Pathfinder General /pfg/

I'm curious. Just how busted can you make a Betrothed avowed as compared to a standard eidolon or standard avowed.

Let's get some char-Op up in here

>>55368772
compared to a standard avowed its about twice as powerful

compared to a summoner, its probably about.. 50% stronger? Less versatile but its a lot tougher and has a fuckton more damage.

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No, but sanctioned undeath has it's upsides.

Would you rather gestalt with a matchless synth summoner plus free vmc barbarian, or gestalt with a celestial avowed with a free paladin vmc?

>>55368954
Magic less, not matchless

>>55368954
paladin probably because smite evil is a lot of fun.

>>55368805
>mind expanding. I have the basic Avowed char-op options down but is it simply due to having essentially 2 characters? Or is it acccess to having things affect twice as often/twice as many targets as normal

>>55369273
Basically yeah, having two characters is infinitely more powerful than having one character, aka the reason leadership is basically always banned

>>55369009
I think the question was more along the lines of "is one of these obviously stronger than the other?"

>>55369460
Its gestalt so i'm broken anyways who cares

>>55369273
Things to keep in mind:
>any static damage or non-pulse damage is halved when using an Aether Pulse shape. Yes, even damage from an actual weapon you use channel on.
>last I checked, in order to use a clause at full CL it needed to take both betrothed and companion's actions, though that can be practically meaningless when a lot of clauses don't rely on CL

Then on the other side
>you have two full HD creatures in the board, both who can spec into different shapes, skills, and feats
>action economy fuckery can get nuts, especially with wands combined with shit like Aether Command to let you reposition party members all over the place while spamming buffs
>The companion doesn't need the typical Christmas tree shit because it gets them automatically, because ???

Hot opinion time: Betrothed was "tuned" in the wrong places to compensate for not trading much away while still giving a lot, something which only pushes it further towards the broken shit.

Now, I'll give you a good dinner. You're gonna have a nice clean. Now, you behave yourself in the future and pay for what I ask you or next time I'm gonna make you eat your own shit.

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>>55369561

Give me some suggestions on how to make an NPC Bladebound Magus Tiefling who worships Magdh a little bit more interesting.

>>55370078
Give him a scimitar to show his exotic-ness.

>>55370122
Har-de-har.

He weilds a Rhoka though.

>>55370078
>>55370149

given that this sounds like someone's laziest attempt charop i've heard in awhile i'm going to say this is a GMpc

which means not only are you a hack, you're also a retard

>>55370064
Yo I wanna fuck that dragon.

>>55368724
>for
I hope you meant from or else I've got nothin'

His family, his village. His life. All burnt away by a madman that never got caught. He'll never even get the slightest revenge. He can't stomach the idea of a new family either, seeing as he was the only one to survive the first party wipe. They were so close to filling that void too. But alas, theres no room in his heart for anyone else anymore. I'd think thats what drives his magic after all, despair.

Shadow magic has been funded on less you know.

>>55368724
Her hat of greater disguise was taken by a party member. She did get it back, which is good because she doesn't like people staring.

>>55370211
I didn't mean shit like "hey faggots, build and stat out my totally 1337 ubercool grimdark sickcunt tiefling fursona for me please so I can impress all my players with how cool and edgy I am"

I literally just meant think of something interesting to attribute to him, like a specific personality for the sword.

>>55370303
Make the Sword a Tsundere. it would be all antagonistic, yet help the wielder anyway, and deny any accusations of it helping their wielder for any reason than they just like having the guy around.

>>55370303
I dunno dude read a book or something, if you can't even figure out one interesting factor about a character you might not be cut out for gming.

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>>55370241

>>55370350
I doubt any of my players would even find out that the sword is sentient though. Maybe I'll just roll for the sword's motivations or something.

>>55370355
I should just have him send in really unhelpful letters of correspondence to agony aunt sections of the local newspaper telling people to figure out their problems themselves while he feels a misplaced smug sense of satisfaction.

>>55370241
"She" has a dick

>>55370443
>while he feels a misplaced smug sense of satisfaction.
Now you're getting it!

>>55370443
I dunno dude if a bricklayer wrote to an advice column asking about how to lay bricks, i probably wouldn't hire that bricklayer

>>55370467
I'll have him teach my players how to fight better with swords by going "Why are you asking me for advice? I'm only more experienced at this than you are and I probably have a bunch of advice to give you but you should instantly know how to be a master swordsman merely from picking one up."

I actually really like the idea of him being a condescending dick though, so thanks for that, maybe this was your plan all along...

>>55370455
Not canon

>>55368724
I heard /pfg/ was furry ERP cancer.

Anyone got examples?

>>55370552
PLD has people getting buttfucked by gnolls. There's like two games running right now about fucking dragons.

>>55370574
Screenshots. I must laugh.

>>55370574
No, no. RotJR was gnoll rape.
PLD is drake, troll, slime, and manticore rape. And breeding with an actual literal nonsentient dog.

>>55370552
>>55370455
>>55370417
>>55370241
>>55370064
>>55369561
Exhibits A-F, your honor.

>>55370590
Rapegames need to go.

>>55370590
Demon dog

>>55370552
The most furry encounter that's happened so far in any game was an off-screen Gnoll rape, but the most degenerate was a PC consensually letting a dog mount her.

>>55370628
Specifically called out as a "hunting hound" and nonsentient. Not even implied to be demonic. Don't front, you posted the logs.

>>55370639
>but the most degenerate was a PC consensually letting a dog mount her.
What

How much is 500 words of backstory?

>>55370628
What made it demonic?

>>55370655
Nah, more degenerate than that was that she posted logs of it to the thread.

And then repeatedly tried to defend that act. As well as explain the reasoning of why this event was necessary in the game. No matter how many times they were told to stop.

>>55370670
Shit, this is exactly what I was looking for.

Got that shit screencapped? That's some premium cringe.

>>55370657
Like two good strong paragraphs?

>>55370677
Can you fuck off? This is some fucking stale trolling

>>55370677
https://pastebin.com/tHnC3K1Y
Here you go.

>>55370699
Inb4 it's Vult false-flagging.

>>55370699
I think I found the dog fucker.

>>55370717
Would it even shock anyone? It follows his pattern of behavior over like what, a year now?

Honest question for any PLD players in the thread: How does your group stay together after multiple log leaks? That's some serious breaching of trust, especially when it's something as raunchy as this.

>>55370732
It would not, and it does. Anything to keep his name being mentioned in the thread to feed his narcissism.

>>55370752
PLD didn't leak any logs, they willingly posted them.
Thats the level of attentionwhoring.

