/wfg/ Warhammer Fantasy General

Hey, you didn't fuck up the subject this time. But I saw it. I know your sin.

>>55040077
You'll never find out who I am though.

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>>55040118

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So how does Skaven society function? I get that there are a lot of slaves doing basic labor, but where do they get their food if they're all living underground? Who does the crafting of normal weapons and armor - i.e., things that aren't super science death weapons that Clan Skyre would probably deal with?

>>55040197
>but where do they get their food if they're all living underground?
Eat rats, slaves, corpses and garbage.

>Who does the crafting of normal weapons and armor
Slaves, same as greenskins.

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Reposting from the previous thread.

I want to do a Mafia-themed Ogre army, ala The Gutfather. Tommygun Leadbelchers, Gasoline&Lighter Firebellies, Butchers that grind their opponents into spaghetti, etc.

What other sort of conversions/things should be in such a build?

>>55040197
>So how does Skaven society function?
Barely.

>>55040233
Looted black steamtank.

>>55040197
Skavenblight is surrounded by marshlands which have assorted crops, black corn, and other rotted foodstuffs. The slaves are in barges where they have to gather such crops. Since the marshes are poisonous, ironically the worst fate a slave can suffer is to be stranded there. There are similar farming labor-camps above ground for assorted Skaven lairs including Karak Eight-Peaks, and Hell Pit.

The Skaven have industrial mills, conveyor belts, and assembly-lines where slaves work to separate wheat from chaff, and should slaves expire under the lash, they're thrown into the mix. Soylent grain, with a dash of greenskin.

Although Skyre has set up a rail system for connecting the various strongholds of the Under-Empire, it has the normal reliability issues associated with Skaven devices. Other Skaven clans also use assorted forms of transport, be it naval (Clan Skurvy currently has the best navy), or beasts of labor.

Skaven society is not stable. Think of rabbits or deer placed on an island with no predators. They explosively multiply, or experience rapid die-off, without real population stabilization. Although the Skaven are cannibals among their own kind, they also have insane post-battle metabolisms via the Black Hunger, so it's a wash either way.

The main thing keeping the Skaven killing themselves off is when they focus on the other races, and they do not handle failure well. Ironically, this may be their best advantage, as after Mandred Skavenslayer murderized them, many thought the Skaven extinct or just a myth.

>>55040197
I imagine the life of a skaven goes along the lines of you're born, 50/50 chance you make it to childhood without being eaten by your mother/siblings, you get taken away by your clan to get your basic education, which at first involves basic socializing and teaching about the horned rat. If you demonstrate enough ability, you may be selected by the specialists for more education to be an engineer or gutter runner or whatever, else you end up either joining the ranks of the clan rats or the slaves.

As far as food, they probably get most of it through scavenging, stealing, or raiding. I imagine most of the manufacturing falls to the slave class, who are mostly competent because that's how you stay alive and not end up in a slave block on a battlefield somewhere.

>>55040197
You can check the Children of the Horned Rat supplement for a description of a typical skaven city. They scavenge for food in human settlements, trade among themselves and there are some mentions of agriculture around Skavenblight. But the logistics in Warhammer do not always make sense. The skaven burrows are supposed to be at least twice or triple the size of the cities above them and on top of that the skaven are so voracious that they need to eat their own weight in food every day, preferably in meat. Even with cannibalism there's no way they could realistically feed themselves.

Of course at a higher level you could also say that the idea of a entire race of chaotic sociopaths building a sprawling and complex hidden empire is a bit contradictory in the first place.

Come to think of it, I imagine the skaven are a lot like the Chinese: cheap, theiving, and untrustworthy with a shit ton of them. Their society functions, but the value placed on life is relatively small, although still there if you piss off the wrong people with bad milk powder or something. They will fuck anyone over, but they manage to keep it to a minimum amongst themselves because they know they will fuck each other over, so there is an honor on god skaven thing going on.

It would also make sense for them to trade via slaves or with particularly greedy merchants, the type of shit like how cartoons are made in North Korea but no one ever talks about it. They keep a low enough profile it takes a dedicated witch hunter to figure out someone's trading with skaven, but the rest of the time it's some sleezeball trading cloth for wheat and not worrying too much about the other guy being a cloaked figure with a speech impediment.

>>55040747
>honor among skaven

Fuck

>>55040747
My understanding is that there is zero honor. If they killed a lot of skaven with bad milk powder you get murdered because those were foot soldiers the leader could use, not because he cared about their lives.

Is this a right or wrong assessment?

>>55040747
>Come to think of it, I imagine the skaven are a lot like the Chinese: cheap, theiving, and untrustworthy with a shit ton of them.

That's seriously fucking insulting man, what's wrong with you? I know this is 4chan, but come on man, you were raised better.

Seriously, comparing the Chinese to Skaven? The Skaven are brilliant innovators and inventors! How could you be so callous?

>>55040916
That's correct, it's actually very similar to China in that regard.

>>55040222
Greenskins make their own weapons, they were taught by Chaos Dwarfs.

>>55040916
If I remember correctly, Skavenslayer has one example of a skaven wanting to avenge his dead associate and the fluff around the stormvermin mentions that they have some esprit de corps compared to common skaven. But even those feelings are easily overriden by self-interest and preservation.

>>55041258
That particular Skaven was more angry that his plans were set back with the death of his littermate, not because he had any personal attachment.

>>55041335
You're probably right. My memory is a bit hazy but I remember reading something about him being sufficiently close to the other skaven that he could almost trust him. Of course as you said the main cause of his anger would be the fact that he had lost a valuable asset.

Didn't the Queek novels also depict his bodyguard as being particularly loyal to him?

>>55040747
The problem with your example, racism aside, is that China was in a very fertile region of the world. It could support a large population. And China also for most of its history had a centralized, somewhat meritocratic government, not the backstabbing half-confederacy only barely kept in line by the Council of Thirteen, who are all trying to one-up each other anyway.

>>55041632
Meritocracy is very much a backstabbing form of advancement. The thing with Skaven is that the fluff writers are so obsessed with writing them as traitorous backstabbers they miss the point that loyalty can have its own rewards, through either fear of your master finding out you fucked him or your master actually treating his underlings well because you want to actually buy their loyalty versus hoping you bullied them well enough not to fuck you over.

I'd say the big thing with skaven society is that there probably isn't a slave morality like we have in the west, which is to say where we tend to revile the rich as undeserving of their wealth and acting like there is nobility in poverty, and that a man's word is more important than his own wellbeing, skaven are constantly trying to claw their way up and and treat honesty as something that's useful until it's not. I would imagine the upper echelons of skaven society should function quite well for an individual until they fuck up and meet a grisly end through accident or plot. Sure the clans fight amongst themselves over politics, but it's not really that different than anyone else.

>>55041822
>The thing with Skaven is that the fluff writers are so obsessed with writing them as traitorous backstabbers they miss the point that loyalty can have its own rewards, through either fear of your master finding out you fucked him or your master actually treating his underlings well because you want to actually buy their loyalty versus hoping you bullied them well enough not to fuck you over.

The CotHR supplement had some interesting bits about skaven leadership. Basically it's about being sufficiently harsh to deter would-be plotters without making the lives of your underlings such a living hell that they will try anything to get rid of their tormentor.

