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First for the great Corruptor yes-yes!!!

>>55089235
>>55089341
>>55089361

Okay so, new player question again. lord of war, crown of conquest, formations... where are all these defined? I haven't seen these terms anywhere before and I've been digging through the GHB17 I just got. Sigmar seems to pop out tons of little random things that seem important and I have a lot of trouble finding documentation on them.

Am I missing some other important book? I got the 4 page rules and the GHB but there's still lots that I apparently dont have

Been thinking about making a Death army. Don't currently play AoS but I really like the aesthetic of Skeletons and Ghosts - less so into zombies and vampires. Is this a good idea Y/N?

>>55089451
LoW and CoC are under the chaos allegiance abilities. Formations are just force organizations that give the units in them a bonus, and allows you a second artifact

>>55089451
>Okay so, new player question again. lord of war, crown of conquest, formations... where are all these defined?
General's Handbook and battletomes. The general grand alliance abilities are listed in general's handbook as "allegiance abilities order/chaos/destruction/death". Some battalions are placed in the GHB17 too but usually you should look after them in battletomes

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>>55089444
Calling it in for the rats

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>>55089444
>>55089546
As much as I love me some rats I think it's time to take back the HOLDS

>>55089465
Deathrattle and NHs got new cheap boxes. NHs also have allegiance abilities now. Sadly, you can't ally them so choose wisely mate

>>55089516

Ah I see them now. They are in that D6 table. Do people typically just play with whatever choice or do people actually roll at the start of the game to pick the trait/artefact?

Anyone know where I can get a pdf of grand alliance Chaos? I don't want to buy the book and rules are no longer free.

What's a common build for undead?

>>55089420
Have a few questions that hopefully someone can answer:

- Are there any stat changes for units, or are changes mostly points?

- Stormfiends are listed as being changed, but I see no difference from them in the first generals handbook

- I keep hearing that clanrats are made much worse now, but I see no reason why. Can someone explain?

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>>55089559
Fuck Ironbreakers and fuck the Treacherous Old Gods.

>>55089630
For what purpose would you need a grand alliance book?

>>55089653
Now their bravery makes them run more since you can only take one crown of conquest and they didn't get the strength in numbers ability.

>>55089669
So I could have the warscrolls and battalions for all the chaos units without battletomes.

>When your army qualifies for more than
one allegiance you must choose which allegiance your army will
use before you set up any units. The allegiance you choose will
apply forthe duration of the battle, even if you add new units to
the army during the battle that have a different allegiance.


Why do we need allies if we can do this ? Cant we just use whatever allegiance we want if we have at least one unit with that allegiance in our army ?

>>55089669

what >>55089716 said

Warscrolls for like, clanrats, stormvermin, skaven warlords, etc. If you try to get them on the GW website now its just the ammend page that says to use the warscrolls for clanrats, stormvermin and warlords...

>>55089561

I just looked at the new points tables and Vargheists are battleline for Soulblight and that's kinda neat. Soulblight can also ally with both DR and NH so maybe that's not so bad. I thought the only way to do a SB army was for Blood Knights which I hate. Thanks anon.

>>55089775
Considering how deathrattle is likely more popular than NH and they have actual leadership, they'll probably be getting a battletome sooner thanlater

>>55089724
All units need to share an allegiance though, to use the allegiance abilities. But if you included units without the same keyword, you couldn't use the abilities. Allies bypass this, so the core army can still pick an allegiance.

For example, say you had a full StD army. If you added a Bullgore (without allies being a mechanic) you wouldn't be eligible to use the StD allegiance abilities. But with allies, you have 200-400 points to spend on units from outside your allegiance, yet still on a list of allowed armies, to add without breaking the allegiance.

rather expensive army money wise but Im planning to start collecting this army.

Cauldron Of Blood (200)
Cauldron Of Blood (200)
Tenebrael Shard (120)

30 x Witch Aelves (270)
30 x Witch Aelves (270)
20 x Witch Aelves (200)
Death Hag (60)

5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)
5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)
3 x Bloodwrack Medusae (360)

Total: 2000/2000

>>55089808
aw, that ruined how i wanted to play my army....
Why cant i just add some cannons and a magican to my free people army without giving up on the sweet new rules ?

>>55089836
Freeguild can ally with collegiate arcane and ironweld, so yeah. You have 200 points at 1k and 400 at 2k.

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Should I left this list as it is or drop the Saurus Scar-Veteran and use the Saurus Oldblood (120) and a unit of 20 skinks (120) instead? I can always asseble one Carnosaur kit as Troglodon (180) but I will end up with 60 unused points. I'm just using 2x SC box with Skink Oracle converted as Skink Starpriest

Heroes
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
- General
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (240)
- War Spear
Skink Starpriest (80)

Battleline
20 x Saurus Warriors (200)
- Spears
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Lances
- Seraphon Battleline
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Lances
- Seraphon Battleline

Total: 1000/1000

What a good choice for starting Disciples of Tzeentch for 1k-1.5k points?

>>55089649
Tomb Kings NK spam

>>55089824
The couldren of bloods ability stacks
Take another one

>>55089865
yeah, but isnt enough for what i planned....
Damn rules, wont let me have any fun by taking the fun away from others...

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>>55089916
I didnt know

Is a mixed skaven army with the chaos allegiance rules good?

Just run them as generic order and take the command trait that lets you ignore battleshock
Pile all your crossbowmen, pistoliers and rockets around your general and a hurricanum, bubblewrapped by a giant block of swordsmen
Aint nobody getting through

>>55089862
how can degenerats even compete?

>>55089947
No, because you have to base it on verminus. They just lost their basic battalion and two most important abilities. I'm not implying they are unplayable but I wouldn't pick them as competitive army - for casual games they should be okay

t. Mixed-skaven player

>>55089947
Not any more. Wait for Verminous book, or play Skryre/Pestilens with allies.

>>55089964
that would also work, but it wouldnt be the same.
i think i will take a nap and come back once i have accepted that i cant always have what i want

>>55089922
Then play Open or Narrative.

Disciples of Tzeentch any good as a first army? Love the minis? Also some arguments to get some friends into AoS? Really wanna play the game with friends and would like compelling arguments.