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>thread opens with what could potentially be an interesting topic that might result in good data to throw at a dev
>promptly derailed into the usual shitshow we always have because one faggot put in his juicy, throbbing, irresistible bait

as expected

>>55370677
Here's some top level cringe inducing ERP logs that were released without one party's consent. The fact that they still play with the log leaker will never not be funny to me:
https://pastebin.com/zUGVAmbf

>>55370781
>Nobody will help me break my campaign
>This is proof this thread is shit

>>55370785
And by reposting them, you're as bad as Rory

fantastic.

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What style of player are you, /pfg/? What's important to you in a game or adventure, and what do you want to get from other players?

If you're a GM, what sort of game so you run? What do you want from a good session, and what's your style of GMing?

>>55370785
>released without one party's consent
By reposting it you realize you're doing so as well faggot? Literally worse than Rory, because he learned to stop posting that real quick.

>>55370781
Betrothed avowed being overpowered isn't interesting, its just a known thing that hasn't been dealt with, like at fucking all.

>>55370806
>>55370825
Nah, I'm just here to remind them what kind of scum they've chosen to keep playing with. If they had dropped the shitter like a bad habit, this log would have been a flash in the pan, but because they decided it wasn't a big enough deal it will live in infamy.

>>55370817

I'm fond of playing mercenaries, schemers, and assassins.

>>55370801
>>55370839
Have you tried actually constructing a example to present to the dev in question so they'll work on fixing it, because pretty sure the last time people came forward with that shit got changed

>>55370866
The devs know its broken, nothing has been changed.

>>55370866
It's more like the Dev is kind of gulagged or so I've been told.

Otherwise. Too much stuff compared to similar classes and then some. It's like a better summoner

>>55370904
compared to other pet classes its outright broken, not to mention that fact that the companion's stats and natural boosts put it far and above any eidolon

>>55370817
Sometimes I play the big, beefy martial (usually due to my irl buds' party needs). However, I really like playing cunning scoundrels and smug wizards.

https://pastebin.com/U2TtHTJL
Don't forget the once deleted logs too.

>>55370817

I have fun adding personalities to the characters and drilling the party into an efficient machine. Also a bit of a jew with rewards and somewhat of an historic fag. The hero moments shine even more because I play either greedy, thieves, liars, perverts, or even evil characters.

>all this stale shitposting
>Vult is still gearing up for PLD 2
You guys are going to die of salt overdose

>>55370947
>Not realizing this is literally Vult's sales pitch for PLD

>>55370947
>Vult self-shills his garbage because he wants to make PLD2
Incredible

I bet he'll get like 50 apps again i fucking hate this website.

>>55370904
1. The gulag is a joke
2. The gulag is only for DSP's stuff
3. You can give direct Avowed feedback in their thread on GitP

>>55370947
Fuck off Vult.

>>55370947
Oh he's going to run a PLD 2 for all those "Salty B list shitters" who were jealous they didn't get in? No thanks. The guy is a cunt who can't figure out why people don't like his attitude.

>>55370895
>>55370904
True, I suppose all the data and suggestions in the world don't matter if the devs are dead and don't respond. Surely there's something we haven't beaten to death worth talking about though.

>>55370970
>thinks the gulag is a joke

>>55370979
but betrothed /has/ been beaten to death or so the thread says. We'll have to wait and see

>>55371009
Betrothed is a meme and a mistake. Forrest should have just done more pacts. Would have got this shit out way faster and not get so mired in playtesting.

>>55371045
Aspirant is kind of cool at least

>>55371009
Not specifically Betrothed, dude, just something not beaten to death. Is the other archetype(s) as limp as they look? Are any pacts in desperate need of retooling? Hell, is there anything interesting about Spellburst Savant, a class I have seen mentioned exactly twice in passing this year?

>>55371045
Avowed 2 is going to end up like bloodforge infusions, and just bloat up so content that actually functions can be sliced off it into separate books, while the rest gets trapped in eternal playtest.

>>55370859
What about playing those characters do you enjoy?
>>55370920
Similarly, what do you enjoy about those archetypes?
>>55370936
What personality, or personalities are your favorite? Do you find it rewarding to amp up the drama and heroics of the heroes by you yourself playing a villainous, or supporting role?

>>55371082
nobody cares about spellburst savant, its name sucks and the class just isn't interesting.

>>55371092
>SBS is the forgotten child
>It's one of the best ways to gunmage without dipping shenanigans
I wish SBS got cooler things.

>>55371045
Forrest's main weakness has always been her desire to pander to the anime flavor of the month. The betrothed is just this habit's most disastrous manifestation.

>>55371118
literally the only reason people really know the class for is 'gunmaging'

on its own its not a good class, it does nothing to set it apart, ideally it seems to be trying to be 'the blaster mage' of people's dreams and nova hard but spheres just does that better and more interestingly.

>>55371085
When it comes to scoundrels and mages, I feel like there's more opportunities to show off what the character is all about (mostly due to higher mental stats).

I like playing beefy knight dudes every now and then, but they just don't have the same appeal.

>>55371137
That's entirely the truth. It's weeb pandering and we all know how that goes.

Battle harem Gary Stu class when?
Isekai MC class when?

>>55370853
>person loses a family member in a car accident
>run over another family member to remind them of how horrible it was the first time around

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>>55368724
How do I play a savage nudist barbarian girl without it being magical realm?

>>55371253
You don't. It's always magical realm to play a nudist.

>>55371198
>Battle harem Gary Stu class when?
That would be like, a Paladin||Bard gestalt that had leadership, except it was buffed to give him multiple cohorts.

>Isekai MC class when?
World engine pact or whatever from The April fools book

>>55371137
It's a shame, since the concept is good but the execution is awful. Creepy Eldritch Horror Movie Twins is still the best flavor for it.

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>>55371259
No exceptions?

>>55371308
No exceptions.

>>55371297
Realistically the only way for it to work is if it was a promethean alchemist tier class feature murder.

even then, the betrothed companion needs all its sparkles removed, there's no reason for it to have 20hd and free stat boosts, as well as free save and free attack boosts.

How the fuck the thought that would be ok when SUMMONER AND SPIRITUALIST EXIST is beyond me

>>55371325
>promethean alchemist tier class feature murder
That's a step too far, on account of that then meaning the class would be wholly incapable of doing much of anything, rather than "only being good at the broken shit"

>>55371343
Its turning one pseudo-caster into two, its incredibly strong. The class would be plenty capable without sparkles and a bunch of class features cause it would still have clauses and pulses.

oh lets not forget the bonus feats it has to because fuck why not

>>55371359
It should honestly just be canned. Having two PCs like that is either a terrible trade and you barely can do the basic stuff, like a Promethean. Or it's outright breaking the action economy over it's knees. Betrothed should have just been a pact to another PC or NPC, maybe with the caveat that they don't get any powers from the pact (unless they also are an avowed with the same pact or something).

