Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

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First for scions

>Come back on Tuesday, when we’ll be diving into some of the Stratagems, Relics and Warlord Traits that make [the death guard] army tick.
Is it Tuesday yet?

How about now?

What is the most colorful army I can possibly paint

>>55218003
>Stratagems, Relics and Warlord Traits
Reroll DR, Reroll DR of 1 within 7", +1 to DR within 7".

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>>55218000
I also play scions

>>55218016
harlequins

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Sisters a QT !

>>55218016
Harlequins, Orks, Noise marines and Tzee... just kididng nurgle daemons.

>>55218003
I'm a newfriend and want to get into TT with the Death Guard. I hope they will be fun, because I always liked their fluff.

>>55218022
-1 to hit, Reroll DR of 1, +1 Toughness within 7"

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>>55218022
probably exactly this
>>55218000
I had a burst of inspiration once and came very close to getting like 3 SC! Scions boxes but I decided that money would be better spent elsewhere
which ended up being energy drinks, cat food and Orks. Lots of Orks.

>>55218056
> but I decided that money would be better spent elsewhere

Don't worry, after the scions i decided to start GSC to mix with scions and earthshaker spam, then after ordering most of the army and building 32 genestealers and a broodlord i switched to ordo malleus as my next army

The manager at my LGS wasn't amused when i traded in 4 earthshakers and 3 regimental advisor boxes that only just arrived for me for a load of grey knight stuff

>>55217961
what are special about admech knights?

we get cool weapon choices? dual gunz?

Are all FW toys considered WAAC tier? Because I'm not sure if I should bring my Raptor to the table.

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>>55218090
sometimes the LGS manager guilt trips me by giving me a disappointed sigh when I hoard stuff he knows I wont use

>>55218090
> traded
LGS owner confirmed for cuck. Should have made your bitch ass pay. Store will be dead within 2 years.

>>55218111
Even if they aren't, which most of it isn't, the first thing the opponent will latch onto as an excuse for losing is the FW involvement
because bad players work like that

>>55218111
not all of them, but some are definitly waac tier.

>>55218116
Mine wouldn't do that at the moment, he has a £10k sales target this month and his shop can barely hold 2 tables, its so small

>>55218120
he's actually done the best growth for that store out of any other manager and has done so for like 15 or 16 months

probably would be even higher if i stopped trading stuff in :^)

>>55218111
if the vendetta is waac then i couldnt imagine shit tier

>>55218022
> S 8, T 7
> instead of S 7, T 8
Wtf GW. The canon toughest Primarch is only as tough as a fucking rhino. And a 3+ armour save? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
WHY NO 14 WOUNDS, T 8 GW?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55218103
Cool looking but sub-par weapons in a expensive sub-par material

Are all Warhammer store employees either greasy fat nerds or lanky scrawny nerds?
It's true for mine at least.

>>55218177
Yup. Does this... surprise (You)? Or something?..

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>>55218186

>>55218111
Fire or Veloci?

da fuck is it?
https://geekdad.com/2017/08/games-workshop-representation/

>>55218186
Yes, because all the player photos in my rulebook are with chads

>>55218200
why do you keep posting this everyday you mong

>>55218224
because he wants some (you)`s and attention

>>55218200
Please stop posting this fucking thing

>>55218224
Why do you keep replying to it?

>>55218177
the one store we have used to be staffed with local interns
now its staffed by just the manager who is an english guy who GW must have imported, guy looks like someone you'd see drinking guinness at a bar in a crime drama

>>55218242
I've not replied to him once before this so you tell me

>>55218198
Fire

>>55218224
>>55218238
I see this first time, sorry guys

How do I make my admech doods British themed?

>>55218163
Because DR already makes him almost unstoppable since it basically gives him W27. Also, why the hell are you whining about your snowflake Primarch not being literally invincible? It's not a sworn right of all Space Marine players to have some broken Primarch lord of war, and we don't even know Morty's attack capabilities yet.
All the other armies make do fine without one.

>>55218000
Why not just dark eldar? They do the same thing, faster...

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>>55218204
...why...do (You) keep photos of dudes in your rulebook anon?
Is there something you would like to tell us?
WHY don't you take a seat.

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Relictors anon from a couple of threads back here. I talked myself into picking up the Calth boxed set on the way home, models per $ it was just too good to pass up, though two space marine battleforces (the old one with a normal captain, 10 tacs and a regular dread) came close to swaying me.

I figure I'm going to mix in lots of MkVII heads with the armor to make a bit less Horus Heresyish; fluffwise I can rationalise it as after they went off the reservation the Relictors snagged a bunch of old/relic gear along with some locked down Daemon stuff to keep themselves in fighting shape. Plus the Dark Apostle model will make a great body for a Relictor Captain.

I'm thinking of mixing the squads together along with other bits and pieces I have to run Vet Squads with lots of combi weapons; presumably any Relictors that have survived this long are Vets after all, I doubt they're recruiting many new ones. With them, the Contemptor and the Terminators I should have a fun little Vanguard force.

Any recommendations on Contemptor/Cataphract Terminator/Vet Squad load outs?

>get really excited for Konor
>make sure to show up for some games
>paint a squad of termies week 2
>paint rhino week 3
>lose motivation
>havent painted, assembled, or played in 3 weeks
>darkness sets in

Pls help

>>55218284
Names, conversions and paintjobs.

>>55218284
Paint robes as yuge Union Jacks

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>>55218301
> y no 14 dat multiple of SACRED NUMBER
> only T7 dat what he was in Heresy tho
ALSO
> ass blasted xeno player detected!

>>55218284
What kind of British theme? Because there's a lot of ways you could go about that. Get an aegis line, convert them with pith helmets instead of sallets and hoods and go for the Zulu look, although there's already Guardsmen who do that better.

Alternatively, have a poke in the HH black books for "Albia", which is the the 30/40k equivalent of Britain, and use stuff from there. They have the usual English and Welsh names, "Power Gladius" blades you could give your Magi and apparently used to have Fallout-style dieselpunk proto-Marines and artillery crawlers, basically Dunecrawlers on some variant of tracks.
Personally I like that more than just nicking the flag and the stereotypical military tropes.

>>55218284
Replace hoods with them hats from Zulu. The rifles look pretty old fashioned already.

>>55218103
I'm assuming that Knights in general are just being rolled in to the Ad Mech codex

>>55218315

Take a few weeks off

>>55218163
Nigger 24 PL. He's more expensive in Power Level than fucking Magnus. MAGNUS THE fucking RED.

