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>>55235600
We will return

I hope I posted this on the right place...

I used to toy with WHFB when I was younger, but recently I saw the Disciples of Tzeentch and I thought they were absolutely bitchin' and had to get back into the game.

Beyond the resources given could anybody give me some pointers on getting started specifically with the Disciples? I was hoping to run a horde/summoning army with emphasis on Pink, Blue and Brimstone horrors before incorporating other units.

Also, are there max unit sizes? As I'm hoping in the long run to base my unit size and army structure somewhat around the Roman Army. I know that could go into thousands and thousands and thousands of models, but I wouldn't mind bigger than life battles.

Sorry if this is the wrong place for asking.

>> 55230883

Late reply to this guy, but I went to the GW shop in Winter Park once. Its just a long drive there through 408/I-4 traffic, and then having to get out of that shopping center. Wasn't sure what days they would be playing that they would accept a newbie coming up to just play a small game. When I went, it seemed like it was all tourney or pre-arranged campaign stuff

>>55235928
Let's get the bad out of the way first: Summoning is shit.
Beyond that you can't really go wrong with Disciples, they have a excellent selection of units and heroes.
Their general playstyle favors mid- to short-ranged shooting supported by decent melee and powerful casting.
Be sure to grab the Disciples of Tzeentch battletome and the General'S Handbook 2017 from the OP; also, the warscroll builder (also in the OP) helps with assembling your force.

>>55236058
What's wrong with summoning?

>>55235502
Gdańsk is a beautiful city overall, a bit confusing, just shame that we don't have any local hobby store and nearest is in Gdynia, otherwise I could play age of sigmar more often, now just have to limit myself to playing with brothers and sometimes going to Gdynia

>>55235928

Start Collecting! Tzeentch Daemons is great value for money and you could create an okay 2k army using just those boxes. You've already said you want Pink Horrors, so if chariots, flamers and screamers are appealing to you I'd definitely get at least one.

The next obvious choice is the blue/brimstone horror box. Beyond that you have to ask yourself if you want to favour mortal or daemon units. Your puchases will depend heavily on that.

>>55236058
Thank you for the advice friend!

>>55236162
I actually had planned on getting the Start Collecting! Tzeentch Daemons and buying a box of Blue Horrors & Brimstone Horrors, nice to see great minds think alike, heh.
I also have friends who might get into the game with me, and we were all going to go with a particular chaos god initially so we could have some interchanging between WhFB/AoS and 40K. Is the Start Collecting! Daemons of Khorne, Daemons of Nurgle, and Daemons of Slaanesh also strong for starting out?

>>55236154
yeah, this seems to be a problem of many larger cities. ton of people that want to play, but no store play in, because the up keep of one costs too much and people only buy stuff second hand/online or recast.

What have you guys got planned for Armies on Parade?

>>55236331

Skipping it this year do to my current position in life, but next year it's a given. Still need to figure out what army i want to do as mentioned a couple of times already but if i don't see any interesting new armies by may/june next year i'll settle down on kharadron overlords army up in the clouds with some sky islands dotting the board.

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>>55233859
Madman

>>55236141
Everything. You have to pay for the summoned unit, the arrival isn't guaranteed, possibly calls a randomnumber of models, makes you waste a spell and you still need to set-up far from the opponent.
The only decent use out of summoning is getting past allegiance restrictions, but that's only relevant for a miniscule number of forces.

>>55236406

Included it in the op and was tempted to call this the madman edition.

>>55236239
The SC boxes for daemons are all pretty decent. None of them are incredible, but they work well and provide a good introduction into their respective forces.

>>55235879

Like Spire of Dawn "returned" to OOP?

lol

>>55236549
Spire of Dawn isn't OOP

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Never

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Week's rumour engine

ELVES CONFIRMED

or something else, idunno.

>>55236731
Looks aelve or duardin to me

>>55234578
M8 that's how it dries. Its normal.
You have to layer all the raised areas and smooth it out with a regular layer paint again, leaving the shades in the recesses

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Are plague monks decorative rats big enough for giant rats?

>>55236731
Stormcast mask detail.

>>55236731
Looks like a fancy death spear to me. Maybe something related to shadespire?

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>>55236791

Fug, ok.
But my Auric Armor Gold won't arrive until next week.
Also, I was thinking about painting my Stormcast like this.
I've got lots of different tips for the white parts, should I go base with Ceramine White and highlight with White Scar or base with Astral Grey and highlight with a brighter grey? And no idea what to use to layer the white parts.

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Flesh eater courts anon here. My states about to be without power for like 2 weeks, so i figured this'd be a great time to catch up on AoS since i havent had time lately. Should i go for ghoul king and terrogeist seperate or ghoul king on terrogeist? Also what changes to unit costs happened since the handbook update?

Pic is what little i finished before I got busy

>>55236601
I want a virgin nagesh vs chad settra now

>>55236830
>mouldline on the foreground hammer
In to the trash it goes

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>>55236731

>>55236897
Perfect, as always

>>55236857
You can check the changes yourself, since they updated the scrollbuilder.

But I'd say a ghoulking is worth it on the gheist, at least if you play 2k.

>>55236897
Could easily be stylized winged armor for the gryphhounds of stormcast

>>55236591
It is. Customer service told me it had been discontinued.

>>55237077
It isn't in America

>>55237077
As a proud Customer Support employee (not for GW tho), I have told customers a product is discontinued just because I couldn't find it on our page. That's how much insight CS gets on product availability on average.

>>55237107

Good job GW doesn't produce things in America then

>>55236830
white isn't EZ. You need lots of thin layers.
You lay down a grey first. DONT go straight white.
So something like layer 1 = Grey, 2 = pallid wytch flesh or a light grey, 3 = white

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Which faction would be the best for the a e s t h e t i c painting?

>>55237425
Stormcast specific or in general?
Stormcast = Turd brown suits them.
In terms of general factions, Seraphon and Tzeentch are both awesome for cool colors

>>55237425

Tzeentch

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>>55237425
Free people's can be pretty good for that

Also, imo, Seraphon

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>>55237465
*greatchad struts*

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>>55237445
M O O N
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>>55237465
The detail of the saliva on his teeth is pretty cool but at the same time reminds me of people getting sloppy with the glue

>>55237465
>tfw FW will always have shit painters

Seriously, they need to let Duncan have a day to paint display models of their products that actually look nice and not ugly brown turds.

