN'T mess that up right? RIGHT?!

>>5945943
Their stylized or IDW based.

>>5945956
It's TFC. It's already going to be bad. Plus, their combiners are Voyager sized. No thank you.

>>5945934

Do you not know how to reply to people?

Also, I don't want a TFC anything. I'd rather see Generation Toy, MMC, MT, or even TW give it a shot.

Also there's more to MP then just being G1 styled. There's a certain premium feel to it. It has a lot to do with weight, paint, fit and finish, etc. That just isn't delivered in a 20 dollar deluxe and certainty not when you stack a bunch of deluxes on top of each other.

>>5945979
GT is Warbotron so there's your MP bruticus.

>>5945995

I thought Transformission was GT.

What's the point of all this fucking rebranding anyway?

>>5946003

I thought some youtuber said Warbotron was never meant to be a company name, just the name of the Not-Bruticus.

>>5945979
The cartoon accuracy is the primary focus. If it's not there, it's not a Masterpiece.

>>5946003
Don't know about TFM but WB and GT are the same. Same styling and released a mini transformer kit with their combiners. Don't know about the name changes. Maybe to avoid paying taxes or something.

>>5946039

That's a super fresh opinion but I'd never display the mediocre Laserwave figure over the categorically superior Quakewave. Granted the difference is way closer for expensive official figures than it is between 100 dollar mainline combiners over 600 dollar combiners.

TL;DR I'd be quicker to call the Warbotron Bruticus an MP over the CW one merely because it's more of a premium product despite it's issues.

>>5946039

I dunno mang. MP sort of refers to both a scale that's sort of impossible to achieve and an aesthetic that even Takara deviates from.

Now you have CHUG figures in the MP scale and even the MP-esk figures are taking design liberties from the constantly shifting sunbow animation models.

>>5946059
Nobody would be calling anything from Generations MP.

Hasbro has hallow lightweight plastic. MPs feel heavier and solid.

Will Wei Jiang MPP-10 scale well with the upcoming Wei Jiang upscaled CW Defensor?

Considering that deluxe limbs become voyager, and Hot Spot is now leader class, which means former CHUG Leader should be upscaled to Wei Jiang MPP-10 29cm.

>>5946307
How could it scale with something that's not from the same continuity? If you're talking G1 Defensor scale, no, it'll be too small.

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Build Tyrant today - I'm happy to report that he's much less of a hassle than the previous two Warbo kits.

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>>5946383
Parts that might give you some shit are the bicep swivels and the shoulder transformation joints.

For the latter I had to widen the holes on them a decent amount, but it was nowhere near as bad as that Grimlock kit where almost nothing fit into anything.

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>>5946390
Transformation's a bit finicky but that's to be expected with a gun Megs at this scale, I think. With that said, it's still a cool process how some things relocate.

The gun mode is dead solid as well.

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>>5946395
The scope and barrel do partsform, but that seems to be pretty common.

I actually really like the look of the gun without them. Reminds me of a FNP or a Baby Browning or somethin'.

>>5946383
>>5946390
>>5946395
>>5946402


Would he fit into PE hands for CW combiners, or is he way too big for that?

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>>5946403
I didn't check that, but I don't think so, I believe he's meant to be held by Gravity Builder. Since I don't actually have a Gravity Builder, here's Hulkie trying to hold him.

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>>5946402
The translucent purple they used here is super nice.

Plastic in general on this guy is good. Most of the pieces are cast in a soft enough material so that nub removal is easy and causes little stressing.

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>>5946407
Forgot to get a pic of it, but you can remove the black part of the barrel if you want. Unfortunately there's no standard barrel attachment - that would've been a nice inclusion.

>>5946407

I haven't done a kit in years, but I'm sorely tempted to nab this guy and the lil' Warbotron Grimlock too. I'd probably have to buy some flush cutters and a modelling knife though...

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>>5946409
One more I think, here's a shot of the backpack.

>>5946037
I thought Warbotron was the name of the line

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>>5946412
>I'd probably have to buy some flush cutters and a modelling knife though
I'd certainly recommend them, especially a flat knife like pic related.

You'll probably want some sandpaper and/or files for the Grimlock kit though, unless some of them fit together better out of the gate than mine did.

>>5943665
>A lot of them will blanch at the idea of paying 100 dollars on a combiner limb but they're also the same people who bitch if a MP Lambor remold is more than 70 bucks.

because 100 x 4 = 400 + 200 = 600, which is more than 60. 70 is also more than 60, and both 70 and 60 are more than 40.

This is basic mathematics.

>>5946421

I'll have to check at the local Walmart next time I'm out I guess. Can't build kits without tools!

