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Imperial fisting edition

Death Guard preorder sub-edition

>Death Guard stuff
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/07/codex-focus-death-guard-part-2-special-rules-and-psychic-powers-sep-7gw-homepage-post-2/

>Top 5 Squigs
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/05/celebrate-30-years-of-warhammer-40000-top-5-squigsgw-homepage-post-3/

>Konor Campaign
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>GW FAQs (1.1):
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata
>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in properly converted pdf & epub, fully bookmarked and linked with in-line errata annotations
https://mega.nz/#F!bF0ExS4D!_XaMECn0K9HiJKUFSopJLA

>Other Megas
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
>WIP Math-hammer doc (Thanks Chart-Anon!)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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>>55313996
>the codex with the best looking cover is $200 in burger tokens
GW PLS DELET
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First for the Eighth.
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I'm finally starting an excorcists army! Should be really fun to work on, these dudes are just to get the scheme down but I look forward to going all out on converting and customizing my dudes once I get into it.

Anyway, what're you working on /40kg/? And good games or projects on the board?
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>like Mortarion model
>hate Mortarion

This is my dilemma.
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Nth for original nid colors are best nid colors
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>>55314029
>Shilling out for expensive special editions that will be invalidated by a week 1 errata

People will actually do this in droves
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>>55314038
paint him red and say he's stinky NEET magnus
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>>55314038
turns out you're just like nurgle anon
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>>55314053
>stinky neet magnus
exactly the portrayal that nerd deserves
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>>55314045
Gotta say that does look pretty good, the red especially.
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>>55314062
delete this
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I'm working on a couple units of noise marines, and I've got bits for everything but the backpacks.

Anyone have recommendations?
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>>55314049
Id pay $80 for all the artwork and the special bits, but not that goddamn much
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>>55314037
I was gonna start converting some AOS Blood Warriors into Berzerkers on Friday but I forgot I have no plastic clippers and it ground the whole fucking project to a halt. I was gonna lop their legs off at the knee and replace their leather boots with CSM lower legs to make them fit better but they're too thick to be cut with an x-acto so it's gonna have to wait til I can go to my LGS to pick some clippers up. I'd have gone that night but it's a Friday night and I avoid FNM like the plague.
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>>55314073
drummer, bass and vocalist
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So how do these guys fit into the mechanicus hierarchy? Are they basically the ecclesiarchy to the other tech priest administratum?
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>>55314091
But it's Saturday anon
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>>55314095
They're just a sub-cult within the Cult Mechanicus.
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>>55314095
They act as purity testers for the Ad-mech. They are basically a bunch of self-righteous preachers who try to tell Arch-Magos when they are commiting heresy.
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>>55314095
They're their own branch of the Mechanicus. You've got to remember Admech is basically an ancap dream world unless you go too far out of line (and that's gotta be something really, really crazy), but they're sort of a warrior-monk thing that focuses on conflict over tech and innovation.

So kinda yes, but mostly they're akin to death cults or something similar. Not outright declaration powerful, but they can fuck you up if you mess with them
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>>55314073
>guitar sonic guns
You're doing Slaanesh's work, anon.
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>>55314095
Think about them like the Schismatics compared to the rest of the Mechanicus' Orthodoxy. Then those schismatics into Catholics and Protestant (Fulgerites and Corpuscarii).
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Blood Angels players what are we going with these days?

Ive got the start collecting the Death Company Box a priest a librarian a furioso some sanguinary guard dante and some assault marines

Jump pack spam as always? Going melta assault squads still?
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>>55314128

Apparently Death Companies are the bees knees.
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>>55314128
People were talking like Rhino Rush was going to be a thing again. I don't really know if it worked out or not.
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>>55314071
>Magnus drop his job abandoning the crusade
>Become shut in doing nothing of benefit for the larger Imperium
>mostly a parasite that sucked Imperium resources for his hobby
>Self centered who constantly hated being called for sitting on his ass most of the time to focus on his hobby
Well anon do have a point
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>>55314095
You should read about the war between the two factions of them, because it's like if a bunch of physicists started jihading eachother over an argument about kinetic vs potential energy. In brief, it's hilarious and an excessive amount of people die. Very 40k
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>>55314073

Fucking lit, keep it up
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>>55314169
With the added irony of the Numinous Conclave stating that they both are fully aware that they work best when they work together but neither ever wants to admit it.
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>>55314194
That is also very 40k.
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>>55313996
I mean, Big E would be better off is it was Sigismund instead or Horus.
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>>55314073

>>55314092
this and groupies

also you better paint those motherfuckers in 80's hair metal colors
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>>55314231
Should the groupies be daemonetts?
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>>55314236
current daemonette models are kinda shit. The Juan Diaz ones would work. For meme value you could bring those female human prisoners from Vect's old Dias of Destruction (they're still on GW webstore).
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Maugan Ra or Fuegan?

I was thinking of converting my own Fuegan using a Fire Dragon Exarch and a ghost axe from the Wraithblade kit.
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>>55314029
Why is GW including a shitty cardboard spinner? To get the tween vote or something?
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>>55314267
Maugan Ra's model has aged better.
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Mortarion was a good boy, he dindu nuffin

He wuz goin' to crusade collage, he wuz gonna get his primarch degree
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1-3: Finish Heldrake
4-6: Build Leviathan
7-9: Build Spartan Assault Tank
0: Go to bed
Dubs: Film myself throwing Magnus the Red into the lake while autistically screeching
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>>55314267
Fuegan is much better on the table
But his model is complete ass
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>>55314248
Holy shit they are. I would say go a mix for maximum style, maybe throw a few deldar chicks or repentia too for even more flavor.
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>>55314282
>finnish heldrake

fyuk yeeh
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>>55314282
Dubsdubsdubs
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>>55314276
Then he started hanging out with the no good delinquent Typhus and it was all downhill from there.
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I wanted a zero desu
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>>55314295

Typhus is such a flaming faggot of a drama queen.
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So, Miasma of Pestilence, Blades of Putrefaction and Putrescent Vitality are go to powers for Mortarion, right? He can only manifest two powers, so -1 to be hit and 8T should be what we uses most of the time, while Blades allow him to wound T5-7 targets on 2s and allow him to engage 3/4++ Characters better.

>T8 -1 to hit 3+ 4++ 5+++ 18W
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Let's talk 40k civilians, /tg/.

Good idea? Bad idea?

Should they have rules? Should they have vehicles? Should they be cool-looking gewgaws like the WHFB 'Citizens of the Empire?'
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>>55314282
D'aww I wanted dub option, tonight/tg/ is pretty boring
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>>55314314
It is not yet time for >>55314282
anon to become a legend. There's always next time.
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So far both Daemon Primarchs have been given wings. Do you guys think they'll give us a footslogging one or will that not let it be fuckhuge enough to get all the impulse buys?
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>>55314045

Those look fantastic! I wonder why nobody really does this?
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>>55314292
Blue over white, or vice versa?
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>>55314326
They won't be able to charge $230 for a girlyman sized figure
So they'll never do it
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>>55314276
needed mo diseases fo dem gas masks n shiet
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>>55314326
Lorgar and Pert don't have wings. Fulgrim and Angron both do.
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>>55314326
They all have wings
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>>55314348
Lorgar and Pert do not
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>>55314342
>Angron is wingless but so big he's taller than Magnus with his wings
I want it to happen
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>>55314326
Even angron has wings yeah? I think he's canonically the size of a warhound titan though.

For non wingaling primarchs you'd have to get perty to become relevant enough to warrant his creation or Lorgar to wipe of his mascara and stop crying in his room.
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>>55314326
Lorgar, pert, and alpharius (if he's alive) definitely won't.

Angron definitely could, Fulgrim MIGHT but I don't think he will. I want more small Primarchs, bob's size was perfect imo
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>>55314348
What about Pert and Lorgar?
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>>55314361
>>55314357
Honestly I wasn't even considering the non-cult Primarchs. I'm not sure well even get them.
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>>55314360
>alpharius
>daemon primarch
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>>55314359
>I think he's canonically the size of a warhound titan though
Since that definitely isn't going to happen when he gets his model, he'll probably be a little bit smaller than Mortarion. Mort and Magnus were both the tallest primarchs anyways.
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>>55314342
but they CAN charge a cool hundy for a regular size primarch AND two other named characters!

Seriously though those triumvirates were very good to me in terms of getting me models for characters and units I wanted to have models. If more regular size primarchs make that happen again I'm all for it.
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>>55314361
I'm still not sure how Pert and Lorgar can be daemon primarchs when they said there is only one undivided daemon prince and that is Bel'lakor.
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>>55314393
Old lore, I guess. They've never been officially retconned into NOT being Daemons.
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>>55314383
He may be really big but just hunched over in his usual angron hunch. Make bloodthirster sized or slightly smaller. Hunchedthirster.
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>>55314393
In 40k Bel'akor is the first undivided Daemon Prince, not the only.
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>>55314398
Pretty sure even the most recent codexes refer to them as daemon primarchs. I'm pretty sure the 6th ed books even reference what exactly pert did to get lifted to daemonhood.

Also nobody fucking cares about Belakor.
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>>55314393
Fuck off Carnac.
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>>55314398
Lorgar being one would still make sense they just need to cave on the undivided issue. They could change Pert though, it would add an interesting dynamic to himself and his legion.
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>>55314412
>pointing out lore discrepancies and GW stupidity
>carnac
pick one
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>>55314425
Whatever you say, Carnac.
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>>55314416
I kinda think Pert should be whatever the ultimate form of the Obliterator cult is.
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>>55314448
Now that would make a pretty nice(and expensive) model.
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>>55314398
>>55314416
The CSM codex calls Perturabo and Lorgar Daemon Primarchs. Maybe they're daemons but not Daemon Princes.
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>>55314464
Maybe they are just not the result of all 4, maybe Pert is just a Khorn and Tzeentch prince or something?
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>>55314300
>T8 -1 to hit 3+ 4++ 5+++ 18W
>BS3 Las shoot vs Mortarion
>0.5 hit, 0.33wound, 0.17unsaved, 0.6 damage, 0.4 after DR
>45 las canon shoots needed on average

In contrast, 3++r1 Magnus vs Las takes 56.25 shoots to be killed, although Mortarion fares better against S7/8 weapons.
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>>55314464
They are daemon princes. Don't bullshit.

>>55314405
The Index Chaos says that Be'lakor is alone among the daemon princes not to serve a single master. He is the only.
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>>55314448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_AVD_7hMQ
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What would Horus think of the current state of his legion?
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>>55314516
The Sons of Horus are dead.
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>>55314516
The moment before he died, the Emperor stripped away his corruption and he realized everything that had gone wrong.

So he'd probably be p mad.
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>>55314516
>i miss the luna wolves
>why is abaddon in charge
>what ever happened to loken
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>>55314535
>The moment before he died, the Emperor stripped away his corruption and he realized everything that had gone wrong.

.. why the fuck didn't he strip his corruption right from start?
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>>55314516
>>I wish I had a legion
>>I really fucked up, huh?
>>Yikes, the other legions didn't even leave my legion's graveyard intact
>>Sorry, guys - my bad
>>But also Lorgar's bad
>>And Erebus
>>Fuck you and your fucking face, Erebus, you god damn asshole
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>>55314606
>>55314532
uh, didn't they become the Black Legion
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>>55314593
cause chaos was fighting it

and emps also hadn't unleashed his full power cause he still loved Horus
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>>55314626
It's complicated, basically anyone loyal to Horus over Abby was purged out of the legion.
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>>55314626
No. Read the Black Legion series.
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>>55314626
depends which warband of the black legion you ask. Some say they changed their name as a sign of morning for their primarch and warmaster, others say they don't want to be associated with Horus, as he failed to destroy the imperium. Depending which reason you buy, the black legion is either a continuation of the Sons of Horus or are no longer Horus' legion.
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>>55314626
we don't talk about that stage of our lives, okay?
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Hey guys

I posted here about a month ago about my shit-tier Rubric marines, and I just painted my Exalted Sorcerers. College took a lot of my time up, but I managed to get these guys all done. I painted two in the box, unsure about painting the third since I doubt I'll put 3 exalted sorcerers in my army, just swapping out disc and foot when I need to.

Does it look better? I got a bunch more paints and took Duncan's advice.
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>>55314626
No.

Most of them were killed by the other legions who were pissed about what they perceived was the sons' fault for losing the war and getting them all stuck in super hell. Many survivors joined Abaddon, most of the black legion are randos from any former legion, anyone willing to work together.
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>>55314645
How about you ask one of their founding members instead of lying? The black color over their armour is meant to wash over their allegiance and histories to their former legions. Orginally, Abaddon's Legion was nameless. It got its name from the other legions in the Eye who kept calling them Black Legion as an insult.
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Can we talk about the fact that in the new DG codex you can equip a bloatdrone with a literal lawn mower that does 6 extra attacks?
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>>55314673
Looks real damn thick still. Is it dry?
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>>55314045
Those aren't really original colors. Original colors had bone armor on most beasties and didn't have spots.