>>55089997
>>55090002
That sucks. Why would they nerf them like that?
Also, is a Verminus book ever actually coming out?

>>55089983
By blowing up a moon and effectively fucking over your leadership

>>55090192
no one at my store does that though

>>55090368

They didn't. It's perfectly fine to play a Verminus army using the Chaos Allegiance rules. You still get LoW and CoC so it works out great. This thread just wants to bitch and moan because their cheesy WAACfag shit can't work in tournament play anymore. Skaven are still perfectly acceptable and competitive

>>55089906
Preferably factions than still exist please.

>>55090508
>You still get LoW and CoC so it works out great
>on 3+ and 5+
Yeah, it works perfectly fine
>>55090368
Listen me mate. Do you want to play tournaments and shit? If yes then mixed-skaven is not your thing. If you want to play casual games with friends then play with anything you find cool. My skaven list was slightly better than casual but now is mediocre at best. Praying for a single 5+ roll is not something that I want to do but I'm not gonna burn my models like salty fantasyfags. Just grab as many WLC as you can use and accept the fact that verminus units are no longer your offensive force but they new role is to spam the board and block your enemy as long as you can to snipe his/her shit with cannons and engineers

>>55090644
their new role*

>>55090587
I friend of mine run Manfred or Neferata with 3 Archaï units, one of blood knights and a few skeleton blobs.

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Compared to verminus and skryre, how are pestilens this edition?

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>>55089889
Bump

Can anyone upload a copy of the old Skaven compendium pdf? I don't want to buy another book to start an army.

>>55091075
Useless as ever. Shit heros, shit battlelines, shit tactics

>>55091181
Go to OP pastebin and try one of the megalinks

>>55091181
Here ya go dude:
https://mega.nz/#!VmhRlYiQ!l4M4HDjM6Yyokw9ToF1RC6je5SHkSJa1RrLSnWz8Ep0

Are there no pdfs of grand alliance books?

Why??

>>55091348
https://mega.nz/#!C5BSgTDK!Sx74f87D86frlU0NZ1XKyGP0WEgar52X1Hatj1OA5y0
here you go anon

Why the fuck is the Mourngul 400 points?

>>55091348
Because there is no digital version of them - people are not willing to buy a book, cut it and scan every single page
>>55091378
He was not asking about GHB mate

>>55091075
Pretty good desu. With the bravery buff from the battle traits, and a furnace, a 30 monk block will have 12 bravery. This and putting a liber and master of rot and ruin on the furnace (best small game general) with a few other priests about gives you a ton of prayers, for which the roll of 6 triggers a nasty plague. Corruptors haven't changed much. Censers are still shit. Plague claws are good for a foulrain list where the priest is the general and has architect of death.

>>55091383
Why is a vampire on a dragon 440 points?

>>55090485
Not even if you ask nicely?

>>55091404
Because heroes in AoS are fucking useless?

>>55091473
You might be playing a different game Anon

Am I doing it right? First Age of Sigmar list, because I got a Ironjawz Megaboss as a gift and decided to pick up a "Start collecting: Ironjawz" box to go with it.

-Ironjawz Megaboss

-Ironjawz Warchanter x 2

-Ironjawz Shaman

-Black orc Big Boss

-Ardboyz (20-man unit)

-Ironjawz Brutes x4 (4x 5-man units)

-Ironjawz Gore-Gruntas (6-man unit)

Are handgunners still battleline? Please god say yes

>980/1000 points
>literally impossible to take anything more without overflow
How are you supposed to round your list up to the last point if you cannot take just a couple extra models for a unit or a cheap item for some hero, or add a command group, etc?

>>55091526
Find an ironfist battalion and build your army around it

>>55091535
20 points is not a big deal.

>>55091392
Because there is no digital version of them - people are not willing to buy a book, cut it and scan every single page

I just want the warscrolls, shame there isn't even like pictures though..

I've been thinking of making a slaanesh 1k army with the Lord on demonic mount as a sort of tarpit general. I know hellstriders work well with him but I'd like some other mortal slaanesh unit. Ive been looking at chosen on foot but they feel too slow. Any ideas?

>>55089669

so that he has the artefacts and traits for a GA Chaos army

>>55091533
Yes, so are greatswords and demigryph knights with free peoples allegiance

>>55091689
just google the name of the battalion you need Anon

>>55091535

Don't worry about it. Don't you get to roll on some special table if you have less points than your opponent anyways?

>>55091689
You can literally find those on the website and in the app. Another reason why nobody scans the grand alliance books, they hardly contain unique content

>>55091526
Black Orc Boss is no longer legal.

>>55091710
But those are in the General's Handbook.

>>55091383
WHY the fuck is the free guild general on Griffin ***260*** points

It was undercosted at 300

It's price reduction fully pays for the increase in price of the battalion

Also 130 point outriders are almost viable

>>55091767
Huh. Well I guess he's getting replaced by a 2nd weirdnob shaman.

I confess that this "list" was built with the rather wonky GW "warscroll" builder.

>>55091759
>You can literally find those on the website and in the app
Stop forcing this meme. Most of the warscroll battalions are paid on the app

>>55091759
>>55091750
What are the rules of SCreaming Bell.

It isn't on the website

>>55091822
The GW warscroll builder is perfectly fine, you just have to know what are you doing. Also the point values on the builder are not updated yet

>>55089649
The Bone Zone. Blobs of skeleton warriors with a With King using it's Infernal Standard and a Necromancer or two using their unique spell. Hardy and deadly list.

>>55091834
>go to OP
>find a megalink in the pastebin
>download the old skaven compendium
Here you go

>>55090378
Did you forget that we went to space? In our GLORIOUS golden temples?

>>55091865
Is that official GW approved?

>>55091936
It WAS until the GHB17 release. I see no "new" rules for the bell. Hell, we don't even know if the old ones are still usable or not

>warscroll builder still not updated
Ah yes, very professional

>>55091936
Are you perhaps stupid?

>>55091704
Chaos knights?

>>55091973
? So the old compendium rules ar ethe same as GA: Chaos rules, correct?

