EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54986794
>tfw if the Quicksilver ruling really goes through Kuro and Pestilence Demon both become shit again
LET ME PLAY WITH JANK WIZARDS FFS

>thread question
There's a huge hateboner for GAAIV on my LGS because one of the owners has a very unfun stax list with him.

>>54986794
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?

That Josh doesn't ever attack anyone ever and that he wants to play like how blue plays but refuses to play blue.

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Life is fun for Iname.

>>54986794
Alright, since you clearly have autism and have some weird boner for making OPs, let me give you a couple tips.

>1) Choose an interesting question.
This is harder than it sounds, you're going to want to pick something that everyone wants to reply to, or that could generate positive discussion. I usually choose something thematic with the edition, and that requires an in depth response. Asking a one sentance question about group memes is stupid, no one really cares, but asking who everyone's favorite beater is, or a time a rube goldberg combo actually worked tends to solicit good discussion. The best discussion comes from getting people to talk about their decks or colour preferences.

>Edition
Pick a good edition title. Something short, something sweet, and something to the point. If you can make it relate to the thread question, cool. If you can also make it relate to something that was discussed in the previous thread, double cool. You've already started putting actual magic cards as your OP image, which helps people find this general.

>Bump Limit
Make it at exactly 315 posts. If you make it early, you're an attention whoring fag, like you were last thread. If someone else does it, accept that they're just petty silly people with no life.

There you go, now people might not think you discord fags are giant fags, just regular fags.

>>54986794
My commanders, probably. My friends don't run joke commanders. Neither do I, but I'm much more willing to run trash.

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>>54986794
Samut is the current meme in my group.

>>54986848
So does Mairsil only have the activated abilities while he's on the battlefield? Or are they present in any zone he's in? Pic related

>>54986794
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?
>tfw everyone but me has an animar deck
its a hard meta to be orzhov

>>54986935
Only on the battlefield.

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I just got 160$ in store credit. I'm brewing a MonoW Cat/Equipment deck for when the new precons are out. Any suggestions on monowhite staples and Equipment that I should get? I already own all the Mirrodin Swords and the usual goodies like Skullclamp and Greaves.

>>54986997
Scroll Rack, Land Tax, Tithe, Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Memory Jar, Steelshaper's Gift, Stoneforge Mystic, and Sun Titan are all good staples for smoothing out the issues with Mono-W

>>54986997
Landtax?

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What cards would you be able to successfully wish for, /edhg/?

>>54986997
8.5 is a fox, but it's in flavor and good for protecting your stuff.

>>54986997
I'm assuming Balan? Worldslayer and Darksteel Plate, Stonehewer and Stoneforge, Sigarda's Aid.

>>54987067
Stop posting you CaC shit here. There is a containment thread for you.

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Anyone have experience with the blood mage himself?

>>54986936
Edict them to hell and beyond

>>54986997
>monowhite staples
Armageddon
Ravages of War
also its going to be important to protect your boardstate
ghostway
teferi's senior moment
second sunrise
faith's reward
Eerie Interlude

>>54987081
It's not mine. I thought it was a fun thought exercise.

It isn't until you stop and think about it that you realize how few cards you know both the artist and flavor text for.

>>54986936
Innocent Blood them over and over again.

>>54987083
apparently its a good mono black swampstuff matters deck
Ive personally never played against a good one but if you go on youtube some people swear by him for 75% tables

>>54987132
may as well just wrath of god

>>54987083
Double value from every single target removal, is also fun with Horobi.

>>54987110
This thread is not for CaC's, so stop posting them. You can ask whatever you want without posting them.

>>54987152
Blood costs a single B, Wrath has a CMC of 4.

>>54987157
Do you get angry when people post reaction images?

>>54987167
yeah but in an animar deck its not like they wont have more than one creature out on any turn other than turn 2/3 or right after a wrath

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>>54987157
>You can ask whatever you want without posting them
oh shit its the cyber police! Protect the Lolis!

>>54987067
>>54987081
>>54987110
>>54987157
>>54987173
I actually made that custom card. Can we not have some dumb argument? I can already tell this is gearing up to one.

>>54987157
You have to know that not responding would end things faster.

>>54987173
You have to know you're goading >>54987157

So, both of you being aware this is going to go nowhere productive, wouldn't it just be possible to stop right now?

>>54987173
I'm not angry, I'm disgusted.

>>54987194
Reaction images are fine, as long as you are not avatarfagging.

>>54987202
This is why we have multiple mtg threads. To prevent stuff like this from happening.

>>54987132
Gross

>>54987210
Of anything that could come out of the custom card threads, some silly uncard really seems like probably the tamest possibility.

>>54987132
>tutor for Tajuru Preserver
>laughs in green

>>54987203
literally nobody asked you or cares what you think
holy shit
could you be more of a fag

>>54987083
I played and loved him in French about a year back, but the paper meta around me died and I have no intention of playing online. Not sure if he's better or worse now that life totals have changed, or with the online banlist.

>>54987281
I mean, technically, >>54987173 did ask him a question. You're probably right that nobody cares though.

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>tfw they dont make good art anymore

>>54987391
>TFW when my nostalgia goggles doesn't work on the newer art
FTFY

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Help me out with my vamp tribal, /tg/.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/eddies-party/

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>>54987419
>muh nostalgia goggles
yeah because sharp edges and shitty proportions make for better art
neck yourself

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>>54987391
Bitch don't make me topple you.

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>>54987391
Yeah man, I miss it.

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>>54987675
bring back the mechs!

>>54987391
>>54987675
What kind of hallucinogenic drug are you snorting to think this is good art, and can I have some? I could really use some self confidence when I'm looking at my own shitty doodles.

