EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55400196
>How important is tutoring to you? How many tutors do you usually run (in a given color combination), and which ones are they in each color?
its not really important but i always run at least 1 or 2 in each deck just to make sure i can get a card if i really need it

>>55400196
>thread question
i usually run about an average of 5 whatever number just as filler for my deck
>in blue I always run Wizard Cycling

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Give me all your giant rattlesnake/nuclear deterrent cards, such as Aetherflux Reservoir, Tree of Perdition and pic related!

>>55400196
Not a fan. I run basic land tutors and I have love affair with niche tutors like Time of Need or Supply // Demand.

Otherwise, games feel too samey. Then again, same is true if you draw half your deck every game so it is pretty arbitrary.

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>>55400240

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>>55400240
Man, I hate hostage taker cards. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for you, there aren't a lot that just crush someone if they dare upset you.

Stuff like this could kind of count, I guess.

Pretty new to EDH. Looking for some feedback:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mirri-taxes-1/

>>55400343
put in more ramp and one or two more board wipes

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>>55400240
My favorite boy, real fun with a damage doubler, not a real deterrent though, because if I'm playing him I'm giving him haste and tapping him come hell or high water.

>>55400196
>How important is tutoring to you? How many tutors do you usually run (in a given color combination), and which ones are they in each color?
I like running more toolbox tutors
ive grown really sick of cEDH recently and while tutors arent the reason, they probably add to the reason I dont play my Jace deck anymore

>>55400292
archon of justice isnt a good card
unless you play it in a birthing pod style deck
then its incredible
yes I will exile a perm and get a sun titan for 2 mana (or 1 mana and 2 life)

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>>55400240

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Meet my wife.

I've been working on a Zegana list filled with clones.

Clones are cool, but now they can also be draw spells! Sometimes drawing 30 cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zegana-clones-v2/

>>55400504
shes pretty qt
will make stronk boys
not as good in bed as you might think
muscle girls rarely are :(
kill me

>>55400343
Add 1 more card it says you are at 99
Make sure you have 8-10 ramp effects that cost 3 or less. A cursory look by me counted 3 (Cultivate, Kodama's, and Ring) though I might have missed a dork or something. Here are some suggestions. I would say suggestions that won't break the bank but you've got a 400+ build with swords, you can afford the good stuff.

Selesnya Signet
Coldsteel Heart
Thought Prism
Mind Stone
Marble Diamond
Moss Diamond
Mana Vault $
Grim Monolith $$$
Mana Crypt $$$

Don't Run lands that ETB tapped if you can avoid it. Ditch the gain 1 lands for your Painland and City of Brass, at the very least.

Maybe save a little room for that Ixalan artifact that becomes a Maze of Ith, Maze is really good with Mirri as you've already gotten.

You could probably do to take a couple more wipes. You don't want the board to be TOO insane, because then you're flat if Mirri's protection bites it.

Consider ways to get Mirri tapped without her dying horribly to blockers. Maze of Ith untaps her, so you'll be unprotected. Throw a Paradise Mantle into the ramp package, maybe a little Convoke (Sprout Swarm is nice). oh, and ROGUE'S PASSAGE. I know it only taps for colorless but getting an unblockable enabler on the least futzed with permanent type is really good for her.

>>55400504
Is that a fucking biceps piercing?

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>>55400240
I wonder if every card with mark tedin artwork is decent to great.

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>>55400504
Meet my wife.

>>55400549
Shut up, Ixidor.

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>>55400549
meet my wife, elfen uber alles.

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>>55400547
No.

>>55400371
What would you suggest taking out to replace with ramp?
>>55400526
The 1 card I'm missing is the reserved space for the Ixalan artifact you reference. Tapped out didn't have it as an option when I last checked. I agree with your other suggestions. I'm just having a hard time cutting cards out for more ramp.

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>>55400566
>elfen uber alles
feels good man
also meet my wife

and ive seen a bunch of you guys who claim her as a waifu
i talked to her last night
she said she never even met any of you fuckbois before
and then we totally banged

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>>55400566
Meet my wife.

>>55400646
>the eldrazi invade equestria
I want this set

>>55400579
>Tapped out didn't have it as an option when I last checked
"Skip Validation" is your friend.

For cuts...

Are you really going wide enough for Voice of Resurgence? I don't see much of a token package otherwise (though the more I look, the more I think it's just subtle)

Are you hitting the "Gain life" button enough to justify Archangel of Thune?

Cast Out is fairly shitty removal. Generally, I'd want the O-ring or just to wrath, and your deck is poised to handle creature threats pretty well with mirri and maze

Glare of Subdual is kind of funky because you generally want to swing away. You can't tap a creature to stop it once it's actually been declared an attacker.

Only one of your lands doesn't produce mana (Maze of Ith). You could probably chuck two basics for two ramp cards but that would be the last move for fine tinkering. I swear by 35 mana-producing lands to at least 10 good ramp.

FlipGideon's backside is not very good for you. His +2 ability has bad dissynergy with your pillow fort effects since your opponent can decline to pay. Meanwhile his +1 is kinda nice interference running, but there are better options. Becoming an invincible 4/4 is also a kinda lame payoff. So you could cut Kytheon.

>>55400646
If she gets big enough, can we invade HER?

>>55400579
id probably drop a land or 2 because you are in green and will be able to reliably get your basics. id consider getting rid of sphere of safety as you dont have many enchantments and it will only keep your safe in the very early game since this is commander and having a billion mana is common. for ramp i would add rampant growth, command sphere (mostly for the card draw aspect later), explosive vegetation, or some similar stuff. as for a board wipe there are many to choose from but my personal fave that you dont have is fumigate because its cheap and the life gain is very welcomed the later the game goes. also this is just me but i would take out the flip gideon, was never a fan of that card. id also put in a heroic intervention if you can find the room

i know that's more than just ramp but now that i look at your list a little more id change more things

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when this card gets triggered does it tap all the other lands for mana or does it tap them without producing mana?