>>55091965
Yeah that is what I figured!

>>55091993
It's still the newest version of the warscroll.

Is it a good idea to run the Firelance Starhost with 5-model units?

Heroes
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
- General
Skink Starpriest (80)

Battleline
20 x Saurus Warriors (200)
- Spears
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Lances
- Seraphon Battleline
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Lances
- Seraphon Battleline
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Lances
- Seraphon Battleline

Battalions
Firelance Starhost (110)

Total: 970/1000

>>55089630
Can't. Theyre print-only. Goes for all the GA books.

I want to go with full arachnospam in AoS. Got new ally box with big spider and 10 small ones, and one box of 10 small ones. What should I aim for 1k? 2 Big ones and fill as much smaller as possible?

>>55092184
Not anymore.
A lot of the new scenarios need higher model count.
You can have 5 knights sitting on an objective, 1 unit of 20 skeles or rats run in, steal/destroy the objective, and flee.
Your dudes don't even need to get attacked and they wouldn't be able to kill them fast enough.

>>55092319
1 big spider with a shaman, 1 big boss, and 3 groups of small spiders is good. Just keep in mind that mortal wound spam on spiders isn't as good as it used to be with the changes to Bellowing Tyrant and Battle Brew.

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>>55089862
>>55089983
>>55090378
>>55091935

I perfected it.

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>>55092394
>light armor
Greatswords wear the best armor purchasable by man

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>>55092406
yes but they aren't covering their entire body.
Its just applied on parts. They don't even wear gauntlets

>>55092394
>too fat and bulky to move quickly
>Liberators have move 5 - same as Greatswords
Stormraped Eternalcuck btfo again

>>55091828
Boy howdy, $2.00 is a lot of money.

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>>55092406
Best in terms of craftsmanship. Doesn't mean its heavy.

Also this is what the ideal amount of armor for a warrior of sigmar.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

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>>55092541
That actually looks really cool desu.

>>55092541
>>55092587
Those are Chris Peach's if I am right.

The fucker knocks out units like that in a few hours. He is the guy that taught Duncan how to speed paint.

His entire Free Peoples army is converted like that as well. If you watched Warhammer Live you would probably see his stuff a lot.
You can see them on the Warhammer Community website, or just look for ChrisPeach001 on twitter and look through the photos.

What is good for Skaven for 1500? Allegiance abilities and artifacts in particular

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>>55092700
>>55092587
This is why Free People are my fav order faction. You can do whatever you want and because they are regular humans, so many bits fit their scale.

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>>55092700

>>55092793
>You can do whatever you want and because they are regular humans, so many bits fit their scale.
Mind to show us your kitbashing?

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>>55092849
Shame that stormkike ruins the photo

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>>55092849

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>>55092887

>>55092886
>stormcuck suckternal striking again
Oh boi

>>55091971
Still having trouble with first grade addition, anon?

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>>55092914

>>55092941
I can see why he didn't wan't to paint these dudes helmets in white.

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Who needs Femcast Eternals when you can easily make Fem-Greatswords instead?

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>>55092959

>>55092969
>separate boob-plate
The kitbash is great but the model itself

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>>55092978

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>>55093045

>>55092978
>>55092959
Blood Warriors and Bloodreavers have great heads for conversions

>>55092541
It's gomril armor, it's very heavy

In fact in 4th they literally had Heavy Armor in their equipment

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>>55092793
>>55092919
>>55092959
>>55092941
>>55092941
>>55092969

What a LAME looking army. Whats with all the different colors?
Its 2017. Get with this times.
THIS is what a proper AoS army looks like.

>>55093045
>>55093067
>even elves can be humans
Best conversion range ever

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>>55093100
>Stormraped Shiteater SCE false flagging again

>>55093100
I hope aelves never get an update

>>55093143
I hate babies.

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>>55093143
Nice argument you have there samecast.

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>>55093100
Best thing that happened to our group was when the unpainted dark elf grognard finally quit. I'll take a dumb but well intentioned SCE newbie over a dude who can't stop saying cuck for 5 minutes

>>55093173
>giving a fuck about plastic penises
>Being this faggy
You must love the SCE - you post so many pics and posts about them. If I paint my balls gold will you suck them? I know you are golden-dick hungry, sissycast slavtrash

So money's in a bit of a crunch in anonland. Should I focus on my beastmen army I always wanted but would limit me to Skirmish-only in the short term, the High Elf army I have a shitload of from the Fantasy days but that doesn't self-synergize, or the Stormcast army I have for enjoyable games but don't actually like the fluff of?

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>>55093173
>posting the literal worst empire halberdier sculpt
out

>>55093241
He makes the resident stormcast players seem downright reasonable at this point

>>55093251
Mix up Elves and Stormboys and play some skirmishes and some 1000 pts games, find out if you like non-skirmish so much that skirmish seems unbearable. Start paying later on.

>>55093275
I am actually thinking of doing something similar with some skeleton spearmen. It depends on if I can find my old state troop box to get halberd heads.

>>55093251
play stormcast.
elves are crap

>>55093251
>don't like the fluff of
They're one of the most "your dudes" accepting factions, so just change your stormhosts shit up until it suits you

>>55093366
Undead landsknechts sounds like great idea anon.

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Skave players, how do you plan on playing with the new ghb?

>>55093437
I'm gonna drop the rats for a while desu[/spoiler

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Reminder that free peoples now have overwatch.
Reminder that the rules don't specify that you have to shoot the thing that charged you. You can shoot anything.
>Mfw 10 pink horrors charge me, and 30-60 crossbow shots immediately get shot at his Lord of Change instead

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>>55093460

>>55093437
Skryre allegiance

Arch-Warlock
Warlock
2 Warpfire Throwers
3 Stormfiend units (one warpfire, one ratling, one doomflayers)
Warp Lightning Cannon
Min Jezzails
2 units of 40 clanrats allied

I'm unsure how much we can hang back anymore with how live scenarios seem to be. Last few games I saw at my LGS were won by either taking up a ton of board fast, or mulching stuff and scoring on as many objectives as possible.