He's going to be ultra retarded powerful and /tg/ will be screaming for nerfs or banning character (even more than they are now) from MP because of him.

>>55218353
I wanted to fluff them as having a British inspired backstory. I want to do right and am having trouble figuring it out.

Also I'll need an appropriate name for my magos.

>>55218284
Go full cogfop, top hats, pith helmets, a lot of the heads have monocle style lenses, red and white and gold, put gatling guns and vacuum tubes on stuff.

Buy a Kharadron blimp from AoS, count it as a Marauder or something. Use m'lady cyberdwarf guy as your Dominus.

>>55218304
better armor
better shooty
can take bullgryns
can take earthshakers
can take underpriced tauroxes
can take scout bikes
obsec troops can deepstrike and still move + advance
look better

>>55218362
I just did... I haven't done anything 4k related in like 3 weeks

>>55218378
> thinking that 'Mortal Wounds' Magnus won't get a price and power level hike in the new TS book
Look at this dumb nigga right here

>>55218304
Retard

They do the opposite thing, harder

>>55218284
Give them burqas. Take away their guns and replace it with assault spoons.

>>55218450
gulliman didn't get a points hike despite being stupidly undercosted for his buffs, why would magnus

>>55218163
>Muh dude is only as tough as a 150 ton space tractor!! ITS NOT ENOUGH

>>55218450
>AOE Fight-Phase Smite that doesn't suffer DTW or PotW + Smite + -1 Toughness
Mortarion is going to be fucking retarded, nigger.

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My first ever attempt at a looted Viehicle for my new orks.

>>55218494

Make it your last

Loljk it's gonna look great once painted

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>>55218494

Shot of the otherside.

>>55218494
I've seen a lot worse.

>>55218425
>look better
>laughing wychs.jpg

>>55218499
>>55218505

Thanks! It's just cobbled together from scrap from my bitzbox. I have virtually no Ork bitz but when I get some I'll add some ork glyphs.

>>55218447
You got burned out. Sell your army and go play videogames for a few years, then try again.

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>>55218527
>wyches
>look good

are you like a crazy person?

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Some Ork Jetbikes I made (really not impressed by warbikers, but I got some second hand so I "Upgraded" them into counts as deffkopta Jetbikes).

Still WIP, need to clean mold lines.

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>>55218570

This one is probably my favorite. I plan to drill holes in the bottom to mount them on flying stands at odd angles.

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>>55218528

>>55218582
If you don't have at least one of them flying upside-down, then you is just mukkin' about.

>>55218397
Can't help with names since I'm utterly terrible at those, but you could always steal the Lorenz story and have them as a group of hotshot codebreakers with dangerously heretical cogitator tech. I've always liked that one. William Tutte and Thomas Flowers don't really work for Magi, though.

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Is there anyone interested in selling their 8th Edition Space Marine codex? I live in Sweden so I would prefer if the shipping cost didn't raise the total price above GW. You can add me on Steam, Pepe with the dabbing Pepe as the avatar.

>>55218646
why not just download the codex in the OP links

>>55218646

epic meme bro, are you from /pol/ or reddit?

>>55218658
Because I want a copy that I can bring with me, no doutbt the idea of meeting people is revolting to you. Mean jokes aside, I need to be able to bring it to GW stores.

>>55218698
download the epub and put on your phone and just say you got it from black library

>>55218631

next batch. these ones are test models. Plan to have as many deffkoptas as I can.

>new guy starts playing
>been about a month
>has 1500pts
>mostly painted
>be me
>playing over 10 years
>first army isn't fully painted
>second army doesn't even have a full squad painted
>depression sets in
Fuck. I don't get it.

>>55218771
>playing over 10 years
>first army isn't fully painted

how the fuck don't you get it, you are a lazy cunt you can paint a tabletop standard for 2000 points in 2 days easily

>>55218643
Thanks my man. I really like this idea.

>>55218771
>he's actually into playing the game and not just using it as an excuse to play with his painted toys

Set a schedule where you paint one or two minis per week.

>>55218781
Not everyone plays tyranids or necrons, anon.

>>55218790
3 colours, 2 washes, a base and a drybrush is not hard

been playing just over a year and i have 2 fully painted armies, bought my 3rd army over the last 2 weeks and will probably have them painted by the end of the month because i'm busy

>>55218781
Most of it is painted, but it takes me hours to paint just one dude.

>>55218784
That's been about my schedule, but the. I just get discouraged at how long it takes.

>>55218808
Yea, my dudes end up with a lot more than that, man.

>>55218808
What armies do you play then ?

>>55218310
Well, plasma is the go to. I enjoy Company Vets with Storm Shields and special weapons, tanky. If you're doing just Sternguard though you're honestly best off sticking to all Special Issue Bolters. Look into some FW stuff maybe for support things. I really like Rapier Batteries and for a ravaged squad that goes after Relics, having some of those might make sense, as they require less manpower than Devestators.

>>55218808
Some people don't like to squat over their army and open their bowels on it, anon. Some like to take time and paint them to look amazing. Different strokes.

>>55218177
No?

I'm recently Ex-British army. Working at GW to do a job I want to do whilst I try to get into the police.

>>55218870
You working at Staines GW, anon?

>>55218870
Nope

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>>55218841
>but it takes me hours to paint just one dude.

same here, you just lack motivation

>Yea, my dudes end up with a lot more than that, man.

again same here, but get your army up to a basic standard then improve on them over time, the biggest painting block i find is knowing you just spent a load of time on 1 model and you have tonnes to go

>>55218842
Tau, Scions, GSC (dropped painting atm for GK), GK

>>55218863
pic related, wow they look so bad don't they :^)

>>55218204
We're talking about the players, not the Primaris Marines anon.

>>55218016
harlequins or tzeentch deamons.

>>55218111
Fire Raptor is pretty WAAC but if it's the only dangerous thing in a tame list I doubt anyone would care. Fire Raptor backed up by multiple Stormravens and Guilliman supporting 120 Conscripts? Well it's not like the Fire Raptor was the problem to begin with.

>>55218884
>>55218890
Fkin box doing it's own thing.

But nope, not me.

>>55218863
>Some like to take time and paint them to look amazing

>10 Years

>>55218896
>a blurry pic of white models
wow that sure showed me!

You guys have any secret bitz sites you use? I realize I have alot of leftover heads and arms for scions but everyone Ive looked is sold out of complete bodies or legs. Primes being separate units has forced me to run either not enough specials or not enough hotshots in not enough basic troop squads.
Thanks!

