Horus Heresy 30k General /hhg/

Where can I find the Magnus Primarch novel?

>>55200476
here
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

>>55200533
Thank FBI.

>>55200625
Can't access it ?

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with a little work, these would make excellent Thunder Warriors.

Any recommendation for a Terminator/Pride of the Legion army? I want a stubborn, in your face and refusing to back down army of a brick in the face.

>>55200946
>every new model can be a thunder warrior
Not really, they are big guys (4u) with a brutal aesthetic but they look nothing like thunder warriors. It would take more than a bit of work.

>>55201625
Imperial Fists maybe?

Their shield terminators are fucking tough

Hey, for a Sons of Horus force I've got 60 legionnares, 2 dreadnoughts, 5 cataphractii termies, 5 justaerin, and the abaddon/loken set. I've also got 70 militia and tanks and 4p scions.

For the purely marine force: is that a reasonable grouping? Effective? I'm basically wondering if it's something that will get curb stomped. 30k is NOT big in my area but with the fan made 8th edition I can play 40k too with it.

As for everything else, where are the militia rules? Is there a download for them? Are they any good using the "sacrificial" offering rite?

>>55202862
Unless you play zone mortalis, you're going to get stomped by artillery and phosphex spam

>>55202961
Just don't play against the arty fags and phosphex spammers. Find a group that plays fluffy games and scenarios.

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Mechanicum>>>>>> Adeptus Mechanicus

>>55200946
>>55202198
They make excellent techno-barbarians.

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trying to create a new general pic, I hate Paint, go ahead and laugh, but I dare you to find something better made by someone who haven't drawn in his life before

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>>55205874
There are plenty general pics.
I belive this one needs update.

>>55205904
wanted to do a general pic themed for istvaan, with plenty of dead salamanders on the ground and one standing
if I have to keep up the general, I'd like to do it with my pics

>>55201625
Sons of Horus Combi-Plasma Vets are basically great.

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>>55205214
Kastelan robits look about a hundred times better if you flip their goofy helmets over.

>thread is almost 10 hours old
>less than 20 replies

Just let it die already. We lost.

>>55206561
No one step back

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>>55206373
Or get 3rd party.

>>55200946
Fucking baby ogryns.

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>>55201625
IW

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>>55206561
Never!

Don't worry, I brought tacos with me.

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>>55206561
Sadly we are few here and thread are very slow, but we can't surrender.
How many points are WE chainaxes again?

Nothing gets the posts (and anger) flowing like Legion Tier Lists. Post yours today!

God-Tier: Thousand Sons

High-Tier: Sons of Horus, Iron Warriors, Space Wolves, World Eaters

Mid-Tier: Alpha Legion, Death Guard, Raven Guard, Night Lords, Ultramarines, Emperor's Children

Low-Tier: Iron Hands, Word Bearers, Salamanders, Imperial Fists

TBD: Dark Angels, Blood Angels, White Scars

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What should I use to represent my lieutenants? I'm building a whole company according to this guide and I'm not sure what should represent three junior officers. I'm considering centurions, possibly the support officers, but I don't know how fluffy that would be.

>>55207582
Use vanilla centurion

>>55207582
i'd suggest they'd be damn near anything, looking to fluff you always see Captain > Sergeant when it comes to orders, ergo the lieutenant position on the FoC doesn't designate a line officer, more the specialists attached to that company; in modern 40k it's roughly the same, you wind up with a primary HQ (Captain) and then his random sidekicks (Librarian, Chappy, etc).

>>55207273

High
SoH, IF, AL, RG, WS, DA, TS, Talon, Mech, Cults

Mid
DG, EC, WE, IH, SL, IW, UM, SW, BA, Solar

Low
NL, WB, Blackshield, Militia

Balance feels alright desu. Outside Agamatus, Tribunes and Magnus, faction balance feels alright.
Internal is still wonky though.

>>55207984
But specialists are in their own bracked. Also, 40k marines do have lieutenants now. I'm sort of with >>55207707, though using consuls to indicate their additional duties (like how in 40k company captains have duties, like master of the fleet, master of recruits, etc.) So, for example, 1st platoon lieutenant could also be the herald, carrying company colours. And if you have a recon company, a vigilator might make a good lieutenant for them.

I'm also making my dudes as a single company and have been pondering the same thing. I think I'm just making one of the sergeants as the lieutenant.

>>55206561
We shall know no fear!

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>>55205874
some progress was made

>>55206561
You aren't raging against the dying of the light hard enough.

>>55207273
BS 5/5: Imperial Fists, Sons of Horus
BS 4/5: Dark Angels, Emperor's Children, Iron Warriors, White Scars, Space Wolves, Night Lords, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Ultramarines, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Word Bearers, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Alpha Legion
BS 2/5: World Eaters

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>>55205904
I feel this reflects the amount of work actually put into making Inferno a high quality product.

Have someone "Fucking Iron Warriors" pic with J French?

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>>55209001
>6MB
You fucking insane Sir.

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Squad of Chainblade Adsecularis/40k Fulgurites is done building, aside from some metal chunks on their bases I need to greenstuff up. Next on the list, Xander Treides himself.

Any chance someone could post the building instructions for the MKIV from Burning of Prospero? It's my first kit and I want the arms to fit right... I can only find MKIII

any update on the 30k rulebook or should I just say fuck it and spray paint my telemon custodes dreadnoughts silver and play them as dreadknights

>>55211503
Supposed to be sometime this month.

What army is best if I still want to try to use infantry with minimal vehicle/MC support?
I just want my dudemens on the ground shooting and chopping the other guy to pieces, and it seems like infantry isn't worth the price of admission.

>>55211168
prospero only has mk3, calth had mk4

>>55212606
I feel smart now. Buddy gave me a few of them and said they were from Burning of Prospero...

>>55207273
>God tier
>Not Blood Angels
They haven't even had their special units

>Melee attacks are pseudo +1 strength
>Paragon Blades wound on a 2+
>Double wound swords wound on a 3+
>RoW gives them +1 initiative on the charge (not like EC are built around that or anything)
My prediction for Sanguinary Guard
WS: 5 BS: 4 S/T: 4 W: 2 I: 4 Sv:2+
+1 Initiative the turn they charge
Glaive Encarmines: +1 Strength, AP 2, 2 handed

>>55213354
Lol +1 to Wound being even remotely as good as Thousand Sons

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>>55205904

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Anyone read this? I've just finished Master of Prospero and enjoyed it, big lack of bolter porn but the interactions between Magnus and Perturabo and between Ahriman and Forrix made it worth it.

I've heard the Thousand Sons feature heavily in this book.

>>55211086
Have you considered adding some tubes and cables to them?

>>55203060
>implying artillery and phospex isn't totally fluffy for some legions

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>>55218576
Thoughts? I find the rule where Sanguinius can randomly not charge shitty.

>>55218585
>>55218576
So shitty, a 1 in 6 chance to not charge? And how the fuck is he supposed to be able to best Horus in a fight?

>>55218182
A few of them do have a couple, but I wanted to keep things relatively uncluttered for ease of painting, and I quite like how they look now. Anything bigger like a Castellax conversion or any Magos will probably have a few bitz like that, though, since I do have the greenstuff roll maker.

