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It's getting pretty fucking gross in the mortal realms.

To the dude asking about Ogres in the last thread: They are a brutal and punishing force if you can get them into melee. Ironguts will utterly crush almost everything they touch and if you have a Butcher backing them up they become real nasty pieces of work.

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I'm an idiot an a newbie so please riddle mi this.
If I pick a unit of orruks with a pair of choppas are they making 2 attacks rather than 1 or it has to be distinctly and unequivocally stated on the unit warscroll that they have more attacks?
English is not my first language so please forgive me this stupid question

>>55010073
it gives them rerolls if they get a 1 to hit. no double attack.

>>55010050
Cool Blightkings, are they yours Anon?

>>55010073
Usually they will have a rule stating if they take a pair they get a benefit of some kind. In this case, they get to re roll hit rolls of 1

>>55010110
no, it's from a golden demon winner. They're featured in a white dwarf that I can't remember.

>>55010114
>>55010103
Okay, thank you guys. I was just unsure if the pair of melee weapons also automatically grants double attack or not

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Is it worth the points to include artillery (WLC as ally, or plagueclaw against hoards) in a 1000 point pestilens army?

>>55010148
Just remember, if something they are equipped with doesn't have a special profile, it will have special rules on the warscroll

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>>55003158
I haven't written a proper narrative for my current focus (Death) just yet, but the summary is.

>Once a kingdom that was stuck in the middle of a war between Chaos worshippers and orruks
>Fought to the last man trying to stop the destruction
>Prayed to Sigmar for aid, but none was sent
>The vast majority of the kingdom's population were massacred for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
>The court wizard studied necromancy in secret and raised the dead to guard what remained of the kingdom.
>At the request of the prince and the few remaining people of the kingdom, the Necromancer reached out to the powers of Death.
>Neferata answered, giving the offer of serving her in exchange for immortality and the power to enact revenge.
>The survivors agreed, being turned into vampires.
>They continued to raise the dead of their kingdom, even after the Chaos worshippers and orruks had long left.
>Driven by a desire to avenge their old kingdom, they build a new one and turn it against the forces of Chaos and Destruction for ruining their home, and Order for ignoring their please in their time of need.

They're going to be my army for a Path to Glory campaign starting this weekend, so hopefully I'll get some fun stories out of that.

>>55010196
Sounds like a solid background for a Death army. Looking forward to any tales you'll tell in the future.

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>>55009828
Actually I was thinking about painting my Nighthaunt stuff with Nihilakh Oxide but with no Lahmian Medium. I will sacrifice them for paint technique testing

>>55009910
Still waiting for Tomb Kings

>>55010223
Thanks, anon.

>>55010460
Don't hold your breath.

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>>55009910
Hey guys, I wanted to get into 40k wargaming and needed some advise. I was going to try and be frugal and get an army of nurgle so i can use it in aos and 40k but i have no idea what to buy. What do?

>>55010854
Just hope that Agricultural snailbro is for both and buy him, because he is the best model from GW in years

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Is this a good way to start Sylvaneth? Are they any good? Any guides for painting out there? Took my gf to GW and she loved the models so trying to get her into the hobby.

>>55010854
start collecting nurgle from triple helix wargames (assuming uk) and the death guard half of dark imperium from eBay. Should be around £80 total and a very tidy start

>>55010854
>>55011054
or the nurgle half of this new aos box game thats coming out soon

>>55011002
>Gf loves Sylvaneth
They are truly the Nids of AoS

>>55011002
buy SC and buy a tree or whatever the fuck they were called, the Sylvaneth wildwood shit You need the forests since abilities use those terrain pieces.

>>55010183
Plagueclaw for hoards, yes. they can devistate 10+ units, preferably with poor saves.

WLC for heroes, but i've never used one, probably not so good in a small game

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My God, this is the ugliest model I ever bought. Don't get me wrong, I like goofy and hideous models - that's why I also bought the orc boyz kits - but these skellies are just terrible. GW truly has come a long way with its models since 2005 I see

>>55011002
You can buy two of those and can't go wrong.

Dryads are a good battleline, that you want to take in units of 20 or 30, and you will be using Treelord Ancients/Treelords a lot. Your average 2000 point army will have 2 or 3 giant trees.

The only part you will waste by buying two of those is the extra Branchwych, and I suppose you could use that for conversion fodder if you so desire.

So I'm thinking about getting my goat on and diving into Beastmen. This is what I've come up with:

Great Bray Shaman (General, Scion of the Dark Gods)
Great Bray Shaman
Beastlord (Herdstone Axe)
2x30 Gors
40 Ungor Raiders
30 Bestigors
2x3 Bullgors (Great Axes)
240 Summoning (Balewind Vortex & Jabberslythe)

>>55011578
Tell me, did you decide to go with Beastmen because of GHB17? I'm asking because 3 players in my LGS decided to start new armies and 2 of them are Beastmen and 1 is Wanderers and we have a new guy starting with nighthaunts. I'm quite suprised how adding the allegiance abilities makes minor factions not only playable but nearly sought-after

Are these "Pitched Battle Profiles" in the Genderal's Handbook the point costs for the units or is this like, pre-made armies?

>>55011998
You mean the points tables? There is no other point cost in aos beside unit cost, battalion cost and terrain cost (only some kinds of terrains cost points). You don't have to pay for weapons, spells etc. So these huge tables are just point values you have to pay for fielding units

Looks like forgeworld finally updated their listing to make more sense with AoS.

Through i'm not sure why the Rogue Idol is not in the Greenskinz listing.

>>55011834
To be fair I've always liked Beastmen, but I can't deny having allegiance abilities gives the crunch and flavour to tip people over.

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>>55011140
>>55011214
cheers guys
might add a few glade guard too

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>>55012117

This is what I mean. Does this mean it costs the same to have 10 gors as it does to have 30 gors?

Also, in AoS... are there no longer "army types"? Like, can I pick ANY units from Chaos, ANY units from Order? Do I have to stick to all Chaos, all Order, or can you mix? To what level can you mix?

