Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

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>that's supposed to be angry
>that's supposed to be an amazon
>waifu
Already ruined.

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>>54886476
dumb marienburger

>>54886450

Question for you /wfb/urgers:₩; what is the difference - if any - between a priest praying for a miracle and a wizard casting a spell?

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Is there a city map of Sartosa, rather than just the island one?

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>>54886554

A spell is directly tapping the winds of magic and having to do every step in shaping the nature of the spell yourself. Lots of calculations and practiced movements necessary to not fuck up, plus your own magic talent having determining the potency of your spell.

Priest miracles are, very simply put, you asking your god to cast the spell for you, from the god's vast pool of magic, with success based on how much favour you've earned by sticking to the doctrine and having legit faith.

In short magic is like cooking spells and miracles is bying instant noodles.

Meanwhile, chaos magic, the thinking man's magic, is both: earning power and understanding of magic by Tzeentch while having the freedom to tinker with it as an extension of the Raven god's will.

>>54886554
Ones spells come from a god, other (is a heretic) get's powers from the warp...and can explode/get possessed/turn into a portal to hell

>>54886554
the wizard has to think of a way to take a rock out of a river and actually do it himself

the priest asks someone else to give him the rock

>2 Cathayan warrior monks
>2 Arabyan mages
>2 Ulricans
>dark elf sorceress
>wood elf war dancer
Other than Nippon geishas, a high elf, and Amazons what else do I need for a well balanced harem?

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>>54886450
Lizardmen are the purest of races


Also CA gave us what's perhaps a first on screen view of the thinking behind lizardmen sacrificing other lizardmen

Hopefully we'll get to see a canon regarding their afterlife beliefs

>>54887235
Slaaneshi daemonette

>>54886450
Wait, are they making Warhammer Fantasy Warriors? That's like a dream come true.

>>54887311
Damn I can't wait to burn their forests down.

>>54887312
Norsecans are off limits as haremettes anon, chaos a shit.

>>54887392
Bye bye dark elf sorceress.

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>>54875470
>I expect Tomb Kings and Araby to become DLC because there are no other real choices for the second game

Not in any way a realistic choice as they have barebones fluff and nill tabletop-presence but I really hope that we will see a Mung-dlc with some lovely chaotic horseniggers.
It's just so much fun drowning the enemy in arrows and only get in a melee at the final, decisive charge, wherein you break the enemy army.
Besides horse archers, what units would you include in a Mung-roster?

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>>54887350
I don't have to tell you rainforests don't burn that well, lots of shadows too under those steamy humid skies and rocks.

On other news about the weather: the ruins of Chupayotl seem to have resurfaced from the sea with a new small landmass south of lustria.

what other advancements does this map hide?

>>54887446
No.

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>>54886450
Okay, tell me, what the fuck did those kids do to him in school?

>>54886965
>>54886994
>>54887203

With this in mind - is the Slaughterpriest from AoS using magic when he prays to Khorne and asks him to make peoples heads explode?

>>54887524
Made him play age of sigmar.

>>54887544

>AoS

I would tell you to fuck off, but I'd rather explain that pretty much all lore is effectively cancelled with the setting transition, so who knows if it still works like that over there there. You'll probably have more luck asking in their general since they've actually read the game's lore and can confirm what you say.

Also fuck off.

>>54887518
Come on, anon, you can't be so half-arsed. Either get rid of all the chaos or face the slaaneshi futa-dick.

>>54887590
I'd happily take the futa dick if it didn't mean everyone dies.

>>54887582
Get your head out of your rubber cunt you elitist fuckwit, I have a point I'm working on here. Trying to figure out if the concept of a Slaughterpriest could be made backwards compatible because, whilst a majority of AoS minis are CAD garbage - that one has some mustard.

Additionally

>expecting people who post in AoS General to know AoS lore
>expecting people who play AoS to know AoS lore
>expecting AoS to have lore.