>Speaking of underlings, it is a Skaven’s duty to treat lower Ratmen as harshly as possible. They would do nothing less if they were in your position, and there is nothing to be gained by being kind. A Skaven’s troops should live in fear of their master’s smell, and with the constant knowledge he is above them in all ways. What is more, should they ever even consider thinking otherwise, or failing to follow orders, they must know your vengeance will be swift, brutal, absolute and terrifying. Of course, truly excessive cruelty can also provide too much motivation for rebellion. The desired balance is to ensure that underlings fear terrible retribution if they cross you, yet also believe they are better off with you than anyone else. This makes them afraid to consider assassination, and even those who consider it are more likely to squabble over who will lead afterwards than to actually carry out their plans.

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>>55041822
I'm not trying to deny that China had any corruption or anything, but their exam system allowed people of any background, with the right education, to reach a high place in their society. If there was a lot of backstabbing involved before the corruption at the top, I'm not really aware of it, beyond the difficulty in the poor getting tutors.

Quite frankly, I'm annoyed at both Skaven and the Dark Elves for having such a focus on backstabbing, to the point that you have to bend over backwards to explain how their seemingly anarchic system manages anything. It's like a parody that you aren't supposed to think too hard about or it'll collapse, and you have to include your own ideas and interpretations if you want to keep it together - or, GW are secretly geniuses who managed to make societies that are completely alien to our own, both on the individual and group level.

So how's this Man'o'War game? I'm thinking about buying it but I'm not really sure

>>55044028
Like a poor man's M&B/Pirates

>>55042140
Machiavelli emphasized something similar. Fear is superior to love, as love is fickle and reliant on selflessness. But the one thing you always must avoid is hatred; when someone hates you enough, fear is no longer a deterrent.

On a similar note, leaders often took in foreigners to serve as their bodyguard, since if the leader died, the bodyguards would almost certainly be killed as well, thus undermining any an all incentive for betrayal.

I believe skaven society should be emphasized as the "bad" end state of this game: http://ncase.me/trust/ , where everyone in society is treacherous, meaning any true cooperation is self-destructive due to the complete lack of trust or expectation of trust. There's no way for an individual skaven to change this system, even if they recognized that cooperation would be in each other their individual best interests. While other societies might abide more by a Might Makes Right ethos (greenskins, ogres) or darwinian "cull the weak" mindsets (dark elves, chaos), skaven would be perpetually stuck in a massive tragedy of the commons due to their short sightedness. Which makes them better overall as a parody of modern human society.

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>>55044493

Truly, the only correct answer is mindless obedience from undead servants.

How does Dhar differ from Chaos magic?

>>55045645
It doesn't.

>>55045645

Dhar is taking the winds of magic smashing them all together in a lazy way of doing high magic.

Chaos magic is just taking the raw stuff and use it, not bothering to wait until it starts "making sense" and separates into winds, like a pussy.

>>55045645
Technically, all magic is Chaos. Dhar is the raw mix of the winds of magic, occasionally 'trapped' and congealed in some area with a lot of death and suffering or something like that. Dark Elf Sorceresses use it, and Necromancers and Vampires use a refined form of Dhar based off of that (because that's what Nagash learned, mixing Dhar and Nehekharan practices together.)

Technically all the magic of a Chaos Sorcerer is Dhar, just occasionally shaped to the whims of a patron deity like Slaanesh or Tzeentch, or perhaps focused by earlier study if they're a fallen Magister or something.

>>55045645
Dhar = drawing from the unfiltered Wind of Magic without separating it into manageable chunks, and without imposing the rigorous forms and balances of Saphery. Destructive, dangerous, and wild. Usually invokes otherworldly creatures but not the Chaos Gods.

Chaos Magic = Dhar drawn straight from one of the four Ruinous Powers.

>>55045645
Dhar is "dark magic," and there are two types. Common dhar, usually just called 'dhar' is created by a caster when they 'grab' any and all magic energy at hand and violently force it together. This invariably involves multiple winds and you get black magic as a result.

'True dhar' is naturally occurring dhar. When magic doesn't flow, it tends to stagnate and coalesce into natural dark magic. This is incredibly powerful stuff, but very dangerous and destructive, and tends to corrupt mind and body.

'Chaos magic' is a really broad thing. All magic is ultimately Chaos, but when people say 'Chaos magic' specifically, they usually mean magic granted by a Chaos god. In this way, it's very similar to the so-called miracles of the accepted gods, a boon granted rather than a prize wrested by willpower, though with Chaos worshipers it's sometimes hard to say where prayer ends and willpower begins. This magic is almost always dhar-fueled, but it doesn't have to be. Tzeentch is the master of ALL magic.

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>>55045736

>Necromancers and Vampires use a refined form of Dhar based off of that (because that's what Nagash learned, mixing Dhar and Nehekharan practices together.)

It just occurred to me, and stop me if I'm speaking nonsense, but suddenly it clicked in my head that that using Dhar and mixing it with Nehekaran theology is in essence manufacturing "artifical winds of magic" based on the aspects of the soul, to make the use of Dhar more... digestible for human brains to manipulate, in much the same way Teclis divided High Magic into the eight winds.

The brilliancy of Nagash's system is that he crafted it so a necromancer could use all of his aspects at a time instead of being forced into s ingle path like the magic colleges, most likely by making the whole art dedicated to a specific subject.

>>55045970
Nagash is without a doubt the most brilliant wizard that ever was, and if he weren't such a cunt he might have stood a fair chance of beating Chaos.

As it was he was the only enemy the Four took very seriously since the War of Vengeance.

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>>55045970

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7e3jCd62C0
>High Elf slave for his personal use
What did he mean by this?

>>55046903
Honestly, probably torture.

>>55045970
This sort of tracks with the old school elementalism, battle magic, illusionists and demonologists of 1ed. Although certain winds lended themselves more fully to a particular brand of magic, there were occasions where a wizard would clearly have been calling on multiple winds to achieve his goal.

The notion that by specialising into a particular focussing branch of magic they could extend their ability to use multiple winds makes a sort of sense.

>>55045970
What is Nehekharan theology, anyway? I thought their magic was mostly divine-based.

Is sylvania *lost* or could the empire reconguer it?

>>55047371
Sylvania could be reconquered, but vampires have a bad habit of not staying permanently dead, and Sylvania's thin soil, warpstone taint, and hostile population mean it'd be difficult to hold and not lucrative for most landholders. Your peasants are likely to actively work to restore the Vampire Counts, who are no more brutal but tax far less. If they're REALLY lucky, they get someone like Countess Gabriella, who is a velvet glove ruler.

>>55047371
It was technically reconquered at one point, it was just settled by unhappy Stirland nobles who didn't like what was essentially an exile to Schiessestadt. Whether it could have really been held for long by a more dedicated group of rulers is the real question, but I imagine it'd be like Mousilion - no matter what you do, it'll keep being a little fucked up.

>>55047371
Parts of it have been retaken occasionally. The problem is that the land itself is twisted by Necromancy and the undead's presence. Also
>>55047415

You could absolutely retake it, but you'd need a full blown religiously motivated fire-and-sword crusade with gratuitous grinding castles and tombs to dust, overturning graves and mounds and burning woods down and replanting them. And the Empire is too preoccupied with squabbling to even cut down forests to deal with Beastmen, let alone organize an effort to clean up Sylvania, which would probably only really benifit Stirland and Ostermark anyway.