>>55218576
Him getting his own free command squad feat. a Named Character on top of 2+ 3++ and other shenanigans seems a little much, even if he is expensive. I feel the "max 500pts" thing for Primarchs is becoming a problem now all the new ones have to be high-powered.

Still, that basically just reads "vanilla melee Primarch with a neat jump pack" to me, there's nothing that would make me go "WTF, that's OP as balls".

>>55218576
>>55218585
These rules are pretty wank.

Weapon skill 8 and initiative 6 for a primarch supposedly in the top three with Horus and Angron (Russ power creep can fuck off, he should lose his exothermic armour of bullshit and a point of WS), also he has nothing beyond these stats and crusader to help him in cc. Also can only assault 5/6 times

Kurze is jump without help, Mortarion can teleport and Corax gets a Swiss army knife jump pack but Sanguinius gets +D6 charge.

Weapons are very weird, either S9 soul blaze or S10 concussive, other wise they are pretty identical.

Nothing to actually justify spending 500 points, he's basically Fulgrim with a jump pack and a free command squad.

Trying this again. But fuck this tank is hard to assemble. Worse than the old Leman Russ tanks that had individual roadwheels and single tread links.

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>>55218733

>>55218733
>>55218742
>screws up the post three times
Apply yourself, anon.

>>55218766
I wish I knew why my images are posting upside down.

>>55218813
Have you cropped the photo after rotating it? That usually solves the problem.

>>55218742
G'day mate.

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>>55218656
>And how the fuck is he supposed to be able to best Horus in a fight?
He's not.

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Definitely leaning more towards >>55205281 than thunder warriors

Has anyone who's thought about doing Thunder Warriors used pic related at all?

I've seen some nice conversions that are similar in style, with Cadian+plume heads and banded armour

Are Valdors any good or is it worth investing a hundred or so points more in a Shadowsword?

Been reading my way through the first few Heresy books, and I've got to Flight of the Eisenstein. Mortarion is so Space British sometimes it's hilarious, probably pushed the Death Guard up a few notches on my "favourite Legions" list.

>>55219979
>first few Heresy books
you are still innocent

>>55219979
Wait till you get to book 41. I've heard it's a good one

>>55218876
Too soon man

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I can't decide on a recon squad sergeant head.

I want to give the squad mohawk heads in the style of old SM scouts, but want the sergeant to stand out from the rest. Narrowed it down to basically pic related. The first two are more senior looking, the 3rd would set him apart on pure "I have the biggest hair, so I get to lead" and then there's just the option to give him a helmet, but don't know how it'd sit with the rest of the squad lacking helmets.

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>>55220164
What about Legion?

>>55220331
Actually like that one

>>55219979
>Mortarion is so Space British sometimes it's hilarious
What does he do?

But yeah, DG (and IH) are both Space British, as are some of the Night Lords

>>55220466
It's not so much any particular thing he does as his general manner, like after the Jorgall fight where he spends most of the conversation making Garro nervous and trolling him a bit while offering him a drink and electing him his equerry. I know a few uni professors like that, perfectly nice to everyone but still somehow terrifying. Also "he'll have your job one day" to Typhon.

The Legion as a whole is pretty Space Northern, especially during fights.

>>55220300
Since the rest of the squad have helmets having the sarge wearing one will look weird as it's usually the opposite way round, alternatively it could be a nice change from the norm.

If you decide to go helmetless then I'd pick the first one, serious looking dude with some bionics looks nice and experienced so perfect for a sergeant.

>>55220300
By giving the sergeant a helmet, you could joke around about how he's the only sensible one in the group

I feel dumb for asking but the terminator squad rules says that they can take deathclaw drop pod. The fuck is a deathclaw drop pod?

>dork angels
>children
>iron whiners
>who?
>space furries
>imperial fisters
>edge lords
>shitty vampires
>ferrus manus and the redundants
>dick eaters
>ultrashits
>eew stinky poo poo
>transexual sons
>the legion formally known as the Luna Wolves
>the mental midgets
>the N.W.A.
>the Edgar Allen Poes
>The Beta Bitch Legion

>>55221522
It's a HH-era drop pod that can fly around after deepstriking, while costing 100 points

>>55221522
They are talking about eh Anvillus Dreadclaw, it's just the usual FW editing up to no good.

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>>55221528

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>>55221522
Really, nigga?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/Legion-Anvillus-Pattern-Dreadclaw-Drop-Pod
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dreadclaw

>>55221648
What is a WAACfag

>>55221908
It says fucking deathclaw

>>55221954
Win At All Cost fag.

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>>55221962
[Summons the Elector Counts in distance]

>>55221648
"Aren't Marines" is the least dramatic insult ypu could possibly throw at Mech. At least call us cogfucking dogmatic lunatics or something else entertaining. ;)

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>>55206561
Don't worry, there's more than a few of us content with lurking this slowpoke general. I don't want to shit it up while internally debating between, Dark Angels (Fallen), Sons of Horus or White Scars (Traitor).

>>55222321
Fella it's discussions like that we are here to hear. Tell us your deliberations.

>>55222321
Why not create a shattered legion of Sons of Horus and traitor Scars? 2 birds with one stone

>>55222000
>playing mechanicum when they literally can't win battles without help from marines
>playing mechanicum when marines conquer forge worlds by glaring harshly in their general direction

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>>55218576
>>55218585

What is the source for these? As-is, I'm inclined to call fake and say it's a well-published fan piece.
The Sanguinary Guard rule and his lack of complexity are big red flags to me. Not only is he very different to any Primarch before him, he also totally sucks and I can't imagine FW holding back on the golden boy to this degree.
As said, he is a one-dimensional beatstick that sucks at his job and I cannot believe that this is the real deal. Flight is his major selling point and for that to be condensed into a longer charge, seems insane in comparison to Corax.
Plus the fluff blurbs seem really out of place and one of them is a quote from a 40k book.

If this is real, Bligh-less FW really fucking suck.

>>55222898
>What is the source for these?
Some guy on lexicanum, I don't suppose the fact that it refers to Blood Angels faction rather than Legionnes Astartes tipped you off?

>>55222898
Nigga you dumb

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Has anyone read this? What happens?

>>55218161
Master of Prospero was fun.

The TS are not featured in Lord of Iron, it's a great book however. I enjoyed it a lot, Pert is one of my fav primarchs, so that may have clouded my opinion.

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>>55220331
Legion was neat, it fleshed out the Imperial Army. Also, fuggin Strabo.

I like the Alpha Legion stuff. The cabal stuff is a bit meh.

>collect word bearers
>dislike deamons
>dislike erebus and khor phaeron
>hate baldness
>indifferent to gal vorbak

I only like their faith, zeal and paint scheme.

>>55220579
>The Legion as a whole is pretty Space Northern, especially during fights.
Grim, stoic and silent?

>>55223081
Does anyone play the WB in the old grey scheme I wonder?

>>55223081

Orphans of Betrayal or Blackshields are both options.
Go full-on vengeful space paladin.

>>55223095
Yep, and when Garro is injured he not only does the "fuck off, helper guy, I can still fight" thing but also starts bitching in a properly British fashion. "Where's my bloody bolter?" is is not normally a question a Marine needs to ask when he's missing a leg and is generally about a minute from sus-an.
If I hadn't seen his picture I might expect him to be played by Sean Bean.

