EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55038341
why are you lying? cavern of souls has not been below 30 dollars in nearly 3 years and has not been below 20 in over 5 years

>>55038360
>What are suppositions?

>>55038360
You retard. I'm saying if they were to reprint Cavern in Ixalan, it would maybe go down to $30.

>>55038370
>oh no i got called out for being wrong
>time for damage control
(you)

>>55038333
Worked on a Volrath Phyrexian deck for a while, but it was lacking in good Phyrexian cards on theme to prevent it from just being mono-black goodstuff. Might revisit it sometime soon.

>>55038386
I'm not the guy you answered to

>>55038381
which is exactly what that card needs, it being a 30 dollar card is massively better than it being 50 dollar card

>>55038326
It would be fucking sweet if they tacked Intuition onto a legendary creature.

>>55038404
It's not better than giving significantly more people a $1 option.

>>55038408
I'd be down for that.

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Thanks for already shitting up the thread memedern and standard players

>>55038443
except its not because its a strictly worse card, wizards should be reprinting the shit out of of more expensive cards to make them available to the players. because wizards refuses to reprint anything of value ever they continue to climb to the point where a single reprinting doesnt solve the problem. if they were reprinted more frequently you would not be seeing 50 dollar cavern of souls. wizards is putting a bandaid on the problem and not fixing it

>>55038483
>>55038404
>>55038386
>>55038360
P. U. N. C. T. U. A. T. I. O. N.
You always start shit, but you could at least learn to type properly. That way we don't always know it's you.

>>55038483
>Not enjoying the game in all its forms

>>55038489
No one but spergs like you cares though.

>>55038498
>being this upset over how people write on 4chan

your life is a sad one

>>55038507
>not an argument

except people do, reprint of expensive cards is quite literally the most talked about thing in magic on every medium

>>55038489
>except its not because its a strictly worse card
And? It's still effective mana fixing in a Tribal block printed so near to the Tribal EDH precons. For every raging autist like yourself beating their fist on the table ranting about Cavern, there will be a hundred casuals happily slotting Unclaimed Territory into their decks and actually enjoying themselves.

>>55038489
>except its not because its a strictly worse card,
An uncommon is strictly worse than a mythic rare, shocking news!

We all know WotC reprint policy is shit but there's no problem with Ixalan (for now)

>>55038498
kys lmfao

>>55038498
>everyone here is the same person

>>55038526
The people that matter aren't the ones posting on the internet.

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>>55038498
D,id some.one mo!ve your're paper..clip,s to th@e wro;ng sid.e of the d)esk as;:pie

>>55038526
That's an extremely bold claim to make when the only place you can pull proof from is your lower intestines.

>>55038544
this is an idiotic statement

>>55038517
>>55038533
>>55038540
Samefag. Go back to school, and learn some punctuation, and proper grammar.

>>55038408
>they do it
>it's monoblue
Uh, flashback/retrace tribal I guess?

>>55038557
>proper grammar.
>correct grammar.
Ftfy

>>55038555
i mean you you can literally just go check different forums, videos, podcasts, websites, etc for proof. the sheer fact that sets are judged based on financial value which is derived solely from reprints and in a rare exception a standard staple is proof

>punctuationposting
Jesus fucking Christ, I thought this meme was dead.

>>55038556
I'm not the idiot who thinks that shitposters on the internet matter to WotC's bottom line.

>>55038571
Your post doesn't count because you didn't use punctuation.

>>55038557
do you think that everyone who uses proper grammar is the same person?

just think about how retarded what you are implying is for a second

>>55038578
It's not when he comes back to shit up two threads on a row.

>>55038576
Guess what, the majority of Magic's playerbase doesn't use those sites, they're content with their casual bubble of similarly casual friends, spergs like you are the outlier.

>>55038408
Make her UB and give her an ability the does something when she sacs herself.

>>55038576
>The proof is out there!

Your ass, again?

>>55038576
>the sheer fact that sets are judged based on financial value
That's shouldn't be a thing
Or at least, just a criteria

>>55038601
>the majority of magic players dont understand youtube or money

i mean if they are as stupid as you then i guess you might be right

>>55038584
There's obviously one particular anon who shitposts non-stop and refuses to use punctuation. It's not a coincidence that everyone posting with no caps or periods is on the same side of arguments. If other anons are doing the same, then that just means there are more shitposting morons.

>>55038623
>That's shouldn't be a thing

but it is. why do you think everyone hates HOU? because its worth basically nothing because there are no worth while reprints in it

>>55038628
The majority of the playerbase is made up of casuals who couldn't give less of a fuck about the cardboard stock market.

>>55038628
>Coming to 4chan for magic discussion
Pot/Kettle
Shitposting in a shitpost thread, can OP make a new one and delete this abomination

>>55038639
>Why do you think a bunch of people hate HOU?
FTFY

HOU was a pretty good set, Standard and Limited-wise. From a casual standpoint too but that doesn't matter since every set does.
Financial Value as the only indicator of worth of a set is a stupid idea

>>55038635
You know where you are right? Its like going to the ghetto to get job seeker advice

>45 posts in
>nothing EDH in the slightest
Thought I was on /vg/ for a moment

>>55038835
>reprints of EDH staples are non EDH related
People in this general are so stupid I swear.

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Who /cheatsinEDH/ here?

I have done it many times by using a little more than 99 cards in my deck because it is too hard to make cuts

>>55038939
I cheated for the longest time by not realizing you get extra sleeves when you buy a pack of a hundred so a couple of my decks were 100+ cards.
I also almost never announce my triggers.

>>55038939
Using more cards puts you at a slight disadvantage though, so it's hardly cheating.

>>55038939
The number of times I've accidentally had 100 cards in my 99 is... kind of embarrassing.

>>55038333
I always try doing that, though not a completely vorthos-minded decklist as my meta never puts flavor before function and not being able to impact the game sucks

>>55038939
When I play vs my younger brother and/or gf I often shuffle their decks because their hands are so small, and when I get the opportunity i shuffle their sol rings on top to give Thema a good start.