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>>55047281

Well you know they were massive death fetishists, so the mortuary cult spent an autistic amount of time coming out with a complex theory about everything involving death.

Nagash developed necromancy based on the concept of the soul according to the Nehekarans. Here, that nerd Mannlet went and described it in short.

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>>55047517

Now, this might be just flavor text, but then it is explained that every type of undead creature is the result of combining different aspects of the Nehekaran soul with necromancy.

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>>55047558

And here's the practical application.

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>>55047646

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>>55047676

Fin~

>>55040197
Skaven society is at default determined by skin color. White fur = albino guard, grey fur = grey seer, black fur = stormvermin, brown fur = commoner. You can go up or down depending on your success though.

Food is grown in and around their lairs. The skaven have simple agriculture and eat a lot of shit like rats and slaves. Most skaven are malnourished though, food is hard to come by.

Armorers exist for each clan.

>>55045970
Technically Nagash-style Necromancy does not make Dhar more "digestible."
Rather, what it does it makes your "stomach" able to handle Dhar.

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>>55047646
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>>55047695
I like how it uses bits of spirit terminology to define the different kinds of undead, that kind of stuff gets me excited.

I imagine this would be useful to steal for other settings to help create a Necromancy that's not necessarily evil, or to allow Necromancy alongside the usual afterlife or perhaps reincarnation, depending on what parts of the soul are used or necessary for the living and undead.

>>55047929

In the few seconds before I remembered Skaven farm owners would just use slaves for the grunt work, I pictured the life of an honest hard working Skaven farmer.

>Swipe away the sweat on your brow after plowing the field for the next harvest, a satisfied smile on your face
>Instinctively check your back for assassins
>Proceed to help Lassie gie birth
>Later on sneak around and poison your neighbor's well.

>>55048185
I always laugh when I read "black corn." Even skaven CORN is evil.

>>55048353
are there cases of agriculture outside the Blighted Marshes? Are are they just stealing together what they can find?

>>55048423
We know they cultivate mold, since they brew using it and presumably feed their subterranean livestock with it.

So with magic n shit, are high & dark magic meant to be way stronger than any of the 8 base lores?

Are they stronger than any of the 8 base lores in tabletop?

>>55048423
Fish. Cave monsters.

Hell, press a mushroom to a rocky cave floor and there's even odds it'll explode, turn into a horrible monster or gnaw at the slate floor as it grows unnaturally if you apply warpstone.

Warpstone mutates, Skaven are crazy enough to develop a career based on directing these mutations towards a desired end result more efficiently.

>>55048623
>So with magic n shit, are high & dark magic meant to be way stronger than any of the 8 base lores?

Yes.

High Magic is ALL THE LORES used in perfect symphony, to the point where they appear to be one all-encompassing wind of magic. It can do essentially anything at much higher output that any of the collegiate lores can achieve. Dark Magic is, again, ALL THE LORES, working in disharmony. It's the most powerful, which is specifically what draws peeps like druchii to it, but it's also far more unstable.

>Are they stronger than any of the 8 base lores in tabletop?

In every edition but 8th, High Magic and Dark Magic were unquesionably far better than any of the collegiate lores. Even in 8th they're up there with the best, only Shadow and Death really contending with them.

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>>55040039
Ind soon

>>55040932
so are the chinese.
Turns out, innovation is directly proportional to the amount of shekelss and academic freedom you can thow at a target.

>>55049538
What about Lizardmen magic? Wouldn't the Slaan have the most powerful magic?

>>55050203
You mean High Magic?

Slann use High Magic, same as the elves.

>>55050292
Not quite the same in 8th ed where they have a different Lore Attribute. Shield of Saphery vs Contemplations.

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Warhammer has a great, slightly over the top aesthetic that nothing else quite captures.

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>>55051995
To add on to that, I feel like the reason the over-the-top aesthetic works is because the setting does a good job of making it feel right or even necessary. There's a lot of superstition and such that creates an in-universe need for a bunch of bangles and other bits, and usually none of it is so grossly unfitting that it feels like it tries too hard.

Rolled 3, 4 + 2 = 9 (2d10 + 2)

Let me check something real quick.

>>55046903
Exactly what you think he meant.

Real quick, what's the closest you could come to a mech in this setting?

I'm thinking Wizard of the Lore of Metal with a fascination with Dwarvish mechanics and a pet project consisting of a suit of armor larger than himself that he "pilots"

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>>55054073
Dwarfs have colossi which are rather runic magic powered.

>>55050184
They are not exactly known for innovation, more for siphoning tech and knowledge from western companies that have to partner up with a chinese company to operate in China. Former expat here. Spent 6 years in Shanghai and 2 in Beijing. When I started out, I thought it was all racism and bigotry towards the Chinese. Turns out there's a lot of truth to it. Not saying nothing good or new never comes from China, just that their reputation for thievery/corporate espionage is well-earned.

Did GW ever give an explanation for why they never brought in anything from Cathay, Nippon, or the Kingdoms of Ind?

>>55054093
Do they actually pilot the things, or do they just slap on the rune for "KILL" and let the things loose?

>>55047517
>>55047558
>>55047646
>>55047676
>>55047695

>meanwhile in total war warhammer Mannfred goes around screaming how Nagash was weak

They really did no background check on his personality for the game did they?

>>55054207
More likely automated.

>>55054207

They probably install a grudge scanner in them.

>>55054215
Its 8e bald nihilistic Mannfred, in Liber Necris he had hair and beard.

>>55054152
At least the skaven stay out of sight.

>>55054215
Characterization marches on. 8e Mannlet was a screaming manchild, but back in the day he was supposed to be a brilliant scholar and statesman, like his father-in-darkness.

>>55054160
Probably because they didn't feel the need for it.
As for anything official. I've no idea.

>>55054073
My bet is something Chaos Dwarfy.

>>55054775

Did they not think the introduction of new armies wouldn't give them the profit increase they were looking for with Endtimes and AoS?

>>55054820
You're supposing that people would actually buy such armies which I'm personally rather sceptic about, beyond the odd mini. They would ideally also have to flesh out their setting quite a bit to make that happen.
All in all, if they thought that was a viable strategy they would probably have tried it.

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My players want to play an evil campaign in WFRP. What adventures are there to be had besides "lol let's go kill the emperor praise chayozz"?

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>>55055782
Absurd Saga-style manliness quests that all the Frejyas will frig themselves to in Norsca.

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Could he beat Archaon?

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>>55049649
Yes

>>55055782
Skaven assassin teams sent out to take out various targets/warmachines

Norscan raider group tries to plunder settra again on rumors of endless gold.

Chaos group of cultist need to replace some sigmarites belonging with a cursed one to influence him. Group then has to play to his vices and establish a foothold.

Vampire lacky's/necromancer in training wants to go to cairnstones in welf woods.

Beastmen are tough to do anythong other then rip and tear game.

Same with O&G.

Are tomb kangz considered evil really?

The rest really is just copy paste shit. It all depends what your doing and willing to flesh out.

>>55055999
Well yeah anon, he's the best.

