EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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Second for Red artifacts

>>55154427
>Jank
I define jank as intentionally suboptimal combos or interaction that, in magical christmasland, can lead to winning the game.

My favorite jank interaction is Mirrorweave with control magic and cyclonic rift. It's not a very good combo, but I literally stole someone's creakwood liege and swung for exponential damage into an empty boardstate, and I've been obsessed with pulling it off ever since.

Aetherize is also jank, same with Aetherspouts, because while they're effective, they have a hilarious chance of backfiring.

>>55154507
Pretty much what he said in my opinion. Shit that isnt optimal but tends to be more fun or wonderland.

My new favorite if from the last thread and its pestilence demon, nightshade peddler, and scythe of the wretched. Something about getting all three pieces together in my gitrog deck gives me a massive erection

>>55154427
>How do you feel about jank? What defines the term for you, and is there ever a call for it?
Jank is anything that implies you go out of your way to do something
EDH is a jank format and non-jank decks are poop

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Post pet cards.

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>>55154780
Just checking something.

>>55154780
>The JvV one doesn't have the watermark

What is with them not doing the watermarks in weird places?

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>>55154427
Mairsil has been difficult to make work for me.
It's always been difficult for me to purposely weaken my decks, so taking out things like Sage of hours and Tree of Perdition makes me feel like I'm limiting myself to "Durdle on the table for 3 hours before winning outright or slowly chocking to death" type games.
He can be a very strong all-purpose commander with some mean removal capabilities, but if you play him before he can cage some good protection, or if the entire table is hating on you, then he can be really difficult to get going and I have to rely on a shit ton of boardwipes to stall the game.

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>>55154780
So Vraska is after treasure because gorgons.

>>55154980
>Mairsil has been difficult to make work for me.
hasn't even been out for a week give it time sperg

>>55155001
Apperanly grixis dragon made a deal with her to find an artifact of absolute power to help him become a god again and in return he will help Vraska with..... i dunno destroy ravnica? kill jace?

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>>55154780
>"I used Cavern of Souls to cast it, you can't counter it."
>tell him to read the card

>>55155007
A week is practically twice as long when you don't sleep, anon.

>>55155017
She doesn't want to destroy Ravnica, just the Azorius and Boros.

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>>55154448
Aren't you forgetting somone?

>>55154448
I see you are also a man of exceptional taste

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>>55155065
What the fuck that had Kurkesh as the thumbnail for some reason.

>>55155100
Maybe if you didn't save all your images as "Image"

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>no visible spiking price since the announcement


glad the hype is dying

>>55155149
I mean, Djeru already exists.

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Don't suppose /edhg/ could take a look at my rat deck and give a few suggestions?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-08-17-USC-rats/

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>>55155206
Nice tribe, anon.
It'd be a shame if something... happened to it.

>>55155149
Glad the hype is dying too, just waiting for everyone getting themselves disappointed by investing on Reki.

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>>55154448
Red can't into control. It's not a control color. Stop posting!!

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>>55155242
At least post something that's actually scary for the deck.

>>55155256
Anyone that bought him bulk when he was $1 will be laughing all the way to the bank. There's no way he's settling down less than $5.

would any two precons work 1v1?

>>55155314
No.

Some of them, especially in C13, were absolute garbage.

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>>55155279
It's not even for Rat/Apostle Hate. I just loving forcing them to shuffle.

>>55155312
Yeah, at 5$ its pretty much where he'll be at. Whoever got him at 1$ really won't feel bad, I'm talking about fools who just jumped on the bandwagon and are pretty much burning their cash on 10$ Reki's.

>>55155314
>>55155324
Also some, like Edgar or Yidris, are much stronger in 1v1 especially.

>>55155100
How are these guys red? The Chain Veil is obviously a Black artifact and "dark arts" doesn't sound too red to me.

>>55155449
You'd have to be retarded to "invest" when he's already $10+. I'd imagine anyone buying him at $10 are the ones who want to actually play him and don't have the patience to wait for him to eke his way back down, or were afraid he'd spike higher.

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>>55154780
This and Venser, Shaper Savant. I love unconventional ways to deal with spells.

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>>55155556

>tfw Bought Galina for derpy sea monster deck
>Look at the price today

>>55155264
It can though. Land Destruction is the best kind of control. Boros is the color of MLD, not aggro, my friend.

>>55155592
I almost want to do a dickass mono-U Ertai deck that focuses on "fuck you" effects like that one. Not just straight Counterspells, but stuff that really hustles people's jimmies.

>>55154507
>>55154555
Yeah, suboptimal, high chance of backfiring or just "entirely too elaborate" is how I'd define jank.

So stuff like the megaphase combo before the rules change would be jank, and I'd call "inalla + panharmonicon + flameshadow + etb wizard" to be sorta jank as it is magic christmasland best case scenario even if its what the deck wants to be.

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>>55155312
What about this shit then? Where's the price going to settle?

I need ways to make it absolutely miserable to play creatures, like Thalia 1.0 but for creature spells

>>55155722
Tainted aether

>>55155722
Topor orb. Will stop 80% of relevant commander creatures

>>55155705
Maybe $3. It was cheaper than Reki to start with and has fallen faster than he has in the same timeframe. It'll settle lower too, I'd expect.

Is sisay going below 30 or should I just cut my losses and buy?

>>55155856

Wait.

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>>55155705
Really shows that speculators dont actually play the game, that card is hot garbage, any ramp advantage you would have gained is lost because it comes into play tapped

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>>55154427
What is /tg/'s opinion of storage lands?