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>>55218912
here you go then, a close up of the knight i use with the scions

>>55218896
scions take quite a bit to paint at least for me

>>55218913
there's a local bits trade/sell facebook group for the city I live in.
try searching for something like that in your local.

>>55218896
>no highlights
>99% of models just white primer and black line wash

Sasuga shasla

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>>55218930
aye mine are about 22-25 colours

pics are shit because i cant really hold a camera, but i'm at work so can't get any better ones

>>55218936
It's not white primer, thats ulthuan built up from black

>>55218896
>stormsurge
>2 riptides (one of them a FW variant)
>3 ghostkeels
>no fire warriors whatsoever
7th edition tau armies were disgusting.

>>55218962
You really couldn't come up with another pose for your Tempestor Primes?

Kinda sucks dude

>>55218936
>don't know shit about painting
>talk shit like a cunt

No suprise. Fuck off jamal.

>>55218962
didnt give them the servo skulls either

>>55218103
We don't know yet, nigger, why do people keep asking. The Codex doesn't even have a release date beyond "after Death Guard".

>>55218975
Next shelf up has 20 breachers and 2 devilfish

Yea 7th tau was bullshit but that stormsurge was only fielded once and it was in 8th edition and the non FW riptide was never fielded

the only real tau bullshit in my list in 7th was triple ghostkeel OSC for that sweet BS5, plus shadowsun taking those plasma suits for stealth shrouded and 3d6" JSJ, i didnt even field markerlights

>>55218982
I built and painted those at the hotel when i went to NWO, they are like 8 colours and i really need to redo them (and 4 of the tauroxes)

>>55218994
yeah because the servo skulls look shit

>>55218926
drill that fucking stubber Anon

>>55219018
already done after i based it

>>55218901
I don't think its that WAAC, it's fairly well priced for what it brings to the table.

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>>55218200
Mankind was a fucking mistake. Half the points in this are completely idiotic from the standpoint of a miniatures company.

>Let's make a while new range of guys that are exactly the same as our normal dudes except give them squinted eyes
>it'll cost tens of thousands to produce, wrote, market, and ship out but I'm sure the public will appreciate our Not! Asain minis!

I wish my generation was dead

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Stormboyz seem kinda pointless when you need to have characters hump blobs of infantry to have an effect
I really like how they look though, its a landmark improvement from just being boyz with metal rocket bitz glued to their backs
Think I have some of those lying around still

>>55219018
not that guy but do you know any drill sets for small arms like las guns

>>55219045
wish I could tell you but I actually don't know what size lasgun barrels are
I don't have any guardsmen lying about

>>55219045
you can get a cheap as shit handdrill set on ebay with miniscule drill bits

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>>55219055
>>55219057
On one occasion i tryed getting one at home depot but guess it was just the wrong place ill

Check It Out!

>>55218528
Good conversion, glad to see you have the right idea when it comes to conversions, too many fellow Ork players using toy trucks, dinosaurs, and mr. Potatoheads

>>55219072
I just have the army painter drill I got from a bigger tool kit
supposedly the citadel drill comes with lasgun sized drill bit but ebay drills ought to be much cheaper

>>55219089
From G-dubs?

>>55218844
Yeah, Plasma seems pretty safe, especially if they stick with a captain.

Probably not going to do Sternguard, I'm thinking a mix of Company Vets and Vanguard Vets, I'm not especially impressed by the Sternguard guns.

>>55219104
citadel = gdubs

>>55219039
Warboss or Painboy on Bike can hump it with them, or Zagstruk

>>55219039
What characters do you think Stormboyz need to be effective?
I don't think large groups of Boyz that can move enormous distances and hop right over terrain need much help

>>55219121
hmmk

>>55219151
not him but zagstruk makes them great

tau codex where

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>>55219180
in ur butt

>>55219173
say, since Zagstruk's Vulcha's Klaws says that you can only do 2 attacks with it, do you still get to do the other 4 (+1 choppa) attacks or do you basically trade all your attacks for the extra 'urt?

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>>55219180

>>55219207
you still get the other attacks, it just stops you having shit loads of powerful attacks on him for his cost

>>55218200
SJW Pussy.

Yet all the black people I know only paint their models black. Fucking racists. right?

Or maybe it's because people paint what they want. Not GW fault not enough "people of colour" play. Ask the blacks why they don't.

why all the tau hate

>>55219076

In true deffskull fashion I am just looting my old models to make all my trukks, wagons and other vehicles.

Can units in the same detachment have different <chapter> or <regiment> or <clan> keywords
in the sense that for example, I could have a detachment with a unit of black templar marines, ultrasmurf marines and dangle marines and each with characters buffing that specific chapter? or do they need to be in separate detachments
>inb4 reed da roolz u mong

>>55219304
probably because in 7th they had some of the best formations and in 8th they are obnoxious with commander + drone spam

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>>55219324
reed da roolz u mong

Yes, but you miss out on chapter tactics

>>55219324
Yes, although you can lose out on chapter traits, stratagems and relics by doing so.

>>55219109
They're better than you think, simply because they've got the range, plus they have the Sternguard specific Strategem. Warlord with the "increase AP by 1 when you roll a 6" is nice cus you use the strategem and it'll proc on 5 or 6, meaning fair chance for AP3 shots.

Either way, Company Vets with Storm Shields is actually pretty nice too, and shockingly cheap. Them with Storm Bolters puts out an impressive volume of fire and is fairly survivable.

Do the dudes in a fortification get to overwatch or just the fortification?

I remember it being mentioned in one of the pre-8th Primaris articles that Cawl managed to fix all the geneseed defects in the chads. Is this mentioned anywhere in the Codex? I can't seem to find anything about it.

>>55219390
jsut the fortification

>>55218465
> thinking GW will nerf the poster boy of the main faction
Look at this dumb nigga right here

>>55218464
> burqas
> assault spoons
> next make their chimeras look like cans and ram people with them
Fucking disgusting, distasteful KEK

>>55219354
Do miss out on chapter tactics, you don't miss out on strategems or relics. It's still a Space Marine army, thus could take the relics, and strategems can be used regardless. Grey Knights can use Strategems from the Space Marine Codex, for example, if they've got the same units to do so.

>>55219399
What I thought. Dude didn't charge his Carnifex in last game because a few flamers lived there and I didn't know if he knew something I didn't.
They CAN still fuck up whatever is in combat with it though, right?

