EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55352364
Kodama's Reach.
Nourishing Shoal in Modern.

>>55352364
Thread Question: Desperate Ritual

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>>55352364
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Kodama's Reach

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>>55352364
building reki legendary tribal and trying to find a place for this thing.

>>55352491
Seems pretty spicy for Gonti!

>>55352491
i am always amazed when I see a card I have never seen before.

This thing is fucking great.

>>55352364
Floodbringer has been useful to me in the past and there are some neat build-around cards.

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>>55352531
>>55352508
It has a functional reprint. I run it in Gonti, actually. Alongside Spine of Ish Sah.

>>55352364
Are there enough good Green spirits to make a Kodama deck?

>>55352364
>Thread Question: What do you use out of this much-maligned block? Hardmode: No Jitte or Top. Supreme Hardmode: Nonlegendary.
Kokusho
Kodama's Reach
Jitte
Top

>>55352364
>Blazing Shoal pitching Angry Akroma
Easiest Kalemne kill of my life

>>55352695
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?type=+[spirit]||subtype=+[spirit]&color=+@([G])

>>55352784
Anon, i did that right after I asked.

I was just hoping someone could say, nah its not good, or its worth trying.

>>55352364
>What do you use out of this much-maligned block?
Easy mode: Fucking Top in every deck I'll ever make again except Gaddock Teeg.
Hard mode: Hokori and Kokusho, the latter as a commander.
Anon Must Die mode: Kodama's Reach, Footsteps of the Goryo, Ghostly Prison :^)
Hell, maybe more, but those are off the top of my head. I kinda dig Kamigawa.

>>55352364
>much-maligned block
Kalitas

Oh wait not that block
Ghostly prison and hall of the bandit lord

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>ayo gurl
>want sum fuk

>>55352837
>Ghostly Prison :^)
whats wrong with prison?

>>55352975
Holy shit I want that spicy latino dancing pirate

>>55352808
My Reki deck has a solid spirit subtheme. It isn't as bad as you'd think.

Hana Onna does work. I'd give it a shot.

>>55352975
>repeateble Act of Treason
I like this card

>>55352975
Wow. That is the most straight forward and cheapest repeatable act of treason I've ever seen. I could easily see this being good in EDH.

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>>55352987
Not a damn thing, I was just seeing if anyone forgot it was originally a Kamigawa card. Kamigawa Prison is best art to boot.

>>55352692
You're a madman but I like it

>>55352975
The sorcery thing is a big drawback but this would become a total staple otherwise.

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Best commander for storm?

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>>55352364
>What do you use out of this much-maligned block? Hardmode: No Jitte or Top. Supreme Hardmode: Nonlegendary.
thanks to some anon from like 50 threads ago
this card does so much work in group hug

>>55353179
>Best commander for storm?
kess
jeleva
zur

ive seen jund and bug storm work well too

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Does this work the way I think it does?

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Should I build

Beckett Brass thieving agro pirates

Or

Akiri clue/treasure/gold spam with tons of mana rocks and MLD

>>55353313
its not in the yard as its being discarded
you would need two salvages

>>55353179
Dralnu is OG style
Kess is easy mode
Mairsil is maximum fun

>>55353314
youdontgetthedivintitycounter/10
otherwise id build the blue one

>>55353324
What? Where is it then? Still in your hand? There is no zone inbetween.

>>55353313
Jund lands.dec general when

>>55353308
>>55353329
i'll practice a bit with Kess and then build Dralnu and Mairsil when i get the hang of the mechanic, thanks buds

building isamaru because fuck your shit

Very few kamigawa cards, kodama's reach and glimpse of nature in karametra. Graceful adept and azami in azami.

And then I have 2 decks with no kamigawa cards at all. I own a sensei's top but I don't like playing with the card, it's tedious. Don't own a jitte but I probably wouldn't play it cuz I don't attack much with creatures

>>55353339
I wasn't talking about the myojin

>>55353350
>Still in your hand
either that or in limbo as the ability is being resolved
you cant target sharuum with herself aterall

>>55353650
There is no fucking limbo. Sharuum can't target herself because she's on the battlefield when her ETB ability triggers and you have to declare targets as the ability goes on the stack.

>>55353031
Yasova already wants him in her harem.

>>55352364
What are commanders that need to exist but don't already?

Stuff like
>Jund Lands
>Jund -1/-1
>Mardu knights/warriors/samurai
>Izzet artifacts
>Sultai Oozes/Snakeish things
>Selesnya/Bant Enchantress
>Gruul Werewolves

>>55353650
Sharuum can target herself if she dies to state based effects you fucking goon. Also dakmor salvage is in the graveyard and triggers the frogs draw before any damage is dealt

Read a book nigger.

>>55353516
derp

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>>55353837
>Read a book nigger.
you cant make me

>>55353806
BUG Elves. I kinda wanted to do it with Leovold but he got banned before I could really figure the list out. I also want a not-Blackbeard pirate commander. Admiral Granny just doesn't do it for me.

>>55352364
kodama's reach is in all my decks with green
Reki and Honor-Worn Shaku are in my Atraxa
with oath of nissa + shaku my planeswalkers are 5c mana rocks
also jitte and top
>>55353044
I used to really like the other art but looking at this more you're right

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>>55353481
Step it up, nigga

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>>55353895
Wrong.

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>>55352364
>What do you use out of this much-maligned block?

Supreme Hardmode: Sakura-tribe Elder. I have a misprinted one with red/pink splotch on it that looks like falling cherry blossoms. It's just so perfect, and one of my favorite cards I own, something I would never trade.

Hardmode: Prerelease Ryusei the Falling Star. Makes a pretty good boardwipe in my Intet Dragon Tribal deck.

Easymode: No-Dachi makes an appearance in any deck that uses equipment, because I am a shameless Japanophile.

Quick question, anyone have that Kami of the Crescent Moon pic from a while back? Something like ARCANE LAB STASIS ARCANE LAB STASIS PLEASE MAKE IT STOP or something similar. I need it for a friend.

When in mean mode, Yosei + Gift of Immortality + Sac outlet. Target the next opponent in line on each player's turn.

8.5 tails in a swords paint everything white deck.

Tatsumasa, the Dragon's Fang is a borderline Equipment tutor target for decks with Godo/SFM that can cheat it onto the battlefield.

SDT is personally limited to decks like Azusa+Oracle of Mul Daya decks that can use it for obviously beneficial plays.