>>55011834
Don't know about that anon, but the allegiance abilities have lit a fire under my ass to complete projects I have been buying slowly because I thought they were cool, and are now seeing some support. I've had boxes of pestigors and a beastlord chilling in the closet for years (which I bought because faction was cool/sculpts were awesome), but am now actively scooping boxes of gors, ungors, etc. to flesh them out

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>>55012147
> three models listed for Fimirach
> it's just a bundle of the other two models
REEEEEEE etc, etc...

>>55012156
The only thing you have are Battlelines.. you can go with any of the four Factions, chaos, order, death and destruction, but you can't mix destruction and death for example

>>55012156
It's the cost of every 10 gors. So 10 gors is 80, 20 gors is 160, 30 gors is 240.

>>55012156
You pay 80 points for 10 gors and 80 more points for every 10 more gors so you can end up with a unit of max 30 gors that costs 240 points.
>are there no longer "army types"? Like, can I pick ANY units from Chaos, ANY units from Order?
Yeah, you can pick any Chaos units for your chaos army but you will get more bonuses and stuff if you stick with some keywords. Let's say you want to build a daemons army. Sure you can take khorne, tzeentch and nurgle stuff but there will be nearly no synergy. If you stick with a KHORNE DAEMONS keyword you will get more abilities to use etc.
>To what level can you mix?
As long as you fulfill the minimum number of battleline units it's fine. You can mix 4 clans in your 1000pts skaven army as long as you can also field at least 2 battleline units

>>55012190
yeah why the FUCK don't they just release the Dirach? we have seen the sculpt, and it is all we need to make a viable list. I just imagine those FW tards sitting around prioritizing releases, noting that the fucking fimir warriors/noble just sit there, when people like me are holding off buying more because it seems like we'll never get a fucking HQ (I do realize they probably have exponentially more profitable shit to release, like yet more fucking skull robots for admech and whatever gold fuckers for custodes/SoS)

>>55012244

Is that max 30 gors in the entire army or just that one unit?

>>55012306
that unit

>>55012170
>>55012137
That's what I thought desu. It's heart-warming that everything it's needed to make most of the mini-factions playable is just slapping some fluffy allegiance abilities into GHB. On the other hand we all know that GW will not do it often and that's sad as fuck

>t. Greenskinz aficionado

>>55012309

Awesome.

>>55012244
>>55012236
>>55012235

Thanks again everyone. I'm readin through the rules and the general's book. It definitely seems far more simpler than what I am used to from 40k, and that battles can be over super quick. Just having trouble clarifying some things so every one here has been helpful :)

>>55012269
It's because everyone totally wants that Khorne dragon bro!!! Fucking Christ

>>55012333
yeah my two main AoS projects are beastmen and fucking gitmob grots, so I feel that. I'm not overly concerned with winning competitive tourneys or whatever, as long as I don't scoop bottom of T3/come out on top once in awhile

>>55012355
No problem, read the rules and feel free to ask. I'm playing for two years and I'm still learning something new every day
>>55012393
I'm playing mainly casual games but not gonna lie - the hobby is so much more rewarding if you feel that your dudes will get some update or a new model in future. I'm a skaven player so I can not complain about them but I also started working on greenskinz (I took the discount bait) and at this point they are even more deader than such factions as Nighthaunt or Slaanesh - this fucker was in exile since the AoS launch and somehow his dudes have more GW love than greenskinz. I know that IJ and BS are orruk posterboyz now but c'mon - a battalion or abilities for greenskinz will not hurt anyone

>>55009910
Hey guys, Skaven player here. I want to make up some movement trays but not sure if I should worry about making it a skirmish tray or a regular one. The bottom line is I want to be able to make smart formations out of my unit but don't want to make it so big (to include potential formations such as spearhead and line) that it's ridiculous in size. Anyone have a similar problem and/or can offer insight?

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>>55012519
You want to make a lot of weird shit while pile-in with your rats so better go with something like this

>>55012244
I thought the idea with the points discount was that you only received it if you opt to go with the MAX
Example: Zombies are 60 for each increment of 10 but if you field a 60 model unit you only have to pay 320 as opposed to 360 saving you 40 points.

Is this not how it is?

>>55012367
Apparently they've moved literally all their sculptors but one off of interesting stuff and on to specialist games. Also the diarch was missing a hand.

>>55012190
Literally just did the exact same thing, anon

>>55012589
Oops that wasn't actually what the anon was talking about, but is what I'm saying correct?

>>55012190
Half of me agrees with the loud, froglike sentiment, but the part of me that wants to take the high road is going to do so by saying to myself, "At least this comfirms that they're going to do something with them EVENTUALLY

>>55012269
>>55012632
I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking finishing the Fimir line will ever be a priority, but I've been wanting the damn Balefiend since the stats for it came out with Storm of Magic six years ago. I know it takes a while for model lines to be completed, but then the fucks teased a mostly finished model that was only missing a hand and some finishing touches two years ago and haven't even mentioned it since. I get that they want to focus on what is making money, and I'm not even going to pretend that the Balefiend model will make the Fimir line any more profitable than it is, but this is literally the only thing preventing me from beginning to collect the fuckers.

>>55012849
Same. I'd also like them to make a command set for the normal fimir. It JUST needs to be an extra set of arms

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>>55012867
>>55012849
>>55012765
>>55012632
>>55012269
>>55012190
>all these fimirfags

how do I stop falling for slow melee armies

I love them but they are so bad

>>55012933
You accept your tastes and learn to work around the limitations of the army you fell in love with

unless it's greenskinz

All I want from FW is for them to release some god damn BATTLETOMES for their shit like they did with 40k already

>>55012968
its like every army that has a basic troop with a shield, but no ranged units for some reason

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>>55009910
Soon

>>55009910
Will the Aelfs get more attention soon? Lightsaber-wielding ninja High Aelfs? A firebending Phoenix organization?

>>55013062
That's no true.
Gitmob can get quite formidable shooting if you buff them with the shaman. The only drawback being their short range. Freeguild can get some good shooting as well as Dispossessed.