>>5943665
>A lot of them will blanch at the idea of paying 100 dollars on a combiner limb

To be fair, that is a lot of money for a hunk of plastic. I'm not going to pretend my big, hulking, shiny Feral Rex wasn't a huge waste of money, no matter how much I enjoy it's presence.

>>5946059
>I'd never display the mediocre Laserwave figure over the categorically superior Quakewave

but Laserwave actually looks like Shockwave and Quakewave does not. Besides, Laserwave is the patrician's choice since it costs more.

>>5946042
>Don't know about TFM but WB and GT are the same.
>>5946037
>I thought some youtuber said Warbotron was never meant to be a company name, just the name of the Not-Bruticus.
>>5946003
>What's the point of all this fucking rebranding anyway?

You have to understand, these companies are just a loose connection of design teams, and a lot of the people float from one team to the other.

>>5943686
>TFW it's the Ultra Magnus idea but done for Motor Master.
WHY HASN'T HASBRO OR TAKARA DONE THIS IDEA BEFORE IN A DECENT SIZE BEFORE?! Like MP 10 or something?

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>>5946383
>>5946390
>>5946395
>>5946402
>>5946405
>>5946407
>>5946409

How's the range of motion on the shoulders ? Looks pretty limited.

Hey Bobby looks at KFC Simba. He can actually do a decent review when he tries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBD4ZRBTvI

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Anybody got this guy? He's only $41 on ebay so I was considering it. I do love Blaster.

>>5944152
Can he be fanmoded into a tank?

>>5944175
The more greeble slender looking Megatron is popular since the MTMTE design.

>>5946923

Where is his spoiler, they still haven't show him with it on.

>>5946923
>MMC has given up : the figure

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KFC Simba seems pretty good according to bobo skelton. Does that mean that Xtransbots Scourge will be any good? I think they're the same company. I wan't a big ass Cyclonus.

>>5946923

Who is that? Hot rod or springer?

>>5946960
More Than Meets The Eye Rodimus.

>>5946968
I mean, I can tell that that's who it's supposed to be, but he's not any version that I'd want to have. I'll just keep hoping Maketoys takes a shot at him with their Manga Mech series.

>>5946958
I have yet to buy anything from XTB, but from what I know, you can probably expect a complex transformation with a few particularly odd bits.

I think build quality can be kinda hit or miss, but it seems to be okay generally. As with KFC, they've been improving.

>>5947149

>cucktroll

I cringe every time to be quite honest family.

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IN STOCK AT LONG LAST just shipped my loot

>>5947280

>Dinobots that are not dinosaurs.

>>5946923
wow that looks like shit
is MMC not doing well financially? that thing is embarrassing

>>5947333

Tarn pre-orders sold out in like two days, carnifex is highly anticipated, plus they have the dosh to remold the Jaeger mold a gorillian times. I think they're doing well.

>>5947360

James Rolf?

>>5947369
No, he says "eat a bowl of fuck"

>>5947348
then why does that Rodimus look so bad, its not even close to the comic source but its obvious thats what theyre trying for

>>5947377

I dunno. I don't read comics.

>>5947377

It'll probably look better painted/colored. But the lack of spoiler is a bit weird.

And MMC's probably one of the best off 3P's, unless they're literally setting fire to any money they make. I mean, shit Cynicus is now on it's what, 3rd run?

>>5947377
Blame the designer, that look has nothing to do with how MMC is doing as a company.

>>5947397
they need to fire that designer then

when will fansproject release monstructor?

>>5946749
Pretty okay, since they're different sculpts there are a couple differences though. You get 90 degrees out with the right, and almost that with the left. You'll bump into some stuff trying to put the arms forward and spread out with both as far as I can tell, but it depends. The left has some forward and back movement as well due to the transformation.

In general articulation is kinda limited, but that's not really a huge deal for me.

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>>5946923

I RECOGNIZE THOSE THIGH SWIVELS AND ELBOWS (actually I'm pretty sure Cyclonus, deaths head, and lockdown have the same sort of joints)

>>5947377

MMC is in a weird spot with designs. They were accurate during the Hearts of Steel stuff they did until Hexatron and Rex came about, then they were all about comic 'inspired' where the figure was 70% comic accurate with a twist thanks to Cassy Sark. Then came the DJD which are attempts to get close to comic accuracy again with Griffith. Now we're back to comic 'inspired' with the rest of the reformatted line and Overlord with Sark at the wheel again where everything has to be remolded into something else.

>>5947413

And now looking at it again its the same crotch shape and same collar too.

Cassy must be trying to make a base mold and attach shit to it to make it other characters.

Did Cassy shit

>>5947402
I almost wish they would, I've never been a fan of Sark's designs for the most part. The way he does greebles is just unappealing to me, but I dig most everything else.

>>5947413
>>5947417
This is so fucking ugly and doesnt look like either Tarn or Rodimus, That crotch and those thighs don't look like anyone, they need to quit trying to force them into use.