Not in EDH, but Eiganjo Freeriders in a white ETB deck. Recasting SFM/Lone Missionary/Wall of Omens/Kor Cartographer/etc. Similarly, Sosuke's Summons/Sakura-Tribe dorks/Seshiro in a Snake deck with Beastmaster's Ascension. Loam Dweller/Elder Pine of Jukai/Kodama of the South Tree/Traproot Kami in a Mono Green spirits deck with Nissa, Vital Force and Primal Bellow. I also want to make a Jeskai Arcane Heroic deck using multitarget Arcane cards like Unearthly Blizzard and cheap targeting Splice cards with Battlefield Thaumaturge/other heroic creatures, but I haven't put a list together yet.

>>55353806
>an interesting Boros commander that isn't Brion

>>55354145
Basandra is interesting, just not good.

>>55353806
>Jund land guy
>Whenever a forest ETBs, get 1 mana
>Whenever a mountain ETBs, deal 2 damage
>Whenever a swamp ETBs, everyone loses 1 life

My dream

>>55354247
2 damage to any target is pure BS unless it is uncastably bad.

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>>55354131
Found it myself, I almost forgot about the archive. Arcane Lab + Forbid makes much more sense.

>>55354247
Make the mountain landfall hit only creatures and we're good.

>>55352975
One pirate wench, is that too much to ask? It wasn't that long ago we had Crossway Vampire.

That said this is a pretty great card. True, have to have all the mana to make it an insurrection but... heck with it, that's good enough.

Also, Flavor text must always be read in a Jamaican accent.

>>55353273
>People remember me singing the praises of Moonring Mirror

I am so glad to see that. As fragile CA engines go, it really has its place.

>>55353718

That is incorrect, sharuum can target herself because abilities are put onto the stack after state based actions are checked

>>55354387
>draw 3 cards per turn
>exile cards
>get all my wincons every game
needs to stick around at least a few turns though
people have gotten wise to it and destroy it on sight now :(

>>55354367
it's been six years since crosswsy vampire tho, I'm certain if they had printed her in one of the recent sets she would have been "yelling vampire".

>>55354247
1BGR
extra land per turn
once per turn you can play a land from your yard
you can sacrifice a land to destroy target nonbasic land
3/3

>>55352975
what are some cards that let me sac creatures for value

>>55354459
I am really fucking glad you morons don't have a say in card design.

>>55353952
That busted my bootyhole something fierce. They made him too abusable which is sad. He had some cool decklist that weren't just raping hands.

>>55354145
But what would it be? Red and white have such little overlap beyond weenies aggro and equipment? I know a lot of people say spellslinger but I don't see it. Best I can think of is some sort of HateBears/punisher effect or stax.

>>55354247
That seems really rough to actually make work. You'd want him out early to get the most out of him but those seem super strong. So I guess RBG1 for those abilities stapled to a 0/1.

Or maybe instead of ETB you could make it a sac trigger and have can play extra land on turn?

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>>55354461
Do you really need us for this? Just go on EDHrec for Brion or Yasova. I'm gonna just suggest jank.

>>55354461
Depending on what else you need...

Ashnod's Altar
Phyrexian Altar
Goblin Bombardment
Attrition
Malevolent Awakening
Viscera Seer

>>55354461
ashnods altar, phyrexian altar, vampiric rites, burnt offering, birthing pod.

>>55353273
>>55354387

Really, it does it's job? Seems like it would be too fragile, something to autotarget. I was considering using, but passed it off as an auto target, but maybe I'll reconsider it.

>>55354247
>>55354247

1BGR

Legendary Creature - Elemental Shaman

Haste

>Tap, sacrifice a land: add two mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool.

>BGR, tap: return target land card from your graveyard to the battlefield.

2/3

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hi

>>55354667
Reminder that magic christmasland of him + inalla + panharmonicon + flameshadow will kill everyone who has under 46 life.

If Ramos is out with a Corpsejack Menace and a Winding Constrictor while I cast Jund Charm, the max Ramos could get from it is 14 +1/+1s, right?

>>55354699

Jund charm is 3 colors, 3 + 1 is 4, double that is 8, where are you getting 14?

>>55352364
Kodama's Reach
Crack the Earth
Akki Blizzard-Herder
Ashes of the Fallen
Blood Clock
Budoka Gardener
Commune with Nature
Death of a Thousand Stings
Final Judgment
Freed from the Real
Ghost-Lit Redeemer
Ghost-Lit Stalker
Ghost-Lit Warder
Ghostly Prison
Hair-Strung Koto
Hinder
Honor-Worn Shaku
Imi Statue
Mark of Sakiko
Mirror Gallery
Mistblade Shinobi
Nature's Will
Neko-Te
Night Dealings
Ninja of the Deep Hours
Orb of Dreams
Ornate Kanzashi
Otherworldly Journey
Reduce to Dreams
Reverence
Ronin Warclub
Sosuke's Summons
Soulblast
Splinter
Squelch
Swirl the Mists
Thoughts of Ruin
Time Stop
Twincast
Uba Mask
Shoals
Epic spells
Arcane splice engine in copy-heavy decks

>>55354789
Reading Jund Charm?

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>>55354667
>throwing this guy through a sac outlet with Mike and Cauldron of Souls
My group's fucking face when

>>55354941
Just gotta make sure you don't kill yourself first

>>55354802

Ghost-lit redeemer? Seriously? That card is not edh playable

>>55354789
Jund Charm itself adds 2. Charm +1, then doubled, is Six. Ramos ability +1, then doubled, is Eight. Six and Eight is fourteen, seems correct.

If I have a Vedalken Orrery can I activate sorcery speed abilities at any time, or is "your turn, you have priority, stack is empty," rather than "You theoretically have a sorcery in your hand and could theoretically play it."

>>55354933

Oh lol, I forgot about that mode, only ever used the gy exile and pyroclasm

Yeah so 14

>>55354945
>Not wanting to become known internationally as the "Invincible Loser"
Why play at all?

>cauldron dance
>dirtcowl wurm
Somebody stop me

>>55354969

Vedalken orrery and leyline of anticipation do not affect abilities

>>55354991
Stop.

>>55354247
>Cue complaining about how expensive it is to build his manabase because you're ODing on duals.

>>55354690
Don't need that many tokens of him being produced, and after the 3rd trigger the amount of life he removes on ETB will be miniscule.

>>55354948
I use it in decks with lifegain triggers as an extra way to trigger them.

>>55354479
What, you don't like the most busted jund legendary in forever?

