EDH/Commander General /edhg/

hits: not cats, misses cats except for legendary stoneforge cat

>>55260849
>hating magnet hammer, exponential axes and pumpkin head catman

>>55260703
>Now that we've had a little while with C17, what have been hits and misses for you?

I dunno. In some ways Dragons kinda felt like a pile of dragon cards rather than a coherent dragon deck. It is a precon, after all, but still.

>>55260860
At the same time?

>>55260860

Are you a qt Asian girl?

>>55260957
Define girl

Good win cons for Avacyn boardwipes? Voltron seems like the best bet, but that's boring as shit.

>>55260931
shit should've specified the actual cats and not the equipment.

>>55261001
>Rei with tongue piercing
my sense of immersion broke way before my dick did

>>55260703
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

Thread question:
I've only gotten to look at my cards. Still waiting for people at the office to get their shit together with their EDH decks.
They're all new to the format, and I myself don't have a ton of experience, but you know what they say, gotta pop a few cherries.

>>55260957
I'm asian and like a 5 at best is that good enough

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqalJabqJsA
How would you feel to play against the Chad?

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>>55261055
Now we're talking.

>>55261084
Post eyes or gtfo

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>>55261109

Half my normal group is Chads, it's actually pretty nice. I go to the gym now, and have sex sometimes.

>>55261146
>Half my normal group is Chads
>have sex sometimes.
I wonder if those two facts are closely related or merely coincidental.

>>55261109
he seems pretty chill tho.

>>55261146
With the Chads, or...?

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>>55260898
There are ways out of it.

What's ya'll's favorite new card from C17?

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>>55261294
Some that can't even be countered.

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>>55261190

No I wish though, one of them is so cute it hurts

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Why aren't you running this card, anon?

>>55261109
>>55261146
>tfw no qt muscle bf to play EDH with

>>55261352
I run it and Panflutes, so he gets to slither away twice per creature

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>>55261352
Why would I be?

>>55261295
The exponential axe, it's a pretty cute thing.

>>55261401
It's Puresteel Paladin's crack

>>55261386
Panflute?

>>55261433
Panharmonicon, and it was a joke. He gets two triggers, but one fizzles.

>>55261401
>buy catdeck
>get no axe tokens

>>55261447
Oh, oops. I run that too, so every time he comes home he brings 8 life in my Trostani deck. Sometimes Rhox Faithmender makes it 16. Pretty cool.

>>55261430
Shit gets stupid fast with puresteel and Sigarda's Blessing or the magnet hammer out if you've got anyone with double strike.

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>>55261463
>don't buy cat deck
>just buy axes

>>55261463
This was talked about a few threads ago, it sucks, but because the axes are Semi-Perfect Cell Copies, a token of one would just be an extra card which disappears when bounced.

Thanks Wizards

>>55261464
Post your trostani deck please.

Last EDH deck I made was Trostani, since I never played GW before in EDH.

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>>55261515
Slightly outdated, I took out Rancor, Angelic Destiny, Lure, and a land for Sunbond, Panharmonicon, Aetherflux Reservoir, and Rhox Faithmender.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-09-17-wurms/

>>55261474
You end up with 16 axes the second combat if the doublestriker lives somehow, if the thing lives another turn you end with 64, point is the axe doesn't need much to go full retard if you let it.

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>>55261146
>use to be at the game shop
>everyone 800 pounds don't shower
>i'm just a stupid kid so nowhere else to go
>think to my self fuck this
>finish highschool
>get job
>save up and buy a car
>start college
>met 3 guys that play comander before class
>no longer have to pay to play
>they are normal guys who work out and have lives
>meet girls
>be social
>no longer want to die

feels good man

>>55261515
Not him, but Trostani is fucking amazing with miscellaneous big tokens like from Phyrexian Processor, or X/X Slime Tokens. I managed a 45/45 phyrexian processor with anointed procession and parallell lives out, gaining 180 life then populating to gain another 180.
Then an opponent won with an infinite mana exsanguinate

>>55261626
Yeah, I've managed to get quite some crazy hp with Trostani, once I made 30,000 Serra Avatars and Rhox Faithmenders

>>55260931
>magnet hammer
What?

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>>55261662

>>55261662
Hammer of Nazan

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Lads, I'm pimping out my meren deck but I want a reliable wincon that isn't mike and trike. Any suggestions?

>>55261704
Jarad + Lord of Extinction

>>55261736
Oh shit nice
seems sweet

>>55261109
Got a chad in my campus playgroup who literally goes by Chad. Has like 6 scary decks. Great guy.

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>Ask my GF if she wants to buy a c17 cat deck to play some 1v1 games against my c17 vampires - she is okay with that
>Tell my friend about this - he now wants to buy one too
>My gf talks with her ex-gf - suddenly we have a 4th player
>Now we are not only four mtg newbies playing the EDH but we also set up the very first EDH group in my area
That escalated quickly. They all were playing only very casual mtg until now - I was the only one taking part in prereleases etc so now I'm some kind of leader. My GF was actually spending some money on cards because we are playing pauper for fun but the other two never bought anything more than an intro pack and card sleeves. Hell, they didn't even buy the precons yet (just ordered them) but they are already trying to find a way to upgrade their decks. I'm really surprised but feels good

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throwing vehicles probably isn't very good is it?

>>55261858
they didn't even receive the precons yet*

>>55261859
Sounds fun, though.

>>55261858
Good work, you picked the best precon of the set. Get ready to beat up your friend, your gf, and her ex and turn them all against you.

>>55261325
Most of my playgroups are fat weirdos but there are a couple of Qt boys. I wouldn't call them Chad's by any means, but they're handsome nerds.

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>>55261920
I heard that cats are the best and dragons are also neat but they need a mana-base fix. I picked vamps because I like the BW life-play style desu

So rules question:

I cast dualcaster mage and target rite of replication. I make a token of dualcaster mage with Inalla's eminence trigger. That token gains haste. I then copy the hasted token with the copied rite of replication.

Do my Inalla token copies have haste?

>>55261660
30000? Even with Primal, Doubling, Parallell, and Anointed, that's like 2200ish tokens. Was it some infinite fuckery you just terminated at 30k, or was it specifically around that?