>>55223081
>tens if not hundreds of legion fleets
>2 first captain equivalents
>about 50 gal vorbak, much less after Istvaan 5
>daemons are hard as fuck to summon
>waah waah, I can't play WBs
Fluff your own force of Word Bearers all of them with excessive amounts of glam rock hair

>>55223692
>cast out of the legion for not following the sacred writ of the chaplain due to not being able to read it because his hair obscured the tattoos on his head
>to this day Lorgar has been deemed a hairetic as they fight for the loyalists in the name of the God-Emperor
Fund it.

>>55223081
Go Imperial Fists and go Black Templars. Be Crusading Paladins

>>55202961
If I saw more than 2 artillery pieces like basilisk or a horde of quad mortars I'd say I'm out honestly. Most people around here for my meta deepstrike or charge across the board with dreadnought and infantry.

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>>55224171
BATTLE BROTHER.

Has anyone made an alternative launcher for the Scorpius? I'm not a fan of the oversized proteus-pattern missile launcher, but outside of missile pods, can't find a damn thing to replace the launcher with.

>>55223692
>about 50 gal vorbak
Didn't they start mass producing the shitty nuGal Vorbak after Isstvan?

>>55224634
>should I change up my tactics or list to make it more well rounded
>naw, I'll just refuse to play against any of its weaknesses

>>55223692
The WB are still my favorite legion and I'm basing my baldies around the Calth betrayal.
>>55224171
>wanting to play the autistic and worse copy of the ultramarines

>>55225257
Yeah but as you and Argel Tal say they were weak copies. Not the T5 W2 bad boys from the serrated sun.

>>55225050
FW's Whirlwind alt model?

Really most people do missile launchers, as long as you're consistent I doubt anyone would mind

>>55225819
eeee T5 W2 are those weak copies.

>>55225490
>Ultras
>built there own shitty empire cause Emps didn't pick up the phone for like ten seconds
>distracted actual loyal legions from killing traitor shits while they tried to save them from their autism
>basically worth -3 loyal legions during the heresy
>rewrote history to make them the heros like a bunch of bitches

>Imperial Fists
>never once wavered in their devotion to the Enperor
>defended terra
>did their duty

>>55226276
>built there own shitty empire
>Ultramar is superior to the broader Imperium in literally every way
Guilliman would have made a better Emperor tbqh.

>>55226276
If Fists never wavered, how come the Emperor is dead?

>>55226449
Emps came out from behind the Fist's line to attack Horus.

>>55226359
>Ultramar: 500 worlds
>Imperium of Man: 1,000,000 worlds
Try again bud.

>>55222975
It's a brief short about retrospective on the bonds of brotherhood and responsibilities. Plus it shows how SM cope and restore themselves after the physical and mental injury.

Did someone have "Fuken Iron Warriors" pic with John Frenh?

>>55223081
If you can deal with grey, you should do imperial heralds then

>>55218576
>>55218585
Not really seeing the "solo two greater demons with ease" out of this.

Or phantom titan destruction.

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Vroom vroom good guy IW on the way

>>55226584
>500 worlds that are paradises
>999,500 worlds that are a bunch of shit holes

Sometimes, no quantity of premium shit will have any quality of its own.

>>55229716
>not using leadbelcher color spray or an airbrush
>
NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>55225383
Playing against a list tailored like that is a pain in the ass regardless of list. I've met people like that, and played like that before. Not something I'm willing to deal with. But if you said to add a tank squadron of predators, perhaps more support squads, or drop podding, maybe I wouldn't have been so dismissive of you simply pointing out one list type that would destroy any infantry army.

>>55228191
I've thought about it.

>>55229716
jfc, I hope that's a recast.

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What was the great crusade reason for downgrading to smaller dreadnoughts?

>>55235444
The big ones were better and therefore harder to make.

>>55235444
>>55235461
Know how and necessary ressources were lost.
Another example: Javellins and Jetbikes.

>>55235475
They didn't lose technology during the great crusade but the standard dreadnought was deployed before the Horus Heresy.

>>55235444
What was the real world reason from downgrading from a rifle to a carbine? What was the real world reason from downgrading from a battleship to a cruiser?

Besides, FW contemptor is way too big, and all the rest are scaled according to it.

>>55235444
Imagine waking up to find out you were recovered from a great battle to find out you were selected for dreadnought internment only to find out you're being put in a crappier chassis and not the leviathan, deredeo or even contemptor.

>>55235563
I'd prefer a castaferrum over a leviathan. would be nice to retain my sanity.

>>55236207

leviathans only make their pilots crazy because the mind impulse units have the ghosts of over 10,000 years of former pilots haunting them just like titans. Great crusade/Horus Heresy era leviathan and deredeos didn't have that issue. Just like how 40k era sicrans have ghost chatter from former battles being repeated faintly on the radios.

>>55235444
Because Chadtemptors were a mistake, and Dreadlets were the future.

>>55236242
Wait a second, I thought Leviathans were taxing as fuck even during Heresy.

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>>55236320
It isn't mentioned in the HH rules, rather what you are thinking of is mentioned in the rules for 40k and mentions it may be an issue with their age and they don't enjoy a peaceful slumber unlike their dreadlet brothers, rather re-live battles of former interned battle brothers that date back to even the heresy.

>>55236495
Ah yeah you're right, there's a bit of fluff about an unstable iron hands leviathan but iirc the guy was unstable before installation anyway, I think that was confusing me.

>>55236242
>leviathans only make their pilots crazy because the mind impulse units have the ghosts of over 10,000 years of former pilots haunting them just like titans. Great crusade/Horus Heresy era

>be glorious 1st company captain
>be brought to within an inch of death
>ask to still serve the emperor
>only dreadnought left is a leviathan
>get interred
>developed PTSD while sleeping after being forced to listen to 10,000 years of war and death

>konrad curze solely recruits criminals from nostramo
>later complains that his legion is degenerate

Was it autism???

>>55236808
>hurp durp they weren't criminals any more because I spooked them

>>55236808
>>55236954
I thought it was that nostramo kept sending their best and brightest until a few years after night haunter left, until the criminals took back control of nostramo and then they sent shitty dudes on purpose?

>>55238750
>nostramo
>every sending someone that isn't a killer, degenerate or rapist

Pretty sure that Curze was just mentally retarded after eating all those brains.

>>55236954
>one serial killer managed to scare AN ENTIRE PLANET into good behaviour
Curze has the absolute stupidest backstory in all of 40k and that's really saying something.

>>55239072
a super human killing machine who never sleeps, feasts on human flesh and makes calculated terror attacks on a modern city covering a whole planet, with all the mass media that entails? I'd believe it.

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>>55206561
No. Build more walls

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>>55200465

Are there any plans to fix the typo-riddled piece of shit that is the Militia army list?
It's a shame that one of the biggest military groups in the setting is so under-represented, and also that the list is so poor for showing what they are.

Trying to make a RG Liberation Force work and it's like pulling fucking teeth.