>>55155913

Not to mention the mana can't be spent on anything but legendaries, it's awful

>have a Sisay from ages ago
>actually want to build a GW "fuck you" deck
>the rest of a Sisay deck would be monstrously expensive

Fuck. Who's another good GW "fuck you" commander? Besides Teeg, I know about him.

>>55155913
Yeah, if it let you get out Lilliana turn two I could see it being a thing, but it can't because she needs BB

>>55155916
Bad.

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Scarab God Anon here once again to ask advice.

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-ub-zombies/

I cut cards down in order to make it fit, and what got cut was Stax. I cut Stax and refocused the deck on UB Combo/Control. I still have plenty of removal and answers for keeping scarab god out, but don't really expect scarab god to stay out without Stax to slow the game.

Is there anything horribly wrong with the deck? Any advice? In particular I'm looking at the land base now.

>>55155705
That card is hot garbage. Just pure garbage water. Why are people buying it? Just because?

>>55155942
Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist
Sigarda, Host of Herons

>>55155916
Worse than a basic land by a lot.

>>55155970
>"Wow, it's really expensive, it must be really good!"
>"The price is gonna go up forever! Here comes the gravy train!"

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>>55155970

It's an investment bro

>>55155916
They seem a little slow, its basically paying 2 mana for 1 mana (1 mana + tapping the land to add a counter) it works for some fixing and it at least lets you add 1 colorless but its pretty slow

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>>55154780
Mine

>>55155916
Good if you're playing battlecruiser.

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>>55155916
gud jank in Atraxa

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>>55155991
Why wouldn't they just buy a Juazum Djinn or anything else on the reserved list that has literally never gone down in value by any significant amount? Buy some Mox, buy a doubling season, buy a promo sol ring/demonic tutor for fucks sake. I swear it's just a bunch of teenagers investing their lunch money, and a few big ticket dicks investing in the stupidity of their audience.

>>55154947
this is the wordiest and grossest way to make call of the haunted

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>>55154780

>>55156071
It predates Call of the Haunted by a good 5 years.

>>55156049
Because those cards almost never fluctuate in price and you'd have to wait a very long time to get a significant return on your investment.
This way they can just buyout a couple dozen cards, sell them at ~twice the price for a quick buck then call it a day.
I mean look at Honor-Worn Saku, a whole TWENY CENT increase.
Literally double the price.

>>55155973
>Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist
How's that? Seems like more of a Voltron deck, unless I'm missing something.

>>55155017
Jace-tice ain't dead ?

>>55156108
The cheap HWS are all either Out of Stock or Heavily Played. The actual available ones are around $3 at least.

>>55156049
It's delayed gratitude. People don't want to actually invest, they want to gamble.
>>55156071
>Call of the Haunted on a card that can't be destroyed by card effect
>Call of the Haunted that can be activated at SS1 and stick around or SS2 and remove itself
They're different cards.

>>55155970
I'm going to try to trade mine away this FNM before it crashes

>>55156108
But you're missing the point.

Who wants this garbage? Worst comes to worst, someone pays half the price of the doubled cost, which is exactly what you paid for the original. Card shops are smart enough not to buy them in the first place, like with smuggler's copters when they were $20, because they actually play magic. It strikes me as fundamentally flawed.

>>55156149
it's a hatebear deck

>>55156171
None of the Gatewatch died. Jace got mind-wiped, Nissa got a bit strangled, Gideon got a hole in his chest but he's basically a brick, Liliana's just sad. Chandra's the closest to death with a few broken ribs and losing blood.

>>55156071
It's actually more of a Premature Burial.

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>>55155962
Why Dispel?

>>55154780
pic

>>55156088
My NIGGA

>>55156208
>Worst comes to worst, someone pays half the price of the doubled cost, which is exactly what you paid for the original.

That's not the likely endgame though. People that bought Honor Worn Shakus for $0.20 will be selling them for at least $2 when the price settles. People that paid $1 for Reki will be selling them for $5. People that paid $5 for Sisay will be selling them for $20.

They didn't double the price and then people are willing to pay half, they multiplied it by 10x and then paying 4x or 5x for it will seem reasonable at the end.

>>55155962

>No Jin Gitaxias
>No Sheoldred
>No Buried Alive
>No Reanimation

Half of the fun in zombies is the reanimator part. Entombing a JinGitaxias before your turn starts so you can put a Scarab token of it it's glorious. Also it's not even it's strongest use

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>>55154780

>>55155556
You would be surprised if you only knew what I've seen.

>>55156217
That makes more sense. Huh, neat. I've never done hatebears, guess there's a first time for everything

>>55156280
I didn't include much bring back from graveyard effects since my general does that anyway, besides phyrexian reclamation for things that aren't creatures.

Jin Gitaxias and Buried Alive are now on my "definite maybe" list now however.

>>55156252
>Why Dispel?
Mainly to protect my general from instant speed removal.

>>55156208
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONOR-WORN-SHAKU-X4-4-4X-Champions-of-Kamigawa-MTG-Magic-the-Gathering-DJMagic-/391867983518?epid=1032033665&hash=item5b3d26e69e:g:nQ8AAOSwWLFZmSJB

>$20 for 4 Honor-Worn Shaku
>7 sold
>This store has made over $100 in profit already

People aren't as smart with their money as you may hope. The buyouts work and that's why they keep happening. Pretending people doing it are shooting themselves in the foot is wishful thinking.