But your sentiment I agree with. Original behemoth colors, best colors.
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>>55314680
>>There's only one reliable source on the Black Legion, and that's Iskandar Khayon: imprisoned sorcerer of Tzeentch
Okay. I even believe the fluff in the black legion books but you're going a bit over the top on this.
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>>55314685
I JUST painted it.

It's been dry for the entirety of two minutes. I tried thinning my paints as best as I could, but I can only check for sure once they're completely dry.
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>>55314338
I do do this. This was my shadow war armageddon kill team.
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>>55314340
blu ovarr whyt
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>>55314680
>khayon
>a reliable source in any way
This guy spews out more contradictions and conjecture than Angron yells in his spare time.
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>>55314712
Don't be dumb. Khayon was named as one of the Lords of the Black Legion in Ahriman series. He comes with his Black Legionaries to help Ahriman in the siege of the Planet of Sorcerers.

Of all the things you can choose to disbelieve him in, you choose this. That's totally retarded. Abaddon is known to hate Horus and anyone loyal to him. He hunts down any surviving Sons of Horus who didn't kneel to him. You think Abaddon would have his guys mourning Horus?You absolute fgt.
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>>55314733
Isn't that the douche who claimed to have pwned Magnus?
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>>55314721
Guide for how you did these guys?. paints really.
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>>55314759
And the one that claims he is stronger than Ahriman.
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>>55314393
>>55314425
>>55314500
>>>/lgbt/
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>>55314733
You

see

>>55314755
He is a founding member and was there went they painted their armour black. Please refer to the Black Legion motto.
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>>55314775
In case anyone doesn't know.

>From shame and shadow recast.
>In black and gold reborn.
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>>55314755
It's imperial sources vs 1st hand chaos prisoner's sources. But the source is a sorcerer of the god of lies sent by abaddon to feed information to the imperium. Is every word he says true? Maybe. He claims so. It makes sense, it's probably true, but to flip out at the idea that there could possibly be any way Khayon is not a 100% reliable narrator is just drinking the whole kool aid jug. Get it together.
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>>55314770
This is Be'lakor.
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>>55314037

>Anyway, what're you working on /40kg/? And good games or projects on the board?

Had a pretty good 1,500 point Konor game earlier today, planning on finishing up some painting tonight.

I'm always super motivated to paint/model stuff after I play a game, I'm probably going to finish painting a Razorback and starting either some Terminators or Assault Marines tonight.

I also saw pic related in the catalog (from an infinity thread) and I'm currently checking out scratch built terrain since I'll be starting to put my own home table together in October.
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>>55314791
>>55314775
>>55314755
>>55314810
Dammit, I don't want to hate the Black Legion too because of your screeching obsessions, Carnac, you smelly, pirate, monkey asshole. Why can't you get really into sonic the hedgehog like everyone else?
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>>55314801
>It's imperial sources

Discarded.

Khayon does not serve Tzeentch. Khayon is unaligned. And choose you battles well. Choosing to raise objections over the blackening of the legion when we know for a fact that Abaddon hates Horus and kicks anyone who dares worship and mourn him around. To think that Abaddon would paint his legion black to mourn the guy who failed him and humanity with his weakness, that's MAJOR dumbassry there.
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>>55314824
Dude, you don't understand.

This is Be'lakor
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>>55314814
Wow - that is beautiful.

It would be really fun to play on a multi level XCOM style undestroyed city block with tight alleys and lots of line of sight. So hard to make a bunch of full buildings.

I'm currently trying to stop being so sick so I can muster the energy to finish basing some dudes for chaos and hopefully submit them tomorrow.
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Has anyone used the new plague marine models as the basis of some emperors children/noise marine models?
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>>55314839
Be'lakor get off the computer and put Archaon on he's better at holding a conversation.
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>>55314810
Yes yes, you're free to go and masturbate to him on >>>/lgbt/ and >>>/cm/
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>>55314311

There are some decent lists of homebrewed rules for civilian vehicles on the faggafagga forums. You can get pic related from Forge World, but it's expensive as shit and I don't know if it has a datasheet.

Some 1:72 scale vehicles might work, but you might want to stick to larger trucks/construction/heavy equipment because the scale will look weird since I think 1:72 is actually 25mm truescale instead of the 28mm "heroic" that 40K uses. You could always model your own stuff (and I would encourage it, because a 1997 Ford Taurus sitting on a 40K tabel would look weird as shit).

I've been thinking of modeling up some civilian vehicles for a narrative campaign I've been working on, it seems like it might be a fun changeup to a normal game.
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What are some ork tricks I can pull this edition?

Also what can I do against space wolves that reroll everything that's a to hit and wound and then dish out like d6 wounds per hit when I play boy blobs mixed with dreads/kans and tons of skorchas/rokkits?
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Novel about the Fall of Cadia by a new author to BL.

It will feature the PoVof Creed, a ratling, and more. It comes out it 2 weeks. Are you hyped? What do you want to see in it?
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>>55314861
You could use some of the genestealer vehicles, aren't they supposed to be repurposed civillain vehicles anyway?
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>>55314839
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>>55314685
>>55314713
On second thought, it could also be the angle I shot it at. The reikland fleshshade I used hasn't dried yet and the gloss shows up sorta heavily in that lighting. In person it doesn't appear nearly as thick.
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>>55314877
Trollzyn having tea parties with Creed's stasis'd body, of course.
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>>55314673

> thin your paints more (the paint should be the consistency of 2% milk)
> use a wash to bring out details
> highlight (either edge highlight or drybrushing if you're lazy)
> stop by /wip/ and learn how to build a cheap lightbox for taking pictures
> don't forget to drink your paintwater

Do all of that and you'll get better. Don't get discouraged, this is what Duncan's first model looked like.
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>>55314902
>>not drinking your paint water
How else are you going to gain its power?
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>>55314911
What secrets does the paint water reveal?
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>>55314769
He's not dumb enough to try and claim that is he? Chief Librarian of the TSons vs a literal who? ADB needs a hug from a father figure.
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>>55314879

Genestealer Cults only have one vehicle (the Goliath truck). The old limos and stuff were never official models.

Not a bad starting point for industrial/mining vehicles, but regular Joe Schmoe's four door sedan (or it's Warhammer 40K equivalent) isn't going to be anywhere near that durable.

Designwise I'm thinking stuff that has a strong retro/futuristic vibe might mesh well with certain high income planets in the Imperium.
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>>55314925
It gives your eyes the full color spectrum and lets you see the hidden colors of the great beyond.

Some have been reportedly turned into Psykers
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Spiderman thread?
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>>55314925

Find out, anon

do it for her
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>>55314656
"Whoso Pulleth Out This Sword of this Stone and Anvil, is Rightwise King Born of all England"
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>>55314950
So the paint water is the power of Tzeentch in liquid form?
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>>55314939
In the Ahriman series, Khayon was so close to stopping the Rubric. He failed and was so enraged that he beat up Ahriman and was going to kill him. The swordsman guy stopped him but Khayon resolved burning away Ahriman's psychic power before he left go on his ship and left the Planet of Sorcerers to get away from all this bullshit.

AHRIMAN, STOP THIS MADNESS!
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>>55314925
I can't drink any without unsealing the great oni bound into my right eye. That's why I always wear this previously uncommented upon eyepatch
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>>55314902
>duncan started with white armor
He was destined for greatness
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>>55314977
>Ahriman is the architect of a massive sorcerous spell puts all his energy and willpower into it and its fails
>Literal who tries to stop him and fails even though hes busy, tired then despondent about its failure
So still not even close? K thought so.
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>>55314939
For a married dude with children he sure does write in a lot of waifus.
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>>55314993
White AND yellow.
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>>55315005
You try to stop fight your way through a storm of magic and enemies to reach your foolish brother.

Anyways, Ahriman names Khayon among the brothers that were close to him.
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>>55313996
>Go to GW store for quick tourney of 30 PL lists, 1-hour time limit on 2'x4' boards (to celebrate 40k's 30th birthday & end of Konor Campaign)
>Be Ork player running a Megaboss, 30 boyz and 3 Killa Kans
>2nd opponent I face is a Crimson Fist player rolling with Primaris army, complete with Aggressors, Intercessors, a 'Chaptermaster', and a Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought
>I tabled him on the 2nd turn in the most bizarre way possible
I mean, I'm glad I won, but it feels so weird to win like that. Should I feel bad for my opponent anons?

This is that git who runs the Ork Freeboota army calling itself 'Da Unkillablez', for the record
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>>55315057
>I tabled him on the 2nd turn in the most bizarre way possible

Story?
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>>55314448
>>55314514
>>when you didn't know you needed something you know will never be
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>>55314861
Well, if you want to include Genestealer cult vehicles you can try to use the Imperial Armour - Index - Forces of the Astra Militarum. They have light vehicles in there.
Hell, now that vehicles are creatures now, just make Sentinel conversions. Those are some small vehicles. i.e. Like a truck with a multilas in the back.
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>>55315036
>to reach your foolish brother.
Saved the legion and if it wasnt for Tzeentch's meddling it would have worked. Besides Ahriman was cast the rubric during that same event which is even harder. Khayon was a literal who inserted by ADB. He's not stronger than Ahriman he's just Abaddons bottom bitch.
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>+Have you come to try to stop me again, Khayon?+

>Iskandar Khayon, Chosen of the Despoiler, Lord Vigilator of the Black Legion, and once a son of Magnus the Red, turned his gaze on the glowing eyes watching him from across the square and beyond.

>+I like your little warband,+ he sent.

>+You came alone,+ replied Ahriman after a heartbeat’s pause.

>+I am never alone, Ahriman. The smallest claw of the true Legion came with me, but they wait above.+

>Ahriman glanced up, his mind skimming upwards to the orbiting ships, but he could not pick out Khayon’s trace on any of them. When he looked down, Khayon had not moved.

>+You will not stand with me again, though?+

>+The Thousand Sons were no more for me a long time ago, Ahriman.+

>+Yet here you are, without your master…+

>+Abaddon is my brother, not my master, and the Black Legion are my kin now. I am here to honour a debt, not brotherhood.+ A brittle note edged the thought connection.

>Ahriman shook his head.

>+You were never one to be driven by guilt.+

>Khayon laughed once, the sound a sharp crack in the still air.

>+I am not here because I tried to kill you. A lack of perspective was always one of your finer qualities.+ Khayon went still again, and when his thought voice reached Ahriman again it was speaking to him alone. +There are other deeds that can place a burden on a life. And the Legion pays its debts.+

>Cold skittered across Ahriman’s skin. He felt something dark at the edge of his thoughts, like a void opening beneath previously solid ground.

>+You speak of things that I have not lived… yet?+ Ahriman left the thought hanging, but Khayon turned, looking up at the darkening night smeared with aura light and scattered with the fires of warships. Fresh blots of colour bled across the dome. Lightning stabbed at the mountains, and storm clouds were racing across the horizon.

-Ahriman Unchanged
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>>55314941
Looks hard, yet common to a Hive world.
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> Decide to make two lists before heading to the LGS so I'll have options depenidng on what other people have
> One list is 1,500 points
> One list is 2,000 points
> 2,000 point list has a powerlevel of 52
> 1,500 point list has a powerlevel of 30

I get the concept behing powerlevel (a quick and easy way to get casual games going), but holy shit is it unbalanced.
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>>55315090
Actually, the Rubric wasn't meant to save the legion. Ahriman deceived.

John French and ADB worked together to create Khayon. Khayon rivalry with Ahriman is very neat imo. I mean look at the bitterness and tension between the two >>55315096
Also the sadness.
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>>55315133
Ahriman was deceived*
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>>55315096
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>>55314091
Order online... You could have them on Tuesday.
or go to a hardware store and temporarily make do with wire cutters.

I also recommend a razor saw for things like this. You can get a really good cut that's smooth and they cut through plastic easy. Use blue tac to hold the mini down on your desk
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>>55315133
>Bitterness and tension
Fuck man go read a real book if you think thats good. BL is schlocky genre fiction.

>Actually, the Rubric wasn't meant to save the legion.
Literal retard. Yes it was thats was Ahrimans intention in creating it.
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Is this the worst dreadnought model GW has ever made?
Why the fuck does he have a perfectly fine head sticking out.
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>Ahriman is greatest mortal champion of Tzeentch and favored son of Magnus
>Khayon is bottom bich of Abo the Dabo, leading other sorcs that were too shit to earn their Exaltation and right to own Silver Tower
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>>55315157
Cause space wolves hate wearing helmets, it impedes their sense of smell - duh!
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>>55315112

Anything with a Judge Dredd vibe would probably look alright on a 40K table.

>>55315157

All Space Wolf models look like shit. GW needs to stop catering to furfags and squat them already. This isn't bait, this is an objective fact.
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>+More time,+ he called. +We need more time. For the Legion which made us, we need more time.+

>The sending flew into the churning warp, rising like a burning arrow fired at a night sky. He reached out, feeling the rhythms of the ritual, hearing its infinite song. His mind was one with it again. On and on it went, beautiful and terrible, and incomplete.