>>54986794
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?
It's not a specific commander, but rather the entire reanimator archetype. We all have one, we often play them all at the same time, and it usually ends up being a hilarious clusterfuck of Wraths and Rises everywhere

>>54987721
>small brain nigga detected

>>54987721
I think they are being sarcastic. That volcano looks like it came straight from an old DC comic, or screencapped from an old TV show.

>>54987562
I love topplegeist. To me his flavor will always be "Fuck this candle"

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>Go over to a friends house last night to watch the new GoT episode with them (I don't watch it, I was mostly there just to hang out with them and make Blue Eyes White Dragon jokes)
>Brought a few Commander decks with me because I proposed the idea of coming over to my place and playing the C17 decks out-of-box this weekend
>One friend is familiar with Commander but hasn't played in a while
>The other two are super big into Hearthstone and have little to no familiarity with MtG
>Game is progressing at a snails pace because of having to explain combat, how tapping works, keyword abilities ("Haste works like Charge", etc) and card combos
>Constant remarks on stuff like "Dude lands are fuckin dumb" and "I like Hearthstone better because how automated everything is"
>By turn 6 everyone decides to scoop because it was getting late, one had to catch a train home, and the others wanted to watch the new Rick and Morty episode

One of the Hearthstone dudes was catching on at least, like he was getting the basics and beginning to see card interactions (Like Horizon Chimera and having the Monarch token, or Rashmi+Paradox Engine+Rocks) but I doubt that sold them on MtG compared to how much they ride their dicks on Hearthstone.

I just wanna play with the friends I've known since 5th grade and not just the guys I barely know at my LGS.

>>54987923
Mtg's greatest strength over Hearthstone is janky combos and interesting interactions, so definitely try to show them more of that. Don't make aggro or midrange decks because those are too similar.

>>54987923
gas the normies

>>54987979
this is the commander thread, you guys are the normies

>>54986794
Kemba in my local meta

>>54986892
Bump limit is 310. Thanks for the laugh.

Building mimeoplasm infect with combos such as Blighted Agent + Deaths Shadow, or Spinebiter + Phyrexian Dreadnought. Is this considered a shitty thing to do in most metas? I know infect is pretty widely hated at least, not sure if a novel approach to it will lessen that

>>54987083
I have a list I've been refining for some time. I can link the list just given general pitfalls with the deck or strats to keep in mind.

>>54987984
>Hearthstpne
>Rick and Morty

Sure, we are the normies, not those guys.

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>>54988097
I didnt say they werent.

>>54987923
Fuck normies.

>>54987083

Here's the list from >>54988086

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/toshi-comin-fo-dat-tooshie/

Description says general things to keep in mind but if you have specific questions about what I've found or why I removed a card feel free to ask.

>>54987984
>y..you guys are the normies
>let me go netdeck my next modern deck
>picklerick is totally esoteric dude

>>54988201
>there arent online resources for commander
really?

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>>54986794
>you will never get to see Kuro's pit

>>54988221
That's not even remotely what he said and if you're trying to imply that standard and modern have archetypes with much more identical decklists than builds in commander then you are wrong.

>>54988249
>don't have
Fixt

>>54988249
Hes saying normies netdeck

>>54986892
Not OP. How long do you have to of been browsing before it becomes your responsibility to make the thread? how autisic do you need to be to qualify

>>54986794
>Thread Question:
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?
Our biggest meme is we have a "new" player who has been playing since april and he always tries to take shit back. I've been telling hime since may that he has to stop and won't let him. Took the restof the group a while to get on board. Now we just make fun of him when he does it and will "take back plays" that fuck him really hard.

That and 10 or 7 card start.

>>54988221
>using magiccards.info/edhrec is the same as copy//pasting a deck and sideboard
yeah naw cunt

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>>54988301
>you cant look up commander lists online

Is Jhoira any fun to play? I have seen some people here in the past complaining about how unfun she is playing with/against

>>54988312
what are ya? fucking retarded?

>>54987923
You need to show them the more interesting interactions with lands, creature abilities and eccentric enchantments. You have to understand that these people are coming from a game where card design is so fucked they have to abbreviate their own keywords to make it fit on the card.

>>54987979
>>54988149
>muh sekrit club

Reminder that there's a little bit of normie in everyone

>>54988334
Im not the one claiming that you cant net deck a commander list

>>54988329

Like everything, it depends

suspend big fucking dude + obliterate when it's about to hit the battlefield isn't really fun, is it?

spellslinging big, expensive things? alright I guess

>>54988235
You're not looking hard enough

>>54988329
Suspending an Omniscience or Eye of the Storm is fun. Suspending Jokulhaups and Ulamog is not.

>>54988268
Using online resources isn't netdecking and netdecking for commander doesn't lead to success and is not a prevalent. The same cannot be said for other constructed formats.

>>54988386
yeah because commemeder isnt a competitive format

>>54988343
neither am I dumbfuck
its just not a rampant problem because edh is a big brain nigga format

>>54987923
>Hearthstone and Rick and Morty
Pleb friends, anon.

>>54988406
netdecking isnt a problem

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Would anyone please give me some feedback on this Inalla deck? There is a serious glut of cmc 3 spells and I need to trim the deck by 20 cards.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inalla-wizards-discard/

>>54988418
t.smallbrainnigga

>>54988512
Go away Desolator.

>>54988502
Take out every card worth $5 or more.

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>>54988408
Yeah I know, but they're still my friends. Sometimes it hurts putting on the pleb filter for them but I don't mind putting up with them. I just wish they'd try more adventurous stuff outside of their comfort zones once in a while.