>>55056318
But will Archaon see his ball sack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phpMYkFodkE
Even elven statues are lewd.

>>55047929

Grey seer are any shade of white, including grey.

albino guards are not white, they're literally albinos, and may or may not be manifactured

>>55049538

Don't forget Life.

>>55050203
The flavors of high magic are:

Slann: more versatile
HE: short term defensive
WE: long term defensive

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>>55056457
That's Lileath for you.

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>>55054093

>>55056520
I thought Lileath barely did anything with the High Elves.

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What was his end goal?

>>55056637
Exactly how it sounds. He wanted to rule Nehekhara, usher in a new age of conquest once his affairs were in order, and hopefully obtain that golden body that he was promised.

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Can anyone figure this out?
All pieces move in typical chess fashion and you have to eliminate a piece with every move you make and be left with one piece
The pawns move upward (ignore the arrow)

>>55056539
She is patron of mages along with Hoeth.

>>55057026
Why didn't Settra encase himself in gold or get a golden suit? I mean he's a skeleton

>>55056063
Don't forget the Special Characters that are clear pastiches of Karna and Arjuna.

>>55057349

He wanted his bodily functions preserved as a living immortal man. Basically the Abhorash end state but without the faggot mark of drinking Nagash's juice.

>>55056529
>Azram
>Caraz
>Carak

How old is this.

>>55057673
Looks like second edition to me.

>>55048623
Well, on the tabletop, Dark Magic is expensive to cast but versatile and generally does a little bit of what every other lore can do - but stronker.

So for example, the Lore of Fire is the designated magic missile Lore. It has Fireball, a devastating magic missile, which can inflict up to 3D6 S4 hits on a target. That's pretty nasty. But then Dark Magic has the more expensive Doombolt, which can inflict up to 4D6 S5 hits (note: S5 is a big deal in WHFB due to armour save modifiers - most models will get no save at all against this spell).

This really demonstrates quite well, imo, how Dark Magic works in the fluff. It can do perverse, extraordinarily powerful versions of what every other Lore can do, because it IS every other Lore. But on the flipside, it's much more dangerous, and requires greater concentration and a will of iron to perform successfully.

>>55047415
How do you permanently kill a warhammer vampire?

So, I was kinda bored and thought of something...
What if every warhammer faction leader(Karl, Grimgor, Settra, Finubar.etc.etc) ran for president in, let's say U.S. How would his campaign be? Who would you vote for?

>>55057819
Depends on the vampire, but the surest method would be to kill them, immolation them, separate the ash, then cast the ash into the ocean, space, or the aethyr. After that, kill yourself and anyone who knows where any of the ashes are or where the vampire was slain.

>>55057937
Malekith would run the most brutally efficient and rousing neo-conservative campaign ever. Freedom, independence, every man for himself!

What wins him the election, though, will be the promise to implement sacred prostitution by Witch Elves. Also his mom will suck every dick in government to get him in.

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>>55057041

>>55057041
Move the pawn to capture the knight, and promote it to a queen. Bishop, bishop, knight, pawn, rook, rook.

>>55057937
The problem is that the US has two parties, so eventually only two candidates would really get a chance for the presidency.

Though I would pay good money to see Archaon and Valten fight each other in a debate fashion rather than swinging hammers, just to see Archaon blunder.

>>55058800
Let's say it was a counry with multi-party system, who would you vote for?

>>55059054
Settra. Dictator as fuck, but I know he'd do a good job and wouldn't be an idiot about it like Greasus Goldtooth would probably be.

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>>55057937
There's a 40k version of this at least

>>55059272
Why Reagan returns?

>>55059054
Louen.

Time for Chivalry.

>>55058351
>underestimating Karl Franz and his revolutionary new "don't be a total crooked dickhead" platform.

>>55059337
>Not taking Grimgor's truly revolutionary "WAAAAGH!!!" platform

>>55059359
Oh come on, "murder all the other candidates and their supporters" has been a strategy since Roman times.

>>55059331
>I'm going to get rid of all the nukes and drones. Not chivalrous enough.
>What do you mean knights don't have a place in modern warfare?
>What's with all these state secrets? Keeping secrets is wicked unchivalrous.

>>55057041

It's impossible.

>>55059359
What about Thanquol's "I'm going to murder everyone who disagrees with me and I'll happily send as many of my underlings to their deaths as needed to ensure my own personal success and happiness" stance?
That kind of blunt honesty is what we need these days!

>>55059440
>Implying WAAAGH!!! stance isn't the most brutaly honest stance possible

>>55059469
I dunno, he hasn't clarified if Gork or Mork is the best.

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SO I'm working on an empire army, and im in the fairly early stages of it. Im thinking of going for a multi-province army, with each regiment bearing different color schemes from around the empire representing their homeland. Im fairly confident in my painting skills so it wont look like vomit, and my goal is to make a very colorful and outstanding tidal wave of landschneckt. Do you fellas think this would be lore appropriate, or am I wasting an opportunity to make a single schemed army?

>>55059820
I think it would be lore friendly

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>>55059820
It doesn't even need to be multi-province. Areas within the same province can have totally different uniforms. For instance, Altdorf is red and blue, Reikland proper is white, but Bogenhafen is purple and white.

It would be well within the background to have different states, free-towns, principalities, duchies etc with unique uniforms.

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>>55060064
A good point, but Im hoping for the colors to be all over the place. Plenty of the provincial color schemes carry at least one of the same colors, which is the kind of visual unity im trying to avoid. Plus, with an empire wide gathering, I have an excuse to use some of the bigger units.

>>55058800
Valten's entire thing is that he can't into oratory, he's just a frontline fighter.

>>55059337
Karl would lose the elections and then everyone would realise that he was right the whole time.

>>55059272
>Black
>Just won't die

Too true.

>>55061179
What?

>>55055782
Skaven. Steal slaves and trade them with the big clans(or even the Vampire Counts and/or Chaos Dwarves) for shiny loot.

Or steal Ogre children(or trade livestock to trade with the Ogres for their children) so you can get favour-favours from Clan Moulder.

You could also go for a Sartosan pirate group or homebrew on the Assassin's guild that Dogs of War mentions acts as a police force in Tilea.

For the Empire, there's the Halfling Mafia, being a Khainite(or one of those human Horned Rat cultists), roleplaying as the extremes of faith mentioned in Tome of Salvation or just flat-out going for a party of Vampires using the Night's Dark Masters supplement.

If you're confident, try shifting the setting to the Time of the Three Emperors or figure out another way to get your players involved in a war, then have them serve in the army of a general who built his reputation on war crimes and have that reputation stick to your players to build on when they reach leadership positions of their own.

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>>55059272
>Daughter hater
>anything but a massive inferiority to Tomaru

>>55062062
This. How could anyone who hasn't sown his "gene seed" into his kids be the Emperor? To despise your child so much that you don't bed any of them, this is as horrible as the Ruinous Powers!

>>55040039
What happens to a vampire when they die?

>>55062213
They become a super vampires.

>>55054215
Nagash died to literal rodents and humans like 17 times

He's weak bro

>>55055782
Raiding for slaves, maybe slave-smuggling. Generally just causing disorder or promoting evil things would work. Could focus on necromancy rather than Chaos.

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Is reincarnation a thing in WF? Asking for a friend.