>>54887459
>I don't have to tell you rainforests don't burn that well,
One way or another I'm burning some lizards next to some trees, along with some serious logging.

>>54887544
>is the Slaughterpriest from AoS using magic when he prays to Khorne and asks him to make peoples heads explode?
Practically everything regarding chaos is magical, be it your way of contacting the gods or the way the gods have to actually see you (souls and consciousness are magic in a way and the gods don't really care about soulless beings, I'm not even sure they would be able to focus on a rock) and chaos is often hypocritical or self contradicting so khorne being made of magic stuff and casting spells, regardless of how brutal they may be, isn't too much of an inconsistency with his rules about the use of magic.

fact is that priests' miracles are different enough to wizards' spells, if not in effects, at least in methodology, to warrant a separation.
the slaughterpriest does not cast magic spells.

>>54887624
Depends on where you stand. I always thought Khorne's unbridled disdain for anything magic is nonsensical when he's 100% magic and anything he does is also 100% magic. I always thought that Khorne magic should just be primitive and in-your-face as apposed to manipulative and subtle.

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>>54887624

I was being cheeky anon.

>expecting AoS to have lore.

I mean, surely it has some right? Otherwise how in the fuck has their general lasted to this day?

Anyway, if we were to theoretically apply the slaughterpriest idea to Fantasy, I would say that it probably wouldn't work, since the for Khorne straight up attack sorcery is for pussies therefore he wouldn't have any miracle/spells of that nature. You either use your own hands to make the blood flow or you're a tzeentchian bitch.

The most common khorne magic is the creating of anti-magic amulets to counter magic sissies.

>>54887670
Whilst I'd personally make the argument that a prayer is not metaphysically distinct enough from a spell to dostinguish the two, that's not even tbe major issue here.

It plain doesn't make sense for Khorne to do the slaughtering for his followers.

Give them mutations or magical weapons/armour/followers to make them even more dead killy, sure.

But using divine magic when a big part of his schtick is 'No Wizards Allowed'?

That shit just doesn't fly.

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>>54887235
A Lahmian.

>>54887681
>I always thought Khorne's unbridled disdain for anything magic

It's not anything magic though, he's noted as being the master of forging magical weapons, it's wizards.

>>54887681

Khorne magic should be pretty in-lin with Dwarf magic: basically buffing your weapons, armor and personal stats.

>>54887695
Most of the AoS general is tactics, minis and speculation. I'm pretty sure they come here when they want to talk lore.

As for a Slaughterpriest in Fantasy?...

I suppose I could kind of see it working, as basically a warrior priest style character. But I'd like to believe there would be dissension in the ranks with some Khornates just flat out calling his shit magic and wanting to gut him for it.

>>54887708
>That shit just doesn't fly.
You're right, but it looks cool enough for me.

The way of the lord are innumerable, some could say.

>>54887708
>It doesn't make sense for Khorne to kill someone.

You're wrong.

>>54887759
I always enjoyed myself the idea of khorne wizards being magicians of other schools that get captured/chained/drugged/whatever for a penitent and often self destructing weaponization on the battlefield.

>>54886554
Let's Encyclopedia Brown this bitch.

>Magic comes from manipulating the Winds of Magic
>The winds of Magic are the seperated strains that come from the Realm of Chaos as it leaks into the world.
>The gods come from/are/are made of/reside in (choose as appropriate) the Realm of Chaos
>Therefor any actions they take on the world is essentially the material of the Realms of Chaos influencing the real world.
>ie: magic

The only difference as I can see is that, because a priest is essentially calling on a higher power, there is another sentience doing all the heavy lifting that could decide 'fuck it, no'.

But as for practical and philosophically - yeah, prayers = a different form of magic

>>54887787
No u

>>54887717
Well, of course, Wizards are sneaky, subtle and avoid combat.
Which should make a musclewizard that summons storms of blood by decapitating bitches and exploding skeletons out of his enemies by screaming incoherently A-OK in his book.