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How does the Blades of Khorne faction fair right now?
Any good or trash?

>>55237633
Why does so much of their recent stuff look terrible, anyway? They were never 'Eavy Metal-tier with most things, but their painted models always looked good. Nowadays a lot of them have ridiculously strong contrasts everywhere and they just look plain wrong.

>>55237729
>how do the current Chaos posterboys fair right now?

Yeah I dunno, not like they're a big part of the box sets with a heap of heroes and units made for AoS.

>>55237107

Anecdotal, but I ordered Spire of Dawn 2 weeks ago and got it last week in the US.

>>55237933
They could be good or they could just be the punchbag for the SCE

Question: Alligance abilities can be taken in a path to glory game?

>>55238048
No

>>55238038
They're bloody good if you even glanced at their (free) statblocks. Tons of buffing, featuring a big bannerboi who was the inspiration/test model for the Primaris Ancient. Mortal Wounds everywhere, getting them from charging in an elite unit to even just making armour saves with one of the basic troop units. Even the Lord that comes in the cheap as chips starter set (which you can then sell/trade off the Sigmar half to recoup around 40% of the box value) has a chance to outright fucking KO anything that he's damaged in a given turn.

I remember some speculation a while ago about a new faction based on Bretonnia. Did anything ever come of that or is it still speculation?

Either way, how would YOU do Bretonnians in AoS?

>>55238242
>Either way, how would YOU do Bretonnians in AoS?
There is no place in such setiing for Bret-like faction

>>55238246

There would be if they all flew on gryphons and were basically holy knights templar

>>55238266
>There would be if they all flew on gryphons and were basically holy knights templar
Who needs another SCE?

>>55238108
care to elaborate?

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>>55238242
> Greatest Brettonian heroes reforged into Extremis Chambers

>>55238364
>2k17
>GW making dragon by using laser-print

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Pic details Chaos Dwarfs in Age of Sigmar

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>>55236897

>>55237862
The company's been assigning shitloads of people to make the Specialist Games. They only have 2 guys working on 30k, for instance.

Any way of painting skeletuns to make them interesting? Collecting deathrattle but I don't want to paint them into the boring red

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>>55237862
"What'th wrong, Brotha? AM I NOT HANTHOME?!"

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Was this ever identified as something that has been released yet?

>>55238715
Nope.

>>55237077
I can buy spire of dawn right now, in fact I'll buy two

>>55238874
>itt 'discontinued' means 'they won't sell what's left'

>>55238886
ask their facebook page

>>55238469
They'll need to tweak that if they ever make a faction out of them. "Furnace Kings" isn't nearly copywritable enough. Something more like "Infurnicial Reginarchs", perhaps? No, I don't think that's cringey enough.

>>55238886
it doesn't have the LAST CHANCE TO BUY icon which means they're still making more

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>>55238679
Taco skelemans

>>55238936
What about the countries where it's been delisted entirely?

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Memeing a part, I'd honestly like some news around elves.

I mean, they were an inportant part of the Old World, and theyr models have always been cool

A light-based and/or shadow based races of elves could be quite a cool

>>55236793
bump - I need ~10 for my moulder warband

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>>55238242
That would be pretty hard to pull off, but I would honestly made a full-mounted cavalry army, but for the trebuchet and maybe the archers

And emphasize all the unique units, such as the pegasus knights, the grial-knights, etc

>But anon, that would be way too similar to old Bretonnia, doomed to disappear

Then, for something completely new that would just preserve the aesthetic for Bretonnia I propose...

Goddamnit, I free guit didn't had the Griffons and semi-griffons already and the SCE the dragons this would be easy

First, what realm would they mainly live in?
I could see Azyr and Hysh
Azyr has the SCE so better nope

Hysh then
They could be super shiny honorable knights armed with light and

I can't fucking do this, that's just a lame copy of SCE

Fuck this I can't.
I'm sorry Bretonnia, I failed.

>>55239544
If free guild didn't*

>>55238881
I thought the rat tail was the fat skavin for the football game?

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>>55235600
Post YFW GW brings back the old world with sigmarines and blood born as elite armies because they finally accept that nuking a 20+ years worth of lore and world building for sigmar an friends in space was a bad idea.

Shit posting aside, I actually think we are gonna see the old world either A) come back, or B) be run as a parallel universe to AoS

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Anyone play skirmish? We're starting some games soon at 50 points starter warbands.

Any tips and tricks?

>>55239622
I do and...

Just have fun lol

Ok, now for real, we use Dwarfs (both Dispossessed and Kharadron) Orruk (Ironjawz, goblins etc) and Deathrattle, and imo the horde armies are usually in better shape than the elite ones

Also movility is extremely important

>>55239366
we're probably going to get both, inevitably

until then I"m using my mistweaver owo

>>55239622
Fuckin love it, my GF started playing AoS thanks to skirmish.
>Any tips and tricks?
If your friends don't have ~18 renown heroes then start the campaign with 30 renown per player. Bodies-count matters so even shitty models can be really useful if they cost 1 renown

>>55236793
I've used them like that when I was a poor young lad. They do the job but I still find them too small.

>>55239603
I had a quick look through the Skaven BB miniatures and it doesn't look like the tail matches any of them.

>>55239605
I'd like them to bring back the Old World because if nothing else they'd be forced to make rules for mixed-clan Skaven armies again.

>>55239113
as far as I can tell that's only ireland and it's probably just a website fuckup, like when some fat retard accidentally set the bloodbowl troll to discontinued

>>55239954
The old world is literally the big giant globe that Azyr surrounds

>>55239544
The empire compendium renamed an old unit as Knights of Order.

This might imply they have something planned for an unified army of knights.

>>55240009
>Only Ireland
Belgium (Eng)
Belgium (Fr)
Denmark
Finland
France
Ireland
Italy
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Sweden
UK

It's literally half of their regions, anon.

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>>55240112
You have to know that's not what he meant. You can't be that autistic.

>>55239366
>A light-based and/or shadow based races of elves could be quite a cool
You already have a mandrakes
>>55239622
>Any tips and tricks?
Play SCE

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>>55239605
I'm not sure I agree with you about them bringing back WHFB and folding in AoS armies into it, but I do think we'll see it come back in one form or another, even if its some one off board game or something.