>>5947413

So why are they flipflopping so much? Internal power struggle?

I like their designs either way so far, I own more MMC shit than anything else, but this whole thing does have me curious whats going on.

What third party figure is this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/No-retail-box-34cm-tall-new-design-metal-part-Bruticus-figure/32615902916.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.154.1kpyoW&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10056_10065_10055_10068_10067_10054_10069_10059_9915_10073_10017_10070_10060_10061_10052_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=d9ccd21a-f87e-4f61-a933-9679614728f7

>>5947445

That looks original, though it's priced like a KO.

Dunno. Be careful blowing money on stuff like that.

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>GT named the clear Megs "Megasorry"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebB2lX891ok After watching this all I can say is wow.

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>>5947331
>What are Dynobots

>>5947413
The problem is that MMC isn't really a big company money wise but they want to become one by becoming the way to go for one specific type of figures (like FT is usually considered the way to go for MPs by so many that they're one of the richest 3P out there) and they can't find their niche. Either their products don't interest much people or tons of alternatives always appear to eat their potential profit up.

>>5948346
people are begging them for more IDW and mtmte accurate figures though, theres posts on their facebook for more comic accurate Whirl and Rodimus figures instead of the ones theyre doing
if they were smart they'd jump on that and make that their niche like they did with the DJD

>>5948355

Honestly, that would be a good niche for them to fill. Although trying to make figures of some IDW characters must be a huge pain in the ass.

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>>5948387
Not the anon you replied to but I just want a Pharma.

Wotafa has Carnifex up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSnOnQXGhG8

>>5948416
Well well well, the legs are nice and tight on the actual production figures everyone will be getting. Looks like that faggot that kept posting the legs falling off the old busted factory sample can fuck off now.

>>5948426
Didn't help that a bunch of the idiots that touted that as a mark against Carnifex didn't even know that he was basically a Duocon.

>>5947406
They need to actually finish Dinoking first, I imagine.

>>5948416
Looks really nice. I think I'm still going to wait. I don't have the money right now, for one, plus I'd like to know what HasTak's Overlord is before I buy anything. I might end up getting both (one IDW, one Masterforce). I've also fallen a bit out of love of IDW Overlord since his pointless appearance in the last MTMTE arc. Either way, he doesn't seem to have sold out like Tarn did, so I'm imagining he will be easier to get down the road.

>>5948387
I think it'd be a great niche, assuming it's actually profitable. I don't actually know how many people will buy a "classics" Pharma compared to MP Dinobots. I assume the big money must be in MP as so many companies are focused there. Although that might just be a function of China having gotten G1 (one of the first Western kids shows to make it in, IIRC) compared to a smaller market of Chinese getting the IDW comics.

>>5948459
I forgot to say that I might also wait out MMC to see if they make a more Masterforce redeco/remold down the road.

I'm interest in 3rd part Snarl and Slag
Which versions should I consider?

>>5948464

That's pretty excessive remolding. Mf overlord looks like a brick compared to carnifex.

>>5948426
>>5948429

Don't summon autism kun.

>>5948355

Yeah, no. The comic designs sell like shit. They do super limited releases to make it look like they are in demand. Why do you think Make Toys folded their manga figures?

>>5948459
I wonder how hard it'll be to get Tarn. Missed out on the preorders and I'm not sure if I trust those $10 deposit sites.

So, there are a LOT of third party Dinobots out now.

Is there a classification as to which represents each character the best? Barring Planet X since those are representing different designs.

>>5948570
I'm not expecting a total overhaul to make him 100% Masterforce, just maybe a new head, the Godmasters, and maybe a few key panels (like the shins) changed.

>>5948786
Just off the top of my head:

Planet X - pretty faithful to the FOC
Fansproject - original designs, not really accurate to anything, although their Snarl is much more G1 than the rest

Both of those are also classics-ish scale, whereas the rest are MP.

Fanstoys are all pretty damn accurate. However, they seem like they might be redoing (some of) them in the Perfect Fusion line, where the PF Slag is much more cartoon-accurate than FT's.

Gigapower are going for a bit more toy-oriented look, imo. Their stuff is also a fraction larger, so it may suit your scaling desires better.

There's at least two others who are classics-ish in scale, but also combiners, with the pros and cons of that. I don't really follow them closely, so I don't know about their quality (I seem to have heard some bad news).


TL;DR
Planet X for FOC
FP for classics "reedun" original designs
Fanstoys/Perfect Fusion or Gigapower for MP depending on your own tastes.

