/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General

>>55138222
>What's the most fun class you've played in 5e so far?
Lore Bard.

>>55138222
Paladin is quite fun if you just want to purge evil
plus you get to have the whole knightly vibe and be the face with your high charisma and good reputation

>>55138222
I had lots of fun with a warrior cleric.

Tempest Cleric or Oathbreaker Paladin. Mostly for the to aspect.

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>>55138222
Shadow Monk with the Skilled Feat.

It's not an optimal build, but it makes for a hella more fun Assassin or Agent style character than any of the Rogue archetypes do.

Nothing beats being able to walk into (or break/sneak into) a dangerous place or well guarded place completely unarmed and still be able to hold your own in a fight.

>>55138222
>What's the most fun class you've played in 5e so far?
Arcane Trickster

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what's your favorite Adventure's League adventure?

>>55138222
Land Druid

>>55138569
The Darklord is fun, I played through it as a shadow monk and 1v1d the assassin like dude until the paladin used her cloak of the mountebank in to cover my ass

>orcpub is down
>orcpub kickstarter has been cancelled due to 'legal issues'

Well shit

Tempest cleric

he protec

he attac

but most of all

he no rat

>>55138602
They started charging for official content, so they got smacked down by Hasbro like the dumb shits they are

>>55138602
shitters be shit

no shit

>>55138635
I heard they were jewish, is that true

>>55138602
charge shit
get hit

i hate DnDbeyond but OrcPub is no better since they did the same thing

>>55138602
Literally who?

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>>55138392
>It's not an optimal build, but it makes for a hella more fun Assassin or Agent style character than any of the Rogue archetypes do.

I miss the playtest rogue, they got a bunch of neat tricks.

>>55138663
just a bunch of idiots managing to trick other idiots into paying for something that they can get for free.

>>55138222
>What's the most fun class you've played in 5e so far?
Light Cleric

>>55138222
Lore Bard, honorable mention goes to the barbarian

>>55138687
Im sure those jews were trying to say it was a "convenience fee"

>>55138596
Mine is definitely the Marionette and the Artifact, but Darklord is top 3

Then comes honorable mention to the Horseman

>>55138222
Now I wonder, which class you've played is the least fun/satisfying? Vote!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13823710

I've heard a lot about how horrible the Tomb of Horrors is, but nothing about why it's bad or what it consists of. I'm looking for a link so I can look through it but I want to know if anyone here has run through it. Is it really that hard? What's so aweful about it?

I'm not trolling, I genuinely want to know?

>>55138779
When I played the darklord as my shadowmonk, who is a goblin, who eats random monster parts got the cooks, the cooks were the murderers and it sucks because my goblin wanted to keep them around

>>55138785
If we're talking all archetypes included... Barbarian. They've got like NOTHING fun. Even Fighters have combat manuevers and a half-caster class. Barbarians have a rage mode you're always expected to be using, who's upkeep and exhaustion costs are a royal pain in the ass. No other class will make you wish you were playing something else.

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>>55138222
anyone got the new character sheets pack? I'm specifically looking for the "introductory character sheet designed specifically to help ease new players into the game" sheet

>>55138785
You left off Paladin

>Player wants to change his character's class
>Sends me a D&D Wiki homebrew class that's woefully broken (Full Wizard Spellcasting, can cast two spells in a single turn, casting stat to AC, Always on Hellish Rebuke, Always on Flame Blade at 4th level, casting stat to spell damage, Scorching Ray cast at a higher level
that also scales up just because, free bonus action dash that also does scaling damage to enemies that walk in the path, Can remove fire immunity/resistance and give it to another person, etc.)
>Try my best to balance it while still keeping it flavorful and fun for hours
>Bring changes to players one of the changes being, they can no longer cast two spells in a turn
>"I need to cast two spells in one turn so I can keep up with the late game damage. Spell casters don't get extra attack so they fall off"
>But cantrips do scale. And you're a full caster, that is your late game
>"On second thought I'll keep my class. Thanks though"

I'm so angry right now. Why did I even waste my time?

>>55138851
>Sends me a D&D Wiki
you could just stop right there. We know what comes next.

>>55138848
Fuck, how did I forget it? Should I make a new poll? Is there anyone in the universe who thinks paladins aren't fun?

Hey tg need advice on weather or not I'm a terrible person.
A few friends of mine are running premade adventures for 5th ed and im a pc in a group of 5. about a week before every session I read the chapter in advance so I know what to do. No one knows I do this but me and I pretend I have no idea what's going on during the session. I do it because I've noticed in sessions I cheat the group has so much more fun because I can subtly direct us in the right the direction, basically just doing things like "oh Rouge pc, maybe you should scout ahead" and when they do they spot enemy npcs and set up an ambush, and making them feel useful. And often when the group gets stuck and I can tell the gm is blatantly struggling to point us the right way I can just pretend I thought up a random Idea that happens to be right.
So should I stop or keep going because it enhances the play for everyone (including myself)

>>55138788

It's a dungeon designed purely as a punishment tool for overconfident players. It's filled with traps that either instakill, or otherwise render a character unable to continue (for starters, the apparent "entrance" will collapse a few moments after the party enters, crushing them-the real entrance has to be searched for). The actual "safe" route through the dungeon is extremely difficult to discover without prior knowledge, and it culminates with a boss fight against a demilich with some very unpleasant abilities

>>55138851
>Someone tried to trick you into letting them play a broken dndwiki character
>Surprised they backed out when you didn't let that shit slide

Anytime someone sends a link to that site I tell them no flat out.

>>55138887
Anyone who still thinks they answer to a god and have to be lawful no fun allowed (good)

>>55138887
>>55138785
I made a new one (with a paladin option) here:

http://www.strawpoll.me/13823786

I think it's too late though, everyone will vote in the other

>>55138899

The player usually doesn't try to play broken material and their pretty casual so I gave them the benefit of the doubt because it was the first thing that comes up when you google "Pyromancer 5e".

>>55138933
Hard call between Barbarian, Sorcerer, or Rogue. They're all shitty downgraded versions of Fighter, Wizard, and Bard respectively.

Warlocks are boring as piss too, but that opinion is heresy around here.

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Renounce Evil, or else.

>>55139008
no

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>>55139008

Renounce weevil, or else.

>>55138840
there's new character sheets?

>>55139045
>angry-farmer-with-torches-s-clipart-15.jpg
>no torches

>>55139052
apparently it's just the one, the rest is a collection of already existing sheets as far as I can tell
>http://dnd.wizards.com/products/tabletop-games/rpg-products/charactersheets

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>>55139060

So I lied.

Somehow I managed to convince my DM to let me play as two characters at once who are conjoined twins. How can i break this?

I'm a bit stuck, could use some help.

The setting is a floating city above a vast ocean, and I got permission from the DM to be a Human Battlerager so I thought I'd try to write in an explanation for why I'd know a Dwarven fighting style by saying I was raised by Dwarves, but DM said I needed to be a local of the main city. I can't think of a way to accomplish this without essentially putting his entire backstory at sea as the nearest Dwarven stronghold is several months of travel away, and I'd rather his background lead him to a life as a pit-fighter/entertainer. Would it be too out of character for dwarves to have a travelling troupe of battleragers that put on shows for coin? I could probably work in some BS about my PC getting enraptured by their display or something. On top of this the DM wants me to work a villain into my story that I'll encounter later... I am not creative. send help.

>>55139103
Twins have to fight each other to the death

Requesting scarred lands for 5e

Lore bard is stronger than wizard, the only wizard subclasses that can compete is illusion wizard with a generous DM, or a divination wizard who got good portents that day.

Would you make a Pact irl?