>>55093437
I'm building a 1k list to use the new skryre allegiance ability - looks super fun. I'm trying to keep a full Clan Skyre battalion available for the inevitable jump to 2k, but I'm avoiding the gautfyre 'cause it won't be fun for me or my group lol - I appreciate they nerfed it, but still, not my style. Doing Achspark and Gas
Arch-Warlock
2 Warlock Engineers
1 unit of 3 Jezzails (they've served me well)
1 unit of 1 Poisoned Wind Mortar Team
2 units of 5 each Skryre Acolytes
1 unit of 10 Stormvermin (w/ shields, obv)
1 Warp Lightning Cannon

980/1000
I'm still unsure about 120 for 20 clanrats vs 140 for 10 stormvermin - I'll have to see if the small # of stormys is durable enough to survive while the artillery, etc... mows things down.

>>55093488
They already had overwatch

Now they have Tau overwatch

>>55093460
>>55093437
I just watched a battle report where a little warlock engineer did 6 wounds with lightning magic, then used the warp token to double the wounds, and did 12 wounds in the hero phase by himself.
Seem gud to me.

Any tips to make Brayherds not terrible? Idk if it's just me/my list or what, but they always seem to die in droves without ever really accomplishing anything.

>>55093511
You need clanrats or youll lose all objectives because you have no numbers. ally-in more bodies.

>>55093529
Vince's new plan is to get a herdstone, put a bray shaman behind it (you need line of sight to unbind, so you cant unbind him now) and with all the buffs to casting it gets, you can summon any chaos monsters you want. Drop jabbersythes all over the place.

Then with ambush you can take objectives away from guys due to pure numbers. You don't even need to kill them, just have more bodies.

>>55093508
what allegiance abs do you use?

>>55093511
looks interesting, but its such a low body count

>>55093232
>cuck complains about being called out
top kek

>>55093491
I started playing rats because they were cheap as fuck and easy to collect - just grab the SoD, sell the aelves and their bases so you can buy another SoD and some machines. I ended up with an army heavily based on clanrats buffed by chaos allegiance abilities and warlords so now I have to look for another battleline and I have two options - stormfiends or monks. 3 unit of stormfiends gonna cost me more than my current army and picking the monks = building a whole new pestilens army.
Yeah, if I would play objectives-based game then I would be just trying to win games by my numbers but in my LGS we are playing mainly "kill your opponent shit" games with no turns limit. I picked rats because I wanted to jump into the hobby cheaply. Now I can pick something different to try my best with other playstyles and pick up my old rats one day

>>55093612
>LGS we are playing mainly "kill your opponent shit" games with no turns limit
But those games are shit.
The objective games exist to make it so that super low model count, high power armies wont wreck everything.

Beastclaw before the nerf could basically take 4 unkillable stonehorns and do 6 mortal wounds each per shooting phase, etc bullshit.
The only way some armies could beat them is thanks to the scenario.

>>55092969
Are those Wildwood Ranger hoods?

>>55093652
Nah, we are playing for fun - noone is making such waacfag lists so I was doing pretty well with budget rats. Sure, we are also playing battleplans scenario but carnage games can be fun too. Sometimes you just want to move your models and roll 40 dice

>>55093563
That sounds incredibly lame. It's effective, but I don't want to be called a nigger.

>>55093437
Suicide

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At a 1k point game as Moonclan Grots is it wiser to take squigs as battleline or grots? I mean, squigs are damn nasty and cheaper, but have no survivability where grots can tarpit due to tremendous unit sizes and can deal some moderate damage when buffed, but 130 points for 20 doesn't feel like a wise investment.

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>>55093241
>Still doesn't address the fact that SCE armies all look the same, and from 2 feet away you cant tell what things are armed with from a glance at the table

>>55093749
How many points is that?

Thinking of starting 1k gutbusters - would this list work ok? Don't need to be ultra-competitive but would like to avoid steamrolls/be able to pull off wins sometimes.

Tyrant (160)
- General
- Command Trait : Bellowing Tyrant
- Massive Ogor Club
- Artefact : Battle Brew
Units
60 x Grots (270)
6 x Leadbelchers (280)
6 x Ogors (240)
-Ogor Clubs or Blades with Iron Fists

Total: 950

>>55093749
>posting picture for ants
>whine that he can't see shit
Did Liberator poke out your eyeballs with his massive golden dong?

>>55093437
Arch Warlock, 140
-Prolly Verminous Valour and a Warp Resonator.
Warlock Engineer, 100

Acolytes x10, 120
Acolytes x10, 120
Stormfiends x3, 300

Ratling Gun, 80
Doom Wheel, 140

Might do ratling guns on the stormfiends, or mortars. Maybe a mix, or one with shock gauntlets.

>>55093790
Are you blind?
I see
>Stormvermin with Verminlord behind to attack overhead with superior reach
>Doomflayer
>Chaos knights with a gaint behind also using reach
>2 more giants
>Gor
>Minotaurs, doom wheel, stormfeind, warp lightning cannon
>A nice chaos tactful formation

Versus
>Armor dudes with hammers
>armor dudes with crossbows
>Armor dude on a dragon
>Armor dude riding a reptile chicken

Does anyone else live in an area with a completely dead AOS community? I am sick of bringing my AOS stuff down to my local GW and only seeing 40k players for every table. It's so disheartening because I keep trying to convince my friends to give it a shot but they refuse because "shit lore" or "lol double turn" and nothing I do ever convinces them otherwise.

>>55093858
Get your girlfriend and her friends to play AoS, that will encourage those 40k-ers

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>>55093772
Verminlord Warbringer
Stormvermin x 20
Clanrats x 40 (two units of 20)
Jezzails x 5
Warp Lightning Cannon
Stormfiends x 6 (two units of 3)
Doom-Flayer
Doomwheel
Chaos Warriors x 36 (three units of 12)
Chaos Knights x 5
Gors x 40 (two units of 10, one unit of 20)
Ungors x 30 (one unit of 10, one unit of 20)
Bestigors x 10
Bullgors x 9 (three units of 3)
Cygor
Gargants x 4

Stormcast Eternals
Celestant-Prime
Lord-Celestant on Stardrake
Drakesworn Templar
Lord-Celestant on Dracoth
Knight-Vexillors x 2
Fulminators x 6 (two units of 3)
Tempestors x 6 (two units of 3)
Concussors x 6 (two units of 3)
Desolators x 6 (two units of 3)
Liberators x 20 (four units of 5)
Retributors x 15 (three units of 5)
Judicators x 10 (two units of 5)

Side note, stormcast have the worst names

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>>55093437
Probably going to start running my furnace more at 1000 points with liber bubonicus and master of toy and ruin. Now that I don't really have to worry about battalions at 1k, I'm just going to go full prayer spam with 3 units of 30 monks.