>>55261988
No, the copies doesn't copy the haste

>>55261964
The Cats precon is very good 1v1, but can't do as well in multiplayer. Conversely, Dragons can do well in multiplayer if it being multiplayer makes it so the game is slow enough for them to set up. Vampires do very well in both. Wizards has a lot of problems finding a wincon.

Altogether, Vampires are best positioned.

>>55261988
No nigga, shit only copies the vanilla card.

>>55261545
Well, I sure wasn't expecting wurm tribal.

I got a friend who always talks about making a wurm tribal deck, and has the cards ready, he's just waiting for a legendary wurm to have as his commander.

>>55261996
It was specifically around 30k, using Rhys the Redeemed with Thousand-Year Elixir and Illusionist's Bracers for 4 more activations, also casting a Sundering Growth on my Precursor Golem tokens

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>>55261988
Because the token gains haste as a separate part of the ability, it doesn't become part of its copiable values. Compare Dack's Duplicate, which is worded in such a way that something copying it would also gain Haste and Dethrone.

>>55261988
Inalla can't copy the rite if replication tokens (because it has to be a non token wizard) so you'll only be able to give haste to the 1 that was created by inalla from the original cast of dualcaster. If you have a spell that gives your creatures haste until end of turn that would be a good winning combo though, just constantly copy rite if replication for infinite tokens with haste. I like it.

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>>55262044
>>55261545
My Trostani deck is more traditional, but I did decide on a unique twist to it. The deck focuses on making token copies of non-token creatures, using cards like Mimic Vat and Seance to get the ball rolling.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/trostani-and-her-clone-legion/

Pic related is my super secret tech card. I was really on the fence when adding it to my deck, but it quickly results in my opponents not being able to play creatures anymore to avoid me copying them, and when a player only has one or two really good creatures in play, it goes completely crazy. Also good with politics (Let me copy your Acidic Slime and I'll kill X)

>>55262088
I'm thinking maybe Anger if you can get it in your graveyard and have a mountain out.

>>55261684
>>55261688
Oh I thought Magnet Hammer was the name of a card that I missed

I kind of want to build up one of the Cats but I can't decide which. Mirri looks fun for fucking with people, but Nazahn does too

>>55262013
>>55262042
Thank you for the clarification.

>Iconic Masters offers players a tour through some of the most powerful cards in over 20 years of Magic history. Featuring new artwork on many cards, the set brings an array of massive Angels, Sphinxes, Demons, Dragons, and Hydras alongside some of our favorite and most memorable spells.
>Hydras

Wurms are officially dead.

>>55262272
"Masters" sets are officially dead, a set about iconic cards and they decide on unplayable jank tribes.

>>55261988
it dosent matter cause now you have infinite dual caster mages and you win

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I make new rat

>>55262333
Unless someone boardwipes before your next turn. I don't know your meta but in mine everyone seems to have at least 45 boardwipes in their deck. It's unusual for anyone to get more than a handful of creatures into the field before someone boardwipes.

After I saw Kess, Dissident Mage, I knew I had to make my first duel commander deck.

Now, I know almost nothing about duel commander, so I basically just threw every single low cost value card I could find in my collection into a pile and called it a day.

Currently said pile is around 130 cards (Already removed over 100 cards), and I need help removing more, or any suggestions for cards I may have missed that I should be running.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kess-duel-commander-1/

Edgar is amazing. My only issue is deciding which vampires to cut for things like removal, boardwipes, draw, or reanimation.

>>55262272
>Angels
>we'll never get a reprint of Radiant, Archangel because hurr durr reserved list

>>55262294
>unplayable jank tribes.
All those tribes are extremely playable in EDH which, if you noticed, is what this general thread is for.

>>55262720
Ah yes, I'm really looking forward to opening iconic $0.25 rare sphinxes and hydra's in my $10.00 MSRP boosters so I can put them in my EDH decks!

>>55261859

This whole thing with vehicles is you get a lower cmc in return for meeting the crew condition

>>55261109
My playgroup in college was myself and 4 other guys in fraternities. Was pretty fucking great, I got to be nerdy with cool people and go to parties.

>>55260987
Worldforger
aetherflux
walkers+jokalhaups
catman+wheel
bloodmoon
sunforger storm loop
orims chant+ isochron+ paradox engine
getting good

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>>55262793
>Ah yes, I'm really looking forward to opening iconic $0.25 rare sphinxes and hydra's in my $10.00 MSRP boosters so I can put them in my EDH decks!
>buying and opening boosters

>>55263053
Talk about missing the point.

The reason these master sets are even remotely interesting is to reprint expensive eternal staples to reduce their price.

If the rare slots are filled with "iconic" jank cards like Shivan Dragon and Akroma, that's not going to happen.

>>55261859
Consulate Dreadnought makes a fun toss and Bosh can crew it himself - so then swing and you'll never miss one way or another.

>>55260703
Is Magmasaur/Fungusaur good enough for a Gisath deck?

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So what's the best way to run Gishath? Go Tall then go wide?
Or just go full flavortown stuff like triassic egg and fosil find?

>>55263165
Enrage enabler and Enrage creature seems okayish.
It's cool when dropped with Gishath.

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How do I make this perfect?

>i already have but I want to see ideas

>>55263083

>WOTC cares about selling you jank for $10.00 a pack

holy shit get a clue

>>55263184
Multiple combat steps and mass haste.

Attack repeatedly and grow your charging dino army

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>>55263238
why not put it on scepter?

>>55263240
If they actually want to sell any packs, adding good cards might be an idea.

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>>55263268
Your right.
>been dealing with more artifact removal then creature hate in playgroup
Thanks

>>55263325
I mean, probably should be packin' em both.

>>55263317
They will, of course, but just few enough to where people will stop chasing in a month or two

is there an enchantment that lets my creatures fight my opponents' creatures? i'm building dino tribal, so any other tech is welcome

>>55263417
Frontier siege does but only for creatures with flying
Warstorm surge makes them deal damage = power to another creature or player
Cartouche of strength does it but only once when you cast it, unless you can return it to your hand reliably

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>>55263268
>>55263406
Here's the updated combo.
>play it in straight dimir or go higher color wheel?