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Best all cavalry army in Age of Sigmar?

x2 Mighty Lords of Khorne on juggernauts
Valkia the Bloody
x3 (6) Mighty Skullcrushers
x4 (3) Mighty Skullcrushers
Brass Stampede battalion
2000 points

>>55240346
Valkia the Bloody is Cavalry?

>>55240346
>Age of Sigmar
>cavalry

>>55240380

You can drop her for another MLOK on jugg if it triggers your autism.

>>55240416
Hey, you're the one who specified 'all cavalry' then put non-cavalry in there.

>>55240346
I'm building an all Chaos Cavalry list as well. Just shitloads of Knights and Chariots led by a Lord on Daemonic Mount + some Varanguard.
Maybe going full Khorne like you would be more effective, but I just love the look of Chaos Knights, always have.

>>55240253
What else does bringing back the old world mean then

>>55239605
No, because 20 years worth of stagnant fluff is boring as fuck. The freedom to release whatever wacky fucking idea they want like sky dwarves without fanboys whining about it not fitting into the setting is more valuable than salty fanboys who cant accept change.

>>55240517

> kidna want to make a chaos cav army
> varanguard seems to be really good
> 100 us dollars
> 3 models
> only 300 points

>>55240675
this. not having to tiptoe around 20 years of preexisting fluff just to release something

>>55240598
The countries, characters and setting, not just the physical rock.

>>55240302
Sauce for that cosplay?

Is pretty cool

>>55240736
Sounds lame. We still have plenty of vidya for that, but the world is gone man, let it go

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>>55240820
Hey, I'm not the guy who asked for it, I'm just explaining what he meant since you didn't get it.

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>>55240346
>not realizing the answer to "what's best" is always the golden boys

>>55240905
>and someone thought that monster-cavalry in WHFB 8th edition was bad

>>55240905
As soon as the Dracoths figure out who knocked out all their teeth, it's on!

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Someone convince me these aren't shit.
160 points for 3 of them.

>>55241092
> arent shit

how about the fact that they deal a shit ton of damage because of their re-rolls and d6 round data

plus they fucking heal. Note: Thats each crypt horror, not each crypt horror unit. So you'll be healing 3 wounds per turn is how I read it

Is there a PDF of Path to glory anywhere by any chance? does it have its own general?

>>55241135
>how about the fact that they deal a shit ton of damage because of their re-rolls and d6 round data
Not so good as shitton of stable mortal-wounds spam

>>55240905
Would an all Cavalry vs. Cavalry game even be fun or would it mainly depend on who gets the first charge? Also can't have too much terrain to have some space to maneuver.

>>55240675
>t.LoLplayer

>>55241092
High damage potential, strong rerolls, can be reinforced easily, fairly durable, fast, excellent bravery.
They are some of the best guys you'll have in FEC if properly supported.
>>55241135
You can't assign wounds to different models, so that's irrelevant as at most you'll still only have one damaged horror.
They're still good, mind you.

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>>55241157
choke the middle of the board with elite cavalry and support it with the best shooting in the game

>>55241243
>if properly supported.
>army with 3 units
>proper support

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>Samecast cuckternal shitposting again

>>55241273
With a Ghoul King and a Crypt Haunter Courtier they are pretty damn tough and can dish out quite a lot of damage.

>>55238679
Asking this again, please no taco skeletons

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>>55241244
>>55240905

>>55241452
>With a Ghoul King and a Crypt Haunter Courtier they are pretty damn tough
-> >>55241244

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>>55241243
That's all fine and dandy, but isn't taking 16 of these guys just better in every situation?
(16 is just the equivalent, I'd take big units).

Note that these don't auto-heal but get resurrected MUCH easier (2+ instead of 5+) and their damage output is way higher!
32 attacks instead of 12 WITHOUT the bonus for being many

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Is there an army you really want to start but you already have the main one or have not enough money/time to fuck with another army? Or maybe you don't even really need another army but you are feeling the temptation grow?

I really want to start the FEC army but I don't even like the models desu. Every time I'm in my LGS for some mtg or aos stuff I'm just staring at the FEC start collecting and l can't shake the overpowering feeling that I should buy it. I find these models terrible as fuck, sculpts are shitty and there is nearly no model variety but God help me - these ugly fuckers are haunting me. I don't even want another horde army - I'm already tired with my skaven shit desu

>>55241635
FEC?? as in FyrEslaterCs?

>>55241635
I know what you mean. Their fluff is really compelling, and the Terrorgheist is amazing, but fuck me if the rest of the line isn't hideous, and not in the good way.

>>55241675
lol im dumb. I meant FyrEslayerCs ¬_¬

>>55241635
What are you talking about? The models are wonderful, silk capes, gold regalia everywhere, the finest shining armors and swords in all the land and a beautiful leader with a cascade of golden curls riding a majestic white dragon! What more could you ask for?

>>55241635
I feel you Anon, I play chaos, but I really want to get some Spiderfang Grots with throggoths and Gargants.

>>55241635
I really want to make a night goblin army with hundreds of squigs but the thought of painting all those bodies makes me think it's a bad idea.

>>55241635

Want to do a Beastclaw Raider army but I have about 4000pts of Khorne to paint.

>>55241635
I want to start Soulblight, but I'm not using their ancient Shitcast line, and I'm being picky about what I proxy with.

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>>55241695
>but fuck me if the rest of the line isn't hideous, and not in the good way
My greenskinz story - I bought a box of boyz just because they look so goofy and hideous that I actually find them appealing as old models. FEC on the other hand...
>>55241760
They look terrible but yeah - their lore is great. I hope I could play as FEC delusional knight in the AoS RPG in 2018

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Chaos Dorfs is best dorfs

>>55241907

that looks like a tauren from wow

>>55241635
I wanna do all skeletons lead by Arkhan and Wight Kings.

>>55241942
You need glasses

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So, I'm still thinking about making my own Duardin Steam Tank like pic's related
(pic is courtesy of one of you from the last thread i think)

But... is the Steam Tank itself any good?

I've read the warscroll and looks good for me, but I'm not a great player either

>>55241526
>I have utterly no idea how the game works

>>55236793
I love them but the guy's randomly wearing robes are probably too silly for Moulder, and the actual rats i always stuck 2 on each base so it's less small and shitty looking

>>55241635
I'm in the exact same situation is this anon >>55241999

But i have to work through my Ironjawz and Duardin first, and I love both of them, so it will take a while until I can put some effort on the skellies

I have a 100 Skirmish points of them, and for now that's just fine

In fact I think I like Duardin too much, I keep having ideas for them, I'm actually this anon >>55242030

So I've been thinking about moonclan, how's this look?