>>54988571
>mtg
>adventurous

>>54988408
>Game of Thrones, Hearthstone and Rick and Morty
FTFY

>>54988418
>bypassing half of the point of the game by letting someone else build your deck for you isnt a problem
this is why draft and to a lesser extent sealed are the only real competitive formats

>>54988556
I already own these cards so I'm not going to do that. Sneak Attack is going to be amazing with Inalla's effect.

>>54988598
its still outside of their comfort zones
i mean shit at least mtg isnt just a guy fanning his balls while burping and farting
>dude nihilism lmao

>>54988502
I'm more worried about your 4 and 5 drop slots being so packed. Look to drop at least 2-3 4 and 5 drops each and add in cantrips and draw spells like Ponder, Preordain, FoF, Cruise and Dig. If you have fetches you'll also want Brainstorm. You're missing Rakdos Signet and the RB and UB Talismans, which are really must haves, 2 cmc colored rocks are prime staples. Willbender is also great.

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>>54988598
For them it sure fucking is. These are people who's favorite fighting games are Melee/Smash 4 and are afraid to go try Street Fighter or any other 2D fighter because Dragon Punch movements are too hard for them, who talk about Jojo memes whenever something tangently related pops up but stopped watching the anime after 2-3 episodes because they were wondering where the Stands were (Don't ask them to read manga, that's too much work for them), and who were excited to get GTAV on PS4 when they already bought it for PS3.

A card game where combat and mana isn't automated for them is already too much for them

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>>54988703
>A card game where combat and mana isn't automated for them is already too much for them

>>54987923
>First timers
>Play EDH with them

I have 4 30-card monocolor decks with easy synergies (a bit more complex than the free welcome decks) and The also work with 2HG and free for all. So they are very versatile decks that I can use to teach people MTG.

I played EDH in a pod of 4 with a new dude (a friend brought him in EDH game night) and he borrowed one of my decks. I gave him the easiest and also the most powerful deck I had. Of course in the end I won the game because I am good at playing the game. All he said was "pay to win", as in saying that I won because of money cards.

>>54988703
why would they play street fighter if they are playing melee? melee is the best fighting game of all time

>>54988662
yeah, its overweight men fanning out their ass at gps and lgs's

>>54987067
>Play this
>Draw another one of itself
>Repeat this several times
>Draw Tendrils of Agony
>Storm them to death

Get wrecked, scrubs.

>>54988669
Thanks. I'm trimming some 4 and 5 drops that seem like they would be low impact and need to get some talismans. A lot of the rocks were 3 cmc.

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>>54988870
>Demonic Tutor into Demonic Tutor is how storm works right?
The mana Jim, tutoring ain't free.

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Eclipse time. Post Blood Moons

>>54988963
Dark ritual into seething song.
Same shit famalam.

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>>54989017
>Seething Song

>>54988963
Just get infinite mana first, easy.

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>>54988963
>>54989040
dude splice into arcane lmao

>>54989040
Mirrodin-Lorwyn Standards were a fucking time to be alive.
Urzatron/Dragonstorm, Machine Gun Haakon, Venser/Teferi/Vendillion Cliche

>>54988870
I bet you don't even know the flavor text for Tendrils.

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>>54989136
None. From memory, Storm reminder takes too much space.

>>54989017
that's a lunar eclipse you fuckstick

>>54989166
Alright, you got me. It was indeed a trick question.

>>54989211
Now YOU tell ME the flavor text for Corrupt.

>>54989241
No.

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>>54989241

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WHen I first started playing I thought this card was super good
but i havent seen it in a long time is it too high cmc to be impactful?

>>54989241
>Corrupt
>tfw not an instant
toshi cries every time

>>54988823
Commander decks are just what I had laying around, and I figured the idea of a Commander would resonate with how in Hearthstone you choose Warrior/Priest/Mage/etc. and get Garrosh/Uther/Jaina/etc. on your side.

I have a bunch of Kaladesh/Amonkhet trash laying around, so I could probably try making 40 card mono-color decks and go from there.

>>54989288
Dangerous cards that don't do anything until your next turn are universally kind of shit, even more so when they're expensive

>>54989288
7 cmc, easily removed, and does nothing until your next turn, which means even sorcery speed removal makes it do absolutely nothing.

What do you think about my decks.

>Blue Eldrazi

Tribal eldrazi

>Mono Black Good stuff

Good black cards

>Edric Turns

Take 5+ extra turns in a row to win the game

>Food Chain Prossh

Combo deck. Looking for a turn 3-4 win. All in game plan

>>54989288
That's some real nice Ur-dragon tech you got there.

>>54989506
That are decks. 9/11

>>54989506
>two "combo or do nothing" decks
>two "Hey guys, I'm a super cool deck builder" decks
I sentence you to six months of Angry Omnath until you understand the error of your ways

>>54989506
>doesn't even mention the commander for half of them
They're shit and you're shit and you should be ashamed.

>>54989556
The sad thing is... I am not sure which decks you are referring to as the "super cool deck builder" decks.

>>54989658
Sorry. Blue is the flip Jace. I just tossed in the only legendary blue creature I had. I think there is probably a better one?

Mono black is Erebox, God of the Ded

>>54989748
>Blue is the flip Jace
>not Blue Braids
4/10 apply yourself next time

>>54989288
It's a card you use to teach your playgroup the importance of running removal.

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>>54989748
>flip Jace Eldrazi
Blue Braids. Don't even reply to this you subhuman piece of trash.

>>54989783
What do I do when my groups runs too much removal?

>>54989812
Take it out.