What was the formula for skirmish point values again? Unit cost/(5*unit size) ?

>>55013119
>slaves to darkness
both battlelines have shields and no ranged attacks in the whole faction outside of javelins on the horses

>deathrattle
no skeleton archers, or any other ranged attacks. Skeletal musketeers would be really cool, but no.

>>55013096
The Phoenix Temple is the scary regenerating/resurrecting faction of order.

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>>55013157
>Deathrattle
>no archers
Umm excuse me?

>>55011210
Because you built them wrong.
If you use Vampire Count Skele Heads, the look awesome and taller than the current VC ones
I make 40 TK skelearchers using TK skeles and VC/AoS death skeleton heads and everyone likes them

>>55013207
they were an old tomb kings kit that is no longer produced or sold, and also the sculpts were really old. I guess they are still technically in the game though?

would anyone object to proxies for units where GW does not sell a kit?

>>55013256
Depends on if you are in a GW or how autistic your opponent is. I have actually encountered a human being who was not a GW employee who threw a shitfit when he found out the other player was using non-Citadel minis

>>55013312
my personal rule is that as long as there is no ambiguity it is ok. I've played against people who used proxies to cheat and it is really annoying

>>55013312
I would use proxies to smoke out the autists so you will later know who to not play against. Most of my Flesh Eater Court is going to be made from proxies.

If you guys had to choose which of the Aelven Factions would get a battletome, which would you choose?

>>55013554
order serpentis

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>>55012849
When FW doesn't give you fimir, eventually you get desperate enough to start trying to make your own...or maybe that's just me

pic related but not mine

>>55012926
Yeah it happens every fucking time someone posts a pic from total war. It's enough to make you think there's a playerbase out there

>>55013554
Wanderers, probably closely seconded by Swifthawk Agents.

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>>55013585
or you buy bizarre one-offs to scratch the itch and use them for rogue stars/nothing

>>55013603
There would be a playerbase if they actually had more than one unit

>>55013656
That's what I was trying, perhaps unsuccessfully, to say

>>55009910
After playing 40k for a while, I've decided to finally pick up some AoS. I skimmed and actually realy liked the Ogre Leadbelchers aesthetic. But I DON'T like the Beastclaw, Yeti aesthetic. Is the whole Beastclaw Raider thing quintessential to Ogres? Because if that's the case, I'd rather just ally in the units I like as Ogre mercenaries in a different army.

>>55013730
Not at all - gutbusters and etc are a viable way to play. You won't win any tournaments or anything but they have shooting and staying power, and more numbers than beastclaw

>>55013767
That's reassuring to know.
I don't suppose I can count on any new gutbuster releases to make the basic Ogre kingdoms more interesting to play? I doubt that Ogres are an army that are very high on the update list.

>>55013579
This. After seeing GHB2 make their battleline cost 20ppm more than the Order Draconis equivalent, I feel they deserve something more

>>55013256
Hell, I use proxies when they're cheaper than what GW offers. I'm running an 11-minotaur Warherd army, 1k pts and Bullgor Stampede. I just use Reaper Mini's Bones minotaurs, $2.50 each.

>>55011210
>picked up the old Brets v. Lizzads starter a while ago
>all of the models look awful
>Bret knights have all snapped plumes and spears
>Saurus are really static and look so different to modern sculpts
>mild regret

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>>55013256
>Mfw GW could spend two days modeling a TK conversion kit in CAD ala Space Marine upgrade style, for people to change their VC skellies into TK skellies
>Mfw GW hates fucking money so bad it's unreal.

>>55014117
Dude, that was like.... 5th edition? 20 years old. Dated models, dated plastic.

>>55013830
Beastclaws were a surprise for everyone.
Nobody expected ogres then (and they popped up), nobody expects ogres now.
I don't know if this should give you hope.

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>>55014783

>>55014783
What annoys me about this is that there isn't anything spectacular about killing a Stormcast since they always come back. It's retarded. It makes any tension just a non issue. Yeah I know that they lose a bit of their soul on each reforging but so far other than becoming literal robots that keep fighting, there hasn't been any negative downside to that shown so these guys are just boring and don't have faults.

>>55014796
>there isn't anything spectacular about killing a Stormcast since they always come back

They can only come back if a Lord-Relictor is able to catch their souls. Without a Lord-Relictor, they're just as vulnerable to death as anyone else.

>>55014856
>>55014815
Today, I am the faggot.

>>55014856
But we haven't seen just how risky that is. Maybe when Nagash/Death finally has some releases we can see that he's fucking up Stormcast hardcore. Right now however they are just too annoying with how seemingly undefeatable they are in any scenario, even WHEN dying.

>>55014815
Except you know, the actual battle. Each SCE death risks losing the battle, which does matter. Those battle can be over cities of innocents, realmgates, stopping a chaos horde, etc. It's not like when they die, they immediately come back. It takes time AND a finite amount of resources to bring them back. Sigmar won't be able to keep up the refogings forever. They are not like daemons.

The SCE have an attitude in battle that is not what you think. It's not like when they die they treat it as respawning in a video game. Because losing that battle is a big deal. They care for every mortal they fight for.

>>55013031
They literally only did that because GW held a gun to their head and forced them too. Forge World is a disorganized rabble of chuckle fucks who are almost pathetically incapable of getting their shit together.

>>55014903
Not to speak ill of the dead, but I heard that since Alan Bligh died, GW has stepped in and took control of the place because of how disorganized it was. Thank goodness honestly, we might finally see some good stuff as a result.

>>55014815
Can female Stormcast get pregnant? What if femcast is captured by slaanesh chaos warriors?

>>55014950
This is the 'are space marines impotent' debate:

WE LITERALLY HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT A QUESTION!

>>55014950
the fanfiction just writes itself eh

>>55014938
Man call a spade a spade. FW already admitted that the HH Legions could have been done literally years ago, but Blight basically got bored and fucked around for YEARS, confident the money from the fan bois would still roll in (spoiler- it did). Even after the abortion that was Inferno, Blight still had his head shoved in the sand. Just GW wasn't about to mess with something that still brought in money... now that might finally change.