>>55371430
It just shouldn't exist, its a mistake in about every way.

>>55371359
I think you misunderstand, I'm saying a gutting like that swings too far in the other direction, as the equivalent would probably mean losing all Aether Pulse features with most of your pact features. Then, for good measure, stripping out everything but the bare minimum progression from your companion.

But, really, it's like >>55371451 says, it existing at all, let alone in the state it's in, is probably a mistake.

>>55371470
yeah that would be about the cost it would take for the strength of the betrothed companion, your main character could be a commoner.

>>55371536
the example I'm giving would mean you'd be two experts with clauses that require you both to focus on them, as the assumption is you strip out all the resonance effects and shit from the companion and neither of you then get any Aether Pulse stuff.

>>55368954
I'll take the synth. Avian form, small creature, alchemist as my other class. Carpet bombing fun.

I'd probably spend my Evo points on skill ups.

>>55370853
You're literally giving Rory the infamy he always wanted, anon.

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Should mercenaries with Dark Vision get double pay?

>>55371986
How can your eidolon be smaller than you?

>>55372475
No, but their pay is higher as is because secret super guerrilla action.

>>55368724
His family. His city. His country.

No. Not yet.

>>55372580
>No. Not yet.
Will he?

>>55372715
We'll see.

>>55372784
I hope he does.

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Help me decide on a general palette for my lizardfok dude's shitty token /pfg/

He's an eldritch scion magus, gold dragon bloodline, with a knack for fire spells. Both are good for his general aesthetic and theme, but I can't decide which one I like more.

I'm an alchemist in dire need of new formulae, but the party wizard is obviously not ok with me reading his book. He said he'd be willing to write scrolls for me, but that would get very costly very quickly
Assuming that copying a spell from one book to another to be free, can i cheese it by buying him a traveling spellbook specifically for him to write on only spells i'm interested in? Until i mention having to pay for the scrolls he doesn't realize how much gold he could get from me

>>55372477
It can't. I play a small creature.

Probably goblin, for those double radius bombs.

>>55373009
Personally I prefer left.

>>55373009
Left is nicer, maybe sprinkle a bit of colour on stuff like his horn bandage or brooch

>>55368724
>What was the last thing that was taken for your character?
His eldest son.

>Did he get it back?
Soon if all goes well.

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>>55373009
>>55373299
>>55373302
yeah it was mostly the flats then, this is closer to what the finished thing would look like

i like them both too much egghshghg

>>55373680
Oh baby those are nice, now the choice is actually harder
I'd go with right now

>>55373680
left is much better

>>55373798
has no taste

>>55373812
fuck you skub saved my dog

Hopefully an easy question.

When you create a scroll of some spell, you already have to expend the material component. So when you activate and use the scroll, you don't need any more material components, right?

>>55372475
Dark vision is mostly inferior to low-light vision in the surface world.

>>55373983
Yes, same with potions and to a certain extent wands

>>55374053
Thanks, pity though that polymorph makes all your stuff disappear.
Why can't you lay it down on the ground, transform and pick it up again?

Any spell for a low level magus to make unarmed/natural attacks? we're entering a place in where we have to go unarmed

>>55374120
Nothing says you can't
>>55374160
SHOCKING
GRASP

>>55374183
Shocking, but I meant something that lasts a little more

>>55374120
RAI vs RAW, the RAI is clear that you don't get your gear, the RAW means you could do that

but doing that kind of shit is a good way to get the GM to drop some rocks on you.

>>55373988
Has low light vision ever come up for you?

>>55374199
Chill Touch

>>55374209
>rocks fall, everybody dies

>>55374199
Alter self/Beast Shape/Vermin Shape etc

>>55374237
Dude, I'm 3rd level, I'm not going to spend 4 encounters with chill touch. Isn't something like Stone Fist but for Magus?

>>55374309
3rd level? then no, there's nothing, you're fucked, die and reroll.

>>55374199
Desperate weapon? Stone fist? Enlarge person?
Or just say fuck it and go color spray/magic missile

>>55374309
Color Spray then. I don't see why you wouldn't use Chill Touch though, it's awesome.

>>55374346
>Stone fist
Not magus
>Enlarge person
Still provoke AoO on unarmed attacks, and the place we're going it will probably not let me enlarge, also I'm Dex magus
>Desperate weapon
Does it allow finesse?

>>55374383
Chill touch at 3rd level allows me for 3 attacks for one spell, I have 4 spells per day. Do the math.

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How would you stat Baiken from GGXrd? I'm trying to use her as a source of inspiration for a one armed character I want to make

>>55374415
Shocking grasp then.

>>55374415
So you cast your chill touch, attack twice, next round you attack again, then cast shocking touch to make another attack. Then you cast chill touch again. I don't see your problem dude.

>>55374417
First the penalties are so huge so not worth it. Otherwise just your run of the mill fighter or whatever PoW, Psionoc class or sphere let's you be a puncher.

>>55374448
The problem is that we're going to spend at least a day in this place and we know beforehanded that enemies await for us, there's going to be several encounters, I can't blow my shit in a single encounter and then die.

>>55374417
Dynamancer.

>>55374448
He already told you he's going to face several encounters unarmed, dude, pay attention

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>>55374398
t. retard

>>55373680
I think until you added the flame. Right was much better looking. Now I like left because the flame does well with the color of the armor and scales. More cohesive feeling.

>>55374476
Stone fist it is then.

>>55374500
Not in here
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedPlayersGuide/spells/stoneFist.html
Cunt

Why not hide or disguise weapons on yourself then?

>>55374533
>using paizo page

T O P K E K
O
P
K
E
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>>55371253
cover her in warpaints?

>>55374548
Shouldn't I use the page that designed the game??

>>55374559
Not if it's as badly designed as their game.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spellcasters/magus.html

Ctrl+f Stonefist

>>55374578
Yet still you play their game.

how would you roleplay a sarcastic/pragmatic bard?

>>55374559
You're the idiot if you don't want to use easily accessible material.

>>55374650
>implying anyone here actually plays the game

but yeah, I play it modified by 8 pages of house rules and two additional game systems tacked on.

>>55374417
Fools Errand, Mithral Current, Scarlet Throne-using Bushi Stalker with some maneuvers refluffed into all the tools she carries around. Also has the prescient dodger rogue talent. Use that one major drawback on the pfsrd or something for bring one-armed.

>>55374691
Well be pragmatic outside of combat and your performances are directly from paper and your act is always NEAT UND TIDY!

Being sarcastic just means being a dick.