>>54887844
For a guy who just wants blood to flow, his beef with a whole class of people who could basically industrialise it is weird.

>>54887844

I mean, sure.

As long as you need to be on melee range and actually hit the guy beforehand. I dunno if that's how the slaughterpriest wors though as I haven't read AoS

>>54887709
Do they even have models?

>>54887882

There's Neferata, but

>End Times

If you're up for that then be my guest

>>54887859
The problem is, if his followers start realising magic is good, he'd lose a lot of people to his brother who sells objectively better magic.

it's not like tzeentch can't also offer being buff should he want to.

>Why no Khorme liki da magic ;_; ??1/?!

Magic is portrayed as an intellectual pursuit.
Khorne's followers are rage blinded and lack the clear head necessary for such things.

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>>54887894
>huge model
At that rate I might as well just use Alarielle or this bitch.
They shouldn't be too pricey on the third market right?

>>54887951
Based on that, would you also assert that a calculating serial killer like, say, the Zodiac Killer couldn't be a Khornate cultist?

>>54888074
Seems more like a tzeentch guy, the murders are less about killing and more about getting people to play into his mind games.

>>54888074
Serial killers are usually perverts or narcissists.So Slaanesh or Tzeentch would fit better.
Khorne is more the going postal type.

>>54887898
That's why you shouldn't have a Faction that is Literally Magic and then one part of them be The Magic God.

Also, it works for Slaanesh and Nurgle. Just have Khorne Sorcery be different, guttural, primitive and direct. You want seventeen cocks or mind control people? That ain't Khorne. Khorne gives you a screaming skull missile that explodes the heads of your enemies into more screaming skulls.

>>54887898
By that line of reasoning, why do Nurgle and Slaanesh bother if Tzeench unconditionally can do magic better?

>>54888102
So that must preclude him from being khornate? He can't kill for the love of killing for Khorne and then make a game on top of it?

>>54888175
They're not as mad as Khorne.

>>54888187
No, the game is pointless frivolity.

>>54888187
Yes.
Blood for the blood god, not mind games.
You go, you kill, you keep killing.
You don't kill, leave a message, kill again, and keep fucking with people. It's no longer about the blood it's about your own ego as a mastermind.

>>54887452
Donno. But those crusaders in Araby and a kingdom of strygos grinding my gears far more.

>Final battle of Bretonnia .
>Go into the chaos wastes and punch archaon in the face.

Lore question. How suicidal is this idea?

>>54887459
>advancements
The time line of this thing is all over the place. Nothing to advance.

>>54888217
>>54888217

These answers seem to lack depth. There's nothig stopping a serial killer from dedicating his kills to khorne and playing mind games with the city watch because they're a sick monster.

Khorne might be better suited to obvious murder and mindless rage, but there's not some caveat that stops intelligent killers from kiling in his name.

>>54888298
He could dedicated his killing to Shallya if he wanted. Doesn't mean it's particularly true to her ethos or character.

>>54887709
>Lahmia is worstpire
t. Ushoran

>>54887951
Nah. He considers spells cheating. Crafting magic stuff to kill people? Fine with him.
Mind bullets? Get the bloodhounds.

>>54888243
Archaon the Hedgehog lost to an orc, do not too suicidal.

>>54888187
Killing is praying for a khornate. Praying isn't something to enjoy.

Enjoying it is for slaaneshis.

>>54888408
It was mother fucking Grimgor.
Only Crom is save from da best.

>>54887544
No, Slaughterpriest and his faithful kill and shed blood. If the offering is pleasing, his prayers will be answered by Khorne.

Khorne in WHFB has intevene in battlefields before. Throwing Brass Skulls the size of boulders or stabbing the planet with his skyscraper Ebon sword.

>>54888552
When did that happen?

>>54888552
>God magically boils opponents blood
>Not magic

>>54888332
A nurse going around offerig Shallya's Benediction and euthanasing the terminally ill seems perfectly fittig to both Shallya and a serial killer.