>>5948736
Cynicus has had three issues of the normal color, one in a con exclusive color, Anarchus had to have one reissue and Kultur sold out on all American sites within a few hours and is even sold out at Planet Steel Express now. Make Toys first release of Trash Take sold ok, and then their second figure Rear-End sold out at BBTS ans a few other places until it got a reissue.
So no they're selling fine, I don't know what you're trying to pull. And if Make Toys really did discontinue their Manga Mech series there were other reasons besides 'it didn't sell well' because they sold fine compared to most 3rd party stuff.

>>5948786
FT+PF

>>5948827
Doesn't mean shit unless you know how many were produced.

>>5948827
I think MMC is just being smart and making multiple, smaller runs. Technically, it's a little more profitable to make one larger run, but making more than sell and having them languish after is much, much worse in general.

Honestly, it's not really an issue as long as them keep reissuing them. If we'd only gotten that one run of Vos ever and that was it, it'd be different.

>>5948839
How do we find out how many were produced then?

>>5948841

They've stated the sales of the first three and dictate how many of the big boys they will make. I think going with multiple smaller runs part of that.

>>5949115

I don't know how many people care about him but I was in on carnifex the moment I saw him. Even if HasTak comes through with one it's going to be hollow as fuck and be riddled with compromises for the base gimmick.

>>5949108

Could you please stop feeding the troll? You're contributing to the garbage.

>>5949128
>implying that is two people posting

Report and/or ignore.

>>5949130

Why would someone endlessly argue with themselves. Isn't the point to bait some replies?

>>5949138
To bait "why don't you two shut up" posts.

Like the ones we're making right now. Fuck.

>>5949146

What prototypes from the most recent ching chong show are you the most excited about?

I'm definitely in for the GT megs and Optimus. Probably apocalypse too. I'm also excited about the master made bust for their metroplex figure cause that means that Skorponok will definitely get one too.

>>5949128
>implying he isn't trolling as well

>>5949153
>I'm also excited about the master made bust for their metroplex figure

This and MMC's Whirl and Hotrod. I really like the MM Metro, but holy fuck the head is TOO big even for a superdeformed character. It'll be a thousand times better looking with a proportionate head.

>>5949153
I'm really interested to see how TFC's Road Caesar works out. It's a unique combination scheme that is a bit of a challenge to modernize.

so is there any possibility that someone else will try their hand at Impactor? I mean spartan's robot mode is great but I'm not really digging the kawaii SD duck tank he turns into.

>>5949202

At some point probably. He's still in the comics.

I'm waiting for a Spartan reissue at this point, I missed him.

>>5948416

Looks good, but flying tankplane and the base mode are just hilariously worthless looking. The base mods on official Leaders are better. Then again I doubt they were the intent or point of the toy, and robot/tank/jet modes all look good.

>>5949232
The base mode is definitely just a bonus for sure.

>>5949288

Definitely. It's nice it's there, it certainly didn't have to be, given that this is based off IDW Overlord who definitely doesn't have a base mode. It probably wouldn't look bad if it had real ramps connecting the leg halves to the main part, instead of those twiggy, thin plastic bits.

>>5949232

I'm glad they didn't bother actually engineering a decent base mode cause then carnifex would probably be boxy and suffer as a result of compromise.

All the HasTak toys that have the base gimmick are kinda square looking.

>>5949335

I wouldn't mind boxyness. To me thats how Transformers generally "look". But then again I grew up with G1.

I really like the HasTak base stuff too, or at least Blaster anyway, since he's the only one I own.

>>5949335
Which I think will be fine on a Masterforce-style Overlord, which is probably what HasTak are doing.

>>5949340

I can respect that. It's like taking the new tf blaster/soundwave mold and comparing it's proportions to the mp you can see how THICC he needs to be to open up to be a playset.

It's just not quite to my taste. I'm not sure why everything is a base and headmaster now but whatever. Anything is better than more fucking combiners.

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Which IDW lockdown is this based on?
This is the MMC Jaegertron

Excuse my ignorance about third party, but it seems like s lot of it is in masterpiece scale/expansions for first party figures/quite expensive. Are there affordable full releases that are about the size of deluxe or voyager figures?

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>>5949478
It's a mix of Lockdowns. He can do the hookhand and gun face, turns into a ship that vaguely resembles his animated ship and comes with Drift like swords, plus a bunch of weapons in a little locker to swap from to resemble his collection.

IDW Lockdown is a less movieverse version of his HFTD toy.

>>5949488
There are, but the market moved to MP-scale being the major one about 1-3 years ago.

Anything IDW comics based is classics scale. Anything by Fansproject or MMC will likely be at that scale too. Most of the combiners are somewhere in that ball park too.

>>5948746
He'll no doubt get another run sooner or later.

Ordered an MPP10B a few days ago. What am I in for?

>>5949724
A black mp10?