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>>55371259
Even this?

>>55368724
His fancy magic hat got sundered. He never got it back, but he replaced it with a fancier, more magical hat a short period later.

>>55374725
I think you already know the answer for that?

>>55374725
NUDIST...

BEEEEEAAAAAAACCHHH

>>55374708
>Use that one major drawback on the pfsrd or something for bring one-armed.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/3rd-party-drawbacks/rogue-genius-games/major-drawbacks/one-arm/

Have you ever and would you ever use Pathfinder for adventures in an urban fantasy or post-apocalyptic setting?

>>55375384
I've done it before. However I did it in the following way:
>humans live on a colony planet that has been cut off from earth for some 600 years
>the colony is relatively large on a comforatable world, but lives under a stagnant totalitarian government
>the colony's entire social society is based around a recreational MMO used to determine everything from wealth to resource distribution (they live in pose scarcity by this is hidden from them)
>the game is filled with numerous semi sapient AIs and archaic complexities that are not understood
>the government itself holds all information on the MMO's inner workings from a world building, story, and mechanical perspective
>players switch between in the MMO which uses Pathfinder rules and the real world which uses cyberpunk 2020

This sounded much better in my head. Trust me it was a fun game to GM.

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>>55374513
>>55373798
>>55373812
there we go
settled for the brown one because of lore reasons pointed out by the gm, and had to fix him up a bit so he'd fit in the token square properly

thanks for your input fellas

>>55375593
I can believe it, I did a similar sort of thing once except instead of Pathfinder it was Magic: the Gathering. Had a modern setting that contained a VR MMO with a fantasy style setting that was basically programmed by wizards (well, one wizard really). Ended up putting more effort into fleshing out the digital setting than the "real" one, hah. But it was important, since way to find the plot mcguffins was hidden inside the MMO.

>>55376009
I think that looks pretty nice.

Hey guys, I've got an undine ranger that's going mythic soon and I've never had a Mythic ranger before. What feats should I go with? What mythic path?

3rd party content is tenuously allowed depending on how balanced it is.

>>55376179
Champion

Who is the best LE outsider: The rakshaha, the kyton or the devils`?

>>55377302
Devils, easily. They're in contention for best outsiders period, so there's no way forgettable riff-raff like Kytons could beat them out.

>>55377334
This is the right answer.

>>55377302
I like exoticism, so I'd probably be more willing to include rakshasas in a game, but devils are probably the best in terms of useful mechanics.

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>>55377302
>>55377334
>>55377376
>>55377526


FOOLISH MORTALS, PREPARE TO FEEL ENDLESS TORM-

I mean, hey guys. My name is Kon'Zuthon. I was wondering, why don't you guys like Kytons? Is there something that can be done to make them better? Are there chains not spikey enough? Do devils torture you more often?

>>55377697
Mostly that they're just kind of one-note and I don't feel "we make you feel bad until you decide it feels good" is a very interesting villain schtick.

That and I can't shake the idea of "but Kytons were just a kind of devil back in 3.5."

Hey, anyone have any links to maps in PNG form- I need a ton of them for a roll20 game I plan on running.

>>55377697
Yeah, I use to live in Nidel and the Kytons were pretty great, but after I moved to Cheliax I just never see them around anymore. It's devils this, devils that, all the time every day. I was getting impaled on a stake by one yesterday and it made me think of this one Kyton that use to love doing that back when I lived in Nidel. His technique was better, although the Devil had a dramatic flair the Kyton lacked. Anyway, couldn't you branch your minions out a bit more? I know Asmodeus probably doesn't want any Kytons butting in on his turf, but see if you can't work out some kind of agreement or deal with him. He loves deals, and I would love to see a few Kytons around my neighborhood.

>>55377726
Don't even start using maps and give your group false hopes that you'll keep it up. Just shittily draw walls on roll20 and place some props like crates, tables and trees and shit.

I'm considering a campaign based in the Eberron setting or something similar, an element I would like to add is a self sufficient dungeon with shops, cities and the like spanning 30+ levels. Sort of like an optional dungeon crawling segement with ascending through the dungeon being one of the only ways to get out. Has anyone here done something similar?

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>>55377744
Who needs diversity when your greatest champion not only has a lush mane but also an incredible moustache?

>>55377302
The correct answer is asuras.

>>55368724

His freedom. But, the people who took it from him gave it back, and with it gave their friendship.

>>55377809
Nah- I just need 4 maps. Total. Then it's all easy-going from there.

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>>55377724
It's all about the chains, the eternity you spend if they win. It's important to focus on the fact that you break, becoming completely different than you were before. You become twisted and warped and the only way you can stop it is by winning. Others succumb and join the church, while everyone else are left in a pool of their own... fluids.


>>55377744
What a waste! What a shame! I'll be sure to-

I'm sure Zon'Kuthon would be more than happy to talk to Asmodeus and get some Kyton coverage out there soon! I'm sorry the way Devils do things are so poor. I personally can offer you some compensation in the mean time...

>>55377724
>>55377959
isn't that pretty much hellraiser?

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So PFG what class can make good use of Dragon Pistols?

>>55377996
There's literally a gunslinger archetype specifically built around Dragon Pistols. And it's actually really good - one of the only builds I've seen capable of churning out nonmagical AoEs.

>>55378041
Too bad it is only with the dragons breath rounds and not the normal scatter rounds, still not bad.

What're my odds of getting into Iron Lewds with a cow/minotaur girl futa built around grappling and using the mating press on absolutely every opponent possible?

>>55378444
Pretty good, you sick bastard. Now shut up and go away.

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Who /comfy village alchemy/ here?

>>55378466
That game looks like it has high-impact sexual violence.

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>>55378476
Only in Australia.

>>55378444
if you can stomach the pants on head retarded chargen you deserve to get in desu

>>55378476
Yeah, by a fat old man. Who cuts the slender boy MC's nuts off and puts him in a dress.

>>55378466
>You will never be the village herbalist

What's this "Avowed" thing that people keep talking about?

>>55378538
>tfw want to run a comfy villager game, but the combat heavy mechanics of pathfinder and the shit crafting makes it seem awful
Why must I want what I can't have?

>>55378558
Second pastebin in the OP.

>>55378558
It's basically a class that's entirely based around your relationship with another entity, whether that be your god, your lover, an outsider, etc.

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I'm still converting Constantinople to my Forgotten Realms / PF game.

The necromancer's tower will be located in the Galata district. The city's leadership made a deal with him centuries ago to build and protect the chain that guards the bay, not to experiment on too many human corpses, and pay his taxes. In return, they leave him alone.