>>55400712
>>55400717
Thank you both for the suggestions and time to type up your responses. I'll take a crack at some edits to the deck shortly. Are they're any big/important cards for my strategy I may have overlooked?

>>55400770
It would tap them without producing mana when the ability resolves, but the affected player can just tap their other lands before the ability resolves and get the mana anyway.

If you were hoping it could somehow make an opponent only ever get to produce one mana, you'd have to be playing against a complete moron.

>>55400770
When it gets triggered your opponent can choose to tap them all for mana as they'll have priority before it resolves. When it resolves they'll all tap for no mana.

>>55400770
If the ability resolves, no mana will be produced, but the player can tap the lands to be hit for mana first

>>55400779
hey sorry i forgot one more card id add if you can find the room. put in rishkars expertise, its a REALLY good card in pretty much any green deck. can draw you like 3 cards then drop a sword or hammer of nazhan or whatever

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Alright, this didn't get any traction last thread, but it is worth trying again. Any of y'all wanna give me some feedback on my Chandra.dec? It is garbage for obvious reasons (being a burn deck with no combos in EDH, being a red deck that isn't secretly monobrown, etc.) but I am curious to see if y'all have any good cards on theme that I missed? I've won games with it in my meta, so power level isn't too big of a concern.

I'd really appreciate y'all having a look. I got myself an Ugin for the deck to help clear Enchantments and for the one or two planeswalkers matters cards so I need to slot that in.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chandra-09032017/

I want

Fun
Spicy
tap effects

in esper

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>>55401015
As in activated abilities with the tap symbol or abilities that twiddle or care about tapping?

You building Merieke?

>>55401053
Yup. Got all of the decent inspired cards, looking for other jank

Stuff like triad of the fates, xathrid gorgon, anything with fun tap effects. My playgroup is pretty casual

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>>55401015

>>55401139
Sick. Okay, let me find my random awful Grimgrin twiddle list.

Never built this IRL, but here ya go. It has plenty of jank. My fave is using Orb of Dreams and Amulet of Vigor to make the world's most inspired Kismet.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-09-14-twiddle/

Kind of old and was UB, so worth looking into White exert for example.

>>55401015
>anon are you alright? let me hold you honey...

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>>55401415
>>55401015

>>55401141
>jace
>femme fatale
is there something about jace they arent telling us?

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to filter or not to filter?

>>55401696
Wooded bastion is strictly better in GW and most Naya/Abzan decks.

>>55401696
How many cards in the colors do you have that have double mana symbols of the same color?

>>55401837
>>55401696
probably should have clarified i dont mean for GW specifically just in general what people thought of filterlands either cycle

Is Fatal Push any good in EDH?

I pulled one the other day and was wondering if it's a good kill spell in the format.

>>55401864
>specifically just in general what people thought of filterlands either cycle

An absolute lifesaver in some situations. I have a Naya deck that I have all three Lorwyn filters in and they've saved my ass and been the only source of either red, green, or white mana on occasion and I've got a super good mana base with revised duals in it.

>>55401983
Not really, no.

>>55401983
It's good in Modern because you're running 4-8 fetches in a 60 card deck to turn on Revolt and there are very few decks that curve above 4. If that's your meta then it's good, if not there are better.

>>55401983
Eeh? As spot removal goes it's not terrible, but it would seldom if ever be my first call. I think Tragic Slip is better in EDH. Slip hits real fat when it's 'on' and denies regeneration and indestructible

>>55401696
They're so fucking expensive. I want them but fuck me, man.

I just want to run Kozilek. Fuck.

>>55402028
>>55402045
>>55402051
Alright thanks guys. Guess I'll try and get a set for Modern than although I don't think I'll ever run a set in Eldrazi

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>>55402094
these are pennies a piece
the others are like 8-10 bucks

>>55402144
Those are only preferable in 3+ colored decks where you have serious color fixing issues.
Otherwise the inability to tap on it's own is worse than entering tapped in a good deal of cases.

>>55402200
then why are signet considered good?

>>55402098
Depends on what kind of Eldrazi you're playing. The DnT variant sometimes uses it.

>>55402211
Because they're ramp.

>>55402211
because its 2 mana for a net of 1 that doesnt enter tapped
and because filtering mana is much better than what that guy thinks
even my GW selvala deck has a hard time getting the right colors
i can need gg and ww on turn three so that can be tough

>>55402211
Because Signets are +1 mana every turn after the turn you play it, and they don't take up a land drop.

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/ixalan

Gishath Commander is gonna be 100% jank, lads.

>>55402218
I'm running Tron because Karn but if the Urza lands ever get banned I'll jump ship to the B/W variant that won the Kobe GP.

Honestly it'd probably be best to jump on the B/W Eldrazi train since it's a better deck that doesn't get shut down as hard as Tron I just want to use Karn.

>>55402144
They don't let me cast Kozilek. They also don't have the full cycle. Thanks though.

>>55402280
We got another set before we can say that.

>>55402320
>They don't let me cast Kozilek
>playing colorless
wew

>>55402280
God! As a geologist that map hurts. I've always hated giant circle islands with a sea with another island inside. That only happens under specific conditions that I doubt anyone on the team though of including. I know it is sparklewizard.png but fuck.

>>55402280
Gishath Pyrohemia Fight Club may be jank, but it is already looking fun.

>>55402388
To be fair, we don't have the scale. the "Inner Sea" could be Mediterranean-sized (or a significant fraction). which I believe would alleviate some of those issues?

Share geological mapmaking tips for would-be writers/GMs?

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>>55402388
This is a 50 year old woman on Jund.
Your logic is worthless here.

>>55402211
Because they don't eat a landdrop dumbass.

>>55402388
>>55402492
I assume the image above is the entire map of all of Ixalan, which would mean that it's a map of an entire planet or planet-esque setting.