Allegiance: Destruction

Leaders
Grot Warboss On Great Cave Squig (120)
- Moon Cutta & Git Shield
Moonclan Grot Shaman (80)

Battleline
15 x Cave Squigs (180)
- Moonclan Battleline
40 x Moonclan Grots (260)
- Bows & Slittas
40 x Moonclan Grots (260)
- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields

Units
2 x Grot Squig Herders (20)
3 x Grot Fanatics (100)

Behemoths
Mangler Squigs (240)
Mangler Squigs (240)
Mangler Squigs (240)
Mangler Squigs (240)

Total: 1980/2000

>>55242030
It's generally a neat unit. 280 desn't break the bank and it can vomit out a impressive number of shots, especially with the rerolls. Don't expect wonders, but it can reinforce a gunline pretty well and in a pinch can dive into melee to stall for other units.

>>55242035
Thanks for the help

Is there a way to play dwarfs without those big ships of their? like 2-3 squads of marines, 2-3 squads of mortars supported by characters and maybe a squad of ballon guys to capture objectives.

Starting to get kind of pissed at my friend's Death army. Playing against it is a fucking chore and forces the most terrible tactics.

>lol my blood knights regenerate a model each turn haha so epic
>oh and also all of my models have 10 bravery

I am so salty about death. I've held off on going full warpfire thrower stormfiends and warp lightning cannon cheesefest but this is pushing me to the fucking limit.

>>55242115
You are a mad man. Your best bet is charging with you mangler turn 1 and kill as much as you can.

Also try to get double turns, but it's unlikely given the amount of drops that you have.

And for the bad moon's love keep those magler more than 6" from each other. I've personally killed two of my warbosses with a dying one

>>55242195
He paid 100 dollars for those blood knights, they better fucking give him a blow job while they are at it. Lay off him anon.

>>55242140
Cool then!
I would probably buy it anyways just for the aesthetic, but knowing it's actually useful helps a lot

>>55242195

Just talk with him and tell him you think the bloodknights are a little cheesy and that you'd like to play a game or two without him using them.

If he's unwilling to compromise so that both of you can have fun, then go full stormfiend cheese on him and wipe him off the table and wipe the smug grin off of his face.

Then proceed to take his models and beat them with a hammer

>>55242293
The thing is without those bloodknights the undead kind of a suck.

>>55242178
Okay, real talk: horrors have an easier time piling in (where ghouls are forced to deal with their shitty 1" weapons), can reroll all hit rolls as opposed to rerolling only 1s, have a better to-wound, heal a little, each reinforce effect restores a 4 wound model as opposed to a single wound and occasionally their damage rises to 3.
That's pretty good. Ghouls are a okay tarpit and can eventually do decent damage, but Horrors are there for killing shit.

>>55242366

Well if he has to rely on a single unit to win him games, maybe he should play another army?

There's plenty of people that make Death armies work without Blood Knights, he doesn't really "NEED" them

>>55242195
Blood Knights only heal wounds if they kill on that turn. Stop getting killed.

BKs are so expensive - in both terms - that asking him to not field them is like asking you to not bring your army at all.

>>55242423

>blood knights only heal wounds if they kill on that turn

They heal a whole MODEL each hero phase mate, meaning they heal five wounds each turn.

I haven't had internet for days and I'm 5000km from home. Does anyone have all the new nurgle scans from blightwars? I'm dying to see it. Thanks.

>>55242447
So stop getting killed. Skaven are the exact wrong type of army to face them, it doesn't mean that they're 'bad units'.

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>>55235600

>>55242416
well not all armies are loved by GW like sigmarites and have 2-3 good units to make an army out of. I have never seen undead army win a big tournament, and those that placed high all used blood knights. So yeah he kind of a does need them.

>>55242494

>this thing is broken so switch to an equally broken army to counter it

Time to spam warpfire mortal wounds.

>>55242187
No. You can't take pure mortar units anymore in the first place.
Beyond that your guys are shit without their taxis. Arkanaut Company won't outshoot or outfight anybody without firesupport and Grundstock Thunderers need the transport to bail them out of shitty situations.

>>55242413
Thanks, oddly enough I didn't think of the fact that resurrecting one horror means getting 4 wounds at once.
Have a kiss

>>55242530

I think that's your problem, you two aren't IN a tournament, you're playing casually against each other.

No shit you're not going to have fun if he's a WAAC-fag and you're playing casually.

>>55242530
tomb kings were winning everything when AoS just came out

>>55242641

Because they also have broken and retarded mechanics that resurrect models and cause 10 mortal wounds if you rolled double sixes.

Burn them all to death with mortal wound spam.

>>55242630
waac? what is that besides it somehow being gay. Because I am not, and as far as lists building and model buying goes. I have never met someone who bought models that were bad, it would be waste of money. So to be honest I don't really understand the supposed difference between tournament and non tournament lists, other then tournament lists being skewed to some local scenario pack being played, and non tournament lists being build out of the best stuff rules can make.

>>55242548
Why in the rule book I have it says you can take mortars? But if they don't work without the ships, then the army idea is dead.

>>55242701
Yes stormcast are much better

>>55242641
It's almost funny how strong Tomb Kings and Bretonnia were when AoS first came out. They were weak in WHFB.

>>55242702

WAAC= win at all costs

It describes a player that uses overly-strong units and abilites in scenarios that don't call for it, in this example, casual play.

WAACfags are the 300lb sperglords that show up to casual MTG games with a multiple-tournament-winning deck just to beat everyone there. Fun doesn't matter to them, only winning does.

If your friend always has to use powerful units and abilities in a casual setting just so he can win repeatedly, then he is a WAAC-fag

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Please correct me if I'm mistaken - to build a Crypt Infernal Courtier I have to buy a Crypt Flayers box and actually sacrifice one model just to gain a hero but I will end up with two unusable models (a unit of crypt flayers has 3 models min)?
Same with Crypt Haunter Courtier - Crypt Horrors and Crypt Ghast Courtier - Crypt Ghouls - or maybe there are enough parts to assemble both a hero and a unit?