>>55263417

Cartouche of Strength
Contested Cliffs is a land , and a couple dinos are also beasts
Dmri Rade's minus

Frontier Seige is closet to what you want, but it only does flyers

Gruul Ragebeast as an off tribe splash (and may work with the beast subtheme)

Guild Feud is actually pretty good for the deck

Setessan tactis is great for dino board clear

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someone help me out here.

what's the purpose of the counter? as far as i can tell it does actually nothing whatsoever, so why is it even in the card's text? it doesn't even add to the card's flavor or anything like that. why???

>>55263517
>labman tasigur

>>55263787
Defenders cant attack and artifact provides another type that removal can stick to.

>>55260941
That's pretty much what a Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck is though. So it makes sense that big daddy dragon would be the same.

What else would you look for in a dragon deck like that?

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>>55263787
I understand what you mean, it doesn't have any intervening clause or something of that sort. Arguably, the counter is just for lore purposes, but it also signifies that once you've been petrified, you ain't comin' back.

>>55263787
There is no purpose to the counter.
Other than perhaps to feed Thief of Blood when she comes out.

Can someone link me to a good Vorel EDH deck? I'm trying to build one but I'm extremely noob so I don't know how to tell what's viable and what's just someone messing around.

Don't want or need it to be competitive, just for fun for now

>>55263909
Secret tech

>>55262272
>iconic
>new art
This is idiotic as fuck. Iconic masters should have been a reverse Modern Masters where the reprinted a bunch of newer cards in the old-border.

>>55263958
a vorel deck would definitely have experiment kraj on the list, and kraj actually ends up being a better commander for the deck.

i recommend looking at kraj lists or other decks that use vorel as a card rather than commander.

if you're intent on using vorel, just throw in good simic +1/+1 counter tribal stuff. it should be passable.

>>55263920
>>55263877
>>55263909
It's a marker.

THey dont put permanent change on cards without something to track it with.
With aura or equipment you have the card itself, in this case, the counter marks the creature turned to stone

>>55263961
Son, I just wanna see more cards in Time Shifted/Planar Chaos frames

Honestly, anything out of the norm or "we're so cool look at the character in the art kind of peek over the boxes"

>>55263987
I think I've already got a good list of the more expensive/important cards (although I can't afford doubling season at the moment unfortunately).

The problem is I've never built a commander deck before and I'm very unsure of what to do with the rest of the deck that's not high-mana cost cards. In my casual deck I built around Vorel I just have a bunch of copies of the same low-cost creatures to get a ton of Evolve stacks off, but obviously I can't do that in EDH. What should I be looking to replace that strategy with?

>>55263961
The old border is never coming back.

It causes insane amount of printer failure because it cant be machine red.

Also it had legibility issues

>>55263997
then why not make the creature go back to its original state if the counter gets removed? seems like an odd choice.

>>55263997
Right, and that's good, that kind of identification is important for board and paper games; the point anon was making is just that the counter itself does nothing but signify initial petrification.
Losing the counter or having it moved to another creature does nothing to the now stoned creature

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Journeyer's Kite is my pet card and wizards is tearing my heart to shreds.

>>55264007
The Planar chaos frames should have been the modern frame.

Everyone knows it, but tis too late to go back,

They use them for dfc

>>55264027

but anon you can now play with two very similar bad cards

>>55264024
Oh yeah it has no marker ability.

>>55264027
Aetheric asimuth funny enough make sense.

Even though that compass looks like an astrolabe

>>55264032
>The Planar chaos frames should have been the modern frame.
>Everyone knows it, but tis too late to go back,

My man.

I'm also waiting for these niggas to print shit like Narco-moe-ba
They even made a joke or two about Amonkhet technically being Aven Mindcensor's "original print" because it was a shifted card.

When's Bridge from Below Wizards, HELLO?

>>55264064
Does bridge from below and Kalitas work as I think it does?

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i just picked up a sweet foil of neheb in a trade and i've got a lot of the really strong pieces for the deck, but i can see it running out of steam really fast.

what's some good, consistent draw for neheb?

>>55264088
Hell yeah it does, bitch

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>>55264099
[Zombies intensifies]

>>55264097
You'll have to define "consistent red draw."

I like Browbeat with Neheb because it's either three cards for five red.

>>55264132
or five red mana*

>>55261684
>friend runs nazan
>always have a counter spell just to stop him summoning it
>gets frustrated and plays a different deck
gottem

>>55264166
Soon enough he will see that the problem is not his decks, but the friend he is playing with.

How the fuck did none of you shits suggest this in Mairsil? I just thought of it because I happened to have one in my binder, but this seems insane.

Does anyone have the "what format should I play" comic? I need it for a friend.

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>>55264224
Well, fuck.

>>55264097
Wheel effects are your friend. Wheel of Fortune and Reforge the Soul are great when you have no cards in hand.

Commune with Lava is spicy tech as you don't mind people seeing your plays for the next turn.

>>55264232
because your opponents will just kill mairsil with that effect

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>>55263920

>>55264244
* as long as

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>Dude selling a bunch of Onslaught cards about 30 minutes away on CL
>Sorry Im not listing them, thats too much work

>>55264232
>tap, sacrifice mairsil: Destroy target creature
Not the best option out there.

>>55264097
Loreseeker's Stone, Tower of Fortunes, (Mind Stone/Hedron Archive/Dreamstone Hedron) + Goblin Welder + (Ichor Wellspring/Solemn Simulacrum)

>>55264215
all it takes is one turn 1 ancestral visions and suddenly i'm on everyone's shitlist.
the entire fucking store just hates the color blue so my grixis and esper decks get focused turn 1.
I have to play mardu to have any fun

>>55264022
There aren't many cards that generically removes counters, so it shouldn't matter 99% of the time. Especially when Xathrid Gorgon isn't even a strong card or anything.

>>55264292
that's when you know they are shit

>>55264257
Hexproof, mothafucka!

>>55264339
i mean i get that, but if the counter was for clarity, why make the card in a way that makes you able to have a petrified creature with no petrification counter or a card with a petrification counter that isn't petrified?

>>55264343

Probably going to ask the dude to take a picture of it all. 50 bucks for it all it sort of depends how many cards it is.

Its worth a text imo considering how many rares in that set have shot up.