>>55139149
in a heartbeat

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>>55138840
I managed to find a bad photo of the sheet in question. Still looking for a scan.

>>55139149

Not really. I'm not desperate enough, nor is there something I covet so strongly that I'd be willing to make that kind of deal.

>>55139125
But then one (probably both) of my characters would be dead...

Any spells you'd like to see in 5e?

I'd really like some more divination and abjuration spells.

Also permanence.

>>55139193
own it. Have one of your twins forced to carry around the "corpse" of their conjoined brother. Make them slowly lose their sanity because it, talk to the twin like they're alive, listen when they tell you to do things. Shift into CE and just go psycho until DM says "Okay, fine. Reroll."

>>55139169
>no skills
nice

>>55139169
Looks like all the other ones.

Shit.

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>make grappler char
>fighter/thief variant human simple stat spread
>name him Steve aus Stin because I can't think of a better name and I resorted to a meme
>gladiator background, generally bare bones
>figure my DM will veto the name and help me make a new one
>"wow anon you're using German nomenclature! I'm impressed, I'll write the town of Stin into the story for you"

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Ran a DnD rulebook bot to a Markov chain Bot we set up in my DnD group's discord server and this is what it generated based on the DnD rulebook bot's posting history in the server.

Thought it was interesting and ridiculous.

>>55139284

You march right back in there and fess up, anon. Before this goes anywhere wacky.

>>55139284
anon you got yourself into this one now you will play your stone cold gladiator and you will like it

>>55139284
he is going to be so heartbroken when he finds out

Get ready for Baking UA on monday.

>>55139328
he's an old man I don't want to break his heart he was genuinely happy to see me doing linguistic things

>>55139361
fuck I guess it's time to fight the evil baron mcmahon

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>>55139284
Do it, love the dream my DM won't let me have

>>55138818
I got Kristoff who wasn't the murderer, and it's been the centerpiece of my entire Lore Bard Role-play

>>55139309
>Knight: You gain a +1 bonus to the tarrasque's choice within 10 feet of the tarrasque

Sounds like something that can be made possible. Like a tarrasque cult or some shit

Was it an intentional design choice that the core has no race with +2 wis, the only ability you can't +2, or just a conidence?

>>55139386
I was hoping for several paragraphs on what was brought to the Wizards office potluck and a sentence or 2 on how to roll for dick length
>>55139400
You have to live this lie anon, don't break his old fragile heart

>>55139375
I think if I don't tell him and rp it how he's expecting (German gladiator wrestler I guess???) I think I can get him happy enough where I can confess and hell be ok

>>55139428
doesn't it have something to do with Passive Perception i guess?

>>55139428
Just a coincidence.

>>55139428

Coincidence

>>55138894
What you're doing isn't wrong. You're just running the adventure, basically co-dm'ing

Just apreciate that that's what you're doing, and not playing, so like, apreciate that your goals should be diferent as well

>>55139454
No you live it just like this >>55139444 man said, learn how fake a German accent and be the best damn German gladiator wrestler you can and never reveal your shame

>>55139444

>rolling for dick length

We playing FATAL now boys.

>>55138851
9/10 someone suggest homebrew they just want broken shit

last game I played, the cleric tried to sneak in a 1d10 bonesaw when we were offered a non magical weapon of our choice by an NPC, then made me out to be the asshole for calling him on homebrew bullshit

WotC really needs to put out a one time purchase character gen. I'd prefer it'd be free but that's not a fight worth having.

But I'm a forever DM. I used Orcpub to roll characters for new players, to check and make sure my own builds weren't breaking the game, etc. I don't see how i can justify rebuying full price versions of the PHB, DMG, SCAG, and Volo's and then also adding a subscription for a fully features character generator. Are a few drop down menus and checkboxes really worth over $100?

>>55139008
One day I'll make a BBEG out of you.

>>55139444
trips are truth, time for steve austin to brush up on German accents

>>55139386
When's Kingdom Building?

I have a player that rolled up a Dire wolf so that they could wild shape into PC races in order to cast spells.

We're in session two, level 5, and I really think we're onto something here as a viable homebrewed class.

>>55139549
This is just moon druid in reverse

>>55139112
Why can't your character be the adopted kid of two ex-battleragers who had left their stronghold for some reason?

I find the villain thing a bit dumb from your DM, since he's going to take that character over, but that guy could be the reason those parents left.

>>55139284
your DM might be retarded

Got a friend who's new to DND joining the table. He wants to play a beast master, heard from some people it's super underpowered, other people say it's only moderately underpowered.

How should I buff it? Was thinking I just have the companion gain hp on level ups like a PC. Main issue with the class seems to be the beast being made out of paper and glass.

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>>55139444
>>55139485
>>55139532
ok I'll make it work and hope nobody else at the table mentions anything

thanks for the support do i get bonus points for shotgunning enlarge potions to wrestle giants/dragons

>>55139485
>>55139532
It is the truth, I play with an old man in some of my games and he's the nicest guy ever, I couldn't imagine ever doing anything to hurt him

>>55139627
Yes, God speed to you, you glorious bastard

>>55139623
you can go RAW and just fudge attack rolls against the pet

>>55139627
You have to talk to them about it, tell them not to bring it up to him or mention it during the game as to hurt the poor old man

>>55139497

1d10 melee weapon isn't that bad. Isn't a two handed longsword 1d10?

>>55139112
Some guy punched you in the dick, you're looking to repay the favor.

>>55139679
I'm guessing a bonesaw would be 1h so at best it should be 1d8 with 1d10 versatility, but yeah I don't see it as a huge deal. I'd personally stat it as a handaxe without the thrown component

>>55139112
A racist dwarven dictatorwho kicked you out of the mountainhome after he rose to power

>>55139284
>alright anon how do you introduce your character to the group
>[glass breaks]

>>55139428
Merely a (((coincidence))).

>>55139808
>character walks into the inn and shotguns two mugs of ale

>>55139686
Sometimes the simplest answers make for the best

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>>55139808
>>55139860
Damn it, now I just imagined some guy tossing a rock through a window, walking in and taking two mugs of ale form random customers and shotgunning them. Then throws his hands up and spins around like there's a crowd around him

What race would fit best for a human with cat-like features, but no fur. Like, ears and tail and whatnot?

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>>55139895

>>55139888
gladiator background gives by popular demand, so maybe that actually does hype up the crowd in the inn and he gets his beers for free

>>55139895
Pathfinder

>>55139895
the faggot race

>>55139895
dm: I'm not saying no, anon, but why do you want to be a catgirl

>>55138392

I once played a shadow monk as an Anti-mage type dealio.

>>55139985
They covered that in the PDF mr dm

>>55139985
my gf wants to, not me. She wants to be Ahri from LoL

>>55139623
No need to buff it, just him use the UA Ranger Beastmaster. It basically fixed everything about it.

>>55140037
Why doesn't she go play LoL instead of playing D&D than?

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>>55139895

Sorry anon, I think the only feline race in 5e is the tabaxi-you need to go full furry if you want to be a cat.

>>55140037
>GF
You don't have to lie to us anon, it's ok

>>55140037
thats actually a pretty dank idea

>misty step
>enchantment spells

>>55140052
Half-Tabaxi?

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>>55140066

Can't interbreed with other races, I don't think.

>>55140037
Ahri would fit better a sorcerer. Just pick a human, have profiency in deception and persuasion, go dex and cha and say that she has cat ears.

Refluffing variant human is fine.

>>55139679
It was a one-hander and non martial. As level 2 characters he would have been hitting harder than our Fighter as Cleric.

>>55140066
I once joked about half tabaxi being anime catgirls

>>55140115

Oh yeah, then fuck that.