>>55242641
>tomb kings were winning everything when AoS just came out
>>55242752
>It's almost funny how strong Tomb Kings and Bretonnia were when AoS first came out.

what is "power creep" for 500 Alex.

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>>55242702
GBH2 neutered Thunderers, because they were insanely overpowered.
The nerf-bat was probably swung too hard here, but the unit needed to be changed badly.

>>55242835
The nerf was hard, but theyr aether-rifle is still pretty decent
And combined with the Aether-Khemist's buff can deal some good damage, 5 thunderers would be able to shoot up to 15 times.
At least imo

>>55242810
No, you are right, you only get two more guys if you assemble a hero. Most Flesheater courts player buy one box to assemble two Haunter Courtiers and an Infernal Courtier (or vice versa if they're weird) and call it a day.
It's stupid, but I'm just glad we actually got some hero variety.

>>55242887
Yeah, agreed. Rifles offer solid range and have an okay profile. I'm not sure I'd invest in a khemist anymore, though. There are stronger investments now.

Still waiting for the Ninja Aelfs and Jedi Aelfs.

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>>55242929
>Still waiting for the Ninja Aelfs and Jedi Aelfs.

same

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>>55242896
Jesus, that's ridiculous. Is there any way to play FEC on budget? I see that there is much of hate-love for them on the internet and I was thinking about a Start Collecting box + 2 Skirmish Warband boxes but now I'm worried it might be not enough to build a playable 1000pts army

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>>55242969
Why did I think of Griffith vs Ganishka upon seeing this image?

>>55242923
>There are stronger investments now.
Didn't know that, it's been quite some time I don't look at them

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>>55243030
I was thinking of using Ogres for horrors.
Even without being a super-cheapskate and using Ogre Bulls, look at this guy and tell me he doesn't fit as a Crypt Haunter courtier!

>>55243310
Is he anally raping that gob?

>>55243325
It's consentual. That's a look of pleasure.

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>pestilens is a good army
Kek

>>55238920
They'll just use a name like Khadaron Overlords.

Overlords is not copyrightable. but Khadaron Overlords is.

>>55243410
Stop being logical when I'm trying and failing to make jokes.

>>55241526
If someone starts blocking your spells to res units, you lose Ghouls FAST

And if you're ressing ghouls via anything but the shitty ghoul hero, you're also wasting valuable magic.

Can I get a fellow Megaboss (or anyone else) to critique this list for an upcoming 1500pt tourney?

Megaboss on Maw Krusha
- -1 Rend Artifact
- d3 Inspiring Presence Command Trait

Warchanter

Moonclan Grot Shaman

10x Brutes with Gore Hackas
- 2x Gore Choppas
- 1x Fist and Basha

10x 'Ard Boyz

10x 'Ard Boyz

3x Gore Gruntas

Comes out to 1480 points.

>>55242544
>My only wait to win is use massive cheese.

Or just use a regular source of Mortal wounds?

Hell, Spam Arcane Bolt, the fucker isn't going to have more than 10 Blood Knights.

>>55242544
>Being this butthurt
Blood Knights aren't an insta-win button, you're just shit at fighting them. Git gud.

>>55243598
Different anon, but how would pestilens fare against them at 1k points if I run 90 monks and am getting 4 prayers

What the fuck were they thinking with the skryre allegiance abilities? They are all complete shit and don't contribute to anything worth the risks you take to get the small benefits of them.

The warpstone spark double damage effect only affecting ONE weapon from ONE model is completely worthless. Risking taking D6 mortal wounds to increase the damage of one attack is laughable.

>Deranged Inventor: You can re-roll failed hit rolls for friendly SKRYRE
WAR MACHINES that are within 6" of

Which only applies to the doomwheel. Do they seriously want you to run after your doomwheels with your general just to keep it in range for this piss-poor buff? The doomwheel has completely unreliable shooting and melee attacks. It is not made viable by allowing rerolls of hit rolls if it has D6 attacks to begin with. It's a HUGE gamble for a very minor benefit.

>battle trait gives skryre models 2 extra bravery for every 10 unit

Whoop-dee fucking doo, i'm sure happy that no fucking unit besides acolytes ever go in 10s or more. Why even include this battle trait if it's not going to give a benefit to the army at all? Allying in clanrats doesn't even fucking benefit the army because they don't have the skryre keyword. Meanwhile soulblight gets a 6+ invulnerable save and fyrelayer models get buffs of similar or even greater quality without taking any risks at all.

I thought the skryre gimmick was about potential devastation to the enemy or themselves, not devastating risks for absolutely no fucking gain. All of the skryre artifacts and command traits give similar buffs to the ones of other armies but at a mortal wound tax. Why is this?

It's evident that they want to funnel players into using underused weapon teams and the doomwheel, but why is skryre the only faction where you are funneled into playing with subpar units whereas other factions have buffs designed to apply to ALL units in a force?

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>>55243709
Yes-yes, but the great corruptor is big-stronger than ever.

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Holy shit, whoever recommended me to use a wet palette... thank you! I actually am enjoying painting now because its not a race to get color on the model before the paint dries into my paper backing.. now I can just adequately mix in the water I want and take my time getting the details right.

These test clanrats are gonna end up lookin like shit in the end from the previous paint (and my inept spray), but my future clanrats and stormvermin should look awesome

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>>55243864

And the current progress update. Next up is to agrax shade them all and start highlights. I dont have many highlight colors but now may be a time to actually buy some

>>55238715
Still unreleased.

Thing is with these teaser images, is that 'Eavy Metal can sometimes paint something nearly 2 years before it is ever released, so they get a lot of leeway with how long they have after posting a teaser image.

>>55243709
I think the abilities were designed with the addition of new models in mind. Deranged inventor doesn't work on lightning cannons, but would make sense for the general to sit back with artillery amd buff it. Same with the bravery buff, which only buffs acolytes, and barely. It would make more sense if new 10-20 rat infantry came into the mix.

I was reading the Darkling Coven abilities and got the same feeling, as the Sorceress is the only leader, but some of the abilities seem better suited for the squatted dreadlord, or another hero.

As for Sparks, I don't think the risk is too great. Double damage only benefits a handful of units, but again, if new artillery showed up, it would feel more fitting. Plus part of the skryre fun is blowing yourself up.