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>>55156252

Torment is a cool set

>>55156032
Gemstone Array seems like the better choice for this desu
And Astral Cornucopia is better than both

So I have a question. I have a maelstrom wanderer deck and just moved away from a playgroup that was always in an active arms race. My wanderer has 95% of the things you'd expect and I don't have the cash to get a new lower power deck and didn't move with anything but my rares. I went to a store to play commander on a casual night and felt bad immediately overpowering many new players. Is switching out maelstrom wanderer from commander and putting in Surrak adequate in adjusting the strength of the deck and (I feel like a lot of my get free stuff synergy is gone from this change) still making it playable enough as a temur good stuff deck or do you guys think I'll still be too much for newer players to keep up with? For a frame of reference I had a progenitor mimic on a kioras follower and the players I played with allowed me to get to ten kioras followers with double lands (I was trying my best to pull my punches with this happening) before anyone thought to deal with the stuff I was doing.

>>55156315
What have you seen?

>>55156367
>>55156269
Sweet Beelzebub's trumpet people are dumb. Well, maybe I'm the dumb one for consistently knowing what's going to be bought out and not raking in the cash.

bit of a new player so bear with me

>opp has 3/3 on board
>I bolt it
>he chains an instant that gives 0/+4
>I chain a second bolt in response

does the first bolt kill, causing his spell to fizzle and then my first bolt to fizzle or does he end up with a 3/1?

>>55156536
why would you chain second bolt? it would have 7 life, and you're dealing 6 damage

>>55156548
but doesn't the chained bolt go off before his buff which causes his creature to die? This is why I'm asking

>>55156532
If you really want a bad time, take a stroll down the completed listings for Untaidake.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Untaidake-the-Cloud-Keeper-Land-Champions-of-Kamigawa-Mtg-Magic-Rare-1x-x1-/151975167287?hash=item23626d0537:g:umQAAOSw4HxZpmDg

6 sold at $15 already.

>>55156559

Did you play a second bolt with his spell on the stack? If yes, then the creature dies
if not and his stuff already resolved, too late m8

>>55156536
The creature is dead but the stack resolves in last spell on the stack is the first to resolve. So the second bolt you cast kills it and the rest of the spells on the stack fizzle. But the way they would resolve is 2nd bolt, 0/+4, 1st bolt

>>55156578
>>55156577

Yeah I meant to say 2nd bolt goes off first. Thanks

>>55156577
The use of the word "chain" implies that these were all on the same stack. I'm wondering, though, how he had two bolts in a singleton format.

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>>55156567
Why are you making me miserable?

Also, do people buy magic cards on ebay? I think I'm going to actually buy some stupid nonsense, but I just don't know where to sell it.

>>55156479
Just cut mana ramp and replace it with big thinks that you can cascade into. You're in a more laid back group so slow your deck down a bit and you can run even more big Timmy cards but give everyone else a chance to play theirs too.

>>55156611
babbling book

>>55156611
Twincast?

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Finally builded pic related and hoyl fuck is he fun, maybe i'll post a decklist earlier for interested

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I got this as a near last pick in a Kami draft couple years ago, now I'm trading up bigly!

>>55156536
The bear dies due to your spell resolving first. The most recently cast spell is the one that the stack resolves first, with the other two fizzling due to illegal targeting.

>>55156617
Well there are some more experienced players that gave me judging looks for my wanderer as commander. I'm pretty sure my deck will work with Surrak as pilot, I'm just curious if you guys would think this pulls the punch enough to give other people a chance to play.

>>55156616
If you're buying pricey singles, you can get better deals on eBay. If you're buying bulk cheap cards, it's smarter to buy from something like TCGPlayer.

I buy from eBay all the time and I've only had a single thing actually go wrong, where the seller had some Paypal issue that prevented the payment from going through so they didn't ship the card. I didn't even end up losing the money for it, it basically just didn't happen.

>>55156640
Hope you can get in before the bottom falls out.

>>55155160
Djeru is kind of trash though.

>>55156669
I'll trade 'down', maybe at $7, ha!

>>55156688
Yeah. The point is that there wasn't really any reason for people to go in on >>55155149 because people already had Djeru in hand to know that it wouldn't be great.

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>>55156611

probably EDH is the less threatening mtg thread

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>>55156611
http://magiccards.info/query?q=bolt+t%3A%22instant%22&v=card&s=cname

There are a lot of Bolts, anon.

>>55156812
And not a single one of them played in edh hmm

>>55156849
>he doesn't play Zurgo Ding-Dong Burn Dash Bash

>>55156849
I mean, "It isn't played in EDH" isn't really much of a thing. Any random person can play dumb cards in EDH all they want.

>>55156849
Feedback bolt is a pretty viable wincon in a Darietti deck, and prophetic bolt was literally printed in an EDH deck.

>>55156639
I've mad Minotaur edh and want mono red Neheb to finish. I'm using BR Neheb as commander, he does give them all first strike, but I can't use Boros Reckoner, the best Minotaur of all.

Gawd is it a load of jank. I've only taken minotaurs I can justify on the thinnest ground and a few proxy minotaurs like Simaculum and Mimic, but I still only have 25. The history of magic is full of 2/3 minotaurs costing 3 mana, sometimes they have an extra downside. I have a Digeridoo, and some red chaos spells. What a pile of rubbish but it'll be fun.