>>55264352
just exile avatar of woe or royal assassin or something.

just because you can make it work doesn't mean it's actually good.

>>55264018
someone pls help a noob out

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who's your favorite spellslinger commander

thinking about building pic related

>>55264352
>>55264369
>>55264302
>>55264257
Why would they kill him if he won't be there by the time the ability resolves? It isn't like you aren't running flicker, self-bounce or regen. Or shroud.

>>55264369
Diaochan has more political potential build into her

>>55264375
EDH is a format where you want to be doing the biggest thing the fastest. you're probably not ever going to win through straight knife fight beats. ramp hard, go big, and aim to deal 100+ damage in a single turn.

https://edhrec.com/commanders/vorel-of-the-hull-clade

use this site, it's pretty handy.

>>55264327
Turn 1 ancestral vision is a pretty strong move, in a multiplayer game, you have to make sure that the other players doesn't think that you are a threat.

If you show that you can counter them, they will try to take you off the game before combo-ing, since they know the chances of going off with you on the game are low.

Sometimes I hold back with a strong hand, because I know that if I get an explosive start(and no one else does), the game will become archenemy until I am either dead, or too crippled to continue.

>>55264409
>100+ damage in a single turn

h o w

Thank you for the link though, will look at

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>Finally get a Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet after a while for my Mazirek, for lifegain and token fodder
>4 months later get Vampyric Bloodlust precon for my first tribal funtime
>Kalitas is a Vampire too, should get him for the deck
>Should probably get him for Scarab god too
>And when I build Villanous Wealth+Eldrazi deck too
Help

>>55264398
the classic "i always have the perfect answer to everything in hand" argument

>>55264398
>It isn't like you aren't running flicker, self-bounce or regen. Or shroud.
This is the case of "there are much better abilities that mairsil could be using".

>>55264434
But you legit have to entomb or get an effect that makes Mairsil unremovable in order for him to be worth casting.

He costs too much mana if the first thing you exile with him ISN'T something that stops him from just getting removed.

>>55264437
Maybe I'm retarded, but I genuinely don't see how removing two creatures a turn would be bad compared to other options.

>>55264426
look for BIG things. stuff that scales well with long games and lots of mana. stuff like craterhoof behemoth.

you gotta be doing a lot of damage, because if you kill one person, the other two are going to see you as a threat and gang up on you. you gotta either be a hardcore survivalist or be explosive enough to take everyone out in one go.

>>55261146
>be at lgs with two friends playing edh
>one on Mizzix one on rune I'm playing slightly buffed shitty Jeleva precon
>finish game and this guy who is more ripped than anyone I could ever imagine asks to play with us
>surewhynot.png
>"are you all playing competitive or casual?"
>"casual, we're just hangin out"
>"alright. I won't play tazri."
>awkward silence.
>we shuffle up and roll, im on the play followed by new guy who is playing Kozilek the great D
>"my turn 1 sucks." He says in earnest
>"don't worry mines not great either." I force a chuckle and play an Akoum Refuge.
>he smiles
>"well it's a little better than that."
>Ancient Tomb Mana Vault Grim Monolith Gilded Lotus Winter Orb
>o-ok
>spend next several turns getting anally brutalized until we all decide to scoop.

>>55264442
the simple fact of the matter is that there are just better things to be exiling with him and daochan doesn't make the cut, stop trying to make it good. it's literally always worse than avatar of woe.

>>55264472
You were visited by Chadzilek, bro, consider it an honor

>>55264463
I am excited but afraid

I've only gotten to play a couple commander games so far (using borrowed decks), and in one of them my friend won in like 6 turns using some cheesy infinite combo

I'm not interested in doing that

>>55261109

But Cassius was cool as fuck

>>55264497
yeah, infinite combos are all over the place. you're in blue, so you should pack a few counterspells here and there to stop them from going off. despite being a worse mana drain, plasm capture is pretty cool and also not $130

>>55264481
>it's literally always worse than avatar of woe
wrong

>>55264532
this isn't a debate. i'm not gonna stop you from making your shitty deck.

>>55264454
First of all, what you want to be removed needs to be vulnerable to "destroy" effects.
Secondly, you need something else that shields your Mairsil, or he is just going to die.
Third, you also need to make sure that your opponent is not going to target another of your creatures.
And lastly, you need a reason to run it over stuff that would combo and win the game for you.

There are so many hoops for it to work, that it isn't worth it. Diaochan is a bad card, putting it in Mairsil isn't going to do much better.

>>55264527
I have counterspells, I just don't have the experience to recognize the specific cards I need to be countering to stop that shit yet. Just gotta play more, I suppose

>>55264544
>this isn't a debate
That's good b/c you would lose.

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Anyone ever found a good use for [pic related]?

It's one of the first cards I ever got, so I have a stupid attachment to it.

I wanna say attaching it to a creature that causes the spells to ripple to all other creatures is its ideal use?

>>55264584
you'll figure it out. what kind of decks did you play against when you did play?

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>>55264593
k

>>55264596
Ink-Treader Nephilim for maximum shenanigans.

>>55264584
It would be pretty hard to know all the infinite/lethal combos, especially since there are multiple ways to start the same combo. It would be way easier if you knew what your playgroup uses and focus on that.

>>55264302
There's no sacrifice effect, and your opponent could choose another opponents creature, especially in commander.

>>55264678
Why are you trying to argue in favor of a bad card? Why not just play the good cards instead?

>>55264561
Okay. Fine. Let me know what you are caging instead. Because that seems to be true for every single instance of Mairsil. Especially since your opponents won't target your dudes because Mairsil decks basically don't have dudes in play. And none of his combos win you the game.

I get that Diaochan is a bad card, but I think you're letting her performance by herself not see the bigger picture.

>>55264703
https://edhrec.com/commanders/mairsil-the-pretender

>>55264599
my roommates have a small collection of EDH decks, so I got to play against a bunch of different stuff. One of them has this insane locust god deck that she demolishes everyone with every time; there's also some 5-color dragon nonsense, a red goblin-y deck, and one really cool blue/white deck based off of making copies of everything.

When I played I used a dromoka deck that also just put a shitton of counters on everything. I had a ton of fun with it so that's kinda what I'm trying to accomplish with vorel.