>Please, he thought, silently to himself. Hear me. Give me time.

>+We will give you what time we can,+ said a thought which rose to fight the clamour of dead voices and thoughts. Ahriman knew the voice.

>+Thank you, Khayon,+ he sent. +We will meet again.+

>+That… that is certain,+ called Iskandar Khayon’s fading voice.

>Ahriman looked at the sky, and felt the tides of time shift back a stride. He reached out to all the minds that were linked to him and spoke.

>+It comes, my brothers.+

>And the minds of the Exiles answered him in silent unison.

>+We rise.+

Best ship.
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Tfw me and another ork player are going to field 10k against a slew of imperium players next weekend
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What's the difference between a bog standard Sorcerer and an Exalted Sorcerer? Why can't the latter take Terminator armor?
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>>55315154
>Literal retard. Yes it was thats was Ahrimans intention in creating it.

I mean he was deceived. The Rubric was a Magnus and Tzeentch just as planned all along.

>Fuck man go read a real book if you think thats good.

examples.
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>>55315183
I thought arjac and the wolf guard terminators were pretty good. Bjorn and grey hunters too. Good ole ulric also got updated nicely.
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>>55314681
lel, thats hilarious
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are there any better sources for the DG codex units than the MWG youtube vid? Did anyone write the infos down?
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>>55315157
Just use a different sarcophagus
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>>55315219
link?
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>>55315068
>So for deployment zones the tournament used the open war cards, and we got the one where I could basically stick all my Orks at the halfway line (Boyz, Boss and Kans all toeing the line)
>Crimson Fists player parks all his guys at the back of his board except for his Aggressors
>Objective is secure the supply cache
>It's on my side, close to the middle of the board.
>I move my boyz and Boss out of the line of sight from his guns, and toss the Killa Kans into the fire on my first turn
>They take out two aggressors of his 3 man squad
>Crimson Fist guy brings up his Redemptor and proceeds to wipe the Kans out of existence, and takes out 6 boyz from my mob from shooting
>I'm like, "Zog it, my as well throw everything I got at the dread!" sick 'em boyz!!"
>1 rokkit launcha wound, 2 wounds from the nob's kustom shoota, and a big shoota 1 manage to bring Dread down to 8 wounds.
>"FIRE ALL THE SLUGGAS!!!" Sluggas manage to take off another wound.
>Invoke WAAAGH!!! ability from Warboss so I can charge after advancing.
>Boyz charge. Get 13 of them into close combat with Redemptor Dread (who gets them down to 20 boyz)
>Nob's Klaw manages rip off another couple wounds
>combined attacks from the 12 choppas finish it off
>I look up and ask "so it explodes?"
>"Yes. D6 mortal wounds within 6 inches."
>He rolls
>Redemptor explodes
>He rolls to see how many boyz in my mob die.
>Rolls a 1
>Last Aggressor was caught in the blast
>Rolls a 6. Aggressor's dead.
>Chaptermaster is also inside the blast radius.... He got a 6. He's ded too.
>Intercessors? Rolled another 6.
>He just gave up and said, "You win! Good game!"
>I'm shake his hand, but I'm still staring in disbelief at the fact I just tabled my opponent in a little over 30 minutes via exploding Dreadnought.
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any good pictures of the basic plague marines/death guard?
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>>55315212
>>examples
>>of good books
This is pretty low, even for you, Carnac.
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>>55314393
>GW background writing is inconsistent and increasingly garbage tier
Pick one
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>>55315212
>The Rubric was a Magnus and Tzeentch
Magnus planning the rubric? KYS retard.

>examples.
Kek. Pathetic.
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>>55315248

He got fucked by his dice but honestly he probably should have had so many units that close to something that blows up.

Either way, good job today. You made Gork (or is it Mork) proud.
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God damn the new Death Guard are looking fly as fuck. All those Disgustingly Resilien vehicles and buff characters. Some real nice warlord traits and stratagems.

Relics are slightly disappointing, I was hoping for some really nice weapons but instead we got a moderately better/worse power sword and a grenade no one will ever take. The helm on a plavue surgeon would be fucking tight though, as would the armour on a daemon prince that regens a wound every player turn.

The hype is real.
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>nerds from my LGS say that thinning paints is useless
>nearly everyone here says that thinning paints is a must

WHO TO BELIEVE
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>>55315252
>>55315270
>Magnus planning the rubric? KYS retard.

Shards of Magnus.

>examples

Why are you both so cowardly? I want to know what you consider good writing.
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>>55315300
Duncan is on /tg/'s side
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>>55315248
Pretty kunnin, loadin da boyz wif all dem xtra splodey' wot we looted from dat mek's hut, Boss. Verry dastardly. Dat red fist bigga umie klan 'as alwayz been gud at 'splodin' and dyin', roight? Har har har!
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>>55315300
Duncan says to thin your paints, and his opinion is the only one that maters.
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>>55315216
I think it's like +2 S amd AP-2 as well, so it will chew through marines like a motherfucker, then explode when they kill it.

Nurgle confirmes religion of peace.
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>>55314500
>tfw autistically screeching about some the 'correct' interpretation of the most poorly written and contradictory lore since the bible
>Unironically citing 'sources'
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>>55315320
Perv is a Demon Prince of autism
Lelgar is a Demon Prince of daddy issues
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>>55315300

Look at the shit quality of the models people at the LGS play with and you'll know the right answer.
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>>55314712
It's Carnac. Save your breath. The more you argue with him, the more he'll shit up the entire thread with his pathetic attempts to prove his interpretation of gw garbage is correct. We just have to be patient and wait for him to kill himself.
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>>55315302
>Shards of Magnus.
Thats the second Rubric. Fuck man go learn the basic TSons lore. The Shards of Magnus had nothing to do with the first Rubric. Feel free to post any quote that says otherwise.
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>>55315320
The dude's a fucking riot, right? I have no idea how Ive missed seeing him post for this long. What a disaster.
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>>55315359
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ahriman get the Rubric from the Book of Magnus?
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>>55315357
Ohhh, I really hope he goes bonkers in a hobby shop while screeching about Be'lakor before being gunned down by police. WORLDSTAR BITCHES.
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>>55315359
>>55315393
Also you failed to give examples to what you consider to be good books.
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>Life fighting for a cause
>Lots of sex, with all the /d/-tier kinks you want
>Even with the /d/eviancy, strong family values
>Gods aren't distant arbitrary beings
>When the time is come to die, your gods will descend from the sky and make you part of their whole, with your consciousness existing somewhere in the collective memory alongside everyone you knew and loved
>Possibly reincarnated into the body of one of your gods to fight in the stars against those who made your ancestors suffer

Why is GSC the comfiest faction?
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>>55315298
it's looking great, it's got everything I'd been dreaming of (except maybe flyman raptor replacements, but I think I'm alone in that one)

biggest win is this cute little bastard for sure
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>>55313260
Holy shit
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>>55315423
Imperium confirmed for doomed!
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>>55315393
The Rubric was created by Ahriman from the knowledge within the book of Magnus.
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>>55315349
Their stuff looks very good actually
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>>55315412
What role does this thing fill exactly?
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>>55315300
Thinning your paints advice has been a thing on boards and in magazines for decades anon, the greasy mouthbreathes at your local therapy group can safely be ignored.
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>>55315408
You failed to give examples of why you haven't eaten the whole bottle of sleeping pills yet.
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>>55315457
Being adorable.
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When's le finger tapping man releasing the DG codex???
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>>55314755
It's hilarious that Armless thinks that falling while killing the Emperor is failure when he's too weak to stand up to Eldar with guns.
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>>55315423
Is that the fucking void dragon choking out mars/daemons eating the fucking moon?
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>>55315468
My sleep cycle works fine though. I will sleep even better once I know how great your taste in literary works.
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>>55315457
it has a fog machine that provides mobile cover and is otherwise a potentially inexpensive mobile weapons platform for hellbrute guns.

if it's as neat as it sounds I'm going to take a lot
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>>55315219
Tabletop Tactics have it but they said they'd do new DG stuff on the 20th+ cuz the main guy is on holiday
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>>55315489
Dude, you again? How many times do I have to BTFO you? You here to lie again?

Abaddon thinks Horus failed everyone by being too weak to resist the Chaos Gods making him their puppet also for letting his pride get to him in the end. It has little to do with the final battle.

You are an embarrassment!. Get out.
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>>55315157
He's a Wulfen in a dreadnought (I assume the change happened after he was interred.) So I guess this is how they showed it.
I also think it's ugly as fuck and used the skull head for my murderfang instead.
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>>55315529
Stop trying so hard.
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>>55315504
What would you run along with it for that fog machine ability?
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>>55315291
Indeed. It was a good day to be an Ork.

Writing the fluff entry for that battle's going to be entertaining, I'll say that much.
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>>55315457
Moves 10", ignores move and fire penalties, durable as fuck, has one of the last traitor multimeltas.
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>>55315409

> Invade a new area
> Hide in the shadows
> Have weird rituals
> Slowly incorporate yourself with the native people
> Bring more and more of your kind into the population
> Subvert the existing government
> Eventually strike out and take over
> Subjugate and destroy the natives

GSC are literally space Muslims
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>>55315157
Like >>55315534 said just use the skull option.
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>>55315536
You are not trying hard enough.
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>>55315544
plague marines, they're already godly in cover, now the cover moves and has guns
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>>55315560
Does that mean that if the Muslims win, they'll all get eaten by space worms?
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>>55315529
>Abaddon thinks Horus failed everyone by being too weak to resist the Chaos Gods making him their puppet also for letting his pride get to him in the end.

>His ranks are crammed to the brim with men owned by daemons, men possessed by daemons, and men who *are* daemons
>Tears open the Rift that lets the Chaos Gods pour into reality more freely than ever before while doing nothing to help his pitiful warband get out of the exact same system it started in
>"I-I'm not a puppet of Chaos, honest!"
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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10 man CSM troops or 5?
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>>55315544
Literally anything
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>>55315584
>Tears open the Rift

Most of that was Magnus. Aba the Daba spent thirteen crusades blowing up buildings no one cared to protect and then he pressed "blow up planet" on his planet-destroying weapon in Cadia.
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I wonder, what other old art will be revisited?
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Horus was WEAK. Let me show you.

>The dark outline of an aircraft rose up beyond the dome, its engines bellowing with downdraft. A blizzard of broken glass took to the air. Glittering reflections dazzled like snow.

>Everyone looked up.

>The dark outline of an aircraft rose up beyond the dome, its engines bellowing with downdraft. A blizzard of broken glass took to the air. Glittering reflections dazzled like snow.

>‘Who the hell’s flying so close?’ said Abaddon, shielding his eyes from the blinding glare. More noise, fresh stablights from the other side of the dome.

>Another two aircraft.

>Fire Raptors. Horde killers that had made their name at Ullanor. Coated in non-reflective black. Hovering, circling the dome. Icons on their glacis shone proudly after months of being obscured.

>Silver gauntlets on a black field.

>‘It’s Meduson!’ shouted Aximand. ‘It’s Shadrak bloody Meduson!’

>Three centreline Avenger cannons roared in unison. Braying quad guns on waist turrets followed an instant later.

>And the Dome of Revivification vanished in a sheeting inferno of orange flame.

Fire Raptors vs three Primarchs. Go!
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>Imperial Fisting edition

More painting guides lads, I'm getting my marines tomorrow and I am hype as FUCK
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any good photos of the basic death guard troops/plague marines yet?
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>>55315593
5. Just use MSU for Troops tax, any Elites are literally better for any other purpose other than ObSec
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>>55315412
>tfw you give up on actually designing anything interesting and just start shitting out toy ranges
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>>55315584
>Tears open the Rift that lets the Chaos Gods pour into reality more freely than ever
Dont forget he need help from Magnus and Yvraine to get it done. The Eldar have done more to bring the warp into real-space than anyone else in the Galaxy by far.
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>12-48" Battle cannon which ignores LoS
>2 36" Dark Lances as sponsons
>another small turret gun
>T8, 3+ and potentially 5+++
For around 162 pts.

>predator autocannon
>2 lascannons as sponsons
>t7 and 3+
190 pts

Why would you ever take a predator over a Blight Tank as DG?
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>>55315602
Wrong. Magnus helped in expanding the Rift but it was Abaddon who broke the dam.

>>55315584
Horus was a confirmed puppet of the Gods who lost his freewill. Abaddon is confirmed to have his freewill. He is using Chaos as much as he is using them. And his men as seen in Fall of Cadia are more loyal to him and vengeance than the gods.

The backstabbing between Abaddon and the gods will happen once the Emperor falls.
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>>55315412
I am with ya bud, my nurgle sorc with JP has fly wings.

I remember someone pointing out that in one of the new released pics, the one that first showed new Typhus, there are some new, nurgle-looking raptors in the very back of the pic.