>>54888621
Daemons of Chaos army book. Khorne threw a Brass skull at a bloodthister.

In the End Times, to help his chosen warriors, Khorne stabbed the battlefield with his sword. Normal people saw only darkness that left behind destruction. Those with witchsight saw a black sword streching to the heavens stabbing into the earth.

>>54888729
It's not magic. Khorne is the one doing it, not the Slaughtepriest.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go_mpfuUn68

>that ending
hot

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>>54888794
>In the End Times

>>54888804
So how do bloodwracks procreate?

>>54888833
They are Morathi cursed females with minds of animals except for a small spark sapience to torment about all they have lost. I expect there are only a set number of them.

>>54888262
>The time line of this thing is all over the place.
except for the resurrection of vlad and isabella and the repositioning of certain characters into other zones, the timeline is pretty coherent with the state of the warhammer world right after karl franz's coronation.

by advancement I mostly mean retroactive additions to the fluff like what I'm assuming to be neo-strigos getting refunded in the land of the dead after the fall of the one in the badlands.

>>54888243
Volkmar almost managed it, and he's just an old man with a popemobile.

>>54888950
>Volkmar almost managed it,

No he didn't. He got smashed/

>>54888963
He marched into the chaos wastes and challenged Archaon to single combat.

He got smashed in the duel, but he's not exactly a combat monster, so that's to be expected.

>>54888950
Dude, Volkmar came at Archaon with his silly float. Archaon took one swing at him smashing and his float to a bloody ruin. One Punch manned him.

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When can into best mom?

>>54889095
>He marched into the chaos wastes and challenged Archaon to single combat.

They fought in troll country, not the wastes.

>>54887235
A Bretonnian princess.

>>54889455
Would a damsel be a good base for one?
And to the anon that mentioned the daemonette, Arabyans imprison daemons in jars right? She can be the djinn of a wizard lord riding either a Pegasus or magic carpet.

>>54888074
More a cultist of Khaine.

>>54889502
Yeah, one of the damsels on foot should work great. So you're actually trying to model this?

>>54888729
Shallya's biggest and most important stricture is "Avoid killing." The next biggest "do not obstuct a soul when it is time for it to depart." Shallyans do not kill. Period.

You're just...not good at understanding ANY of the gods, are you?

>>54886523
I still think Teclis' helmet looks like it's too big for his head.

>>54889651
To be fair to that anon, there have been heretical Shallyan sects before. Ones that unknowingly spread disease, or would perform 'cures' on those not even sick that will probably kill them. It's hard to find any that ever kill, but it's probably not impossible - they're just heretical.

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>>54889567
Yes, side project while warlord ships the soldiers.

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Skaven trailer tomorrow!

>>54889998
>no high elf trailer.
SAD!

>>54889998
Balls, looks like my friend was right after all. Glad I didn't actually bet any money on this.

>>54889651
In orthodoxy, yes. But there have been sisters who did terrible things in plague quarantines, even still manifesting miracles.

>>54889998
Saltzpyre would be ashamed of you.

>wfb headcanon
>Gotrek merges with Grimnir and goes into the realm of chaos.
>there, he kills be'lakor and and for all thanks to MAGEEC RUHNES LADDIE
>He also maimes one of the chaos gods permanently before disappearing
>some think he's dead, others that his pure dwarven autism makes him an anthema to chaos itself

What changes?

>>54890047
They really are the whipping boys of the game...

>>54890216
Age of Sigmar becomes even more braindead.

>>54890216
Nothing much. Faglakor being dead would be small consolation.

>>54890294
Go big or go home boy

>>54890216
To be fair, i'd like this more as an end to the saga of Gotrek that the weak shit we got for end times.