>>55139454
>I'm going to restle you auf to ze ground.

This is a perfect character for campy German accents. Especially if you oil up before combat.

>>55140037

Ugh, why am I doing this.

+2 Dex +1 Cha
Darkvision
Proficiency in Persuasion
Friends cantrip
At 3rd level you can cast Alter Self as a 2nd level spell and regain the ability to do so after a long rest.
At 5th level you can cast cast Suggestion as a 2nd level spell, and regain the ability to do so after a long rest.

>>55140141

Swap Dex and Cha, it's more thematic.

>It's a player makes a drow/dragonborn/tiefling/halforc and then gets surprised when peasants hate them episode

>>55140177
>dragonborn

cringe

>>55140177

Depends on the setting, make it clear to them that people in the setting aren't friendly towards them.

>>55140177
I never understood this mentality when it's stated outright they are odd races, especially tieflings. Anymore I make sure to tell my players at session zero and I still have to hear about it

>>55140115
As a DM, I'd just make it an improvised weapon with axe stats. You're allowed to swing around a bonesaw at opponents, but you sure as hell ain't trained to do so, nor is it practical to do so.

Perhaps he can have it reconfigured to make it an actual martial weapon, or become a tavern brawler.

>>55140177
My DM wasn't doing it when I played a drow and I asked him to make racist characters

>>55140177
>Not having a setting with racial harmony

Does anyone else feel like the features for Order of the Awakened and the disciplines they can get don't match at all?

The features:
>Read into an objects past
>Impose disadvantage onto a saving throw once a short rest at the cost of your focus (Only thing that fits with disciplines, and it's pretty weak).
> Become a ghost

Disciplines:
> Lots of blasting, control and enchantment.

>>55140109
actually, since she wanted a unicorn pet, we went with warlock. And yeah, i thought misty step would be a good idea as well.

I think you're right, human variant sounds like the best alternative, thanks.

>>55140223
>having a setting with racial harmony
Come on man dwarves and elves at the very least have to not like eachother

I need sidequest materials for tomorrow. Preferably something that would last for a session or two.
Any good premade materials to rip off from?

>>55138788
Tales from the Yawning Portal is in the Trove

>>55140223
>Not having a setting where different areas hold different opinions

>>55140141
thanks for the effort, but my DM don't want any homebrew

>>55140248
adding to this, i think also eldrich blast could also be refluffed to her Q ability easily. And the temp HP gain is kinds like life leech from her passive, i suppose

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I want my campaign to take place in the end of an era. Invading tribes, global trade grinding to a halt, empires crumbling apart bit by bit, monsters coming back from near-extinction. Any tips?

>>55140252

I find it funny how Gygax originally made dwarves incapable of being rangers, and when he let them he made them shit at it.

Now in 5e dwarves can get a feat (UA) that basically gives them a better version of a ranger feature.

>>55140252
Yeah I was thinking somewhere along the lines of what we have in the real world, people may have their opinions or whatever but ideally you just shut up about "V. Human master race!" or whatever and shitpost on your scrying pool later.

>>55140037
AHRI
IS
NOT
A
CAT

SHE IS A FOX
YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>55140052
>>55140107
Make tabaxi badass again

>>55140258
Rats in my basement IV: Back to the revengence. There's rats in the basement of a local inn, kill them. But then you make one of them a warlock to the Swarm Lord or whatever, or there's a nimh style society.

>>55140310

Well technically she's from a race of chimeras, who all look completely different to each other.

Except two champions of the race who inexplicably look the same.

>>55140310
After this post >>55140248 mentioning the pet unicorn I just assumed he was shitposting

>>55140207
I'm totally cool with the idea of the mad doctor with a bonesaw. He was just trying to make his character better in the process. The DM just made him pick from the PHB in the end, since the NPC was an arms vendor.

>>55140271
Ask the DM to use the stats for (race, such as human or woof elf) but the aesthetics of a catgirl.

>>55140338
What class would work best for a mad doctor?

>>55140332

They retconned her into being the same race as that brother and sister pair? That's kind of lame-I liked it when she was a fox that ate people to become human, but was starting to grow a human conscience about it.

Would a battlemaster/swashbuckler be a good MC? So far I'm a level 2 HE (1 rogue/1fighter) planning on dual wilding. My stats are 8, 16, 14, 10, 13, 16. How many levels of each should I take assuming level 20, and what expertises should I grab? I'm also acting as the party face so persuasion should probably be one. I appreciate any help lads

When using the tavern brawler feat, do all improvised weapons scale off str?

>>55140376

Yep, she's a "Vastaya" like the pair (Also they're not Brother an Sister, they're lovers).

Although I believe she's a "Unique" form of them.

>>55140419

Yup

>>55138840
$nip<dot>li

In my /WOTCTrove

>>55140337
i'm actually not. She asked first if she could be an actual unicorn with rainbow powers. I said she's have to do something a bit more normal.

>>55140310
i answered because he answered me. I didn't correct him because i frankly don't care.

I need a magic item for the lone wanderer hedonistic monk who's joining the party next session. Something not combat-related, probably, that has to do with traveling.

>>55140419
Improvised weapons are generally modeled of a weapon they resemble. A broken bottle might be a modified dagger, while a chair leg is basically a club.


If you improvise finesse weapons, you can scale of dex or strength. Good luck improvising something to resemble a rapier though. Mostly you're just picking up rocks and various kinds of differently sized sticks.


Depending on your DM's leniency, you can use it as a way to flavour a monk into becoming whacky Jacky Chan, which is fun.

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>>55140457

>I'm over here cringing so hard that enough mass is being driven to the center of my being to create a black hole.

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>>55140457
>She asked first if she could be an actual unicorn with rainbow powers
I can understand if you were playing a gag campaign but really?

>>55140497

Alchemy Jug

>>55140375
Probably an evil cleric or a Druid who ate one too many Mushrooms.

>>55140387
I was also considering BM/thief but that might not make as much sense

>>55140375

Depends on your definition of doctor.

>Medical practitioner

Probably cleric or druid

> Frankenstein esque

Transmutation wizard or artificer.

Why do no bard subclasses seem to compare to Lore?

>>55140497
My homeless guy got a robe of many items, but I refluffed it as a knapsack. Your monk will enjoy drawing an 10 foot stick out of his gear, I think.

Another fun option is a cloak that grows a beard when he wears it. It's fluffy enough and it'll make for good disguise for him to enable his hijinks

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So this happened to our party druid earlier. Straight outta wildshape and onto the floor, was a fun fight.

>>55140590
'Cause you're a filthy minmaxer

>>55140457
She could go for Druid and have a quest to find the land of unicorns so she could wild shape into one. Still cringe as fuck.

>>55140590
Why do no fighter subclasses seem to compare to Battlemaster?
Why do no babarian subclasses seem to compare to Totem Warrior?

>>55138222
curious if anyone here has any experience with roll20 api? are there any scripts that add adventures into a game for free

>>55140611

I like my classes to be mechanically fun. If my classes don't hold up mechanically I'm not going to be able to play them no matter how good the flavor

Case in point: PHB Beast master and Way of the Four Elements

>>55140620

I don't know if you're trying to mock but you're actually making an incredibly good point.