>>55156688
Well he is still better than Thalia's Lancers. I'd rather have the Urza's Armor effect than first strike.

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>1U Creature: Return up to 2 target creatures to their owner's hand. Sacrifice this Creature.

Pretty good in Inalla.

>>55157095
so 2 mana for:
>2 not overloaded CRs
>2 sac triggers
>2 etb triggers

pretty ok

>>55157174
Also has a fun interaction of re-bouncing itself for 2 mana per bounce.
Getting ETB triggers equal to the number of mana you have isn't the worst thing in the world.

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Is there any way to use this card without your opponent just decking you to death?
Do I need instant speed combo or a Niv-mizzet on the field?

>>55157203
I've had some good fun already by casting this creature while Equilibrium or Cloudstone Curio is in play. With CC you can pay 1U to bounce a creature as much as you like. Or Equilibrium to reuse your other creatures or bounce opponents'.

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>>55154780

>>55157249
>up to 4 cards
They can draw as much as they want in increments of 2 while you can draw 0-4 each time they draw 2.

>>55157249
>Is there any way to use this card

Let me stop you right there. You realize this card is banned, right?

What precon would have the most staple cards for someone new to EDH?

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>>55154780
It's a pretty cute tutor.

>>55157302

probably the monocolored

>>55157302
Any of the monocolored ones with planeswalker generals. Those 5 were all pretty good and included lots of staples for their colors.

>>55157302
Daretti Daretti Rest In Spaghetti has lots of artifacts.

>>55157302
never forgetti daretti

>>55157374
Daretti is best there too cause of the artifact focus

>>55157273
Sheldor rules are for losers, they are not even wotc

>>55157493
Comes with a free Wurmcoil too, I know the thing ain't anything special in EDH but I like it.

>>55157523
Old wurmcoil is still good in edh. It's a value machine, you can't change that

>>55157523
>laughs in Feldon

>>55157174
>>2 not overloaded CRs
2 unsummons you fucking nonce

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>>55156640
it's down to 10 bucks now and it keeps falling


I hope the investors got burned by this

>>55157762
It's kind of hard to get burned from a starting price of $0.50. The people who are actually a problem aren't the ones who were buying it when it was $15.

How many ETBs are there, besides Wanderwine Prophets, that can immediately win you the game after being cloned on-entry by Inalla (no matter the creature type, assuming Conspiracy is up)?

>>55158031
I believe mistbind clique with ashnods altar would allow you to keep tapping people out.

>>55158031
But they need to deal Combat damage first.

All of my UGx decks are feeling so samey that I want to pull them all apart and make something new.

Anyone have a thematic list for Kruphix? Doing the stuff that he likes to do, like make fucktons of mana and draw lots of cards.

>>55158118
That's only a partial win, since they can respond with instant-speed removal right after untapping. Definitely back-breaking, but not really going infinite.

>>55158126
There's usually at least one player on the table that can be attacked. it's effectively still a 1-card OTK.

>>55158031
It makes another infinite mana combo with Palinchron.

>>55158170
You can still cause it to fizzle if its creature removal, as sac to ashnods and clone shenanigans as normal will cause killspell to fizzle, and taps the rest of their lands.

Really, ashnods is the vital piece for many of these combos, you want to take out inalla, combos, you kill the ashnods. Which is why I run thermopod as a backup

Do I only use planeswalkers when they syngergize or are they fine whenever?
I have both Nicky B's lying around and I've never even cast the first one since Alara came out, I was thinking about theowing them into Mairsil.

>>55158299
If you can fit them in without directly cutting core cards, they're usually just always good inclusions.

>>55158267
>Which is why I run thermopod as a backup

Didn't feel like dropping the cash on Phyrexian Altar?

>>55158299
Planeswalkers are much worse in multiplayer because there are more people that can attack them.

>>55158299
If they synergize with your deck go for it. I use Elspeth, Sun's Champion and Xenagos in my Marath deck and they're never a bad card to play.

>>55157523
wurmcoil is great though basically have to kill it twice

>>55158328
Yeah, I'm budgetdeck here. Also the group is basically all of us starting from precons I don't want to go too all in even if I could justify the Paltar

>that guy who always focuses on the same player regardless of the current boardstate or who's ahead
>"I was told it's best to focus on one player in multiplayer games"
>No, it's not, read the board
>"Stop trying to do politics, anon"
>is still attacking me and using removal on whatever I play when I have no board left and the Daxos player is assembling on army of 15/15 flying spirits

>>55158299
Karn and Ugin are good in R/B/RB to deal with Enchantments.

is my curve too fucked up?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-08-17-scarab-god-zombies/

>>55158410
id attack you too just to watch you sperg out

>>55158450
Man I remember when people were super assblasted about Karn being a colorless general. Good times.

>>55158410
>flying
Akroma's Memorial or Abzan Falconer?
Daxos's spirits don't have flying on their own.

>>55158464
*colorless planeswalker

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>>55158454

>>55158466
Well motherfucker, that Daxos player was a scumbag. He never said they had flying but everyone just assumed because he'd go
>Do you have anything that flies? No? I attack you with two spirits
I'm even more mad than before at this clusterfuck of a game.

>>55158450
I use Karn and Ugin in Azusa to kill dudes.

>>55158493
Holy shit, that is mindgames on the next level.

>>55158466
>Abzan Falconer
That doesn't work either because the spirits have X/X and not X +1/+1 counters

>>55158493
>can't read the cards

lel, i'm glad the other anon targetted you instead. they were probably in it together to watch you sperg

>>55158545
Cathar's Crusade is a common enchantment in daxos, it was implied

>>55155916
Usually bad unless you plan on Proliferating a bunch.