>>55243864
What's a wet pallet? I feel like that can really help me

>>55244022

So you know how when you put paint down and mix in your water, then it starts to dry up pretty fast? Well a wet palette stops that! It keeps moist from below and your paint stays the same moistness you leave it at... for days even if you air tight seal it!

I made this out of a cheap glad sandwhich container, some paper towel underneith to hold the water, and the key point is a piece of parchment paper on top (you buy this in rolls in the baking section).

Put paper towel into the bottom, parchment paper on top, add in water to make it all moist underneath. When you put your paint on top and mix in the water, it stays how you left it because the moisture below very slowly seeps up through the parchment paper and stops it from drying out

>>55243310
He really doesn't. He looks like a fat ogre while the horrors look emaciated and haggard.
Also, a single butcher costs barely any less than a box of horrors (€31 vs. €37).
And, to be frank, you'll want two Haunter Courtiers anyway. And a Infernal Courtier is a solid warmachine/character hunter in his own right.

What happened to Balthasar Gelt? If anyone would be able to save himself from the old world id imagine it would be him

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I just made a colour scheme for the SCE heavily based on the Crimson Fists from warhammer40k

What do you think?

>>55244198
He blew up.
Less brief, he became the Incarnate of Chamon, tried to stop the end of the world a couple of times, betrayed everyone a few times (both in random order), tried to take in a second wind of magic to stabilize the world coming asunder at the big final slugfest, got stabbed by Mannfred and subsequently blew up.
He's very dead.

>>55244272
I like parts of it, but have you considered making the golden parts also white (or red, in case of the crest)? As is, there's some color clash going on.

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>>55244436

O-oh..

>>55243864
You're welcome! It's a life-changer, for sure.

Do we have a list of old world characters that still exist in the mortal realms?

>>55244436
His skull may or may not have ended up in a recent auction in Greywater Fastness.

>>55244546
Grombrindal?

>>55244570
Yes, he meets Grungni in Spear of Shadows.

>>55244474
I actually did it just for passing the time

I did test the golden parts as red, but didn't quite like it
Maybe in silver looks better

>>55244580
Have we confirmed if Grimnir is original or Gotrek?

>>55244546
Sigmar
Tyrion with a built-in Teclis
Malekith (now Malerion)
Morathi
Grungni
Grombrindal (possibly also the Black Gobbo, as implied in the White Dwarf)
Alarielle
Drycha
Kroak (after a fashion)
Nagash
Arkhan
Mannfred
Neferata
(all other undead are possible, since they are made from Nagash's memory)
Archaon
Skarr Bloodwrath
Scylla
the Glottkin
Orgotts Demonspew
Bloab Rotspawned
Morbidex Twiceborn
Festus Leechlord
Gutrot Spume
every named daemon
Slambo
That's it, I think.

>>55244964
>(all other undead are possible, since they are made from Nagash's memory)
Sooner or later, Settra will return and become Warhammer Skull Knight.

>>55244923
Grungni doesn't know if he, himself is the original or just some type of memory clone of the Old World's Grungni, so who knows about Grimnir? Could be either, could be neither, might even be both fused together but it doesn't really matter because he's dead as dead can get.

>>55242195
blood knights are not that good

your army must be really shit if you're losing to them

>>55242821
if aetherstrike didnt exist then tomb kings would have been the best army until GHB17

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>>55244995
This.

Wanting to do a Sylvanneth force as my first ever AoS army. Love love love Drycha and the giant queen Alarielle. Both beautiful models. Just wondering though, is it fluffy to have an army of spiteful, territorial dryads that just rip you limb from limb for stepping on flowers like Poison Ivy in Batman?

>>55245002
By warhammer standards, nagash came back from worse.

>>55245073
everything is fluffy in AOS, the game is designed around Your Dudes

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Alright guys, be honest with me.
Is anyone of you playing greenskinz unironically or know someone actually playing them? Not just as support units or """greenskinz army""" with 80% of bonesplitterz units - I mean real greenskinz on their own.
They seem to be as good as squatted at this point
>No battalion
>No allegiance abilities
>No battletome
>No AoS release since the start collecting box
>Just 3 heroes and 3 units
>No hero in skirmish
And don't hurr durr on me that there are plenty of other forgotten factions and noone is going to squat them. At the day 0 of AoS Greenskinz were a promising faction and they could be easily used as destruction posterboys. Plenty of models, a lot of post-Saltyhammer O&G players etc. etc. I know that GW wanted to make better money on brand new Ironjawz and I'm not gonna put a blame on them (I also find IJ look great tho) but greenskinz ended up as a posterboys of crippled armies. After GHB17 release, is there any other army fucked so hard with whfb-aos transformation?

>>55244964
Wow they sure fucked up the old worlds lore on the way out didnt they

>>55245107
Well, skaven according to skaven players and death according to death players.

>>55244964

SLAMBO!!!!

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>>55243903
>>55243864

Boom. The Agrax Earthshade really set them going. Super happy now with how they turned out. Enough that I dont mind the little messups where I got like, black on the tail or something.

And now that I have the wet palette and can go smoother at things, I'll spend far more time on the rest of the rats and everything I hope looks good.

Not sure what I'm going to do to base them though.

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>>55245259

look'n dope

>>55245041
>if aetherstrike didnt exist

were you trying to prove my point?

>>55245208
>being this wrong
Skaven players are complaining about some clans being nerfed but no skaven player is implying that skaven are going to be squatted.
Death players could be worried but with the GHB17 3 of death armies got allegiance abilities and one of them has a battletome. The big death-related event is coming so ded dudes are getting more attention.

>>55244964
Throgg
Ushoran

>>55245297
they were the 2nd best army in the game

you cant say that TK suffered from power creep if only one list ended up being stronger after 2 years of development

>>55245343
Evidently you were not here for the release of the GHB2, when the posts of 'VerminusMoulder/Eshin squatted' as well as 'Skyre/Pestilens worthless, might as well be squatted' were all over the place.

>>55245409
Oh, yeah, Ushoran, boss of the ghouls.
Throgg is news to me however. Source?

>>55245343
A lot of skaven players were doomsaying like crazy when the handbook was leaked, like getting allegiance abilities was an affront to them personally.