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>>55218284
> Drookian Fen Guard
https://victoriaminiatures.com/collections/regiments-of-the-galaxys-finest/products/highland-moss-guard-universal-10-man-squad

>>55219434
>They CAN still fuck up whatever is in combat with it though, right?

unless it says they can on the fortification rules then no

>>55218464
Their Chimeras should be vans like the Ford Transit Custom or a Fiat Doblo.

>>55219397
It's in the dark imperium book. And he didn't totally fix them. He says who some of the strangeness is JUST AS PLANNED by the Emperor, so he didn't fuck with it

>>55219452
how would defects be just as planned
>hey I know I gave brother Decius fucking leukemia but its a part of my plan

>>55218771
Who cares?

It's a game not a dick waving competition. You clearly enjoy painting miniatures more slowly and that's fine. Your opponent is either just faster or batch paints /airbrushes stuff out which is fine too. It doesn't matter either way.

The warhammer community has some really messed up guilt amd shaming issues in regards to painting that make so little sense.

>>55219452
Did he cure the Red Thirst/Black Rage or will we have to wait for the BA Codex to find out? I want big boy Death Company.

>>55219447
Well it does say that friendly units can target enemies within 1" of it. I assume that extends to the guys inside too?

>>55219472
>The warhammer community has some really messed up guilt amd shaming issues in regards to painting that make so little sense.
I bet you actually accept games from grey tide, don't you?

>>55219472
Never 5get RGG

>>55219481
yep, that would do it

So if Lion el Homo and Angron are the next Primarch duo, who's next? Rogal Dorn and Fulgrim?

>>55219493
Not him, but I probably wouldn't 2bh, although I've never had the need to

Am I to understand that if a unit is receiving a 'reroll hit rolls of 1' buff and tries to hit something that cause -1 to anything trying to hit them, then that unit can reroll natural dice rolls of 1 AND 2?

>>55219468
He made Magnus and his legion become super psykers so they could map the webway and power the portal and fight daemons. He made Space Wolves have canine-like features so they would be utterly loyal to the Emperor in the event they are ordered to do morally-questionable things (they were). Blood Angels were programmed to be aggressive just in case the other aggressive dudes betrayed the Emperor. The Black Rage is not of the Emperor's making and is not a corruption of geneseed.

The Emperor planned well in advance of the GC that he might be betrayed by one or more of his Primarchs. Magnus's fuckup was the ONLY thing that the Emperor had not planned for.

>>55218378
A wraithknight costs more than Magnus and is pretty bad

>>55219526
no, you do the hit rolls and rerolls first, then apply the -1 after

>>55219517
Sweet. Shame about the Overwatch but sounds like I'll still make my token Garrison force a special team with three flamers.
>Yeah buddy, come autohit my walls! Fair warning though, you're getting lit the fuck up after!

How does this look for 2000pts?

Spearhead detachment - Space Marines - Ultramarines

>HQ
Captain
Master crafter Boltgun, Powerfist, The Sanctic Halo, Warlord-Storm of Fire

Liutenant
Bolt Pistol, Power Maul

>Heavy Support
Devastator Squad
Sergeant, 4 Boltgun Marines, 3 Heavy Bolter Marines

Devastator Squad
Sergeant, 4 Boltgun Marines, 3 Heavy Bolter Marines

Devastator Squad
Sergeant, 4 Boltgun Marines, 3 Heavy Bolter Marines

Imperial Guard Battalion

>HQ
Company Commander
Chainsword, Laspistol

Company Commander
Chainsword, Laspistol

>Elites
Commissar
Boltgun

Commissar
Boltgun

Seargeant Harker

>Troops
Conscripts
50 Conscripts

Conscripts
50 Conscripts

Tempestus Scions
Sergeant, 2 Scions, 2 Scions with Plasma Guns

>Heavy Support
Basilisks
3 basilisks with heavy bolter

Basilisks
3 basilisks with heavy bolter

Earthshaker Battery
3 Earthshaker Platforms

Basilisks and Earthskaers castle around Harker.Warlord, liutenant and devastators blob around somewhere with LOS up in front and power fire at things, Conscript blobs form living wall, scions deepstrike and hose something.

>>55219526
Official rules say you can't
But those rules are complete ass, and majority of people will let you do it

>>55219526
no
rerolls come before modifiers
example, if you have a power fist and have, say Rowboat nearby and you roll a 3 to hit
Normally thats a hit but the power fist will make you miss
However; because of the order that rerolls come first and modifiers second, you dont get to reroll hits of 3 because they count as hits before the fist modifier comes in

>>55219539
Looks fine if you want to be a waacfag

>>55219422
I thought the inclusion of Dangles prevented you getting stratagems, as they don't meet the criteria for a Space Marine Detachment (pic related). Relics do only depend on who the warlord is though.

Dunno about grey knights, haven't bothered downloading their codex.

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>>55219548
Dagnabit.

>>55219422
>Grey Knights can use Strategems from the Space Marine Codex

citation fucking needed

>>55219539
Anon I....

>>55219542
>cheating
typical waacfags

>>55219558
>Friendly games
Get the stick out of your ass, anon

>>55219555
In the SM codex it specifically excludes DA/ SW and BA from using SM tacits and shit, but not GK.

>>55219472
>The warhammer community has some really messed up guilt amd shaming issues in regards to painting that make so little sense.

Because a painted army shows you give a shit about the hobby and your opponent's experience too. Not painting kit you bought like 2 months ago is kinda bad/lazy but fair enough if you're slow.

Somehow failing to paint one army in TEN years (Which is so ridiculous sounding i honestly don't believe him) is fucking shameful and you know it

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Rough list for Team Skull here; trying for a mix of fluffy + units I think are neat and have always wanted to use.

1500 point total

Vanguard Detachment

Captain with Combi Plasma and Teeth of Terra
Librarian with Force Sword
Contemptor Dread with Assault Cannon and CCW
Devastator Squad x 5 with Heavy Bolters
Devastator Squad x 5 with 2 Lascannons and 2 Missile Launchers
Cataphractic Terminators x 5 with Lightning Claws
Company Champion with Master Crafter Power Sword and Bolt Pistol
Sternguard x 6

Vanguard Detachment

Inquisitor with Force Sword and Combi Plasma
Eversor Assassin
Legion of the Damned x 5 with Melta Gun and Multimelta
Legion of the Damned x 5 with Melta Gun and Multimelta


First detachment is a 999 points and the second is a bit under 500 which is nice so I can break them down for smaller games.

Thinking of swapping the Lascannons/Missile Launchers for Plasma Cannons, or dropping one or both Dev squads for more Vets of the Company or Vanguard variety, any thoughts? Also, Teeth of Terra or Burning Blade for the Captain?