>>55140618
But unicorn isn't a beast

>>55140507
>>55140510
Yeah, that's what you get when the only thing you tell her is that she can do almost anything she wants to do and be almost anything cause it's kinda imaginary

>>55140272
Have the players be mercs hired to replace/prop-up a waning army.
Send them off to some far off outpost on the edge of the empire's territory.
Have quartermaster NPC who supplies less and less as fewer and fewer support shipments from capital come in.
Any complaint letters to higher command returned with empty platitudes about putting the focus upon the capital's military units, who are growing in strength, and will march in force to relieve them 'soon'(tm).
Every so often, the return sender names change, hinting at rapid replacement of command level officers (due to infighting/collapse/warlords forming)
Have two different people claiming the same high rank start writing them, each seeking to ensure the party's loyalty.
Outpost commander refuses to acknowledge anything is wrong.
Becomes increasingly obsessed with doing things 'by the book', as the chaos continues to build.
All the time they're fighting rebelling serfs/natives, more monsters, et cetera.
...and the last three batches of dangerous creatures they caught for shipment to the capital city's arena/zoo haven't been picked up yet either.
(Do they keep feeding 'em, let 'em go, kill 'em for food? Do they have enough cages, or did they have to improvise? Will an improvised cage fail in the middle of the night?)
Eventually letters and supply shipments stop.
No news for weeks/months.
Suddenly, army unit marches in.
Demands food/water/wine/women.
Turns out they're bandits now, and the out of touch with reality base commander let them in.
Outpost gets trashed/set on fire.
Decision time.
Rebuild and wait? Rebuild and declare independence? Leave and return to the capital? Leave and become bandits yourself?

(That's basically how a campaign I played in went. Had a very 'rome abandons britannia' feel to it.)

Would this be an OP invocation for warlocks?

Kingslayer's Demands:
Prerequisites: Level 15, Pact of the Chain.
You can cast Dominate Person at will, without expending a spell slot or material Components. You must finish a Long Rest before you can use this invocation on the same creature again.

I based it off Chains of Carceri, replacing Hold Monster with Dominate Person since they're both level 5 spells it should be OK right?

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>invite my friend to the group
>arrive at hosts house
>her room mates answer the door
>he introduces himself as 'Geth the Paladin'
>awkward silence
>tell him later 'they're not playing... they were just her room mates'

when have you been autistic?

>>55140620
I like Eldritch knight myself

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>>55140740

I am clinically autistic at all times.

What's a good class, or combination of classes, if I want a mix of Damage and Skills?

>>55140654
Not my intention at all, but some classes just have a best subclass.

For many classes there are subclasses that are out of line, some above the average subclass strenght like Battlemaster, and others worse like Wot4E.

I think having worse subclasses isn't as problematic as the better ones that are out of line, because its pretty easy to just homebrew a few buffs to the weak ones. But when you roll say a fighter, you always have the constant feeling of taking a worse option or handicapping yourself by not taking Battlemaster.

>>55140768
Rogue/Bard

>>55140799
Also be a Half-elf

>>55140703
I like the idea of the official troops being called back to the mountain home, so that the local militia will have to do until...
>...the capital's military units, who are growing in strength, and will march in force to relieve them 'soon'(tm).

The subtle hints at infighting and quicky changing ranks are fun too. As well as the outpost commander just denying that anything is changing.

I might just use this post for a rough outline of my campaign. The outpost is always a fun place to start, but it slowly losing touch with the Capital also allows the base to become more challenging to hold on to as the players grow in level.

what's the most efficient way to create a skele army? spamming Animate Dead in a graveyard and using your casting for nothing else? spell scrolls? I can't decide. I want my skele death squad (hur hur).

>>55140840
A pit with ochre jellies will leave nice clean bones. Just chain someone up and throw them into the bone pit. Works great if you have some secret lair.

>>55140739
That's the safest way of homebrewing. Give it a shot.

>>55139407
tfw 5e doesn't let you play muscle wizard

Does anyone got

http://www.dmsguild.com/product/219716/Encounters-in-the-Savage-Cities?src=hottest_filtered&filters=45469

http://www.dmsguild.com/product/215866/Tome-of-Adventures?src=hottest_filtered&filters=45469

>>55140768
Rogue

>>55140872
good idea for sourcing, I'll keep that in mind. I just can't get over how inefficient any of 5e's necromancy spells are for minion-mancing the undead, even at higher levels, and I'm trying to find a way to make that more viable.

>>55140244
None of the orders really make much sense besides nomad. the biggest one is that soul knife needs to use bonus actions to attack or block with their second sword, but every single discipline that effects melee attacks uses a bonus action so that second weapon just sits pretty most of the time

>>55138392

Skilled is definitely a feat I'm tempted to grab sometimes. what did you end up having proficiency in, altogether? I feel like my ideal list would include Perception, Insight, Stealth, Acrobatics, and maybe Sleight of Hand. I wonder if Athletics for climbing would be worth it?

>>55140881
I think elemental monk might get close, with their fist of four thunders and the fist of unbroken air (which can easily be fluffed to be an Armstrong punch). Maybe water whip too.

>>55139895
Tabaxi Refluffed as a halfling aberration, which in other words, a regular halfling

>>55140881
immortal mystic?

>>55138222
Is there a design toolkit for 5E? I'd like to make some char sheets with variant rules integrated but I'm too lazy to rip all the assets.

>>55141028
>>55140995
What I personally would want to do is play a Lore Bard flavored like Alex Louis Armstrong—he can carry around some heavy object that is enchanted to play theme music to count for his bard instrument, and I'm sure a DM that enjoys fun would let them use an unarmed weapon like gauntlets as a spell focus.

>>55141127
Why need a spell focus in the first place? A component pouch is fine

>>55141127
Bards don't necessarily need an instrument. "Stirring words" work too. As a muscle wizard, I think you'd be better off as a battle bard though. Elsewise you're just a dancing wizard. Perhaps dipping into a battle class might work too. Barbarian rage does not interfere with non-concentration spells or inspirations, iirc.

>ranger swings from an airship into battle to save a villager
>lands perfectly, gets off a decent hit
What's your character's best intro to a scene?

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So quick question, I know you can download the fifth edition books online as PDF. But I want to buy a hardcover one, as a DM do you need the DM guide and the Player Handbook, or is this Player Handbook the basic you need and the DM guide only a tool not really needed to make a adventure.

>>55141398

The DM Guide is very helpful and contains a number of specific rules and resources, but you could run a game entirely off the Player's Handbook if you were so inclined.

Okay so the party is getting two new players. What's the best way to introduce a paladin and a ranger? Should they just be at the bar?

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>>55141307
>Bards don't necessarily need an instrument
>Inspires people through sheer personality and flexing
I want to play it so bad but I know my DM will say no, mostly because we're already trying to break one player of always making just off the wall memes

>>55141476
There inna woods doing Paladin and Ranger shut when the party meets them and gets roped into helping through reasons

>>55141546
They're* hate when I do that

>>55140387
>>55140550
Pls help

Just rolled a 10th level abjuration wizard. Never played a wizard so rate my spell choices.

>cantrips
Minor Illusion (forest Gnome)
Firebolt
Ray of Frost
Shocking Grasp
Mage Hand
Booming Blade

>1st level
Absorb Elements
Alarm
Featherfall
Find Familiar
Shield
Mage Armor
Detect Magic
Comprehend Languages

>2nd
Misty Step
Enlarge/Reduce
Levitate
Knock

>3rd
Counterspell
Dispel Magic
Haste
Leomund's tiny Hut
Lightning Bolt

>4th
Banishment
Mordenkainen's Private Sanctum
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere

>5th
Animate Objects
Bigby's Hand
Cone of Cold
Dominate Person

>>55141526
Why not a purple dragon knight? They're fighters that get to buff team members. Grant yourself and three players a second wind by flexing your muscles, get expertise on intimidation, make other players succeed their failed rolls through your sheer force of will.

Looking over the mystic, why does the awakened have blasty stuff that does more damage and/or has a better extra effect than the wujen elemental stuff?