>>55039044
*them

>>55038939
3 sol rings dude lmao
Never in a deck with a lot of tutoring/dredge/storm though

>>55039020
I've always wondered why EDH wasn't 100 + Commander

>>55038498
this is autism.

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Well, this thread's off to a great start.

>>55038333
>Have you ever run a commander for Vorthos reasons?
I used to run Nicol Bolas a few years back with some decent flavor, but that deck ended up getting dismantled rather quickly because my meta also started to power creep hard and old Nicky B just couldn't keep up.

>>55039223
I wish they'd had the balls to print a Nicol Bolas that could be your commander in the Bolas Archenemy set.

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>>55038333
Made a tangle themed deck with the big guy as my commander, using all the cards with quotes of him and all the wurms from the tangle. Ironically drew despite its low powerlevel great amounts of hate because of Vorinclex as the commander, I turned it in a monogreen Selvala ramp monogreen big creatures. Vori is still tutor target No. 1.

>>55038333
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>55038333
Currently putting together a Queen Marchesa soldier/token tribal. Hoping for some good flavor.

>>55039281
Vorinclex is just one of those cards that people hate, and for good reason.

Same thing happens with many powerful commanders. You can sit down with some janky deck but if the commander is really annoying or powerful you will get targetted anyways.

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is this considered stax if i crack a evolving wild?

>>55039385
What part of non-land do you not understand?

>>55039385
oh fuck, it says nonland, disregard

>>55039281
Vorinclex is hilariously powerful, doubling your mana production while hobbling everyone else's stomps low-mid powerlevel tables pretty hard if it sticks.

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>>55039281
>tfw Vorinclex isnt really a big guy

>>55039458

>Vorinclex
>$22

holy shit he was garbage in-block

>>55039500
He is just got never reprinted and is played in every green deck with big trample creatures

>>55039458
>bigger than two grizzly bears put together
>not big
Vorinclex is fucking huge.

>>55039500
He's pretty good if you can get him out and make his stick, also hope you have crop rotation in hand at all times to fetch homeward path with because the guy is a prime Bribery target.

>>55039583
That's an oddly specific scenario

>>55038939

I tend to ignore colors once I get to like 8 mana and just start casting shit, probably resulting in a few games where I illegally cast some shit

>>55039631
I got him Bribery'd enough times I mulligan for Crop rotation or Homeward path every game I play against a blue deck.

>>55039458
>10-12 feet high while doing the Slav Squat
>Not Big
I mean, he's no kaiju, but he's still a giant.

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>>55038333
>Have you ever run a Commander for Vorthos reasons?

Isamaru, Samurai Pupper Voltron. I make him a Samurai on field with Sensei Goldentail, give him one of the Katana Equipments, and just have fun with it. Plus, I always have my Commander out first.

>>55039677
For sure, I've just never seen it at my tables. Then again most blue decks running a card that expensive are just playing Solitaire.

>>55039700
I play with a bunch of oldfags that got the card way back when it was cheap.

>>55039700
But Anon, Bribery is cheaper than Vorinclex.

>Bribery
>expensive
It's 20 bucks guys, I know that's a touch high for a chunk of cardboard, but it's not unrealistic that a decent amount of blue decks buy and run it. It's not even really an solitaire card either, I'd actually say it's more Timmy since you pay 5 mana and get the best creature in any deck, and deprive its owner of it

>>55039722
I'd buy a few copies if I could, copy it a few times on the stack and nueter some of the green fatty decks I'm plagued with

>>55039835
And then die horribly because Homeward path is a thing every deck with green can tutor for with no effort, I've had enough people die to the Blightsteel they Bribery'd out of my deck to force people to have at least one counter up whenever they Bribery.

>>55039832
That's why i haven't seen it before. The blue players I see that's spending that much doesn't build interactive decks.
They pay Solitaire until they combo.
There's a reason I haven't played with that group in a while

>>55039862
I guess the people I play with are fucking wierd. The only homeward path I've seen is the one I played in the helper deck precon that came out recently

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>>55039884
I'm running a lot of shit I don't want to see turned against me so I tried to make sure I got a answer for that stuff.

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>>55039832
>tfw $20 used to feel outrageous for a card
>these days I impulse buy >$30 cards and stacks of Divining Tops
I kinda miss when I could throw together some janky shit and get away with it.

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I put together this pile of jank while drunk out of spare cards I had lying around. It won quite a few games, much to my surprise. Please rate / comment / criticize.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-jank-tyrant/

>>55039700
>if you play a $15 card then you're playing solitaire
Not even close to true.

>>55039932
Well, Leovold is banned for one.

What kinds of planeswalkers do you run without solely using them for doubling season purposes?

>>55039862
>>55039832
Never seen a Homeward Path make the 99. Most people have 'better' things to do with their Utility Land allocation than screw over a fairly corner case strategy

On the other hand, it's fairly uncommon to see a Bribery either. Price does have something to do with it. I and most of the folks I know are "whole deck budget" types. Running a 20 dollar card is hardly out of the question, but only a few of them will show in any given deck and especially in 3+ color decks that blow a hefty chunk of their budget on Shocks and other mana base needs, Bribery doesn't tend to get considered the kind of effect that's worth the price.

I remember when it was considered a fucking EDH staple, though. But that was back when people played EDH with more of an eye to Timmy so five mana was a fucking deal to nab a Darksteel Colossus (Or Eldrazi Titan I guess, but I'm pretty sure Bribery had fallen out of favor by the time they released)

is there a Bribery/Acquire for enchantments or lands? It seems like an obvious thing they should print eventually.

>>55039945
We play under MODO 1v1 rules, which means Leovold isn't banned, but Sol Ring is.

At the risk of starting a dumb pointless argument, MODO rules are much better even for multiplayer. 30 life means aggro now matters in the format.

>>55039959
There's always Eternal Dominion. Grabs anything but a PW IIRC.

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>>55039954
This one. If you protect her for 1 turn then you get an enormous advantage for the rest of the game. Ramping and playing her before anyone can attack her is gg.