Allegiance: Chaos

Heroes
Plague Furnace (200)
- General
- Trait: Master of Rot and Ruin
- Artefact: Liber Bubonicus
Plague Priest with Warpstone-tipped Staff (80)
Plague Priest with Plague Censer (80)

Battleline
30 x Plague Monks (210)
- Foetid Blades
- Pestilens Battleline
30 x Plague Monks (210)
- Foetid Blades
- Pestilens Battleline
30 x Plague Monks (210)
- Foetid Blades
- Pestilens Battleline

Total: 990/1000
Will probably ally in epidemus for 2000 points, throw in the plaguesmog and use the basics from there.

Why does nobody like the pestes?

>>55093857
So I was right - golden cum made you blind

Wait, why would someone choose a Zombie Dragon over a Terrorgheist? Terrorgheists seem a lot stronger for the same cost?

>>55093907
Ah, about three fiddy.

>>55093437
I'm not really happy about this list - it's legal but I have to proxy the acolytes with clanrats. I hate playing with models I don't actually have desu

Allegiance: Skryre

Heroes
Warlock Engineer (100)
- General
- Trait: Overseer of Destruction
Warlock Engineer (100)
- Artefact: Brass Orb

Battleline
15 x Skryre Acolytes (180)
- Skryre Battleline
15 x Skryre Acolytes (180)
- Skryre Battleline

Units
1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (70)
1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (70)
1 x Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team (60)
1 x Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team (60)

War Machines
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)

Total: 1000/1000

>>55093858
40k and AoS at my store is almost equal, with most players doing both.

>"shit lore"
It definitely lacks depth in a lot of areas, but of course the reason is that it's a relatively brand new setting. I'm sure you've told your friends that, though, and don't see it as good enough.

You can also counter them by saying they most likely haven't read any of the novels, battletomes, or scenario books, though.

>"lol double turn"
Well, that at least can be countered hy just telling them that you can do the typical 40k turn order system. My friends and I typically ignore that rule, and GW endorses in the FAQ to modify the game rules if all players agree.

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>>55093790
>>55093929
>Still doesn't address the fact that SCE armies all look the same, and from 2 feet away you cant tell what things are armed with from a glance at the table

>>55093974
Terrorgheists also look cooler, IMO.

>>55094025
Literally got gud

>>55094025
Liberators with hammers, hammer prosecutors, retributors, bow judicators and the lord relictor. You have to be blind or be the cheetahfag to not see what units are on the table. Stop sucking metal dicks cheetahfag - just git gut at trolling or go back to licking the stardrake's asshole

Why don't people like clans pestilens for their skaven? I feel like everyone just pretends they're not skaven. Is it the lack of the cheesy MW spam? They're actually pretty good, especially now that they have some wicked abilities.

>>55093508
>>55093511
>>55093519
>>55093819
>>55093923
>>55094020
I really like the Doomwheel model, is it any good in-game? Can one build a list around a trio of them?

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>>55094096
Best fuckin skaven model imo. You can buy it and give it a try - if it ends up as a shitty unit you still have a nice piece of plastic

>>55094096
Doomwheels seem like they can be fun with one of the new command traits

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>>55094131

>>55094132
Deranged inventor+vial of the fulminator seem like a good combo for them

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>>55093519
They broke the rules then. It specifically says you can only double the damage of A WEAPON. Not a spell. Dunno if it even does anything to warp lightning cannons since they have no set amount of damage.

>>55094092
Because theyre dumb

>>55094194
>I don't like an army therefore nobody should

>>55094025
Someone needs to learn to layer/thin white paints

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I need a cheap elite army for 1k games.
I know that meta will be horde-friendly now but I'm fuckin tired with playing swarm army and all these "add 1 to wound rolls if you have 120 models in unit" abilities.
Hard mode no Beastclaw Raiders

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anybody built plastic skryre acolytes?

Also, I did some tinkering (laugh-laughs in skaven) for 2k:
Skryre:
Arch-warlock; vial of the fulminator, deranged inventor 140
Warlock Engineer 100
2x 30 Skryre Acolytes 2x320
3 Stormfiends; ratling cannons 300
warp-grinder 100
3xDoomwheel 3x130
3 warplock jezzails 140

total: 1990

>>55094488
Stormcast?
Ironjaws?

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Is pestilens worth playing? Clanrats look like a bitch to paint, but plague monks look easy enough.

>>55094488
>>55094529

warherd, gutbusters, thunderscorn

>>55094488
I dunno about cheap, but there's Arkhan the Black and some Morghast. Definitely Elite right there.

>>55094584
Clanrats are easy as fuck to paint and very forgiving but not worth the effort. If you find pestilens cool as a faction just stick with them

>>55094636
I like the plague aspect, and I'm not a fan of the blobby nurgle stuff. How do they play compared to clanrats and skryre stuff?

>>55094488
Soulblight
>vamp lord
>blood knights 2x5
>vargheists 1x3
>bat swarms 2x2

There, done

>>55094667
If you don't like the nurgle stuff, find the old Nurglitch model on eBay and proxy it as epidemus (a nurgle daemon that can buff pestilens stuff)

>>55093584
I like the Warpstone Sparks, but I'm a bit unsure, because the traits for Skryre and getting more work out of fewer wizards with sparks (also sometimes you can just nuke something with a cranked damage roll from a doomflayer). For Command Traits I've been using either Verminous Valor or Masterful Scavenger, and the Vigordust Injector for my artifact.