Its hard to tell but.......
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>>55315602
Actually he lost his irreplaceable planet-destroyer through his usual incompetence then had its haplass captain tortured for no reason out of pettiness. *Then* he threw what was left of it at the plant.
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>>55315423
This won't come to happen! The Emperor will endure!

THE IMPERIUM WON'T FALL!

there's probaby an EoT 40kek book written already :(
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>>55315560
Shut the fuck up /pol/! You always try to derail every gen thread, you cucks!
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>>55315630
I think it has a 5++ as well as the DR 5+++, so literally never

I also like the idea of running it with plaguespewers and going full jihad, ram it into the enemy and dare them to kill it, then use the stratagem of peace to guarantee d3 mortal wounds on everything nearby.
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>>55315618
That's a shame. What should I give them? Also, why elites? Chosen seem way too expensive unless you're just going stormbolter
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>>55314768
Main body
>Mephiston Red spray
>Thin coat of Mephiston Red (the spray color is not quite right)
>Reikland Fleshshade wash
>layer of Mephiston Red, avoiding shaded areas
>highlight of Evil Suns Scarlet
>highlight of Wild Rider Red
>Bloodletter glaze

Carapace
>Zandri dust basecoat
>Seraphim Sepia wash
>Zandri dust layer avoiding shaded areas
>Ushabti bone highlight

Claws
>Mechanicus Standard Grey basecoat
>Nuln oil wash
>Mechanicus Standard Grey drybrush/highlight
>Dawnstone drybrush/highlight

Pink fleshy bits
>Pink horror layered until it's an even color
>Druchii Violet wash

Guns
>Daemonette Hide basecoat
>Druchii Violet wash
>Genestealer purple highlight

Eyes are warpstone glow dotted with moot green.
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Wait hold on.


People actually do NOT thin their paints? That is absolute heresy, thinning your paints in the NUMBER ONE rule that you learn, top kek
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>>55315605
>Abaddon was there and failed achieve anything
>"H-Horus was weak!"
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>>55315630
>>12-48" Battle cannon which ignores LoS

You forgot to mention part where it puts two wounds on its favorite targets on average.

Also, stop samefagging you endless autist. Or at least learn how to do it without being blatantly obvious.

>>55315639
>Abaddon who broke the dam.

Aba the Daba pressed a button and destroyed few buildings no one protected. His job was insultingly easy, because that's only thing he can actually do without failing horribly.

Magnus expanded on that with his sorcerers ritual, which is, combined with birth of elf god, which was probably planned by him and Tzeentch as well, what caused Rift to split the galaxy.

>>55315651
>only has to press a button
>still manages to lose a priceless battleship in process
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>>55315676
Cult troops are elites. If you want a melee squad Berzerkers are amazing, if you want shooty Noise Marines are the best.
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>>55315630
tfw I was just finally starting to paint my preds when the news dropped
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>>55315639
>He is using Chaos as much as he is using them. And his men as seen in Fall of Cadia are more loyal to him and vengeance than the gods.
Bravely ran away away...
(While basic bitch loyalist fearlessly fight to the death)
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>>55315610

/wip/ has a ton of painting info.

Good luck with Imperial Fists though, yellow is traditionally a very difficult color to get right.
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>>55314037
Put together most of my Relictors today, forgot how long it took. Still need to assemble the terminators and buy three more bikes, but on the plus side I don't think painting them will take that long, especially the rank and file.
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>>55315694
Oh, THOSE elites. I do r have any of those yet. I'm mostly working off of Calth and BoP
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>>55314073
Dude, where did those guits/hands come from? They look excellent, and there's nothing about this I don't love.
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>>55315677
Also a gloss topcoat followed by 2 matte topcoats. Gotta be just a bit shiny. A satin topcoat would work too, if you have one you like.
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>>55315639
>The backstabbing between Abaddon and the gods will happen once the Emperor falls.

>In some theoretical timeline where he isn't useless, armless manages to be in the same room as the Emperor when the latter slips on a bannana peel and dies
>Immediately turned into a Spawn
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>>55315529
I enjoyed it at the time, but now I kinda feel bad telling you to kill yourself earlier in case you're really as lonely and socially retarded as you seem.

I hope you know that it comes from a place of seeking slightly more expedient trips through the 40kg to parse through content without having to wade through pages of you starting unnecessary fights with other anons about minutiae re: your favorite space people's war stories.

I encourage you to make a thread of your very own for covering yourself in fight mud and arguing about black library stuff.

Also, I'm not the anon whose reading list you wanted to know, but I think it's pretty ludicrous to demand what is essentially "google great world literature" and comparing those results to admittedly amusing pulp sci fi of heavily varying quality ranging from "enjoyable pulp sci fi" to "unreadable pulp sci fi".

Anyways, stop making me wish you were dead so I can scroll faster.
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Seeing all these new DG units is really surprising me. I just thought they'd release some terminators, update the plague marines and morty when I first heard they were being worked on. Some of the new units I wouldn't have even thought of which really makes me even more impatient for an Emperor's Children overhaul.

Just imagine some of the units that they could get.
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>>55315698
I ordered 1 yesterday for my DG, gonna cancel it
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>>55315685
Abaddon was a marine. Primarchs were getting bitch slapped by airplanes at that event.
>>55315605
Raptors wrecking primarchs. Note that Horus would have died in the first attack run if Fulgrim did not cast his warp shield on the dome.

>>55315651
Explain to me how Trazyn shielding Cadia from the BSF beam and the Phalanx showing up to blow up BSE is Abaddon's fault? It's just you being a the usual lying cunt ain't it?

>>55315699
In Fall of CAdia, genius.

>Aba the Daba pressed a button and destroyed few buildings no one protected. His job was insultingly easy, because that's only thing he can actually do without failing horribly.

Wrong. Are that much of a moron that you can't open the CSM codex to read about who protected the Pylons?
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>>55315728
tl;dr

Please I do not have time to read walls of text if it isn't a part of thread discussion. It's an instant hide and don't read.
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>>55315706
That looks neat
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You see this? This is more powerful than a Primarch.
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Where to start with painting Astra Militaruim? I know its a weird question but i'm into urban colour schemes.. Seems like a weird army to paint
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>>55315741
>Abaddon was a marine. Primarchs were getting bitch slapped by airplanes at that event.
So remind me how many it takes to bitch slap the armless manlet again?

None, because he already ran away.
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Beginner here.
Are those datacards worth getting? Seem kind of redundant to me.
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>>55315686
>Also, stop samefagging you endless autist. Or at least learn how to do it without being blatantly obvious.

Why you so mad bro?
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>>55315777
Like how the Primarchs also ran away from battle?

Anyways, it shows that superior firepower can insta-kill even primarchs. The Eldar firepower is much more deadlier and accurate.
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>>55315741
>Explain to me how Trazyn shielding Cadia from the BSF beam and the Phalanx showing up to blow up BSE is Abaddon's fault? It's just you being a the usual lying cunt ain't it?

>"The most fortified planet in the segmentum has shields, how could I possibly have anticipated that?!"
>"Better leave my irreplaceable superweapon just sitting around with no support ships? There's an enemy team aboard it you say? Psh, what could they possibly do?"
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>>55315457
its a reverse roomba, rolls around making shit dirty
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>>55315423
>>55313260
Holy fucking shit the crazy pyramid head snake tail with eyes daemon busting out of the golden throne room through the eternity gate is the same fucking thing as the daemon pictured getting slain by the emperor on the god damn gate.
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>>55315741
>This triggers the Carnac
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>>55314707
That looks eerily similar to the current swarmlord. Didn't the Swamlord look like a big tyranid warrior before his current model came out?
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They're cool because they come with the Maelsteom objectives, too, plus having all the strategems right there is helpful. It's a lot easier than handing over the whole book.
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>>55315666
>stop making jokes or else!
Jesus christ you people are fucking pathetic
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>>55315791
See
>>55315835

Derp
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>>55314049
I'd disagree but yeah, even the retards at MWG found several printing errors.
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>>55315816
>>"The most fortified planet in the segmentum has shields, how could I possibly have anticipated that?!"

Are you a moron? Cadia wasn't shielded from a concentrated beam Warp-fuck you. No shield in the Imperium could withstand the BSE beam. The hastily built Gellar shield would have proven useless if Trazyn didn't augment it with Necron tech.

>>"Better leave my irreplaceable superweapon just sitting around with no support ships? There's an enemy team aboard it you say? Psh, what could they possibly do?"

Except it was supported. One after another. It's lets pretend to be retards club in here.
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>>55314236
Daemonettes and hordes of cultists with bodymods.
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>>55315829
The collection is on its way.
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>DG get 15 new units/characters, all with many options

Nice!

>TS get 6, few options on them

And you just know they won't update the TS range in at least a decade.

I'd rather get nothing than something small which is not updated for ages tbqh.
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>>55315799
>>55315630
Samefagging again!

Stop being so blatant, faggot.
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>>55315879
>I'd rather get nothing than something small
Why are Chaos kids so whiny and greedy?

>No one other than chaos should get things
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>>55315879
Man I'd be happy if I was you. No idea how you guys missed the Adjective Nounnoun bullshit but your model are nicer and less retarded than what DG just got. Stop bitching.
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How are Blood Angels in this game, what's their playstyle?
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>>55315856
It's just a kheres assault cannon with a big bayonet. Sorry, big dog - I think it would work nice with an autocannon though. If you wanted to stick with this, I feel like you'd want to extend the barrel somehow and maybe slap some chains or spikes around the weapon to obscure the somewhat iconic look of the kheres.
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>>55315879
Just you wait anon, i'm sure that Soulreaper Predator and Psychic Dreadnought will be a thing soon!

Pls GW
>>55315898
So you are actually retarded. Good to know, then.
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>>55315851
Allow me to demonstrate what actual success looks like.

>Abaddon can't break the will of ordinary humans
>CSM shit themselves at the mere thought of facing Guilliman
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>>55315905
Historically speaking close assaults.
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>>55315924
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>>55315924
How many times did the Cadians break in FoC? I counted three times. Celestine presence is what allowed them to hang on.
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>>55315924
Pictured: competence

>"B-But muh CSM are brave and l-loyal."
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>>55315935
LOL
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Why don't GW sell PAGK in boxes of 5 anymore? I just need the parts of 1 to build a Brotherhood Champion and all the bitz shops online don't have the parts I need. So my only option is to buy an entire box of 10 men just for 1 guy? This is retarded.
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>>55315935
The 8th never broke.
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>>55315766
What do you mean by 'where to start'? As long as you don't want camo, it's pretty straightforward. I've just started on them as well.
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>>55315935
>TFW you're pathetic to scare ordinary men
>TFW your brave warriors don't even have to see the enemy to cower from him
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>>55315968
Nope, they broke at least three time. Try reading through Fall of Cadia. Regaining their morale doesn't change the fact that they broke multiple times.

>>55315941
>>55315930
Except the Black Legion guys in the temple threw themselves at Girlyman and were willing to die by the boatload just to kill him.

Only when they were decimated and left without leaders did the last of the BL guys try to retreat. See you are lying again.
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>>55316009
See

>>55316012
Stop lying and omitting the truth. I got the books too.
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>>55316012
>Try to fight
>Get BTFO
>Run away like a little bitch

Black Legion in a nutshell, really.
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>>55315930
>People who were born 10,000 years after guilliman was killed will become emboldened by the mere sound of his name

Only GW
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>>55315941
>brave and loyal
>laughingnightlords.png
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Paint newbie here. About to paint my first few minis soon. Some quedtions came to mind:
>If I can't find an exact color tone, do I simply mix 2 colors together on a plate to create that one? Or switch to another color which comes close?
>If I somehow manage to fuck up (will do), how do I fix it? I know for metal figures you could use nail polih remover, but what about plastic models? Do I also need to re-basecoat them?
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>>55315930
Why would chaos falter at the chance to kill the sin of the false emperor?
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>>55316035
I mean, if you were told that equivalent of Magnus or Angron was about to smash your face in, you'd shit your pants as well.
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>>55316031
Except that would be the reaction of everyone. The weapons of the traitors couldn't get through Cawl\s primarch armor and the sorcery of their commanders was countered by the Grey Knights.

By the time, they wanted to retreat only a fewof them left.
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>>55315764
It's a fucking gunship, of course it is.
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>>55316057
>If I can't find an exact color tone, do I simply mix 2 colors together on a plate to create that one? Or switch to another color which comes close?


Find the main colour you want for the base coat
Then maybe a wash
Then if you want you can mix the basecoat with a little white to highlight

That is essentially the basis of paining, but you can add a lot more techniques

>Undercoat
>Base coat
>Potential wash
>Highlight
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>>55316035
He's a primarch. It wouldn't matter that it's been 10k years, the entire time the Ecclesiarchy has likely been teaching that he's a big deal. It's not hard to imagine that people in the Imperium would be pumped to be told one of the Emperor's sons walked again.
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>>55316035
Christians would hype the fuck out if they just heard Jesus came back to life.
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>>55316035
The non heretic Primarchs are considered legendary saintlike figures, having one rise from the dead to fight along side you probably would perk people up a bit
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>>55316075
>Magnus destroys space ships in orbit
>Horus, Morty, and Fulgrim get pounded by three gunships

HORUS.IS.WEAK.
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>>55316067
>Except that would be the reaction of everyone.