>>55039927
I bought a Gaea's Cradle a few weeks ago for $200. I'm glad I have it, I'm just having some incredible cognitive dissonance about the thought that I now own a piece of cardboard supposedly worth a small family's weekly grocery bill, and it is primarily worth this much because the greedy assholes who created it have sworn to never produce more copies of it.
at least the guy who sold it to me bundled it with a Survival of the Fittest after I haggled him

>>55039918
This card always reminds me what a shitfest kamigawa manacostwise was

>>55039955
Same here. In the group I played with 5 years ago, Bribery was a total staple in most of our blue decks. It very often was a 5 mana Blightsteel Colossus or at least some other Timmy monster. I don't know how much it cost but I would guess 5$ or less. In my current group I've never seen it played.

>>55040024
Just reading Iname as one's textbox makes me want to cut the guy who designed it, the only usable Iname is the monoblack one because it dumps half your deck in the yard for graveyard abuse.

>>55039954
Tezzeret the Seeker, Dack Fayden.

>>55039988
>MODO rules are much better
Start running Leovald as your commander until your playgroup comes to think otherwise.

>>55040093
There's a guy who runs Leovold in my meta and he's not as bad as people make him out to be. My Daretti still destroys him regularly.

>>55040012
RL cards will eventually be reprinted. with the say WotC is headed they wont have a game people are buying in the near future and will reverse the RL decision in some sort of masters set that costs 500 a box msrp and the prices will tank

nothing lasts forever, not even the RL. it is an inevitability

>>55040093
I would literally prefer to have Leovold and everything on the list unbanned if I could get Sol Ring and other fast mana/mana rocks banned. Strong cards can be unfun, but not as unfun as some random asshole getting an unfair advantage because he got his rocks first.

>>55040024
Kamigawa wins hard on flavor, but man did card costs suck. They also played it way too safe with Splice and some of the other mechanics.

>>55040165
Well obviously, but the question is how long it'll take. I'm thinking it'll be about 5 or 10 years before they finally decide to quit fucking up so much (relentlessly pushing Standard and fucking over eternal formats, trying to make planeswalkers and hamfisted diversity cool, burning money on an MMO no one will play, etc, etc)
Trust me, I'm looking forward to the eventual crash and burn, no matter how small it ends up being.

>>55040228
Jesus, I completly forgot that there is a mmo coming.

>>55039936
That's not what I said, but okay

>>55031636
drop alabaster potion

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>>55040248
Is there? First I'm hearing about it. And more than likely the last as well.

>>55039932
No other criticism on this pile of shit?

>>55040408
Nothing I can think of. You called it a pile of shit, not me, but if it works, it works.

Anon from last night who brought up Jhoira. I finally figured out my theme. I'm going with Myr artifact combos. I love the cute litte guys, but I've never had the chance to do a deck with them. This should be fun.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cancel-everything-baral-chief-of-compliance/

new to EDH, how's this look guys, already have Jace and Thing in the ice, as well as a couple other cheap cards, what else would you guys rec? Nothing that costs too much.

>>55040389
http://www.mmorpg.com/mobile/news.cfm?read=44474&ismb=1

Here you go boi

>>55039999
T H I S
H
I
S

I have NEVER had my Vital Force not put in a massive amount of work in every game she comes down in. I get to sit there ramping, regrowing good shit and drawing cards every single time because nobody understands how powerful a personal Horn of Greed can be. Quality quads, Anon.

I'm looking for ways to play things out of my graveyard in Izzet. Mostly Enchantments and the occasional artifact (but mostly Enchantments). What are my options?

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>>55040454
>truly unique triple-A game
That's an oxymoron if ever there was.

>>55040228
the MMO will probably do it. MMOs are stupidly expensive to make and upkeep while having awful pay out assuming its not WoW. think about it when was the last time you heard of a successful MMO that was not WoW?

Random question, but when do Ixalan spoilers start?

>>55040444
If you mean to play multiplayer (Aka EDH as it was intended) turn back from this course of action entirely. Counterspell Tribal will never win against more than one opponent. If you're playing 1v1, that's a different story.

You do NOT have enough mana. Industry Standard is between 35 and 40 land with 5-15 ramp effects depending on your access, needs, and curve. 35 land, 10-12 ramp usually does the job. You have 34 land, and a mere 4 ramp effects even under the most generous interpretation of the term (that is, counting your commander and Curious Homunculus which, as a dork, is more fragile than rocks or land ramp.) Get yourself Sol Ring, Sky Diamond, Mind Stone, Mana Vault if the 15 bucks isn't too much for your budget, Worn Powerstone, Hedron Archive, Eye of Ramos, Everflowing Chalice... basically anything mana-positive and/or cost 2- that comes in untapped, plus some better high cost options

>>55040529
I think a "truly unique mmorpg" is even funnier.

>>55040571
all the rares and mythics were already spoiled a while ago, just good it

just be warned that all of them are complete dog shit and will be utterly worthless upon arrival

>>55040228
When was the Last time any one got hyped for a mmo/mmorpg that was not the 20. expansion of wow or a moba? It will completly flop.

>>55040165
If they're in serious financial trouble then how will they afford all of the legal costs of being sued?

Get over yourselves, the cards are collector's items and will become more expensive. You've got a better chance hoping for an economic crasg that causes people to start selling their collections. Prices will drop again when that happens and if you have the money to spare you can stock up then.

>>55040165
>poorfag's daydream
People have been saying that for 20 years, bucko.

>>55040607
Thats.... not what I asked but I figured it out, its September 4th

>build a prowess commander deck with a convoluted 5 card combo
>Hey guys I built a new super shitty deck mind if we play some durdlenaught?
>T1 Sol ring
>Turn 3 paradox engine
>Turn 5 infinite
Woops

>>55040793
Sounds like Paradox Engine in a nutshell to me.

>>55040793
>plays paradox engine
>is surprised when shit ends in a infinite
Ban that piece of shit already.

>>55040793
>build an Animar grouphug deck since there weren't many commanders for it and it was the best color combo for it
>wincon is just big dudes and big enchantments
>accidentally keep shitting out my entire deck onto the board even without Enter the Infinite, Omnipotence or Primal Surge

>>55040508
Izzet doesn't really interact with enchantments.