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>>55014950
>Be chaos marauder
>entire army is routed and destroyed by sudden Stormcast assault, end up being one of the few survivors
>Femcast catches me, pins me beneath her boot
>She strips my leather armor off, then her own plate
>"I will break you like Sigmar will break Chaos, dog of the ruinous ones"

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>>55010793
Not a problem.

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So are the Phoenix and Black guard still together?

>>55014510
Yeah but the Lizzad shields looked good...

Out of that lot I got some old Dark Elves and Ghouls which I use for Mordheim anyway, so only mild regret. I'll find a use for the lizzads eventually, maybe as statues.

>>55015099
They don't exist anymore.

>>55015043
>strong enemies judged to produce untainted offspring are brought to the breeding camps

>>55014950
>>55015179
>>55015043
>spend massive resources creating an eternal warrior
>have her be out of commission for 9 months

Dumb magical realm is dumb. Mortal women can fill that role just fine.

>>55011170
If I'm against beastclaw, I can see the WLC as helpful at dealing with a thundertusk. Am I better off just spending the points on more monks or stormvermin? What else are WLC good for?

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>>55009910
Hey all you SigNigs, I'm angry right now and want to know how Nurgle and Khorne Daemons are in AoS, especially since I'm the only one who likes 8e 40k in my friend group apparently, I want to swtich over because this game looks like it might be enjoyable compared to the garbage that is 7e.

>>55015759
Nurgle daemons are pretty good (and foolproof). Tad slow, but they're pretty fun. Can't speak for khorne. I personally like 8th ed, and I play dark eldar

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>>55014950

>>55015353
How long does the AoS timeline last anyway? Other factions like Dwarfs & Elves live for centuries.

Wait, are the other Skaven clans getting allegiance abilities? It would really surprise me if Verminus didn't get strength in numbers.

>>55015816
I love 8th edition. I absolutely adore it. Everyone else treats it like the devil and it bothers me to no end. It's an edition where my Posessed and CSM termis aren't absolute garbage! Summoning isn't cheesy and so I like it because previously I hated summoning with all my heart, because free units angered me. It just wasn't fair or fun. 8th fixes all my problems, but no one will play it so might as well start over in Sigmar since Fantasy's dead, which killed my interest in the skeleton dudes because apparently that one cool Khorne general turned skeleton general isn't in AoS anymore and apparently was a huge jobber, which saddens me.

>>55015856
hundreds of years at least

>>55015964
Krell is still usable. He's just a wight king with black axe with an extra attack, 3+ save instead of 4+ and +1 to hit when attacking heroes.

Are there any pdfs of the grand alliance books?

>>55016040
No since most of them are literally just the warscrolls they have for free on the GW website, but in a book
So in that sense, yes, they're available for free on the GW website

>General's Handbook pdf too large for mobile
>open in app only
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55015759
Khorne kicks butt.

Is anyone else disappointed those rumor mill posts from months ago ended up being Nurgle shit? I really thought it would be sea elves, or some kind of nautical themed army.
I want sea elves.

>>55016157
So you're hungering for a big load of elf seamen?

>>55014903
There's like under a dozen dedicated FW employees right?

>>55016186
Probably. I do hope that they manage to whip that studio into shape soon

>>55016157
No, because Nurgle shit is great.

>>55016157
>He think GW will release 2 new factions in 1 year.

>>55016181
the biggest load I can get
but seriously elves suck dick and are financially unviable. I hope they make some kind of elf triumvirate codex soon, that would be cool.

>>55016157
There's still a few not accounted for that point to potential pointy-ear fruitiness, like the little hand dragon thing
>inb4 stormchad shoop

>>55016227
dark elf pirates are already a thing though, more of that would have been swell.

>>55016227
Ironjawz, syvaneth, fyreslayers, and everchosen were all in one year

>>55016023
Is he in the new GH?

>>55016244
IMO they need like, 3 more kits to round them out. either a shitter or better footslogger troop, a captain riding something impressive, and some kind of hero

>>55016263
The wight king will be 100%, and Krell himself will be in a PDF soonish. Kreell will 100% be more expensive though since it's a straight upgrade. Oh, but if you DO use krell, you can't pick special artifacts, command traits, or whatever for him

>>55014950
The baby would probably be fried to death before the second semester.

I can't find nurgling rules on the GW site

And do I need the GHB if I want to play Skirmish?

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>>55016575

You do if you want to use any Command Trait or Artefact not listed in the Skirmish book.

>>55016611
That looks really good anon! Nice!

>>55016619
But I don't really need to? I'm fine with that then, since the GHB in the Mega is too large to download without the app and I don't want to download that.

Does anyone think there will be allegiance abilities for the "Skaven" Keyword or do you think there will only ones for the specific clans?

What's a good starting force for Free Guild?

>>55015759
bloodletters in aos are what bloodletters in 40k aspire to be.

same with the thirsters to actually, cause wounds dont spill over in 40k for whatever reason.

>>55016777
Nice trips, but idk man, I can wait to see what GH2 brings. Friend bought the warlords edition

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>>55016611
The finished product (cleaned up the runes a bit)

>>55016777
We've already seen that only pestilens and skryre are getting them in GH2017

so has anyone seen a good color scheme for a LoC that doesn't involve blue?

I was thinking of making my LoC more raven-like with some brighter colors here or there

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>>55016777
Only pestilens and skryre

Do the Tzaangors from 40K work for AoS also, if not kitted with chainsword/pistol?

>>55016880
Yes.

Nigga, we got tzaangors before 40k even knew what they were.

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How's my troglodon guys?

>>55016880
The tzaagors in 40k are LITERALLY an AoS model that someone said "Oh! We can sell these for 40k too if we add a gun and chainsword!" so they decided to add those in as an afterthought and sell them with the 1K sons release as shit tier chaos jobbers to fill out an army and be meatshields

>>55016914
looks a tad glossy

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>>55016940
Yeah, I like the shine though. Ignore the FW bloodthirster trapped in the box underneath. Here's one of my Carnosaurs, need to add blood to him.