>>55141307
Barbarian rage does not allow spell casting, full stop. You can neither cast while raging, nor concentrate on an on going effect.

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>>55141325

>>55141631
you probably dont need 4 attack cantrips, you should pick more utility ones
as for the spells it doesnt really matter since you are a wizard and can just find or buy more spells

>>55141761
How do their attack powers even work? They're alll tied into saves, and they just say "on a successful save, it takes half damage" without mentioning the side effect. Do those always work, or do you need them to fail the save?

>>55141902
You can cast a spell, and then proceed to rage. This can be used with spells like Aid to boost your allies before charging in, or Armor of Agathys before you start grappling opponents to death. Why not cast waterwalk on yourself before you just walk over to a pirate ship and go hulk against their hull.


The options, though limited, are fun.

>>55141631
Drop shocking grasp, it's a terrible cantrip. If you want to get out of dodge, then disengage instead. A disengage doesn't have a chance of missing.
Booming blade isn't good unless you plan on going into melee, and as a non-multiclassed wizard, that's a bad idea. Drop that one too.
For firebolt and ray of frost, you should probably just pick one or the other. I'd go with ray of frost since it's only one damage die lower and it gives you some nice on-demand crowd control.
For you new cantrips, light, mending, message, prestidigitation, and friends are all very nice
I'd also recommend taking magic missile for some decent damage that scales well with spell level

>>55141761

I asked a similar question, why do none (bar one, which gives disadvantage at the cost of focus, really weak) of the Awakened features have anything to do with blasting, mind control or battlefield control like their features?

I don't mind Awakened being more about blasting, but at least be consistent between feats and disciplines.

>>55142081
Side note: friends cantrip works best when paired with disguise self or a disguise kit. You can use it to pin the blame on a rival npc

I think Crawford says some of the dumbest things sometimes, and you have to take it at face value because he's "The rules guy"

An example being about how "Verbal components" can't be weaved into a sentence and how it has to be arcane chanting.

OK thanks dude, make it so no one could ever reasonable cast Geas, because a person chanting arcane gibberish for a minute isn't going to be suspicious or get your face punched in.

>>55138955
You and your player are both retards. Kick yourselves out of the game.

>>55142131
Damn, at first I thought Friends sucked because of the hostile intent after it wears off, but now it even sounds appealing. Time to play a many-faces warlock and fuck some NPCs up.

>>55138955

There's a Pyromancer subclass for sorcerer in Planeshift: Kaladesh.

>>55142206
>You want to cast arcane spell
>It turns out that arcane spells require arcane words
I don't think this is shocking or dumb in any fashion, honestly. What were you expecting, arcane spells to be cast through absolutely normal words that you would have to say in a specific order and fashion for a minute straight? That doesn't sound not suspicious either.

Just use it on things that are restrained. Super difficult.

>>55142206
>caster babby wants to replace actual roleplay with just mindbreaking people
fuck off, geas doesn't replace persuasion

>>55138955
>google "Pyromancer 5e"
Did he just go straight to looking for homebrew, rather than look through official material or ask you for suggestions? There are so many ways to play as a guy that shoots fire in 5e

>>55142280
>>55142257
Pretty sure that autistic player just wanted broken shit, he needed to cast two spells in one turn. What the fuck. And the DM is retard for indulging him.

>>55142225
Ooooh, that's smart.

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How would you build a super stealthy character? I have an idea for a ritualistic assassin.

>>55142206

Don't forget how he says a wildshaped Drow still suffers from sunlight sensitivity:

https://www.sageadvice.eu/2017/01/20/would-a-wildshaped-druid-still-suffer-from-sunlight-sensitivity/

>>55142257

How is it? I didn't really follow the MtG stuff.

>>55140282
>Gygax was shit at designing things
Why is this surprising?

>>55142341

But what about firebreathing wolves?

https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/12/29/could-a-dragonborn-druid-use-breath-weapon-while-wildshaped-into-like-a-wolf/

>>55142337
>>55142216

It was a combination of nerfing all the class features and the double casting that made him not want to play the class.

Again, it was his lack of system mastery that was the issue (And I can't blame anyone for not being a turbo autist about a game of pretend).

I also offered for him to play the Kaladesh/UA sorcerer pyromancer archetypes and he turned them down. It's just a stereotypical case of someone wanting to be "different" within the system without understanding why it would be detrimental to the system.

>>55142206
That's sounds reasonable, they're not just random words after all.

If geas has a long cast time it's probably because they intended it to be difficult to pull off in random situations. It's the kind of spell you use in addition to other incentives. A wizard might hire a warrior to protect his treasure, and place a geas on them to make sure they keep their end of the bargain, or a paladin might grant someone a sacred artifact to defeat an evil monster and place a geas on them so they don't just run off and sell it on the black market.

Even then, it's "only" one minute and it's not like you can't restrain someone. I'm surprised you think a one minute cast time renders the whole spell useless because I can think of plenty of situations where it could be useful.

>>55142355

it's a weaker, storm sorcerer, with fire instead of lightning.

>>55142355

The subclass is just storm sorc, with a lot of the "fluff" abilities taken out, and using fire instead of lightning.

Kaladesh is a really cool setting.

It's like Eberron except with a sort of indian vibe to it.

whats a fitting alignment for a great old one warlock? He's a college professor that stumbled across cthulu while looking into space with his magical telescope. So he's not really evil, but he is kinda losing his mind/sanity and turning into a crazy cultist

Can someone clarify Natural Explorer for me for the revised ranger?
> ignore difficult terrain
> advantage on initiative
> extra damage first round

Are these always on? Because if they are it seems borderline too strong for level 1. Am I just giving it too much credit?

>>55142427
You don't need system mastery in 5e. That's not what the system is about, you gotta change your mindset from 3.5e/PF.

He was a turbo autist for needing to cast two spells in a turn. That's not someone wanting to be different that's someone wanting to just break everything. And you were indulging him.

>>55142340
You can be a rogue or bard with proficiency and expertise in Stealth, or you can just be someone who knows Invisibility and Disguise Self, which make Stealth all but obsolete.

If I may say, though, stealth is a trap option, whether it's magical or mundane. A group is only as stealthy as its least stealthy member, and splitting the party to send one stealthy guy out alone is risking disaster for very little benefit. Far better to send a familiar out as a scout, because unlike a PC it's expendable.

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Is it just me or are dinosaurs underpowered in 5e?

>>55142480
Neutral up to the point he realises the old ones are essentially evil

then becomes evil if he furthers their goals after that point

>>55142480
CN by a long shot; just not the typical randumb version of "lol I do what I want." Chaotic because his mind is not his own, Neutral because the will of the GOO is unknowable to any save him. If you wanted to get REALLY crazy, you could even draft up a list of actions and start rolling to determine what he does each turn.

>>55142427
>system mastery in 5e
>system mastery
>in 5e
Do you actually understand the edition?

>>55142489
You don't get any extra damage on the first round; it's just easier to hit someone who hasn't taken a turn yet. Going first means very little except for the advantage you get from this very feature, difficult terrain is something most DMs forget to even use, and getting advantage on attacks for one turn (and not even in every encounter) is good but on par with the stuff that other classes get at first level like Second Wind and first-level spells.

>>55142492

For someone who is unfamiliar with how turn based games work at a deeper level they may not see how action economy is a big deal. Especially in a game like 5e with bounded accuracy. To him, casting two spells in one turn meant that he could mix spells like Grease and Firebolt to start a small fire.

And I said I would help him balance the class. Not necessarily indulging him, especially when I explained to him why and how such a class feature would be busted in comparison to his party members.