>>55229716
That tank is begging for an oil wash, mud effects, and other weathering. Oils are actually easy to use because you have a whole day before they dry. Just buy some varnish, buy three oil paints (burnt umber, some sort of dark brown, and black) and artist’s spirit (less smelly than white spirits) and a synthetic or half-synthetic brush. Spray with gloss varnish, let dry. Give it some dark brown oil along all the crevasses, add burnt umber (maybe with some brown) oil streaks coming down from some of the rivets and panels by dabbing on and pulling down. Let dry for a day then matte varnish. Stipple on some dust-colored acrylics, maybe add mud.

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>>55239734
This.

>>55235444
I recall it had something to do with making them smaller to accommodate for operations where the regular contemptor chassis and the bigger ones couldn't reliably maneuver while still being able to tote around heavy armaments

>>55239734
>more

No, build one yuge wall to keep the Crimson Fists out.

>>55239908
>wants to play Army
>doesn't want to play OC Donut Steel Solar Auxilia™

I wanted to make a 30k version of my 40k Guard for ages and we only got options for 30k stormies and 30k PDF, so I just gave up and did a small force of Malcador's Chosen to ally with Talons.

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>>55240390
>hating on the Rosenritter

>>55235444
The FW books (Book 1: Betrayal and Imperial Armour vol. 2, 2nd ed.) talk a little about it.

The sources suggest that Contemptors are Terran tech based on dreadnoughts that normal humans used before Unification. The Custodes got the best ones, of course. However, Book 1 also says that Contemptors have some tech in common with Ordo Cybernetica automata. I suppose that’s possible because there was a tiny bit of sporadic contact between Terra and Mars, and that exchange could have happened millennia ago.

But that’s why boxdreads take over after the Heresy – the AdMech moved away from using robots that had a mind of their own, instead using robots that you plug floppy disks into with orders for just the next battle, like the Kastellan. With so little demand for cybernetica tech, they’ve largely forgotten how to build Contemptors. Terran manufacturers appear to have ceded production to the AdMech, so they forgot too, or maybe still can but just have a small production capacity.

The Castaferrum (boxdread) was made by Mars for the Legiones Astartes. That means it was designed more for mass production and durability, much like a Rhino. (Oddly enough though, the bolter seems to be Terran in origin while volkite weapons are Martian, yet the former ended up dominating.)

>>55240783
Bolters are still very much Mars tech too, though. In fact, they have the biggest ones in the form of Vulcan Megabolters, even if the Custodes get the few fancier ones.

They're just way easier to produce and maintain in the millions than Volkite weapons, although given how you only need like two million to arm every marine that shouldn't be a huge problem for Mars and her Sister Worlds. Probably a mix of the Mech being tight-fisted and welcoming the chance to claim the tech back when minor supply problems cropped up and GW failing at scale again.

>>55240783
To be fair, Terran made bolters, like used by Custodes, seem to be fancier than Martian ones.

>>55239565
Still though, he was in that one city. Yeah sure, he killed a gang of rapists once in a awhile and put it up on TV somehow but that wouldn't give me the slightest pause if I was on the other side of the world. There's crazy shit going on right now on Earth that I don't care about. He could pacify a city (maybe) but an entire planet is ludicrous even by 40k standards.

>>55240893
>Bolters are still very much Mars tech too, though.
Isn't the Emperor credited with their invention? And the Thunder Warriors had them before the Imperium connected with Mars.

>>55241171
We can send m fly to mars right now, in 30k years it's conceivable that Martian and terran Smith's collaborated

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>>55240893
>>55240783
Before the Bolters, all Marines were armed with Volkite weapons. They were just too expensive, hard to manufacture and hard to maintain over the bolter for the vast legions of space marines once the Great Crusade kicked off proper.

>>55241282
>Before the Bolters

But bolters were used even before the Unification Wars. Surely Marines had bolters before they got volkites from Mars. I don't even know if they were 100% volkites even then. Bolters offer a great deal of flexibility and you don't have to waste volkites on support personnel.

>>55241171
The Emperor invented the original Bolters, but I can't imagine it took Mars more than a couple weeks to reverse-engineer them after their treaty considering they tote about Heavy Heavy Bolters on their warbots and tanks as a matter of course.

Maybe they had something reasonably similar that was the "Mauler Bolt Cannon equivalent" on Mars until they improved it with the Emperor's designs and officially renamed it to a Bolt Weapon?

>>55241282
>not enough volkite weaponry to supply the legions
>solar auxilia can have entire squads armed with volkite

NANI FORGE WORLD!?

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>MFW psykers

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>>55241491
I believe in one of the first black books FW mentions that the early legions were armed almost entirely with volkite, definitely for the rest of the Solar Unification campaign and at least for the first few decades of the GC. Once more and more legions came into service, the supply requirements became too much for Mars to handle on it's own, and presumably they were unwilling to fork over that tech to recently conquered forgeworlds in order to compensate, which resulted in the Legions receiving more bolter supplies from manufactorums closer to the frontline. Also, considering the horrendous casualties the legions took over the course of the GC (especially the loss of legions II and XI), there were much fewer volkite weapons in service by the time Ullanor rolled around, and by that time it simply became easier to use bolters than wait on a shipment from mars that might take months to arrive.

>>55242294
That was after the Treaty of Olympia. There were Space Marines before that, before they had finished unifying Terra. Weren't they using bolters at the time?

>>55242294
I hope they give the DA some way to use Volkite as standard like Comp. Support Squads

>>55242502
Ye, the thunder warriors used a shit version of the bolter.

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Does the Mechanicum have the life-eater virus? I know only the Warmaster or Emps himself were allowed to use the bloody stuff for Exterminatus among the Crusade fleets, but the Biologis DO have enough of it for demonstrations. Would the Reductor be permitted it, maybe in a limited version somehow for use as biological weapons? I like the idea of refluffing my phosphex arty as biocannons and maybe making some of those glass containers filled with dark green gloop to stack on the gunnery platforms.

>>55242799
Easy way out is to just say you have an almost-life-eater virus onboard. I'm sure there are plenty of types.

>>55242294
bottom right is having a bad day

>>55243228
That's Tallarn, I think everyone had a bad day.

How do into Custodes/SoS?

I have accumulated 35 unbuilt Custodes and 40 Sisters of Silence. But I don't know how to build the army or what vehicles, if any, I should get for them.
I love the look of the new terminators, so I'll be getting a squad of those.

Are any the SoS or Custodes vehicles fun to use, or at least build?

>>55244064

Depends how hard you want to fuck the game. Talons have the potential to be extremely obnoxious to deal with. On the other hand, a gentleman's list looks the tits and breaks up the Marine scene nicely.

General pointers:
You want either a Tribune or Valdor to lead the force. Both are viable; Valdor is an absurd damage-dealer, Tribunes are essentially immortal. Depends which you value more.
Hetaeron Guard make an excellent bodyguard but are into Deathstar-points to do properly. Look Out Sir shenanigans keep them alive forever.
Aquillon Terminators are your best answer against hordes when armed with Firepikes.
Keep your Troops as minimum-sized units of 3. Custodes Troops tend to be the weakest part of the list, and there is no Sergeant tax.
Coronus are great, Pallas are poor and Caladius are busted good. No idea what the Orion will be but Custodes have a noted problem against aircraft.
Agamatus Jetbikes might be the best unit in the game. Absolutely absurdly broken with Las-Pulsars.
Sagitarrum are horrible and never worth it. Avoid at all costs.
All of your Dreadnoughts are great. The D-Spear speaks for itself, the Shield one is going to hit combat with 6-8 WS6/I5 Shred Attacks, and the Telemon drops silly amounts of versatile firepower.