>>55016908
>>55016930
Oh, nice. I have a squad of Tzaangors from when I picked up a tiny TSon army. They're a great model. What else would I need with them for AoS?

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>>55016908
>before 40k even know what they were
tzaangors go way back to RT

>>55016997
I'd suggest toning down the shine to add more contrast to the model. The base especially on the troglodon looks... Well, It's not a good look I'll say that much

>>55017013
Whatever tzeench/chaos shit you want. Like I said, the Tzaagor box was designed as AoS first and the guns were put in as an afterthought. I mean, even on GW's site they show that ALL the guns AND chainswords are on their own sprue

>>55017031
Sure, I might in the future but like I said I am a big fan of it. Appreciate the feedback though

>>55017073
The thing is, the contrast will help the glossy areas to "Pop" more

>>55017045
Any chaos? How effective would a Tzeentch/Slaanesh army be? And are Flamers effective?

>>55017159
ANY chaos.

>>55016821
Maybe add some spooky bright green to it.

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>>55017100
How's it look in different lighting, I think the light in my room may have been catching it a bit much.

>>55017464
The base still needs work

>>55017673
Yeah it's not done yet, gonna be adding gore and venom along with drybrushing something to take away from the green. However the model isn't too glossy.

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I don't know how may area interested in this, but in the previous thread some Anons rolled up the realm I was going to base a map in, along with what grand alliance that were the most active in the region.
The result of this was:
>Realm of Beast (Ghur)
>Grand Alliance Chaos

So I made the map, and there were interest in letting you guys flesh out and give fluff to the areas that I had named. If people are still up for it, then feel free and give the map some life.

>>55017683
It could use some dirt. Like, sand on the base and shit. Right now it looks kinda like just sewage

>>55017464
Maybe some of the new Creeping vines could make the ground look more like a jungle?

Does anyone have a pic of both sides of the dark elf fleetmaster sprue or assembly instructions? Hell I'd even just settle for a pic of one half completed. I'm thinking of using one as a base for a conversion but I need to see how the body comes together.

>>55016804
>Wounds don't spill over

It's a balance issue, due to the large number of high-danage weapons.

A lascannon being able to kill d6 models a turn would be ridiculous. A battle cannon would kill d6d3 models. Powerfists would be better than lighting claws at killing hordes.

Non-spilling over wounds allows anti-tank weapons to specialize in anti-tank without overshawdowing the anti-infantry weapons.

>>55017825
The Maw of Aaqushy definitely hosts a small realm gate in its center.

Below the Oozing Wound Crater is a base of clan pestilens who dug a very small hole into the basin to sap the delicious green liquid for all kinds of shenanigans.

>>55017825

What program do you use for that?

>>55018169
There should be Firebellies around the Maw of Aqshy. They feast there so they are closer to where they feel at home.

>>55018196
inkarnate

>>55016802
the new WotGC: Hammerhal box if you don't mind some StormBros allies
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2329

if you build the Celestial Hurricanum as a Luminark, then you can afford an extra Order wizard to cast Mystic Shield or whatever their unique spell is. The new 4 Wizard Collegiate Arcane Allies box might be overkill but has great bits for conversions (flaming swords & so on) here;

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Collegiate-Arcane-Mystic-Battle-Wizards

& here's a great & points-efficient (hammer & shield!) centerpiece kit that can paint up real nice;

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/General-of-the-Empire-on-Imperial-Griffon

Also, is the Skaven-anon buying the Spire of Dawn still following the thread???

>>55015537
either triple WLC or 120 plague monks Beastclaw faggots need to be put in their place.

>>55017825
The humans should all look a lot like canadian woodchucks, large, muscular and hairy. Yes even the women.
Dresscode is mostly anything leather, but the richer ones in the city still try to look as pompous as possible. Long fancy and twirly beards are a sign of nobility.

Any dorf rules yet

>>55018299
Or alternatively neo-kislev

>>55017464

why the fuck is your model so off-center from the base?

>>55013233
It's a snap-fit model m8o

>>55017825

>The Lake of Solitude

Many tales have been told of this foreboding Lake. Tales of strange Creatures with only one eye, with some accounts of them being shrouded by mist. None of the residents in the area can recount when the Lake appeared, though it was seemingly overnight.

The inhabitants of Liten used to use the Lake as a means of sustenance until the waters of that foul Lake tainted the minds of those whom drank the murky water. Those whose minds were shattered by the waters found themselves in an ever-lasting lust, never again satisfied by the things they once loved most.

Some say on particularly dark nights, one can see the men of the village dragging their women off towards the lake, as an offer to whatever cyclopian beasts reside there.

>>55013256
I use skeleton archers. I cut swords off hands, drilled a hole and added a bent flower wire rod. Now the skeleton has a bow.

>>55013388
That just makes you look like a tightass.

Two starmaces in a squad of 5 retributors, or 1? 2D3 mortal wounds sounds good, but if you take 4 hammers (including champion), and boost it with lord celestant's command ability, your hammers spark on 5+ now, so it's roughly 3 hits on 5+ from 9 attacks, resulting in 6 mortal wounds, which is better.

>>55015353
You assume that magical lightning-powered armor people would have human gestation periods, and be similarly out of commission. You simply have not magical realm'd hard enough, sir/madam.

>>55019749
Maces are more consistent.
What happens when buff Lord is sniped/ minus one to hit effects come into play/ What have you?

>>55019749
Always max out Starmaces on Retributors, always leave them at home for Decimators and Protectors.
Starmaces are just unconditional damage. No buffs needed, no debuffs feared.

>>55010196
Solid, would love to see the finished army

>>55018216
>Implying you don't want the celesial hurricanum for a kickass gunline.

In addition to three solid bricks of skeleton with archer support, what more should I get for Deathrattle? Allying in a unit of blood knights and vargheists seem like a good idea, but how are tk horsemen vs black knights? Worse save, a little less dmg for less points? What do you think? And can a single wraith be any good? Except holding objectives in certain missions? I do love the model.