Probably Ultramarines for Chapter Tactics for the Marine detachment because thats the Relictor progenitor (mixed with Dark Angels???).

>>55219566
it says such as, but you do have a point, cant see it surviving any FAQ though and barely any apply to GK

>>55218163
nigga takes 48 BS3+ lascannon/krak/lance/etc shots to die.

he's fine at that toughness and armor

Hey 40kg, what's the tournament ruling on base sizes? I've been out of the game for a while. I really dislike oval bases, and was considering using circle bases for certain models.

>>55219599
you use the base provided for the model, anything else is modelling for advantage

>>55219578
An Aquila Strongpoint takes 1,080 lasguns to kill and that's not worth the points.

>>55219599
It really doesn't make to much of a difference, but with saying that, i'd avoid not using correct base size.

nothing sucks more than watching a person sperg out during a timed tournament.

>>55219604
wouldn't using bigger bases put you at a disadvantage

>>55219576
Nah, look at >>55219553

Pretty clear what keywords are included there. Grey Knights are clearly not. They don't have <CHAPTER>.

>>55219556
>Anon I....
What?

>>55219611
How in any way are they comparable to Mortarion lmfao god you're fucking retarded

>>55219611
one of these two can fly around turning niggers into green slosh
and its not the well endowed eagle

>>55219616
no, its probably one of the most powerful things you can do right now

mortar teams are currently one of the best screening units for imperium, because the large bases on 3 models gives them a massive area of deepstrike denial

>>55219611
This isn't about wheter he is WORTH taking, but about how tough he is on the tabletop in respect to fluff.

also morty takes 1297 BS4+ lasgun shots to die.

>>55219627
Because they're big both useless pont sinks that'll be solo'd by a Carnifex or two you chaoscuck : ^ )

>>55219578
Autocannon equivelants are much more efficient at killing a T6 with 2+/3++

>>55219644
>Morty isn't even out yet
>h-he's useless
NPC player shitter shattered his afterthought army will never get strong characters like Morty or Girlyman LOL

>>55219604
>>55219613
I see. I'll just avoid using those units then. Thanks for the quick answers!

>>55219653
takes 73 BS3+ autocannon shots to kill morty

Take that as you will, i don't have time to run a wound per point analyze for every army.

>>55219644
>solo'd by a Carnifex or two

using a manreaper as a stand in for silence, we don't know what crazy bullshit that weapon does but we can assume its ATLEAST as good as a man reaper.

Morty will instagib 1.6 carnifexes a fight phase without counting his bullshit aura on average.

>>55219697
A Marauder Destroyer will take him out in three turns of sustained fire, does 6.11 wounds with all the guns not factoring in a bombing run.

20 Fulgurites will take 12.24 wounds off him, not factoring in Lantern overwatch but factoring the MWound aura.
Those will probably be my method for taking him down, since Dunecrawlers and Kastelans only do one or two wounds.

>>55219635
how about when your model wouldnt fit neatly on the base provided (Nobz 25mm) and you put them on a more suiting one (32mm) instead

>>55219752
it has no exceptions

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Hey /tg/, how good are these guys?
I'm thinking about starting a Space Marine army and want to put some shooty Terminators into the list. Are these guys a good option for that? I love their aesthetic, but I'm not sure how good they are compared to normal Terminators or Cataphractii.
Also, what would be the best shooty loadout for these dudes? Are they worth putting in a Land Raider?

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Can't wait to see what the other armies will get to compete with Primarchs obscenely strong presence on the table

inb4 nothing

>>55219761
so even when GW themselves are moving old minis from the shitty old 25mm to the more suiting 32mm, you reject

>>55219762
I like the sarge but otherwise I prefer the cataphractii look

>>55219766
Us Ork players cross our fingers for a beastly Ghazghkull rework

>>55219772
GW moving them isnt the same as someone deciding to base swap you retard, thats an entirely different scenario

>>55219791
I just want a good plastic warboss kit, with clan options

>>55219730
Sounds like a plan, id hope the marauder would eventually desroy him, they are the same points cost.

by my count you would need 109 fulgurite attacks to kill morty

>>55219784
I like the way they look more like the normal "bulldog" Terminators, but that kit is way to old and looks kinda shit, while the Tartaros kit captures that look very well imo

>>55219806
>roughly the same points cost.

>>55219811
They're a bit.. egg-y for my tastes
the sideways plasma gun is sexy as fuck though

>>55219819
It's a matter of personal taste, of course.
I was more interested if anybody knows how they fare on the tabletop

>>55219830
I've never actually seen or heard of anyone fielding them so you'll have to try yourself it seems

>>55219766
I think I'd prefer that some armies (Dark Eldar for instance) get top tier units rather than named characters. Let them be comparable in power level and impact, I just don't like herohammer that much and don't feel like every force is appropriate for it.

I asked this last night and got some good responses, but I will try again.
>1k pt campaign at flgs
>no named characters, and no forgeworld
>no list changing after submission
>I have CSM and everyone else is ork, nids or IG
I am not seeing how I can counter them with these restrictions

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>>55219880
Berserkers seem like they'd be good at chewing through those hordes

Poxwalkers if you want to have your blob of infantry fight it out with theres maybe?

>>55219880
You have got to be able to put a list together with that new codex that can annihilate hordes....

>>55219880
Noise marines and predators

>>55219880
slanesh alpha legion obliterators with a lord deepstriking, use cacopheny on one of them

follow up with zerkers and a prince

>>55219891
No typhus means pox are crazy squishy

>>55219900
>>55219895
I will look into noise marines, but my current set up is alpha legion and dg with some berzerkers coming next week

>>55219806
I think your maths on the fulgurites might be a little off.

Full blob of 20 charge with the melee Canticle active, take 2/3 of a wound from Plague Aura.

3.33 cut to 2.22 wounds from Hammer of Wrath.

38.66 attacks on average, hit 28/36 with 3+ R1 for 30.07 hits.

1/6 of those do D3 mortals for 10.02 mortals cut to 6.68 after DR.

1/6 of those wound normally, and 4++ cancels out average damage D2 so they only do 3.34 wounds.
Add 'em up for 12.24, or 6.33 per charging Priest.

One attack will on average do 0.216 wounds, so you'd need 83.31 attacks or 41.65 priests fighting straight up to kill him. The Mortal Wounds from Hammer of Wrath are pretty critical to their damage here, more so than against Guilliman or Magnus.