>>55264472
>"casual, we're just hangin out"
>Plays a deck with Mana Vault and Gilded Lotus

Some people have some really interesting views on what is casual.

>>55264723
nice. vorel can be pretty fun. definitely look for ways to repeatedly untap him, things like pemmin's aura. if you're doubling the counters on, say, triskelion 2-3 times per turn, that exponential growth is eventually gonna get to the point where you can easily one-shot the table.

>>55264697
why are you so triggered that the social aspect of this format makes cards you don't like better?

>>55264697
I'm not the person you've been replying to, but I could see it having value in the right deck. It's not optimal perhaps but it's an interesting way of removing threats and convincing players to target someone elses creatures instead of yours. You could also just give Mairsil shroud/bounce him etc. Which should be relatively easy in any deck running blue anyway. I personally only keep Mairsil to use nevs Disk over and over whenever people have a threatening board state desu

>>55264759
"politics"
aka
"let's all work together to make sure that one player doesn't get to play magic today"

>>55264722
I love how we're pretending that Jodah's Avenger and Shifty Doppelganger are better than Diaochan. I get arguing that Diaochan is not worth caging if the other cage options given were actually comparable.

Clearly, you've accepted that bad cards are viable in Mairsil given the cards on EDHREC like Minion of Leshrac. But this is too far, after all, they'll kill Mairsil with it (even though as per EDHREC, 11 ways of stopping that and 5 ways of tutoring that completely void out that drawback).

>>55264827
nice strawman mate

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>you and a friend from your playgroup both start building decks
>neither of you know what the other is building
>you both end up building the same deck
>both decklists are very similar
What to do?

>>55264827
Minion of Leshrac is a bad card because it has a big drawback and is 7 mana, which Mairsil circumvents. Diaochan is bad because her ability is bad, which Mairsil inherits.

How are you not getting this?

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>>55264821

>>55264900
you're right, my autism makes me incapable of enjoying losing on turn 6 because i'm playing blind seer jank and someone said "kill the blue player, he might have counterspells!"

spice for zedruu?

>>55264932
what kind of zedruu are we talking here?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-09-17-IDQ-kess-storm/
As someone who exclusively plays creature based decks, I have no idea how to play storm. Gib advice please

>>55264426

Cast nimbus swimmer for 12, vorel for two and you now have a 20/20 flyer. If he survives till your following extra turn, you got a 40/40 flyer and everyone shitting themselves.

>>55264951
yeah, that's the kinda shit I love and want to do.

My issue right now is getting to the point where I even have 14 mana to spend in a single turn. What should I be putting in this deck for the early game?

I'm a little discouraged after putting some money into a b/w lifegain/drain deck(Karlov), my first real deck. It was only against 2 other opponents but I couldn't do shit to their 8/8+ trample creatures out by turn 6. Over 8 rounds I got 3rd in all of them.

Should I wait to play against a group with more people in it or should I expect to always lose against green?

>>55265002
ramp and draw your way through the early game.

>>55265003
how was karlov not also an 8/8? he's usually the biggest dude on the board, when i played the deck he was pushing 20/20 by turn 5 most of the time

>>55265026
they killed him the moment he came out. one guy only had big dragons and the other had big boys with trample. Biggest i got him was 14/14 but it didnt matter when he combo'd off and killed me with an 80/80 creature w/ trample.

>>55265002

>Draw/ramp engine
>Cast fatties, gib flying/infect/unblockable/horsemanship
>try to get in extra turns to make up for lack of haste

I use edric and try to play slow so I can explode from left field.

>>55265003
Post your decklist. If you can't do anything about that then something's gone wrong.

>>55265057
if they can kill your creatures you can kill theirs. try to shift the focus of the deck from gaining life to making karlov as big as possible. cards that have a lot of little lifegain triggers like soul warden/soul's attendant are outstanding in karlov. you should also look into getting yourself lightning greaves, swiftfoot boots, and whispersilk cloak.

you're in black and white, so you've got some of the best removal in the entire game available to you, as well as most wrath effects to use as panic buttons if you fall behind on the board.

>>55264899
Diaochan's drawback is being a 4 mana 1/1 with no protection. If she has shroud or regen, her drawback is null and she would be an amazing card. Much like how Minion wouldn't be trash if it weren't for literally everything but his activated ability.

Anyway, I'm not changing any hearts today. You were more evenhanded than the other guy, so I respect you and why you consider her to be a poor cage target.

>>55264946
a very cheap one

What're your feelings on "at the beginning of your upkeep, you win" cards?

Similarly, what about "target opponent loses" stuff?

>>55265109
>illusions of grandeur
>copy enchantment
>donate both to the same player

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What are some good improvements for edgar markov?

I've got a strat I'm gonna try where I run this bad boy and try to use new blood on him. But I want something that isn't a super jank combo

>>55265003
Early game Karlov should be building up taxes for your opponents (Blind Obedience, Authority of the Consuls, Ghostly Prison, etc) while you build up your board and start getting your lifegain triggers out. Despite being only WB you probably shouldn't cast Karlov turn 2, wait until you have at least two ways of getting life regularly on the field.

Also like >>55265084 said you're in the colors for cards like Merciless Eviction/Wrath of God/Anguished Unmaking. You should be packing a bunch of removal.

>>55265136
the secret to a good edgar deck is to stop pretending that aggro is a thing in EDH and embrace the aristocrats

>>55265141
>>55265084
>>55265060
i have the cardfs you guys are listing, rip.

what else can i add/remove?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-09-17-karl/

>>55265003
Deathgrip and eastern paladin, there is always someone playing green

>>55265123
Not a fan, but it is pretty popular and even the casuals don't seem to mind for the stuff that actually takes some effort (ie. more mortal combat, less felidar sovereign).