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So are the Freeguild still shitty in the fluff and need the Stormcast to baby sit them?

>>55019749
If you use Vandus Hammerhand with his free attack buff, leave the maces at home. If you don't, the maces have the higher minimum and average damage in exchange for lower maximum damage.

>>55020419
>every thread until you like it

How does Your Dudes work for AoS?
How would one explain two armies from the same order fighting eachother? The same faction? (Stormcast versus Sylvaneth) (Stormcast versus Stormcast) for example.

Whered this giant freeguild boner come from

>>55020968
You explain it that it's your army vs your friends

>>55020970
It's always been there actually, people are fucking sick of Stormcast

>>55020968
SC vs SC is easy, they have the Gladiatorium. As for SC vs Sylv...Sylvaneth aren't friends with anyone, they simply fight against chaos along some others. It's especially easy to imagine some wood dudes taking offense to humans or dwarves cutting trees to raise new cities after chaos was pushed back in places.

>>55020419
I dunno, I can't stand reading the fluff, so I just make up my own stories.

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>>55010047
Gee, I wonder...

>>55020419
To be fair, the only novels we have involving them were made to coincide with their enemies releases. City of Secrets came out to coincide with the Tzeentch Arcanites release, not to show off the freeguild.

>>55020419
Yes.

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>thrift stores start selling the halloween-themed shit already
>ceramic mushrooms, pumpkin and skulls everywhere
Fuckin yes. They are perfect ready-to-use terrains for a death army

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mfw third dwarf release is chaos dwarves and is before elves get a release

Nobody cares about elfs

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something interesting for freeguild fags today
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/23/reeces-freeguildgw-homepage-post-3/

>>55021318
I don't either, but I'd rather have elves than more Stormcast

>>55021318
I care about the average guy. AoS has a severe lack of the average guy.

>>55019972
Disagree

Starsouls can be useful on Protectors. The main feature of Protectors is reducing enemy shooting rolls by 1. Their glaives do mediocre damage, even against monsters, and starsouls help mitigate that by turning them into an actual threat. I always run 2 Starsouls with Protectors in my Aetherstrike lists.

Decimators are a great tool for fighting hordes of 20+ model units but you don't always fight such large units. Bringing 1-2 Starsouls in Decimators gives them some utility when not in ideal situations, and is probably better for an all-around tournament list. If you bring Decimators expecting to play against hordes but end up against beastclaw then you'll be upset you didn't bring Starsoul maces.

On Retributors the starsoul maces are generally better because they are more reliable. However, if you have a +1 hit buff the regular maces tend to do very well. If you have a Lord-Celestant as your general and you can consistently get in range of his command ability then you should consider taking the regular maces instead.

>>55020990
Cool

>>55021280
Well napoleon was a dwarf

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Alabama Aelves with shotguns confirmed
>>55021489
He was 1,70cm - he was taller than 2/3 of people in his times

>>55021508
1,70m*

>>55021489
That's just a popular myth. The contemporary version of refering to the current American President as Drumpf.

>>55021328
>free people ignoring all battleshock
>or +1 to save

Those are really good bonuses

>>55017464
There are so many gross things about this pic I cannot stand it. Somebody call an exorcist or something, please.

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Why does Forge World discontinue all their good shit?

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>>55015043
>she turns you on your stomach and starts undoing her pants

>>55021593
Most of the stuff Forgeworld does is a form of limited edition. Resin also wears out the molds faster than metal ever did.

Hey there! Is your social life as dead as your game? Are you bored out of your mind? Do you, too, want to complain about GW or anything else*? No? Neither do I, so why not join this Discord centered around /tg/. https://discord.gg/GBcypkT

>>55021633
Those moulds are also way cheaper to remake than the metal moulds you use for injection moulding.

>>55021508
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>>55021633
I think it's more a case of them being lazy hacks

>>55021652
>>55021879
Nah, I think it's because Forge World does not mass produce and they have a limited storage. So something has to go when they introduce new miniatures.

If you miss out on a specific run of miniatures, that's your problem.

>>55018234
This is 1000 points.

>>55021915
I'm sorry but I gotta disagree, FW has shown themselves to be incompetent time and time again

>>55021915
FW miniature quality and sculpt is getting so much worse while GW models are looking better with every release. I'm quite suprised that people are still buying FW stuff

>>55021508
I want to get excited and say Freeguild, but since they're getting allegiance abilities in GHB17, I'm guessing that's not for them.

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>>55021508
if this is a sigmarine with a gun im fucking done with this game

>>55016863
Is that really all the love destruction are getting? I'd hoped for a little foot slogging ogre love.

>>55022005
It's not even stylized as xbow mate. That's a 40k stuff

>>55021934
In what manner?

>>55021948
I disagree. They did great work on the plastic Horus Heresy kits.

>>55021593
I missed this model for a few weeks.
It's a shame. I don't like most of the FW stuff but this was pretty cool.

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>>55021508

>>55022209
We need an album with all these shops

>>55022144
Well the nurgle daemon prince has been having its mold cleaned since November. And plague hulk got axed outta nowhere

>>55011214
>The only part you will waste by buying two of those is the extra Branchwych

I dunno, use one as intended and sit the other one on top of a bale wind vortex.

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Any skavenbros in here? Need some help deciding on a list. Each is 20 points less than displayed.

>>55022266
Sounds like they could need more staff then.

>>55022144
Plastic Horus Heresy was GW. FW HH ranges from dog shit to good, and a lot of their legion specific stuff is annoying because of how unfitting they are for the specific legion. For example Iron warriors torsos looking nothing like Iron Warriors should look

>A Blood Tithe point is generated each time a unit belonging to either player is wiped out – Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows!

So on a scale of 1 to Matt Ward how salty will my opponents be if my units are generally low numbers?

>>55022311
just roll d3

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hello, I'm starting to want to get into AoS, isn't this one of the best value packs from GW in recent years? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Age-of-Sigmar-Spire-of-Dawn-ENG

>>55022404
Nah, FW was responsible for the sculpting and design.