Pic related.

>>55062960
Technically Valten could be considered a reincarnation of Sigmar by some.

>>55063158
That's what I told my friend, but he seems to think that Valten is just a descendant of Sigmar.

>>55062213
Brazzers.

>>55063158
I thought he was explicitly Sigmar reincarnated? At least before the End Times.

>>55062213
"True Death," whatever that entails. Morr's realm is closed to them because their souls, properly speaking, no longer exist. My best guess is that their lingering willpower is forced to hold together their mind while the Winds of Magic lash their incorporeal remnant gradually to nothing but fragments.

>>55063175
He is, but he's also Sigmar incarnate. Probably.

>>55057819
>>55058004
As the other anon elaborated on, the vampire's ashes are the key. Since some asshole can always come along later and use them to perform a ritual that brings the vampire back to unlife. Canonically, I wouldn't be surprised if Vlad's ashes were stored in the church's huge vault of forbidden things, in Altdorf.

>>55064097
>The fluff hints that he is some ancient Egyptian dude that was running around before Sigmar was born.
Are we talking about Valten or Vlad here? Because it's not like I'd be surprised by GW completely rewriting Valten's fluff for End Times, but at the same time I just don't.

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>‘I am here, Diederick Kastner,’ Valten said. His words were punctuated by the slow clop-clop-clop of his horse’s hooves.

>‘Do not say that name,’ Archaon said, his voice calmer than it had been a moment ago. ‘You have not earned the right to say that name. You are not him.’

>‘No, I am not. I thought, once, that I might be… But that is not my fate,’ Valten said. ‘And I am thankful for it. I am thankful that my part in this… farce, as you call it, is almost done. And that I will not have to see the horror that comes next.’

>‘Coward,’ Archaon said.

>‘No. Cowardice is not acceptance. Cowardice is tearing down the foundations of heaven because you cannot bear its light. Cowardice is blaming gods for the vagaries of men. Cowardice is choosing damnation over death, and casting a people on the fire to assuage your wounded soul.’ Valten looked up, and heaved a long, sad sigh. ‘I see so much now. I see all of the roads not taken, and I see how small your masters are.’ He looked at Archaon. ‘They drove their greatest heroes and warriors into my path like sheep, all to spare you this moment. Because even now… they doubt you. They doubt, and you can feel it. Why else would you be so determined to face me?’

>‘You do not deserve to bear that hammer,’ Archaon said. ‘You do not deserve any of it.’

>‘No.’ Valten smiled gently. ‘But you did.’ He lifted Ghal Maraz. ‘Once, I think, this was meant for you. But the claws of Chaos pluck even the thinnest strands of fate. And so it has come to this.’ His smile shifted, becoming harder. ‘Two sons of many fathers, forgotten mothers and a shared moment.’ He extended the hammer. ‘The gods are watching, Everchosen. Let us give them a show.’

>‘What do you know of gods?’ Archaon snarled. ‘You know nothing.’

>‘I know that if you want this city, this world, you must earn it.’ Valten urged his horse forwards and Archaon did the same.

>>55064165
>His words were punctuated by the slow clop-clop-clop of his horse...
Eeeewwwwww.

>>55064165
Valten was a descendent of Sigmar and heir to the might within Sigmar's bloodline. However, at the end, Valten saw that he was not Sigmar and he saw what was to come and he was glad that he did his part and will meet his end soon.

>>55057819
Remove his Warscrolls and delist his models.

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>>55064207
Also Archaon is hinted to be a descendent of Sigmar since both Valten and Sigmar himself said that Ghal Maraz was originally meant for him to wield. Archaon remains the only Chaotic being in existence who can not only touch Ghal Maraz but actually wield it. Other Chaotics cannot even look at it. At its barest touch they feel intense pain or combust.

>>55064309
Also-also KAAAAAAARL was revealed to be a descendent of Sigmar. Him temporarily transforming into Sigmar before the End Times were hinting towards it.

Him sharing the blood of Sigmar allowed the spirit of Sigmar to possess his body when he died at the hands of Otto Glottkin.

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>>55064165
I disagree as to Valten's ideas of cowardice - sometimes it is far more cowardly to continually accept whatever you are given, instead of fighting and actually trying to change things - but I can never argue with that 'if you want this world, you must earn it.' It's the kind of line that gives me chills, and I'm a little sad it was wasted on the End Times.

How do I git gud at TW:W?

>>55064974

Play on Easy and pretend you're not playing on Easy

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Norsca is the best thing to happen to Warhammer in years. Finally an original armylist after so long.

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>>55065028
Honestly, this. Especially if you're not used to Total War, or the newer Total Wars that T:WW heavily is based off of, you might just need some time to get used to it. Difficulty only really changes things like control for settlements and a few battle stats, but not enough overall that you're getting an entirely different experience.

>>55065330
What's original about it? It's just Marauders with some Forgeworld monsters. The actual Norsca list was much more original.

Is there somewhere I can download a pdf of the enemy within campaign?

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How do you guys like your fimir? More Chaosy, or more independent?

>>55065963
chaoshy

>>55065963
Independent, but Chaos-aligned. Old lore gives them their own crude deity, and I think that's interesting.

>>55066083
Warpstone's take, which was all from a cancelled supplement (GW never explained why), had them Chaos-OPPOSED, and though they were daemonspawn, it was from an unaligned daemon.

Then again this was written in the daemons/gods of law era, and adapted to 2e before that had been totally dropped.

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>>55065635
>Frost Trolls, Ice Wyrms, Berserkers of the Hound, Hunters, Feral Mammoths, and my new favorite Warhammer unit/model, the super badass Champions.
Real Chaos to be frank.

>>55065330

>No real range units

They're the easiest army to defeat in game

>>55066312
Its nice you can use mumakil to proxy chaos mammoth.

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>>55060607
Karl would win because he would make every female Warhammer candidate give votes to him like he did to Emmanuelle.

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>>55066672
Eh...its not the same. Chaos Mammoths are mutated horrors, its kinda hard to covert LOTR models to proper Chaos Mammoths. You can cough up alot of cash for proper ones on Ebay, but who wants to spend that much money on a dead game?

>>55066741
I don't think he's that handsome, he has Orion's Mel Gibson problem on some level.

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>>55066850
He dicked Emmmanuelle the most beautiful woman in Empire, the vampire chick and had balls to step alone into Athel Loren and speak to its rulers.

Out of every 100 priestesses of Shallya, how many should be able to cast even petty divine magic?

>>55067086
I'm not sure if the RPGs ever gave that sort of estimate. I'm going to guess 20 out of 100? I imagine it would vary from region to region a bit as well, and the rank of the cult member.

>>55047517
>>55047558
>>55047646
>>55047676

What's the source of these?

>>55069308
Liber Necris.

>>55059550
I think we should ask his spiritual adviser Wurrzag about it

>>55066940
so why the hell isnt he married yet? shouldn't the Empreor elect have an heir?

>>55069830
He had wife, son Luitpold and daughter in older 80s lore. Not sure if this is still canon because he died in that timeline.

>>55066940
Him dicking Emmanuelle was always mere speculation, wasn't it? And it was said SHE seduced HIM, not the other way around. But we also know they 'grew up together,' so it seems more likely they simply trust each other. Unless something confirmed it?