>>55142492
sorcerer being wizard but blatantly worse in every way and having a tiny pool of points to twin spells means that you not being able to actually cast two spells, just a spell and a cantrip, because someone arbitrarily decided this was too good in a game of make believe and gambling, is retarded

>>55142516
Dinosaurs are just animals. What the hell are you expecting from them?

What's the best multiclass for a Rogue? Campaign will run to level 15/16

>>55142656
its not worse if you want to play an evoker with raw power in your veins

>>55142605
You said he brought you something woefully broken
>Player wants to change his character's class
>Sends me a D&D Wiki homebrew class that's woefully broken (Full Wizard Spellcasting, can cast two spells in a single turn, casting stat to AC, Always on Hellish Rebuke, Always on Flame Blade at 4th level, casting stat to spell damage, Scorching Ray cast at a higher level
that also scales up just because, free bonus action dash that also does scaling damage to enemies that walk in the path, Can remove fire immunity/resistance and give it to another person, etc.)

Even someone who doesn't understand the system would know that's way too much. Unless he was pretending to be retarded. Even first timers don't bring in stupid shit.

Your fault for even attempting to balance that mess.

>>55142595
Makes sense.
So is the ranger supposed to fall closer to fighter than rogue? I always was under the assumption that they were the sneaky/shooty type, but they look like they can definitely hold their own in a fight, plus their HP gain isn't too bad either

>>55142536

Okay. You have two people, one who has never played the game and someone who understands everything about the game.

If both of them try to make the most optimal character, are they both going to make the same character? Obviously no. Which person is going to make the most optimal character? The person who understands the game more, of course.

>>55142688

> BRUH JUST PLAY A BLATANTLY WORSE OPTION FOR THE FLAVOR

Or I could just reflavor a wizard to be an evoker with raw power in his veins, and also be playing a class that provides more to the party in almost every conceivable way?

>>55142684
Not a lot, really. Possibly bladesinger. Rogues are the only martials that don't really benefit from a couple of levels in fighter because you only get one sneak attack a round. Remaining a rogue ensures that your sneak attack dice stay as high as they can be, plus it means you have very few limited-use abilities and you can go all-out in every fight.

>>55142684
Bladesinger 2/6 + Arcane Trickster X is fun

>>55142755
One sneak attack per turn.

>>55142746
In 5e that discrepancy doesn't actually matter all that much, only if you bring in stupid broken shit will it effect anything in any meaningful way.

You must change your mindset from playing 3.5e/PF.

>>55142779
Okay, if you get an opportunity attack or have a buddy with Commander's Strike, you can sneak attack when it's not your turn. But the fact remains that rogues get very little benefit from extra attacks.

>>55142746
You're playing 5e not 3.xe variants. Get with the times.

>>55142746
Do you actually understand 5e at all?

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>>55142675
Just an animal, huh? OK, try to imagine yourself in the Cretaceous Period. You get your first look at this "animal" as you enter a clearing. He moves like a bird, lightly, bobbing his head. And you keep still because you think that maybe his visual acuity is based on movement like T-Rex - he'll lose you if you don't move. But no, not Velociraptor. You stare at him, and he just stares right back. And that's when the attack comes. Not from the front, but from the side, from the other two raptors you didn't even know were there. Because Velociraptor's a pack hunter, you see, he uses coordinated attack patterns and he is out in force today. And he slashes at you with a six-inch retractable claw, like a razor, on the the middle toe. He doesn't bother to bite your jugular like a lion, say... no no. He slashes at across the belly, spilling your intestines. The point is, you are alive when they start to eat you. So you know, try to show a little respect.

>>55142754
this post doesnt refute anything i've said

I played adventurer's league for the first time just now.
The fucking horror stories are true.

Over half the table never played the game before and 3 of them were lolsoevil and randumxD warlocks and a rogue.
Plus the DM doesn't use passive perception that is a huge pet peeve.

Fuck. Couple of the guys were alright. Hoping the problem people leave and I can slowly get the DM to start using the actual rules for perception. If not, I'm gonna bounce to another table asap.

>>55142733

It's almost like you've never been new to something. Let's just assume you've been the best at every game flat out from the beginning. Let's reiterate that he said he was willing to work with me to balance the class.

>>55142796
>In 5e that discrepancy doesn't actually matter all that much
The point is that there is a discrepancy. And someone how is bad at these kinds of games and math, might not see why these sorts of things can pose a problem. Not everyone is as good as the people here at this game. It seems like second nature to everyone here but to others there's work they have to go through before they're that good.

>>55142819
>>55142844
To a new player, do they automatically know that PHB Ranger is absolute shit? No they don't. Just flip that situation around. Instead of playing a completely shit character and not understanding why, they are playing a completely broken character and not understanding why.

>>55142904
Even if you're new to something you don't bring in stupid shit.
Then why were you autistically complaining?

>>55142081
>Booming blade isn't good unless you plan on going into melee


I was planning on using it in combo with Misty Step to GTFO if something reaches me. At level 11 Booming Blade will do 5d8 to anything that tries to pursue me

>>55142904
The discrepancy isn't a big deal at all, definitely not as much as you make it out to be.
And the PHB ranger actually isn't terrible. It still works at what it does.

Do you even understand 5e at all?

>>55142939

That's part of being new. You do stupid shit. I'm complaining because I spent time trying to do work and was written off. I'm only defending my friend because fuck you, stop acting like you were always reasonable about everything you ever did. Legit, how are you in 5eg and simultaneously saying that everyone should understand the game to the level that you do?

>>55142480
What if every time you need to say something or perform an action, you use a d9 to determine which alignment to act as?
It'd be even more chaotic than chaotic alignment, because you wouldn't even consistently be chaotic.

>>55142848
Why am I being hunted by featherless Deinonychus'?

Velociraptors were about the size of a turkey.

>>55142990
You might be overly enthusiastic when you're new but you still don't do stupid shit.
If you're defending your friend you shouldn't have made him out to be an autistic retard in your post.

You don't need to understand the system well at all, that is the point you fucking retard. You don't need system mastery, that isn't what the system is about at all, you fucking autist. Fuck off to playing Pathfinder.

>>55142904
My group is all new players. Two of them picked monk. Both of them picked WoTFE. I feel like that answers that question enough.

>>55142848
(Also, T-Rex's had great eye sight. And it had a strong sense of smell.)

>>55142853

it does if you know or care anything about game balance.

Fluff can be applied to any class, so you can't defend a class being a worse version of another class by saying the fluff is better.

>>55141976
>you should pick more utility ones

like what? I don't think Friends fits the character since I have 10 CHA and we have a bard already. Mending looks tempting but thinking back on the previous games I've had under this DM I can't remember a single time when I needed to repair a nonmagical object. Message is dumb because if you need to send a secret telepathic message without alerting anyone they're still going to see and hear you casting the spell. Blade Ward and True Strike are just trash.

I guess that leaves Create Bonfire, Light, Dancing Lights, and Prestidigitation. None of them completely worthless but also none of them very tempting, especially since I have Darkvision already.

>>55142983

I'm not making the discrepancy out to be a big deal. All I'm saying is, it's possible to see cool class features and want them while also not understanding that they're busted because you don't view the game in that light. Wanting more actions isn't always a malicious attempt to break the system. It's like the posts I see around here occasionally about how people want to homebrew in more non-attacking actions like shoving as a part of attacks for more movement based combat.

If the PHB Ranger isn't terrible, how is the general consensus to use the UA Ranger? I can assure you that the PHB Beastmaster is absolute trash.

>>55143052
I never once called him an autistic retard in my post. All I was upset about was that the class was busted, I spent time trying to fix it, and then the player didn't wanna play it anymore.