Bullshit. Magnus and TSons were fighting through Sister of Silence, Eldar and their god, Grey Knights lead by Grandmaster, Custodes adn Guilliman until they were literally pushed back through the portal, and even in their loss they forced Eldar to seal their Gateway on Luna.
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>>55316063
Everyone wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster shit.
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>>55316077
Alright thanks. Can I still mix up my 'own' base color as stated, or would it be better if I just buy one which is the closest? Talked with some friends about it and they all had different opinions on that. "Don't mix", "yeah it's fine" etc.
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>>55316097
The TS had the upper hand and Magnus was toying around with Girlyman while their forces fought. The TS weren't in a disadvantage. In fact, the gateway gambit was the only way to defeat Magnus since nothing was really hurting him.
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>>55316107
Sure you can make your own base colour, the only thing i would say though is you might find it a bit problematic in terms of running out of paint or getting the ration just right.

I know quite a few people who mix their paints for the base ,I used to do it when I painted some WW2 germans a while back. But if you can find the colour off the shelf I'd say buy it. If not go get mixing boy
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>>55315903
>Thinking anything the DG just got is retarded.

That's some shitty taste you got their, anon.
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>>55314861
FYI the arvus lighter does have a datasheet but its just been discontinued.
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>>55315898
>being this wrong on the internet
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>>55315832
You seem unfamiliar with tyranids.

Prior to the current model there was no such thing as the swarmlord. What you are looking at and talking about are Hive Tyrants. But you are correct, the current hive tyrant (the sculpt was introduced in 4th edition in metal, the current one is a plastic version of the same design) looks much more like the 2nd edition hive tyrant than the 3rd edition one did, which was not exactly like a huge warrior, but pretty similar.
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>>55316012
>Nope, they broke at least three time. Try reading through Fall of Cadia. Regaining their morale doesn't change the fact that they broke multiple times.

>TFW even Armless acknowledges he totally failed to break the spirit of ORDINARY HUMANS and is butthurt about it
>TFW Carnac tries to argue the point in his usual autistic manner
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>>55316107
You can mix, but keep in mind mixing takes a bit of practice to get right. Also there's various techniques to make the base color brighter/darker so what you start with may not look exactly the same way once you finish.
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>>55316075
>>55316095
Horus also solos the baron of knight house aetheryn. Pretty sure that's before getting swole off chaos, after which he soloed the emperor. And sanguinius.
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>>55316097
Only 2 Eldar that was there was Yvraine and the Autarch, the rest left before the Terran Crusade also I think it was just Voldus, I don't believe the mention any other Grey Knights being present.
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>>55316155
He managed to break them three times. He is pissed he didn't manage to break them a fourth time.
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>>55316159
Horus gets his ass kicked in the book by the Angel of Fire and was only able to beat it by dumbluck.

WEAK.WAS.HORUS.
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Holy shit, is Mortarion actually this small? His base is really really fucking flat
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>>55314311
"Civillians" are already playable, to an extent
Conscripts do not recieve much training, they recieve their armour and gun and are set to go.
Basically, civillians would be conscrips at best and completely worthless but insanely cheap at worst.
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>>55316012
>Except the Black Legion guys in the temple threw themselves at Girlyman and were willing to die by the boatload just to kill him.

Try to attack.
Lose instantly.

>The Black Legionnaires continued to hurl themselves at the reborn Lord of Ultramar, clearly willing to sustain any amount of casualties if it meant laying Guilliman low. Yet they were laughably outmatched in almost every regard.

PRIMARCHS AREN'T SHIT REEEEE

>Only when they were decimated and left without leaders did the last of the BL guys try to retreat. See you are lying again.

>Big bad CSM explicitly lose their nerve and try to flee
>Can't even succeed at that
>Meanwhile Loyalists Know No Fear
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>>55316171
Go to bed, Carnac.
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>>55316063
>Why would chaos falter at the chance to kill the sin of the false emperor?
Because they're pathetic and cowardly, duh.
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I like reading the pretend play testers writings cause I want to believe
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>>55314348
I wonder how fuckhuge Angron and Fulgrim are going to be. Fulgrim will probably be about the height of a Trygon, with his wings making him look way more massive, with Angron standing much taller than a bloodthirster. I know the lore says Magnus used to be biggest, but the lore also claims that Angron is now titan sized.
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>>55316212
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Decided my IF force needed a Prinaris Ancient; despite needing drilling and trimming, how does it look?
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>>55316182
>Abaddon is present
>Pinned down easily and accomplishes nothing
>Carnac thinks this makes *Horus* look bad
Meanwhile...
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>>55316188
Except you wanted to show them as cowards when they ain't. They charged the primarch and were willingly to selflessly die to kill him.
Only when all hope was lost did the last of them try to flee.

So got BTFO....again. Now you trying to steer the conversation away from that fact.

>>Meanwhile Loyalists Know No Fear

No. Picture related.

>>55316192
No.
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>>55316219
They work well as hype men
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>>55316227
That was Abaddon as a marine. Much weaker than a Primarch. Horus in the book gets almost killed by a gunship and thrown around by an angel. Both put him in grave danger.

And you bitch at Abaddon ducking away from Eldar fire when Primarchs were made bitches by primitive Imperial fire.
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>>55316182
>"The angel spun to face him, releasing Abaddon from its crackling barbs. The First Captain fell to his front, broiled near death by divine fire"

Oh look, it's a Carnac didn't even bother to read his own source episode.

>Armless is easily BTFO by the angel
>Horus kills it
>Carnac thinks this makes HORUS look bad
How can anyone be this autistic?
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>>55316257
Horus killed it through dumbluck. If he lost Worldbreaker when he was plunged in the water, then he wouldn't been able to beat the angel. How can you be so dumb that you just zoom in and don't see what's being written down in its entirety?
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>>55316220
Pretty cool my man
>>
>always liked Thousand Sons
>was going to do them for HH
>they didn't have rules yet
>also didn't have new stuff for 40k yet
>decide to do Night Lords instead
>get some HH plastic sets and some recast upgrades for flavor
>get to work on my batmans
>new thousand sons come out
>already balls deep in my night lords
>keep playing them and enjoy their TL rules all the same
>fast forward to today
>still have feelings for thousand sons
>would have painted them as Amon's boys
I still kind of want to get some 1ks stuff for 40k, though I don't want to kill the fluff. Having some Rubrics painted in NL colors sounds cool as shit, though.
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anyone know whats the stats on heavy blight launcher and the plague crawlers volley gun?
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>>55316232
You mofos can't read so good. Better cut it up for you.

>Again, Tigurius was surprised and horrified at the ancient intelligence in that gaze. It was like the mechanoid was appraising a laboratorium specimen. The sensation was unsettling. Tigurius knew enough of the galaxy and its species to realise mankind’s pre-eminence was far from assured. Alien races clamoured to devour, usurp or study humans. It was part of the reason the Emperor had created Space Marines. But the necrontyr were something different, something so old and enduring that even an Adeptus Astartes as powerful as Tigurius was given pause.

>Victory against this aeons-old culture with all their knowledge of the universe, their advanced technology, it was… impossible. They should give in now, submit to the will of the necrons and accept annihilation. They should–

>Stop! The psychic echo was as much a command to his own subconscious as it was to the metal monster. Reasserting his composure, Tigurius smiled mirthlessly at the Voidbringer. ‘I thought the other one was the Herald of Dismay.’

Look at the horror and fear that ran inside Varro's mind when he confronted a Necron Lord.
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>>55315248
That scene reminds me of the original Dawn of War Intro video, you know where the orks blow up the dread and the explosion takes out everything around it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-E1RcRvny8
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>>55316288
No.
My guess is the HBL will be a +12 " 2d3 shots +1 s/ap remabe of the regular one.
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Thoughts on having the twistbray of a tzaangors unit using an axe? My dual axes bit was broken on the sprue and i feel this way makes it look distinct. None of the weapons made the model look more imposing i don't think though than the other 9
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>>55316301
And there is more. The White Scars FEAR being turned into Dreadnoughts. Know no fear my AAAAYS.

>‘My tanks are dead,’ Cemakar said, staring up at the lightening sky. ‘Now so am I.’ His gaze sharpened, just for a moment. ‘They’ll make me a Ghost Warrior, boy,’ he rasped, and there was real fear in his words. For the first time, in his final moments, Old Shatterhand was frightened. The thought of being interred within the armoured sarcophagus of a Dreadnought caused even the staunchest warrior of the ordu to quail. To be made one of the Ghost Warriors meant an eternity of sterile slaughter, never to feel the wind or taste the blood of the enemy. Bloody fingers dug into Kor’sarro’s arm. ‘Don’t let them.’ He coughed. His eyes were wide. Blood spattered into his beard. Then with a querulous sigh, his face went slack, and his hands flopped limply to the snow.
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>>55316232
>Except you wanted to show them as cowards when they ain't. They charged the primarch and were willingly to selflessly die to kill him.
Pictured: courage.

>Only when all hope was lost did the last of them try to flee.

>The last of the heretic leaders lost his nerve, barking orders at his underlings to cover his retreat from the shrine. The Sorcerer turned, lumbering in his Terminator armour, and found himself face to face with Roboute Guilliman.

>Loses his nerve
>Orders his underlings to die to he can run away
>Too stupid to realize Terminators go nowhere fast
>Too blind to notice the ~14 foot Primarch standing right behind him
Impressive boys you got there, armless.

>So got BTFO....again. Now you trying to steer the conversation away from that fact.
Sweet Emperor he really is dumb enough to believe this.

>No. Picture related.

>At no point in this long cap does Tigerius feel any fear or try to run away
LMAO this is too good.
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>>55316332
>Pictured: courage.

Except that Imperials have broken and ran many times including in Fall of Cadia.

>>Orders his underlings to die to he can run away

Which they did. The Black Legion guys are loyal. In fact. in the Red Path series, the Hounds of Abaddon threw themselves at Kharn to save their commander.

>Sweet Emperor he really is dumb enough to believe this.

You are dumb enough to not see how much you are whooped.

>LMAO this is too good.

What's too good is you too dumb to realize that you were proven wrong. You said know no fear when in fact they DO know fear. They are not fearless.
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>>55316329
White Scar deathwatch devastator freezes in HORROR when he gets outplayed by a Lychguard

>The necrons altered the angle of their shields, and the warriors of the Ordo Xenos suddenly found Tanaka’s stream of bolter fire being redirected back at them.

>Cassiel was struck in the shoulder, half spinning him, and other rounds screamed by him, missing by scant centimetres.

>He turned his head instinctively, registering an incoming bolt a fraction of a second before it took him between the eyes. It still struck a glancing blow, and the resulting detonation ruined his vision in a haze of grainy static, and kicked his neck to one side.

>He tore his helmet off. The whole left hemisphere was a mess of torn metal and fractured ceramite, and his left eye lens was shattered. He could feel blood trickling down his temple. He cast the ruined helm aside.

>The head of one of the storm troopers disappeared in a red mist, and another was torn bodily in two as a stream of fire cut through his midsection.

>Tanaka cut off his volley with an anguished cry, aghast at the carnage he had wrought. No storm trooper had been left standing. Their blood was sprayed across the ice.

>One of the flesh-wearers took its opportunity, leaping upon the White Scar as he stared in horror at the dead. He tried to raise his weapon, but he was too slow and the creature too close. It thrust its talons into his faceplate. Two of the blades smashed straight through his visor lenses, driving deep into his brain. He died instantly, slumping to the ground.
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>>55314073
would be cooler if you did the imperial guiterist converson so you could play in tournees
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>>55316251
>That was Abaddon as a marine.
Abaddon is still a marine.

>If he lost Worldbreaker when he was plunged in the water, then he wouldn't been able to beat the angel.

>If he hadn't won he'd have lost
I'm curious as to how well you think Abaddon would fare if he dropped Drach'nyen during Greyfax's psychic attack.

Also:
>Text calls the Emperor a god and his creation an angel
>Carnac loves to screech about how the Emperor isn't a god

BTFO again.

>And you bitch at Abaddon ducking away from Eldar fire when Primarchs were made bitches by primitive Imperial fire.
Don't forget the time he ran away from lasguns while accompanied by retinue of Terminators.
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What are the best places to watch long battle reports? (no paid ones and with dice rolls)
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Abaddon is fucking lame. The Primarch are back in town now why are we bothering to talk about him?

Seriously his 13th BC achieved nothing and 100 years later he's irrelevant again.
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>>55316329
>And there is more. The White Scars FEAR being turned into Dreadnoughts.