>>55067086
>>55067155
In the RPG, a Priest is not a lored career yet, you don't see the divine lore until Annointed Priest (or Warrior Priest, but Shallya doesn't have those).

Considering how rare and hard to get to third careers are...

>>55070346
You get the petty magic before that though and that's what he's asking for

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>>55054073
Chaos Dwarfs.

"The Kollossus is described as a "great mechanical giant" with the head of a bull. It is powered not only by machinery, but by the daemonic powers of bound-souls. It is made up of plated and riveted iron constructed in the shape of a great bull-headed man. It is crewed by Chaos Dwarfs, who ride within the armoured body. On its shoulders are firing platforms where additional Chaos Dwarf crew man flame-throwers which incinerate their enemies. Inside the mouth of its bull-head lies a rapid-firing cannon. The Kollossus also uses its heavy feet to crush its foes.

In the novel, Grudge Bearer, the Kollossus is repeatly fired upon by Dwarf war machines. After being struck by a cannon, oil spills forth from it like blood revealing broken gears and chains within the construct.Additional cannon fire removes one of its arms and leaking oil sets its leg on fire. As the Kollossus becomes more damaged, "immaterial shapes" escape the enchanted machinery. The Kollossus is then attacked by a Gyrocopter which immobilizes it. Dwarfs then began swarming the metal beast and shooting into the slits and rents in the armour. After the dwarfs finish, a final cannon ball cleaves the head off of the Kollossus, as it falls to the ground releasing more bound souls."

We G Gundam now!

>>55054093
>>55056529
I doubt those are still canon.

>>55070457
Colossus is seen in that 8e art from Greenskin armybook.

>>55066646
Say that to my hound hellcanon not online and see what happens

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Would you pat the scribe-slave?

>>55070615
Is he just really fat or does he have no neck?

>>55070615
I might tickle under its chin chin

>>55070615
I would give the scribe-slave a bath with a hose in the backyard.

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>>55070615
I would enslave it, and then use it as material in the creation of a new weapon. Which I would then sell to the other rat.

>>55070714
I would fuck his ratboi-pussy

>>55070615
Is being a scribe-slave the comfiest position in all of skavendom?

>your master has invested in your education so you'll likely be well-fed and exempted from manual work
>no risk of being drafted
>too insignificant to be seen as a threat by anyone else
>spend your days reading about cool prophecies and the secrets of other races

>>55070749
Eventually master will kill-slay you for knowing too much-much! Smart-clever scribe learns: act-pretend to be fool-fool, sell many-much secrets to enemy of master, defect before the Eshin come, yes-yes!

>>55065963
Trying to be Chaosy but never getting blessed.

WHETHER YOU CALL HIM DAZH, SHORNAAL, OR SLAANESH, IT'S ALL THE SAME - A RUINOUS DAEMON GOD WHOSE WORSHIPERS MUST BE ROOTED OUT AS THE WOLF RUNS THE STAG TO GROUND! BEWARE THE DAZHITES OF KISLEV, BEOTHERS IN ULRIC! A PRINCE OF UNSEEABLE BEAUTY, WITH TEMPTRESS WARRIOR-CONSORTS, ASSOCIATED WITH MEAN COMFORTS OF HOME AND A DEVOTION TO PETTY GOLD - WE KNOW THE TRUE IDENTITY OF THIS BEING!

Is there any official art of female dwarves? I know they apparently exist, but only very rarely mentioned. Is it the coy thing like with Tolkien dwarves and the beard joke?

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>>55071135
There is even model of queen Helga.

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>>55071135

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>>55071140
Woah, that's actually kind of hot
>>55071145
that is not

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>>55071135
Yes and they're pretty ugly. No wonder the dwarfs are dying out.

>>55071135
>Is it the coy thing like with Tolkien dwarves and the beard joke?

In-universe people have made this joke, and dwarfs find it hideously offensive. Dwarf women grow their hair rather than beards.

>>55071158
That's fucking hilarious,

Could there be any elven ruin in southern Nosca Shores? (IC 2522)

>>55071219
Dwarfs are not over-sexualized like men and are more breeding-oriented. I think beauty is less important for them.

>>55071219
>brothers
>minimal feuding
wew

>>55071332
Well it's not exactly said out loud in LOTR either

>>55071357
Gave me a boner

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>>55071145
>short sword
>crossbow

Isn't she sexy as fuck?

>>55067086
I would say 1 out of every 10,000 priestesses should be able to do petty magic. Divine magic is way rarer than arcane magic

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Looks like now fellow Empire and Bret players can get 103 miniatures for 150$
Farewell Freeguild minis, you wouldn't be missing

>>55070337
>slutty childhood friend
this is my fetish

>>55072870
They are as big as primaris marines.

>>55072892
Works fine for non-Chaos Norsca

>>55072593
holy shit, seriously? In the entire empire there would only be like 2 then

>>55072969
Maybe 1 in 10k people can do divine magic more than 1 in 10k priests

>>55072991
But being able to cast petty magic? Shouldn't it be more like 1 out of 40 or 50?

>>55073030
40 or 50 people or 40 or 50 priests?

>>55073256
40 or 50 priests. Although priests are widespread and have a presence in every city, the majority of them don't have the potential or faith to be able to call down miracles directly. Is that reasonable?

>>55073369
Maybe more like 1 in 20 priests. Really it's a misleading figure since the ratio will change with the location. GOOD luck finding a casting priest in any small village church but big temples might have half a dozen in a major city

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>>55040039
>Druchii "women"

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>>55073514
Why do people keep bitching about this? Nobody said anything about them in the trailer or the concept art. So they've got abs.

Big deal.

>>55073514
Youtube compression. Not even once.

>>55072870
>Big deal.
What's the point of minis like Cersei or Sansa, who never ever see the battlefield?

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>>55073600
I'm glad for this compression, though.

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>>55073662
Why?

Personally I think the difference kind of works. Witch Elves have that "coked out and stringy harlots with knives" vibe, very minimal if any body fat compared to the Wardancers (the female ones anyway) who are more tricksy and coquettish, not insane and pushing their bodies to the limit.

>>55073514
They get those abs from riding dudes while they're strapped to the ceiling.

Sex with a witch elf would probably combust an asrai's simple leaf-addled brain.

>>55073998
...Go on.

>>55073998
So that is the reason they basically have a mans torso. And what about the manface?

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>>55071135

>>55073514
Am I the only one bothered by the fact that those abs look more like a texture over the skin than an attempt to form abs?

And then they both look real human rather than being really elvish.

>>55074053
>>55074053
they have a female athelete's torso.

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>>55073514
Indeed.

Morathi may be the biggest whore in the New or Old World, but I'd still smash.

>>55074157
>>55074157
You are seeing a single freeze frame in a badly compressed youtube video compared to a screenshot taken directly from the game.

And they look pretty elvish to me.

>>55074086
>female dwarves are encouraged to be fat dependents

Do dwarves represent America in WHFB?

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>>55074225
Careful anon, if you insult Americans here you'll get a bunch of NO FAT CHICKS.

>>55074086
Dwarves like their women T H I C C

>>55073514
>you will never be a beastman and invade Athel Loren, enslaving that sweet wood pussy

>>55074370
Beastmen haven't got time for 'slaving, mate. Just be wham, on the ground, bam, half a foot of leathery cock up her ass.