>>55158549
>"Shouldn't you do something about the Daxos player instead of focusing on me? He's way ahead."
>sperging out

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>>55158565
Ah ok, that makes sense

>>55158591
Even on Atraxa it seems a bit underwhelming, I'd rather use pic related's cycle. It's at least a budget choice.

What is Jank?

>>55156849
Time to build a Lightning Bolt tribal deck just to prove you wrong.

>>55158678
doing something that should be easy in like a shitty slow hard way

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>>55158678
this is Jank.

>>55157762
Plummeting fast! It'll be a dollar again by the weekend.

>>55158678
unreliable and often convoluted combo/board scenario that has so many conditions to fullfil assuming that nothing bad will ever happen to it

>>55158645
Time Spiral storage lands are budget, come in untapped, and actually can produce mana every turn. They don't serve the same function as a dual land for color fixing but they produce mana and when you don't have a way to spend mana it is a way to store it for later at a cost of 2-to-1.

In a control deck or any deck with a lot of instants these can have nice benefits. It takes the slot of a colorless utility land but provides some value especially to reactive decks.
Leave mana up to potentially counter a spell on your opponent's turn then if they don't cast a spell and end their turn you put a counter on a land. After a few turns you can use it to play a bomb or to play a bomb with mana open to counter. This was a play in control decks back in Time Spiral standards.

>>55158718
that is straight up bad

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>>55154780

>>55158749
being able to give something a keyword permanently at instant speed is actually pretty strong anon. Also banding is fucking crazy on defense.

>>55158749
>discard in WG
Obviously you've never run a nonblack reanimation machine.

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>>55158678

>>55158686
Gisela. Shivan Meteor with Repercussion

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>>55158678
Stupid cards or combos that work out better than they should. Baru grandeur combo is jank because it requires four cards, at least five forests and that you cast Baru after all the other peices are in place.

>>55158736
Time Spiral standard also had Counterbalance + Top, Remand and Venser.

People these days still complain about blue but from Ravnica to Lorwyn I had to sit through some of the most durdliest shit in history.

>>55158808
Nonsense. That's a match made in heaven for Assemble the Legion.

Is $29 for a lightly played Yawgmoth's Will a good deal?

>>55158493
Lol I'm totally doing this next game. People in my group always ask about flying defense too

>>55158157
Play U/G illusion/boar tribal
>miragepigs.dec

>>55158857
If it's the normal standard for lightly played then probably.
I've seen a lot of "lightly played" cards that made me wish I just paid the extra $10.

>>55158854
You're talking about comboing two 5 CMC enchantments in 3 colors where if people blow up the token producing one you're up shit creek and even if it does work out all you've got is a slow value machine, that's the definition of jank.

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>>55158753
>cycler that you can bring back to your hand over and over
holy shit that's dope

>>55158885
Well what's TrollandToad's standard? I haven't bought from them in years. I know Starcity's standard and it's $35 there. I just don't want to spend $60 for NM at TCGplayer

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Is it possible to build for massive card advantage into self-discard to take advantage of some of the amonkhet cards?

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>>55158911

>>55158959
Janky as hell but there's tons of decent tech for it.

>>55158851
Different strokes and you're forgetting Ravnica was between Kamigawa and TSP. To me that was the most fun Standard season ever and it's my favorite kind of magic. Control vs Control was kino and I want to play Pickles again.

>>55158959
It's so depressing how wotc nerfed the "everyone loses life and you gain life" mechanic. Did they really thing it was too overpowered before?

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>>55158911
There are lots of things that you can do with him, underrated card for sure.

I mostly use him as a way to always have a creature available to pitch to Survival of the Fittest or Tortured Existence. Works well for setting up reanimation stuff as a discard outlet, too.

>>55155705
>bought one for $0.99 two weeks ago for jank red/green legendary tribal
Lmao

>>55159014
I didn't forget.
Kamigawa standard was something I wanted to, though.

I placed pretty high in a good number of FNMs just by running Gruul goodstuff back then.
Skrragan Pit-Skulk/Suspended Riftbolt, Scab-clan Mauler/Mogg War Marshal, Keldon Marauders/ Burning-Tree Shaman, Rumbling Slum/Giant Solifuge was a hell of a curve.

>>55159079
>bought one for .50 half an hour before the buyout
I mean I'm technically contributing to the problem, but still

I have like 12 mana rocks for a 3 color deck, is that too many?

>>55159140
Top wasn't legal with TSP though, the counter top combo was Extended and Legacy

>>55159193
Depends on the deck.

>>55159047
Kokusho was banned in two seperate occasions.

>>55159193
depends on your curve. look at it this way, if you have 10 rocks in a 100 card deck, you will draw 1 rock per 10 cards. You will draw 10 cards on turn 3 assuming you dont draw any extra cards, and 1 out of 10 cards drawn afterwards will be a mana rock. Does you deck have a good amount of x spells, repeatable activated abilities, or a lot of cmc spells? if not the rocks will probably be dead draws.

>>55159163
I feel like there's a distinction to be made between "bought one" and "bought 4 playsets"

>>55159079
>looked at order history, it was actually $0.29
shiggy diggy

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>>55155264
>the color that brought us lightining bolt and pic related isnt a control color
Lmao

So, my first draft of Mairsil was trash. I even got Cavern Harpy in opening hand and lost to Mirrari's Wake and White Sun's Zenith from the precon.