As for the Marauder, the problem will be keeping him from meleeing it to death handily Turn 2 since he almost certainly has FLY and it needs to move. He'll be a whole-army threat when deployed centre board, I need to pray he's on a flank and might not be able to charge before I get some teeth into him though Turn 2.

I honestly can't make up my mind... Chimeras or Taurox for Guard Vets?

>>55219949
both. all autocannns and assault cannons

>>55219932
Oops, should be 0.64 per Priest, missed the decimal point and the fact I've already lost 2/3 of a guy. Mortarion is a beast.

>>55219625
Yes, but stratagems aren't IN that section, their in their own section, on stratagems. The stratagem merely requires the unit targeted have certain qualities, but anyone can use them.

During one of the previews, they even specifically noted that they can use them.

>>55219949
Chimeras just because the Taurox looks retarded.

>>55219962
>assault cannons
Que?

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>>55219971
Jus' needz da roight touch Boss

>>55219975
cant Taurox take AssCans? Maybe im retarded

>>55218000

>3 monopose officers all with the same helmets and pointy stik

autism unleashed

>>55219990
see
>>55219006

>>55219984
Taurox Primes can take Taurox Gatling Guns, which aren't the same.

That said, Taurox is flat out the better choice, with two autocannons for cheaper. Only thing comparable are some variant Chimeras, like the one with twin-linked hb in the turret, so you get three per vehicle, and even then its questionable.

I solve it by just taking Chimeras and mounting an autocannon in the hull and turret and counts-as Taurox.

>>55219927
Chosen with Flamers (maybe Combi-Flamers,) infiltrate and burn them out that way can work too. You'll be smaller, so almost certainly will go first.

Chosen with Combi-Bolters or a 20-man CSM squad actually aren't bad either. Infiltrate them, pop the stratagem that lets them reroll all failed hits and wounds for a round and then use Cacophony on them. 80 bolter shots that reroll hit and wound will tear through stuff.

>>55220002
Chimera are musttake if you want to cart an officer with them too

>>55219762
If you're shooting, not so much, though their options are somewhat limited, but they get the nice Reaper Autocannon, which is, well, nice.

I agree, they're stylish as fuck, though.

>>55220040
True. Shame there is no Command Vehicle anymore.

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Would a battlewagon look decent if I just took the quick way out: rattlecan it red and then shade + add metal-y scratches
I loathe painting big things

>>55220038
>You'll be smaller, so almost certainly will go first.
Not how it works anymore fuckboi

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>>55218284
No Admech, but it might gives you an idea...

>>55218177
My local GW is run by the apex anti-nerd, he is like 6'5, grew up playing football, worked on an oil rig for a good while and is one of the most socially active people around.

>>55219762

How tall are these next to primaris Space Marines?

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Whats the best loadout and use for these guys?

>>55220070
command vehicle has rules, just convert a chimera full into one

>>55220078
>>55220078
rattlecan it, shade it, pick out a few panels on each side and paint them black (some checkered imo), pick out one or two panel on each side and paint it a metallic, done

>>55220112
They are terminator sized, so smaller.

>>55219880
>Dakka predators with kill point stratagem
>Cultist spam
>Iron warriors DP wings talons and fleshmetal exoskeleton
>Obliterator spam
>Berserker horde in double combi rhinos
>Plasma havoc's with re-roll buffs
>Relic Sicarans


Are you even trying?

>>55220123
Sauce or stop lying

>>55220115
Chaos Terminators, since they both dont have gimped movement and have access to the move-twice power. As loyalists? Not much, maybe some combiweapon anvils in a termicide list, but they're outshone by the other variants. Tough and shooty is a very, very small niche, as other terminators are stuck at either 3++ with TH/SS or 5++ otherwise.

>>55219815

They are about the same cost, what's the problem with that?

>>55220123
No, I mean, used to be you could send orders with the officer inside.

>>55220115
You CAN use them as melee but... I mean, they're so slow.

>>55220201
ah fair enough

>>55220140

>termies arent even the same height

I might as well just get rid of all my old models...

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If you were gonna run only Primaris stuff and like, dreads/tanks/flyers alongside them, what would be the best chapter for it?

>>55220157
Relic Sicarans would be FW, so those are out.

That said, you'd be better off going Slaaneshi DP with wings, talons, Elixir, and Diabolic Strength. Potentially also enough points to summon a Herald to get you the fight twice power Slaanesh has.

If he's AL, forego the rhino for Berzerkers and go one 20 man blob, back up with an apostle and, if possible, Exalted champ. Infiltrate all three, slam it into the enemy line turn 1.

>>55220212
>t.insecure manlet

>>55220207
>>55220201
12" FROM the hull even

>>55220226
manlets, when will they learn

>>55220226

> having an inconsistent looking Army
> dudes in power armor being larger than ones in Terminator armor

It would look terrible.

>>55219493
Only sheer autists care about playing against grey tide. It literally makes no difference what so ever.

It's like getting upset and not playing someone at chess because they didn't hand carve their own pieces out of ivory.

>>55220219
smurfs obviously
of course, if you have even an ounce of self respect you'll use something else

>>55220219
Raven Guard benefit the most in a lot of ways, as Intercessors can rapid fire at 15, or you could give them Stalkers and pink for days. Also allows you to infiltrate Hellblasters where they should be.

Relic Predators with Plasma Annihilators look good alongside them too, thematically, with all the plasma. Aggressors are also pretty good with Raven Guard as you can infiltrate them, sit at their max range and just plink shit for days, and its hard to return fire, or give them the Incinerators and close in for it.

You can do some interesting stuff with White Scars and Inceptors but its sort of one trick. Ultramarines Aggressors are good too, but again, it's just the one.

I was going RG successor anyway, but the rules have come out and made me very happy for my choice.

>>55220243
So Guardfags and Riptide spam are okay now?

>>55220243
It's really not.

Like, yeah, it's dumb to get worked up over, but those aren't even a little bit comparable. I think you SHOULD paint your army and I'd look down on someone who hadn't despite playing for years, but I'm also not gonna refuse the game.

>>55220250

Smurfs with Bobby G?

>>55220251

Would Raptors work? I like their paint scheme. I'll have to look at the other successor chapters as well.

>>55220219
White Scars are pretty good if you're going to run Aggressors and Inceptors in large numbers.

Ultramarines aren't bad either. Raven Guard is also good, for long ranged Intercessor and Hellblasters as well as to infiltrate Aggressor squads into doubletap range.

>>55220295

I like Aggressors, Intercessors and Hellbasters the most. I was going to run those, Contemptors, Leviathans, and relic Fire Raptors/Storm Eagles.