Very little knowledge of Sisters, most people play Talons to wank off Custodes.
Might be good for keeping Magnus honest but he is another problem altogether.

>>55244064
You will have to suffer through cries of cheese. imo, it is possible to build a less-cheesy Talons army - take dudes with spears, don't put a shield on your HQ, go easy on the Caladius tanks and jetbikes, and take Saggitarums. I think Terminators are on the less-cheesy side too.

For the sisters, not much is out yet but nothing seems too bad or too good. Their transport looks pretty points-efficient and the ones with swords look better on paper.

>>55242818
True. Looks like it would be much less dangerous without the insanely rapid replication, so let's say it's the same stuff minus that. That way it's a biological airburst shell that later leaves a bunch of fire on the ground if someone nicks it with a hot thing.

Seems suitable enough for Phosphex counts-as.

>>55244304
>>55244310
"Gentleman's list" sums up what I'm looking for pretty nicely.
Thank you for the pointers.

Good to know the jetbikes are OP. I never really liked the models, and now I've got extra incentive to not get any.

>>55242058
You mean unlike terminator squads, support squads, heavy support squads, dreadnoughts, etc.?

Though it's weird vets can only take them as special weapons. Would imagine if they can take combis, they should be able to take chargers, like terminators. Make calivers special weapons for them and you could have have volkite vets for all your GC needs. Would not mind fielding a unit or two in MkII.

>>55244523
>>55242058

> Rite of War: Soul of the Legion
> Any LA unit armed with Bolters/Combi-Bolters may replace them for Volkite Chargers/TL Volkites for +50pts per squad.
> May take 0-2 units of Custodes

> 3 Compulsory Troops
> Limited access to Veterans and Dreadnoughts
> 'New' technologies identified, limited to 1 selection per 1000pts being played.
> No Primarch except Horus

>>55244852
>Bolters/Combi-Bolters may replace them for Volkite Chargers/TL Volkites

So, a terminator squad can take TL chargers for 50pts. instead of regular ones for 70pts.? Also, 50pts. for 20 chargers on a tactical blob?

>>55241060
He murdered entire streets of gangsters and put their heads on spiky fence. It was fucking mass murder, everyone was fucking terrified that he come for them, because even the most powerfulll gang leaders were slaughtered with their famillies in their own houses.

>>55241060
>>55239072

It helps to remember that the term 'crime lords' could very easily be applied to world leaders.
Imagine if one man very publically tortured and murdered every major leader on earth while being apparently invincible and broadcasting their crimes across the media.
Imagine if everything on /pol/ was true and a single man murdered all of the Rothschilds, Clintons and anyone else associated with the NWO theories, revealed DNC corruption beyond doubt, sauntered along to butcher Kim Jong Un and Putin along with their entire command structure, and basically made a big fucking mess of anyone who thought they had power.
He's basically delivered on the fantasy of every Poltard.

>>55235444
Reading HH book 1 Dreadnoughts info I get to the conclusion that small dreds (Mk V and Mk IV) are in fact older than Contemptor and others.
And after heresy they were unable to made new Contemptors(they were very advanced).

>>55218161
Aside from Perturabo pretending he made up Plato's cave, it was alright. The ending makes it all worth it though.

>>55244523
>Make calivers special weapons for them and you could have have volkite vets for all your GC needs.
I actually like early great crusade vets all armed with volkite weapons. I mean I wouldn't mind houseruling something like
>Entire squad can replace bolters with volkite chargers for 5 points per model
>One in five can replace bolter with a volkite caliver for 10 points
Wouldn't be a particularly good unit since you are giving vets poor AP weapons and other units can spam dakka better (eg. tactical support squad), but would be a fun and fluffy weapon.

>>55246947
>Aside from Perturabo pretending he made up Plato's cave
I thought Pert acknowledged that he had read it somewhere.

>>55218585
>Azkaellon
>WS 5
Azkaellon should be at minimum WS 6 but WS 7 would be more accurate. It is likely he will become a special character for the legion on his own probably as a praetor.

Overall I think Sanguinius' core stats are fine although I would probably make him I 7 but his special rules and equipment are resoundingly meh. I wouldn't make him WS 9 and think making Russ WS 9 was a mistake, it should be reserved for Angron and the Emperor when he comes.

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>>55249141
>Isstvan V
>terrain isn't black sand
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Have another pretty picture.

>>55249141
>that IH dumping prometheum into the back hatch of a predator
hhhngghh

So... with the lead dead, and necromundo being FW product, can I assume that HH is pretty much dead now? I got 1500pts-ish now, and not sure should I buy more or move on

>>55249731
Wait, what?

>>55249731
Yes. You sound like a cunt so it'd be better for all of us if you quit playing Heresy.

>>55249813
>>55249731
Shit, how did I now know about this happening. I've been out of the loop longer than I thought.
Losing Bligh sucks.

>>55249948
Yes, that and Specialist Games have cannibalized most of the HH Team. It's why the future list of releases is mostly Rhino Doors.

>>55249198
The ec are cheating that predator has a dual lc turret

>>55249813
Bligh is dead, they are working on new IA book, Necromunda, HH and they are small team.
So we will get rhino doors and knights heads :(.

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>>55250417

>>55249731
Surely you built your force with 40k in mind as well? I tried to make most of my models so that I can legally field them in 40k as well.

>>55252372
That's very cute.

>>55252421
>not tying yourself to a dying game is cute

Enjoy your useless pieces premium of cancer resin once the whole game goes belly up.

>>55252453
Yeah, that's super, not tell this to the guys that have been their army since forever.

>>55252453
It's cute because it implies anybody could have predicted this shit in advance.

>>55252492
>the guys that have been their army since forever

What?

>>55252497
You telling me people just assumed HH would go on forever? Those people have probably not been following GW for a long time. And why would you tie yourself to a single game, when you can play two games with the same models?

>>55252344
:'3

>>55252602
Sorry, meant to type
>...have been *collecting* their army...

>>55252602
Is this some sort of weird bait? Because you cannot honestly tell me you are this thick.

>>55252652
I think we just have a miscommunication.

>>55252602
Here's the thing, so many people here don't want to reform their lovingly assembled legion stuff into some generic chapter, where half our units are not legal and the other half needs to be extensively reworked.

>>55252693
I don't think so. You're saying people should stop giving a shit about their background, ignore their legion structure and abandon the unique feel of Horus Heresy while I'm saying this is an awful proposal.
Seems pretty clear to me.

>>55252717
Got legion tactical squads, support squads and heavy support squads? Put them into mixed units and you got tactical squads. Despoilers? Assault squads without jump packs. Power weapon marines? Vanguard and sergeants. Combi-weapon marines? Sternguard and sergeants. Malcador, lightning, etc.? Flyer/Super-Heavy detachment. If you got traitors, CSM will make things even easier. You can even have your all out 20 man bolter squads, as well as special weapon squads and heavy weapon squads.

All without needing to start breaking actual models down. Volkites and non-SW loyalist terminators will be a problem, for sure. But other than that, with a little bit of creativity, there shouldn't be much in the way of using your models in 40k.