I need to set aside like twenty cards for wraths, spot removal and counterspells. And I need more selfmill. Caging from hand sucks dick.

So, for Grixis, besides Oblivion Stone and Nev Disk (required since they work with Mair), what other answers should I run? I'm thinking Toxic Deluge and Blasphemous. 4 wraths total might be a bit too low, but I'm not sure if more is a good idea. And I don't know where to start for spot and countermagic. Counterflux, Terminate and Chaos Warp doesn't seem like enough.

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>>55159365
>>55155615
>not being a NEET that is intimately familiar with all past shit-flinging in /edhg/
Yall niggas in the wrong thread.

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>>55154780

>>55159382
Toxic deluge, damnation, cyclonic rift as a one-sided pseudo wrath, crux of fate, blasphemous act.

As for counters/spot removal: pact of negation, counterspell, cryptic command. I mean you could also cage avatar of woe with mairsil for removal.

>>55159305
Kokusho is also ancient. They kept the mechanic the same for years and years after. Extort? Gray Merchant of Asphodel?

It's only in like Khans era they decided to nerf it.

>>55159382
Black Sun's Zenith is a good sweeper to play if you don't have lots of space for the effect but always want to draw one. It's fairly mana intensive, though.

>>55159490
You mean right after mono-black ripped Standard's asshole clean out and stuffed it in its mouth?

>6 players game
>one player just goes through his turns tapping mana and playing stuff without ever saying a word
>ask him to speak up when he plays something so the rest of the table knows what's happening
>he proceeds to just mumble through his turns at a barely audible level while going as fast as possible
>rest of the table falls for it, ignores him while he builds up to critical mass
>some of them ask "Where'd that enchantment come from" two turns after it's played
Would I be an annoying autist if I hovered over him and said out loud "Ok, he's playing Cathar's Crusade" since he refuses to actually call out what the fuck he's playing and the rest of the group is too dull to care?

>>55156639
Interesting pls post

>>55159544
Do it in a less on-the-nose way. Like "Oh, that is Cathars Crusade right?" Or something like that.

>>55158466
If the dude is good it's Eldrazi monument. Shit is bonkers in daxos.

>>55159382
Crux of Fate is always solid.
Mistfolk is alright if you just want to protect Mairsil himself.
Pongify and Rapid Hybridization are good for clearing really serious threats for cheap.
Swan Song works in a similar vein.
Reality Shift is good out-of-color removal.
Grixis and Crosis Charm are obviously decent, as is Dimir Charm.

>>55159544
He is the autist, you would be correct to call out his plays obnoxiously if he won't announce his plays.

>>55159544
But it's a strategy! If he forgets to take the life off the Phyrexian Arena draw and you don't call it, that's your fault!

>>55159490
I personally prefer it. Also, the nerf to the Siege was the only thing keeping it from being a way better Subversion.

It seems like it is mix and match per desired power level. I say this as someone who has a Cycling.dec with Faith in it.

>>55159424
I am though. I just felt like actually making a point.

>>55159634
Make sure to get out of your chair and point at him while you say it, im sick of mentally handycapped people trying to shit up a mainstream game like magic, tell him to go play mlp with the rest of the halfway house retards, not saying anything and not calling him out reinforces his shitty behaviour

>>55159668
Please be a not retard.

>want to make a deck
>havent played a game of magic since theros
>will probably never play again
>plz halp

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>>55159754
>mentally handycapping people

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>>55159490
They still do it sometimes. Not really sure how they decide.

Is there a pressing reason to maybe run something like Chimeric Staff in Mairsil to make it possible for him to become an artifact on a whim?

>>55159795
Check Craigslist for nearby hobby enthusiasts.

What is everyone's ideal game size? I prefer no less than 4 but no more than 6 players. I think most would agree with that but I am curious.

>>55159814
Crew is an activated ability.

>>55159814
It's also good to drop on it's own in case you got a bad hand
Otherwise you can just use it to buff him for hard swings/dangerous blocking

>>55159820
Isn't craigslist just for buying stolen goods and finding guys to fuck your wife?

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Was Amonkhet / Hour of Devastation a good expansion?

>>55159834
18 players, no sphere of influence rules.

>>55159481
>>55159516
>>55159628
Crux is bad in my meta. Too many dragons. I do have the cool foil of it, but until I build Dragons, it will rot. I guess I could get a damnation. Not used to running straight creature wraths with no other effects (I always ran Hallowed Burial over Wrath of God, for example). I do have Avatar of Woe in there, but without a haste cage, it seems unreliable.

Oh and BSZ is a good idea. I never saw that as a selling point to zeniths but it makes sense. Of course, I need to hit my rocks, but with Basalt, Gilded and similar, that shouldn't be too bad. I wonder how often is Pongify better than Go For The Throat or Terminate. It is one mana, after all.

>>55159814
If you run Voltaic Key, I guess.

>>55159866
>many dragons in the group
>Destroy all Dragons
>bad

>>55159778
Please pay attention to board states.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ramos-rainbow-road/
Any help for my Ramos deck? had a chance to get a maelstrom angel earlier and honestly i'm kicking myself for not doing it, the land base doesn't need help since its self explanatory but and cuts or cards I glazed over from the precon that should be back in here? thanks in advance.

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Oloro or Karlov for lifegain/drain deck?