>You don't need to understand the system well at all, that is the point you fucking retard. You don't need system mastery, that isn't what the system is about at all, you fucking autist. Fuck off to playing Pathfinder.
Lmao okay. Keep thinking that everyone plays this game at the same level. Why are you so opposed to the idea that the game takes time and effort to learn? Everything no matter how simple takes time and effort to properly learn.

>>55143055
Exactly. New players just pick shit that sounds cool regardless of whether it works or not.

>>55143157

Prestidigitation and light are great.

>>55143150
but it isnt just fluff if the sorcerer is literally a better evoker

>>55143017
I like this idea, but probably not at first. Maybe once he's significantly leveled up and can cast spells that actually draw on the power of the old ones. At that point he'll have basically completely lost his mind

>>55143188
>sorcerer
>a better evoker
You are aware that evokers are still wizards, right?

>>55143206
If you wanted a toned-down version to start with, you could only take one component of the alignment you roll instead of both.
Like, instead of being True Insane, you could be Insane Good or Lawful Insane or something like that, meaning your actions would only be partially random.

>>55143184

Think I'll just drop Shocking Grasp for Prestidigitation then. I'm not too worried about creating light.

>>55143254
yes and sorcerers are better at it

so if all I care about is godlike destruction then sorcerer is the choice

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>>55138602
>including Volo's Guide races literally right on the front fucking page
>start raising money through a widely-advertised Kickstarter
>expect not to be taken down
What the fuck did they think would happen?

>>55141697
It's more of the character concept, our that guy has not made a character that isn't a meme every since we started playing. His latest was Prog, a half-orc(part dwarf or hafling I forget) who acted like Jack Black because he wanted to use bagpipes and play real bagpipe music to "inspire".

>>55143168
You were making the discrepancy out to be more of an issue than it is, especially so because you needed to master the system in your words. This isn't so, change your thinking.
It's also possible to see all the cool class features and not want them all at the same time, it's called being reasonable and not going full autistic retard.
Homebrew on the whole for 5e completely misunderstands what the edition is going for in terms of power scaling and assumed power levels.

Except the PHB ranger does work out of the box, and it's good that devs actually listened to feedback.
Have you actually played the PHB beastmaster or are you just parroting opinions?

You implied he was being an unreasonable shit in your post, and are you autistic yourself? I didn't mean the literal definition.

You don't need to master the system. Why are you so adamant that you must and that there will be a discrepancy in characters in people who do and those who don't? You need to actually understand 5e first.
If learning 5e takes a shit ton of time then you're a literal retard, the game is simplified to the point where you can just pick it up.

The WoTFE still works out of the box, which is more than most classes from most game systems.

Again, you need to actually understand 5e. This can't be stressed enough.

>>55138919
People keep saying paladins don't answer to a god anymore, but SCAG says they do in Faerun, which let's face it, is where everyone is playing.

When are we getting a Tomb of Annihilation leak then?

Will I hate myself eventually for picking Primal Savagery instead of Shillelagh as my druid combat cantrip? It's basically 1d10 nonmagical (and free hands for what little it matters) vs 1d8 magical, and how often am I going to be fighting something resistant to nonmagical attacks and not just using a wild shape?

>>55142848
It's ok senpai I at least understood the reference

>>55143570
the only downside to primal savagery (at the levels that matter, which are low) is that its average damage is going to be lower than shillelagh, but otherwise go wild lad. You don't have to worry about nonmagical resistance either, because it IS magical

>>55138993

I had fun as a Swashbuckler just because I get to be faster than everyone and move in and out of melee all the time. You're stuck attacking every turn, but the movement part is still fun. Also Rogues are probably the only class in the game that can do anything with thrown weapons since they can get Sneak Attack and are only attacking once per turn anyway.

I'd say my least favorites are Fighter and Barbarian.

Never played:
Warlock
Druid
Ranger

>>55138895
Well, you say it culminates with a boss fight, but honestly the best call is to not fight it at all and ignore it

Give me dwarf ideas.

>>55142755
>>55142774
That's a good point, I was thinking of dipping into Warlock or Wizard, but I might just stay Rogue.

>>55143432
Huh never have read through SCAG, only grabbed bits and pieces I needed. Also that kinda sucks but doesn't affect our group at least, since we just do homebrew settings and don't get hung up on the specific place it's in in DnD. The reasoning I came up with for paladins using magic is through their Charisma, they are literally enforcing their will on the weave to produce the magic they want.

>>55143430

Alright, I must be speaking to an actual retard to let me break it down for you.

>You were making the discrepancy...change your thinking.
Someone who is better at the game will make a better character. Yes or no?

>Except the PHB ranger...parroting opinions?
Yes I have. Compared to my other party members, a lot of my class features were a bit too situational and not quite at the power level of other classes.

>You implied he was being an unreasonable shit in your post, and are you autistic yourself? I didn't mean the literal definition.
No. I implied that I spent time trying to balance the class only for nothing to come of it and that the player didn't quite understand how two spells per turn would break the system.

>If learning 5e takes a shit ton of time...the game is simplified to the point where you can just pick it up.
Never said it takes a ton of time. I only said it takes time and effort. Yes it is simplified to the point where you can pick it up. But, again, can someone who is new to D&D understand why damage is more optimal than healing? Why action economy is important? Why blasting spells aren't always the best? Why variant human is often times the most optimal choice? Why Charisma is a great casting stat? Why Fighters get so many ASIs? None of this is particularly difficult to understand, but will they understand all of this right out the gate?

I can answer this for you in case you're having trouble. No, they won't.

>The WoTFE...most game systems.
Yes, it works. But the new player won't understand why it isn't a great class.

>Again, you need to actually understand 5e. This can't be stressed enough.
5e is a game. In any game there are options that are better or certain things that are too good. Someone who doesn't fully understand the game might not understand why this is. Understand this. This can't be stressed enough.

>>55143625
Somehow I glossed over the fact that Savagery is a fucking spell and thus magical by definition. Whoops. But yeah, I figured as much. Savagery also scales, in case I do for some reason want to use it at later levels. The more I actually read the spell properly the more I feel like I'll be happy with it. I just wanted it for flavor reasons at first but now it seems downright competitive with Shillelagh.

>>55143661
take some inspiration from warhammer dwarves, they're funny mother fuckers

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Book_of_Grudges

>>55143724
Primal Savagery can be used while silenced, disarmed and not holding a focus.

Hardly ever comes up but I like being aware of which spells I can rely on when I have literally nothing.

>>55142206
Geas isn't a "Mynewslavesayswhat?" "What?" "AHA!" spell you numbskull, it's for making pacts, mostly NPC use or for players trying to invest in a bit extra leverage with untrustworthies. Ideally used in diplomacy against willing, or at least, accepting targets.

Or can you knock someone out and then Geas them? That also works I think.

paladin 2/sorcerer x, warlock 2/sorcerer x, or bard 2/sorcerer x

>>55143712
Hahaha, whatever helps you sleep better at night, buddy.

>Someone who is better at the game will make a better character. Yes or no?
This is a remarkably simplistic view of looking at things and remarkably retarded. The answer is it depends, but not always.
Can you actually understand that or do you want me to break it down for your simplistic little mind?

>Yes I have. Compared to my other party members, a lot of my class features were a bit too situational and not quite at the power level of other classes.
Sure you have. But were you useful in your role? Being situational in some things is good.
And why do you persist in thinking of the game in terms of power levels? Do you actually understand 5e at all?

>No. I implied that I spent time trying to balance the class only for nothing to come of it and that the player didn't quite understand how two spells per turn would break the system.
Then stop throwing a little bitch tantrum. You did imply he was being an unreasonable shit in your post.