>>55264740
what is wrong with gilded lotus? it's casual af

fuck all the other cards mentioned

>>55265123
Endrek sahr + assault suit, everyone loses

>>55265123
Maybe I have autism but I hate cards like that because by referencing "winning" or "losing" they draw attention to the fact that you're playing a game and I don't want my fantasy immersion ruined, dang it

>>55265161
some cards you can cut for removal right off the bat:
>ajani's pridemate
>cliffhaven vampire
>defiant bloodlord
>obzedat, ghost council
>rhox faithmender
>serra avatar
>souls of the faultless
>teysa, envoy of ghosts
>crypt incursion
>grotesque mutation
>alhammaret's archive
>chalice of life
>skullclamp
>sun droplet
>sunlance

some cards to add:
>suture priest
>soul's attendant
>pristine talisman
>sunscorch regent
>phyrexian arena
>auriok champion
>ayli, eternal pilgrim
>deathgreeter
>bastion protector
>true conviction
>swords to plowshares
>path to exile

>>55265228
>alhammaret's archive
This isn't the first time I've seen people shittin' on the archives.
I feel like it's extremely strong, but is it too much of a target, or is it also because of the draw backs of your opponents knowing you're gonna draw extra?

>>55265261
there's not a whole lot of draw in the deck and it doesn't double your first draw in your draw step, so it doesn't do much in this deck.

doubling your lifegain is essentially worthless as lifegain in and of itself is not a win condition and doubling the amount doesn't make karlov get any bigger.

>>55264426
>>55265002
Earlier today I played against a Vorel who suddenly got +300 mana out of a Pentad Prism because of a Thousand-Year Elixir.

He used it to play a 200/200 Primordial Hydra which I gracefully traded for a Gilded Drake.

>>55265261
>>55265280
i just double checked, literally the only card in the entire deck that the draw half of the archive affects is solemn simulacrum when it dies.

>>55265280
Gotcha. I didn't look at the list in question, so by the sound of it, that makes perfect sense.

Just wondering if anybody knows why it's floating around in a few previous threads to ditch the archive. Maybe it was for the same reason of people not utilizing it with enough draw?

>>55265307
i dunno, i wasn't around for those discussions. it's pretty sweet in like a zedruu deck or something like that that's consistently drawing extra cards.

>>55265291
Shit like >100 power creatures is why I run Grisly Spectacle

>>55265261
>>55265280
Alhamarrett's Archive is the control decks Doubling Season, doesn't fit in all decks but holy shit is it good in a deck with a lot of draw.

But yes, 5 mana is a lot, I usually only get it out with Whir of Invention or Transmute Artifact.

Ran newzuri tonight at EDH. Basically stock, swapped out some BS artifact for Sage of Hours, threw in a Misty and a Breeding Pool, and that's it. Shits dope. I ended up getting nuked from orbit both games because I ended up dropping Chameleon Colossus and making it fucking massive. Love this deck. Definitely gonna keep working on it over the next couple weeks

Also ordered the pieces to a super budget GW tokens Chorus deck that I was missing to finish it off. Gonna be a hoot next week

>>55265329
yeah that's pretty much accurate. i wasn't hating on the card, it's just not good on that karlov list.

>>55265334
a friend of mine built newzuri and he's just been having the worst time with it. the main problem of the deck is that if you're playing enough synergistic cards to keep getting experience counters you won't consistently have protection for ezuri once he's in play and vice versa.

either you cast ezuri and he dies before he does anything or you counter the kill spell headed his way but don't get any experience counters because you don't have enough cards in your hand.

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>>55265161
As someone who started out in EDH with the Blaxos deck and started building it as Karlov, have some pointers

OUT:
>Archangel of Thune (You're very rarely going wide in Karlov)
>Ajani's Mantra
>Aura of Silence
>Crypt Incursion
>Grotesque Mutation
>Day of Judgement (You don't need both this and Wrath)
>Skullclamp (You've got like two creatures that would die from this in there)
>Sunlance
>Sun Droplet
>Souls of the Faultless
>Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
>Obzedat, Ghost Council

IN:

>Soul's Attendant (Complete the soul sisters)
>Sunbond
>Blood Baron of Vizkopa
>True Conviction
>Phyrexian Arena
>Exsanguinate
>Disciple of Bolas
>Merciless Eviction
>Loxodon Warhammer
>Ring of Xathrid/Thune
>Consuming Vapors
>Well of Lost Dreams
>Underworld Coinsmith
>Batwing Brume (Super secret tech)
>Retreat to Hagra (This shit is stupid if you drop it turn 3 and you've got a pretty solid land draw going)
>Westvale Abbey

Ignore shit like Ajani's Mantra where the only thing they do is gain you life. Cards like Sunlance/Doomblade/Lightning Bolt are babyshit in EDH, it's either destroy/exile effects or nothing.

Alhammaret's Archive is only really good if you've got a bunch of card draw lying around. Shit like Disciple of Bolas is great for this, and Phyrexian Arena is pretty much an auto-include in almost any black deck for me.

Exsanguinate is a great finisher, especially if you've got Sanguine Blood out.

>>55265329
>>55265344
Understood. Calling it control's Doubling Season actually totally cleared it up. Makes a lot of sense.

>>55261055
Sauce?

>>55265389
At this point you're probably expecting it, but it has a penis.

>>55265400
>isobel
>penis

>>55265318
well, he died to his own hydra, which was nice.

Gilded Drake is one of my favorite creatures. Later someone tried to play another huge threat and I just used a Phyrexian Metamorph to copy the Gilded Drake and grab it.

>>55263787
Its there as a reminder that it has been petrified, most counters that do nothing are just reminders

>>55265400
You act like the dick is a turn off anon. Are you okay?

>>55265462
but other, similar cards would have the creature become un-petrified if the counter is removed. why is this one different?

>>55265228
>>55265379

ty anons

>Westvale Abbey

jesus christ lmao

>>55265467
Probably not enough room in the text box.

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>>55260703
Any Newzuri players here? I'm looking to build him. What are your ratios of creatures/spells/artifacts/enchantments/lands and what do your manabases look like?

>>55264258
Yeah Anon, but the counter isn't the thing that makes it a defender.

>>55264472
Nice copypasta

>>55265415
Link me man I'm dying here.

>>55265585
I'll send you my list of needed bulk rares
it's not hard to look up some very blatant terms to find her blog

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>want to start an animar deck
>the card itself is like 35 bucks

oh.

>finally finished that Kira, Great Glass Spinner deck I've been working on
>swing by the flgs, run into some people I know and we play a few games
>the deck is literally counterspells, fatties, ramp and clone effects
>my board is always a terrifying amalgamation of everyone best cards and eldrazi titans
>that amazing feel countering things with Guile and Kira out by force-targeting spellskite
This has to be one of the most fun decks I've ever built.