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I just ordered this. It was TOO CHEAP to pass up when all this 3P stuff is so damn expensive. Does anyone have him? Is he any good? I got the ugly color because it was cheap. The yellow ones are like $9.99. Clearly nobody wants these but they are so cheap.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=ITC10037&mode=retail

>>5949478
it's not. He's a mixed bag of more or less every lockdown character made. basically he is

>Lockdown: Cassie Stark Edition

>>5950068
Anon, they were the last thing Impossible toys did. There's a reason why they've been on in stock and on a growing clearance price for nearly two years.

You basically bought a KO, oversized G1 Minibot with an attempt to give it more articulation and a new face on it's head flap. Plastic wise it's probably the best you're going to get from that company, but it's not really saying much.

It makes for a cheap desk toy, just don't expect too much from it. Or for it to really blend in with any other line.

>>5950177
I bought Goldbug, Tapper (teal and gray right?), and Glyph when they were like $2 on bbts. They're pretty shitty, but a little endearing maybe? They have some charm and could have been decent if they weren't so obviously half-assed.

If HasTak gave us the same variety with the new TR Bumblebee mold, that would be pretty sweet though.

>>5950193

Really? $2? When were they that cheap. They're at 3.99-4.99 now. How did you get them for $2?

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I just got this upgrade kit coming in the mail. Anyone know much about it? I wasn't given a company name or anything of the like. Just that it was under $20 and it had good reviews. Anyone recognize it? Is it a KO of the other upgrade kits for him?

>>5950229
They had some open ones that just came bagged. Maybe it was $3. Whatever the price it was like "sure, why the fuck not?"

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>>5943416
Didn't see this up here but Planet X has posted some galleries of Mors (not-Starscream) and Jupiter (not-Optimus) up on their Facebook page. I'd link the galleries, but 4chan is flagging it as spam.

>>5950494
These look cool. Too bad they're years too late to ride the WFC/FOC hype.

>>5950504
It's a shame IDW got away from using these designs for the Cybertronian modes of the characters. That gave the designs a bit more life. Hell, Ironhide is still using that body (I wish PX would make him already).

It's a real shame High Moon died the way it did, I'd have loved more from them. Devastation is okay, but it's not to my own preferences the way WfC/FoC was.

>>5950510

Thats the fate of anything tied to Activision, honestly.

I'm happy they keep using the WFC/FoC designs though, they were pretty good.

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>>5950504
I would still recommend at least picking up Vulcun. He's an incredibly solid figure and a blast to pose. Everything a Dinobot should be.

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Who is this, family?

>>5950821
I believe it's Contactshot w/ Targetwarrior

but I could be mistaken

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>>5950824

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>>5950821
It's Pointblank. Targetmaster from G1.

Glad to see MT's RM line take on something other than headmasters.

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It's nice they're releasing the hands for Metroplex too. Hopefully someone actually makes transforming hands for both of them though. They don't even need to transform into anything going in particular, just not look like curled over hands.

>>5946383
what 3P Figure is this one??

>>5950988

Generation Toy Tyrant

>>5950948

I hope they do good on their bludgeon figure.

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For all the crap Nonnef gets, these TR Hardhead upgrade feet are pretty well engineered

>>5951202
I didn't know this was a thing. Is he doing more TR stuff?

>>5951214
No idea, if he is I can't find information about it.

Supposidely the remaining CW stuff was cancelled. Shame since I was looking forward to those Ratchet and Ironhide chest pieces

>>5951221

Yep. Even with his shipping problems, those would have been must buys for me.

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I really can't recommend these things enough, they make Hardhead twice as great poseability wise, even without a waist swivel.

>>5951202
WHERE ARE THE TRIVIAS NONNEF

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Holy shit. Griffith is a fucking hero.

http://www.mmc-hub.com/carnifex-a-behind-the-scenes-story/

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>>5951294

>>5951294
I'm not a fan of Griffith but why the fuck don't they just fire CassySark and work only with Griffith? Seriously, Cassy NEVER did a single good looking figure.

>>5950948
Who will carry this? Definitely wanna pick that up because the regular Metroplex hands are lacking.

>>5951294
If only Griffith had reworked Kultur before he was released, I still feel like he's not as nicely finished off as Cycnicus and Anarchus.

>>5951344

Maybe they work well together, who knows.

>>5951385
Up for preorder on BBTS, so probably everywhere will carry it.

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>>5951294

>that face
>even more fucking ridges
>that gun
>that fucking buzzsaw thing

but most importantly

>those torso proportions

holy fucking christ

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>>5951297

I cannot unsee this.

>>5951396
Thanks, will go preorder it now.

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>>5951392

He did tho. The new design is all his.

>>5946840
That toy is great but for that price you will get two deformed heads. comic style head will have a scar on the check and the other a crooked chin. at least you can shave it easily with a modeling knife.

>>5951427
Its by a guy in China though, not Griffith? http://byrin.deviantart.com/art/Tarn-554500119
I was still saying Griffith should go over it though.