>"No. No! Not the sarcophagus... Khorne damn you, you disloyal curs, just kill me. JUST KILL ME!"
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Don't mix your paints with cum, it goes very wrong.
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>>55316220
Why people asembly before removing mold lines?
Is this some kind of fetish?
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>>55316435
Don't eat razors, it goes very wrong
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>>55316437
Not that anon but not removing imperfections until you know exactly what the fuck you will do with it helps with hand sculping changes into the model, so to not need too much green stuff(which is way harder to work with than the plastic itself when used for very small fillers).
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>>55314209
Whoever was picked, Chaos would have done their damnedest to corrupt them.

>>55314276
>>55314295
>>55314345
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>>55315215
>pretty good
>furaffinity logo on kneepad
pick one
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>>55316403
>Abaddon is still a marine.

More than a marine thanks to the blessings of the Chaos Gods. It's as stupid as saying that Celestine is still an SoB.

>I'm curious as to how well you think Abaddon would fare if he dropped Drach'nyen during Greyfax's psychic attack.

Wha....like what? Do you people actually read the text or just zoom in at whatever supports you arguments? Abaddon used his own willpower to push back at Greyfax. Drach'nyen does not protect Abaddon.

>>Carnac loves to screech about how the Emperor isn't a god

That's Horus's thoughts about the situation. If you agree with Horus that he is god then you must agree with him that he gained us godhood from Molech.

And as far as I remember I never argued about the divinity about the Emperor. I only argued about if Girlyman sees him as a god or not. Once again, you throw words in my mouth.

>Don't forget the time he ran away from lasguns while accompanied by retinue of Terminators.

He escaped before he got stranded on Cadia.
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>>55316431
"You speak irrelevances"

CSM aren't boosted as being fearless.
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>>55315829

>Reaped like Corn

This bothers me for reasons I can't put my finger on.
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>>55316371
>Except that Imperials have broken and ran many times including in Fall of Cadia.

Except Abaddon was the one who ran away (twice) while acknowledging he totally fauled to break them:

>As the Vengeful Spirit’s teleport anchors engaged, the honourable warrior Abaddon had once been acknowledged the feat Cadia’s defenders had managed. They had lost, though they did not yet know it. But they had also won. He had sought to break Cadia’s spirit, send the vanquished souls of its garrisons screaming into the Warp. He had not done so.
It hilarious how even a pathetic loser like him is more willing to own up to the reality of the situation than you.

>Which they did.
They ran away screaming while their brothers outside shit themselves at the mere mention of Guilliman's name, lol.

>The Black Legion guys are loyal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WEWuOERVmI
>"Eliphas, you treasonous dog! NO!"
>*dies like a bitch*

>You said know no fear when in fact they DO know fear. They are not fearless.
Literally have a rule that they Know No Fear and have always had it. CSM? Do not.
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>>55316494
There's an extra e
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>>55316497
>>55316497
>Except Abaddon was the one who ran away (twice) while acknowledging he totally fauled to break them:

Doesn't change the fact that Imperials broke. Quit trying to muddy the waters. EAch time I catch you at something you try to squirm out.

>They ran away screaming while their brothers outside shit themselves at the mere mention of Guilliman's name, lol.

Except that they fought Girlyman nearly to the last. You cannot deny this.

>>The Black Legion guys are loyal.

Eliphas is a slave to the legion, not a member. And it doesn't change the fact that the BL acted selflessly.

>Literally have a rule that they Know No Fear and have always had it. CSM? Do not.

TT =/= lore. L-marines know fear. They know horror. Period. Phil Kelly stamped it.
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>>55316468
>More than a marine thanks to the blessings of the Chaos Gods
And still as useless as he was back then, go figure.

>Wha....like what? Do you people actually read the text or just zoom in at whatever supports you arguments? Abaddon used his own willpower to push back at Greyfax. Drach'nyen does not protect Abaddon.
Are you as dumb as you seem? If "Horus sucks because he used Worldbreaker to OHKO the critter Abaddon lost easily to" is your choice of argument then "Abaddon sucks because without Drach'nyen he'd have lost to Celestine" is equally valid.

>And as far as I remember I never argued about the divinity about the Emperor.
You've literally declared the Emperor not a god dozens of times in the brief years I've been here.

>He escaped before he got stranded on Cadia.
Accompanied by scores of marines with Terminator bodyguards. Needs to run from men with lasguns.
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Why are Imperialfags such forgetful little shits? They mock the decimated Black Legion from trying to run from a primarch when the L-marines have more embarrassing examples o cowardice.

Remember when Shadowsun killed the Raven Guard chapter master and this caused the while multiple chapter marine forces to go into a rout. The marines did a mass retreat while the Tau chased them. the Imperial guard had to deploy to cover the marine rout. So what's the loyaliss excuse?
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Codex Death guard when?
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>>55316599
Preorder yesterday

Released Saturday

Numbnuts
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>>55316576
>And still as useless as he was back then, go figure.

Nope. Vastly more powerful. Kharn for example is a child to him.

>Are you as dumb as you seem? If "Horus sucks because he used Worldbreaker to OHKO the critter Abaddon lost easily to" is your choice of argument then "Abaddon sucks because without Drach'nyen he'd have lost to Celestine" is equally valid.

Nope, Celestine was overpowered and was defeated with a bitch slap. She was running around the battlefield while Greyfax distracted him. Abaddon is more than capable of running after Celestine and killing his way towards her with just the Talon.

>You've literally declared the Emperor not a god dozens of times in the brief years I've been here.

I don't remember. I have no steak in such arguments.

>Accompanied by scores of marines with Terminator bodyguards. Needs to run from men with lasguns.

Won't mean shit if he gets stranded there with 800 million loyalists. Are you seriously too moronic to understand this?

>>55316599
Next Saturday.
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>>55316524
>Doesn't change the fact that Imperials broke. Quit trying to muddy the waters. EAch time I catch you at something you try to squirm out.
Abaddon himself says they didn't. Why do you keep lying, Carnac?

>Except that they fought Girlyman nearly to the last. You cannot deny this.
Their cowardly leader tried to the ditch them, failed, then they ran away and, surprise, also failed.

>Eliphas is a slave to the legion, not a member.

>Wears the colors of the Black Legion
>Commands a warband of the Legion
>Not a member
Truly you are desperate.

>And it doesn't change the fact that the BL acted selflessly.
Literally only fight together because they're terrified of their psychopathic leader. He's pretty likely to just kill them anyway for no reason.

>They know horror. Period. Phil Kelly stamped it.
Funny how not a single example you posted has the Marines running away like your cowardly BL boys.
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>>55316423
TableTop Tactics
Good quality armies, nice terrain, rolls, very little forced jokes.
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>>55316423
I like Miniwargaming, but if you have a problem with rules errors, then yes, it could be a problem.
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>>55316645
>Abaddon himself says they didn't. Why do you keep lying, Carnac?

Except I said in general. And the text in FoC is clear. Cadians broke many times in the conflict.

>Their cowardly leader tried to the ditch them, failed, then they ran away and, surprise, also failed.

But they fought on until all hope was lost. No different than loyalists.

>Truly you are desperate.

Still a slave. Abaddon did not trust him and leashed him.

>Literally only fight together because they're terrified of their psychopathic leader. He's pretty likely to just kill them anyway for no reason.

No. They threw themselves at Kharn, a guy they knew was a bloodthirsty legend, who had just threw down their commander. One of them stepped into Kharn's swing to protect his leader.

Even Kharn's fellow berzerker admired their dedication to protect their commander.

>Funny how not a single example you posted has the Marines running away like your cowardly BL boys.

See >>55316577. Also Damnos round 1. Then you have that one time when the Red Scorpions ran from Tyranids.
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Is it just me who hates seeing Guilliman and Magnus on EVERY.SINGLE.FUCKING.TABLE?!?!?!

Now there's gonna be Mortarion too?!
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>>55316606
>Nope. Vastly more powerful. Kharn for example is a child to him.
Yet Abaddon still needs him in preference to his own pathetic minions. Why is that I wonder?

>Nope, Celestine was overpowered and was defeated with a bitch slap. She was running around the battlefield while Greyfax distracted him. Abaddon is more than capable of running after Celestine and killing his way towards her with just the Talon.
Then why don't you actually prove it?

>I don't remember. I have no steak in such arguments.
I would certainly imagine you have no "steak" in any arguments in which you get BTFO.

>Won't mean shit if he gets stranded there with 800 million loyalists. Are you seriously too moronic to understand this?
100 marines is enough to conquer worlds. Plural.

>As one, the Dreadclaws irised open to disgorge squad after squad of heretical killers. An entire traitor warband surged into battle, the Talons of the Despoiler deployed en masse to sweep away all resistance in the shrine. It was a force whose combined strength could subdue worlds, one hundred super-human murderers, fresh and ready for battle. The Black Legion reinforcements struck the Imperial defence like a battering ram.

>Trapped
>Your fleet in orbit overhead
>What's dropships
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>>55316454
This makes no sense at all. How does having sprue nubs help anything?
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>>55316698
We have their stats now who wins the 1v1s?

Also no it'll be Guilliman vs Magnus and Mortarion ;^)
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>>55316722
The daemon primarchs win everytime
It's not even a question
They are primarchs but more powerful
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>>55316707
>>55316707
>Yet Abaddon still needs him in preference to his own pathetic minions. Why is that I wonder?

The same reason Horus needed Angron.

>Then why don't you actually prove it?

Prove what? At the point of the battle, Celestine was just a normal human running away from Abaddon.

>I would certainly imagine you have no "steak" in any arguments in which you get BTFO.

In your imagination?

>100 marines is enough to conquer worlds. Plural.

Not a world like Cadia. Please stop making stupid statements unless you want to tell me that Terra can be taken by 100 marines.

>>Your fleet in orbit overhead

Pylons and dropships would have been shot down. They needed to get out of Cadia and shut down the pylon asap before the Pylons sealed the Eye.
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>>55316722
>We have their stats now who wins the 1v1s?

Magnus wins. He should be stronger in general, and he is both more likely to charge in first, and he is both likely to get powers off and to deny Mortarion as well.

Although murdering things in 1v1 is kind of his thing, while Mortarion is better against units.
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>>55316754
these huge posts like these are so boring to read and really slow down the threads
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What's a Carnac?
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>>55316755
>Although murdering things in 1v1 is kind of his thing
That hurts to read.
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>>55316768
I blame ADB haters. They are obsessed.
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>>55316695
>Except I said in general. And the text in FoC is clear. Cadians broke many times in the conflict.
I said Abaddon couldn't scare them off. Abaddon agrees with me. Once again, you're shamelessly lying.

>But they fought on until all hope was lost. No different than loyalists.
Explicitly lost their nerve, bitch.

>Still a slave. Abaddon did not trust him and leashed him.
Literally everyone in the Black Legion is a slave to be murdered at the demented whimsy of a lunatic. Like pic related.

>No. They threw themselves at Kharn, a guy they knew was a bloodthirsty legend, who had just threw down their commander. One of them stepped into Kharn's swing to protect his leader.
It's right there in black and white:

>ONLY their collective fear of the Despoiler forces them to suffer cooperation.
When will you quit lying?

>See >>55316577. Also Damnos round 1. Then you have that one time when the Red Scorpions ran from Tyranids.

>Make a tactical retreat
>Explicitly lose their nerve
Another difference is of course that the CSM outside pissed their pants at the mention of Guilliman's name. And that had they actually made it home Abaddon would have just had them tortured to death for no reason.
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I've been tempted to pick up chaos space marines recently. How are they this edition? In particular the Slannesh side/slanneshi daemon princes.
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>>55316776
>Obsessed
Literally everytime anyone mocks your precious Armless the Harmless or Be'lacuck you show up for another round of autistic screeching.
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>>55316776
Go back to >>>/lgbt/ carnac
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>>55316817
Very good. Noise Marines and Zerkers in Rhinos are in particular very competitive, although most lists can hold their ground against your standard LGS fare.

ES are very strong thanks to noise marines and always attacking first. Their Daemon Prince can get pretty amazing +1A/S relic making him complete murdermashine.
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>>55316776
>>55316820
>>55316823
unironically this name calling is less gay than those huge post quoting each other
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>>55315712
Not him, so I don't know the exact models chosen for sure, but these are probably them.
http://www.spellcrow.com/guitars-with-hands-p-276.html

Here's some more from a different company.
http://zealotminiatures.com/shop-2/#!/Rocker-Sprue/p/26884513/category=6272033
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>>55316801
>I said Abaddon couldn't scare them off. Abaddon agrees with me. Once again, you're shamelessly lying.

Not the point. The point that Cadians broke.

>Explicitly lost their nerve, bitch.

The commander did. The troops only started to flee once their leaders died and they were hopeless.

>Literally everyone in the Black Legion is a slave to be murdered at the demented whimsy of a lunatic. Like pic related.

Nope, a lot of the Black Legion like Ruven are true believers.

>It's right there in black and white:

It isn't.

>When will you quit lying?

Doesn't disprove anything I said. Abaddon being ruthless doesn't magically erase all the brotherhood that exists between factions within the BL. Infighting happens but that's the nature of traitors.