How many times has GW changed 40k armies and made people's "lovingly assembled" models illegal or obsolete? Plenty. I know I got a bunch of models that I can't use in 40k right now, even though they've been legal for ages.

>>55252740
No, that's not at all what I'm saying, ergo we have a miscommunication.

>>55252818
Except none of the unique legion squads, breachers, tacsup squads, three quarters of the HQ list, an endless list of tank variants, primarchs, named characters, vast chunks of the armory or unique forms of army assembly like the RoWs will ever work out.
And heaven help you if you play anything outside marines, you are *really* fucked then.

>>55252818
Nothing about this is anything like the legion lists, so, yeah, that's a shitty idea.

>>55252818
What now illegal models exactly do you have?

>>55252890
>can't use 30k units and rules as is in 40k

No shit.

>if you play anything outside marines, you are *really* fucked then.

Army can just use Guard rules, daemons can use daemon rules. Mechanicum does have problems outside of heavy proxying. Isn't IA14 suppose bring some stuff to 40k?

>>55252912
Well, then you're forced to just play 30k for how long that'll last.

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So Vulcan will reach Terra but will not fight in Siege. The fuck?

>>55253121
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nick kyme

>>55253121
Russ was on Terra and fucked off for retard reasons which ended up getting 90% of his legion dead.

Primarchs aren't the smartest.

>>55253211
>Using Russ as the standard for intelligence
Found your mistake.

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>>55253121

>>55253251
What's this from?

>>55253354
Fallout 3 ending where you, a human, have to walk into a deadly radiation chamber to do a thing. You can order your radiation immune mutant friend into the chamber to do it for you but he just waffles something about destiny so you have to die.

until the DLC retcons your death

>>55253354
Ending of Fallout 3. You have to go into a chamber flooded with radiation to save everyone. It's either you (good ending) or another character (bad ending). Fawked is immune to radiation, but asking him to do it just makes him ramble about "muh destiny."

>>55252917
Muh lasgun Eldar Guardians

>>55252917
Combi-weapons and storm bolters on Guard officers, lasgun sergeants, laspistol & CCW veterans, techpriest options beyond a melta bomb, SW exterminators, sonic terminators, jump pack canoness come to mind off the top of my head for units that existed but do not anymore.

While you can use the Index for now, it doesn't look good that Land Speeders can't take, for example, 2 heavy bolters, conversion beamers are gone, terminator librarian can't take a storm shield, and techpriest can't take a bike. Technically not illegal, yet, but who knows about the future.

>>55254658
Rough Riders without lances.

>>55254658
Wolf Guard Battle Leader in Terminator Armor with Heavy Weapons.

I want my BS5 Assault Cannon and/or Heavy Flamer armed HQ back!

Guys, the game's not dead. There are more and more narrative events all over the place, with higher attendances every year, and they're still better than any 40k event I've seen.

Releases are going to be painfully slow, but FW was getting sloppy. They really do need to step back and sort themselves out.

>>55253121
I'm guessing there'll be a Webway breach into the palace and Vulkan will be there to help out.

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>all this talk off HH being dead
>trying to make HH work with different 8th codices

I remember when I decided to finally get involved with the modeling/army building side of 40k back in 2012 (not that I've done much since) and picking a codex was really hard, just couldn't find what worked for me. Looked at all the different marine ones including CSM and was thinking about doing a custom chapter.

Was tinkering around with fluff for them, color schemes , but also tactics. Like the idea of units being able to do well in both cc and ranged and would end up coming to love the idea of decapitation strikes. Drop pods and teleport assault terminators we're something that really caught my eye and just seemed like such a cool thing.

But then I got to the point of whose Gene seed they bear. Because of this I began looking into both traitor and loyalist but for some reason came to a stop on the Black Legion/Horus. Something about them sounded cool so I looked about and then someone recommended reading Horus Rising.

Well thanks to that book, I had really come to love the Luna Wolves, yet there was very little about them. Began trying to see how to replicate them as a force and stumbled upon Forge World's Horus Heresy expansion.

Maybe it was the presentation, the setting or maybe it was the insane amount of options we got, but something clicked with them and I found it hard to look at any other marine codex (was actually pretty excited for traitor legions back in 7th but then came 8th)

For me currently, no other space marine rule set will feel right as this was essentially the codex I started with.

Sorry for the blog post, but does anyone else feel similar in that this codex feels very different amongst marines for some reason than say Elysean Drop troops or DKoK army compared to regular guard

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WHEN DO I GET TO KILL HORUS

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>>55256020
>Russ
>Killing anyone
Pick one

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>>55256140
He killed Magnus so hard his soul shattered.

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>>55256666

>>55256666
Killed Magnus so hard he was able to teleport his legion halfway across the galaxy and become a daemon prince?

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>>55256666
>get rekt by Magnus
>your dogs attack Magnus
>you backkick Magnus in spine when he is fighting your dogs
>muh victory

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>>55256140

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>>55257360
And IH belive that Ferrus will return to them one day.

>>55257360
>10k yrs later
>some say
>absolutely no record
>only witnesses under such a binding oath they wouldn't speak of them despite going traitor
>first primarch death - Ferrus - was a shock to all as nobody really believed any could be truly killed

>>55257360
>"Some say"
>t. Reman Luss

>>55257360
>"We lost two" is somehow a lower point than the Horus Heresy
Fake news.

>>55257462
It's almost if the writers have no idea what they're doing.

>>55257395
>implying one of Ferrus' clones won't bust free from Fulgrim for the end times

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>tfw still don't exist

>>55257725
>what are dark age surviving helots of abhuman nature

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>>55257725
Squats are already in Age of Sigmar. Soon.

>>55257360
>A chart like it's the stock market or some shit
INVEST IN PRIMARCHS NOW

>>55258405
>tfw invested in Ferrus Manus shares

>>55258459
Now now, don't lose your head. Things may look full grim, but manus up and we can iron things out. I'll give you a hand.

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Lion model when?

>>55259028
After Dorn, Alpharius and Papa Sang.

>>55257360
This is just mere propagada.

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>>55254695
Can rough riders be used in 30k? Don't think they are in the militia list, what a shame.

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>>55253121
Pls no. Just die already Vulkan. I would just prefer if he went missing after Isstvaan and never written about ever again.

>>55259319
Perpetyals were a mistake.
Well Black Library's Horuse Heresy is mistake.

>>55259273
No. Maybe xeno-mounts using Ogryn rules (since they're suppose to represent a wide variety of big things).

>>55259338
Agreed. The three first books are really good however imo.

>>55259376
Yess, that could work, good idea!

>>55259273

No, see >>55239908
The list basically exists to provide Squats, and 2pt Rending Zealots. For anything else it is just woeful.
Some easy changes that would radically change my opinion of the list:
> A Platoon/Tercio/Cadre struture
> Recon squads bigger than 5
> A Dedicated Transport cheaper than 275pts
> An anti-tank weapon that is not mounted on a tank

Minor issues would include a Loyalist-exclusive Provenance to counter Mutie Cults, and some more variety in the units available. There is so much scope for cavalry, shocktroopers, jump/jets etc that just aren't present.
The squads are surprisingly boring and mono-build for what is supposed to be the most diverse fighting force in the war. 5 different flavours of Lasgun is groovy but a bit moot when I can't take any fucking grenade launchers.