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>>54989529
Have you recieved your blessing from the god pharaoh today (may his return come quickly and may we all be found worthy)?

>>54989779
Okay... that seems pretty good. But idk, Each player is eeeeeeh even when I am playing eldrazi cause I don't always have them.

>>54989854
Then don't play braids if you don't have eldrazi in hand.

>>54989854
What are you, a mindless machine? Don't play Braids until you have some big fatties in your hand. If she is your general you can play her any time.

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>>54989850
>exiling cards from your own graveyard

Is there a way to make a red eldrazi deck?

>>54989854
Jesus 1/10 are you even trying?

>>54989867
>>54989905
Apart from that you play a critical mass of huge permanents with Braids

>>54989867
>>54989905

I actually didn't think about that lol.

>>54989957
Pretty sure you can do some sort of combo with the untap pinger dude in mono red. In 2 or 3 colors you definitely can with Rakdos and Animar. Not sure if that's any reason to build a mono red eldrazi deck but yeah. Unless you didn't mean mono.

>>54989951
You spend resources sometimes, dude.

>>54989951
Maybe I'm thinking too much in 60 card.

>>54989951
Not every deck is a reanimator deck.

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>>54990052

>>54990052
I bet you don't pay attention to graveyard order too, you pleb.

>>54989811
>Blue Braids
but that card is bad

>>54987518
you're talking about art for a children's card game on a Taiwanese Heroes of the Storm ERP imageboard

take your meds anon

>>54990145
>children's card
its 13+ dingus

>>54990052

lol why not

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>have phage/leveler/inverter of truth etc out
>cast pic related
Wew lad lets do this

>>54990052
>not using life from the loam, dredge, and regrow effects in every deck

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>>54990101
I do keep track, even when I have nothing that reanimates. Using Bosium Strip encourages good graveyard habits.

>>54990184
>>54990174
>>54990093
Do you all play with 0 graveyard hate in your groups or is this just a samefagging memer?

>>54990278
If you have extensive graveyard hate in your meta then >>54989850 is even worse.

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>>54989951
I absolutely love exiling cards in EDH. All the grognards have hand picked their bits and pieces and their deck is built to find them whether from library or graveyard and I enjoy taking a shit on their plate.

If you don't hose a strategy you're not planning to use yourself, you're doing it wrong.

>>54990278
to be fair delve cards should be played in every deck that can support them

>>54990354
Delve is great but people seemed to be saying that every deck they play is a reanimator deck. The graveyard is a resource beyond just hoping to someday Animate Dead those creatures. I'll delve or exile stuff from my own graveyard all day for some value.

>>54990377
Delve mostly eats irrelevant cards, whereas >>54989850 only eats things you could be reanimating.

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>>54986794
>Thread Question:
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?

In our playgroup it's pic related. The player who uses it never cast it. He plays this heavy control deck that has no end game for the sake of controling the game. Once he played time warp into time stretch to cast blightsteel colosus and darksteel forge... and refuse to attack an empty board "so to not leave himself open". I'll spare you the details but that day we were playing Nekusaur, Trostani and Nahiri. He manage to lose after resetting the game with Karn Liberated

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He goes in every deck that has black here

>>54990530
angel of finality btfo

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>tfw you're the only player running removal in a meta where everyone runs nothing but must-answer threats and ways to remove them
>tfw everyone durdles to the biggest boardstate until someone goes nuclear
>tfw all your non-supreme verdict wraths get countered
Is this what they call Battlecruiser Magic?

>>54990712
>ways to remove them
Ways to protect* them

>>54990162
>not getting the meme
the board is 18+ dingus

>>54990310
Built my first gravyard centered deck and I'm terrified of running into RIP.

>>54990530
Now that's what I call spice. Also why are enchantments so under utilized?

>>54990765
>Now that's what I call spice

It's as spicy as butter. It's a very standard inclusion.

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My Daretti is the biggest meme in the meta. Everyone thinks he's unbeatable and forbids me from almost every playing it. If they played against it a bit more, they'd get gud and rack up some wins, but no, they convinced themselves a game against Daretti is unwinnable so they no longer even try.

>>54990765
>>not getting the meme
>the board is 18+ dingus
its a meme therefore dont criticism me XD
>mtg is 4chan
wut?

>>54990712
>tfw you're playing thematic jank with few bombs in a meta where one of the players runs every single kind of removal imaginable to man (except counterspells, coz those are unfun cancer!)
>kill spells, exile spells, graveyard hate, wraths, mass-sacrifices...
>every permanent he puts down is imperative to get rid of, and whenever I do manage to get anything resembling a worthwhile play, it gets immediately taken from me.

End my suffering.

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>>54990818
>jank
>a few bombs
>counterspells are unfun cancer

>>54990765
I run the guy in marchesa prison, I have about 18 enchantments so he goes off freqently

Why are the decks I spend the most time working on the weakest, whereas my UGx decks I put together while drunk out of spare jank and bargain bid fodder end up dominating?

Is this format balanced?

>>54986859
Mimeoplasm because we call her Memeplasm.

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>Biggest meme in my meta

ogre magi

My group basically only play with my decks, and this one has gotten so out of control that I'm thinking to take out all wheeling effects from him and refocus him into full cascade and buliding nekusar with the wheels
that way there'd be at least 2 turbofaggot decks
>>54990925

hey man, I slapped a bunch of shit in Lazav and it became like the second most powerful deck in my playgroup

sometimes it just works

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My goal is to make a mem so bad everyone will >you> me. Rate it lads, first attempt.