>>55094512
I plan to convert some blood bowl skaven. Linemen are cheap on ebay, may try to get some gas mask heads (but they're hard to find).

>>55094717
Do you get both the sparks and the bravery thing?

>>55094852
yup, skryre get strength in numbers too

I've always wanted to do a Skryre army just because all the "lol I blow myself up" rules made me kek. The only thing I hate is the majority of the models being metal or resin. Just like Eshin--I like the idea of rat ninjas but the models look like dogshit.

Plastic skaven for all clans when?

With the allegiances out, would pestilens and skryre be even in terms of efficiency at fighting non skaven meta stuff? My local shop is mostly SCE and Beastclaw, so I want to buy an army that won't get tabled. I like hoards more than just a bunch of stormfiends, but they seem to lack in the formations department

>>55094590
Gutbusters can also do horde

>>55094852
Yeah, although the Clanrats don't get Strength in Numbers, the leadership isn't too much of a burden because you will be using Inspiring Presence on one of the units each turn anyways.

>>55094970
Pestilens is horde af. Most 1k lists run 90+ monks. Skryre is more elite, powerful ranged and magic. GHB2 treated them both really well.

>>55095153
while Moulder and Scully, erm, Verminus still have to wait for their turn :(

Where's that paint app news? I can't believe I just said that.

>>55091383
It got nerfed>>55093974

>>55095153
I can attest, I run 90 at 1K with two priests and a plague furnace

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bumping

>>55093749
>SCE armies all look the same

Not even true.

>from 2 feet away you cant tell what things are armed with

Are you blind? I can pick out individual weapons from your photo easy.

Are Fiends of slaanesh worth getting now that they're only 140 points for a trio and can take nine per unit?

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Leaders:
1 Lord of Slaanesh on Mount = 140
1 Chaos Sorcerer Lord, Mark Slaanesh = 160
1 Lord of Chaos, Mark Slaanesh = 100
1 Chaos Lord on Manticore = 250

30 Warriors of Chaos, Slaanesh = 450
5 Hellstriders = 100
5 Hellstriders = 100
10 Knights, Slaanesh = 320
10 Marauders = 60
10 Marauders = 60
10 Marauders = 60
Warshrine, Slaanesh = 200

= 2000

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Bow before me, manlets.

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>>55095989
Blizzard is making minis now?

>>55091822
I played a GHB17 game with Ironjawz and I can say without a doubt we need ironfist more than ever.
Rampaging Destroyers is completely fucking useless.
The points drop, and plus one to charge, makes me want to try more Gore gruntas though

>>55095861
About as worth it as troggoths except you are choosing speed over durability. It could be worth giving them a shot

>>55096000
That's a meme for edgy characters.
Stormcast are pretty far from edgy.

>>55095861
5 chosen are also 140. what do you think is better?

Elves when

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Was it not possible before to basically have as much allies as you wanted but it just ment you no longer had allegiance abilities, as long as they were from the same grand alliance? Matched play I mean.

But now you can only get 200-400pts of allies but you get to keep allegiance abilities for your main faction?

Maybe I'm wrong, I never played before. Just I thought before you could make up a matched play army using any units in a grand alliance?

I really wish Deathrattle had more toys, or they at least didn't axe the tomb king stuff that worked with it. I love me some skeletons, but 3 units with no big hitters isn't really enough to do any army with.

Not sure what I'm going to do with the Setra and Royal Warsphinx I built now that they don't work with Deathrattle proper. Not sure how much more I want to invest into a faction that they are going to continuously rip apart until it stops existing.

>>55096026
>Swift as lightning and as utterly devastating, Neave Blacktalon is a single-minded hunter and slayer of the enemy's most powerful lords. Utilising the aetheric...
>not edgy

>>55096040
You can ally whatever you want still.
Usually the more specific allegiance abilities are better so that's why people use allies.
For example the Tzeentch GA abilities are better than the regular Chaos GA abilities

>>55096050
I don't think you understand how edgy works.

>>55096046
You have plenty of other factions to ally with, you big baby.

>>55096040
You still can afaik, you'd just get the grand alliance allegiance abilities and artifacts instead of any one smaller faction

>>55096050
>Kills bad guys who want to kill or enslave innocents, asks for no reward

That's heroic, not edgy.

>>55096046
Dear Fagget:
- Use your TK skeles as regular skeles
- Use your Tomb guard as Grave guard
- Mount Settra on the proper base and use him as Counts-as one of the Mortarches (Id say manfred or arkhan suit his powers closest), or a black coach, or whatever the fug you want

If you can't bone, you don't belong in the zone. Sell your shit on ebay so actual skelebros can get cheap dudes and go play Stormcast.

>>55096066
>>55096108

Awesome thanks guys. I just collect and paint the stuff I like the look of but a lot are from the same grand alliance. If I ever actually play I'd like to field some together.

....I'm never going to play, I'm so slow at painting and I have no friends that play war games. Still, maybe one day.

>>55095989
Dear God...
I want to see it painted

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>>55096259
Good stuff. If you do that, by the time you play you might even have a new book out by then.
Just get what you like and have fun

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>>55095989

>>55096350
I can't tell who's fighting who in this

>>55096085
Allies are just a bad solution to their faction shattering. Pure Deathrattle has so little going for it in terms of synergy there's no point in using any of it over TK now.

>>55096170
The problem is that there's no reason to run any of the deathrattle stuff anymore; it's pure TK or nothing.

>>55096465
It's pure TK or nothing if you want to use TK. Deathrattle as it is works fine. Of course it could use more models (and with Shadespire likely get those), but you're heavily exaggerating about the synergies it does have.

>>55096350
Was this a game actually being played? It looks awesome like a show piece of a battle rather than an actual game.

>>55096573
I do think, though, that the rules for TK are pretty solid. I can understand why they would axe the line (disagree, but understand), but its a shame that there's a fully playable, well designed army one can't buy models for and play. Conversions are still possible, and ebay is always an option, but it feels like a waste.