>>55022499
Holy shit yes, pretty much all the boxes for AoS are massive bargains because GW seem to be trying real hard to pull people into it after the weak release and negative feedback from the End Times.

>>55022499
>Buy this box for 200PLN
>Sell square bases for 40
>Sell aelves part for 90
>Nearly ~720 points of rats cost me less than a single box of clanrats

Do we know the price for the Blightwars box yet?

>>55022499
Also note that SoD aelves army is not really good but with new allies rules you can pick some better units without breaking the swifthawk agents allegiance. Still, they are fun to play with and against them - they are great for hit-and-run playstyle

Did anyone see the Sylvaneth vs Seraphon game on WarhammerTV this week?

Any idea what the lists/results were?

>>55022530
can they be used in AoS?

Also, I have some models from Wood elves, goblins, dwarfs, some chaos and Tomb kings from WHFB 7e when I played, most special units where stolen but I still have some driads, wood elves archers, goblin pikemen,a couple goblins champions, normal dwarfs and tons of skeleton archers, pikemen, cavalry and cars, also a couple of slanesh deamons (I belive 10 demonettes and 1 mounted on horror) and some human chaos knights. Are square bases ok to use? can I salvage some of these models from 2005?

I also got this pimping limited edition italian chaos wizard riding on a tzeench disk called Stregone del caos.

>>55022742
>stolen
You've got me curious now. Elaborate.
>1 mounted on horror
Please tell me you mean seeker, and you didn't convert this thing to be fucking a pink horror

>>55021915
>So something has to go when they introduce new miniatures.
>introduce new miniatures.
That's an interesting way of describing space marine helmets and shoulderpads.

>>55022761
yes, its an old metal seeker model, I didn't remember the name, and the story about the stole goods is not that grate, I worked on a shop where I left my minis as exposition pieces, had to stop going to work for a week, next time I went the shop was no more and my models were gone, the owner doesn't answer the phone and I lost a unit of black orks, an ogre mercenary with cathay longsword, a tomb kings scorpion, several units of goblins and dwarfs, 1 dwarf girocopter, 3 dwarf cannons, 1 troll unit, and several characters from both factions. I believe They also took a wood elves dragon and some scenery. That happened like 6 years ago.

>>55022834
They would have to be idiots to not produce wares where there is a demand.

>>55022427
the salt level will be "underseasoned"

small unites of bloodreavers with no support cant really do anything and are not a threat

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>>55021508
It's a Goliath Twin linked Heavy Stubber.

>>55023024
You mean goliathcast?

>>55023056
>Goliathcast Swoleternals.

>>55022742
>Are square bases ok to use?
Yes, most people don't care. There's a forced meme on /aosg/ that square bases are the devil incarnate, but in actuality there's very little gameplay difference, if any at all.

>>55023132
>there's very little gameplay difference, if any at all
It is, if you are playing with a horde army like skaven. Try to run 80 clanrats on 20mm squares instead of 25mm rounds and you will see it

>>55021328
So is the battleshock immunity bubble and the counter-charge/shoot ability worth having to choose between a Hurricanum or artillery.

>>55023155
if you ran them on 25mm squares instead of 20mm it wouldn't be much different than rounds

but since 1" is 25mm, running 20mm squares allows your second rank to attack when they otherwise would be out of range. If your legacy army had it, fine, but to buy new models and put them on squares is modeling for advantage

>>55023194
Yeah, this. I'm fine with veterans and their old armies on squares but what's the point of using squares for new army? Most new aos stuff comes with round bases tho

are there any rules for AoS mordheim like games?

>>55023254
Yeah, it's called skirmish - look in the OP

>>55021508
Ork twin-shoota or Necromunda heavy

>>55021442
I can see what you mean, but I strongly disagree on basically all accounts, especially on the Decimator side. If Decimators engage anything worth using a Starsoul Mace on the situation is already fucked and even with the maces they'll not make it out of that situation in any reasonable shape.
As for Protectors, if you run them solo I can see where you're coming from, but I nearly always have them behind some other unit in a way that makes use of their 3" glaives, where the mace is strictly worthless.
As for Retributors, their Lightning Hammers only really pull even in terms of mortal wounds when you have Vandus and a Lord-Celestant butt them with their command abilities, which is a fairly enormous investment.

Got a link for the points leak?

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>love how a unit looks
>they're bad

so, I'm trying to understand the rules, is there no limit to warscrolls I can take? how can two armies be balanced between them?

>>55023959
units cost points. each person makes an army with the same points total. Points for units are found in the general's handbook.

>>55023959
In the basic rules (open play), there's no real limit, but if your opponent puts down a certain amount more models than you then you get some extra rules for victory.

In matched play, it's more limited and balanced. Pick up the General's Handbook for the extra rules involved there (see link in OP to download it).

>>55023602
If you can get 5 decimators against a horde in every round of combat then you shouldnt bring Starsouls... but if you play real games in a tournament setting you'll see that's almost never the case. Decimators will always get stuck fighting something else.

If you have the ability to use choose equipment before the game starts then it's not even an issue, but most tournaments require stating equipment when you submit your list.

Especially for Protectors... glaives suck. Starsouls are a straight upgrade. The only time I would run 5 glaives is in a hammerstrike/celestial vindicators list with a lord celestant nearby to give them +1 to hit.

>>55024060
>>55023602
I think what both of you are missing is the fact that nobody ever brings Decimators or Protectors. They're both shit.

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>>55022209

Just picked up King Vlagorescu's Ghoulish Host. How do I make it competitive? Do I build it as the box suggests? What do I add to it?

>>55024095
Neither are shit

Decimators are the best anti-horde tool available for stormcast, and they should see a lot of play in the new meta

Protectors are a lynchpin in Aetherstrike and Celestial Vindicators, which are the two best lists right now.

>>55024095

I take protectors all the time, the -1 to hit fucks over the Raptor and Skyfire mortal wound BS

The 3" reach of glaives means that they get a ton of attacks, and Starsouls are always good.