>>55259409
Shame power lances aren't generic power weapons in 30k. I guess power sword rules could be used for some alien beast riding lancers?

What are worst things that Black Library put into Horus Heresy.
Perpetuals?
Cabal?
"Numbered Mistakes"?
Primarchs are children with autism?
Chaos is best stepdad nad winner?

>>55259452
Yes.

>>55259445
Ye, I assume you could house rule them as power swords.

>>55259319
>that pic
>When you can't fight the manlets because they're in under your gorget's blindspot

>>55259960
kek

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I imagine this is a stupid question, but if HH is staying with 7th ed and modifying it some, is it worth Getting the rulebooks in the event they make a new core ruleset for it? Is it even worth starting the game as it is currently?
There doesn't seem to be a community where I am anyway, so I was hoping to build a HH Mechanicum force and wait for Fires of Cyraxus, I just like the models.

>>55260057
If you're not going to be playing 30k you don't need 30k rulebooks. FW is releasing their own 7E rulebook since the old one is out of print.

>>55260339
I hope this will be little modified 7th ed, not copy and paste from old rulebook.

>>55260382
You're going to be disappointed.

>>55260057
Certainly don't get the 40k rulebook, since that'll soon (?) be replaced by FW's HH equivalent.

The Mechanicum red book is probably worth getting. There's a scanned copy around here but it's low-res. The book is from early last year, prior to the release of Book 6: Retribution... that means it's starting to get old, but I don't really think they'll update it until early 2019 so they can insert the Dark Mechanicum units added in Book 8: Angelus (which is due 12/2018).

Whether the game is worth getting into right now depends on events in your area. The podcasts (and their Facebook pages) can help with that. They tend to be growing but some travel is required. Personally, I was excited by 8th ed. 40k when it was announced, but I'm not so sure anymore. For all of 7th's bloat issues, I find it still results in more interesting battles, especially with HH's limited scoring units (which dates back to 6th, or was it 5th?).

>>55206716
God that gun looks like straight ass

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>>55261895
>hates big machine gun with a perforated barrel shrouds

>>55211921
Alfa Leejun, Ravens, Iron Warriors and Death Guard work well as infantry heavy forces because the LA rules either allow them to bear incoming fire a little easier or get them closer to the enemy.

Iron Hands are also hella resilient but you're missing out on their tanks, so what's the point?

>>55211921
Space Wolves and Blood Angels also work, the latter with jump packs and the Day of Relevation rite of war. Space Wolves have a bonus to running and they have strangely inexpensive weapons upgrades on their troops choice. You're probably noticing that infantry shouldn't be taken unless they're benefitting from something.

It works best with Death Guard and Iron Warriors, imo, because they can defend as all-infantry. Set up a firebase with a few shooty Terminators (which only they have) to defend your heavy tactical dudes and you'll have enough firepower that your opponent has to go after them, but your other dudemans are in the way.

The other legions need to get as close to the enemy as quickly as possible and rush them. Doesn't work as well if they're in cover.

>>55211921
Depending on the build in question, most legions can pull it off. The best would be the ones >>55262030 and >>55262102
mention: Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Blood Angels, Iron Warriors, Death Guard and Space Wolves.
They're all either tough, fast, or have sneaky ways to work without needing transports. Alpha Legion is the versatile in that regard. Most of the others tend to use swarm and/or jump infantry tactics, but Alphas can mix things up a bit more.

Oh fuck, and Thousand Sons. Sons are kinda OP and can be more versatile than even Alpha Legion since they can mix and match tactics across their list, whereas Alphas only get to choose 1 bonus and Raven Guard get one or another bonuses depending on the unit type.

Does anyone have experience with swarmy Word Bearers lists? I feel like they're supposed to field lots o' bodies, but I can't really see their tactics helping much in that regard. They can buddy up with Daemons, though.

And don't forget Black Shields. You can have an entire army of T5 badasses marching towards your enemy and backed up by T6 jetbikes.

>>55260493
What podcasts and which ones for NA?

>>55244304
>>55244310
What's so good about the jetbikes?

>>55263009
The pre-eminent US-based Heresy podcast is Radio Free Isstvan, with hosts from South Texas, Indiana, and Kentucky. They always go over events that people have emailed info about, and sometimes people call in asking if anyone knows of 30k activity in whatever place they're in.

The Combat Phase isn't 30k-specific but does the most Black Library author interviews of all the podcasts. They're somewhere in the Great Lakes area, I think?

My personal favorite is Age of Darkness, with hosts in Ottowa, Montreal, and Wales.

The granddaddy of them all is the Eye of Horus out of Brisbane, Australia. Lots of international event shout-outs there, too.

Sons of Heresy and Geno Five-Two are good ones out of the UK. The Imperial Truth too, but I'm not as big on that one.

Sweden has the Varangian Heresy, Northern Heresy, and Don't Loose Your Head (sic) podcasts, which is crazy.

Others... Covenant of Fire (Tennessee), Spacemen With Guns (US/UK I think), Legion of Lies (UK), Loaded Dice (Aus.), and I'm sure I'm missing someone.

>>55263169
>My personal favorite is Age of Darkness
I'm only subscribed to them for the painting advice segments. Myles is a cool dude but the other two guys are obnoxious morons. JP's weird forced laugh makes me cringe every time.

>>55253251
My sides

>>55260382
I was hoping for this too, I like where 7th ed Horus Heresy is generally, I'd just like to see some of the 5th edition stuff come back that the first legions were developed under, like assaulting from reserves.

>>55202961
>Unless you play zone mortalis, you're going to get stomped by artillery and phosphex spam

How do you think a Drop Pod army would do vs all the artillery spam fags out there?

>>55263725
Drop Pods and Superheavies are like their hard counters.

>>55261959
On a mechanicum robot? Yes.

>>55263169
Radio Free Isstvan is good...but it's actually Ryan Kimmel that's good, the other main host kinda sucks and doesn't add much to Ryan's stories/list ideas. I even started listening to Ryan's Dark Age podcast because he's just so damn great at talking.

>>55263169
I know Imperial Truth well. Not sure that's a good thing.

>>55257395
gentleman we have the technology to rebuild him

>>55263333
I like JP, but I can see where you're coming from.

>>55220300
see >>55220726

>"Bunch of dumb kids. Wear your fucking helmets, if anyone should know what headshots can do it should be these punks"

>>55263486
That's one of the rings I want to see return, would make some things like reavers and the black reavings seem more worth it, and deep striking terminators (with OA) would probably be worth it too

>ForgeWorld remakes 7th rules sometime next year
>Turns out people like them far better than the current 8th Ed rules
>Everyone floods back to the HH to play a more balanced game

I really hope this fucking happens

>>55268161
Wasn't 7th main issue codex balance?
Like "Here are your's Eldar with 20 D shots per phase on 1000 points playing against some I2 BS2 Orks".

Any of you guys know of any PDF database where there is a scan of the Horus Heresy Painting Masterclass?

>>55268220
>Codex Balance
That and and there being way to many rules albiet, 8th is sort of falling in that direction with each codex having different army rules etc...