>>55352364
forbidden orchard
sakura tribe elder
kokusho
kodama's reach

>>55355009

46 life
-16=30
-10=21
-7=14
-5=9
-3=6
-2=4
-2=2
-1=1
-1=0

So from 46 life you need 9 triggers to kill somebody

From 40 life
40
-14=26
-9=17
-6=11
-4=7
-3=4
-2=2
-1=1
-1=0

From 40 life you need 8 triggers

>>55355076

Whoops my math is bad on the first one

>>55355076

46-16=30
-10=20
-7=13
-5=8
-3=5
-2=3
-1=2
-1=1
-1=0

Still 9 triggers

>>55354991

You mean storm cauldron? I'm not seeing a synergy with cauldron dance

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Coming back with a zombie tribal question from yesterday. Anyone playing it? How's it going? Any tips? Considering the Wondertwins as commander

Can any combo fags fill me in on if there's an infinite combo that makes infinite artifact tokens? Infinite myr, infinite servo, infinite clues, infinite thopters, etc anything like that.

Only color I don't have access to is green.

>>55355187
breya + nim deathmantle + krak clan ironworks/ ashnods altar should give you infinte thopters

>>55355187
Myr Propagator+Mana Echoes+a haste outlet eventually goes infinite, right away if you have other two Myr up

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Do they mean face up? Otherwise you'd have to mess with sleeves and stuff?

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Which site has more useful tools for deck analysis and building? Tappedout, deckstats or maybe something else?

>>55355187
Thopter Foundry+Sword of the Meek if you have infinite mana.

>>55355187
Thopter foundry+Sword of the meek+Ashnod, the easiest one

>>55354976
>>55354959

It's been weird how this Ramos Deck went from a pretty Timmy heavy deck but has become a Command+Charm Cascade Spellslinging deck.

>>55355135
Yeah, that's the one!

>>55355274
>>55355273
Right on, is there anything else I should run that can also combo with these cards?

>>55355376
Time Sieve, my dude, the usual Sharuum kit. Maybe the guys why deal damage when artifats are put onto the battlefield/to GY

>>55355256
EDHREC

>>55355341
Right? Like, I already had a charm deck, and after seeing all this I think Ramos needs to be in command now.

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>>55355254
>not using the actual parley mechanic
SHIT
ITS SHIT!

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>>55355399
Got your wincon right here

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>>55355187

I need waifu commanders in W, B, or R colors. Mono is fine and any color combo in those colors is fine. She just has to be hot since im a pathetic loser and touching cardboard women is as close as ill ever get.

what are some good win cons for mono blue?

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>>55355187

>>55355401
Well, I see no deckbuilder here

>>55355528
labman

>>55355528
grindclock + mind over matter + a butt ton of cards

>>55355187
Catlady gets you infinite Artifact Felidar Guardians for one turn at least.

>>55353952
I want BUG Elves and Fairies
>>55354299
>>55354337
>>55354517
How about
>Forest: Gain 1 mana (hell, maybe even life instead)
>Mountain: 1 damage to target creature
>Swamp: All players lose one life

>>55355566
>butt ton
its going to take like 30 cards to mill out the table
you should be able to win with 30 cards in your hand without that jank

>>55355254
Obviously it's face up. If they were face down, it would be stated specifically so.

>>55355341
How would you build Ramos Dragonstorm? Just cantrips of various colors+guild charms+commands+dragon charms and +1/+1 tech?

>>55355579
Sold, I'd play it. Maybe give it a tap ability that fetches a basic too.

Also the amount of damage on the mountain landfall isn't very relevant since I'd be running deathtouch/lifelink sources for sure.

>>55355519
>W: Nahiri, the Lithomancer; Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero; Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
>B: Ghoulcaller Gisa; Liliana, Heretical Healer; Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
>R: Ashling, the Pilgrim; Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh; Akroma, Angel of Fury

>WB: Teysa, Orzhov Scion; Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim; Selenia, Dark Angel
>BR: Olivia Voldaren; Lyzolda, the Blood Witch; Tsabo Tavoc
>RW: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight; Depala, Pilot Exemplar; Archangel Avacyn

>RBW: Queen Marchesa; Licia, Sanguine Tribune; Akiri, Line-Slinger / Tymne the Weaver

>>55355519
Kaalia waifu tribal with all the angels.

>>55355254
Why the fuck would you have to mess with sleeves? Face-down isn't a state of a dual-faced card.

But as >>55355660 said. If it doesn't say "face-down," then they're always face-up.

>>55355756
Because you can exile from multiple players' graveyards.

If you exiled them face down you'd be able to tell the cards apart by sleeve.

>>55355756
To clarify; a dual-faced card can be turned face-down or manifested, but it isn't treated as its transformed side. It's just a 2/2 no ability creature.
Also, if it was manifested and has the chance to flip itself, that's morphing, not transforming. Abilities won't trigger off of it.

>>55355836
Ooooh. That makes sense. But, yeah. Would've said face-down.

>>55355341
Ramos is basically charms tribal as far as I'm concerned after seeing this list a while ago:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rain-of-salt-ramos-dragon-engine/

>>55352692
>Umbilicus came out before Blood Clock
>It's a functional reprint

I'm on to you, time traveler!

>>55355579
Jund is all about survival of the fittest and eating stuff, what about this?

3RBG
Legendary Creature - Elemental
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may sacrifice a creature you control, put X +1/+1 counters on target land you control, where X is that creature's converted mana cost, that land becomes an Elemental creature, it's still a land.
Sacrifice a Mountain: Elementals you control get Haste
Sacrifice a Forest: Elementals you control get Trample
Sacrifice a Swamp: Elementals you control get Deathtouch
4/4

>>55355702
Think ill go with either Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief or Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

>>55354667
Gary's long lost brother

>>55356064
high risk high reward
I like it
rip boardwipes

>>55356064
Synergizes with Omnath and Titania and it fits with WotC's obsession with making Jund only about sacrificing things. I like it

>>55356124
Since you're running a thing that dumps loads of lands in your graveyard i guess you can include plenty of ways to get them back like Titania or Splendid Reclamation or Crucible or the new crucible on a stick

>>55355187

Wurmcoil engine, non deathmantle, ashnod's altar/krark-clan ironworks

>>55356100
Drana works best as draw-go control. Lyzolda works best for aristocrats.

>>55352364
>Thread Question
Big fan of Ornate Kinzashi and Uba Mask

>>55356136
To be fair, sacrifice is one of the few things that red, black, and green have in common.

>>55352364
>thread question
In Azusa I've got Azusa, Budoka Gardener and Hall of the Bandit Lord, Miren, Mikokoro and Boseiju, in Ruric I'm running Godo, Hidetsugu, Zo-Zu, Dosan and Sakura Tribe Elder.