Saprazzan Bailiff, Hakim Loreweaver, Skull of Orm, and Crystal Chimes are what you've got to work with.

>>55040644
I love how convinced reserved list defenders are that they/card retailers will be able to sue Wizards if they ever abolish the list. First, it's not even a legally binding contract, it's effectively just a promise that was never legally notarized. So any case for a lawsuit already starts off on flimsy footing. Next, you have to realize that Wizards and Hasbro have a massive legal department and deep coffers, so there's no way a bunch of collectors and card resellers could muster a sufficient defense. Finally, the profits from finally being able to use those reserved cards to sell packs/precons would almost certainly outweigh any potential settlements, if the detractors are able to win a few cases.
To summarize, it's not a question of if they'll ever repeal it, but when: and when is when they fall on "hard times" or at least a few quarters of slimmer profits.

>>55040892
I only have 20 years and the history of the Chronicles debacle behind my position. What do you have, your wish that cards were cheaper?

>>55040644
The reserved list is not nor ever has been legally binding.

>>55040892
Wotc has proven again and again that they won't reprint NON-reserved list cards to bring their prices down. If 10 years have passed and they haven't reprinted Tarmogoyf in a preconstructed product (which would be guaranteed to sell) then how can you think they'll do it with the RL cards?

>>55040921
Funny you should mention the Chronicles debacle, since that lets me make the point that Magic is a much bigger game that's more secure in its market share and playerbase than it was back then, which is even further evidence that Wizards is now much more capable of laughing off collectorfags if they come around whining this time, since it's no longer dependent on them to keep the game alive.
Also I hate to bust your bubble, but I already own most of the cards on the list. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a poorfag, Schlomo.

>>55040921
Chronicles was 20 years ago and MTG was a very different game back then. You are retarded for using this example.

>>55040981
>(((Schlomo)))
Woah, cool it. I'm not an "mtg investor" but I don't agree with your analysis or expect them to start reprinting the reserved list any time soon. Wotc likes the game being expensive and there are many signs of this.

>>55041030
Well this exact same conversation has been taking place the whole time and all that has happened is the reserved list became stronger as they closed loopholes like reprinting with different borders or as foils. I think it's evidence vs wishful thinking and if I had my choice there would be cheap versions of all cards available. I play with people using proxied decks and it is great. That's the way to enjoy the game and ignore the RL.

>>55040508
Sounds like you're trying to play a Hanna deck in the wrong colors to me.

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>>55038939

>Friend of mine keeps accidentally putting multiple copies of cards in his deck
>It's always some complete jank
>We all laugh it off and joke about it
>Last week
>Turn 1 Sol Ring
>Gonti hits him a couple turns later
>Hits Sol Ring #2

>>55038939
Speaking of which there is absolutely no reason why you can't have more than 99 cards in your EDH deck. Such a silly rule.

>>55040892
It's not investors they have to be worried about, it's an investigation for market manipulation.

Let's just recap: I'm not trying to argue that the Reserved List WILL be abolished soon, I'm just arguing that the possibility is there and legal, and muh lawsuitfags don't really have a leg to stand on. Of course I don't expect Wizards to make sensible or consumer-friendly business decisions until their profits start hurting or the community as a whole is in an uproar, they're on a similar level of shittiness as GW or Blizzard.

>>55040644
>implying the RL is a legally binding contract
>implying anyone has the balls to sue a hasbro company which has a legal team that sues literal children

that case would be laughed out of court so fast and even in some magically fairy tale land where it wasnt hasbro would shit all over whoever did sue

>>55038391
If you wanna do phyrexian theme deck use sheoldred. There are a lot of phyrexians in black with etb effects or death effects.

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>>55038939
>Friend will constantly look at the next card in his library on other peoples turns
>When called out on it he says "I'm planning my turn so it goes faster"
>mfw

>>55041237
Try sounding the alarm when formats other than Vintage start allowing proxies. That will happen in Legacy eventually.

>>55038333
I ran a Thelon of Havenwood deck for a bit that was utter jank. It was durdle.dec.

Are all arena league promo lands foil? Im looking for really pimp older plains and was looking at ALP.

>>55041263
>a hasbro company which has a legal team that sues literal children
Did they sued kids in the past?

>>55041371
WotC made it that tournaments cannot use proxies so even Vintage can't use proxies anymore

I'm impressed people PLAY Vintage, who the heck has that much money?? And knows at least seven other people that much rich too??

>>55041351
When playing with friends I actually support this but it only works with chill friends. I'll scry someone to a land if they miss a few land drops for example. Doing it yourself is not ok but some of us do it to each other to keep games moving.

>>55041223
>implying that isnt something that happens literally daily in the states with little to no consequences
>implying its a regulated market where that even applies

>>55041150
GONTI, ANTI-CHEAT POLICE

>>55041396
>WotC made it that tournaments cannot use proxies so even Vintage can't use proxies anymore

I'm impressed people PLAY Vintage, who the heck has that much money?? And knows at least seven other people that much rich too??

They actually do but they call them "playtest" cards instead of proxies. I still call them proxies by habit and Vintage with 10-15 proxies is often cheaper (depends on the deck) than Legacy. Stores in the Northeast, Ohio, and the Bay Area still host Vintage tournaments regularly. If you go on to mtgtop8 or tcdecks and check the Vintage results, virtually all of those tournaments allowed at least 10 proxies.

>>55041396
no one plays vintage aside from the same like 15 people at every tournament

>>55041414
>implicating the government won't do something about it to avoid dealing with Rudy

>>55040644
>If they're in serious financial trouble then how will they afford all of the legal costs of being sued?
>A bunch of neck beards pool together their money, totaling 10-20 million
>vs the billions Hasbro makes
>vs the lawyers Hasbro has

>federal investigation into market manipulation
>over fucking mtg cards
>with the total value of the market probably being worth less than the costs behind the investigation itself
>over fucking trading cards

lmao, eat a dick mtglion. Government has bigger issues than whether or not a bunch of neckbeards get pissy over their cards. You'd get laughed at by any serious organization,

>>55041223
How? Outside of simply publishing product, Wizards has no control over the secondary market. Speculators can and do inflate the value of cards regardless of what WOTC does. If you're implying that selling more of something to make it cheaper is market manipulation then Chaquita is fucking criminal.