7th still featured the issue core issue of assault being fairly trash due to randomness and pretty much only having one way to do it (armored transport for said assault unit)

The one thing I am liking about 8th is that GW does seem to be trying to do frequent updates to fix stuff so I do give them credit there, 7th was just so deep in issues there was no real way to FAQ it

I also wouldn't mind them keeping vehicles having a toughness value provided they kept firing arcs a thing

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>>55268161
>forgeworld
>balance
Pick one.

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How are you suppose to do attack bikes, when the gunner has MkVII legs? Are the legs in similar pose to the rider, so could you cut the MkVII legs off the seat and put, say, CSM biker legs in without too much of a hassle to make a MkVI gunner? Can you even mount a sidecar to a scout bike (like the one used in the FW bikes) or will it only work with the GW bike?

FAQ and updated red books when?

>>55268769
Dead game, Sell your army. Thanks FW!

>>55268444
>REEE I can't kill an enemy model in challenges
So just avoid it or shoot at it. Do you also complain that you can't kill Angron and red butchers in close combat? Just shoot the guy he isn't any harder to shoot down than a regular shield captain. Hell the enemy is spending 265 points on him, probably like 800 point when you consider his entourage (unless he joins like 3 bog standard custodes in which case just shoot him with some artillery, high strength, or low AP weapons). Honestly I would be more worried about Curze, Corax, or when he comes out Sanguinius since they have actual mobility, or generic praetors since they can take jump packs or jetbikes. With this guy just shoot and avoid him like you would any killy character, if he teleports next to you move away and shoot him.

Hell most legions could tie him up in CC without too much difficulty, salamanders could use firedrakes with a chaplain, Iron Hands and Imperial Fists can similarly get 3++ terminators, EC have their 2++ relic which they can throw on a jetbike praetor to tie him up, Iron Warriors can just burn everything down with phosphex, etc. Any legion that could stick a chaplain with Imperial Militia could potentially tie up him and a small bodyguard by simply having too many wounds for him to chew through, Imperial Militia Ogryn can be made toughness 6 with combat shields and boarding shields also making them a good unit to tie him up. Solar Auxilia Charonite squads can ID his bodyguards with their super rending CC weapons (also strength 6 so that's nice), and mechanicum has Ursurax who can ID the tribune's entourage and are resilient enough to survive the initial engagement. Scyllax joined by someone with rad grenades can lower his and his unit's toughness to 3.

There are OP units in 30k but a simple more resilient praetor with fewer damage and mobility options isn't one of them, especially when he costs 135 points less than Angron, 115 points less than Fulgrim, 10 points less than Valdor

>>55220300
As an EC player I give everyone helmets but tend to give the grunts default helmets and the sergeants (and vets and elites) the fancy EC specific helmets.

>>55258577
Made me smile

>>55263169
The 30k sweden scene seems legit

>>55268447
>>55268447
Stud and cable the legs up and call it mkV.

>>55270943
>using mkV
Please, I have some respect for my marines.

>>55270909
its in ONE city no less. meanwhile you get to stockholm, and its just me and 3 other autists (2 who play only 40k armies) :(

Thinking of making a small loyalist lists. Should I do
>Space Sharks using Blacksheilds rules
>Space Wolves 13th company

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>>55270243
I do have all my models with helmets, but mohawk scouts are nice.

>>55271428
Space sharks because wolves are gay.

>>55271236
M
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>>55271516
grenade attacks/10

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>>55271050
Eh, I understand, you don't like biG sTuDs.

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>>55271428
Surely space sharks are post-Heresy.

What about dark skinned island SW?

>>55271673
Proto-space sharks. It's all but confirmed that one of the exiled terran raven guard fleets are the carcharodons.

>>55271673
What this >>55271744
anon said

>>55271744
Aren't those the Raptors you're thinking about?

>>55271437
I fail to see what's so gay about some large, long haired, hormonally manipulated men filling each other with geneseed.

>>55271807
No. Those are the result of Corax trying to speed up the geneseed process before he got meme'd on by Alpharius. Space Sharks are all but confirmed to be a Pale Nomads fleet that was exiled by Corax pre-heresy

>>55271673
>What about dark skinned island SW?
As everyone has said, that's the Terran Raven Guard dudes that Corax got rid of because he didn't like them.

But... kraken themed SW are a great idea. They can use kraken beak weapons instead of 'frost' blades, whale or shark teeth decorations, WHFB Dark Elf bits, power tridents...

>>55271985
Leman Russ' axe is made of kraken teeth, and I believe there was a krakan tooth sword relic in 7E.

So guys,
Which legion(s) do you collect ? How many points do you have ? And what's your futur project

I own :
3000p of Iron Warriors (90% are painted)
3000p of Emperor's Children (fully painted)
And I plan to build a shattred legion list with Salamanders/Raven Guard and Iron Hands

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>>55268447
I will be trying these legs out. They'll probably only work on the driver, but we'll see. Honestly, it's not the end of the world if the gunner has Mk VII legs but a more period-appropriate torso. Not that it'll be very visible. You can only really see the head, arms, and backpack. If you're doing Mk IV, the Pintle Weapon set has 5 sets of arms, but I don't think there's a source of Mk II or Mk III arms in that position. I'm doing Mk II so I'm stuck with the Mk VII arms.

Also, I wish the Pintle Weapon set came with more than 2 multimeltas.

The sidecar does fit on the outrider bike, but you'll have pretty much zero ground clearance. Are we supposed to put these things on bases? If so, don't put any basing material on before the bike.

>>55268220
And formations, but that was specific to 40k.

>>55268356
8th ed. just embarrassed itself with the NOVA Invitational final match being determined by the first turn die roll. I mean it - the player who lost the roll called it right there. Didn't even start.

But you're right, GW does seem willing to fix things now so there's hope. Until then, I'm fine staying in 7th.

You guys still getting cucked by 7E?

>>55272077
3000 points of IF
3 bikers of WS
1 HQ and 1 apothecary of BA
1000 points of Custodes

>>55272077
Around 1650 points of IF
2000 points of Talons
2000 point of newly acquired SoH

>>55272082

Kromtech stuff sucks,do not fit 40-30k at all

>>55271744
Every single Space Sharks thread there's one guy who insists that they're loyalist Night Lords because they're scary and their geneseed makes them pale with black eyes. (even though the latter is just a trait of native Nostroman recruits and not part of Curze's geneseed but is a natural trait of the Raven Guard)

Honestly I can't stand this meme.
>chapter has an unknown origin and they share X trait with a traitor legion
>they must secretly have traitor geneseed

>>55272082
>Not that it'll be very visible.

But I'll know! It'll haunt me forever...

>I'm stuck with the Mk VII arms

Why not use CSM tank crew arms? That's what I gave my MkII tankers. Shame the CSM legs pass as MkV tops. I'll just have to close my eyes and think of the Emperor whenever I look at them.

>>55272409
Their "MkII" legs without all the extra plating are way more MkII than anything FW has made. If those biker legs came without that plate on the greaves, I'd have a bunch of MkII bikers.

>>55272364
>Newly acquired SoH
Care to share what that stuff was? Was there any drop pods?

>>55272423
>Why not use CSM tank crew arms?
Hmm, didn't think to check the CSM range. Doesn't sound like something that's easy to find, but I'll look!