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>>55355519
How do you feel about feminine penis?

Also Basandra.

>>55356064
I'm thinking about it and the Landfall trigger seems a bit too limited. Unless you have tons of creatures sitting around it doesn't do much when you get multiple lands per turn.
I'm changing it to:
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, target land you control becomes a 3/3 Elemental creature until end of turn, it's still a land.
Makes more sense to me at least.

Any suggestions for my Kruphix deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-09-17-kruphix-edh/

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>>55356564
forbid

>>55356564
Genesis wave, kozilek the great distortion, kozilek, butcher of truth, mystic snake. dictate of kruphix.

Need some help with this list. I decided to actually put some of the mana dorks in for even more ramp but I'm sitting at 102 right now. Not sure if I really need the dorks, If I don't need that much land, or what to cut.

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>>55356730
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/around-elves-watch-yourselves-1/
Plus I have brain problems and didn't link the list.

>>55356741
I'd take out Wren's hunt packmaster, jagged-scar archers, elvish soulteller and wolf-skull shaman. they seem pretty underwhelming to be honest.

>>55356873
Anything you think I should add?

>>55356873
**elvish soultiller

>>55356890
patriarchs bidding as a replacement for soultiller, demonic tutor.

>>55356741

I'd definitely skip Boreal Druid even at a 1 drop Mana dork, you have enough other dorks and sources of mana.

Arbor Elf only untap a forests meaning all your other nice lands can't be untapped by it.

I like Argothian Elder myself, decent card that you can get a ton of use out of.

I'm torn on Elves of Deep Shadows. You don't have a ton of black, but that extra mana fixing could be nice.

so what are the commanders of pure jank?

we have mairsil the jank leader who did he dethrone?

>>55353179
>>55353308
>>55353329
wort the raidmother for memes

what are the best colors for a royalty theme?

maybe knights tribal too

>>55353179
Dralnu is what real niggas play

>>55357056
RWB because queen marchesa
probably white red for knights? fuck if i know

>>55357091
A lot of the good knights are in black, so Marchesa for those too.

Commander Duel Decks, Greven vs Eesha when?

>>55357155
>commander
>duel
Never ever

>>55357155
i like the idea but hate the idea because it'll make it seem like wizards supports cedh

>>55357167
>>55357172
I suppose we can make it a threesome with Zhou Yu.

>>55357091
>>55357107
marchesa kinda seems bad, are there any ways to make an enemy the monarch?

>>55357056
>>55357091
>>55357107

Queen Marchesa is literally the best choice for a Royalty Deck with a Knigt Subtheme.

>>55357228
>are there any ways to make an enemy the monarch?

You have deathtoucher. Tell one of your opponents to do something, take out an enchantment or a particularly tricky to deal with creature or something, and in exchange you'll let them take Monarch from you. And most likely they'll let you take it back when you attack with one of your Assassin Tokens, because it's only one damage.

You have to play politics for Queen Marchesa, long may she reign.

>>55357297
oh I didnt realize they got free draws

okay thats pretty gud I just thought monarch was a state that only effected cards in play like expirience counters

alright shes a pretty gud waifu, ill play cersei edh

>>55356998
Yeah, Argothian seems good with Wirewood Lodge and Golgari Rot Farm.

>>55353313
Yes, but you would need an oldrazi or some way to shuffle back in at some point.

Is seagate oracle a good source of draw in Inalla or is it precon fodder clogging up edhrec?

>>55357648
Almost anything that nets you card will never be a dead card in this game. Unless it costs a bajillion mana and you don't play green of course

>>55357648

It's a great card in my opinion

>>55357667
>>55357677
It's basically foresee right? Scry 4 draw 2 without the keywords.

Trying a casual, moderately budget Cromat deck, themed around cycles and multi-colored.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chromatic-cromat/

1. I'm not sure if my mana base is good enough. I used to have all 10 signets in, but that seemed like overkill. Not sure if I should remove something to move 5 in.
2. I currently have the shard and wedge charm cycles; should I drop one of them to make room for other stuff, and/or should I swap one of them for the Dragon Charm cycle?
3. How are my creature cycles? Should I try to fit the CMC 2 "Blade" cycle in for some lower-cost creatures?

(Chromatic Lantern, Coalition Relic and the like would be great for this deck, but I'm wary of cost)

Thanks for any suggestions!

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I wonder how good ixalan will be for commander

>>55354948
That's where your wrong nigger.

>>55357831

Karlov? I'm not sold but i guess I could see it in karlov

>>55357728
You can't scry to the bottom though, it's more like an Impulse but you get to draw 2

>>55357340
did you read the mechanic????

Are signets important in a storm deck?

>>55356741
i don't really care for 1 drop mana dorks in general. they aren't impactful enough to earn the slot. if i were you i'd take out lllanowar, fyndhorn, and mystic. i'm trying to think of in-depth advice to give but youre deck is so far from a deck i would ever build that it's difficult.

i suggest forgotten ancient, rec sage, and rishkar as alternatives though. imo any deck with gyre sage could use a forgotten ancient.

>>55358077
I agree with you on 1 drop mana dorks, I put them in because I've had quite a few people telling me to run them even though I have other ways of ramping. If I drop them do you think I should just bump the lands back up to a decent number?

Forgotten Ancient is a good call, I basically just did gatherer searches for elves and that's what I mainly crammed into the deck.

What's a fun deck to play? I've played every Gruul commander under the sun so don't suggest any. I just want a deck to dick around with, currently brewing a Jund lands deck but it seems like it's gonna be boring.

>>55357728
"Scry 4" and "scry 2 twice" yield completely different results.

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>>55358211
Mairsil

>>55358211
Zedruu is fun.

>>55355256
Bump

>>55358269
i don't see the draw of marisil. not the anon you were responding to, but i read and re read the card and i just don't understand why there is such hype around it.

>>55357228
>are there any ways to make an enemy the monarch?
If they deal combat damage they become the monarch, but why would you want that? Monarch is free card draws. Yeah she's kinda boring otherwise and doesn't do much, but what royalty really does much besides sit around and maybe attend public events.

>>55357976

Yes

>>55357819
I'm pretty disappointed with the legendary creatures, but I'm REALLY excited to make Grixis Revel In Riches/Mechanized Production.

>>55358488
Mairsil is the first card to have a linked ability that cares about Mairsil being Mairsil rather than Mairsil being the permanent on the field.