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>>5951427
The funny thing about Tarn's mask is that if you draw/model it as the Decepticon symbol, it never looks right.

But if you draw/model it with the inspiration of an angry owl, it looks perfect.

>>5951733
It's not an outright Decepticon symbol, of course it'd look wrong.

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got a question for you guys. I'm on the fence about getting a Hexatron or a Commotus. I like the look of both, and I especially like commotus's tank mode. But I feel like my latest TF figures haven't been all that interesting to transform which I think hexatron would solve.

Is there one you would recommend over the other? If you have both which do you like playing with and posing more?

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>>5951912

Why not both?

As for playing and posing, I honestly like them both for different reasons. I do tend to keep Commotus in tank mode more often, because I bought him mostly because I loved Metal Slug. Sixshot is a bit harder to pose with other 'bots because he's just plain tall.

>>5951733
That does look a bit like Tarn's face, pretty funny.

>>5951202
>>5951249
How long did it actually take between order and delivery?

>>5952381
Took about a week I think for me to get MP 10's baby blues.

>>5952381
>>5952389
>$11.74 for upgrades to a figure I paid $12 for
Ah, I remember this feeling.

>>5952015
I was hoping to get both eventually but if I could only get one I would want one that did robot, transforming, and alt mode particularly well.

But thanks! Seeing them both together makes buying both tempting!

>>5951202
>>5951249
I hope you're proud. I bought these just because of your pictures.

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>>5952513

Well, Hexatron has six modes. But as with any multi-mode changer, some are going to be weaker than others. And the more modes, the more weird stuff you'll get in those modes. That said, Hexatron is pretty much the gold standard for a 3P figure still. Big, solid, poseable, etc. And I guess it all depends how much you like his various alt modes.

Not to say Commotus is bad, he isn't. But if I had to choose, I'd go with Hexatron over Commotus, and I did: Hexatron I've owned for months, while Commotus I've had for just two months. But I also owned Sixshot's G1 toy as a kid, and still own it, so he had more nostalgia going for him than Commotus.

I think they're both worth owning though.

Most common complaints I hear about them, just so I'm not blowing sunshine up anyones ass, is usually Hexatron's aesthetics and Commotus just being a big, fat block of black plastic. Which he is. Hope your display areas aren't dark, or he will literally blend into them. Oh, and my Hexatron came new in box without his guns. I was sent free replacements, and obviously that isn't the norm, but just putting that out there.

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>>5951202

I don't know why Hasbro and Takara can't whip up some ball jointed feet on the shit they're putting out now. It's not like it increases the part count or anything. It's like they're making an effort not to include ankle rockers where they can. It breaths life into the toy.

>>5952565
with current QC level I wouldn't want ball joint ankles at all
Imagine the joints being all LOOSE and easy to fall off

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>>5952563
>Commotus just being a big, fat block of black plastic.
That was my biggest complaint.
I filled in some of the detail lines with blue and it helps a lot though.

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>>5952859

>>5952859

That looks good. I don't really mind him being so dark, given who he's a figure of, but yeah a bit more blue paint would've been nice.

What'd you use to do that?

>>5952861
Tamiya sky blue.

>>5952565
The most I can say about Hardhead's Nonnef feet is that they don't fold in for the tank mode, which might have been Hasbro's priority. You can make them feel less conspicuous by turning them inward in tank mode, and really the added stability and articulation is very much worth it.

>>5951912

Get both!

I want Hexatron but Commotus is awesome.

Great alt mode and a cool transformation.

It was my first 3P figure and I adore it. I dont mind it being all black because its a damn good model that catches the light lovely.

I'm hoping their Overlord is as good a figure desu!

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I can get MS Granville for about $50 and I'm really considering it. I know he's not the most well-received but Megs, but I actually like the design and appreciate all the accessories. Any major known QC issues?

>>5953279
I've only seen Bobo Skellingtonfeatures' review but he's pretty bad. Paint applied badly (like "orange peel" badly), mushy sculpting and loose joints everywhere. Also the tank mode doesn't hold together at all.

>>5953279

Seems excessive >>5953388
the only accurate thing here is the tank mode is kinda 'eh'. Only issues I had was one of the shoulders being floppy until I tightened up the joint then it was fine. The real issue I found was that he fits awkwardly into a collection if you're worried about CHUG scale and matching with most Optimus toys, he'll be a little bit shorter.

would you?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112152489132

>>5953625
>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112152489132

No. That paint scheme can work but I don't care for how its applied here, or what its applied to. Probably a KO anyway.

>>5952563
Thanks a ton man. I'm hoping for both. I like hexatron's look and most of his ult modes. The wolf is a little weak for me.

>>5952859
That looks really nice. Maybe I feel he is too dark I can do something similar.