The Elf Magus in the group will have his False Front located there to support the day-to-day operations of the cult and to build influence. I might also have him hunt Sahaugin for use as undead servitors, since they are not covered by the pact.

The dwarven district will be located in the Pempton area, between the inner and outer walls. The noise and smoke from the forges won't disturb the citizens too much. Most of it might be underground anyway. The Dwarf Ordained Defender in the group will have built his Altar to Dumathoin there it to build influence. This should prevent the PCs from interfering in each other's operations.

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCampaign/downtime/roomsAndTeams.html

>>55378570
This might seem crazy, but... have you tried not playing Pathfinder? But seriously, there are better systems for comfy shit.

>>55378648
I have, but it's hard to find people that want to play other systems AND play a comfy village game.

>>55378558
It's a 3pp dev's attempt at porting the 3.5e Warlock, and it's probably one of the better attempts. Again, though, check the pastebin in the OP like the other anon said, it has a link to it.

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https://twitter.com/JasonBulmahn/status/908031058897076224

So, Avowed...the playtest documents together are almost 140 pages long. For one class. Does Forrest really expect anyone to read all this shit?

>>55378768
Yes, but only during the summer.

>Almost 60 hours after app closure
>Assault on black shit GM still MIA
Now thats what I call a deep bamboozle

I'm still a noob. How do I make a good witch? What are some general tips, guidelines, and pitfalls that you could offer me? Imagine if I was going to join your group with this character.

>>55378810
It looks like players got picked

>>55378838

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Witch

Fag

>>55378838
Cackle and Slumber are memes that aren't nearly as effective as people make them out to be

Evil Eye and Misfortune are good though, as is Fortune, Swamp's Grasp, Healing, and Scar

>>55378768
Ignore the second playtest entirely.

>>55378520
>try to make character
>supposedly "classless" chargen except not really
>it's actually more constrictive, not less

Eeeh. I guess I pass.

>lots of fun shit in campaign setting and other side books
>GM only allows the core supplements
Gay

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>>55378466
Not anymore.

It's big city necromancy this month. There's also fire involved on the other side of the city.

>>55378862

I've seen people pair evil eye and cackle to try to debuff all the enemies in combat. Misfortune looks great, though.

>>55379055
Why is that Tien looking guy in the background transluscent?

>>55379069
It works because Evil Eye still has a 1 round duration even if they succeed at their save and that can be extended with cackle

BUT my experience has always been that the move action is too valuable

>>55379116

What do you use the move for?

>>55379129
Moving to other enemies to debuff them, moving away from combat, taking cover, etc.

>>55379104
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Savras

>>55379104
He got his shit fucked up and locked in a stick.
Because Mystra is a bitch.

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>>55379104
He is as clear as his messages.

>>55379182
He lost that fight on purpose.

>>55379234
it was probably so he could survive the great lore wipe.

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there we fucking go

>>55378847
Confirming, looks like lineup and scheduling has been confirmed.
>Arlik Sigulfssons
>Sascha Fischer
>Jacqueline B. Therevant
>Irida Ambergleam
>Lucia Henna Polley

GM also allowed communal extracts to affect multiple targets.
http://sketchtoy.com/68315910

>>55368724
Why is arcanist tier 1, but only a certain wizard archetype gets ranked that high? I feel like I'm missing something here

>>55378810
>I'm so butthurt about not being picked I will lie on the internet
What's it like being this stupid? What shitass app did you post anyways?

>>55379662
Same reason why pfs considers to be synthesist to be broken. Because they look at the class assume its going to be played at a certain level and cry bullshit.

They forget that while the level 20 captsone is indeed amazing, almost no one will get to use it. The small list of prepped spells means that while it will have better utility the the sorcerer, an equally optimized sorcerer outperforms it in enough situations to be competitive while providing similar utility with ring of spell storing/mnemonic vestment.

The other arcanist archetypes could have been amazing but Paizo decided to listen to the same group of people who thought quick runners shirt was bullshit and decided to nerf it into the ground.

>>55379710
But the tier list supposedly takes into account all levels, not just 20. Or at least, that's what the new one says it does, anyway

>>55379754
The arcanist is probably the worst of the three arcane full casters during rusty level shanktown. It has the fewest spells per day and has to spend his first exploit to even hope to catch up. Meanwhile the wizard will supplement lower levels with cheap scrolls thanks to scribe scroll while the sorcerer has lots of spells and probably a very high initiative score.

>>55379791
That's what I thought, which is why I originally asked if I was missing something. Arcanist just doesn't seem that amazing to me, until they have a few exploits to fall back on

Reminder to all tierlist nerds that Shaman with Wandering Hex: Lore is the strongest, and arcanist nerds should just go and stay go

>>55379811
Being a prepared caster (despite in a shitter way) is enough to edge the class into tier 1. That and it was written before the nerf came so archetypes seemed better then.

I suppose ease of use also helps since scrubs who have trouble preparing a specific list down to the castings are attracted to the class.

Has anyone had a GM that just doesn't seem to give out much in the way of gold rewards? I'm currently in a campaign that's gotten to level 12, but literally the only magical items I have are those I bought at character creation, since I started at level 10. No one else in the party seems to be able to get together enough money to better equip themselves either

>>55379886
Clearly he's telling you that you should've had a designated crafter in the party, or at least gotten Leadership for a cohort one. Oh, and obviously you need to start raiding random places for arbitrary golds more often so you can actually make that crafting happen.

>>55379886

Bring it up with him and inquire about how the rest of the party feels about it. It could be that everyone else is on board and you just weren't informed/aware. It could be fun to play like that if you know to lean into it.

>>55379919
>"This is a low magic setting so there are no magic items! wouldnt want casters to be more powerful than they already are! :-)"

>>55379662
All Wizards are Tier 1 anon.

I mean fuck, at least in the tier list I use - which could do with some updates that I'll try to get done on the weekend.

>>55379903
We don't have time to go and raid shit, it's non-stop shit thrown at us, often with time limits

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>>55379662
Because they are more versatile then a wizard.

>>55379662
>>55379811
The fuck are you on about that a wizard is somehow not tier 1. An Arcanist's obvious strength is ease of use, while wizards will probably end up with way more longevity if he plays his cards right, especially since he wouldn't have to haggle with his GM about whether Pearls of Power work.

>>55380008
I'm talking specifically about the newest tier list in the OP.

>>55379948
Have you pulled him aside and asked about it?
My DM did something similar, and told me straight up that the game was often under CR and he was backloading loot for when shit got real (and they did, full scale demon invasion).

>>55380026
You're reading it wrong.

>>55378810
Picks went out a few hours ago, anon.

I haven't been here in a week or two, Leakanon drop any new books?