>Want to build dragons
>search Khans Uncommon box for Sarkhan's Triumph
>8 Murderous Cut and at least two off each other Dragon/Dragon matters card

I'd be really pissed if I didn't plan to make some decks for the neighbourhood kids anyway.

>>54986859
>>That Josh doesn't ever attack anyone ever and that he wants to play like how blue plays but refuses to play blue.

i'm apparently a josh, except i've recently started playing blue

a lot of times i'll have a massive board of reanimated creatures against everyone's empty, gassed out board states, and i'll start trying to figure out a way to win instead of realizing i can also actually swing with my woodfall primus

>>54990993
do you just take that line from the girl in the sex offender shuffle?

@54990993
0/10

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Thoughts/critique? Haven't updated the lands yet.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-08-17-nath-of-the-gilt-leaf/

>>54991028
Yeah, a friend has a comp Dagssom deck and I was just about to sell a mono-brown deck when I realized I could turn it into Slobad and have some fun with it. The line popped into my head that "red can do artifacts too!" and then it just popped to the song.

>>54991056
Is Sek'Kuar or Nath the better stax commander?

>>54991033
meta

>>54991056
Some fun tech in there, looking good. Liliana Heretical Healer is a very underrated card imo.

>>54991033
Thanks senpai

>>54991088
Nath by far, he is way more focused which helps mana-wise.

>>54991088
depends on how many lands you want to blow up
if the answer is all of them go with sek'kuar

what's a fun "watch other people kill themselves" deck that isn't Gahiji?

>>54991157
Anything with manabarbs in it.

>>54991157
Grenzo

>>54991157
maybe grenzo, havoc raiser, though i haven't had the courage to build him

>>54991157
group hug/politics decks and or grenzo/spymaster of trest

>>54991191
>Spymaster of Trest
More like "watch everyone work together to kill you". I've never seen Edric not become public enemy #1.

>>54990993
Made me laugh

>>54991056
I see Death Cloud and Pox, but not Smallpox; how come?

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>>54991157
put gahiji and spymaster in gaydudes
with pic related

>>54991157
Gaylords

>>54991157
Gahiji/Edric in the command zone doesn't really work because when everyone knows that your game plan is to sit back and wait for an easy win, they'll focus you or kill your commander instead.

Grenzo can force people to fight, or build Kynaios and Tiro like >>54991209 said and your motives/game plan will be hidden behind fake group hug and the best control/pillowfort cards.

>>54991157
Fumiko Voltron.

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>>54991202
Glad to know it amused someone other than me.

>>54990506
Holy shit fuck that guy

And I don't even mean that particular person you know. I mean THAT guy. I think we've all seen it. That guy that never attacks for fear of leaving himself open. That guy that actively slows the game down and makes the game less enjoyable for everyone at the table without even progressing himself towards victory to end your misery. That guy that gets salty when people attack him even when he's obviously the one with the target on his head.

Fuck that guy.

>>54991202
It's a multiplayer deck, so the games will tend to drag on longer, and I figured smallpox was too little of a setback to include. That was my reasoning.
>>54991112
All of her modes once flipped are insane for the archetype.

>>54991351
>Holy shit fuck that guy
>implying conterspells.dec is hard to play against
3 opponents and counterspells do not mix

>>54990818
>>54990839
honestly, i was real big into hating the counterspelly side of blue when i was getting into MTG. it just seemed way too easy to hold up 2 mana and keep your opponent from making any impactful plays, then accrue value and card advantage and slowly win the game without your opponent being really able to do anything about it unless their deck was built exactly to deal with that sort of thing.

and you know what? 1 year after playing, after exploring every single archetype known to man in EDH, i finally built a UG draw & go Counterspell deck with some of the weakest counters in the game. it turned out to be probably the strongest 1v1 deck i have, and possibly one of the stronger decks overall for winning games. and this is a 60 dollar meme deck that i threw together for fun. it's fucking ridiculous how easy it is to keep your opponents in check with Counterspells.

>"oh but you need to know what to counter and what you don't need to counter"

holy shit fuck off i've been playing for a year and i can easily distinguish a threat from meaningless fluff.

truth is, wotc fucked up early when they decided that 1) blue should get retardedly well costed removal in the form of Counterspells, like Counterspell, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Swan Song, Pact of Negation and so on and 2) only blue should be able to interact with the stack meaningfully. blue is the only color that can (asymmetrically) stop ETBs, which are super relied on in EDH, and it's the only color that can stop efficiently deal with instant/sorcery spells, which are also retarded good in EDH

tl dr fuck blue

>>54988163
Been out all day thanks dude

>>54991157
thanks for all the suggestions, but what's gaydudes/gaylords?
>>54991209
>>54991241

>>54991452
4c precon sans black
dont let the negro sodomite on the cover fool you, its a sans black deck

>>54991436
git gud

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>>54991452

>>54986794
hello, im new to edh and i dunno what deck to get, although i have been looking at the red precon from 2014. is that one any good?

>>54991482
should've figured, that art is totally homo

>>54991508
It's the best out of them all by far.
Comes with some pretty good cards, though the ones you'd need to make it very good are pretty pricey.

>>54991351
Just build a can't-be-countered deck and walk all over the fuck.
The salt is delicous when you beat someone to death with vanilla bodies.

>>54991472
It's pasta.

>>54991508
>is that one any good?
yes its one of the best ones they made
though 2016 precons are the closest they have come to functioning edh decks right out of the box particularly gay dudes and yidris.
the yidris precon is better than most bad player's main decks
stay away from the 2013 decks unless you want to immediately upgrade them, because they are pretty much unplayable garbo especially the oloro deck

>>54991511
The characters are also canonically gay lovers based off a pair of historic Greek figures who assassinated a tyrant (title, though he was also a bad leader.)