>>55096465
nigga I play warherds and get along just fine with regular crap allegiance stuff. I have no sympathy for anyone. play what you like and have fun

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>Slaves to Darkness
>5 (soon 6) Allegiance abilities to choose from, so you can change in the future depending on what is stronger.
>Tons of units already available
>Tons of allies

Are StoD the best?

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>>55089649
Tomb Kings

>>55097003
>Have to shorten it to StoD because otherwise you'd get STD

Why do people recommend WLCs when you can get 3 Poison Wind Mortars for that price?

>>55097092
range and easier to buy the model

>>55097092
WLC is going to sit in or near your deployment and just pump out mortal wounds every turn. Mortars are too inconsistent for what you get. If my weapon crews are going to be up closer to the front, I want ratlings or warpfires.

Where do I find the Skryre battalion warscroll?

>>55097373
Chaos battletome or $2.00 on the AoS app.

>>55097034
Slaves2D

So im no longer allowed to use the warscrolls for Karl Franz/ Gelt etc?

>>55097614
No you can't, you WAAC piece of shit.

>>55097623
wat

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>All my engineer/artillery synergy was removed

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Also they removed the free people keyword from all the compendium units

thanks gw

Fuck you im still using the old empire pdf. Youve basically gutted my army

>>55097431
Does anyone have a .pdf?

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>>55097744
>>55097715
>>55097614
Day late and a dollar short, samefag.

>>55091981
I've thought about it. But they feel more like an anvil unit than a killy unit. But I don't know, I suppose i'll keep filing away at the idea.

>>55097744
Just go play 9th Age.

Why the fuck to battalions cost so much now

Id rather just take 2-3 extra units for the cost of some of these fucks

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Lol fuk u if you arent a Battletome army

>>55097977
>want to play a non-battletome army
>don't want to not be supported
it's not a good feel

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>>55097951
In the last Warhammer Live, they talked about the battalion costs. GW thought that they were too cheap for being a single drop during deployment and granting an extra artefact.

So, on the army builder, I'm trying to go for a 1000 point Sylvaneth army. When inputting dryads, I see that it says there's 10 per unit. So, with the start collecting box of Sylvaneth I bought, I have 1.8 units or dryads? Not sure I understand completely how big a unit is/should be.

What's a battle line, while we're at it?

>>55098098
Battleline: Unit type required for a legal army. Number of battleline units required is based on point value of the game

As for the dryads, the min required models to make up a unit of dryads is 10 models, and increases by that increment per point value until you hit the max threshold for a unit.

>>55098234
I'm confused then, so the warscroll says it's 5 to a unit, but the army builder says 10?

How many models am I typically looking at for a 1000 point army?

>>55098246
They require a min of 10 in Matched Play, check the GHB.

>>55098246
At least three

>>55098246
values change over time. For instance, between the first ghb and ghb2, clanrats moved from 10 increment to 20 increment

>>55098312
Wait really? My very first game was against a 4 model beastclaw rape train

>>55098383
He was referring to the dryads

>>55098070
Honestly they should remove the additional artifact from the battalions, and perhaps make them cost points or something. I think that'd let armies without extra battalions try out their magic items as well.

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Anons I'm confused as to how adding models to a unit of Ghould works

Like the Muster King's Chosen ability, it says that you can add a model for every 5+ rolled, so can this take a unit above its original strength? And does it cost points or anything? But abilities like that King's one that lets him set up a new unit does cost points, right?

And why do Terrorgheists seem a lot better than Zombie Dragons, but Kings riding Terrorgheists are cheaper than Kings riding Zombie Dragons?

Also is the Start Collecting box good or no? And do all the Start Collecting boxes add up to similar point costs? I'm thinking of buying the Flesh Eater Court one and another to play against it.

I'm new, sorry.

>>55098640
Generally if it says to "Add to an exiting unit" or something like that, it's you re adding slain models to the unit at no cost

>>55094488
Take an entire army of demigryph knights and a general on griffon. They're battleline now.

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>>55097715
>>55097789

Out of curiosity, can you even still use these units(And for that matter things like the brets and tomb kings.) in pitched battles anymore after the latest handbook? Where would you find the points values for them? I can't find them anywhere in the new general's handbook pdf.

>>55094488
Clan Moulder Skaven
The Rat Ogre box comes with 3 heroes and 2 battleline units. Also Hellpit

>>55098815
They're in the compendium and they have no real allegiance keywords to work with. Proxy your models as something else.

>>55098815
Theres no point. Theyve removed all unit/faction synergy, the units are basically dead

I told everyone they would do this. Ive been saying it since day 1.

Theyre killing off all legacy models. Soon these compendiums wont even exist anymore

How cringy is the average AoS player? Want to get into the game, coming from Warhammer: Total war, but hesitant due to potential autism

>>55098974
sounds like youre the one with the autism buckaroo

>>55098815
You can use it like allies in pitched battles. And its points are in the empire compendium at the end.

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>>55098962
Your insight is welcome, Brother Captain Obvious of the Third Company.

>>55098991
Oh! Did'nt see that before, thanks. ^^

>>55097744
Dude stop being cheap and buy the Grand Alliance order book. We already know you're not supporting GW in terms of models, at least buy the books.

Does anyone know if there's a new warscroll/battalion for the Tormented Spirits box?

>>55092969
Love 'em Anon, what models are these?

Newbie here. What's a good way of base painting a model thats arms block its midsection/body?

epub link not working? anyone know where i can find it?

Nagash still seams overpriced. Wtf?

>>55095989
I... I don't hate this. Why am I not hating this?

>>55096026
No, its for Mary Sue characters, and Stormcast fit the bill exactly

>>55099637
>undead skeleton man
>not costing an arm and a leg

>>55099471
paint the body first, you can be messy here and it doesn't matter, then paint the arms carefully which covers up any mess you made painting the body.

How long does it take you to paint 18 models?

Just starting out, trying to get an idea of the time I'm looking at just to get this starter package finished.

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>>55099916
Anywhere between 1-100 hours

Ive painted 100 models in 8 hours and 1 model in 100 hours

>>55099916
2 days.

>>55099471
If possible, paint them separately.