>>55245431
I was and noone was saying that verminus is squatted. People were mad because there is no point in playing mixed-clans anymore. Most of them actually believe that it is just a temporary nerf and the verminus battletome is coming. On the other hand greenskinz are actually moulder-tier or worse - you will at least pick a packmaster as ally to buff the stormfiends

My brother and I had a discussion awhile ago on how to make greenskinz work and we both agreed they should be 80 per 10 and not 100. Well, at 40 boyz they're 80 points per 10. They're also battle line for destruction. You can easily take 120 boyz, ork idol, greenskinz warboss on boar or wyvern and then take 5 man brute squads to act as your hammers. I think people underestimate battleline troops with a rend and a rerollable armor save, which gets better with mystic shield.

>>55245649
You'll want those boys in BIG units, so you need spears, which in turn means no Rend.
And even then you need to bring in shit from another, better subfaction to do the actual heavy lifting.

>>55245741
I don't think spears would outdo the choppa in this case. Big units aren't always defaulted to spears. Freeguild spears are terrible because you can take Tanky swordsman or hammer-light halberdiers with the rend. Ork boyz are the happy medium with rend, good armor save with rerolls and your orks should have 2-3 attacks each with rerolling wound rolls with the banner. And yeah, relying on another unit to do the heavy lifting is classic hammer and anvil. With the new meta leaning on hordes, being able to rend the opposing battleline troops is quite beneficial. Just my opinion of course.

>>55245259
the base should contrast.
so if your rats are mostly brown, not brown.
either do astrogranite or a lot of grass, you could do desert/sand, snow, etc.
not brown on brown though

>>55245844
Attacking twice with ten guys that have Rend-1 or attacking twice with ~25 guys, I know what I'll pick.
And the main downfall of Freeguild spearmen is that they can't take shields, not that the spears are shit.

>>55245926

My old 40k go to basing back in the day was a dark sand with those bright green tufts of grass. Super simple and super cheap, not sure if that's still a thing you can get though, this was 12-15 years ago

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So how's this for a standard shooting heavy Sylvaneth list?

>>55235600
Does the Grand Alliance Order book have different warscolls than the Battletomes or no?

>>55246113
>shooting heavy
>only 6 kurnoths with bow

try again

>>55245409
Throgg is not still around

>>55246365
>30 glade guard with -3 rend bows
try again fegget

>>55244964
Is Drazoath still kickin?

>>55246339
nvm

>>55246397
Yes he is. He is mentioned to be leading a horde of Chaos Monsters through the Mortal Realms

>>55246412
>30 glade guard with -3 rend bows
they will surely tremble in fear of the 5 wounds on average youlll end up doing when you pop that once per game ability...

glade guard are nothing more than an overpriced tarpit/objective holder with a meh shooting attack.

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>>55246412
>30 models with 6+ save and 1 wound each
>bravery 7
>1 shot per model
>at 4+/4+
>only get +1 to hit if there are no enemies in melee
>once per game rend-3, rest of the game they are rend0
>only a 20" range
>zero synergy with the sylvaneth models in your army

Take a celestial hurricanum instead

>>55240346
>that conversion
>still mould lines everywhere and even an uncleaned sprue connection

How fucking hard is it to just scrape that shit off when you remove it from the sprue?

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>>55240346
>box of 6 Skullcrushers is 170AUD
>Lord of Khorne on Jugg 83
>MLoK is 70 with the Bloodsecrator you won't use, got to also get your hands on a spare Juggernaut
>Valkia 39

>1,042 kanga bangas for a 33 model list filled with multiples of the same sculpts

getting the barrow lords box, anyone have any good colour schemes that aren't just black and red? I'm thinking maybe black metal with faded yellow and greens

>>55240720
Jesus, what the fuck are those horses even doing? One of them looks like it's carefully hopping across a bed of hot coals or some shit, another is crashing face-first into the fucking ground and the last on is rearing away from whatever's in front of it as though it isn't a daemonic fucking horse that shouldn't be afraid of no shit.

>>55248428
>One of them looks like it's carefully hopping across a bed of hot coals or some shit,

You mean trotting elegantly. Or atleast trying.

>another is crashing face-first into the fucking ground

You mean biting someone's head off.

>and the last on is rearing away from whatever's in front of it as though it isn't a daemonic fucking horse that shouldn't be afraid of no shit.

You mean about to smash someone in front into a pile of gore.

>>55242195
This reminds me of when I played Armada with a friend.

>fielded Ackbar in a fully kitted out Home One
>found out how good it is with a stack of engineering points
>just regenerates shields as soon as I take them down
>plays this for like 3+ games straight
>sick of it, I make a super cheesy ISD list
>when I shoot, my admiral means I can roll a dice over to a blue
>blue means I can activate EMP and expend one of his defense tokens
>once a defense token is expended, this certain Destroyer means he can't use any other defense

>utterly destroy his cheesy Home One with my cheesy ISD of Doom
>may have ran it again a second time to rub it in
>he's visibly upset and sulking
>never ran Home One again

>>55248522
Yeah sure Redshirt, whatever you gotta say to sell those 100USD 170AUD pack of 3 models.

>>55242195
With the new rules, you can kit out a keeper of secrets to absolutely shred through the bravery of enemy units

AoS noob here who's still flicking through the book each time something shoots/fights

Are those warscroll cards worth the asking price of $25USD/$40 AUD?

I'm curious as to if they're actually of a decent enough card stock and printing that I can feel less ripped off about it!

>>55249096
Make your own using a magic card maker, or just download the AoS app

>>55245343
Did Skyre get nerfed? I honestly can't tell

>>55243655
Theoretically really good with a Plague furnace. Even if he kills 30 of them on the charge, the crack back and mortal wounds on 6's means you'll probably kill at least half the unit

>>55249096
There is an option on the app that says "my battle", so just add the units you are fighting with there and you will have a much easier time navigating

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Soon

>>55249244
Apparently I gotta buy the battletome again for the spells and artifacts and stuff in the app, do those come with the warscroll cards?

>>55236793
I used them for rat swarm bases.
Love the little guys in the robes.

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Which army is the most skillful to play?

>>55249954
Do you mean for Azyr?

>>55250013
A single grot with 1900 summoning points

>>55250042
Nah, for Disciples of Tzeentch, I play Daemons and wanted a reference for all the daemonic gifts, lore of change spells and all that too

>>55243709
I do like the warstone sparks, since you can use them for casting, weapons and damage.
Deranged Inventor and the + to bravery is pretty much wasted on skryre that is true though.
But I do like the Architect of Devastation (or what's it called) to buff my mortars. Shoot at a unit of 20 guys and use a spark to dial up the damage to 12 wounds. Delicious.