>>55402546
Nope, Ixalan is only one continent.

>>55402546
>which would mean that it's a map of an entire planet or planet-esque setting

Nope. There's another continent at least, which the vampires sailed from. "Ixalan" is both this continent and the name of the plane.

>>55402546
I'm fairly certain it's the "New World" only since there's no home turf for the Legion of Dusk, just beachheads. Still could be the size of South America, or even the Americas as a whole.

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>>55402492
The fun to be had in the deck was never in question. I'm looking forward to it. It's just never gonna be any real threat in my estimation... which in turn makes it perfect for Commander?

>>55400196
>How important is tutoring to you?
Not very. I don't use them often, I only have 1 deck that really makes use of them and it's all-in on combi
>How many tutors do you usually run (in a given color combination), and which ones are they in each color?
UB runs the most at 4 (5 if you count Lim-Dul's Vault), and I have 1 at most in my other decks

>>55402371
It is one card in the 99.

>>55402622
You're still swinging big dicks at people.

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>>55400196
>How important is tutoring to you?
Not very. I understand that there are people out there that run like 10 tutors in every deck, but I just can't be bothered. I'm not one of those people that put Demonic + Vampiric + Grim + Rune-Scarred + etc in every deck.

>How many tutors do you usually run (in a given color combination), and which ones are they in each color?
Depends on the deck's colors. I'll usually run 3 (Enlightened, Idyllic, Plea for Guidance) in GWx because I love enchantments and I love to get out my typical Privileged Position + Sterling Grove / Greater Auramancy combo, as well as other self-protection enchantments like Wheel of Sun and Moon.
In decks with B I only usually put in Diabolic Revelation and Increasing Ambition. To me, for a card to be worth including in my EDH decks, it has to have either massive value or re-usability.

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>>55402492
It would be better if it were a smaller island since then it could be a coral atoll or a dormant volcano that has been weather down.

As for the spoiler. There is a lot that goes into what make a locality the way it is. So much that i couldn't fit it in a 4chan thread. The main thing is think plate tectonics for landscape and lattitude for climate. If you really want to get into you should look into global circulation patterns and the Koppen Climate Classification. And like >>55402494 is trying to illustrate it is more about fun and being cool than being accurate. A good cheat for land shapes it to look up the earth in different eras. The way the continents were arranged when dinosaurs roamed the earth is very different than it is now. Or to go into photoshop/illustrator and grab two existing land masses [like africa and alaska], make them the about the same size. super impose one over the other and then rotate them both in different directions until you can't really tell that it is 2 real world places together. You can also just dump macaroni on some paper and trace it.

>pic semi-related
This mars if it had a sea level comparable to earth's.


>>55402546
If you read the lore it is an entire continent on the plane akin to new world.

>>55402794
>I love to get out my typical Privileged Position + Sterling Grove / Greater Auramancy combo
"p-please no interaction"

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>>55402826
I usually also include things like old Sigarda, new Sigarda / Leyline of Sanctity, Angel of Jubilation, Solemnity, City of Solitude, Price of Glory, Vexing Shusher, Prowling Serpopard, Archangel of Tithes, Angelic Arbiter, Sphere of Safety, Norn's Annex, Fountain Watch, old Linvala, Leonin Arbiter, Leonin Abunas, Elixir of Immortality, etc in appropriately colored decks.
Pretty much anything to keep my shit safe.

>>55400196
My Azusa runs like 12~ tutors if we count the ones that grab me nonbasic lands and creatures together, my Ruric only has Wild Pair as far as tutoring stuff goes.

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>mfw learning about Yidris Doomsday/Waste Not

Oh God, I want it but my group will kill me after what I did to them with the precon

What other fun stuff can you do with the Ogre Wizard?

>>55402794
>almost all waifus
I sincerely hope that's just a coincidence, anon, and you didn't choose those because of their appearances.

>>55402915
Build with your dick.
Play with your head.

Do you think Smuggler's Copter will ever end up being worth anything like say Sensei's Divining Top? I'm wondering if I should grab a set now and not regret it in the future since they were banned.

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>>55402915
It is a coincidence because I'm gay.
For some reason I usually end up liking female characters more than males.
ex. Avacyn, Arlinn, Alesha, Elspeth.

>"budget" list
>still a thousand dollars

>>55402942
Nah, it was only really good in draft/sealed/standard. Any other format has more and better options.
Plus the price hasn't moved up at all since it was banned.
https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/31852

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>>55402950
>Alesha
>female

>>55402915
>tfw no waifu commanders

All I've got is zombie Sidisi, Teferi, and Marath.

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How do y'all feel about cantrips in a non-storm deck? I need to power up the draw power in my Aboshan deck, but for the life of me, I can't help but include the usual package of Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Serum Visions.

On a similar topic, is it worth running Memnarch in a deck that isn't explicitly about artifacts?

What mono U commander is most fun?

>>55403026
Yea, I know.
Slips my mind whenever I talk about Alesha.

>>55403052
Jalira, Master Polymorphist

>>55403052
Arcanis is literally "Resolve Mind over matter to win"
Talrand is cantrips and counterspells galore, closest thing to aggro monoblue will have in EDH for a long, long time.
Arcum is a piece of shit and SHOULD FUCKING DIE.
Braids is somewhere between hilariously dumb and just plain fucking stupid.

>>55403118
>Braids is somewhere between hilariously dumb and just plain fucking stupid.
Stupid in a good or bad way?

>>55403248
You cheat big, dumb things in and laugh because people think you're grouphug while all you're doing is murdering them with a blightsteel.

>>55400504
Jeska was best imouto.

>>55403052
Patron of the Moon

>>55401696
>>55401864
Lorwyn filters are auto-include in 2c and great in 3c. Odyssey filters are good enough in 2c but too awkward in 3c.
Only downside compared to other duals is when you have a lot of 1cmc stuff e.g. Swords to Plowshares effectively costs 2 when you only have a Forest + Wooded Bastion.
I'd rate them somewhere below pain lands and check lands, on par with battle lands, above reveal lands and tainted lands and above any ETBT lands.