>>55379966
Thumbnail look like she about to send a nigga to the shadow realm with a duel disk.

>>55379948
What sort of shit? Is it legitimately nothing that you could convert into decent amounts of dosh? Are you running around nonstop or do you at least have a base of operations?

Getting some kind of wank going with Leadership is probably a really good idea if you can at all manage it.

>>55380026
have you tried reading the entire pastebin instead of skipping to the end

>>55379754
Jesus christ, that Anon is retarded. Don't listen to him.

Arcanist is the strongest of the full caster come 6th level. You have the prep ability of a Wizard, with a fuckton of spell slots.

With Dimensional Slide, Potent Magic, and Quick Study you have defense, offense, and utility that no other caster can match.

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>>55379811
>>55379866
>>55379944
>>55379966
>>55380111
Sugoi, senpai-tachi

I hope I get them too!

>>55379886
hm, maybe he's sort of like me and prefers goods to gold?
did you cross path with fancy carpets, paintings, jars of spices, carved animal bones/tusks or anything like that?
loot everything that isn't bolted to the floor, that's what bags of holding are for

>>55380111
>What sort of shit?
Running errands for fuckers we're in debt to (through no real fault of our own mind you, GM forced a total party wipe fairly early on and then this group resurrected the party and put cursed rings on every character, including new people who joined in later like me), mostly.

>>55380202
>implying we can afford bags of holding
But in all seriousness, no I don't think that's the case. Any time someone tries to appraise any paintings or cutlery or other kinds of shit, it's always "oh they're probably worth a hundred gold or something"

>>55380228
>cursed rings
Does nobody have Remove Curse or some shit?

But of course, this all sounds like a horrible GM fucking you up the ass with his forced plot wank. You should either talk to him about it sternly, or start aggressively fucking his shit up the hardest you can.

Werewolves are fucking strong. Only reason we won against them was because I had silver weapons

>>55380244
A hundred gold or something?

Geez anon, why haven't you fucking WIPED CLEAN EVERY SINGLE PLACE YOU'VE GONE THROUGH? 100x a bunch of times equals a bunch of 100s. It's time for you to start making bank.

>>55380244
well anon, would you not take a purse of 100 gold if it was at your feet?

>>55380244
And again I seriously implore you to get Leadership going so you can make a nice big base of operations with your followers/cohorts making bank for you. If your GM is this much of an asshole to you, you've no excuse to not do the same back to him.

>>55380279
A purse? Sure. Ten pounds of unwieldy painting? Not so much

>>55380259
>the game isn't going the way I want it to
>better fuck it up!
Anon, you know this isn't sensible in the slightest?
Being "owned" is a challenge in and of itself, and from what I see here, is a part of the core idea of the game, rather than murderhobo adventures.
If the boss is a bad dude, subverting him and bringing him down from the inside is the word of the day.

>>55380289

He could probably get leadership tomorrow with retraining

10 * level * days = 10 * 12 * 5 = 900 gold Just grab about six of those 100 gold jars of spices and you're good.

>>55380300
>If the boss is a bad dude, subverting him and bringing him down from the inside is the word of the day.
This is what I'm trying, to be honest. Helps I'm playing the party face

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As someone who's had his share of stingy GMs not giving out wealth, what's /pfg/'s favorite method they've seen GMs do to keep WBL?

>>55380293
>ten pounds
it's nothing! doesn't anyone on your fucking team know to bring Ant Haul everywhere they go? Do you not have a single fucking Strength character in the party? Mounts with saddlebags? Secret Chest memes?

There's a TON of ways to loot places when you're that high level, and you should by all means be using every one of them.
>>55380300
That's one way to go about it, sure. But if the GM isn't good enough to allow other ways out, that's a problem - and if he actively stops you from using other ways out if you find them, he's a bad GM and probably an asshole.

You don't have to follow the GM's plan just because you can.
>>55380316
That's fair enough, but especially being the face you should get Leadership and some nice loot grab methodology going right away. Just because you're following the GM's plan doesn't mean you should suffer for it, rather the opposite.

>>55380293
disassemble it and put it in your backpack, carefully

>>55380316
Then what is the problem?
Are you constantly encountering things that would require purchased gear to deal with, to the point where you are unable to proceed?
There are no other groups you can hook up with on the side, or convince local crafters to give you a loan?

>>55380338
>You don't have to follow the GM's plan just because you can.
But why not, if you intend on playing the game?
If you want something with immutable rules whose expectations you can work, play a video game.
I trust my GM to do right by me, whereas you seem to hold yours in contempt if they don't run the game the way you want them to.

>>55380356
There's another group that is working against the one we're indebted to, but they're outright evil so unfortunately my CG bard wasn't a fan of joining up with them, and neither were the rest of the mostly good party.
As for what we need the wealth for, I dunno. We pull through almost all encounters by the skin of our teeth, and I just feel like sometimes it'd be nice if I had another wand or two for utility, or if the martials had a bit better armor or weapons.

>>55380356
It sounds to me more like the GM himself is making it difficult to do bookkeeping because he's too preoccupied with the story he's trying to tell. This is made even worse when sessions are ended while the players are in the middle of an operation, so even if they do loot a place there's no between-game downtime to say "okay we sell this stuff between games" because you're still in enemy territory or something.

>>55380410
If that's what you're looking for then ask your GM to start stocking enemy camps with spare wands, or maybe have a +whatever sword sitting pretty on a wall that they were using as a display of wealth and power, stuff like that that would make sense for the enemy to have but still will help you once it's yours.

>>55380410
So combat is tough, but manageable with the equipment you have?
Then it's not actually a problem outside of your expectations of cleaving to the book, anon.
And I don't mean other adventuring bads, I mean other organizations. Craft/merchant guilds and the like, especially if where you are going is in a location they need some work done in and can do it on the way.
I'd say that working within your restrictions is part of your challenge, and is so on purpose, see what you can do and where it leads.
Have some faith in your GM, mang.

>>55380409
That's not really what I'm getting at. Let me explain.

The game is a ship. As the GM, you're responsible for getting that ship to a suitable destination - the end of the campaign - with its load - the players - mostly intact. That is, without the players having a bad enough time that they just leave on you - which means preferably everyone having fun, the GM included.
Now as a GM you have literally every tool you can possibly imagine available to get the ship where you want it. Easiest is of course to just have someone at the wheel (railroading) but generally speaking that makes your players lack agency and thus not not enjoy themselves much. Thus you probably should resort to other means. Favorable winds or currents in a direction - the players are rewarded for going the way you want them, and get there easier. Threats of sea monsters - scare them away from other possibilities. You can do anything you want, but you will probably one way or another end up handing the wheel of the ship to the players rather early - because that's usually more fun. And that also means that inevitably, at some point the players are going to ignore your prodding and hints and carrots and sticks, and go (or try to go) in a completely unexpected direction, which might make them end up at a destination that appears drastically different from what you originally had in mind.