Who's willing to bet that Guard won't get "Chapter Tactics" but instead a bunch of unique stratagem per regiment instead of just one? It would also help diversify lists by forcing people to fill out force orgs if they want max CP.

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So who wins 1v1 irl, Morty or Robert G?

>>55220316
We don't know what Silence does, you fucking idiot

>>55220316
we dont know morty's special rules yet so who knows, dumbdumb

>>55220316
It's almost like we don't know what Silence and the Lantern will do yet.

>>55219830
>>55219845
they aren't good. you can get 2 special weapons and move 6" the weapons aren't that great. they don't do 1 thing well

>>55218200
I love how after all the comments corrected his bullshit he closed them.

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>>55220243
No, it's like playing chess where the other side's a bunch of bottlecaps and thimbles.
The best experience is two fully painted armies on a fully painted board. Gray tide detracts from that.
It may be you don't like to paint, or don't want to pay someone to do it for you. That's fine, but don't turn around and squeal about muh autism when people want their shit to look good.

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>>55220324
That was uncalled for

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>>55220345
I just woke up anon and I'm signing a lease for a new place in a few hours

Stress is high, my bad

>>55220316
>Shitty no ap 5+ Nurgling attacks

These are always just a waste of time rolling i hate how GW thinks adding them on Nurgle heroes is a good idea

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>>55220357
Just embrace the Grandfather and youll never feel stress again

>>55220110
Full chav approved

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>>55220343
>When you upload propaganda but forget to disable the ways in which people can tell you to stick it

>>55220365
>27D3 Attacks
>let me count how many attacks I got
>re-roll to hit

There are so many rolls for rolling rolls in 8th it is getting annoying.

>>55220183
Fraid these would be loyalists, at least nominally.
>>55220204
I was hoping the deep strike would help; I was planning on holding them in reserve for a mostly gunline list then dropping them in front of the enemy advance in the second turn, wherever would make them the most annoying roadblock.

Combi bolters + what? I was thinking Chainfists just because I run into a lot of Marine players, and have a few points to spare in a tentative list.

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>>55220273
>Would Raptors work? I like their paint scheme. I'll have to look at the other successor chapters as well.

Honestly, Raptors work the best. I run Black Guard which also fit, because if you're going Primaris you're not going Assault, really. All the Raven Guard successors work great with the tactics.

Honestly, the -1 to hit thing works BETTER for Raptors than it does Raven Guard, thematically, I think. Revilers are also good.

Pic is the chapter I use. Fits me more, as its all about getting into position and blasting shit with overwhelming firepower.

>>55220326
Yes we do spaghetti. We just don't know his weapon stats

>>55220416
Deep Strike means your 9" away, which is very hard to get into melee from. If you're using them melee, you give them lightning claws generally.

As gunline? You'll get better results out of mostly anything else.

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Was given one of these

What's the best way to use them?

Are Chaos LC Termis useful this edition? Or is it just combiplasma bombs?

>>55220401
I'll be honest, trying to make Nurgle chaining Isha up into a cute romantic comedy shtick actually sort of disturbs me.

>>55220446
As terrain.

>>55220455
Hey, horrible eldritch abominations deserve love too.

Ask your mum.

>>55220446
play frisbee golf with it
what the fuck do you think

>>55220446
As terrain or display for your Valk.

>>55220446
You use it as a shield for your arm so that you get a 6+ invul save when WWIII breaks out

>>55220446
I'll buy it for $30 so you can buy a box of something you actually want. I'm trying to be THAT GUY who runs mass fortifications

>>55220446

Hover a shooty flyer above it or cram it with shooty models that have bad saves.

Do Primaris torsos fit on termi legs?

>>55220313
Then Raven Guard. Sounds very similar to my set up. Though I also use a Repulsor. Not sure about using a Redemptor with the dakka build vs Repulsor, because on one hand the Redemptor would get the -1 hit bonus but the Repulsor is more mobile and tanky.

Per Contemptors, Mortis ones are nice, and aren't Relic.

Storm Eagles problem is they can't haul Primaris, which sucks cus I love them but can't bring myself to use them for that reason. Fire Raptors are nice, but pricey.

But very, very nice.

>>55220451
They could be pretty good with an Icon of Excess
But getting the charge out of deep strike is fairly unreliable, so either run them with a sorcerer or get something to tie up your target first

>>55220451
Sure. Renegade ones have a surprisingly high threat range, though not the best, and Alpha Legion ones can charge in like turn one, which is nice.

If you're running combi-plas, you're better off using Chosen. Termis are a very pricey way to do that.

>>55220474
That may be so.

But not a lot of love in kidnapping and repeatedly assault and torture.

>>55220316
Likely mortarion. With the Emperor's sword, Guilliman averages roughly 6.5 wounds on him, meaning it will take 3 rounds (or two with the attack twice strat), which isn't bad at all.

However, morty will probably have a Sx2 weapon, and I imagine it will have rerolls to wound as well, meaning he ends with about 1.6 wounds going through. The real question is then the damage, but assumably it can be put around 3.5 on average, so he'll do 5.6 wounds, which will kill Guilliman in two rounds.

So considering that mort will cost much more, G is really punching above his weight, since the tiniest of factors will let him win. The real solution is to grab three predators with a lieutenant and BREEEEM the shit out of mort, with no backup they do 10 damage

>>55220533
morty also deals d3 mortal wounds a turn on a 4+

>>55220326
DttFE, mortal wounds aura, -1T aura. Disgustingly Resilient, invu ability, psyker and probably a reroll aura.

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>Mfw my noise marine, Lucius and Warpsmith bits finally arrived
Things shall get loud now!

Hey guys, I finished my tentative Excorcists list, decided to run with the devestator cult since that sounded badass. Thoughts?

>captain with jump pack: thunder hammer, storm shield [129]
>lieutenant with jump pack [78]
>lieutenant [60]

>terminator assault squad: Thunder hammer, storm shield [265]
>terminator assault squad: Thunder hammer, storm shield [265]

>scout squad: camo cloaks [70]
>scout squad: camo cloaks [70]
>scout squad: camo cloaks [70]

>razorback: twin assault Cannon [100]

>devestator squad: lascannons or rocket launchers [165]
>Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought: two twin autocannons [172]
>relic whirlwind scorpius [215]
>leviathan siege Dreadnought: storm cannon array, siege drill [341]

I think maybe taking some vanguard or sternguard vets would be cool, I could get 9 LC-vanguard for the same price as terminators, and that'd be 28 LC attacks punching into shit. I could drop the second lieutenant too

What should I consider? Also what CT should I use?