Just pulled a Masterpiece Steel Overseer but I don't play Modern.
Should I hang onto it for a bit and see if the price goes up?

>>55041582
who? sorry im not up to date with the latest redditor name fags

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>Bought the Mana base to run 5 color Ally and Dragon decks
>Now just want to run more 5 color decks and hot swap the Mana base

It's an addiction but seeing that rainbow of cards fanned out is gorgeous.

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>>55041611
There are a whole lot of ways to manipulate markets that get you in trouble with the SEC, like posting, even though unofficial channels, information that would drive up the price of a product, and then letting it crash after you've sold off your supply.
>>55041660

>>55041310
I'm big on Old Phyrexia, otherwise I would've.

>>55039281

fuck, I forgot I had one

probably lost in a trade binder, time to pick him up and put him in angry omnath

>>55041835
We need a Gix card in Commander one of these years. I know Wizards' record on old lore characters has been kind of hit and miss (Hits: Mairsil, Ramos, Feldon; Misses O-Kagachi, Ludevic isn't as old but he was a damn big miss) but that still leaves a decent chance of getting a good commander out of him.

>>55041786
Right, but WOTC sells products through retail at MSRP, they don't participate in the secondary market. Fluctuations in market value do affect the the company.

>>55041786
I don't know who he is but that face is up there with Martin Shkreli and (2d) Shinji Matou in the list of most punchable faces I've ever seen.

>>55042024
He seems like a nice guy desu. His videos aren't my thing though.

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>>55042024
When people complain about investors, they're complaining about Rudy.

>>55042160
no they are complaining about investors as a whole, just because that guy is your favorite redditor doesnt mean everyone is personally attacking him

>>55042229
Different anon, I'd love to punch him in the face and moltov his collection.

He's a dick, and it's do him a lot of good.

>>55042256
>moltov
>not just stealing it
You don't belong here.

>>55040584
the deck is just a casual thing to play with friends, sometimes 1 on 1 so that's fine, however I did add some ramp though thanks for the advice

>>55042256
Same, I would beat Rudy to within an inch of his life if I ever met him in the real world. I'd do the same with any investor really but Rudy is the only one that has a face I know.

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>>55042024
>not playing a rudy deck

>>55042273
How in the fuck are you going to steal ALL of it? I think having him cash that pitiful insurance cheque would break him.

>>55042298
Fuck investors. Fuck the Reserve List.

>>55042229
Rudy is practically the face of mtgfinance right now, so he gets referenced a lot when it comes to mtg finance and speculation.
Also, why did you even bother with that single comma? It's like you're trying, but you don't quite grasp the concept.

>>55042316
>How in the fuck are you going to steal ALL of it?

This is going to be a goddamned heist movie, anon.

Rudy isn't that bad

He seems like he at least really loves MtG on some level. I mean he doesn't play it but still

>>55042333
>Also, why did you even bother with that single comma?

to trigger autists like you

>>55042160
No sane person buys this much theros

>>55042256
>talks about beating a guy because he talks about a subject you don't like
>he's somehow the dick
Okay senpai.

I'm a simple man. I like Brago, Meddling Mage, Reflector Mage, and Lavinia is my waifu.

>>55042362
Dude owns and runs a game store iirc. You dont often get to play thst much mtg at that point.

>>55042362
>seems like he at least really loves MtG on some level
>literally made a video explaining that his end goal was to buy and then burn al alpha cards in existence

>>55042390
I see you're a man of taste as well.

>>55042098
>nice guy
>doesn't help making the game more accesible

Hitler was ok I guess.

>>55042333
>why did you even bother with that single comma?
watch this; Youre a fag..

>>55042469
delete this

>>55042388
Violence is a justified response to dickitry. Dick and begat dickitry upon you.

>>55042382
No, I seriously think you have a learning disorder. That's probably why you're a poorfag who doesn't have a real job to afford overpriced cardboard.

>>55040950
They simply put goyf in modern masters, at mythic, because they knew people would buy the shit out of them.

>>55041391
Still looking for an answer. Anyone?

>>55042517
No.
Just like you'll never be able to foil out 90% of the cards introduced in Commander precons.

Still hurting that I didn't get a foil Titania in Anthology.

>>55042504
t. nahiri

>>55042544
kek

>>55042514
They have reprinted him and used him to sell MM but the price is steady at $100 for years. They aren't reprinting Goyf to drive the price down, at all.

>>55042508
i actually am not a poorfag, i just dont waste money on hundred dollar pieces of cardboard. just because someone is unwilling to spend money on something does not mean they are unable to spend money on something. in fact your inability to use basic logic is probably more evidence of a learning disability than anything posted in this thread so far. id suggest you read a book in an attempt to learn something but i honestly doubt you would understand it

>>55042544
Holy shit my sides.

>>55039020
First 2 edh decks I ever built had like 106 cards due to extra sleeves and tcg player sending me extra cards

I don't stack my triggers properly unless it actually matters for a comvo, otherwise I just resolve them at will. I do declare all of them though

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>>55042598

>i actually am not a poorfag

Things poorfags say

>>55042673
And people who aren't poorfags. Huh, whoda thunk it

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>>55042673
i bet your a poorfag, dont try saying your not its only things a poorfag would say

>>55042686

I'm 6'7 with a 13 inch dick. I make $270,000 a year working as a professional chef at Wendy's.