How does a lands deck actually work? Like I see all these multi-land drop cards and maybe some crucible of worlds shenanigans, but don't you just run out of lands? How do you actually win?

>>55403479
I never made one myself, but I guess just look up some new Omnath, Gitrog, or Titania deck lists to see.
Those three are the usual lands.dec commanders.

>>55403479
Usually with a shit load of card draw, extra land drop cards, and saccing/play lands from your graveyard

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>>55402826
pssh, nothin personnel, kid

>>55403479
Depends on the commander. Angry Omnath wins by massed 5/5s that can't be safely killed. Gitrog {laughs in dredge} and probably establishes a stax lock. Titania usually goes for the Food Chain combo to make infinite 5/3s and probably strip mine everyone else to have no lands if she doesn't have the concordant crossroads to kill at once.

>>55403573
Original Avacyn says hi.

>>55403052
If your definition of "fun" is "I want to have a decent chance at winning without making my friends want to kill themselves", then Unesh or Muzzio

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>>55403610
Only way you're getting out of this is if Teferi pays your rent.

>>55403610
oh yeah well i counterspelled her before u even casted her

>>55403052
>Patron of the Moon
Can be built as stax, combo, control, ramp, or some combination therein.

>Baral
The purest spellslinger commander in mono-U, who even lets you filter on any counterspell.

>Uyo, Silent Prophet
People will underestimate you because you're running a Kamigawa commander who bounces your lands. Until you go off once.

>Mistform Ultimus
Tribal for Tribal Effects. Slivers, Merfolk, Wizards, Illusions; stack all those bonuses on what looks like a vanilla commander.

>Kami of the Crescent Moon
Bounce effects; run essentially Owling Mine.

>Kaho, Minamo Historian
You can toolbox any combination of spells you like. Spike things up by making a quick wincon instantly available, or Johnny things out by searching some weird spell that you want to mess with.

>Kefnet the Mindful
Run a bunch of draw spells, a bunch of those Kamigawa cards with "Cards in hand matter" effects, and then peck your opponents to death with the beak of Thoth.

>>55403705
Teferi's Protection
Or, alternatively, Mana Tithe to out Orzhov you.

>>55403753
>Teferi's Protection

Yes, that's what the joke was.

>>55403479
Strip Mine everyone, spam more Marit Lage every time they kill her, rinse and repeat, Glacial Chasm to keep yourself safe and let it die every time your turn comes up, Buried Ruin for Mindslaver locking people once you have enough mana up.

>>55402719
then how exactly is a filter land keeping you from casting it?

So i pulled a scroll rack from kaladesh but realized im barely using it properly. Whats the method for getting value out of it?

>>55404008
Land Tax.

>>55404008
Miracles, cascade, shuffle effects

>>55404041
>>55404058
Thanks, gotta find ways to use this beauty since i opted to keep rather than trade it

>>55403118
>Arcanis is literally "Resolve Mind over matter to win"
>playing arcanis
>not just going full bore and playing azami
what are you some sorta fag?

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Post EDH hidden gems , commanders , board wipes , cantrips , etc

>>55403753
>Teferi's Protection
>being this dense

>>55404177
>hidden gems
>workshop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>55404177

>>55401696

they have advantages and disadvantages, personally i like sungrass prairie (and the rest of the cycle) a little more in 3-4 color decks because the lorwyn filters only fix your mana if you already fixed at least one of the colors

for instance if you're in naya a hand that has mountain-wooded-bastion-sakura tribe elder as its only mana could get color screwed and miss sakura-elder on turn 2, whereas mountain-sungrass prairie-sakura tribe elder is excellent

mana fixing is generally more important on the first few turns than later in the game because when you have more total lands later, its easier to meet color requirements. the fact that the odyssey filters are better on turn 2 are what i like

also they can turn one color of mana into 2 different colors. wooded bastion can't filter your blue mana or colorless mana, for instance, into G or W, but sungrass prairie can

in 2 color decks, the lorwyn filters are significantly better though, because they allow you to cast double and triple pip spells more easily

for instance you could cast necropotence on turn 3 and cryptic command turn 4 using sunken ruins and 3 basic lands

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>>55404177
this card is my secret tech.

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>Built a Ramos Deck
>Originally was a massive Timmy deck
>Now a Charm/Command Tribal
>Quickly becoming my favorite deck

What are some good tools to bring back Instants and Sorceries?

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>>55404177
Cant believe nobody plays this card

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>>55404211
this in a changeling deck

>>55402388
>That only happens under specific conditions
spoiler alert: those conditions are what happened

I want to build a new deck. What should I build?
Currently I have:
Atraxa counter good stuff
Inalla wizard ball
Vampire life gain
Elf ball
Ezuri claw of progress
What would be something different and fun to build?

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>>55404218
>What are some good tools to bring back Instants and Sorceries?
in 5c
all sun's dawn is an auto include

>>55404262
I use it in Edgar. Getting rid of the disposable vampires for a cheap reanimation spell is plenty fine.

>>55404308
oh man all of your decks sound painfully boring

try making a balthor the defiled deck and get serious about the format

>>55404358
isnt Balthor the defiled a hipster commander ?

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>>55404177

>>55404391

that guy is obviously a hipster, he said your decks were painfully boring because he's heard of your commanders before

>>55404358
I was leaning towards building g Alesha or hapatra.

>>55404391
if "hipster" means that not every fucking person in the world runs him then sure.

>atraxa
>inalla
>ezuri

seriously these are the most painfully obvious and overplayed commanders. i think half of the people at my lgs have an ezuri deck. more importantly the decks aren't interesting, it just builds itself.

im going to bite the bullet and build a mono green deck
any azuza players have tips for constantly having lands in hand?