>>55220623
Vanguard really shine with TH/SS honestly, because they've got mobility and it makes them pretty survivable.

>>55220640
That's a good point, I'll drop the termies and the lieutenant and grab two squads of 7.

Anything else?

>>55220675
If you're running a Leviathan, make it shooty or making choppy, not both, I'd say. So either double up on storm arrays or give it a claw, cus it's really best doing one thing.

You'd probably better off running a normal Mortis if you're gonna go with Twin Autocannons. Cheaper and honestly more effective. Contemptor Mortis are best for the unique stuff they get, but otherwise not really worth the cost increase.

Potentially throw in a Land Speeder, that way you can use the Datalink Telemetry strategem and your Whirlwind thus will autohit. Could use a Land Speeder Storm for it.

>By the time the Crusade reached Catachan, all of the Chaos forces had already been defeated by the local Catachan Jungle Fighters Regiments. At Catachan, the Crusade halted for reinforcement and resupply and despite heavy losses the Indomitus fleet was larger when it departed Catachan than it had been when it first left Terra.

lel Chaoscucks can't even conquer one deathworld

>>55220612
lel, wrong video. heres the right one youtube.com/watch?v=g-sgw9bPV4A

>>55220747
>Chaos cant conquer Planet Stalone Schwarzenegger

You thought any other thing to be true? Say how what you really think.

>>55219762

Battlescribe says my Tartaros termis move 6" is that fucking right?? Still trying to find the 8th SM codex online fuck you I pay enough for all the models.

>>55220794
>Still trying to find the 8th SM codex online fuck you I pay enough for all the models

have you considered looking at the fucking OP links, they have only been there forever

>>55220768
>implying chaos can win anything without GW fudging the numbers

>>55220794
yeah, they move 6 mate

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Rate my Salamanders list;


++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Salamanders

+ HQ +

Librarian: 4) Fury of the Ancients, Boltgun, Force stave

Vulkan He'stan

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad
. 7x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-flamer
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon and grav-amp
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

+ Elites +

Apothecary: The Armour Indomitus

Sternguard Veteran Squad
. Space Marine Veteran: Combi-melta
. Space Marine Veteran: Combi-melta
. Space Marine Veteran: Combi-melta
. Space Marine Veteran: Combi-melta
. Space Marine Veteran w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta
. Veteran Sergeant: Combi-plasma, Power fist

Terminator Assault Squad
. Terminator Sergeant: Lightning Claw (Pair)
. 4x Terminator w/THSS: 4x Storm shield, 4x Thunder hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squad
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun
. Attack Bike: Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Land Raider Crusader: 2x Hurricane bolter, Multi-melta, Twin assault cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod: Storm bolter

Rhino: Storm bolter

Rhino: Storm bolter

Rhino: Storm bolter

++ Total: [118 PL, 2000pts] ++
Sternguard drop pod next to a vehicle I want dead or a unit and drop it/them.

5 man tacs with 2 specials ride around in rhinos and double up on fools for 4 specials.

Libby and Terms ride around in Crusader. Libby can pop out and Fury of Ancients, TH/SS tie up a demon prince or whatever.

>>55220864
>Crusader

Why not more flames?

>>55218200

> Why are there no black people in 40K?

Because it's the future!

I'll show myself out.

>>55220741
Thanks man! I've tried the leviathan a few times and really like having both (but 20 storm Cannon shots does sound awesome), so I think I'll stick with that. However, that whirlwind idea is genius. Thanks!

R8 my invincible iron fortress. Dumbass bugs couldn't even kill half my list last game : ^ )

++ Fortification Network (CP +0) (Astra Militarum) [462 Pts] ++

+ Fortification +

Vortex Missile Aquila Strongpoint [462 Pts]: 4x Heavy Bolter, Vortex Missile Battery

+ 'Faction +

Regiment Selection: Cadian

++ Battalion (CP +3) (Astra Militarum) [338 Pts] ++

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [53 Pts]: Chainsword, Grenade Launcher, Heavy Bolter, Laspistol

Tempestus Scions [71 Pts]: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 2x Hot-Shot Volley Gun, 5x Scions
. Hot-Shot Lasgun
. Hotshot Laspistol and Vox: Hot-Shot Laspistol, Vox-Caster

Tempestus Scions [67 Pts]: Chainsword, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 2x Plasma Gun, 5x Scions
. Hot-Shot Lasgun
. Hotshot Laspistol and Vox: Hot-Shot Laspistol, Vox-Caster

+ Elites +

Tempestus Command Squad [72 Pts]
. Hot-Shot Lasgun
. Hotshot Laspistol and Medi-pack: Hot-Shot Laspistol, Medi-Pack
. 2x Meltagun

+ HQ +

Company Commander [35 Pts]: Power Axe, Shotgun

Tempestor Prime [40 Pts]: Chainsword, Tempestus Command Rod

+ 'Faction +

Regiment Selection: Cadian

++ Total: [800 Pts] ++

>>55220805

No I fucking hadn't.

Thank you.

I'm going to buy Mortarion and there's nothing you can do to stop me!

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Hey fellas, I recently went out and bought a Barbed Hierodule and my second Malanthrope. Anyone have any advice on how to get the best out of my Hierodule?

>>55220937
I'm getting Morty, the CE dex and the three alternate plague marines.

>>55220823

That makes Raven Guard Tartaros termis with CC weapons pretty deadly then.

>Stratagem deployment, 6" move, now hit that charge turn 1 on anything but dbl1s.

>>55220864
cant take the grav cannon on a unit with only 7 tac marines. meltas and drop pods are very overpriced. your assault squad is all fucked up, and termies should be 2xLC's only, use vanguard for TH/SS (since they can assault fly units)
attack bikes are where your meltas should go, if you wanted to use them.
landraiders are over priced, and so is vulcan unless you run him with aggressors out of a repulsor

start again with the 3 plas/ combi-flamer tac squads with rhinos.

>also fury of the ancients is the worst power, use veil of time or null zone

>>55220946
As a terrain piece.
Won't waste points or expectations on it that way.

>>55220955
But I want to play with it.

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>>55218200

>Haven't had a 'real' job or a full night's sleep since 2005

almonds status: activated

>>55220930
Is the Vortex really all that great? Couldn't a normal bastion or two work better? Like, the bastion guns suck, why bother?

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Any ideas in what to do for buggies 4 and 5?
I was considering making one a homage to the old kettenkrad.

>>55220964
Then look at its rules, find what its good at, and do it.