So what then?
You can stop them from doing it - take control of the wheel again - but again, that's generally less fun. You want everyone to get to do what they want! So instead you have to improvise, while also accepting and rolling with the improvisation of your players (who, unlike you, don't have a game script to follow).

Metaphors are getting big here, but basically; a good GM is one who knows how to both let his players run the ship, and how to get the ship where he wants; and even if he doesn't get it exactly where he wants, he knows how to improvise well enough that everyone is happy in the end.

>>55380244
buy. a. mule.
(and a cart)

>>55380541

Where are they going to get the gold to buy such things in the first place, especially if they can't lug around a bag of spices every time they see some?

>>55380523
You are saying that a GM should not put the players in disadvantageous situations, even if they are entirely manageable (and this one is, the anon said it himself) because not allowing full freedom is bad GM'ing?
Do you run games? Next, you'll complain about GMs who don't roll everything in the open.

>>55380321
what exactly are you asking? the breakdown of howmuch wealth should be allocated to specific things?

IIRC no more than 15% of your WBL should be allocated to consumables (scrolls, wands, potions, oils), no more than 25% should be spent on any given item.

Wealth by level is never something that should be "used up" or /permanently/ diminished, if your character WBL is say 10000, and you have 1500 worth of potions/ammo/whatever the cracker and you use that all up, you're not expected to permanently stay at 8500 gold for the rest of that level; the expectation is that you'll over time re-coup that money.

It's also worth semi-tossing WBL aside for some things... particularly if they don't provide combat benefit (or the opportunity to make a ton of money). It's okay for your level 1 character to own a wagon or something that they travel around in, as long as they stow it at [guildhouse] they're affiliated with when it's not in use to travel to next adventure.

>>55380563
prostitution
or maybe crafting during travel time

>>55380293
>Ten pounds of unwieldy painting?
Disassemble the frame, roll the painting carefully and put it in a scroll case. toss the frame in the wagon.

Is Ley Line Guardian (Witch) a good archetype?

I'm scurred about playing a prepared caster and am debating between this and a sorc.

>>55380581
I do run games. And I fully understand the time and place of when you want to roll things openly and not.
Disadvantageous situations is not the point here. Some of this has been invalidated because of anon telling us more about his situation, sure; I was initially assuming his GM was more of an asshole than he perhaps is. My point is, when you're running a game, your players should be mostly fine with the shit you put them through - because obviously, otherwise they're not gonna be happy you or the game. This doesn't equate to "easy mode all day" - in fact, rather the opposite, because people generally enjoy challenges. But the fundamental issue is that you need to understand (which usually involves talking and listening to) your players, and maneuver your ship accordingly. If the players are underequipped/underleveled/otherwise underpowered for the stuff you want to throw at them, you should probably give them some means of powering up before you start throwing said stuff at them more often than a boss fight (or other thing that's acceptably rare and harder than other things to clear). Now if that means is random loot, strategic loot that gives you just THAT thing, money to buy and craft THAT thing, or something else - of course depends on your situation.

This is getting long and I should probably stop ranting.

>>55380650
If this is your first time playing a full caster, I definitely recommend going for sorcerer instead - it has a much lower bar to mastery than a prepared caster, so long as you keep in mind to only add relatively versatile spells to your spells known list.

that said, any Witch that gets its full allotment of hexes (particularly the debuffs) is quite good, and ley line guardian is good if you really want to be charisma based. If you're concerned about the survivability of your familiar/spellbook, I recommend looking at the Mirror Witch archetype in Villain Codex, as it'll replace your familiar with a magic mirror that gives you a direct link to your patron..

>>55380650
>>55380717
Ley Line Guardian Witch still uses Int as the spellcasting base, you know. The Hexes are also int based. It's Seductress Witch that uses Charisma.

>>55380700
>I was initially assuming his GM was more of an asshole than he perhaps is
This is why I am calling you out.
You immediately jumped to a worst case scenario in absence of proof of such, and proceeded to sperg out with That Guy level advice. It seems to be a /tg/ staple to assume that the GM MUST BE SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SHIT and the response is to try and troll/ruin their game.
I've run plenty of games, and put players into all kinds of shitty situations because the game is about succeeding in the face of opposition. OP had a tough situation, asked for advice. The proper advice is "Talk to your GM", not "CRASH HIS CAMPAIGN WITH NO SURVIVORS!". Then, he proceeds to say that he doesn't even know what he needs gold for, since what they are dealing with, while challenging, is still well within their capability, which means there isn't a problem other than his expectations not being met.
>stop ranting
It would be best, I think, unless OP has something else to add.

>>55380749
Woop. Well, shows me for posting an hour past when I should have been in bed - I'm going to sleep.

>>55380650
The big advantage of Ley Line guardian Witch over sorcerer is Hexes. They get most of their hexes, and the two they give up are lesser hexes that increase their caster level by 1d4 for the next spell at the risk of sickening (worth it).

>>55380650
It's definitely an arch worth trying out, imo! LLG has some definite upsides, but suffers from some certain issues as well. It does well to know what exactly you're trading away and what you're gaining.
>>55380717
First, it's reliant on CHA as well as INT. Double mental stat reliance isn't generally something you can afford easily in your pointbuy. Secondly, you need good fort saves to use the caster level boost effectively.
Third, you have generally fewer spells that actually benefit super much from the CL boost than a sorcerer does (generally this is blasting), and also less ways of getting even more benefits from it (arcana etc).

Now that said, there are ways to use it very well, and especially if you have more than just 1pp in play spellwise. Hexes are always a really valuable tool. Your main comparison vs the sorcerer is basically boiling down to:
What's better for your idea, Patron Spells or Bloodline Spells? Do you need the sorcerer-only spells, or can you use the slightly smaller witch list for your idea? Are the witch hexes good and versatile enough over a bloodline?

Think these through and work it out. I played an LLG witch and it was fun times.

>>55380753
It's a /tg/ meme for a reason, though. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there were a LOT of red flags for That GM-ery in the first few posts.

Still, that's whatever. Looks like we got through another crisis by means of "talking to each other", eh? :^)

>>55380812
>there were a LOT of red flags for That GM-ery in the first few posts
Only if you assume the GM is incompetent because a single player is complaining about something as banal as "not enough money".
Go kill yourself, faggot cumdumpster. Make sure to point the shotgun at your temple, with luck, the kick will make you miss and you can suffer for a few hours before bleeding out.
>:3c

>>55380850
Shouldn't you be in bed, anon? You're going to have to go to school in a few hours.