>>55404495
cant tell if this post is a troll or not, you need to sort yourself out if you're serious

>>55404495
Sp I cant use something if it's popular?
Recommend me some oh obscure decks that I should run that are better simply because they aren't popular , which most likely means it's ass

>>55404213
>for instance if you're in naya a hand that has mountain-wooded-bastion-sakura tribe elder as its only mana could get color screwed and miss sakura-elder on turn 2, whereas mountain-sungrass prairie-sakura tribe elder is excellent
Counterpoint: Mountain + Wooded Bastion lets you cast e.g. Cathartic Reunion turn 2 while Mountain + Sungrass Prairie won't. Another example to specifically cast ramp, Forest + Mystic Gate lets you cast Sakura-Tribe Elder turn 2 but Forest + Skycloud Expanse won't.

Both types of lands have their pros and cons, but Lorwyn filters only get stronger the better the rest of your manabase gets. Your example with the Lorwyn filter ceases to be a problem when all your Mountains get replaced by Karplusan Forest, Brushland, Stomping Ground, Temple Garden, Taiga, Savannah and all relevant fetches. My example with the Odyssey filters always remains a problem, no matter how good your other land is.

>>55404572

>Your example with the Lorwyn filter ceases to be a problem when all your Mountains get replaced by Karplusan Forest, Brushland, Stomping Ground, Temple Garden, Taiga, Savannah and all relevant fetches.

if you have any of those then you didnt need the wooded bastion though, you were already set on your colors

>>55404572

also what if instead of a mountain its a gavony township or a strip mine?

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Ok, hipster chart

come on, everyone, make your own and measure your dicks against each other

>>55404218
Seasons Past

>>55404504
Abundance.

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>>55404686

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>>55404358
>tfw think about building volrath or morinfen

>>55404607
It's not only a case of whether you need the colors of a filter land in any given situation, it's also a case of whether the filter land actively prohibits you from casting spells which an Odyssey filter will do more often than a Lorwyn filter alongside a good manabase.
The filter lands aren't made redundant by better lands either, all pain+shock+ABUR+fetch lands in 3c only adds up to 18 lands.

>>55404632
That's a situation where Odyssey filters will perform better than Lorwyn filters, but it will be a lot less common than the situations where Odyssey filters hinder you from casting what you want.

>>55404308
Patron of the Moon stax/combo

>>55404211
>+2/+2 counter? Must be errataed
>it isnt
G-guys?

>guy playing Kaho, Minarmo Historian
>does absolutely nothing but play lands
>everyone figures he's just playing blueinstants.dck
>drops his commander, searches for mystical tutor and some card draw
>ok whatever
>on his upkeep he casts tutor and finds mana severance
>casts mana severance
>taking for fucking ever, what is he doing?
>exiles 86 lands
>eighty fucking six
>2 cards left in deck
>lab man into thirst for knowledge

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Dare you enter Mazirek's Bone Zone?

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>>55404177
Any excuse to post my super secret Alesha tech

>>55404874
>counter/destroy
>win

>>55404954
dear god thats awful
you are the kind of guy who bury alives sad robot in alesha arent you?

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>>55404177

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>>55404872
Such things were done in the past.

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>>55404177
This has saved me from stalling so many times

>>55404872
almost none of the weird old counters got errata'd. You can prolifeate them all you want.

>>55404504
2 drops that draw
Drawing from treefolk with pay-off spells
Tireless tracker, guys that let you play lands from the top, horn of greed, recycle, journey of discovery

>>55405061
Phyrexian Devourer's +X/+X counters were errataed to +1/+1 counters, making it worse for Proliferate and better for Mairsil.

>>55405077
>recycle
I love this card
used to have a "storm" deck that used that and null profusion

then people got wise to what I was doing with them and the fact i had no other win cons

woops

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>>55404686

>>55405084
It's also better for just general Necrotic Ooze shenanigans.

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>>55404177
>Eternal Witness: 44714 decks
>Regrowth: 8413 decks
It baffles me. Yes, Eternal Witness is a chump blocker and some decks can abuse her with flicker/reanimation, but most decks should want multiples of such a powerful effect.

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>>55404686
I have reached levels of hipster unknown to irony.

>tfw you don't even run half your Commander's signature cards because 1 of them isn't a very good charm.

>>55405246
I honestly run neither in my Azusa because I'm stupid like that, my recursion is limited to Buried Ruins, Haunted Fengraf, Crucible, Ramunap and Life from the Loam. I really should run both Witness and Regrowth though.

>>55405246
Well you see, they never put Regrowth in a Commander deck. There are plenty of things on EDHRec where strictly better versions of some cards are in fewer decks.

>>55405246
Much more difficult to recur, can't be blinked, returned to hand or Panharmonicon'd

>>55405305

>Darigaaz

but why

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>>55405246
What surprises me is how few people play the Graveyard Strategies friendly version.

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>>55404686
My stuff is uncommon, I guess, but still not actually hipster.

>>55404804

>That's a situation where Odyssey filters will perform better than Lorwyn filters, but it will be a lot less common than the situations where Odyssey filters hinder you from casting what you want.

got any math to support that? i dont see why that would be true at all

>>55404686
>>55404765

If all of your generals are new-bordered then you're a normie and not a hipster.

>>55405468
>Marath
>new-boarded

Also it's going by numbers you mong

>>55405355
It´s just too scary to think about it getting countered

>>55405246
Treasured Find only hits 1925 decks. Guess people don't want their shit back.

>>55404686
If I'm going to be building Gishath, does that make me uber-hipster at the moment?

>>55405348
Muh fluff, muh Primevals, muh Timmystuff.dec

>>55405593

FOTM is the opposite of hipster

>>55403051
Ponder is just a good card.

>>55405621
Fair

>>55405621
FOTM?

>>55405568
>but it exiles

>>55403051

i absolutely love cantrips that help you fix your top deck

brainstorm i dont like however, i think you need to be able to shuffle or its not good, and i dont run enough fetchlands to have that shuffle consistently

>>55404703
>>55404341

Thanks for those. Definitely will pick up.