Gotrek meets Grimnir, who by smelting the bones of a thousand demons and tempering it in daemonic ichor creates an axe upon which creates a rune so powerful it can only be used once and cannot ever be replicated, but it's power is enough to kill the gods themselves.
Gotrek takes it and dies using it to kill a Chaos god. A minor one, like Hashut, bel'akor or the horned rat, or permanently cripples the one of the big 4 in the attempt

Title: Godslayer

>>54889998
Why are Skaven so scary to humans again? I get that there are a lot of them, and it's terrifying to realize they're under pretty much all of your cities, but they're still not something I'd lock myself up in an insane asylum over if I feared their reach that much.

>>54890640
>they're still not something I'd lock myself up in an insane asylum over

Asylums are pretty secure.

>>54890640
No idea. Prior to the end times the skaven don't even seem much of threat given that they pathetically fail at everything they do. If a story contains a skaven plot you can be pretty sure they will end up being the butt of every joke and get themselves slaughtered by the bucketload.

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>>54886623
This one?

>>54890861
>Prior to the end times the skaven don't even seem much of threat

Just because they're presented as jokey to us doesn't mean much for their presentation in-universe.
They're very threatening based on how numerous, technologically advanced and lacking in ethics they are.

>>54890260
they are the empire equivalent.
>tfw looking forward to making friends with elfs and dorfs and beating back chaos.

>>54890861
>1111-1121

>>54890640
I think it has more to do with the shock of they are actually real than fear.

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>>54890871
Nah, that's the whole island (which mentions features that, as far as I can tell, exist in no other fiction), but thank you. I'm looking for like, a city street map.

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>>54887459
I'm a little sad they didn't include the islands off the Tarantula Coast sometimes shown in maps.

>>54890958
It'd be fantastic if you could in some way settle the great grudge between the Elves and Dwarves and recover the Phoenix crown (or else just take Karaz-a-karak and seize it).

But yeah, I want to see more of the High Elves, dammit! I get that people are hyped about the Lizardmen and Skaven, but we've heard next to nothing about the Asur or Druchii and my hype is building to uncontrollable levels for a grand campaign combining the two maps!

>>54887459
>Saphrey won't be playable
I mean, I knew we were going to be playing as Lothern all along, but it still sucks... I want to play as the prince of Saphrey, dammit! Tyrion and Teclis are cool, but too tied up with their own personal destinies to really connect too much with the fate of the entire High Elf race and kingdom...

>>54891329
Don't worry anon, there are always faction unlocker mods.

And I'm not the only one with the suspicion that the Strygos Empire and the Necrach Brotherhood are just stand-ins for future Tomb Kings, right? Even if, if you look at it...I thought Nehekhara would be bigger. A lot bigger, really, at least half the size of the Empire.

>>54890906
>>54891026

I might be wrong but all the fluff about the skaven almost overunning the empire or conquering dwarf holds refers to events that took place at least hundreds of years ago. The stories that are set in the recent timeline typically depict them as hopelessly inefficient with each attempted plot resulting in tons of dead skaven with no gain.

>>54891400
Egypt itself wasn't too impressive back in the day. Sure it was large, but not the largest of the ancient empires, even at the height of its power.

Also, I am crossing my fingers so hard that their grand campaign provides a different story chain than the vortex campaign, seeing as it includes the factions of the Old World too. I've had a theory for the longest time that the decline of the High Elves is because of Asuryan's fury at Malekith's sacrilege of leaping into the flame, despite being tainted by fould magic and knowing he was unworthy. If he is at last slain and the Dark Elves defeated, maybe the fortunes of the High Elves will be reversed? Well if not, I'mma still murder his ass and conquer back the colonies. But wasn't the New World supposed to be filled with orcs..?

>>54890640

Picture an enemy, which lives beneath your cities. Numerous, vicious, cunning. A foe who actively seeks out and removes anyone who learn too much of them, striking their targets down despite the paranoid efforts of those who they hunt.