>>55092969
Nice sisters of silence you've got there. Stop pretending they're greatswords though.

how do you beat Tzeentch Changehost plus skyfires and shaman?
3 drop army
mortal wound spam from t1 that you can't hide from
Destiny dice to guarantee that literally everything that needs to go right for them does go right.

What do?

Played first game of "proper" AoS (not skirmish), 650 pts of SCE vs KO. I must say, I've had a blast. The hero died surprisingly fast, but then again, he was being shot at by a frigate cannon. Rifle-armed thunderers just chewed through my retributors, but when they did catch the frigate, it was chopped to pieces in 2 turns. Overall it was real fun, if different to previous editions. I didn't even mind lack of movement trays.

>>55095989
>new-kingdom-death-mini.jpg

>>55100322
>650 point game
Tiny little game. Glad you had fun dude. Hopefully you'll be able to get into larger games and still enjoy it. As for lack of movement trays, I only mind it when it comes to moving my goblins as I usually bring lots of the little fucks. Adds a solid five-fifteen minutes when you have 40+ of the little fucks every game that you're moving about two at a time.

>want to start up AoS
>Dark Elves were always cool
>They get some cool stuff in the new handbook
>they have no starter box
>only a smattering of $50 kits
Oh. I guess I don't actually want to play.

>>55100476
Are you sure you wouldn't rather play as the glorious Stormcast Eternals© and defend Azyrheim© from the destructive onslaught of the Khorne Bloodbound© or the forces of the Everchosen©.

Who even wants to play as Aelfs© anyways? We have two brand new flavors of Duardin© to play as: Fyreslayers© and Kharadron Overlords©! Or even the mighty Sylvaneth© of the realm of Ghyran©!

>>55100464
I know it's tiny, but we've played what we had, after warming up with Skirmish to get to know the rules.

Does anyone have the profiles from the spire of dawn set? I bought it when it was island of blood and the rules are not on the GW website.

>>55100555
Ah, new collections that are still growing. Well at least you are getting games and such in. Keep it going my guy! Soon you'll have enough for 1000 point games. Then 1500. And then you can play with the big boys at 2000.

Think you got the hang of it based off of the games you played?

>>55100525

I-is this supposed to help?

>>55089889
bump

>>55100636
It's a false flagging shitposter. If you see any stormkikes etc then just report such posts and ignore

>>55100476
Dude Scourge privateers literally already had a new box announced . . . calm your aelven tits.

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>Be away for a while
>Stormraped slavcuck flooded the thread again
>People still replying to his posts
Jesus Christ MODS - I can't believe I'm the only one reporting him. You gave him a ban on /40kg/ few times - why can't you do this again?

>>55100586
It's not my first wargame, it's way easier than say, Malifaux or Blitzkrieg commander, so no problems there. I was concerned it'd be too simple, but I did have a blast with it, and so did the other player. Can't wait to have enough models to play normal battleplans, and not just line-up and shoot.

>>55100662
That's funny, I didn't realize they were Darkling Covens who could use Darkling Covens traits.

>>55100676
>people who don't agree with me need to be banned!

Shouldn't you be on one of the reddit circlejerk boards or something?

>>55100699
>spam
>flood
>avatarfagging
Don't worry cheetahfag, your time is coming

>>55100476
Daughters of Khaine just got a box and Scourge Privateers will be getting a split box with stormcast.

>>55100725
I would actually love to do a DoK army, but they seem obnoxiously expensive, even with their box set. $100 for that? Really? Anyway, neither DoK or Scourges can be used with the new Darkling rules, which is odd to me. Why make faction rules and then not support them?

>>55100867
>$100 for that?
People are still buying their WH stuff on GW online store? Is this some kind of joke or bait?

>>55100895
When you buy it elsewhere, the elsewhere price is still based on the MSRP, which in this case is $100. A SC! Box is $85 MSRP, but at 15% off its like $72 and comes with a bunch of shit, often a big thing such Malignants. The DoK box is $85 AFTER the discount and comes with fewer things.

>>55100975
I wouldn't say it comes with fewer things. You have a battleline unit, a hero, a big shit and a medusae or whatever it is called. I'm not saying that 100$ is a good price - it should be priced same as start collecting boxes. I'm just suprised that there are people on this board that buy GW boxes on GW store instead of LGS/online stores with 20% discount

>>55100693
>Dark Elves
You said dark elves, not covens, so don't be a snide bitch when your snowflake subfaction doesn't get shit.

>>55095989
Bayonetta enemy/10

>>55095989
It looks like a transformer
Somehow

>>55095989
>Sterncrust

So I'm relatively new to Age of Sigmar (old Fantasy player that just hasn't had much chance to play), and have some Slaves to Darkness, and I'm wondering if Battleshock makes enough impact in AoS to justify trying out the Lord of Terror Command Trait + The Helm of the Oppressor on a Slaanesh Lord on Manticore?

Gives a total of -4 Bravery to all enemies within 6", and a further -1 when paired with Chaos Knights, which means unless the enemy uses something that provides bonus Bravery, or something like Inspiring Presence, a roll of a 1 on the Battleshock test will still cause Stormcast units to lose an extra model from just 1 casualty, let alone armies with lower Bravery.

Unless they're Dispossessed of course, in which case I wouldn't use either the Trait or Helm.

Are there any good allies to take for, like, Sylvanath from Wanderers?

>>55101380
While alot of Armies have ways to mitigate Battleshock, it can be a huge gamechanger if you have one round of bad Battleshock tests.

So i have a large force of Dispossessed And want to collect some Fyrelslayers too.

So just a Question; What units would make good Allies for a Fyreslayer army from the Dispossessed? a unit of Quarrelers and a Rune Priest? Ironbreakers?

When do you guys think we will see a new major release? Like a new faction or anything like that?

>>55101440
Death or Aelves. Nurgle will get a plastic beast kit and maybe one or two new platic daemons kits but main nurgle release will be 40k exclusive

>>55101440
2018

And it's better fucking be like KO, not half ass release like Sylvaneth.

>>55101423
Probably something ranged. Maybe irondrakes?

>>55101440
Aelf/Slaanesh plotline.

We've had Khorne
We've had Tzneetch
We're getting nurgle now
Slaanesh and Aelves after