>>54991436
Yep pretty much

Blue control mages are typically just sad nerds who can only feel enjoy MtG by engaging a power fantasy where they can control what their opponent is allowed to do. It's usually not even about winning for them, most blue players in EDH seem to be content just countering random shit constantly.

Blue players are also the only players who zealously defend their archetype from its critics. I've actually never read anyone defend reanimator, storm, combo, ramp, stax etc. the same way that blue players defend their archetype. Are blue players that insecure about being seen as playing MtG on "easy mode"?

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>>54991537
>vanilla bodies.
step up yo game nigga!

>>54991536
i was interested in it due to it having artifacts and wurmcoil engine but i dunno what else to get to upgrade it. i got swiftfoot and trailblazers boots and blanked after that.

>>54991586
>they can control what their opponent is allowed to do
but this is a multiplayer format
counterspell.dek is buttshit in this format

>>54986848
What Quicksilver ruling?

>>54991537
Honestly can't-be-countered tribal is pretty shit

My Maelstrom deck seems to fuck over counterspell players a lot though. You just ramp with cheap ramp, which they can't really afford to counter, and then you drop Maelstrom Wanderer, which will usually produce more threats than they can counter. Even if they do counter Maelstrom, you can most likely cast him next turn for another set of threats.

>>54991436
Do you have harvest time too?

>>54991636
That Quicksilver Elemental copies the OPT restriction Mairsil puts on all caged abilities

>>54991609
It can't form the backbone of your strategy like it can in 1v1, but most of blue's older counterspells are still probably the most powerful form of answer in the game. It also helps counterspells that most strategies that work against them aren't viable in multiplayer, like thoughtseize kinda stuff and proper low cmc aggro.

Leaving mana up for a counterspell or two is more or less the most reliable way of ensuring the safety of you and your board state in EDH

Anybody got the image for Mr. Jank's wild cage?

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>>54991742
Here you go, jank brother

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>>54991742
Here's a bigger one.

as a new player would it be better to get into normal mtg or commander?

>>54991845
Whatever your friends play. You do have friends, don't you anon?

>>54991845
commander by far
but without a playgroup you wont be playing much
so unfortunately you might have to go with the flow

>>54991845
Commander can be a bit overwhelming at first, especiallly if you don't know your meta yet.

I'd suggest playing a few limited/sealed events to get a grip on diffrent play styles and build a collection.

>>54986794
This guy is great to feed into a Volrath

>testing Mirri Hatebears
>tfw slapping the shit out of everyone and making combat absolutely miserable for everyone else

This is pretty fantastic

>>54991957
She's underrated and probably the closest to a Legacy/Vintage playable card from C17. Not to praise her too much but in some Legacy metagame she could be a sideboard card. Everything else that's good (like Kess) is such high cmc.

>>54990052
Scion and Ur-dragon run a shitload of reanimation as a backup plan or just to cheat shit out, you don't need to help the table and kill your graveyard yourself, they should be able to do it just fine on their own.

>>54989288
Costs too much and does nothing the turn it comes in.

>>54991432
>>implying conterspells.dec is hard to play against
Anon from the post he replyed to. It's not a counter spell deck. Maybe i should have went more into details. It's filled with goodies like static orb, orb of winter, propaganda, oblivion stone and nevinyrral disk. Both blightsteel and darksteel colossi, karn silver golem and memnarch, vedalken shackles, cyclonic rift, crawlspace, silent arbitre, etc. It makes for slow games. If something sticks to the board, he probably stole it, else he's about to clear the board, again.

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>Spend my last 2 days looking for cat cards to improve my Cat deck
>Now kikebook ads are full of furry groups

What the hell is this Skynet doing

>>54992262
Those decks aren't very good unless they dedicate themselves to top dollar stax. Lower the cmc of your deck and play hate cards.

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>>54991537
Don't build a deck around it, just fetch one of these dudes from the deck and start punching shit, been working fine for my Ruric.

>>54991606
Daretti can be played as Stax with reanimation for artifact creatures. You grind everyone out and make them want to kill themselves while you sac a small creature to get back a fucking Wurmcoil Engine again and again

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>>54992313
Best Khan is also a good option

>>54992367
>best khan
>not Narset
>not Sidisi

>>54992367
There's also Dosan, City of Stillness and one of the Dromokas.

>>54992367
i actually love this deck
you can easily play it as a value deck or a kiki combo deck
fuck its fun

>>54987923
Not the right way of introducing MTG, man.

>>54992432
I've been meaning to build him for a while, any fun tech or esoteric choices to use with him?
Besides stonebrow, even if their interaction isn't that good.

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>>54992471
gotta use this only because its in the colors
Temur Ascendancy is also insanely good

>>54992471
oh also because its in red you need to run vandalblast
you are here to play medium sized creatuers and control the board
gotta kill those artifacts

>>54992387
Yes, best Khan. Narset is a literal autist and Sidisi is a dead snake.

>>54992367
>>54992387
>any khan
>good

Gross

>>54991586
>I've actually never read anyone defend reanimator, storm, combo, ramp, stax etc
I have.

>>54992471
leyline of anticipation and or Vedalken Orrery

>Patron Wizard in Inalla Tribal in 1v1
This is disgusting.

>>54992557
>tfw stopped playing because combo was the only interesting playstyle in the game and nobody enjoyed facing it

>>54992596
this is sad
though good for me because im one of only a few people at my LGS that dont mind losing so I always have people asking me to play edh

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So I made the shitty voltron deck with a shitty commander.