What is worse, it is almost impossible to muster action against them; the masses view the stories of the ratmen as mere fable or superstition, and those who do know the truth are either keeping that knowledge very well hidden indeed or have been dismissed as being insane.

Even if you do get support, you have to descend into the dark, into sewers and half-flooded tunnels to hunt a foe who was born in that environment, who will lure you deeper into the warren to then ambush and overwhelm you. Or lead you on some wild goose chase, denying you the satisfaction of the fight, all the while those brave enough to join you question your sanity.

>>54891708
I know, but with all the different Tomb Kings cities in the lore...little bit disappointing that they're probably only going to have one or two provinces to fill them out with.

I do actually find it pretty weird that there don't seem to be many Orcs and Goblins in the new map beyond the Top Knots. I mean, there are two other Orc/Goblin factions I can see, but none of them are in Naggaroth, and I thought there had been some specific lore about Dark Elves taking some Orcs as slaves and them escaping and forming tribes. There are actually more Beastmen up there than Orcs, from what I can see. I guess they wanted to leave the Dark Elves free to raid and attack the High Elves?

And on the Malekith note - if (in the End Times) Asuryan was willing to wait thousands of years for Malekith to take his rightful place, who would he have chosen if Malekith had been killed? This seems like a plan with a lot of holes, especially since it's never made clear who Malekith would have been able to make a successor if he had succeeded.

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>>54891329
That's the fucking point. Tyrion and Techlis are the only High Elves who give a damn about the other order races.
>>>54890216
Hellpit fucking confirmed!

>>54891853
>actually considering the humans and smelly bearded animals to civilized enough to be something akin to people
Filthy deviants.

>>54888804
>vore me

>>54891920
Finubar did too, so fuck you.

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I cant wait to abuse lesser races and punish traitors

>>54890861
Skaven have always been kind of weird as an army. I mean meeting on the field of battle is really direct for them. The horrifying thing would be to see hundreds of them rushing out of the sewer chasing everyone down and stabbing/biting everyone to death.

>>54891730
Skaven are just another form of beastman. Their existence shouldn't be anymore mythical than the fucking goat people rampaging across the countryside. The only thing that would really be be relatively unbelievable would be that there are enough skaven underneath every major city to overthrow it, if only they could get their shit together.

>>54891834
>I thought there had been some specific lore about Dark Elves taking some Orcs as slaves and them escaping and forming tribes
More than that, they were native to the New World. Malekith won a great deal of fame and renown there by slaughtering them and driving them back, before becoming governor of the OLD World colonies and meeting Snori Whitebeard, at least if I remember my Black Library novels correctly... That or it was the other way around, but either way, there WERE orcs there!

And yeah... But I'm also sad they didn't include the Araby states. They could have finally included those armies of djinn, flying carpets and other things that were alluded to but never expanded upon! Still, there looks like space for maybe three Tomb Kings factions perhaps? A bit of a shame for Tomb Kings players, but honestly, besides Settra and maybe Nagash, how many big-name characters/factions did the Tomb Kings even have, compared to the Elector Counts, or the Elven kingdoms, or the Lizardmen cities? They seemed like one of the more cohesive factions in the setting, as far as I could tell.

Oh, is there any word if TW:W2 is going to finally overhaul those god-awful sieges they had in the first game? They were by FAR the biggest let-down for me, personally, even more so than the settlement restrictions.

>>54891970
>a cuck did too
Not doing your "humans and dwarves are people too" argument any favors.

>>54891991

No major change to sieges

>>54891991
I liked the settlement restrictions, to an extent. They mean wiping everyone else out for territory is kind of a silly exercise. Would work a bit better if they eventually go the direction they did with Norsca and make some settlements multiracial between several races, so there is less incentive to drive everyone to extinction.