>>55358488
Half neat card, half insane hype from all the memers

>>55358488
He's a "Do everything on a stick" kind of card that absorbs you whole deck until he's an amalgamated toolbox of a card that is shooting off answers to everything while being nigh unkillable.
For example, Mairsil with any flicker effect is going to basically be around all game and will be devouring cards from your hand and graveyard until he hits peak utility and you fuck people to death with value. Imagine having shit like an almost un-removable Arcanis so you can draw 3 whenever you feel like it or any number of value artifacts.
He works amazing with self mill too.

>>55358582

I don't think it's nearly as easy as you think to make him "nigh unkillable"

>>55358633
Any creature that can flicker on bounce itself is a very good start and being in grixis you can easily tutor and number of those cards to your yard/hand before you even consider casting Mairsil. It's actually a lot easier than you think anon.

>>55358582
Have you actually played this card

>>55353324
Not OP, but discarding the land is a cost not an effect, so wouldn't it just "be" in the graveyard allowing Gitrog to see it and dredge with all of it happening before Seismic Assualts ability resolves?

>>55358666
What have I said that was wrong about Mairsil, faggot

>>55358684
"Nigh unkillable"
Stick too much good stuff in the cage and he's gonna die every time he arrives.

>>55358701
That's why you entomb or buried alive Cavern Harpy or Aetherling first. He's 100% pointless otherwise. He's not the kind of general you windmill slam turn 4 without any setup.

It isn't like you can't just cast your cage targets if you don't draw his protection or tutors. Plus, we call him Captain Jank for a reason, he's not like Animar or Zur.

>>55358582
so wait, you are saying hes as close to an aetherling commander ill get?

Can I just have fun commanders guys I just wanna have fun

>>55358701
>they go to kill him
>flicker him again
What, do my opponents have infinite mana and removal spells to throw at me because they hate my existence?
He's still very hard to kill and if they're throwing all their removal and Mairsil while I fllicker him to the end step with Aetherling's ability, redirect their spell with Torchling or give him shroud with Morphling.

>>55358766
Yes. If you have a decent number of tutours in your deck you will be able to jam Aetherling as the first thing in the cage every game.

>>55358766
You can even stick Aetherling on him.

>>55358108
oh shit yeah. i didn't even realize how low your land count was. i run 34 lands in most of my decks and i consider myself to be very stingy about land count.

if you want more extensive advice here ya go: you need to hone in on what you deck is trying to do. increase the level of synergy. lose the life gain. you have eldamri in your deck and he gives all of your elves forestwalk. s0 you should be running song of dryads because it's great removal and also enables forestwalk.

you have a few instances of group draw that don't really seem to make sense to me. anvil of bogardan and geier reach sanitarium don't seem to reinforce your central themes. i think primordial sage is too expensive to be effective card draw. i'm not a huge fan of burgeoning/exploration either, especially in a deck with low land count. skyshroud claim is better imo. sword of the animist is good for a deck that wants to attack. elvish abberation combos well with some graveyard recursion stuff.

in general you should focus on trying to go wide with lots of small creatures that you can sac/recur/generate or alpha strike. more removal is always good. yes urza's incubator is worth it.

>>55358780
Fun in EDH is a pipedream

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>>55358780
Fun is hard to capture in a bottle and is often what you make of it. I like simple, cheap commanders who are usually weak enough to avoid drawing hate. They let me build around them and reliably use them throughout the game.

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>>55358780
No, just pick a waifu and start jerking.
Fun is very subjective. I enjoy very swingy "blow out or be blownout" games, so Radha dropping a handful of elves and then ramping out early dragons, then getting Mizzium Mortar'd is fun for me.

>>55358780
depends on what you consider fun, cuntrol players think denying everyone elses fun is fun, timmys think meme creatures and huge spells is fun, and the least respectful players think turn 3 "I win" combos are fun

find out which one of those you are and go nuts

>>55358826
>>55358835
Here, this is my fault. I should have given more direction.

I have played a wide variety of decks. I've enjoyed combo and tokens most, but want to break away from them. I also don't want big swingy shit (eg. Mayael). Again, I'm brewing a lands matter deck right now but it seems like it'll be boring. I currently run OG Teferi, Tymaret Aristocrats, and Hazezon Token Swarm and abuse. Grindy shit seems like my bag, for example I want to run Gaddock Teeg but I also want to let others have fun.

>>55358909
Build something like Jori En. It sounds perfect. No locks, but enough tools to get control stuff reliably so you can grind out games as people piss away their explosions.

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Newbie question: Can Pyroblast hit a multicolor card that includes blue?

>>55358909
Gitrog is pretty perfect for grindy shit, tee bee aitch. If you want to you can even avoid Dakmor and go for a non-combo win with the freg.
>>55358936
Yup.

>>55358909
build zo-zu landhate, it makes every game grindy and lets other players struggle to have fun while still getting the chance

or mono red/blue splash chaos is always fun

>>55358887
>and the least respectful players think turn 3 "I win" combos are fun
What about Mizzix decks where I purposefully use bad overcosted spells because I'm addicted to drawing cards and card selection while having my win con being "copy kicker Urza's Rage as many times as needed".

>>55358817
Thanks, I updated the list. The reason I was running the stuff like Geier and Anvil was to get a bit more use out of Nath in making some more tokens without going full stax. So now I'm just sitting at 1 over with the changes I made.

Do you think Wren's Run Packmaster is worth it in trying to go wider?

>>55358963
thats fine, combo past turn 8+ is fine
its just combo players who disrespect the edh format unintentionally or hate it so much that they want to end every game on their turn 1-4 are just cunts

why even bother going through the hassle of shuffling your pile of cards, drawing your hands, deciding who goes first, and then starting everything up if everyones just gonna be picking up their shit a few seconds later
I usually either just ignore their win and act as if they conceded along with any other players who want to keep going and just give mr combo a "yeah dude you won gg, whos turn is it now?"

>>55358835
how do you win with jori en though?

>>55359025
With your other 99 cards, she's just a low threat draw engine that slowly gives you advantage.

>>55359095
how do you win with UR goodstuff though?

>>55359108
I've seen a pretty cool deck from a buddy which is almost exclusively counterspells and cards that steal spells from others and casts them (this casting counts as the second cast, too!) This creates a great bit of card advantage while stealing your opponents things, creating a deck that scales very well. Throw in 2-3 combos for fun, and the deck plays out well!

>>55359017
>its just combo players who disrespect the edh format unintentionally or hate it so much that they want to end every game on their turn 1-4 are just cunts
>disrespect the format
The entire point of EDH is weird interactions and combos that you can't do in other formats. EDH doesn't have to be battlecruiser, anon.