>>55159907
More like bored states, am I right? Haha no really, how do you not want to jam forks in your skull whe. The game goes longer than 4 turns
- modern playa

>>55159581
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-and-red-neheb-deck/
could use a little inprovemnt in manner of more wheels

>>55159853
I bought an X52 Pro for $80 from a guy a while back

I think he smoked like 7 packs a day because my hands stunk like cigarettes when I so much as glanced at it

>>55159936
Karlov.
Oloro is a fat idiot.

>>55159834
4 is perfect.

>>55159959
I really feel for the generation of magic players whose parents put them on ritalin and can now not afford their own medication.

>>55159382
Combustible Gearhulk is OK for self mill or draw and should help either way.

A personal jank favourite of mine is also Charmed Pendant, though that one is only REALLY good if you have a lot of mana symbols in your deck.

>>55159834
My decks actually perform the best in a 3-player game but I like 4 players the most. Anything more becomes a shitfest, which sucks because my group is usually 5 players

>>55159834
12 player Archenemy Vanguard Planechase unlimited taksies-backies

>>55159907
No really, don't be retarded. You're required to keep track of your own triggers.

Hold up.

What would happen if you enscribed Kyren Archive onto Mairsil? Could you reset his abilities with it?

>>55160089
>Being this rules illiterate

No wonder you complain about his Cathar's Crusade

>>55159834
4-6, we play mad hatter variant, after everyone has had a turn we all shift one seat to the left, it makes for interesting deck building when you only get 1 turn out of 4 with your deck

>>55160091
Wouldn't Bomat Courier be a less janky way to get that effect?

>>55160136
What's the deal with this new feature, anyway? How does it determine whether or not something is "casual"?

>>55160091
>>55160144
Also I looked up the relevant rule and it doesnt work sadly.

"607.2a If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards “exiled with [this object],” these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability."

>>55160144
Oh right, that exists now too.
Yes, it would be.

Now, in what world would anyone want to reset that stuff, other than to refill their hand or dodge Eldrazi processing effects.

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>>55160091
>>55160144
No, neither of those work.
Those are Linked abilities, which mean they only refer to cards exiled with the other half of the card's abilities. With Mairsil, they don't refer to anything.

>>55155536
Red pitches to the gy, black gets it back. The red ogres delved into darker magic than they normally would to trap their souls into the veil. Red magic is on the evil spectrum.

>>55159855
HoD was much better than the first set. Watching KANGS getting destroyed is always fun

>>55160159
Poorly.

>>55159834
4 >>> 3 >>>>>>>>> 5
I'd rather not play at all than play 1v1 or 6+

>>55160091
>>55160144

Each time Mairsil comes in its a different card. Mairsil looks for "cards with cage counters" not "cards exiled by Mairsil."

>>55160211
Come on anon, 6+ planechase archenemy vanguard is the way to play.

>>55160136
where do i see my deck's casualness?

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>>55160220
>Each time Mairsil comes in its a different card.
Slut

>>55159834
4 or 5 players is best. 3 player tends to lead to kingmaker scenarios more often than usual, and 6 players is ok, but getting a bit too much for me.

>>55159834
4 or 5 is ideal. 3 players is acceptable but will usually be 2v1. 6 is OK if you're willing to devote a day to the game, so usually not. 1v1 EDH is an abomination and if you go over 6 you will NOT finish in a satisfactory manner.

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>>55160136
>>55160183
>>55160208

With all this Mairsil talk, wasn't there a green creature that returned shit from exile? Can't seem to find it on the gatherer, probably due to weird wording.

>>55160308
Well memed

>>55160280
>>55160284
I hate 3 player games for that exact reason. They always end up being shitty king maker games or 1v2s. I would much rather play a 6 player game, even if it takes a little longer.

>>55160308
Fucking bluefags shitting up a causal format

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>>55160308
>this is more competitive than my Sidisi list
kek

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>>55160325

>>55160325
Look for eldrazi processors, they all hit stuff in exile, void attendant is the green one I believe

>>55160325
Riftsweeper.

>>55160325
http://magiccards.info/query?q=t%3A%22processor%22&v=card&s=cname

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>>55160308
Deck is:
>Sidisi
>skirge familiar
>exsanguinate
>ad nauseam
>96 swamps

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>>55160325

>>55159893
Too many incidental dragons. It'll leave Niz Mozzarella up or it'll leave Gitrog up.

>>55160009
Gearhulk is clever. And in red instead of being another blue card. Charmed I always liked, but finding one has been hard. I guess I could order one. Good with Arcanis and Kiki and stuff, but seeing as that is best case scenario in my deck, it'll be the world's cutest Gilded Lotus at best and a bad Perpetual Timepiece otherwise. Still, my style of jank.

Also, what's good gravehate in Grixis? The Constellation guy kind of blows in my deck.

>>55160308
i'm thinking the casual % refers to how casual the deck is. as in this deck is hella casual. my BUG deck loaded with tutors and bombs is 50% casual and 50% competitive

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>>55160136
Gaze at true perfection.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/100-competitive/

>>55160548
Bojuka bog, relic of progenitus,tormunds crypt.

Also you could run eater of the dead, would work well with mairsils cage ability too to untap him. Only removes creatures tho.

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>>55160548
This belongs in every EDH deck that can afford to play a colorless land.

>>55160565
>didnt make them all japanese foils and judge promos
Fail

>>55155149
I already bought mine when the sheet leaked. It gets my ajanis, nahiris and chandras and that makes me hard.