>>5953651
>The wolf is a little weak for me.

A lot of people say it is, and it probably is, but I really like robot animal designs.

Personally I always thought the weakest mode was the gun. If only because it's basically just the space ship with the wings folded down to form a handle. But thats how the original toy did it more or less too (and even in fiction thats basically what it's always been), so it's not like you can fault them for that.

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>>5953651
>wolf is a little weak for me

But you're wrong

>>5953865
Who's that in the foreground?

>>5953884
Stamper
Came with titan Metroplex

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>>5953651
You also have other wolf options.

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Got some new pics of TFC's Road Caesar.

Look at how tiny that little dude is.

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I'm really hoping this turns out good, either way they know how to make a nice looking robot.

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>>5953894
>white poly's
>SDCC(?) Megaman X

Every time I see your pics Anon I get jealous.

>>5953621
Listen to this guy.

I've got him and I really like him for what he is and I think $50 is a pretty fair price for him.

He's got a few floppy joints on mine but they either can be fixed by tightening screws or they don't really matter (mine has one floppy toe piece that droops if the foot is suspended but lays flat when he's standing and doesn't affect his stability). He makes a great display piece and poses well, you just have to be mindful of his backpack pieces as they aren't really solidly attached and are easily knocked out. Those are also a little floppy which is probably the worst part but it still doesn't affect the aesthetic much.

While he makes a fantastic display piece, he's unfortunately not that great of a toy. Transformation isn't necessarily difficult, it just isn't fun, and the alt mode you get for the process is fairly weak. I can't fault the alt mode design because it IS accurate to the source material but it does also suffer from a bit of floppiness in the turret. It causes it to droop slightly. Otherwise, I have had no problems at all with the alt mode holding together. It's just not a great alt mode.

And yeah, scale could be another issue. Aesthetically, he fits in great with CHUG figures but he is just a hair shorter than Classics Optimus. It's not terribly noticeable unless you have them both standing in a static pose next to each other but it's still a turn-off to some.

Still, overall, I like him. I'm a bit sad that the company went under because their Blaster was actually not that bad either and I was looking forward to their Soundwave. I think they really could have been a great company if given the opportunity to learn from mistakes rather than suffer for them.

>>5954083

tbf mostTF fans and the third party market in general are tempestuous little cunts from my experience

I'm surprised any of these guys stay open for business

>>5953921
I just hope that they give Road Caesar and the other two members actual face sculpts sunce Laster was the only one in the show with a facemask.

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Just ordered the full set of theae guys after watching Bobby Skullface's reviews.

Anything I should be aware of?

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Time to shit up the thread! Taking bets now.

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Noice!

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This presentation is dead sexy.

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What a great first impression. This thing is mechanically perfect. Zero tolerance issues. Zero fiddling. Master made is sure as shit a fitting description.

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Can't forget "Optimal Prime" here.

>>5954320
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>>5954325

Fuuuuck I want one. I'm gonna order one soon, just hoping places get the bust in soon so I CAN order one without having to pay shipping twice.

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>>5954349

He's the closest thing to a perfect figure I have. I have to try real hard to find something to bitch about.

Can't recommend him enough. I'm glad the folks in the thread convinced me to go forward and give mm a chance. Even the proportions don't bother me as much as I thought.

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Can't forget the murder hands!

>>5954358

Yeah he looks really good. His proportions are good too, because normally Omega is this fuckhuge brick with an ultra tiny head, so when they superdeform him and give him a giant head, it actually ends up looking normal.

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He's predictably short and thick. I didn't expect him to be nearly as heavy as he is. Those big yellow feet of his are all metal.

Also these ratchets are ridiculously strong yet not scary at all to manipulate.

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Also; hammer.

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That's all I got for ya. He's a 10/10.

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Nevermind. One more.

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>>5954373
couldn't resist.

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>>5954437

I had a giggle.

>>5954280
Vulcun's tail section can be a little tricky to transform. I'd recommend checking out some reviews on him to get an idea of how to do it properly.

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>>5954437
>with out spelling errors

>>5954419
Dammit, I'm gonna have to get this guy and his extra head aren't are? There's another $150. .-.

>>5954325
>This presentation is dead sexy.
>dead sexy

Dammit I heard it in Fat Bastard's voice even after all these years, but very nice haul you got there.

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>>5954451
Yea, I was aware of the clearance issues for their Grimlock. Like I said, I watched a couple of reviews and from what I gather:
>Sludge is solid as hell
>Swoop is small with a simple transformation, but it works
>Grimlock is a good figure with the only downside being the dino tail/bot leg clearance issue
>Slag's transformation is pretty complex, but both modes are pretty solid once transformed
>Snarl is pretty fragile due to Planet X sticking so close to the game design

I like the way they all look, but Snarl is the figure that worries me the most. I probably would have skipped him, because I've read he had a lot of QC issues. But he's part of the team, so I can't NOT get him. Plus, I think they'll go nicely with my Iron Factory Ashura Knights.