>>55074383
How do you think they make more beastmen? Also you merely describe the initial encounter.

>>55074615
I don't think there's much after the intial encounter. Beastmen don't seem to keep slaves from what's written in the lore - they wreck a place, have whatever fun they have with ale or townsfolk and smashing civilized things, and then go back to the woods.

>>55074086
>ratio of one or two girls for every ten births
>low fertility

This is kind of stupid when you think about it. It makes sense for the skaven to have one female for every ten males because each female will have hundreds or even thousands of babies. For the dwarfs it just means that their population will naturally shrink with each generation. I get that the writers didn't want to bother with women and civilians for the non-humans races but they could have come up with something a bit more sensible.

>warriors of chaos appear as an NPC army and Bretonnia appears in custom battles

You guys see any factions doing that for game 2? My gut tells me Araby will be the next Bretonnia

>>55074674
>Albion was not included in the first game
Makes you think!

>>55074674
>>55074753
Calling it now: Araby is Chaos Warriors (NPC without DLC), Albion is Bretonnia (only playable in custom battles without DLC), Dogs of War/Amazons are Beastmen (no real territory and first pure DLC), and Tomb Kings are Wood Elves (second pure DLC and most anticipated faction).

>>55074822
>no Norsca equivalent

>>55074843
There are the Hung tribes. I know they aren't Norscans, but I doubt CA will devote resources to another whole new faction that they could just slap the Norscan stuff onto.

>>55074157
>Am I the only one bothered by the fact that those abs look more like a texture over the skin than an attempt to form abs?
Well, it's a strategy game not a RPG. Computers have gotten pretty good, but keeping poly count under control is still a thing when you're going to have thousands of models running around on-screen at any time.

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>>55075729
You have a good point, and maybe a better photo would be more flattering, but it still kind of looks like the abs are just drawn on to me.

Kind of makes me wonder how they'd look with toned stomachs, but without an attempt at prominent abs - or they could include those tattoos/painted symbols they had on models occasionally.

>>55074655
Dwarf numbers are supposed to be dwindling though.

>>55076085
But they're at war with half the factions in the setting, of course their numbers are dwindling. You don't need a skewed birth rate to explain that. Now we have to try and explain why the dwarves didn't just die out during more peaceful ages, or how they were able to expand the Karaz Ankor in their heyday.

>>55040463
>Mandred Skavenslayer
>killed by a skaven
What a cuck

>>55074655
Too be fair literally no one have made good female dwarves ever. Even Japan gets around the problem by making them look like children.

>>55074652
IIRC they do, but it hasn't been touched on in a while.

GW has kept the rapey monster thing part of their backstory by basically never addressing it again after a certain point, only occasionally making brief and vague allusions to it. It's something they learned to do after the Fimir went down in flames.

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>>55077250
I'm not saying they don't rape, I just don't think they take long-term slaves. They'd rather eat what they capture half the time (even if they think elves are stringy). If they need someone to do work, they can bully lesser beastmen or mutants.

>>55073551
>So they've got painted on abs.

fixed

>>55078442
Can we not just reserve judgement until we can get a look at them in-game?

>>55074652
>Beastmen don't seem to keep slaves from what's written in the lore

Refer to the Ungor hero character entry in the 7th ED army book.

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>>55078527
Nah its going to be a running meme for awhile anon, thats just how it is, may I remind you of the hovel altdorf joke at warhammer release that is practically dead now.

Out of curiosity, are there any old /tg/-heim players still lurking around?

>>55078587
I don't get the joke

>>55078638
Yeah man. We had some good times.

>>55078664
>guy at /twg/ gets butthurt that altdorf doesn't spread over the region as it grows big like it does in attila.
>starts spamming hoveldorf like the retarded nigger that he is.

>>55078686
Damn, did interest just die out? I lost my internet a few months after I joined and haven't seen a thread about it since.

>>55078754
Y'know, that did always bug me a bit, that all the empire's cities use the same model. Even in the earlier ones the model at least changed as you leveled it up.

>>55078766
Well you know how it is. You end u being too busy to play for two weeks straight and then your friend Bubba is gonna run a game of redneck shadow run and you also got that new vidyagame...

Me, I fell off due to crippling depression

>>55078870
Well shit, sorry to hear. Maybe I'll try to resurrect it if I have the time and patience to get an OP laid out and alter the 1d4chan page.

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What do you suppose elven worshipers of the Chaos Gods look like? The few examples I can think of are pretty much mutation-free; Morathi is an obvious one, and there was that druchii who went by the name of the Black Prince in the Brunner stories (no relation to Gashnag).

>>55040039
How easily can you swap between the slaughterbrute and horses in a chaos chariot, do you need magnets or are their holes for it to go in flush

>>55079725
Probably they're better at hiding whatever mutations may occur, or they're like Sigvald where on the surface they look gorgeous but after a while you start to notice that things don't seem quite right...

Like, I dunno, you see a beautiful sorceress who is able to rotate her limbs and spine far beyond how any normal humanoid could. Or maybe a man who, on closer inspection, has veins that squirm around under his skin as though they've minds of their own.

>>55040039
What would be the best way to run an all-vampire game in WFRP 2nd ed? Any fun adventure ideas for a group of them?

>>55079725
Aren't Dark Elves quasi-Chaos Elves? In one of his invasions of Ulthuan Malekith moved in with Daemons and tried to undo the Great Vortex

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>>55074615
Oh, making new Beastmen is fun indeed

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>>55079725

>>55064059
The shitty Von Carstein novels had his body buried in an unmarked grave tied to the dude who killed him, his head buried in another grave, and his brain buried in another grave. Or something like that. There's lots of non-canon stuff in those, though.

>>55080002
Someone needs to get on making a mod that re-does the Cult of Pleasure in TW2 as a Slaanesh thing stat.

>>55079725
see
>>55074179

Morathi and her inner circle of sorceresses are Slaaneshi as fuck. Morathi herself may not actually worship Slaanesh, but she certainly cavorts with it, and many of her followers are outright Chaos cultists.

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>>55079957
Depends on the era, but in the "real" Warhammer, yes...sort of.

Officially, the druchii are opposed to Chaos and Khaine is their main man, but practically, many druchii have incidental dealings with daemons (though if caught, this is punishable by death). Naggaroth is also home to the elven Cult of Pleasure, headed up by none other than Morathi, and its tentacles reach quite far. Just how seriously Malekith tends to enforce the Chaos ban varies, but pretty much the only ones who take it 110% seriously are members of the Cult of Khaine, particularly the likes of Hellebron.

>>55080002
This seems somewhat out of date now that Wood Elves are depicted as having eyes like that.

Though then again that could be a species-wide mutation for the Asrai too.

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>>55080102
Why would the Welves have eyes like that? They don't live in a particularly dark area, I mean alright it can get gloomy under a thick forest canopy, but not *that* gloomy.

>>55070337
Yeah, the rumour was that she seduced him for political favours. Emmanuelle has gone through a few revisions over the years though.

IIRC Karl was too old for her in Beasts in Velvet and his teenage son Luitpold's POV chapters talk about how creepy he feels when she looks at him. She's also characterized extremely negatively, beyond merely a ditz.