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>so many commanders I want to try and build
>don't play enough EDH to justify more than one
>the one deck is barely justifiable

>>55265752
Wow. That sounds like complete assholery.

Proud'a you, anon

>>55265788
There's something oddly satisfying about swinging with 6 blightsteels, or busting out Desertion in response to someone's Sheroldred.

>>55265161
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-09-17-karl/

what I see is that you dont have enough card draw and ramp, and too many cards that give you one instance of life gain instead of repeatable triggers.

imo definitely take out:

>serra avatar
just a big creature with no other effects. those are not good in edh

>souls of the faultless
just a one time chump blocker and a lifegain activation. not worth it for three mana imo

>teysa, envoy of ghosts
too expensive for what it does

>death grasp
the life gain doesn't compensate how inefficient this removal is

>sun droplet
seems very conditional

>obzedat
too slow

>ajani's pridemate
again, big creatures without any other effects dont do much in edh

>sunlance
very bad removal

>revoke existence
bad removal

>grotesque mutation
not worth it for a one time lifegain activation

>debt to the deathless
too expensive, exanguinate would be better

>alhammerret's archive
you barely have any card draw and the additional life gain isnt worht it imo, better change it

>skullclamp
you dont have token generation

>elixir of immortality
just one instance of lifegain isnt good and the other effect is irrelevant in your deck

add:
>phyrexian arena
>necropotence
>well of lost dreams
>mind's eye
>mentor of the meek
>suture priest
>souls attendant
>exsanguinate
>swords to plowshares
>anguished unmaking
>burnished hart
>any of the mana rocks until you have about 10: thran dynamo/gilded lotus/orzhov signet/orzhov keyrune/hedron archive/etc

also, look for equipment that gives karlov lifelink and evasion, like loxodon warhammer and others that give him protection like lightning greaves and whispersilk cloak

>>55262036
>Wizards has a lot of problems finding a wincon.
I can speak to this. Three friends and I have been playing using unaltered precons recently and I got Wizards because the game store was out of Dragons.
Some ways into a game, the Niv Mizzet I'd cheated out got exiled. A couple turns later, I was searching my deck for something and used the opportunity to try and find what I needed to win the game.
The only other thing is the big guy that bounces nonlands. Him and Niv, that's all you get outside of trying to organize some kind of beatdown or hoping someone's graveyard sticks around long enough to revive their things with Havengul Lich.

>>55265653
it's boring, don't

>>55265884
Most of what you said is on point, but
>too expensive, exanguinate would be better
Nigga, really?
Exsanguinate wins up to CMC5. They tie at CMC6, then Debt to the Deathless is always the better choice after that point and if you're casting Exsanguinate for 4 or less, you are either in a really bad way or doing something wrong.

>>55265773
I have 5 EDH decks and I don't even play the game.

>>55265916
hmm damn. who would be a more interesting "draw big boys, win" commander?

How many Wastes do colorless decks run, assuming you're not on a turbo-budget

>>55265966
if you wanna go temur you could try surrak.

if you're not married to blue xenagod is always a fun powerhouse.

animar is only boring because no matter what your intentions are it always just becomes that deck with all the infinite combos

>>55265884
I disagree with Sun Droplet, "taking damage" isn't very conditional, and one instance of damage will keep you gaining life through several seperate triggers for Karlov.

Revoke Existence is good removal. Having enchantment exile is crucial to remove stuff like Erebos which just straight up hoses this deck. Return to Dust is better, but revoke is still really strong, and you can easily run both.

Debt to the Deathless becomes superior to Exsanguinate at 6 mana. Exsanguinate is pretty much NEVER better than Debt to the Deathless.

>>55265975
i run three in karn just as targets for solemn simulacrum. they're not actually that great, and i'm thinking of cutting them completely because solemn is kinda bad compared to the other ramp in the deck.

>>55265943
I think he's going for only BB needed to cast Exsanguinate unlike DtD that needs WWBB.

>>55265943
yea for some reason I thought the card said target opponent, definitely way better than I thought.

I would also add to the post>>55265884
cliffhaven vampire seems really slow
crypt incursion is good only against certain decks
definitely take out chalice of life because its slow and you might not be able to use it the way you want it to at certain point

>>55265984
Id rather have Anguished Unmaking than Revoke Existence. You could make a case for having both but he already has a bunch of target removal: Utter End, Vindicate, Return to Dust, and Mortify. I guess he could run it if his meta has a lot of indestructible artifacts or enchantments but Im not a fan desu

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So is she just a combo enabler, or are there other fun things that I can do with her? And if she is combo enabler, what combos does black have outside the typical "Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond", and how do you make sure you can get combos to go without getting shut down/interrupted in Black?

>>55266128
with sidisi and now razaketh she's kind of overshadowed as the monoblack combo commander, especially because your opponents get to go get their own combos as well.

she's probably alright if you're in a super blue-heavy meta where people tend to draw a lot of cards, but outside of that i'd just stick to using better commanders.

>>55266128
>>55266159
for monoblack combos there's the one you listed, mindcrank + bloodchief ascension, mike and trike, or the classic "ad nauseam your whole deck" strategy

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My friend is building a draw-go control deck using this as commander, how hated would he be in your group?

>>55266205
>Mike and Trike
kek

Also I don't get the deal with Ad Nauseam, it deals damage to you based on the CMC of the cards you pull off your deck yea? How do you keep it from killing you?

>>55266219
a resounding "meh"

jenara, thrasios+anyone, tasigur, and even kefnet make better draw go commanders.