>Another difference is of course that the CSM outside pissed their pants at the mention of Guilliman's name. And that had they actually made it home Abaddon would have just had them tortured to death for no reason.

Look at the goalpost moving. Two incidents had loyalists lose their commanders which led them to give up the fight and run. Just the same as the temple battle.

The Red Scorpions ran for even less. They were scared that the Tyranids would devour their purity or some junk.
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>>55316817
Really strong but that could be because they've had their codex full of buffs first.
Slaanesh gets all the best shooting, noise marines and an ability that allows Slaanesh units to shoot twice is is stupidly powerful.

If you're looking to start EC then they get 'Always Strikes First' as their legion trait, useless vs ranged armies but gives you a huge edge over melee armies.
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>>55316754
>The same reason Horus needed Angron
In other words not at all? Because Angron's idiocy was a continuous hindrance to his war effort.

>Prove what? At the point of the battle, Celestine was just a normal human running away from Abaddon.
That Abaddon could beat Celestine without Drach'nyen.

>In your imagination?
Sad, you are.

>Not a world like Cadia. Please stop making stupid statements unless you want to tell me that Terra can be taken by 100 marines.
All he had to do was take one location, not the entire fucking planet. He couldn't even manage that.

>They needed to get out of Cadia and shut down the pylon asap before the Pylons sealed the Eye.
So basically all they need to do to defeat Chaos is construct additional pylons?
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>have a bunch of pink horrors
>have a few princes.
>old metal LoC
>few screamers and flamers
>theyre all shit right now
>daemons are shit outside of memestone spam
>mfw
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>>55316820
>Implying you don't like it

You want me on that WALL.
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>>55316698
Used to be knights, times change and people like their centerpieces.

I'll be gettgin Morty but he'll only go on the table if there's another Primarch/LoW for him to play with.
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>>55316859
Exalted Flamer spam is actually pretty good too
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>>55316859
screamers and flamers arnt so bad right now, if you are trying to just WAAC it they arnt the best best but they still do some work.
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>>55316859
memestone spam and flamers, LoC is almost the least shit greater daemon.

What pisses me off is they hit PINK HORRORS with a nerf because brimstones and being giant shitters. I HATE that my lovely pinkies are forced to be grouped together with blues and brimstones and are being dragged down for it.
Let me tell you, there is no way to balance brimstones other than reduce their toughness which GW will never do because they're part of a squad with pink horrors which would mean they've got squads with mixed toughness which is something they wanted to get rid of in 8th.

They never should have been part of the same unit.
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>>55316836
>>55316851

That's cool to hear. I've got a single model right now (A custom job a I did ages ago with parts) that I was planning to do as the daemon prince. I like melee (I normally play SOB so it's a fun change) so the EC bonus sounds great for what I wanted.

How much do people mind people using custom models for daemon princes? It's roughly the same size as the normal daemon prince (Due to basing. The actual model is a lot smaller) I was going with a bit of the 'Slanneshi obsession' idea over the usual drugs and rock and roll.
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>>55316855
>In other words not at all? Because Angron's idiocy was a continuous hindrance to his war effort.

Don't throw your headcanon in. Horus needed Angron's legion. Abaddon needed Kharn because he ironically can unite a massive force of Khornates around him that Abaddon can used and have used.

>That Abaddon could beat Celestine without Drach'nyen.

There is no text that says Celestine can't be beaten by anything but Drach'nyen. Celestine went down to Kharn a guy that Abaddon mainly used only his Talon to beat down. Abaddon was faster than Kharn could react. So yes. Celestine goes down to Abaddon without Drac'nyen.

>Sad, you are.

Sad your condition right now.

>All he had to do was take one location, not the entire fucking planet. He couldn't even manage that.

He came down as a challenge for himself not because he had to. Kill Celestine and stop the pylons from firing off. Celestine kept being a cowardly bitch that hid behind Creed, Greyfax, and tons of Cadians as he chased her. Celestine refused to stand and fight and the pylons started up. This signaled that it's time to leave.


>So basically all they need to do to defeat Chaos is construct additional pylons?

Motherfucker, yes. That's why Cawl is creating the Imperial Pylons with an end goal of shutting the Great Rift and sealing Chaos.
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>>55316709
The momment you try to stick together two pieces which were not meant to be together but are just too thin to cut and mold, so, you use the mold marks as hooks or spikes where to fix said piece. Or when you are sculpting something that 'comes out' of the model, its when you can use it as anchorage for said attachment.

As i said before it is only usefull while grafting stuff into small areas, and thats when such exist, so, if you are planning to make a large ammount of grafts into a model i suggest you to plan it before cleaning and look at a few guides, but, just one thing; Pelter grafting tecs doesn't work on plastic.
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And about 100 marines conquering planets... That's proven bullshit. It's just an hyperbole.

In practice that never really happens. In Prefectia, for example, the Tau killed hundreds of marines and gravely injured many more in the initial stages of the war on the planet.
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>>55316850
>Not the point. The point that Cadians broke.
They held their damn ground while Abaddon went crying weee weee weee all the way home.

>The commander did. The troops only started to flee once their leaders died and they were hopeless.
Sorcerers have higher morale than CSM.

>Nope, a lot of the Black Legion like Ruven are true believers.
Abaddon abandoned Ruven to be tortured and murdered for no goddamn, thus further proving my point.

>It isn't.
"I don't like it so it isn't true."

>Doesn't disprove anything I said. Abaddon being ruthless doesn't magically erase all the brotherhood that exists between factions within the BL.
GW says you're wrong. Fear, and fear ONLY.

>Infighting happens but that's the nature of traitors.
I thought the Emperor was the real traitor?

>"Infighting"
>Abaddon sacrifices the souls of his own loyal men to daemons after making them kill each other on a whim
>Instead of just training them to fight better

>Look at the goalpost moving. Two incidents had loyalists lose their commanders which led them to give up the fight and run. Just the same as the temple battle.
It's funny because you keep failing to observe that the weakling Abaddon sent to kill Guilliman ordered his men to go die out of raw cowardice while the loyalists made an ordered retreat before returning to fight.

>The Red Scorpions ran for even less. They were scared that the Tyranids would devour their purity or some junk
A handful of marines against a planet worth of nids including at least three bio titans.
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>>55316860
What can I say? You're such an easily-triggered faggot messing with you can be amusing.
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For Night Lord raptors, should I go Nurgle for the additional -1ld icon recommended in the legion focus article, or Khorne for the icon of re-roll charges to try and get them into combat straight after deep striking?
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>>55316946
>Tau being written as glorious supreme fighters in their own fluff

wow good point
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>>55316947
>They held their damn ground while Abaddon went crying weee weee weee all the way home.

They didn't before that. It's a plot point in the book.

>Sorcerers have higher morale than CSM.

Don't TT me. Sorcerers are more cowardly than the warrior types in the fluff.

>Abaddon abandoned Ruven to be tortured and murdered for no goddamn, thus further proving my point.

Even Khayon notes that Abaddon is becoming more ruthless and corrupted thanks to Drach'nyen's influence. HOWEVER, Ruven was still a true believer.

>"I don't like it so it isn't true."

You mean because there are other sources that expand on it.

>I thought the Emperor was the real traitor?

That's what unites them despite being what they are.

>>Abaddon sacrifices the souls of his own loyal men to daemons after making them kill each other on a whim

Gaining the favor of Khorne is more useful.

>It's funny because you keep failing to observe that the weakling Abaddon sent to kill Guilliman ordered his men to go die out of raw cowardice while the loyalists made an ordered retreat before returning to fight.

Sorcerer guy made a treacherous move. Big surprise. Troop-wise, both factions fought bravely until their leaders were lost which was the point where they decided to run.

>A handful of marines against a planet worth of nids including at least three bio titans.

It wasn't hat that made them run.
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>>55316940
that there is bad logic, the plastic glue you should be using is more than enough to keep the 2 bits of plastic together without any sort of "hooking plastic"
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>>55316921
>Don't throw your headcanon in. Horus needed Angron's legion. Abaddon needed Kharn because he ironically can unite a massive force of Khornates around him that Abaddon can used and have used.
It was Angron's idiocy that bogged the Legions down on Istvaan III. Horus complains to Mortarion that he's an almost uncontrollable lunatic in "Path of Heaven".

Wait, I thought Abaddon was the big strong unifer even Primarchs bowed to? Oh wait:

>A Clear Message (983.M41) - Warmaster Abaddon sends envoys to demand the Skullsworn swear allegiance to his cause. Some months later, the envoys' corpses are returned to Abaddon by leering Daemons, their heads missing and the rune of Khorne carved into their chests.
He tries, gods bless him.

>There is no text that says Celestine can't be beaten by anything but Drach'nyen.
And there's no text stating Abaddon can beat Kharne or Celestine without it.

>Celestine kept being a cowardly bitch that hid behind Creed, Greyfax, and tons of Cadians as he chased her.
Hides behind Terminator bodyguard, runs away screaming at the first whiff of danger.

>Motherfucker, yes. That's why Cawl is creating the Imperial Pylons with an end goal of shutting the Great Rift and sealing Chaos
So Chaos isn't the inevitable victor of everything forever, huh. Glad you admit it.
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>>55316990
A lot of /tg/ seems to prefer superglue so they can make a freezer do-over when they inevitably fuck up.
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>>55317001
>It was Angron's idiocy that bogged the Legions down on Istvaan III. Horus complains to Mortarion that he's an almost uncontrollable lunatic in "Path of Heaven".

Still needed his legion.

>Wait, I thought Abaddon was the big strong unifer even Primarchs bowed to? Oh wait:

Neither was Horus because as he was betrayed by nearly everyone except Morty,

>And there's no text stating Abaddon can beat Kharne or Celestine without it.

Except there is. Read the Kharn vs Abaddon fight. I want you to change each time Abaddon punched Kharn with the Talon with Abaddon using the Talon as it was meant to be used instead of balling it up to form a blunt weapon. The fight would have ended in the first blow. With Kharn eviscerated before he can even react.

>Hides behind Terminator bodyguard, runs away screaming at the first whiff of danger.

Nope, the description about Abaddon chasing Celestine has him creating rivers of blood and gore as he waded through the Cadians in search of Celestine.

>So Chaos isn't the inevitable victor of everything forever, huh. Glad you admit it.

Why do throw words in my mouth. Now tell me where did I say that the Imperial Pylons are gonna work? Nowhere. Much like every effort to contain the warp by the Imperium, it's gonna inevitably fail.
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>>55316887
I don't actually have exalted flamers, though. I have some pic related that I wanted to use as Exalteds, but they're so small compared to even normal flamers.

>>55316892
I don't want to be WAAC, which is why I didn't really get invested in the last edition. My stuff was bought during the days of the 4th edition Codex. What I want is for them to be enjoyable, and I'm just not seeing it.

>>55316908
Yea. I was totally expecting them to work like they do in Sigmar, but I guess that's not what they wanted. Personally, I think the whole splitting thing was a mistake and its obvious GW did it as a huge cash grab. I get it, splitting was part of the lore and even part of old fantasy rules, but there was a reason they did away with it.

Ugh. I just don't want to have to buy 2 Blue/Brim boxes for every box of horrors I have. That's fucking ridiculous.
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>>55316975
>taking marked units as Night Lords
Found the WAAC fag!
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>>55316940
>giving advice when you don't know how plastic glue works
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>>55317019
brittle models seems like a bad idea, and even if you are using contact glue you can usually still just run a knife in there and separate the pieces
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>>55316983
>They didn't before that. It's a plot point in the book.
Yes, they did. To this day, 100 years later filled to the brim with armless flailing, the Guard remains unbroken.

>Don't TT me. Sorcerers are more cowardly than the warrior types in the fluff.
He's a Terminator, that adds quite a but (unless you're Abaddon).

>Even Khayon notes that Abaddon is becoming more ruthless and corrupted thanks to Drach'nyen's influence. HOWEVER, Ruven was still a true believer.
"I believed right up until I met Abaddon and I was rewarded with torture and painful death."

The treatment of Kranon and the Crimson Slaughter show where that gets you - used as canon fodder.

>You mean because there are other sources that expand on it.
More recent sources retcon past ones and GW > BL.

>That's what unites them despite being what they are.
They literally just chimped out and sold themselves to daemons because they were too dumb to realize there's more to managing an empire than hitting shit with swords forever.

>Gaining the favor of Khorne is more useful.
He's so brotherly! You heard it here first folks. The Emperor going back home is treason but Abaddon slaughtering loyal men for daemonic pacts is a-ok.

Don't do Chaos, kids. This is what it does to you.

>Sorcerer guy made a treacherous move. Big surprise
Abaddon selected him to off a Primarch. You know, since he allegedly had 6 of them bowing to him you'd think he'd have someone up to the job.

>It wasn't hat that made them run.
Yes, it was. They were grotesquely outnumbered.
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>>55317076
Freezer is mostly to also make the glue come off completely instead of having to pick it out with a knife and file.
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>>55317052
>I don't want to be WAAC
Then dont be, play what you want and dont pay for all the extra blue and brims if you only want to use pinks.