>>55380850
And may your wife's angry kittens claw your balls off while you're watching her get boned by your dog too, anon.

> be part of 5 man party
> after a few game years get land and secret scrolls from a lost dungeon
> make my own wizard tower and dungeon
> other pcs are curious to what is inside
> joke about it having my hoard of loot
> months later in game we stop evil Drow guy from enslaving a city
> we raid his keep and made off with loot and delicious Drow prisoners to give to ponsy elves to gain favor
> I ended up with a few Drow slaves of my own thanks to haggling and loads of gold
> end up spending more time in my tower with my slaves
> joke about fucking them and shit
> soon we enter in a war against some religious crusaders
> we decide we need an army so I ended up making loads of clockwork troopers
> minmaxer says we need more funds and tells me to sell all the shit I have stored in my tower
> tell him to fuck off
> he goes into my tower without my knowledge by using a couple of genies and Devils to help him get inside
> finds a door guarded by slaves armed with flamethrowers but he takes them out and opens the locked door
> hundreds of fleshwarped clowns swarm and kill him
> they break out and begin to tear apart everything
> party wonders why I made them
> I'm not sure myself
> campaign devolves into kingdoms uniting against an ever growing tide of fleshwarped undead clowns

How bad did I fuck up?

>>55380994
So you made killing floor?

Sup /pfg/, last thread I was talking about making an antimage sort and someone mentioned the overwatch style feats - well, I made characters who use it - basically the same character, but one as a Slayer and the other, a Fighter. I know this isn't the absolute 100% best I could do (probably wanna be a human for that, not to mention the needlessly high int) but I made a few RP choices as well; also, it goes without saying, the item purchases are just preliminary for now - the whole thing is,really. You can see the concentration checks required near the items,in the "story notes" section.Any suggestions?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y_rOy8nqvWqhezriURxNtFXRrRTRlGvY2WHodPpjlmY/edit?usp=sharing
>the Slayer build

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y_rOy8nqvWqhezriURxNtFXRrRTRlGvY2WHodPpjlmY/edit?usp=sharing
>the Fighter build

yes, the god's name is lifted straight from Warhammer Fantasy - Skaven are apparently the only fleshed out ratmen in fantasy.

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What happens if something triggers to give you the ability to take the Overrun action while you're standing still? Say, a Siegebreaker fighter bull rushes someone from standing, which triggers an overrun attempt.

Do you just start using your movement to go over them?

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What traits should a Bard Negotiator, pimp who owns/works in a Bath-House/Opium Den with an instinct for profit have?

>>55381101
Yep.

Killing floor clown edition.

>>55381101
no
he made SS13
HONK

What are the difference between a Skald and a Bard?

Psyarm or Augblade?

>>55378768
Do people really read everything at once when they play a new class? I just get the gist of how the class works(class features) and then just select spells options and stuff that look relevant to me/ask on here.

>>55381450
Skalds are better at fight and magic, and focusing into one thing.
Bards are better at skills and versatility, and multitasking/being a jack-of-all-trades.

Personally I like Skalds better.

>>55381810
Bards also have slightly better mind control game, since they get Suggestion/Fascination etc as performances.

>>55371082
>>55371092
>>55371138
So what makes a class appealing interesting to you, /pfg/? How could something like Spellburst Savant set itself apart?

>>55381840
What makes a class appealing to me is if I look at the progression chart, and the class gains something every level. I look at the wizard, and it looks absurdly boring to me because it's just spells on a chasis, without that many class features. Meanwhile, I look at something like the Path of War classes, and I gain something new and exciting every level, as well as more usage of the classes "Power System" (Spells, Maneuvers, Powers, Binding, ect.)

>>55381875
I think that might be an issue more with you than with the class.
When I look at the wizard, I see an impactful magic crafting/metamagic/spell-enhancing feat at every odd level. I see frequent new spell levels, giving me new abilities and more use and utility from old ones.

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>>55374708
Yo I really like that, not super sure on that dodge one though, cause at my low level it might be a drawback

>>55368724
I am playing an asmodean advocate cleric that lives in a city and works as a lawyer. The DM has said that will use the Verbal duel system for jury trials.
What's the best way to optimize for it, /pfg/ ?

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http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Expended%20Lightning%20Gun

Is this item at-will? Can a 6th level character pay 15,000 gp for this to have an at-will 10d12 electricity damage ranged touch attack?

>>55382369
>can a 6th level character spend nearly all of their money on a single item
No, because unless you start at 6th level there's no way you will actually have all that in gold to actually pay for. Not to mention you probably can't just go to your local magic mart and find such a specific magical weapon.

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>>55382369
>>55382430
>Not just building it yourself
Do you even arcane power?!

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>>55382430

6th-level wealth is 16,000 gp.

The expended lightning gun costs 15,000 gp.

>>55382482
Yes, that is essentially all your wealth at that level and unless you've some how spent less than 1000 Gp and just have 15,000 worth of gold lying around, you can't afford it.
>>55382469
>any GM worth a damn letting you craft magic items.

>>55382369
Yes, if the DM allows it.

They probably won't.

New thread:

>>55382988
>>55382988
>>55382988
>>55382988
>>55382988
>>55382988

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Hey so I got somewhat of a dilemma

I'm playing a level 2 Duskblade in 3.5, but my DM just approved me for a Stalker from the path of war from pathfinder. Now I can either begin crossclass into it, or just redo my character and go for 3 levels of the stalker

And I was the one asking about recreating Baiken
>>55382314
>>55374417
and I'm gonna be doing this >>55374708

The DM said I could remake my character using this if I came in with the new character sheet to support it and proper source material which is the east part, but I'm just wondering if I should dip into it, or say fuck my duckblade and go full Bushi Stalker

>>55382482
pretty sure you're not supposed to spend more than 75% of your wealth in a single item

>>55381875
Wizard spells are their class features, however, and they are anything but boring.

>>55383158
You're not supposed to if you begin at level 6, but a player going up from level 1-2 can reasonably save up for such an item.

>>55383158
>pretty sure you're not supposed to spend more than 75% of your wealth in a single item
[citation needed]

>>55383614
i'm pretty sure i read that once near the "starting wealth above 1st level" table, but i can't find it anymore, so... my bad?

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Just getting into Pathfinder. People tell me that it's a lot more customizable and, if you know the rules well enough, will allow you to make almost any character.

How does one make a good-aligned Undead wielder?

Essentially, my character is a being that wants to make an army of light by reviving all of the greatest heroes from across the lands. However, I can't find a non-evil way of using undead? Best I can find is Neutral who specializes in evil magics.

Anyone help a newb out?