Rate on the shitiness.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ah-but-you-have-heard-of-me/

What's the general opinion people have on here towards Rhystic study? no one in any if the playgroups I've been in have used it so I never put it in because I thought it would be a dick move. Yesterday though there was a guy at my lcs's flea market selling a bunch of magic cards that were just thrown into boxes and I found 2 rhystic studies and some other things for $1 so I picked it up. I figured it could be a way to help upgrade the wizard precon. what do you guys think about it?

Also related to the wizard precon, what would be some good win conditions for it that are in theme? like I've picked up some stuff to improve the manabase and replaced a lot of the jank with values and better synergy but I don't have a way to win besides outvalueing my opponents. Any suggestions ?

>most meme commander in my group
it would be one of two

>zedruu
my zedruu deck is mainly political and janky and not meant to win. my other decks are well tuned and are meant to win. so whenever I switch into my zedruu deck someone usually freaks out and tries to take me out because they think I have a ton of crazy combos or infinites planned even though the only straight up win con is approach of the second sun and it's bad

the other would be
>orzhov ghost council
my one friend only plays this deck, it's bad, and he gets really pissy if he loses fast. he refuses to make any upgrades or changes even if he's given the cards for free. he's played it at least 30 times in our group with no change

>>54992531
>not just playing a buff motherfucker as your commander
ew

>>54992926
it's good in every blue deck that outside of cedh and sometimes playable there.
it's also almost $10 so there's no reason not to buy out

>USPS tracking is down
>last checked package was at local post office as of last night
Shit
Fuck

I need some spicy tech for mono red combos, preferably one that doesn't screw with my stuff, give me your hot tamales

Hard mode = non creature

>>54986794
>What commander is the biggest meme in your meta?
All of mine. My group is an elevated Craw Wurm meta, and I play a lot of combo so I can blow them out pretty hard, which makes them all attack me quite a bit because my decks are the boogeyman. Good threat assessment desu

>>54992819
It's shit

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>>54991586
>playing mayael bigstompyfucks.dec
>slow start no rocks, only a birds of paradise
>play birds
>blue fuck counters it because "its the best mana fixing and I want you to have an even slower start with your 8cmc creature deck"
>you activated my trap card
>play summong trap
>draw into iona
>she hits the table turn 1
>name blue
>his face when
>he scoops
Went on to have an enjoyable game of 3 people after that turning things sideways

>>54992471
Deathtouch works really well with trample

>>54993262
based naya barbarian

>>54993262
Who in their right mind counters a fucking BoP? Also, who in their right mind plays rocks in green?

>>54993661
rocks are honestly much better than most land tier ramp, especially if there's MLD or winter orb fuckery in the meta

>>54993661
Truly good rocks (signets, mana-positive shit) are fucking based in any color.

>>54993711
Artifact/nonland permanent board wipes are a lot more common than MLD

>>54993887
>deck is already slow as fuck
>he wants it to be 100% vulnerable to MLD

>>54988703
most people I know switched from SF to melee after years of playing it
checkmate atheist

>>54992628
I only ever played with my friends. The regulars at the LGSes were the absolute worst. They're part of the reason I started trying other games (every other TCG here has a great community, but the Magic players are cancer), and realizing that the only thing I enjoy doing in Magic more than other games are degenerate combos that nobody would enjoy facing (High Tide, ANT, Four Horsemen, Arcane Pauper, etc.) I know shitting on lands is pretty much beating a dead horse, but after playing Force of Will and Duel Masters, I realized just how unnecessary they are, and how much bad land draws can fuck up an otherwise entertaining round/hand.

>>54993942
>slow
Nature's Lore/Three Visits are as fast as signets, Wood Elves/Harrow are as fast as Ingots, Skyshroud Claim is as fast as Hedron Archive etc.

>vulnerable
I'd rather get blown out by a rare occurrence than consistently lose my ramp every game.

>>54992819
>ah but you have heard of me
And I half expected it to be made of wood

>>54994080
I actually find it much rarer people who runs lots of mass artifact destruction. Mass artifact destruction will rarely stop anyone from combo-ing, and it will almost always fuck you up as much as everyone else. I would run Krosan Grip over any mass artifact destruction any day.

If your playgroup doesn't like MLD, running land-based ramp will be more effective, since they will be indestructible in most games.

Can anyone rec me an interesting/unique commander that I can play on a budget?
For reference of cards I already have, I played Legacy Storm and Dredge, and Modern Infect and Ad Nauseam
I'm just looking for something fun and interesting to play casually for around ~75 that I could build with what I have

>>54994080
I meant his deck is already slow, not that land ramp is slower than artifact ramp. Also, I would prefer to lose a bit in every game and still be up against everyone else, than having a glaring weak spot that makes you instantly lose games.

>>54994249
Mairsil can be built for that price if you use transmute cards/looting. If that's not janky/grave-focused enough, there's always my boy Stitcher Geralf.

Why is Transguild Courier barred from everything but a five-color deck because its text says it's all colors, but stuff with devoid can't be played in a colorless deck despite it saying it's colorless?
I know the rules reason, I just think it's dumb as hell and unintuitive, and that one or the other should be the case, not both. Also annoyed I can't run Eldrazi Tribal with an Eldrazi Titan as general and still use drones

>>54986794
>Thread Question
a friend of mine plays Norin the Wary in the exact way you would expect
For his wedding gift, we got him a Gauntlet of Might

>>54994306
I was looking at Mairsil but I hate running decks that really rely on their commanders a ton
Geralf seems cool but I want more than one color

>>54994349
If only we had a legend that would let us make Eldrazi Tribal with devoid and drones.
Something like "As long as ~ is your commander, your deck may include Eldrazi cards and cards with Devoid that are outside its color identity."