>>55405694
Like anyone was ever going to blow a Regrowth on Regrowth.

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Hurry up and hit the bump limit, I have a brilliant idea for next OP.

>>55405495
Marath is new-bordered and the number of decks on EDHREC is a good metric but you've got to consider style too.

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6 ft ropes

>>55405690
flavor of the month

>>55405831
That's pretty terrifying

>leave hometown at 21 for job
>group had a player who always played blue and shat on my heavy aggro playstyle
>never got to beat him once or even take him down in a pod
>vow to knock him down to 0 at least once

>be 25
>new job is asking me to move back to hometown to be closer to NYC office
>refined monored deck to counter his blue deck
>revenge is within my grasp
>dont care if I win
>call up my local EDH buddies for a quick match
>they tell me that blueman passed away while I was gone
>still have this yearning to defeat him
>but I know it will never be
>it hurts

What is the name of this feeling, /edhg/?

>>55405882
Go rakdos and animate dead his decaying ass

>>55405882
mental problems

>>55405919
>spent 4 years working on his career and having mtg as a side hobby
>you're posting in edhg regularly about cardboard and are probably a bluefag

>he has mental problems

>>55405882
Sorry to hear that dude. Death is a shitty thing to deal with.

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>>55405882

>>55405937
>(You)

>>55403929
What? I'm saying that three filters that tap for colorless would help casting Kozilek. Since they tap for colorless and colored.

>>55405882
Find next of kin.
If they're not ready to face you then train them until they are an opponent worthy of defeating.

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>>55400196
I just love not playing standard, don't you guys?

>>55404686
Oh I win this one, though I can't be assed to make a chart.

>Kira, Great Glass Spinner
>Geth, Lord of the Vault
>Urabrask
>Nu Avacyn, but I run a monowhite indestructible list
>Kamahl, Fist of Krosa

>>55405831
>marketed as "pirate block"
>no legendary ship
Sad.

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>>55404686

>>55406053

Yeah, you probably do

>>55406078

jesus wtf

Reki, History of Kamigawa: 96 decks
Jori En, Ruin Diver: 465 decks
BW Partners: 280 decks
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh: 259 decks
Jalira, Master Polymorphist: 310 decks
Jenara, Asura of War: 564 decks

How do I look? I have two WIP decks that are less hipster, but they aren't done.

>>55400196
Depends on the color mostly b/c black's tutors are so numerous that my Kothophed deck has almost too many - but it's gonna be a Razaketh deck so it'll get the best one yet - a repeatable one.

I know this isn't new but here goes.

Looking to build a Kaalia deck, only 3 players in my meta. Creature and removal heavy. I figure I should do the opposite of what Uril does (ramp, enchant, swing, not care about what other people are doing) and actually try to control the board (or at least the creatures on it).

I figure a lot of boardwipes, removal, and ramp to get her out quick. I only need a few bombs on the board to close things out fast. She needs to swing though so I think haste is important as hexproof. Kinda like a pseudo hexproof if I cast her at the right time, once she swings I'm fine with her dying.

>>55406104

mass

land

destruction

>>55400571
Amazing card. run it in all my decks

>Ulasht, the Hate Seed
>214 hits
Pretty Hipster without being total garbage.
I tend to go off on turn 6 if no one wraths me they always do tho :,)

>>55406113
No, no. House rule, we don't do that

>>55406130
Do you consider Burning Sands mass land destruction?

>the players who whine about land destruction run blue

really joggles ur noggin

>>55405882
Kaibaism.

Now go build a superpowerful AI to be able to play against an artificial simulacrum of your rival.

>>55405770
>I have a brilliant idea for next OP.
No, you don't

The 7 Sacred Duties of the /edhg/ OP, (from most to least critical)

1) Use the non-cancer Pasta. OPs that fill their pasta with cancer are faggots of the worst sort
2) Include the title, so a ctrl+f of the catalogue locates the thread
3) Use a Magic: the Gathering card as the thread image. Preferably a Commander-relevant or distinctive one, but new spoils and jank are fairly acceptable too. This is so a quick scan of the catalogue or pages can find the damn thread
4) Link to the previous thread or the archives die
5) Include an "edition" to make archive delving a little easier
6) Include a Thread Question to start some discussion.
7) Provide a forward link in the previous thread to ease migration if able.

>>55406078
You really have 7 distinct mono blue decks? Do they share the same shell or do you have them all built with a significant amount of difference?

>>55406173
5 and 6 are where we get our flavor, boy.
And I'm the fucking chef.

>>55406173
>not including the discord link
where is it by the way I was memeing before but now I actually want to use it

>>55406239
A few of the same cards (Palinchron + High Tide; Merchant Scroll; Gilded Lotus) bounce between them, but they all have different strategies. Patron of the Moon is a stax deck that aims to either restrict the opponent's mana and win with command damage or go for an infinite mana loop with one of my land bouncers, Patron, and Amulet of Vigor. Mistform Ultimus is all about stacking buffs from all the different blue tribal effects, and winning through aggro. Higure, the Still Wind focuses on using Ninjutsu effects to reuse ETB effects while taking advantage of the Ninjas to generate some cheap advantage. Soramaro is all about card draw and some of those janky "cards in hand" cards, like Meishin. Cloudhoof Kirin is self-mill with Lab Man and "instant/sorcery in grave" checking cards. Chisei is probably the weakest - it focuses on synergies with Cumulative Upkeep cards, and also some Persist effects. Hakim is all about Heroic, and plays the way Heroic + Auras was "intended" back in Theros block, using Hakim as a way to regain some advantage later in the game.

>>55406145
We do. Only specific targeting is allowed. Go ahead and use a Ghost Quarter to take out an Academy Ruins but that's about it

>>55406322
what a bunch of pussies

>>55406104
Also was wondering how much of the deck I should devote to recursion. Unburial Rites and Phyrexian Reclamation already in there.