>>55160141
That sounds hysterical. I want to try this.

>>55160159
It has to do with cards that are in decks with the "competitive or "casual" tag on them. It's a shitty scale with a lot of murky, unreliable data

>>55160694
I feel like a fool not picking up Sisay's for when she was going around 2 euros for ex+/nm, now it's over 10, yesterday spiking up to 18 euros. Knowing mcm jewery I'd prolly got reported by spaniards shop for buying out stuff and powerselling and I don't want lawyers on my back for cardboard.

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>>55159855
In terms of power, it was average overrall. With amonkhet being a bit below and Hour of Devastation being a bit over the average. In terms of cute/hot cards, this >>55156756 is probably the best you will find.

There is also pic related, I keep a foil in my binder just because it makes me smile every time I look at it.

>>55160796
That art is hilarious

>>55160768
Wait, you can get in legal trouble for selling cards?

>>55160796
>Diamond Head blasting in the background

>>55160834
It's mostly when you're a private seller and so happen to buy out a card for later profit and registered shops don't like it. Some will go as far as to sue you since they have to pay the taxes for selling while you don't.

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Secret tech for Edgar.

>>55160141
Do you win when your deck wins or when your seat wins? Can you set it up so that you suicide but someone else is left having to pay the cost for a Pact of Negation?

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so I tried out pic related in a grixis deck and as actually surprised how much I liked it. it not entering tapped is nice. I mean it's not optimal but I wouldn't mind seeing one of these in every 3 color combination

How do you get the competetive meter for tappedout? Theres a guy in my playgroup whos been trying to get everyone to "rank" their decks and I want to have immunity from the power wanking.

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haha oh shit my deck is apparently perfection
how did I do it

>>55161293
Seems like it's reflected going forward. None of my older decks have it and I know some of them are stupid strong

>>55161186
It's strictly worse than Shimmering Grotto, Unknown Shores, Painted Bluffs and Opal Palace aside from a whopping 1 life, but hey, you do you.

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>Working on building a Ramos deck built around Cascade and silly jank
>Got some tech in place to prepare explosions
>Suddenly realize not sure what to explode with

Any ideas for some fun, huge spells and/or creatures? The basic idea is to abuse some abilities to charge up Ramos quickly and then start blinking him as he fuels more spells. I have Maelstrom Wanderer, Archangel and Nexus along with Yidris so far.

The jankier the better.

>>55161347
I mean if you're only in those 3 colors it's just as good, better actually because it's still 1 life

>>55161365
Conflux into progenitus.

>>55161384
Sure, but "I wouldn't mind seeing one of these in every 3 color combination" makes me think anon didn't know about the existence of other filter lands. A full cycle of the card isn't really warranted if 1 life is the only benefit over other filter lands that are kind of shit in the first place.

>>55161451
I just hate seeing a type of land for some colors but not all

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>>55161477
I know that feel.

>>55161504

i hope they finish this land some day. although i guess i'm still waiting on them to finish the last 3 new ally colored fixing so enemy colored can catch up. It feels worse when two of those were cheap lands with basic land types too.

>>55161410

You mean Conflux and Progenitus? Conflux is only eight mana while Progenitus is ten.

>>55161561
I really wish we would get a krossan verge in other colors

>>55161451
>didn't know about the existence of other filter lands
I think everyone have taken a look at manabasecrafter once. And I also would love to see a cycle of Crypt of Eternals, since it is a better Painted Bluffs in 3-color decks.

>>55161504
I really want more of these. Also River of Tears

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>>55161504
Me too.

>>55161609
That card is like $80 now

>>55161574
>cast conflux with ramus out
>ramus gets five counters
>tutor for progenitus und four other cards
>remove five counters from ramus
>hard cast progenitus

>>55161631
**grab progenitus and four other cards with conflux I mean

>>55161561
>waiting on them to finish the last 3 new ally colored fixing so enemy colored can catch up

As a cube owner I know that feel.

>>55161477
They'd have some relevance if they were Deserts.

>>55161631
>>55161646

Ah, I got you now.

I'm trying to decide if I should get a Scroll Rack if I want to cascade spells in my hand.

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>>55154780

>>55161583
>a better Painted Bluffs in 3-color decks
Better but still very bad.

>>55161593
I don't want to see a full cycle of River of Tears, it's awkward as fuck with instants or if you don't have a land drop available.

holy shit tappedout is so wonky for adding your cards/deck

what is another site that isnt so cluttered?

My local meta is starting to develop a few too many 4+ color 'good stuff' decks for my taste and I hate it. Decks that lack passion in their design or any clear 'idea' behind them.

How can I ruin their fun without cards that will make me the 'bad guy' (ie no armageddon type stuff). Looking for something in Naya colors.

>>55160579
Yeah, I need to find an Eater. Good stuff. Bogs in it already, but need more.

>>55160596
How could I forget? I put a minor desert package in all my monocolored decks, but forgot I could just stick it as a one off in 3 colors.

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>>55158959
>>55158977
Alright, to make this work I will need card advantage. Lots of it.

I need the best and the most card advantage you can get in grixis. All the staples, everything worthwhile. Any recommendations?

>>55161920
The Cockatrice deckbuilder is actually pretty great.

>>55160494

Kek

What do you do if somebody counters ad nauseam

>>55161933
You can't really precision strike "good stuff". If they all switched to combo, you'd have better luck.

Just run as much gravehate and Bane of Progress as you can.