>>55355915
>>55355423

Still tweaking my list, I still have some choices but seeing that new list gives me some more ideas.

>>55355675

Charms + Blink Effects go a long way.

Heck one Christmasland combo would be getting Deadeye Navigator and a Soulfire Grandmaster out at the same time. Getting the two of each from Ramos can afford you casting Jund Charm and having it return to your hand via Soulfire and the Deadeye Blink... plus one extra mana that can be either green, white or black.

>>55359209
The people doing combos in the first 3 turns aren't doing "weird janky interaction combos", they're going full singleton stormnigger because they want to win.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of fast combo and stormniggery at times myself but EDH really isn't the place for it. People who bring combo to EDH basically want to play the same 10 cards every game despite it being a singleton format and just pray to god their opponents didn't put nothing but interaction in their decks.

>>55359209
alrighty anon I totally get what youre saying, think its my turn tho
upkeep, draw
play my land for turn

pass

Can y'all take a look at my Seton list and offer some cuts/adds

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/im-set-on-fucking-you-up-1/

I want to go more the "my land mana doesn't matter" route and fuck with people's mana bases more while I cast threats

>>55359108
>how do you win with blueX goodstuff

just deadeye nav + peregrine drake every game till your friends dont want to play edh with you anymore

>>55359283
the original topic was fun commanders, that's not fun

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Is this card any good on my Brago deck?

People usually go crazy after turn 3 on my LGS so I though about using her to slow them down

>>55359309
Goodstuff isn't fun, anon.

>>55359436
What is fun, then?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ommy-with-the-good-hair/

Can anyone give some thoughts/advice? It started out as a precon but it's changed pretty significantly

I started during late Kamigawa, a few months before Ravnica. I quit during Shards of Alara. I had fun while it lasted, but I will always appreciate Kamigawa for being my first block.

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>>55359453
You know the answer.

>>55359436

I think goodstuff is pretty much the only fun kind of deck. Cheeky synergy decks are masturbatory and get old really quick "look at me haha I'm playing bad cards but they combo together isn't that just super special"

>>55359466
This meme grows old quickly. I play Mairsil, and even I'm annoyed

>>55359466
Mairsil is pretty boring IMO.

>>55359481
>>55359477
I meant more jank in general. Mairsil is the new face of jank.

>>55359516
What's some jank that's nor Mairsil? Hit me with the good shit

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>>55359553
One of my favorites.

>>55359553
Sydri AetherSUCC eggs.

>>55359466
Post your spiciest Mairsil tech.

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>>55359617
I like to turn Mairsil into the smug copter

>>55359588
Got a list?

>>55359516
I find that goodstuff decks allow for jank to happen naturally and more interestingly. Building purely around jank just leads to boring battlecruiser scenarios.

>>55359643
But anon, that doesn't do anything but make him an artifact creature in addition to his other types!

>>55359649
Nope, sorry.

>>55359617
>>55359643
On a more serious note, I like Staff of Domination + Quicksilver Elemental combos. Quicksilver is the most important enabler of jank that Mairsil can have.

>>55359663
That actually comes in handy for some incidental artifact synergies. The Mairsil build I'm working on is heavily artifact focused.

>>55359617
Phyrexian Devourer + Sage of Hours
Mirror of Fates

>>55359658
I never go pure, all-in jank because at that point I'll want to start optimizing more and more for fast combo. That's not as fun. I tend to avoid goodstuff filled decks and take more synergistic options if they're available though.

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>>55359553

>>55359711
You have a valid point there

>>55359711
You can do this in mono U now thanks to Arcane Adaptation coming out in Ixalan.

>>55359476
>synergy that's not just good card works with good card
>masturbatory

>>55359782

It is though, you're just doing it to be quirky and different. It's like people like you don't even like magic, you have to play homo hipster magic because you don't enjoy the mechanics of the game

>>55359095
>>55359025
I do stuff like Charmbreaker Devils, Fall of the Titan's, casting Prophetic Bolt over and over, etc.

>>55359798
That's some strong projection there, anon.

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How different does this format play from the others? Specifically what deck types are more favored?

>>55359826

I enjoy magic. That's why I play good cards, the game is well designed so trying to win leads to fun and interactive games

Faggot hipsters play stuff like mairsil or skeleton ship because they need to be special snowflakes, they don't like magic they like to be special snowflakes and magic let's you do that if you feel the need

>>55359838
Combo is much more favored in EDH than other formats, due to its ability to ignore the size of your table. Aggro, on the other hand, is less powerful, and midrange struggles as well. Draw-go control is unfavorable, and is replaced with Stax.

>>55359838
Its much more varied than other formats, with the competitive decks being drastically different from normal decks. Unlike almost all other formats there is a large demographic of players whos primary enjoyment of the game doesnt come from winning. This leads to more interesting, slower decks overall. Competitive lists are typically 99 card storm decks with doomsday and laboratory maniac included.

>>55358997
>The reason I was running the stuff like Geier and Anvil was to get a bit more use out of Nath
i feel like there are better ways to make your opponents discard then giving them a card draw

sadistic hypnotist is a free sac outlet (!) that forces discard. borderland explorer is an elf that ramps you and causes discard. lots of options.

doubling season, parallel lives, and even dual nature should be considered for tokens. also druid's deliverance.

>>55359838
Both of those defend on your playgroup. EDH is a casual format at heart and don't let people tell you otherwise. Decks that need heavy consistency to grind out a win though like aggro or midrange struggle a little due to the singleton nature but otherwise the format can range anywhere from timmy battlecruiser magic to turn 2 legacy singleton storm degeneracy.

Synergy can be fun, but it can't be the same thing every time. It gets dull.

I was really pleased used Arena in the middle of combat with Bow of Nylea. It was a combination of cards I hadn't seen before. It isn't good enough to win the game and it doesn't happen every game, but it was fun to discover. It isn't all about being a special snowflake, novelty is just fun.

>>55359879
>Faggot hipsters play stuff like Mairsil or Skeleton Ship because they need to be special snowflakes, they don't like magic they like to be special snowflakes and magic let's you do that if you feel the need
Except Mairsil is legitimately fun and leads to interesting combos. You honestly just sound like a spike who plays nothing but goodstuff.

>>55359272
Chord if you need to power out a big boy at instant speed. Kindred Summons is dank for getting a shitload of Druids. Paradox Engine is also a fucking powerhouse in any Seton deck.