What do you think time and effort is, you fucking retard.
And all of that blathering diarrhoea coming out of your mouth isn't actually needed right off the bat because you don't need to master the system. And that is different to what your player wanted, to be unreasonably op.
Your thinking needs to change from an overly autistic mindset to actually understanding what 5e is, stop being autistic.

The WoTFE is still a workable class and not the shit class you were implying it is, it still works a lot better than other classes in other systems.

5e is a game where it's not as important if the certain things are better and even if the certain things are better it's still not a big deal. Understand that you fucking retard, this can't be stressed enough.
If you're insist on being severely autistic and thinking in terms of power levels, fuck off to Pathfinder where you can masturbate to numbers in a spreadsheet and masturbate to mastering the system.

let's hear some of your big goods and big bads.

>Big Good

Lawful Good Lich King who only became a lich because everyone else in line to the thrown would have practically thrown the kingdom into chaos. People in the kingdom are encouraged to willingly give up their body after death to repay their debts in life (Basically you welfare so long as you agree to give up your body upon death). Undead are are used as workers for public facilities and construction.
He's kept alive by feeding the phylactery the souls of death row inmates (It's a good deterrent, but it doesn't always help).

>Big bad

A head of a large corporation that produces magitech and distributes it to both sides of a war in an attempt to keep it ongoing so that they can profit. The magitech is also basically powered by burning away the noosphere.

>>55143964

*Throne

Jesus fucking christ.

>>55143329
Until you realize that you're limited to one element and they erratta'd it so you only get to add cha to ONE roll of damage per spell. No more +cha to every ray of scorching ray.
It's bullshit I know.

Meanwhile you can be a wizard and add +int to every one of your evocation spells no element restriction, can sculpt spells as to COMPLETELY not deal damage to allies, and even do shit like +int magic missiles bullshit.

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>>55138887
Paladins are the worst, man. They are pretty much useless goodie two-shoes assholes lol who wouldnt want them in the party I certainly wouldn't. At my table we ban that class because its so unfun and clearly overpowered lol am I right fellow mortals?

>>55143846
Why tho?

>>55143964
If you don't mind, I'll adapt the lich to one of my villains. That's what she THINKS she's doing, but really she's just slaughtering people.

>>55143964
I've got an ancient red dragon that took over a kingdom with the help of the people but then became ruthless ruler. It's basically just a shitty communism metaphor because it works. When PCs get there it's basically gonna be vietnam.

>>55144015

>Nerfing the sorc even more, in the one area where they excel

Jesus fucking christ Crawford you massive faggot.

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>>55139008
DELETE THIS

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>>55138919
>lawful no fun allowed
I'd much rather play with a group like this than the "lol I'm so wacky and evil :3 let's do evil things justbecause I'm chaotic neutral btw"

>>55144048

>Red Dragon

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

Does allowing a bonus action spell and a full action spell to be used in a single turn really break anything that badly? Honest question, I am not that familiar with 6e.

>>55144042
Because sorcerer is actually pretty good if you multiclass into other CHA classes

>>55144059
Yeah I know. He is a faggot literally and figuratively.
Can't have anyone being better than wizards at anything now can we?
My house rule is that sorcerers can still add it to everything. And if they are a dragon sorc and they want to take a spell that thematically fits their element but isn't on the sorcerer's list because for some reason sorcerer's get shit on there too, then I let them take it. Same goes for wind sorcerer's I guess.

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>>55144062
haha that's right! Just a normal, average mortal here who hates Paladins and made some shitty bait!

>>55144100
Yeah, I think they'll enjoy it though. It actually came about from the background of a player in the last campaign I ran in the same setting as a result of their actions. But this is a completely new group.

>>55144031
>Im a Litch.jpg
hmm

>>55144119

But wizard got that nerf too

>Empowered Evocation (p. 117). The
damage bonus applies to one damage roll of a spell, not multiple rolls.

>>55144163
Yeah but magic missile is only rolled once so you still get the damage boost to every missile

>>55144015
uhh cant you just use sorcery points to get max damage though

or at the very least much higher than a wizard

>>55143963

Stop fanboying the game so hard and just understand that it's a game like anything else. In any game with player input, there is strategy and optimal moves. RPS, Tic-Tac-Toe, Checkers, no matter how simple. This is a fact. For an extreme example, you can tell me how Lore Bard and PHB Beastmaster Ranger are in different "tiers". If you say they are equally strong you are a liar. Now, someone who doesn't understand the game to the level that you do won't be able to.

It's not even autistic thinking, it's a simple understanding of game design. Again, stop fanboying and look at things from a distance for a moment. This has nothing to do with 3.5 or PF. I'm not even saying it's a big deal, the only thing I'm trying to get at, is that a new player will have trouble understanding what is good and what is bad.

If you can't understand me, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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>>55144162
That's just the name of the file anon-chan! You don't really think Liches can even use the internet do you? I'm really JFK, see?

>>55142503

One of the reasons why I love a Ranger/Monk for a stealth character is that the least stealthy person in the group is still pretty stealthy.

>>55144221

A wizard can get max damage too, yes there are punishments for doing it more than once in the form of damage, but with a wider spell list, ability to regain spell slots during a short rest with arcane recovery and the ability to prepare rituals, they're just flat out better.

What saving throws are the most effective to aim for? What stat do most enemies suck at?

>>55144221
No you cannot.
You can use sorcery points to reroll a certain amount of damage dice, though. And you can use sorcery points to make a target have disadvantage on their save.
But unless your twinning or quickening spells, sorc points are often better used for making more spell slots for more fireballs.
That is unless you're a cool guy and took subtle spell, because subtle spell is the best use of sorcery points.

>>55144294
Sorcerer can't even deal max damage.
But wizards can.

>>55144237
Are you actually fucking retarded? Who has been fanboying, you fucking autist.
I've always been saying you goddamn need to understand the system first before you talk shit and you clearly don't. Actually understand the system first you continue to blather shit.

It doesn't matter that the lore bard and the PHB beastmaster ranger are in different tiers because the tiers aren't that important, get that into your overly simplistic mind. Even if you have the two classes in the game, it doesn't matter that there's a slight discrepancy between the two, not to the extent that something like PF would mess it up.

Who has been fanboying, you fucking delusional retard, how about you stop being a delusional shit and actually look at the game instead of looking at a series of autistic numbers and power levels and mastering the system, you fucking autist.

Crawford is a faggot.
Wizards are favorite class.
Popular d&d streams such as critical role, both of the most powerful wizard npcs are gay, adventure zone they're gay or gay and transgender.

Fucking faggots and their color sprays.

>>55144310
INT and CHA are relatively unusual saving throws generally.

>>55144347

I don't know why but I thought Sorc had a metamagic called Potent Spell that let them do that.

Then again, I don't play sorcs, because they're bad at everything.

>>55144310
Dexterity, Constitution and Wisdom are the big saves. Wisdom is the mind control save and dexterity is the trap/blast save. Consitution is extremely important too due to concentration and poisons.

>>55144310

Int is probably the weakest, followed by cha, then strength

Dex, Con and Wis are all strong saving throws.

>>55144387
Nah, but empowered spell will let you do the rerolls.

>>55144358
before* you continue to blather shit.

>>55144402

Then again, the rolls could be lower and you're forced to use the new rolls.

Jesus christ they really should have merged Warlock and Sorc shouldn't they?

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>>55144358

Calm down broseph, it's just a game.

>>55144433
It is just a game, which means you actually look at the game instead of looking at a series of autistic numbers and power levels and mastering the system, you fucking autist.
Stop being severely autistic.

>>55142369
>>55142341
At least he's consistent about racial stats transferring over to wildshape.