>>55406308
don't summon him

>>55406322
What about dropping 10 mana for flashback Increasing Vengeance on Volcanic Offering?

>>55406382
I just got a text message. Apparently we changed the rule to no land destruction at all.

>>55406322
>not knowing the joys of following a geddon up with a planar rebirth for a massive landfall trigger
MLD shouldn't be banned, players who use it recklessly should be banned.
Securing your lead by destroying lands is a fine way to win, not even as bad as stax or stasis.

Today I realized that I only like playing with 2 of my 10 decks, so I've completely disassembled all but those two and am headed to the store to sell off everything of worth from those other decks.

But with that said I now feel like making something new...

Kess seems boring and generic, the grixis cage person seems boring and generic...

Not interested in 5 colors...

Inalla seems like it could be fun but if the only viable option is just ETB wizard spam then that's not fun at all.

The cat dragon thing could be fun... Maybe? Probably not.

Cat tribal blah

I don't know guys, what doooo

>>55406442
Play Inalla as Allies, using Grixis's tutoring options to keep Xenograft alive constantly.

>>55406442
>Not interested in 5 colors...
you really should give it a try
you can do ANYTHING you want
mana base can be as cheap as 2 dollars if you use panoramas and cultivate effects to fetch basics
thats what I do and my deck is pretty good for 75% tables

>>55406442
I usually just do archetypes. I have a voltron, a control, and an aggro 1v1 deck. Kinda just want a "play big creatures and bash people with them" deck now.

>>55406449
Xenograft, Conspiracy and that new one in Ixalan

>>55406464
When Ramos got spoiled I had dreams of making a deck based on cheesing tons of +1's onto Ramos through other means and then using his ability to play big X spells.

It still sounds fun but at the same time it sounds a little unguided. "Big x spells" isn't enough of a deck strat for me right now.

>>55406464
>>55406507
I used to play budget slivers where Queen and Legion where the only expensive cards in the deck.
Mana base wasn't too rough since it was 40% green and I ran ever Cultivate possible.

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>>55404686
Jenara first and favorite still
as excited for the cats as I enjoy edgar a lot more.
Also have a sram list im doing next.

>>55405246
I can't bring it back with Meren. Although I do run a copy of Treasured Find, but its only because I happen to have a foil one and its beautiful.

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>>55406524
I really want to build an Atraxa deck but she is so expensive ....

>>55406563

pick the oversized one

>>55406415
You say that as though I don't hate Stax or Stasis.

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>>55404686
To be fair, my decks are mostly jank

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>>55404686
Johnny-Vorthos fun time 24/7

>>55406413
>No Volcanic Offering
>No Into the Maw of Hell
Why does your group hate fun?

What are the best colors for the new Treasure shit?

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>>55405459
Here's my autistic list of turn 2 situations where you're stuck with only 2 lands and want to cast something, with Naya colors as an example:
>lands: colorless or R + WG filter land
>want to cast 1G/1W/WG: Odyssey is better
>want to cast 1R: Lorwyn is better
>want to cast GG/WW: they're both bad

>lands: RG or WR or WRG + WG filter land
>want to cast 1G/1W/WG: they're both good
>want to cast 1R: Lorwyn is better
>want to cast GG/WW: Lorwyn is better

>lands: WG or W or G + WG filter land
>want to cast 1G/1W/WG: they're both good
>want to cast 1R: they're both bad
>want to cast GG/WW: Lorwyn is better

>lands: anything + WG filter land
>want to cast RR/RG/WR: they're both bad

>3 lands and onwards
>you started with colorless or R + WG filter land and you keep drawing colorless or R: Odyssey is better
>you started with anything else and/or you draw anything else: either they're both the same or Lorwyn is better, especially if you want to cast XWW/XWWW/XGG/XWWW etc. or you want to cast multiple spells such as XWW + W

It's not hard math but I don't think the one situation where Odyssey filters are better outweighs the many situations where Lorwyn filters are better. Wanting to cast something with 1G/1W/WG is more common than casting the other combinations, but having a land that produces colorless or R should be a rare situation in a well built 3c deck.
A case could be made that Odyssey filters could be better for decks that specifically have a lot of colorless utility lands and a lot of colored 2 drops, but I'm curious to know what kind of deck that would be. If your manabase consists mostly of other dual/triple lands, Lorwyn filters are better by far.

>>55406661
Grixis, probably.

>>55406563
I've been slowly adding cards since I bought the precon and it's still not "done" desu
did just get a sisay for her though - so that's cool

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>>55404686
I'm probably the least hipster player here.

>>55406484
Conspiracy doesn't work.

>>55404954
Doesn't work in Alesha because he doesn't "attack."

>>55405764
It's relevant with mass recursion like Seasons Past, limited recusion like Archaeomancer to reach another target, and recast effects like Snapcaster Mage

>>55406717
The first ruling on the card expressly explains that it does work.

>>55406705
Also the most cancerous, even more so than the fag with 7 monoblue decks

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>>55404686
A bonafide G and a certified stud.

Why are all simic commanders literally the exact same thing? Simic is my favorite two color combination, but I am so fucking sick of every simic commander being "draw cards and ramp"

>>55406834
Build Vorel or Kraj. They do neither unless you want them to.

>>55406717
The ruling is counterintuitive, but it does work. It operates on the same rules as Master of Cruelties.

>>55406717
>>55406876
I don't see why it wouldn't work. Can someone explain to me where does the confusion comes from?

>>55406663
>her
Excuse me, did wizards just assume its gender!!!

>>55406905

I'm at a loss too because >>55404954 specifically says "If <cardname> attacks and is not blocked". I can't see anything on there about him not attacking.