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>>55042539
>>55041391
>He actually likes foils

>>55042627
>not stacking triggers properly
That shit is highly important if anyone you're playing against has any amount of reactive cards.
Too many triggers on the stack can all go horribly awry by just nudging a creature before they even start going off.
I mean if you're not even gonna play by the rules why play at all?
It's like traveling
Or horsecollaring
Or pretending that Puerto Rican guy broke your foot

>>55042627
You forgot
>Primeval Titan should be unbanned

>>55042731
Can You give me an example? Say I use bravo to flicker sea gate Oracle, prophetic prism, and tsabos web

Normally it goes something like this

>alright so sea gate, prism, and tasbos
>draw 2 for prism and tasbos
>look at top 2 and add 1 for sea gate

Sen Triplets or Hanna Ships Navigator? Who does the better control deck?

>>55042914
They're both lightning rods but Hanna is better for control. CA > Protection during your turn and MAYBE burning your mana on your own turn to steal something.

>>55042841
Assuming you meant Brago, they'd all enter the battlefield at the same time
At which point you'd choose how the abilities are stacked.
Since you want it resolved that way you'd put Oracle's trigger on the stack first, then Tsabo's then Prism
Then as the triggers resolve you'd get
>Draw 1
>Draw 1
>look at top 3

>>55042398
out of love, because he doesn't want his children to sell them

in the same video, he explained that he feels some connection to the cards somehow, and that he thinks that's the reason everyone else is buying out the cards like him. people just love that cardboard too much and want to hoard it.

>>55042914
Hanna is pretty solid going by my experience. Tons of neat things for you to recur, but you're gonna want some kind of protection to mitigate the removal she tends to draw. I don't have any point of reference for Sen Triplets unfortunately, as I've actually never seen a Triplets deck in action.

>>55042914
sen triplets draws hate like no other commander ive ever seen

>>55042720
This. Foils rarely look good and they warp too easily.

>>55043010
Dunno bout you but if people are willing to spend removal on Hanna instead of actually threatening shit I'm happy.

>>55039955
Only one I've seen used was in my buddy's Zedruu seck. Could probably make it into a colorless deck too, since it's no downside aside from being nonbasic

>>55042948
Whys Hanna a lightning rod? I get Triplets but Hannas super slow.
>>55043056
Why do ppl hate Triplets, theyre 5 mana and maybe get to cast like two cards max a turn from one guys hand, stops infinite combos too. Unless you have all the fast artifact mana they wont come out very early and two to three send backs make them near impossible to cast

>>55043009
>i love it so much i want to destroy it forever
>this is somehow logical and a good thing

honestly the mental gymnastics you are doing amazes me

>>55043177
Don't you just want to kill the person you love so noone else can have them, anon? :^)

>>55043171
>Why do ppl hate Triplets
because they dont like getting their stuff stolen essentially. its funny because the triplet are slow and clunky as fuck and basically fold to 2 kills spells cause esper fucking sucks at ramp. they did get significantly more powerful with the mana change but at the same time its still a do nothing deck once the triplets are dead and that is an incredibly easy thing to accomplish

>>55043101
That's a fair point really, she's cheap enough it doesn't matter too much.

>>55043171
Hanna is easily killed and threatens pretty insane value if she goes unanswered.

>>55043077
>Foils rarely look good
Agreed.

I think the only ones I can remember liking are Endless Sands (The fucking mirror sun will blind you with glare) and Somberwald Dryad (Which is useless everywhere)

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>>55043230
Yeah, she's great value if she sticks but it's no big deal if she dies.

>>55042298
You wouldn't do fucking shit, and if you did you'd go to jail for assault, fucking Keyboard Warrior

>>55043209

>esper sucks at ramp

Artifact mana > green ramp

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>just got the notification that my preorders have been shipped
Here we go, boys.

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>>55043249
My commander's vault Maelstrom Wanderer foil is dark as fuck and looks like shit, I know the struggle.

>>55043378

Commander's arsenal foils are really bad

>>55043341
False except like 3 cards, maybe 5 or 6 if you count moxen, and green can just use them too

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>>55039044
That's nice of you, good job

>>55043249
The ones that are good look amazing though.
Commit // Memory
Hour of Revelation
Overwhelming Splendor
Isperia (both of them)
Cascading Cataracts
Just to name a few

>>55043371
Is that weird al?

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>>55043341

>>55043457

Mox Opal, mana vault, Grim Monolith, signets, thrown dynamo, gilded Lotus, etc will make huge mana wayyyyy faster than green ramp, it's not even remotely close

Artifact mana usually comes in untapped, unlike land ramp, and doesn't need haste unlike mana dorks.

Also green being forced to run the best artifact ramp on account of it being better than green's ramp is not an argument in favor of green ramp being better than artifact mana

>>55043518
No it's Braids.

Foils totally depend on the printing/set.

God Tier: Urza's, 7th edition, early promos

Great Tier: Scars of Mirrodin, Innistrad+Dark Ascension (not AVR), Judge promos, Tarkir, all old bordered blocks

Fragile Tier: Time Spiral, Ravnica, RTR, Lorwyn, BFZ, SOI (these can be beautiful if they're mint but they darken and curl)

Weird Tier: AVR

Shit Quality Control Tier: Kaladesh and Amonkhet

>>55043685
>ordered a foil Riptide Lab while it was still $30
>it still hasn't come in, despite having said it was shipped
Man, I don't want a refund because it's twice the fucking price now.

>>55043553
Haha, no, no signets andGilded lotus aren't better than green ramp. I almost think this is a bait post at this point thanks to gilded lotus like what the fuck dude. The card is fine but if we're talking power level it is not in the running. The only artifact ramp better than green's ramp are ones that go mana plus which green rarely does, so sol ring, mana crypt, grim monolith, and maybe mana vault. Then the generic moxen if you dont mind the card disadvantage. Even at higher cmcs like Gilded Lotus's five, green has Hour of Promise searching any two lands

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>>55043553

You wrong at all and I'm a pretty avid green player. Still, green's ability to shut down all those artifacts/enchantments speaks volumes for how well green can catch up.

Also Priest of Titania and Somberwald Sage would like a word with you.