Retributors are too limited, a -1 to hit renders them useless and the 1" reach of their hammers means you're often never even getting them to attack. They're also more expensive.

Decimators are too situational to be reliable.

Protectors are the best paladins by far.

>>55024176
If you dont have a +1 hit buff and some way to drop them into play then you should not be bringing Retributors

Protectors have really poor damage, but their -1 hit debuff is insanely good. It gets even better when you have two lines of Protectors with artillery units like Longstrikes behind them.

>>55024152
>>55024176
>>55024176
>>55024265
>Stormcast have no weaknesses and have answers/units for everything
Gas the stormkikes race war now

>>55024139
You'll need at least two more units of ghouls, each around 20 models. Another three horrors wouldn't be terrible, either.

>>55024462
Do we know if FEC were in those point leaks from GHB17?

>>55024494
yes

>>55024044
>>55024049
Thanks, does the general's handbook rules affect skirmish or those are their own rules? Because I seem to miss if they state you can only pick a limited number of warscrolls.

>>55024095
I actually prefer Protectors over Retributors. I can hide them behind Liberators that are under the effect of Warding Lantern and Stalwart Defender to protect the gunline behind them and to stab over them. A 3+ and -1 to hit blunts ranged damage and melee troops will have a tough time chewing through the 2+ rerollable Liberators to get to them, especially with the glaives and crossbows shredding the enemy.
If I wanted Retributors, I might as well shell out for Concussors, who are better at that job.

>>55024502
Where can I find them?

>>55024518
It's a few pages, man. At least try.

>>55024553
By opening your eyes and going over the last few threads.
Any more spoonfeeding you need doing?

>>55018216
It's me, tha Skaven-anon, what is it?

>>55024553
Previous threads - I'm not a FEC player so I didn't save them

>>55022427
Take big units with slaughterpriests and just sacrifice a few models for more blood tithe points.

>>55014815
There's one in the audio dramas. He hasn't got any lines but it's said that he doesn't remember anything but how to swing his weapon and Sigmar's name.

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I wish pestilens was good as its own army :(

I have an option to buy 100 IoB/SoD clanrats on square bases for 75$ or 56 for 35$, are those good offers, which one is better?

>>55024331
remember the good old days when everyone said SC was balanced because they were slow and didn't have great ranged weapons?

too funny.

>>55013256
I use sister of avalorn bows, it grabs you 20 per box. Then just whatever skelles i have

>>55024936
Honestly, will you ever use 100 clanrats? Even in 2k pts games I'm using max 80 of them

>>55025046
That's kind of a weird answer. You yourself say that you use up to 80 of them... Either he buys 56 and is capped at that, or he buys 100 and can offload the extras he doesn't use.

Or hoard them in a box somewhere like the rest of us.

So if you had to rank the skaven clans, how would you? I can't decide between a spire of dawn or pestilens start collecting.

>hammerstrike is 180
>celestial vindicators is 220
>400 points to run that battalion

R.I.P. stormcast chambers

>>55025271
All formations went way up, when they only needed nerf a few...

>>55025134
>skryre
>pestilens and verminous are equal (but pestilens is getting allegiance abilities)
Everything else should be used as allies or just thrown into a general skaven force like in SoD

>>55025134
If you want to buy SoD you will have to buy SC Pestilens soon for bell and cannon

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Does some kind spaniard anon have the spanish books of Skirmish and General's Handbook?

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>>55025271
>mfw I never run any battalions with my SCE

>>55025487
What, English not good enough for you?
More seriously, the GHBII will only come out this Saturday, so no chance on that. For the old GHB and Skirmish you'll probably have better chances with an actual Spanish forum or something.
I mean, I am German and I just use the english stuff for convenience's sake.

>>55025657
totally, I just need to give it to some teenagers friends of mine that want to get into the game, no matter how much I insist they should practice their english they are lazy shits.

>>55023254
There is Skirmish, as the other anon pointed out. There's also a Mordheim: Age of Sigmar homebrew you can google for, but good luck getting people to agree to it.

>>55025657
>I am German and I just use the english stuff for convenience's sake.
Jesus, remember playing Pokemon Blau on my GBC as a kid Schläsinger here. My kindergarten pals were sometimes pretty irritated while talking about pokemon with me - I didn't know most of the english mon's names and friends had no idea what the fuck is the glutexo I'm talking about

>>55025816
I know about the skirmish rules in spanish, I would like to not pay 8 euros just so they can decide if they like the game or not. If someone already bit the bullet and is kind enough to post it I would be very thankful.

>>55025830
>Glutexo
Fucking hell, man, blast from the past. I haven't even thought about the german pokemon names in, like, well over fifteen years.
Obviously, Bisasam masterrace here.

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>>55025931
>Bisasam masterrace here
Great taste Anon

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>>55024816
But they are, ya big silly. The corruptor on its own may not be as good as the other verminlords, but the real strength of pestilens comes from all the buffs and debuffs:

-Icon of pestilence
>roll a d6 whenever a monk dies. On a 6 the killer takes a mortal wound
-frenzied assault
>monks get an extra attack on the charge (3 attacks with rerolled hits if double blades)
-wither
>add 1 to wound rolls against target unit
-rabid fever
>if monk from target unit is killed, it piles in and attacks first
-bless with filth
>rerolled wound rolls for a friendly unit
-Gouge tear their eyes!
>add one to attacks characteristic of target unit.

You can stack this shit anon.

>>55026039
But you've lost your clawpack which gave double damage on wound rolls of 6+

>>55026039
But woe staves and blades are better than double blades.

>>55026091
Compendium stuff is still in the game, you silly goose. GW said they'd release a pdf for all the compendium shit seperatly.
You can count on Clawbacks dubling in cost, too.

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>>55026454
>tfw it's 200 points
I'm honestly really curious as to how people will build armies this edition. Will they still use formations or will they just use the points for more troops

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>>55026521
Fuck battalions has always been my creed, so I know how I'm building. Most of them are cancer anyway.