>>55266237
by building your deck so that it doesn't.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/26-10-16-sidisi-ant/

>>55264327
I fucking love being the king from the moment I bring out my commander
being the one to overcome a 1v3 is more fulfulling than being a part of the 3v1 gang up to get rid of one player

thankfully I found the group of players at the fnm who bring decks theyve put work and care into instead of the group of:
>kid who mashed X premade decks together
>gf of the ringleader who bought her a commander deck and doesnt know all of the basics yet
>ringleader who netdecks but has his crew of dipshits who wont play without him
>poor kid who borrows cards/decks or fills out his charity deck

swear every time a new player asks me to play I have to let a million different things slide and just refuse to use cards in order let him have some fun, every time I accept a game with someone newish I play my own game of "prevent my death for as long as possible untill I run out of shit and they finally kill me" instead of actually trying to win

>>55266391
i'd rather be the guy with the white-bordered chromium deck that everyone ignores until it's too late

>>55266219
game would end up me and him playing draw go together taking turns dealing with everyone elses threats till one of us takes the lead or makes a mistake
4 player control war is the most fun high level players can have

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Thinking of building some sort of Prison EDH deck. What's a good place to start? Are there any strong EDH prisons competitively?

I was thinking something like teferi stasis chain veil combo. Teferi -1 to fuel stasis and a couple of mana artifacts, then lock people out of untapping and wear them out with like some mill spells or something. Alternatively, would some Zur the enchanter combo also work here?

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>>55265975
I run 14 beacause of this boy and because i have exactly 14 fullart wastes

>12 hours until wizards gives us a peek at magic arena

It better have edh support as that is by far the most fun format

>>55266507
I hope they start putting QR codes in their boosters to get a booster in arena too when you open a real one

>>55266514
That would be a pretty cool way of doing it

you know this won't happen

>>55263905

As someone who has a Scion of the Ur-Dragon, their nothing alike.

>>55266526
The Pkemon CCG already did it and it was one of the major selling points of their online game, if they do it a lot of people will get interested in magic online because of "free" stuff. You would still pay to get older cards though.

>>55263905
A scion deck is pretty heavy on reanimator, the dragon precon is just a pile of big dudes for timmies but you can turn it into a pretty good deck by getting an omniscience and ways to tutor for it, a lot of ramp, card draw and a decent suite of removal.

>>55265975
how do you guys not have a box full of wastes. I use them for proxies because I'm so sick of stumbling across them.

>>55266471
Iso + Fire/Ice doesn't work with the rule change.

>>55264352
Hexproof says it can't be targeted by spells or abilities your opponents control. You know what is not a spell or ability your opponents control? Diaochan's ability.

So, exactly how broken is the competitive ranking meter on Tapped Out? Nearly everything I've built is listed 100% competitive, and I doubt most of them could even stand up to a "75%" deck.

>>55266776
100% borked

>>55266786
I had a feeling when I built a deck around a Homelands legend for shits and it gave me 100%. Only thing that didn't get 100% was Nu-Kozilek EDH, which got 90%.

>>55266471
Fire//Ice has a cmc of 4 when it's not in the stack.
For prisons, I would say that Stranglehold, Aven Mindcensor and Hushwing Gryff are good staples and as commander, I would use Numot or Zedruu.
Unless you are talking about different kind of prison.

>>55266776

The only change I made to a deck that was "100% Casual" was to change the description from something like "Low powered Mayael deck" to "Mayael the Anima! Crush your enemies under the hooves, paws, and claws of your army of deadly creatures!" and it went to 100% Competitive.

So completely borked.

>>55266867
>>55266631
>>55266471
Not specifically speaking about Isoscepter mind you, that's just an example. I just want to know if there's strong prison decks in commander, or what the basis of one would be. I figure you could also build some sort of Lantern control thing, using Lantern or Field of Dreams tutored by a Zur, and one of many mill artifacts. I did play a lantern game in a planechase round once, it was surprisingly effective.

>>55263184
Semi-competitive flavourtown is where it's at

>>55265618
I missed the original post, can you fill me in?

>>55267228
This would be a good time to learn how the archives work. It's a valuable resource.

>>55261320
e x p i r e d

My friend did some real jank shit the other day and I want to check if it works the way he made it work
>playing Kaalia
>attacks and puts master of cruelties on the battlefield tapped and attacking
>opponent can't block
>life total becomes one once no blockers are declared
>Kaalia then hits

Is that how it should have worked?

>>55267489
yes that is a bread and butter kaalia combo, same with alesha.

>>55267489
I think combat damage is assigned simultaneously?

If the rules state that he can choose what hits first, then sure.

>>55264872
T-thanks /edhg/...

>>55267536
Sorry as the head judge of /edhg/ I say the only course of action is you and your friend fuck each other silly, whoever submits first loses their right to play the deck.

>>55267513
Master of Cruelties has First Strike, so he hits first, reduce the LP to 1, and then the other creatures without First Strikes hit

>>55267561
I vote for this

>>55267580
MoC doesn't assign combat damage at all if his ability resolves.
It triggers & resolves at the end of Declare Blockers step if there are no creatures blocking him. This happens before any combat damage is dealt.
Then first strike damage assignment occurs. MoC assigns none because his ability resolves, and any first-strikers then connect
Then normal-strike damage assignment occurs and yada, yada, yada

>>55267561
this but upload to pornhub

>>55266885
>put all my effort into a teysa deck
>upload list to tappedout
>35% competitive
>add teferis protection
>100% competitive

no idea how they calculate this.

>>55267561
Can the loser be forced to dress as a girl?

>>55262636
same here. Not as easy as i thought because you need lots of vampires

>all this gay shit
>no sperging about it yet

is it possible tg is gayer than both vg and r9k?

>>55267994
yes, now put a dress on

>>55267994
Where do you see "gay shit" in this threads, despite the actual cards with gay kings on it?

Is Geist of Saint traft a degenerate commander? I have a buddy who says hexproof on such a cheap commander is unfair.

>>55268009
sorry im a top

>>55268025
No? In edh there are enough ways to remove hexproof, and every deck has most of the time many boardwipes.

>>55268030
Look up Josou Seme and then live that dream.

>>55268049
no, tops should be bishis who love cute ukes
its the purest love

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>>55268062
>>55268049
>>55268030
>>55268009

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>>55264596

>>55268113
>>55268113
>>55268113
>>55268113

>>55263184
As wide as Dinos can go, I suppose. >>55263243
seems like as competitive as Gishath can get.

>>55265975
I run 2 for Mycosynth Wellspring and random stuff like Path to Exile but I could easily replace them with some utility lands.

>>55265426
t. blue asshole that can't play his own threats

>>55263145
>Equal to the CMC of the sacrificed artifact.
>I sacrifice my 7/11 to deal 1 damage.