>>55043809
*Edit*

You're *not* wrong at all. I was partially agreeing with you there. Sorry bout that

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So anon why does this cum gargling whore exist? WHY the FUCK do EXP counters STAY on after I terminate the bitch? Its like she can do anything she wants. ANYTHING SHE WANTS and I can't do shit about it other than exile her graveyard. So what, I have to make my entire gameplan around playing FUCKING DEFENSE? Oh and she can just make a new graveyard with Buried Alive and win the game with all the counters she kept? Fuck this busted ass commander and fuck her stupid goddamn zombie dragon. I hope she and whoever conceived her suffer eternal incineration, knowing the pain of being disintegrated over and over again. /rant

>>55039281
>play colorless Eldrazi with NUlamog as my commander
>it's always 1v3 archenemy
I mean, I understand nobody wants to count off 20 cards from their deck per swing, but it always ends the same way
>I pick a player to swing at because I know I'm going to die unless I get multiple board wipes, so I might as well take one with me or at least cripple the strongest player.
>get said player down to 18 cards in their deck before I die
>they end up winning anyway
Sometimes just having the scariest thing on the board means more than actually being the one about to win.

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>>55044044
Oops.

>>55038333
>thread question
I have been thinking of trying to build a deck fully on top-down design based on a theme, like Music for example, it would have cards related to music, like Seething Song, Springleaf Drum, Yisan, Chord of Calling, Wild Cantor, etc. Or even stuff like Tenacious D(ead), Rolling Stones, or Tezzerret, Master of Metal.

>>55043341
>>55043727
>>55043809
rocks are usually better than all the green land ramp. the only exception is if artifact hate is ridiculous n your meta

with that said, green mana dorks outclass are better than rocks that aren't fast mana

>>55038939
I've never cheated on purpose, but I have done things like hastily made a deck and added two copies of Sol Ring, but told people immediately I fucked up.

Did find out yesterday that I've been cheating for months though, I reread Fauna Shaman and noticed that I've had to discard a card to tutor with her.

No one's ever noticed.

>>55041351
We have a house rule allowing this if someone's taking an extremely long time, like a combo player trying to see if they can combo, or if you're losing badly and want to concede soon you can check it out to see if it's even worth going into the next turn.

No one's abused it so far though.

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>>55044044
Because the counters get put on the player and not her.

>>55044044
she's not even that good desu, just a frail value generator in a format where value loses to memes

>>55044044
Perhaps this will make you feel better:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-who-tutors-golgari-style/

>>55044205

what does that even meeeeaaaaannnn?

>>55044268
that it doesn't matter if a meren player reanimates sad robot 4 times in 2 turns because he will still lose to mike and trike or a massive fucking thromok flung at him

>>55044268
If you don't know that, that's probably a big part of your issue. She's frail and offers no sort of protection whatsoever. Every EDH deck, an I mean EVERY EDH DECK should be packing some form of grave hate. Graveyard recursion is something you'll see in just about any deck and it's a really easy plan to interact with if you make just even a little extra room for it. Meren is a value commander, meaning she generates advantage, but offers nothing else. She isn't a wincon, she doesn't have protection, and she isn't a combo piece. She just gets you back other things. You can either kill her every time she comes out, making her hard to recast, or exile her grave and force your opponent to waste time setting up again. Or both. Meren is easy to shut down provided you pack some answers, which a good chunk of your deck should be dedicated to.

>>55044044
Is it possible to purchase a card like this? I prefer this art for obvious reasons.

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>>55043249
I have a foil Gift of Orzhova and it's a thing of beauty.

It's also kind of expensive for being otherwise useless, sitting at around $5-$6 for the Gatecrash foil. The foil MM3 printing without the watermark isn't even $1 though.

>>55044044
there are so many graveyard hate card out there and she insta folds to it

>>55044439
Probably can for some abhorrent price. I was looking at alters a while ago and they were running for like 40+ dollars.

>>55044519
I know how you feel, I pulled a foil Gift of Orzhova in the pre-release, and it is fucking beautiful. Without to mention that it actually won me a game that day.

>>55044549
Sweet

>>55043378
I'm reasonably sure those are proxies... but it boils my autism anyway.

>>55043685
>Weird tier: AVR
I do have a foil OG Avacyn and I think it looks pretty great, but every other AVR foil I've seen just looks strange. What did they even do there?

>>55040454
There is only one single way this game could get me hyped at all.

Magic the gathering is all about casting spells and summoning figmants of things you've seen. If I don't get the ability to summon a bunch of monsters and have them fight monsters for me, or gain summons of enemies I defeat, it will be just another generic MMO.

They also need to make sure color devotion plays a big part.

>>55044581
My LGS keeps a longbox of foil $0.50 common/$1 uncommon draft chaff from current sets, since they'd buy people's leftover draft pools and loose cards from people buying boxes for bulk. During the Gatecrash draft season, I rummaged through it regularly and happened to find a Gift of Orzhova once. I also ended up with a Cartel Aristocrat, Debt to the Deathless, and a few other odds and ends.

>>55044519
I really want a foil teysa, orzhov scion. Foil cards with watermarks are beautiful.

>>55044625
Nope.
Some idiot storeowner commissioned an artist to do the alters so they could hopefully sell them at a huge markup to some brony. Turns out everyone was rightfully disgusted and he ended up having to sell them at a loss to be rid of them.

>>55044044
>I have to run INTERACTION?

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>>55044657
As I understand it, they fucked up and accidentally used the Premium Deck Series foiling process instead of the usual Expert Set foiling.

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>>55044044
I run pic related and Scavenging Ooze in my Azusa and I usually have no problems with graveyard decks.

>>55044683
I have one. She heads my only Commander deck currently.

>>55044366

Thanks matey, you da real MVP

>>55044683
There's a really strong chance that next time we head back to Ravnica they'll do a Masterpiece series of the Guild legends.

>>55044765
Sweet, teysa is my only commander deck right now too. Probably gonna order a foil one next month.

>>55044806
I want a foil Godless Shrine too but $95 is steep

>>55044366
How many grave hate cards is enough?

>>55044806

Teysa is fucking amazing. Ophiomancer makes muh dick ROCK HARD

>>55041187
I keep a deck box of about 60 cards that I rotate in or out of that last slot or two I can't settle on. If there were no rule I might have like 110 cards in my deck.