>>54986997
Recruiter of the Guard is a must. It fetches SFM/Karmic Guide + any other utility critters you stuff in there (Ranger of Eos/Mom&MemeAscendant, Puresteel,Shikari, Grand Abolisher)

>>54994393
Or something with activated abilities. Tazri, Kozilek's Pawn that's the same as the current but with all Ally mentions changed to Eldrazi or some shit.

>>54994448
Or even just a legendary that has all 5 colors but also has Devoid.

>>54994379
Dralnu then. He can do reactive control+any sort of spell combo you want. Doomsday, mucktide, etc. Don't fall for the Magebane Armor meme unless your meta has a fuckton of removal-heavy monored decks.

>>54994249
>Maralen
>ad nauseum
>sickening dreams
>dark sphere
>96 land
Glasscannon.dec

>>54990765
>why are enchantments so under utilized?
Because they never got their own block (everything was broken in Urza's) whereas Wizards gives artifacts as much play time as they can. They feel like enchantment creatures need a reason for being added to a plane whereas artifact creatures are a diamond dozen.

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>>54994567
>diamond dozen

>>54992531
Hows that dragon dick taste

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>>54994567
The phrase is "a dime a dozen" mate.

>tfw your playgroup wont let you play flavorful cards like bloodmoon
feels bad man

>>54994508
I like this option the best
you wouldn't happen to have any naya colored options would you cuz most of my fetches are in those colors

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>>54994635
Perfect, thanks.

>>54994578
>>54994636
>newfags

>>54994578
>>54994636
for all intensive purposes the denotation is the same

>>54994567
Theros was an enchantment block, unfortunately they can only print shit in sets past 1998

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>>54988826

>>54994676
>not detonation

>>54994657
>trying to bullshit your way out of looking bad on a cantonese kite flying irc channel
>>54994652
Naya is Timmy Face Beating: the Shard. I guess Marath can be a decent combo/jankstuff leader if you don't mind the inconsistency.

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>>54994655

>League of Legends

nigga u gay

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>>54994742

>>54994769
nigger that's DotA2
doesn't matter though cause HoN is better than both

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>yfw the wizards precon is the only one with value yet every precon is selling for above msrp
>yfw stores wont crack product so you can just buy 1 teferis piss break

>>54994777
idefinitelydidntgooglethisscreencapthirtysecondsagotopretendimanoldfag.jpg

>>54994854
>.jpg
>not .tiff
Learn your chan-culture before calling people out

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>>54994880
>he's still at it

>>54994880
>>54994854
Go makeout in the discord

Looking to get back in after a two year hiatus. I only have a couple people I play with, and the LGS scene is trash (I have to keep anything I bring with me close to make sure the Magic players don't steal it, between the thick smell of cigarettes, bad Chinese food, and Axe that they bring with them, I can barely breathe, and that's not even getting to their views on deckbuilding), so I don't want to invest much money in. I've sold off most of my cards, but I still have a couple decks worth. Seeing this thread made me want to pick EDH up again. What's a cheap, fun commander to try? Preferably in black or blue.

>>54994980
Dralnu best Dimir commander

I recommend a Doomtide build

>>54994980
Jalira or Shirei.

>>54995043
I want to make a Shirei deck but think it will be jank.

>>54995082
It's the best kind of Jank though.

>>54995070
>>54995070
>>54995070
New thread

>>54992483
this is turbo shit

New Thread

>>54995093
>>54995093
>>54995093
>>54995093

>>54995096
>>54995106
FUCK, not again.

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>>54993023

I know, right?

>>54994980
Dragonlord silumgar is a fun cheap UB commander that is good at punching up at stronger decks. The scarab god is the new hotness and his eternalize ability is powerful.

>>54994466
Thinking about it, this release was the perfect time to make a Generic Tribal Legendary, though it would've meant not getting Ramos.
Legendary artifact creature (or just legendary colorless creature), choose a creature type on ETB, it's that type and others of that type get +1/+1, generic goodstats for its cost, and an ability that costs (2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G) to do something big that doesn't actually take up much text space

>>54995380
Clone all of your nonlegendary creatures?

>>54994693
>I cant wave dash?

>>54995465

>Playing Smash at all in 2017

>>54995436
Generico 5
Legendary Creature
As Generico enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Generico is the chosen type.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1
(2/W)(2/U)(2/B)(2/R)(2/G): For each nonlegendary creature you control of the chosen type, create a token that's a copy of it.
4/5

>>54995689
Wait, no. Better yet would be 'As an additional cost to cast Generico, choose a creature type'
Then you get cast triggers on top of ETB triggers.

>>54994349
Even if you could play devoid eldrazi in a colorless deck you would need Mycosynth Lattice or Gilded Lotus or something like that to cast them.

>>54994814
>HoN
Surely it has been dead for years?

>>54996969
Oh, I know it would be a pain, but you could - thanks to the change that went into effect with Oath - run any land that says 'any color' like City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Mirrodin's Core, or Aether Hub, along with mana rocks that say the same like Darksteel Ingot, Chromatic Lantern, and Coalition Relic.
It wouldn't be very competitive, but it would be POSSIBLE. I just want to make Kozilek and have it be a Kozilek deck.

>>54997176
Sand Wraith and Geo just got reworks last week

>>54991704
I thought that was only if mairsil cages quicksilver and not if quicksilver copies mairsil

I'm still learning a lot about Magic - do people play Commander at all aside from when it releases? Everyone usually just plays Standard right?