>>55359879
>Faggot hipsters play stuff like mairsil
Nigger what, Mairsil is all about gluing all your goodstuff together into one supergoodstuffball, you whiny shithead.
I was with you at first but now it's clear your an idiot with no idea what he's going on about.

>>55359943
Nah, he just seems bitter. You can be a Spike and play goodstuff decks and not be a dick.

>>55359918
Yeah, it's the age old problem of too many options of really cool stuff to play and not enough slots. I have no idea what I'd take out for those cards

This is my current RL deck, made as an answer to another guy's horrendous Norin deck. R8 and recommend replacements?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grenzo-heat/

>>55359968
Put in the most fun jank of red enchantments
Homura, Human Ascendant
Creatures you control get +2/+2 and have flying and "R: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn."

>>55359957

Makes no sense, mairsil is just an unnecessary convoluted way of activating a bunch of abilities. Only reason to play him is if you're an insufferable numale hipster faggot, and you just have to be different and le random

>>55359892
>>55359917
Alright good to know, I'll begin formulating something.
I'm thinking about revolt because it seems like a fun mechanic but not sure if I'll actually get the cards I need to make it work.

>>55359711
>every good target is an eldrazi

Remember when Green was the stompy color? How does modern Green actually get MORE shit with every set deeper into Creatures: The Tappening?

>>55359466
shit forced commander and meme. neck yourself.

>>55360074
Revolt is pretty sweet, keep some of the ixalan treasure cards in mind as they could be useful to trigger revolt by using treasure.

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>>55359768
blue needs to be put to a stop.

>>55360038
I own one. What would you replace it with?

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>>55360095
It sounds like you've never even tried him, and he's not even a forced meme.

>>55359968
Shivan Harvest
Burning Sands
Impending Disaster
Heat Stroke
No Quarter
Price of Glory
Total War

>>55360064
>mairsil is just an unnecessary convoluted way of activating a bunch of abilities.
Wrong?
He's a way of cheating those abilities into play for free on a resilient body.
>Only reason to play him is if you're an insufferable numale hipster faggot
The only one insufferable here is you and your inability to talk in anything but /pol/ buzzwords you fucking grognad.
Mairsil is the "These cards have good abilities but WotC printed their mana costs too high, let's fix that" card.

>>55360104
Probably Rite of the Raging Storm, that card never did much for me in my meta at least.

>>55360126

Mairsil is complete trash, can't believe you're actually deluded enough to think you are playing him strategically. You play him because you're a numale special snowflake faggot, end of story

>>55357810
Any comments on this?

>>55360168
wew

>>55360168
>You play him because you're a numale special snowflake faggot, end of story
Again, cool it with the buzzwords. You have no idea what you're talking about if you don't see the value in being able to access activated abilities of overcosted cards. What do I care though? You're just a bitter spike who plays drab decks stuffed with goodstuff without synergy.

>>55360168
This is your last (You)
Post (You)r superior non degenerate deck then oh almighty grognad dictator of what is and isn't goodrightfun so I can stop being a wrongbadfun having numalebetacuckoldleftistantifagreenislamicpanromanticlgbtqwertopniggerlover

>>55360229

Okay okay I'm sorry you're right, just venting some rage for (you)s, mairsil is actually pretty cool, hope your brewing goes well bro

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>>55360096
>treasure map
okay yeah I'm doing that

>>55360168
>him
I got news for you buddy, its granny seasone

>>55359838
The biggest thing that separates EDH from other formats is a casual attitude towards deckbuilding and play. Yes, people build competitive decks, but everyone has a "for fun" deck that they bust out if their hyper-efficient deck is too much for the table.

It's a multiplayer format, which makes it a very interesting political game. Assessing threats and convincing people to help you are more valuable than having the strongest cards. Starting at 40 life also helps you stay alive longer if you happen to have bad luck in the early game, and also lets you set up a boardstate that you could never achieve in 20 life formats.

>Specifically what deck types are more favored?
Very much depends on your table. Combo flourishes if your table doesn't run interaction. Aggro in the form of voltron or go-wide can be great if your table is durdling. Control takes the form of stax, since you're not going to be able to keep up with counterspelling 3 other players, and does very well. There are also pillowfort and group hug decks that take a completely different approach. Something for everyone.

>>55352975
Mr. Steal Yo' Girl

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>>55360107
That shitty jank picture is posted more then the discord meme. Also
>ever playing a precon commander

>>55359476
Random Jank story,
>Playing my Silas Renn/ Kraum artifact deck
>Rock/egg artifacts to make mucho mana
>Self mill
>Random unblockable effects
>Big fat artifacts
>have Scrap trawler, Hangarback walker and ashnod's altar out
>sac hangarback walker, sac token
>play myr retriever, sac to the altar
>return egg and hangarback walker to hand
>play egg and walker at 1, sac them both (and the token)
>play metalwork colossus for 0 mana
>sac colossus returning retriever to hand
>play, sac retriever returning egg and walker to hand
>rinse, repeat
>draw my deck gaining a ton of mana of any color
>win off of a 5 card combo I didn't even know I had
>have fun and no one in the group is mad that I went infinite

>>55360074
>revolt
Why? Start with a legendary creature that you find interesting, and use that as your starting point.

>>55360321
Some of the most fun commanders came from them.

>>55359943
Spike who plays pretty much nothing but goodstuff and stax here. He's just a petty little bitch who can't understand people enjoying things he doesn't.

>playing Edh at lgs
>random comes in
>asks to play in next game
"Sure"

>Game gets started
>turn 4 paradox engine
>everyone desperate to get it off the battlefield
>fail
>player proceeds to combo off turn 5
>we tell him that he "wins" now go away do we can finish the game for real
>he starts getting all defensive
>tell him to fuck off we dont play with assholes
>he complains to the lgs staff
>they tell him he shouldn't have combo'd
>comes back to the table and as he grabs his stuff pushes my dice box off the table
>friend grabs a pile off the top of his deck during while we argue
>he leaves
>we go through the pile
>sell his Karn, Ugin and foil tron lands for store credit

Was a good night.

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>>55360480
Not even trying at this point

>>55360480
Good bait, I guarantee (you)'ll get a bite.

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>>55360480

>>55360480
Good, he deserves it for being mad about store policy.

Stupid question:
So the commander starts in the command zone but needs to be cast to be used, and if it leaves the field it goes back to the command zone and needs to be recast at 2 higher cost right?