>>55041351
Ive seen people announce they are scrying and then do it just to see if anyone stops them. It's not like they can unsee the card.

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>>55042024
Why? Oh no, you're not playing standard, are you?

>>55044821
I usually run Scavenger Grounds, Tormod's Crypt if I know I'll be playing against Black, Scavenging Ooze if I'm in green, Bojuka Bog if I'm in Black, Relic of Progenitus if I find I don't have either of those too, Nihil Spellbomb, or Rakdos Charm. I rarely run fewer than 3 pieces of grave interaction in any deck (3 is for grave-light metas) and don't tend to go above 5.

Here's a pretty good list of grave hate cards sorted by type. If you find Meren is kicking your ass a little too much, grab about 5 or so of the cards from here and she'll rarely do much ever again.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-of-graveyard-hate-for-edh/

>>55043546
Would this be unbanned if it was
a) fetch two basic lands
b) fetch one land
c) fetch one basic land
d) never ever, ban all ramp
?

>>55044625
They're real. If someone is selling power, that shit gets tested. Judging by the condition, they were probably graded too.

>>55044911
If it was on cast rather than ETB.

>>55044911
It'd probably be fine if it fetched two basics. There's better ramp than that in EDH as is. It's only so good because it can grab anything.

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>>55038333
>Thread Question: Have you ever run a Commander for Vorthos reasons?
I've never run a commander for anything but. Since Wizards is determined to not support the storyline and instead publish some nasty-ass "X-Men in Themepark Land" fanfic I've got no choice to do right by my favorite characters myself.

I'm still waiting on a proper RG Freyalise with Rebecca Guay art. The one I've got is okay I guess but it's just not Freya without Guay.

>>55044822
I like her but I run nearly every tutor to just Darkest Hour combo as fast as possible

>>55043685
Dark as Fuck Tier: Zendikar block

>>55044755
They do look a bit similar, did they ink the Premium Deck cards differently or something?

Best tier: OG Ravnica + Guildpact (Sorry Dissension, too dark)

>>55044971
Yes. That was part of making the "Premium" feel to the decks.

>>55044959
Post yfw they do Masterpiece Series: Planeswalkers in Dominaria with Guay, Nielsen, Walker, etc. doing the art.

I honestly try to avoid foils in magic when possible. Because of my autism, I always end up feeling one of three ways:
>the only card that can be foil is your finisher/wincon card
>the only foils are alternate arts you can only get foil. (I personally like having different arts for my cards when possible)
>If you foil any other cards, you must foil all of your cards. Otherwise it just looks ugly.

Because of these three reasons (and how much more it costs to foil an entire deck) I usually just avoid foiling. Especially since most mtg art isn't created with foiling in mind, so it ruins a lot of art.

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>>55044044
stay mad yo

>>55043727

Mana plus is like what all the best mana rocks do you stupid cunt, but that's not all, even the other ones can be tapped the turn you play them, resulting in explosive plays like casting 6-7 drops on turn 2, which cannot be done with green ramp. Also all the fastest green ramp (mana dorks) is vulnerable to board wipes

>>55044519
Oh, yeah, that's another good one.

>>55045081
You basically just described me, except I haven't gone for the alternate arts. However, I also go for the "all or nothing" foils. Burns my soul when a lot of fun cards from commander sets and such don't exist in foil, though.

>>55045081
My brother only likes using foil permanents. His opinion is that if it's going to be foil, it should be something that stays on the battlefield for a while, so foil Instants, Sorceries, or even foils of cards like Fetchlands don't appeal to him.

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Posting my Breya list, I'm pretty happy with the powerlevel for my group but I'm always looking for new additions. Thinking about cutting Noxious Gearhulk for Sharrum, thoughts?
>3.03 average CMC
I'm playing 11 cmc2 rocks, though I decided to decline the fast mana for powerlevel reasons
>Deathmantle combo
Needed to keep the powerlevel low for my group, and I already have a deck that usually wins by going infinite, I don't really savor Breya and the 4c Tutors.dec
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-06-17-breya-edh/

>>55045490
Darksteel Forge and Padeem, Consul of Innovation are two includes I'd add.

Whipflare is terrible. Unless you constantly play against 1/1tokens.dec then replacing it with a boardwipe is just better.

>>55038939
I sometimes get crop rotation and harrow backwards. Its not my fault, my vision is going and I have to memorize cards.

>>55045081
That's me. I will always go for alternate arts and a lot of the time they're foil only, which is awesome, because they're usually cheaper than even non-foil regulars. I picked up the promo Stoneforge for the price of a regular Stoneforge.

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>>55045067
Only a couple printed 'walkers are germane to Dominaria though: Liliana, Nicol, Teferi, Freyalise and I think that's it. Masterpiece Series: Legends of Dominaria would have more to cull from (and could probably be stretched for a couple PWs) and be more exciting IMO

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>>55045089
>those skulls at the bottom

Top fucking kek, did you get this altered by a ten-year old?

I am a huge Timmy, how do I make the dragon precon better?

>>55038526
It was just judged as overhyped and as a subject of no interest in goldfishpodcast. Please feel free to choose spergforums of your liking to act as your own anecdotal evidence

>>55044856
>It's not like they can unsee the card.

You make they shuffle if they do that shit.

>>55039954
Jtms, jace unraveler of secrets, dackfayden, daretti, jace telepath unbound, ral zarek, teferi

>>55045937
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>>55045880
Karn, though Karn Liberated is him on Mirrodin.

>>55044625
Theyre real, some chode had a bunch if damaged p9 so he painted ponies on them and tried to ride the meme wave.

>>55044657
The text is like super bold on all of them. They're not necessarily bad but they're different. The other anon might be right about the Graveborn connection.

Commander's Arsenal goes in Fragile Tier as well because I've got great looking Vela and Maelstrom Wanderer but someone else posted that theirs was cloudy and curled.

>>55045910
My friend did it for my birthday.

You realize she lives on the Jund shard, right? A place that is defined by death?