>>55406905

If something says it triggers "whenever this creature attacks", then if you put it onto the battlefield tapped and attacking, it's too late for that to trigger

But if something triggers "when this creature attacks AND ISNT BLOCKED", that ability triggers during the declare blockers step and, somewhat misleadingly, doesn't care if the creature actually was declared as an attacker during the declare attacks step

>>55406905
They're assuming because it says "whenever it attacks and isn't blocked", but it didn't technically attack. The thing is that the condition doesn't actually care whether or not it "attacked", but there isn't a more succinct way to write out "whenever ~ is attacking and your opponent doesn't declare a blocker for ~ during the declare blockers phase".

>>55406956

If you put utvara hellkite into play tapped and attacking with kaalia, it won't trigger the ability to make another dragon. If you put a frenzied goblin into play with Alesha, it won't trigger his ability to prevent a blocker.

But you CAN trigger abilities that trigger on "attacked and isn't blocked", due to the timing

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Where are the phishfus?

>>55406956
>>55406968
>>55406979
Oh okay, thanks.

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>>55404686
Decks are in order made. Chainer was made 11+ years ago, Mairsil was made last Wednesday.

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>>55406991

>>55406803
In my defense, I don't play them in their most cancerous versions. Except for Kaalia, that one is full cancer.

Can a kind anon post the i make new rat comic?

>>55407064
>literally injuns but with the feathers attached to their heads
I just can't get into this.

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>>55407045
mfw got a foil Volrath but is worth jack shit right now .

>>55403068
Jalira is really fun to play... with stealing stuff or exchanging effects. And now that there will be treasure mechanics makes me a litlle bit more happy.

Do damage doubling effects work with life lose cards ie: debt to the deathless, exsanguinate, extort mechanic?

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>>55407158

>>55407223
No. Damage causes loss of life but loss of life isn't damage.

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>>55404686
Mayael was my first, and is by far the most expensive deck I own.
Still fiddling with Licia.

>>55407243
>Gwen is now an 80 dollar card

>>55407223
Damage is damage, loss of life is loss of life, damage causes loss of life.

I get that Superfriends is cancer, but I found out that the most cards that positively care about Walkers are Naya (thanks Ajani) and kind of want to build Gahiji superfriends.

None of the usual cancer is really available in those colors, so I should be safe from hate, right? I just like the idea of triggering Oaths.

>>55407237
>americuck market

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>>55405147
>tfw you are a basic bitch
I didnt realize a lot of these decks were so popular aside from child for obvious reasons

>>55407306
>using any other fiat money other than zog bucks
nice larp but lets be real

>>55404308
Any other ideas for fun things i could build

>>55407298
Go Doubling Season+Samut, the Tested, ult into Ajani, Caller of the Pride and Elspeth Tirel, ult them both.

>>55407348
Patron of the Moon
Kiki-Jiki
Kaseto
Toshiro Umezawa
Patron of the Kitsune
Patron of the Orochi
Sekki, Seasons' Guide

>>55407380
Yeah, I own a Doubling Season now (gift from a friend) so I might go ahead with that. I always hated that sort of thing, but neither of those effects are as crazy as Tamiyo (either one) or some of the others I despise.

>>55407298
>I get that Superfriends is cancer
its actually not that good

>>55407329
>He doesn't base his economy on the value of teeth
Literally bottom-tier economic practice.

>>55407434
True, but I guess I'm using the word cancer to mean widespread and annoying.

>>55406507

Charm Tribal with Ramos. Get shit like Cloven Casting, Vorel of the Hull Clade, Corpsejack Menace and Winding Constrictor.

>Cast Abzan or Jund Charm and pay the extra mana to activate Cloven Casting
>Get 20 +1/+1 counters for Ramos if Corpsejack and Constrictor are both out from four mana
>Activate Vorel
>Get 20 more for just two more mana

Also you can do shit like get just five counters, dump them, use some of them to blink Ramos, cast a few spells once he comes back, dump the counters for more mana, blink him again... repeat.

>>55407380
>not using jace to pull walkers out of other people's decks

>>55407428
you seem to like kamigawa

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>>55404686
Mageta the lion

Is Wildest Dreams good graveyard recursion?

>>55407759
Regrowth, Seasons Past, and Praetor's Counsel are better at the equivalent cost of Wildest Dreams. Dreams is only better in that it's taking up a single slot, so if you need to cut cards but want recursion then you pick Dreams.

>>55404568
>Sp I cant use something if it's popular?
it's not that being popular makes them unfun. it's that a lot of the most obvious decks become popular because people are uncreative babies who want to win but don't want to work for it.

>>55407687
>discarding cards in mono white
how dumb do you think I am?

>>55407647
There are a lot of fun cards from the River of Spirits. I wish we had a few more Ninjas in blue, though.

>>55407289
Thanks for the clarification.

>>55407868
Playing it more for the flavour and suprise than anything... and because my playing groups love to go wide. Also, amonkhet set gave a good amount of white stuff you can discard and then return...

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>>55404686
any kirin is pretty hipster (and for good reason)

>>55406078
>hakim, loreweaver
goodness
>kirin
my dude

>>55407687
i always kind of thought this dude was a lenonin...

>>55408275
A shame of not taking the oportunity from wizards side...

>>55408296
how do you mean

>>55408319
Named a lion, has lion in the jungle flavour text, is not a leonin or cat type, is of mono white... wizards missed opportunity for total flavor win.

New thread

>>55408393
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>>55407243
Post Licia list plox?

>>55404686
ramirez-58
xenagos-1157
avacyn-483
mogis-639
muzzio-316
razaketh-156

i..i swear im not a hipster

>>55407133
they're more aztec than injun
the pirates and vampires (totally not spain) are even trying to find the city of gold.

>>55406830
Enzo Amore is a fuck. He's ruining 205 Live even though he's a godsend for the ratings thanks to the casuls.

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>>55406663
I like oversized beaters

>>55406053
I run both geth and kira.
I also run Baru and Kazuul.
I used to run Yomiji
Bring it on fag