If you are playing against armies that are always sweeping you then maybe consider asking people to tone down their lists or find someone else to play.
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>>55317049
>Except there is. Read the Kharn vs Abaddon fight. I want you to change each time Abaddon punched Kharn with the Talon with Abaddon using the Talon as it was meant to be used instead of balling it up to form a blunt weapon. The fight would have ended in the first blow. With Kharn eviscerated before he can even react.
Drach'nyen augments his strength and abilities, so that doesn't constitute proof.

>Neither was Horus because as he was betrayed by nearly everyone except Morty,
They obeyed Horus. They're not even pretending to help Abaddon.

>Nope, the description about Abaddon chasing Celestine has him creating rivers of blood and gore as he waded through the Cadians in search of Celestine.
He was shortly to run away from those exact same Cadians, later Eldar.

>Why do throw words in my mouth.

>"So basically all they need to do to defeat Chaos is construct additional pylons?"
>"Motherfucker, yes"
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>>55316908
While I always loved the Pink/Blue Horror gimmick in practice going way back to when it was first established, its just not a fun way to play. I wish they'd thought of a more elegant way to implement it.
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>>55317118

It's not just that, it's that the army isn't even enjoyable. Pinks are garbage and hindered by the cancerous tumor of brimstone. It's a shame, really because I love the squiggly shits in lore (metal horrors are better than muscle horrors).

>>55317128
But then they wouldn't be aw to seek hundreds of boxes.
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>>55317082
>Yes, they did. To this day, 100 years later filled to the brim with armless flailing, the Guard remains unbroken.

But the did.

>He's a Terminator, that adds quite a but (unless you're Abaddon).

more TT crap.

>"I believed right up until I met Abaddon and I was rewarded with torture and painful death."

There is but one reward for failure. Nothing personal. Abaddon would kill people he liked like Khayon if they continuously fail him.

>More recent sources retcon past ones and GW > BL.

Except when it comes to expanding the lore and if you want to go that route that Black Legion novel is as recent.

Codxes don'r give you the full picture.

> GW > BL.
Said no official source ever.

>They literally just chimped out and sold themselves to daemons because they were too dumb to realize there's more to managing an empire than hitting shit with swords forever.

No, many of them just joined up at of loyalty to their prijmarchs most of which were abused by the Emperor for no good raisen.

>He's so brotherly! You heard it here first folks. The Emperor going back home is treason but Abaddon slaughtering loyal men for daemonic pacts is a-ok.

For the greater good. The Emperor would be proud of Abaddon.

>Abaddon selected him to off a Primarch.

He selected them to stop the primarch for rising in the first place and their sorcery would have done damage.

And you omitting that the Crimson Corsairs who bent the knee to Abaddon, managed to ambush and capture Girlyman.

>Yes, it was. They were grotesquely outnumbered.

Are you saying that their fear for their purity had no part of it? I thought 100 marines can take PLANETS!
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>>55317052
>I just don't want to have to buy 2 Blue/Brim boxes for every box of horrors I have. That's fucking ridiculous.

This at least you can avoid; with just one box (or even less) just make sure that the Brimstones and Blues are always the first models you remove, so that effectively you only need two of each. So a Pink dies, then allocate the next wound to a Blue, then the Brimstones, then the other Blue, the new Brimstones, and then the next pink. Pretty much play them as ablative wounds.

Still gotta pay the points, but saves you on models and painting.
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>>55317125
>Drach'nyen augments his strength and abilities, so that doesn't constitute proof.

No, it doesn't. He has to call upon Drach'nyen to empower himself. A risky move and fluff doesn't show him doing it. Abaddon mostly swings the sword utilizing its ability to rend reality.

>They obeyed Horus. They're not even pretending to help Abaddon.

They did not. Angron never obeyed Horus and said he does not care for Horus little rebellion. He was there for the Emperor. The twins were against him. Pert outright betrayed. Fulgrim ignored his orders in the siege. IIRC, Lorgar choice in Calth led to the Long War.

>He was shortly to run away from those exact same Cadians

Didn't want to get stranded, and Eldar especially the Ynnari are deadly.

>>"Motherfucker, yes"

And nowhere did I say that Cawl pylons will done in time or work as intended. It's a question of IFs. But you know what isn't a question of IFs? Humanity's downfall at the hand of Chaos. This months WD says so.
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>>55317141
That's not a terrible idea, though kinda asinine at the same time. Is that how it works, though? If a unit of horrors get shot by a bunch of bolters and takes 4 damage, do I get to remove a horror, make 2 blues, remove 2 blues, make 2 brims, and then remove 1 brim since technically all damage is done one at a time, and we're just short cutting? How many points do I set aside for shit like that?
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Mortarion attacking Magnus. Magnus has Weaver of Fates, Morty is using VotLW and Blades power:

>S16 profile: 4.16 wounds + 1.94 mortal wounds
>S8 profile: 3.57 wounds + 5.83 mortal wounds

On the other hand, Magnus attacking Mortarion who got Death Hexed but has Miasma of Pestilence:

>10.75 damage

As for their weapons

>Magnus Smite vs Morty: 2.75 wounds, although CP reroll can heavily skew this
>Phosphex Bombs vs Magnus: 0.78 wounds, although you could use VotLW to wound Magnus on 4s, not that it would do much

Magnus does much more damage to Mortarion than vice versa. Not only that, but as I mentioned above Magnus is both more likely to go first, as well as more likely to get his powers off. Now, Mortarion can do some damage on Overwatch and he does 1 mortal wound on average in each fight phase thanks to his aura. In turn, Magnus has better cripple table - while both lose 1A per level, fact that Mortarion has one less attack makes it more crippling for him.

To conclude, Magnus is superior in pure 1v1.
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>>55317180
The blues/brimstones are added before you remove the pink/blue, and as you allocate wounds as you see fit its totally viable.

How many points is up to, if you max it out its a bit more than double the price of the pinks alone.

Its still a bit clunky; fine on paper but I wouldn't really enjoy playing with or against it on the the tabletop myself. Which is a shame as Tzeentch are my favourite daemons.
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>The Imperium is constantly at war, battling every minute of every day against the alien races that seek to obliterate Humanity. Yet there is one threat above all others that could topple the Imperium of Mankind in a heartbeat. It is the threat of Chaos.

>the Imperium’s downfall is only a matter of time.

Okay everyone. Go home. No need to see anything else.
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>>55316850
The point that Cadians broke.
A single regiment breaking does not equal "all Cadians broke", are you really this dense?
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>>55317187
>Magnus Smite vs Morty: 2.75 wounds, although CP reroll can heavily skew this

4.77, actually. 1 result of 0, 5 results(3-7) of 3.5 and 5 results of 7(8-12) for total of (5*3.5+5*7)/11. I don't know where i got 2.75 from. Although distribution is somewhat skewed towards D6 smite since it's got the middle.
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>>55317199
Then don't imply that all Cadians stood. Only the 8th regiment from what I can tell didn't break and even then barely and that's thanks to Celestine magic faith that once receded for the duration of the pylon activation caused the Cadians to lose their valor .

>Faith – the same faith that had sustained Cadia’s defence in those darkest of hours – began to recede. Valour faded alongside, not just from within the ranks of Creed’s swollen regiment, but also among the Kappic Eagles and the Vostroyans so recently set loose from Trazyn’s prison. As for the Black Legion, they cared not that the better part of their Daemon host was swept away, and the remainder weakened. They saw only the physical proof of their ancient belief – the False Emperor’s light was fading – and took new strength from the sight.
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>>55317187
Thats kind of brutal.
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>>55317212

Probability on 2d6 does not work like that
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>>55317236
and yet they still didn't break. Get fucked.
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>>55317271
Is it 1d6 twice or 2d6?
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>>55317276
>one regiment didn't break.
>ALL CADIANS also didn't break

It does not follow.
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>>55317281
>Smite
>Is it 1d6 twice or 2d6?
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I am going out for lunch, dudes. See you in some other thread.

Remember to praise the Dark Master!
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>>55317292
I wasn't following the chain just responding to the dude because probability is weird with multiple dice
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Fleshmoweeeeerrrrrrrr
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>>55317128
>>55317052
The whole problem with the splitting rule is that they made them part of the same unit as pinkies.

So it's like ok, you can give pinkies a one in three chance to cast smite per turn and blue/brims with a worse version but oh, because they're part of the same unit you can just take one pink and cast smite from him. Guess there's no choice but to blanket nerf the whole squad.
Again, they dont want mixed toughness squads anymore so I guess these tiny daemons have to be thoughness three, can't make them toughness 2/1 like they were before but that means you've got guardsmen with 4++ saves running around .

Split them in to different units, it's the only way to balance them.
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>>55317187
You forgot that Magnus is very likely to deny Mortarion, while Mortarion has a hard time denying Magnus too.
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>>55317271
>55.55 for 3 damage
>41.67 for 7 damage
>2.78 for no damage

>(55.55*3+41.67*7+2.78*0)/100=4.58

Happy?

>>55317313
I've kind of mentioned it here

>as well as more likely to get his powers off

Both can deny three, but Magnus is both more likely to manifest and deny thanks to +2.
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>>55317334
Are you also taking into account that Mortarion can save the mortal wounds on Disgustingly Resilient?
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>want new typhus mini
>know it will be overdesigned garbage
Suffering
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>>55317335
Forgot to do it once i've started focusing on exact damage of Smite

>4.58*2/3=3.05

But again, CP reroll.
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>>55317057
>muh no-mark Night Lords
>implying Night Lords are evenly remotely WAAC compared to the other legions given how useless leadership penalties are 90% pf the time

Raptors aren't even "proper" Night Lords. They're basically mercs who attach themselves to warbands to cause terror and generally dick on people. They're also heavily chaos-tainted in more recent fluff, with the most warp touched eventually turning into full on warp talons.

That said, Night Lords have fucking named daemon princes in the fluff (Krieg Acerbus from Lord of the Night), summon daemons to use as terror troops and have straight up Khorne and Slaanesh worshippers in their AD-B omnibus that everyone raves so much about. Their gimmick is paying lip service to the chaos gods for power without sucking daemon cock like the Word Bearers and their ilk do; Zso Sahaal, the poster boy for god-hating Night Lord fedora tippers, even calls upon the forces of chaos to give himself buffs when he assaults that spire to get back the Corona Nox, much as he hates himself for it.
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>>55317355
We've already seen it, it's covered in that awful "plastic smoke" stuff and he's got this weird pose where he's thrusting his weapon in to the air like he's dancing.
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>>55314029
$330 in australia. I was super keen for this edition too. I thought it was going to be $140, but $330 is insane for a few tokens and cardboard extras.
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>>55317311

Yea, that's what they do in AoS. Like I said before, though. Blue and especially brims were a mistake. Brims would have been cool as a Tzeentchy swarm unit like exploding nurglings or something. Blues could have just been lesser horrors like they are now.

Honestly, the best way to fix blue/brims without making them new squads is to make it so that you HAVE to split into them from pinks. For magic purposes, 2 blues count as 1 pink, and brims can be sacrificed for a bonus of some sort either to their shooting or smite.
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>>55314500
That's because Belakor IS the only one not to serve a single master.
Lorgar serves them all, so does Pert.
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>>55315579
Yes, this is their goal.
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>>55317446
>chaos gods: yea fuck it. Let's make this dude a daemon. What could go wrong?
>Belakor: what up niggas? Fuck your shit
>Gods: yea, let's never do that again
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>>55317467
We don't know the exact details, but this probably summarises what happened.
Not sure about Pert but Lorgar being made the undivided Daemon Primarch makes sense, he literally served them all and was fully intending on daemonhood, he probably earned it.
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New thread to avoid all this Carnac?
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>>55317520

Someone make it Fleshmower edition I'm phoneposting
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>>55317536
>he can't make a thread while mobile
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>>55317550

Oh I can physically do it, but there's a decent chance it'll come out fucked up in some way or other.
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>>55317520
he'll still be there, shitting up thread after thread.

He needs a ban
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>>55314045
Mine have this feel. I don't go for the modern two-color scheme.
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>>55314311
Technically, aren't Rogue Traders civilians?
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>>55316213
>Angron gets bigger the angrier he gets
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>>55317660
Rogue Traders are nobles
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>>55317780
with a mission from the imperium I should add
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>>55317520
>>55317536
>>55317550
>>55317561

DOIN IT
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So do we have a compilation of death guard leaks and points?
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>>55317306
>Rocks
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>>55317829

New thread you pieces of shit

>>55317883
>>55317883
>>55317883
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>>55314037
Nice Blood Angel on the left there.
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>>55314038
Buy model, use him as Putreficus, your OC Daemon Prince. (who uses Mortarion rules)
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>>55314073
>Anyone have recommendations?

Bagpipe blastmaster/doom siren.
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>>55317647
Ooh, that is pretty
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