Just wanted to know if there was anything in any of the figures in particular that I should keep an eye out for.

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>>5954547

Snarl is the one you don't want to take a tumble with all that thin translucent plastic. I'm more scared of storing him properly though. His biggest weakness is the hip ratchets and loose feet balljoints. Second version is apperently a lot better though, but you don't know which one you got. His elbows and hand sliders are also oddly designed for a figure of that scale. They feel rushed and not well thought out. Like the parts count went into the spine and they have to make do with simplifying the arms. The rear legs don't do much at all so there isn't really any other excuse for it.

Sludge really should have the Paddles neck, neck transformation and head size IMO, but that nigga is built like a fucking tank. Everything that is important is on super strong ratchets, and he needs them to stand thanks due how swole the top half is. Use the dino legs as heels when you fold them in to the calves and he won't go anywhere. You can pretty much shake him and nothing will go anywhere. He's my favorite of the crew.

Swoop needed more locking bits, ankle tilts, and wrist swivels to get the most out of him. Wish his wings could do what the game did with them while also beefing up his frame. He's the weakest, but not awful.

Grimlock is king because of his Dino mode. Like his robot mode is fucking great with the proper bulk and weapon sizes that the Generations toy couldn't deliver, but the Dino mode is glorious. By far the best grimlock at a non MP scale. Bar none.

Slag is second best next to Grimlock in the bells and whistles department. Solid looking and functional beast mode, extremely clean robot mode. He does look awkward in some angles from photos, but it isn't bad at all in person. Really wish the rest were made with the same care as him and Grimlock.

Also to note: Paddles is floppy and not well thought out. They really screwed the pooch when Sludge was so damn solid.

Also you'll get a fuckton of weapons. Having all of the regular 5 nets you an arsenal.

>>5954565
Which figure is that on the right?

>>5954565
Thanks for the info man, that's really what I was looking for.

Snarl being so fragile is a real bummer, since aesthetically, I think he looks the best. I'm hoping I get the 2nd run of the figure (I'm assuming I will since I'm ordering them so late after release), but like you said, you never know.

I'm also a little disappointed about the lack of ankle rockers and especially wrist swivels for Swoop. One thing I'm curious about, though, is if he wings can fold in half while he's in robot mode (like his G1 toy did).

Also, I didn't even bother with Paddles. I saw a review of him and he looked like garbage. Plus, he's not an original member of the Dinobots, so I didn't feel bad getting him. I WILL get those female Dinobots that Fansproject is making. They look like they'll go well with the Planet X dinos. And as a bonus, they'll also piss off the SJW's. Seriously, you should see the shit storm going on at TFW about it.

>>5954591
>Seriously, you should see the shit storm going on at TFW about it.

Post choice pics of it, I don't want to go there and risk catching autism.

>>5951249
Ankles are what always separates a good toy from a great toy. I just don't like the look of those at all. Looks like he's got such scrawny ankles.

>>5954591

>I saw a picture of a plastic toy of an alien robot that had tits and was literally third party raped right there

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>>5954587

Maketoys Rearend, or comic Tailgate. Fun little bot designed by the guy doing the Machine Robo revival line. You have to get him with a shitty upgrade pack for classics Cylconus though.

>>5954626
He looks pretty fun for a small figure, how is his articulation?

>>5954709

The only thing you don't get is double jointed elbows.

What would you say is an absolute Must Have third party?

[spoiler]Which ones would you say are the best Constructicons?[/spoiler]

>>5955012
>What would you say is an absolute Must Have third party?

MMC's Hexatron. Gold standard of 3P stuff, everyone recommends it, etc. Basically a super solid choice you can't go wrong with unless you don't like the aesthetic or just don't care about Sixshot.

MMC's Feral Rex if you can swing the huge amount of dosh on a pile of plastic and like Predaking enough to do that.

Pretty much any of the Iron Factory figures except maybe Not-Blitzwing, and only because he's got some pegging together troubles.

Maketoys Despotron

Cloud9's Quakeblast

>Which ones would you say are the best Constructicons?

The Takara UW box set. Since their Devy actually looks like Devy. But if you've gotta have a 3P one, I dunno.

>>5955035
>MMC's Feral Rex if you can swing the huge amount of dosh on a pile of plastic and like Predaking enough to do that.
>Pretty much any of the Iron Factory figures except maybe Not-Blitzwing, and only because he's got some pegging together troubles.
>Maketoys Despotron
>The Takara UW box set. Since their Devy actually looks like Devy. But if you've gotta have a 3P one, I dunno.

These are falsehoods

>>5953894

...A-are they making babies?

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