>>55360560
If it leaves the field for any other zone you may CHOOSE to send it to command zone instead. If it was getting sent to your hand, graveyard, exile, shuffled into library etc. you may allow it to go to those zones but once it's there you can't send it to the command zone until the next time it's on the battlefield and sent to another zone as I understand it.
This means you can use flicker effects on your commander, you can return it to your hand to cast it without the casting cost pentalty and you can send it to your graveyard if you want to reanimate it.

>55360554
This bait almost got me.

>>55359918
On the other hand is it even worth it for me to do dual color with how little black I'm running. I could probably run less land if I switched to just Ezuri/Yeva/Eladamri

>>55360607
Thank you.

>>55360326
>>have fun and no one in the group is mad that I went infinite
I love tables like this. "Okay, nobody's got an answer? Cool, play another one?"

>>55360560
Being put into the command zone is a replacement effect the commander's owner may choose if the commander would leave the battlefield. You may choose to allow the commander to go to a zone other than the command zone should it leave the battlefield, in which case it will behave normally. Commander tax only considers casts made from the command zone.

Example: if you cast your commander once from the command zone, and someone casts Unsummon on it, you may choose to allow it to return to your hand normally when Unsummon resolves, rather than the command zone replacing the effect. If you cast your commander from your hand afterwards, and it is destroyed, you may send it to the command zone instead of your graveyard. The casting cost for next time will be n + 2, due to only being cast from the command zone one time, despite you casting your commander twice during the game.

>>55360651
This. I only ever play with friends anymore, but when grognards at the LGS got triggered over me going infinite off of some 4+ card jank combo that I didn't even tutor for.

>>55360622
You may be underutilizing black, then. It never hurts to have a Read the Bones / Skeletal Scrying on hand. You have very few black creatures that would be strong in this strategy such as Herald of Anguish, and your removal package is a tad light. You may also want to really push the discard with Unnerve or Ill-Gotten Gains.

>>55360665
>>55360607

You can choose to put your commander into the command zone if he would go to library, hand, graveyard or exile from anywhere, not only from battlefield. So if your commander is in your grave and someone exiles your grave, you can toss it back to the command zone.

Also note that if your commander would die, but you send him to the command zone, it doesn't 'die' and doesn't trigger stuff that cares about creatures dying.

can anyone help me make this faster? it feels kinda slow

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/12-09-17-YXl-deck-paste/

>>55360480
>>55360722
people at my LGS are weirdly fantastic. everybody is pretty level headed and light hearted. people here talk about "stax" constantly but i've never seen it played.

>>55360622
well switching the commander will drastically impact how you build the deck. i think nath seems cool but there are lots of options for elves.

>>55360651
>>55360722
I've only ever played with friends but I've moved away recently.

Can LGSs get really bad? I just want to play but don't want to deal with all the stories I've heard. I play $40 decks with my friend group and don't want to show up to:
>mana crypt
>Lotus petal
>Chrome mox
>sol ring
>mox opal
>Teferi walker -1
>chain veil

>>55360651
This mindset is one I can't get into. Mainly because I like getting further into my decks and the cool interactions usually take time.

I also just hate shuffling, resolving mulligans, etc.

>>55360796
I quit going after they called Arjun jank a "tryhard metafag spike deck".

>>55360903
Literally any deck at a random LGS will be significantly more than 40 bucks.

But it won't be good. That is usually independent from price, surprisingly enough.

>>55360796
I'm trying to add in some black. I've got 21 cards that use black in there right now but of course I need to cut again.

>>55360903
a really good edh deck is 100-400 dollars. below or above that range and things start to fall flat or have decreasing returns.

>>55360927
I wouldn't say independent of price. It's hard to spend $1,000 dollars on a bad deck, assuming you're not just pimping.

>>55360903
Depends on the size of the lgs, if there is say 10 regulars and 5 of them play super combo just play with the other 4 instead, is a regular group if someone constantly brings unfun bullshit it gets tired real fast and people just stop playing with them, if its a small lgs with only 3-4 regulars then you will need a gentlemans agreement

>>55360903
I got a group that plays tons of diverse decks with some good stuff, but there's always those guys who play atraxa superfriends and Abreya so what can you do.

>>55360903
Some LGS have full cEDH stormfests. Others are like a convention of DesolatorMagic copycats. Occasionally, you might find something other than that, but I've yet to see it in the LGSes I've seen that even support commander as a format.

>>55360961
i run lots and lots of playtests on tappedout to see what seems awkward.

imagine each of the cards in your deck as a dot and lines connecting all of the dots that work well together. if you see any dots that don't connect to many other dots then those either need to be game winning cards or they need to be cut. in the end you want all of the dots to be connected to a lot of dots so that your deck is a tightly woven blanket of synergies.

>>55360996
Bring a deck that counterfucks them and only them till they have no fun too

>>55360969
How much are 10 revised duals? I've never done it, but I could see someone building Voltron Cromat and do that. Or my friend who used to run Time Twister in his Niv Mizzet deck despite not running Ophidian Eye and Curiosity because it was boring.

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Every local lgs is overrun with literal 12 year old walking autism on weekends and there is only the same 2 unemployed guys with proxy decks who stand at the counter and never actually play on weekdays because people are at work/school
How the hell am I ever supposed to play a game

>>55360927
>That is usually independent from price, surprisingly enough.
Aside, of course, from manabase.

Though you can manage with a budget manabase if you try.

>>55361087
You could look for meetups in your area online.

>>55360903
>>55360967
>>55360969
Story time.
This happened to me

>At friends house playing some wiffleball
>Aspbergers neighbor (we'll call him A) walks over
>We know him well, he was in our high school for a few years and he's just always around the neighbourhood
>He says basically "I heard you guys play magic, I do too"
>Try to say no but long story short we're sitting at the table with him
>A says deck is very basic
>A plays >>55360903 turn one
>I have a friend who plays Narset, not like time walk Narset, like I can cast lightning strike for free if it just happens to be on top of my library narset
>A with the Teferi deck explodes his guildgates
>A constantly cheats, afterwords we counted up seven situations where he cheated
>When I call him out on cheating (Milling a creature and trying to activate it's "when this creature dies ability") he says "I'm a level one judge I know better than him
>Finally he wins after like 30 turns
>Says it's the first win his deck has ever had
>Try to get him to leave
>He ends up standing around watching while we shoot some hoops

>>55361050
The entire price of a deck is the land base plus 2 or 3 other cards, you can make perfectly viable 2 color decks for $400 thats without duals

>>55361148
Tell us all the ways he cheated anon. I always love hearing good bad cheats.

>>55361156
My point is that an expensive deck isn't necessarily competitive and a cheap deck isn't necessarily casual.

There is a surprisingly long list of expensive bad cards.

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