Only thing I'm not sure of is whether or not you have to use the spark before or after rolling for DX damage.

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>Face me evil bastard,
>Smell the hate of angels
>Glory, pride and bloodshed
>Cowards and beholders.

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>>55250524

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>>55250535
I will never not laugh at smiling Stormcasts

>>55250535
Would a smiling face be scarier? Your enemy isn't angry at you, he's laughing. If you kill him, you discover he died smiling instead of unhappy.

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>>55250535
I got more

>>55244964
you forgot Thanquol/ Boneripper and Skreech Verminking

>>55250524
>Go back to your abyss, Azyrheim will not fall
>But your heads will soon roll
>Taste the blade of heroes, fury of the thunder
>Hit my golden shield

>>55250535

I wish his belt to also smile.

Sooo I'm supposed to share buy the Blightwar set and get nurgle. I like nurgle and chaos gods in general but isnt nurgle tottaly cucked in this edition ?

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>>55250958
>>55250535
Done

>>55250073
I'd say you double the characteristic listed under damage. Which is why in my opinion you can't use sparks on warp fire throwers/projectors.

I think the sparks are pretty cool, since it's quite versatile and suits the fluff of Skryre. The traits are a bit of a let down, with very narrow applications. Same goes for the artifacts although maybe those can be used on units?

>>55251078
Why yes you double the characteristic. So no buff for flame throwers or cannons.
But the mortar deals D6 or 6 damage, depending on the size of the target unit.
And the question is whether or not I roll for the damage before I use the spark or after.
Rolling before seems more "fair" to your opponent, but if I wanted that I'd not be playing skryre anyway.

>>55251110
I'd say after rolling. It doesn't say you have to do it at the start of the shooting phase or before rolling to hit. I'd always do it before rolling for damage if needed though.

So at the -determine damage step- or something like that? It was one of the things I hoped they'd already include in the FAQ

>>55250524
With connecting Sigmarines and this song in my mind you make them nearly tolarable ...nearly

Can someone post a pic of the mixed Dwarf Sigmarites box that is bout to come out?

>>55251199
Blind Guardian - Soulforged also fits really well.

>>55251057
We should use this as the next OP picture

>>55251027
Nurgle is pretty decent, and you can include Rotbringers, Pestilens and Slaves to Darkness with the Nurgle Keyword, so you can still have the Nurgle alegence

>>55251406
Should probably remove the faceapp logo if that's the case.

>>55250958
How's your tracksuit fitting?

>>55239672
So maybe beastmen then?

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>>55251451
I gotchu senpai

>>55251649
Could have just merged the bottom left from the non-faceapped picture to the current one, saves cutting off part of the image then.

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>>55251223

When does spear of shadows release?

>>55251660
Still don't get why they put the duardin in Tempest's Eye and the corsair Aelves in Anvilgard.

>>55251677
I think it's almost certainly a mistake they didn't care enough to fix.

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>>55251657
>Merge the bottom left
>bottom left
>left

I gotchu senpai

>>55251697
please no stop bullying

>>55251677
It's a tease of the next Duardin faction, the Watyrslayers.

>>55239098
How bout a day of the dead-themed death army?

>>55240112
Mallus is not the old world, it's just the core.

>>55240120
Fuck off, they do not. All of the empire compendium stuff got name changes to remove references to wfb. That's all. The models are still discontinued.

>>55240675
>>55240733
Agreed, they have the problem with 40k at the moment, things are so fresh in AoS

>>55251790
Unfortunately they don't have the balls to End Times 40k. Not while it's still making 75% of their income.

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well if geedubs wont sell me Bretonnians I'll just have to make them myself

>>55251660
That's a pretty nice box wow

For me, is a buy

So I bought some Disciples of Tzeentch today, and I was curious about the rules revolving around missile/melee weapons as I'm new to AoS. If a unit has multiple missile or melee weapons listed, does it mean you have access to all of them and must select one at the beginning of every combat phase like WHFB's "Armed to da Teef"? Or does it mean you have to select one at the beginning of every game?

>>55251939
Knights of the Realm of Shyish. Every noble scion is taught basic necromancy in order to raise their own mount from the dead.

My local store is planning a path to glory campaign event. Is path to glory any good? Worth picking up the book in advance or just winging it?

>>55251977
They attack with all melee weapons they are armed with.

>>55251984
I'm fluffing them as the spirits from lileath's pocket dimension merging with the Mortal Realms and hijacking skeletons.
I'm still playing them as Death though, knights of the Realm as Black Knights, and Grail Knights as Blood Knights.

>>55252007
Thanks for the answer friend.

>>55252030
Np, I just want to clarify that a model is only armed with the models available to on their summary blurb.

So if the blurb says "Can be armed with sword or spear", then for the whole battle they are armed with one or the other", if there's an "and" instead of "or", then you can attack with both all the time.

>>55245979
>Can't take shields

Actually they can, its just that the models just don't physically accommodate that option.

>>55252039
Ah, so the Herald of Tzeentch of Foot has the option using either the Ritual Dagger or Staff of Change at the start of every combat?

>>55252109
You choose at the start of the entire battle which of the ritual dagger or staff of change to use, usually it's whatever you've modelled them with. They can't attack with the weapon they aren't armed with at any time in the battle.

If the blurb instead said:
> Herald of Tzeentch strikes out with a Staff of
Change AND Ritual Dagger

Then you could attack with both every combat phase.

It's very plain English, but that can be strange at times.

>>55252135
Got ya got ya, thanks. Does that mean Black Orcs (Ardboys) no longer have Armed to da Teef?

>>55252188
If it's not written it doesn't exist. It's best to take the warscrolls at face value without any context from WHFB, like I said plain english.

>>55252213
Ah, okay, will do, and thank you.

>>55251939
Cool

>>55252226
Happy to help, if you're ever in doubt about weapon options just read the summary text in the warscroll, it tells you everything they can use.

>>55251660
Is there a pic of the elf one?

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>>55252524
>warhammer community
Gee, I wonder...

>>55252596
>>55251660
How much do you think they'll cost?

I'm saying around 80€

>>55252631
anything less than 100€ is too low for GW standards

>>55252631
€130 has been tossed around on occasion.

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>>55252596
>>55251660

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Just got pic related. How fucked I am?