Conversely, in Empire in Flames, Emanuelle marries Heinrich Todbringer and doesn't have all that much characterization as far as I remember.

Then, by later WFRP editions she's back to being youngish but still KF's childhood friend/bit on the side and is portrayed as a bit of a bimbo.

I think the last time she appeared in the lore was fleeing Averheim with the other survivors in The End Times.

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>>55080142
It seems to be an elf thing generally, dating back to 6th, but not all elves have it.

>>55080002
It's sad that this text description is all we really get for Chaos Elves. Say what you will about the Chaos Dwarves, but at least they were fairly fleshed out, and we knew what Chaos could do to dwarves - they'd grow tusks and small horns, it'd change how they'd view the world, stuff like that. And they had models and all.

>>55080159
She's portrayed quite well in Skavenslayer as well, where when Thanquol is vaporizing nobles and screaming autistically for her to come forward, she not only does it but tells him to fuck off when he makes a demand of her.

I tend to think of her as something of a composite character, and run her that way. Yes, she's promiscuous, but this is exaggerated - women are not appreciated as rulers in the Empire, least of all SINGLE women, and so any interaction she has with any man is subject to 'she's fucking him.' She's ignorant about a lot Wissenland and especially the Empire beyond that, but incredibly talented on 'her turf' of Nuln, and smart enough to surround herself with people to fill in the gaps in her armor (in part by leading some men on, which only enhances her reputation).

She's brave and unflappable but frivolous, capricious, and selfish, and the thing that happened concerning her brother stands. She is close to Karl-Franz, but isn't fucking him. Indeed, she hardly would need to, considering she has made a number of loans to the Empire and K-F trusts her.

>>55080142
Most likely because a few artists thought it looked cool.

>>55080195
Well, there just aren't many Chaos Elves. Chaos Dwarves have a whole empire on the other side of the World's Edge Mountains. Chaos Elves just have a bunch of cultists.

>>55080159
She's an old woman in Drachenfels.

>>55080195
>>55080384

I forgot about Skavenslayer, I remember the scene in the ballroom with Thanquol now.

Haven't read Drachenfels in a few years. That's odd as BiV was written right after Drachenfels by the same author and she's an important secondary character.

>>55080443
When the Imperial nobles are travelling to Castle Drachenfels, it is said that Emmanuelle's old body couldn't take the trip without breaks.

Tyrion, Valten, Grimgor, and Gotrek in a FFA deathmatch: who wins?

>>55080506
Drachenfels canon is laughably poor, and its commentary on her age can probably be safely ignored.

She is in her "middle years" by the time of the Storm of Chaos at the very least, but considering she's still considered very physically desirable, that probably means 40s rather than 50s.

>>55080704
Grimgor, maybe. Depends if he can outlast the others through sheer virtue of being the biggest and therefore the hardest to land a fatal wound on.

>>55080704
Valten and Gotrek give each other a respectful nod and team up. Grimgor gleefully wades in against both, but can't handle them on his own. Tyrion does nothing but claims the credit after Grimgor falls, at which point Valten "accidentally" overswings and staggers the elf into Grimgor's axe.

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>>55080272
Sure, but it's still cool to have a solid idea through art and miniatures of what Chaos Dwarves look like, where with Chaos Elves all we get is some text.

Still could be a cool idea if someone wanted to homebrew a Chaos Elf kingdom on the edge of the Chaos Wastes, probably in some distant part of Naggaroth - maybe carve a citadel out of the Ironfrost Glacier.

>>55080785
Wouldn't it have to be out beyond the towers? I don't see a citadel of non-dark elves surviving that close to Ghrond and Naggarond.

>>55080506
>>55080723
>>55080384
That's someone else, Emmanuelle is said to be in her late 20s during Drachenfels.

>>55080826
Maybe if they made it secure enough? It just seemed like a cool idea to me - not only contrasting Chaos Dwarves and their heat and fire theme with ice and cold, but the idea of Slaanesh's focus on sensation contrasting with constant, numbing cold.

But it would be more likely to be out beyond the Chaos Wastes, there's just no map of that area in any detail. Maybe you could also work something out farther south in the Blackspine Mountains or something like that.

>>55080859
>>55080826
Maybe it could be close to Ghrond and Morathi is keeping them a secret? So she has her own private army getting ready, come what may.

Sort of like "What, that old ruin beyond the northern border? Oh don't worry, son of mine, all that live there these days are savages and skeletons."

>>55080704
Valten or Tyrion.

>>55080892
It also doesn't hurt that Morathi seems to have complete control over Ghrond and allows no outside interference, which Malekith allows as long as she pays her dues. All the soldiers that defend it are completely loyal to Morathi. Though to be fair, the wikia sites the 8th edition book, and I'd have to physically check the others to see if they have information on Ghrond - lots of people feel 8th's lore changes were setting up for the End Times, so they might not be the best to cite.

>>55080939

Wow, good answer.

>>55040197
>So how does Skaven society function?
It doesn't

You know that HURR DURR WE'RE FREEE! comic?

That's the Skaven. They literally only survive because of their explosive birth rate and black sorcery

>>55040233
>>55040264
Looted black steam tank the leader rides on, made to look like one of them fancy 1920's cars

>>55080963
It wouldn't surprise me, honestly. She does have that vibe of being the sort to feed anyone who shows the slightest hint of disloyalty to her horse and then bathe in their blood.

Mind you, I see Ghrond as having a pretty small population as a result. Not many people wanting to live under the Boss's crazy mother, even in Naggaroth.

>>55081197
Well someone has to defend the Dark Elves from the Chaos Wastes - I imagine a lot of people are sent there as something of a death sentence, though it's probably disguised as a luxurious soft posting with riches and the hottest elf in the setting. You just don't know you'll be doing nothing but defending those riches, and the hottest elf in the setting is going to probably cast a controlling spell on you.

>>55081243
Surely none of them think that they'll actually get to bang the king's mother, even if all those stories about her are just Asur propaganda, right?

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>>55081508
No, but she's still enticing through her own charms and magic. If you're willing to accept the End Times, there was a Dark Elf regiment called the Iceblades that was made up entirely of guys she (and her followers) had seduced and put under her magical control. There were also the Voiceless Ones, Dark Elves made mute to guard the chambers of Ghrond with absolute secrecy - the ones that guarded Morathi's chambers were apparently blinded and gelded, though that seems a little nonsensical.

>>55081508
Kouran certainly banged her in 8e after he stayed loyal to Malekith.

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>>55080142
>tfw no fertile asrai gf

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>>55080102
Asur had it too, though they are never depicted with black eyes after 6e.

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>>55081820
Why do you think they changed that? I didn't enjoy the ayylmao look, but at least you couldn't go 'they look human' like so many seem to, and it seems odd to me that it was there for one edition and disappeared after that - especially when Chaos Elves also get swept under the rug, so it's not as if they wanted to make some new group of elves distinct from the rest.

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>>55040039
When will TW WH have pic related?

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>>55082079
Too intimidating.

Is there a resource with all of the WFRP stat blocks in one place?

>>55082154
Never, back to your general kid

>>55082154
Same day we get the Rogue Idols of Gork and Mork.

>>55082079
6th was the only edition to do it.