>>54891853
>>54891920
Hey fuck you buddy; Finubar-
>>54891970
Dammit, beat me to it. But yeah, Finubar the Seafarer is the most open and cosmopolitan ruler the Elves have had in millennia and trade with the humans is finally going some way to restoring a bit of lustre to the otherwise slowly-declining elves. The Empire are even sometimes useful allies, if only because there's enough of them to soak up casualties. And while the High Elves dislike the dwarves, none will deny their civilization is every bit as ancient and advanced as theirs.

>>54892036
If you're referring to the thing between Alarielle and Finubar, that was a ceremonial marriage and has been since Aenarion. After the year is concluded, both part ways and take other lovers and spouses. Nothing cuckish about it, as neither of them have any interest in the other after that point.

>>54892046
Sonofabitch. What about bigger battlefields and longer battles? Come on, they said they were listening to the feedback for Sigmar's sake-! How can they miss two of the biggest complaints the fanbase had?!

>>54892086
He didn't get her pregnant. That's all that matters.

>>54886450
w-why is waifu angry?

>>54892129
Dirty humans can't stop waifuing her.

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So, basically the hellpit has been confirmed by the missive. I'm excited for it, but apparently Skaven fans we're really mixed on it. What do you guys think?

>>54892129
You're a human.
Her feet hurt.
She wishes she were home eating out the everqueen.

>>54892169
Go away /u/

>>54889998
Can someone explain the appeal of Skaven to me? I've never particularly liked them apart from when they blow up half their own armies on tabletop. In lore they seem like dumb mary sues ala old necrons. The only time I've ever seen them get completely btfo was when Grimgor killed all that one clan's rat ogres and called them shit.

>>54892186
Better /u/ than a human.

>>54892169
but polishing fur clams is forbidden magic

>>54892129
>>54892169
>she
that's a man

>>54892321
Pity (You).

>>54892321
>A man
>Literal visible boobs
Here's a (you), enjoy and buy and ice cream

>>54892162
are you sure it's the hellpit abbo and not the vermin lord?

the abbo looks like it would cost a lot of charlemagnes

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>>54892321

>>54892123
Given the low elven conception rate, it's entirely possible she wasn't even ovulating at the time, so that's not really surprising...

>>54892129
She hasn't been having a good few years, Anon. If I were you, I'd just step to one side and let her pass; that elf has the look of a woman on a mission.

>>54892209
They're basically Saturday morning cartoon villains. They have all these terribly eeeevil schemes, with monsters and mad SCIENCE creations and horrifying magic, but they're also cowardly and compulsive backstabbers who despite being knockoff underground nazis, can never achieve anything meaningful and constantly have to skulk back into the darkness, reeking of fear, shaking their paws and declaring they'll get you next time, while telling their higher-ups about the "near-complete and glorious victory over the man-things, foiled only by their INCOMPETENT UNDERLINGS," etc. Some people find it fun to go completely over-the-top wit ha race that plots to steal the moon; builds death-rays and is constantly so mired in backstabbery and cartoonish maliciousness.

And that's totally fine! What I find annoying is when the players try to tell me I should take the squeaking little shits seriously.

>>54892338
>>54892351
>Man'facia

>>54892396
Tyrion got her pregnant.
I guess Finubar is impotent on top of being a cuck.

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>>54892366
Anon this looks pretty expensive to animate too,

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>>54892396
>They're basically Saturday morning cartoon villains.
With Thanquol being one literally.

>>54892460
yeah, but it sounds like the end result of a campaign revolving around rituals on top of having already been mentioned in an event in TWW1

>>54892501
"The great and illustrious Thanquol get you next time, dwarf-thing and man-thing! Next tiiiime!"

>>54892445
Humans don't conceive every time they try you know, Anon. Given the low elven birth rates, I would not be at all surprised if Tryon and the Everqueen's relatively quick conception is seen as something unusual, maybe even an especially good omen!

And for goodness sake, can you really not tell the difference between a political/ceremonial marriage and actually having any form of attachment to your spouse or lover? Oh wait, why am I even arguing? You're just after (You)s.

>>54892083
The Wood Elves had a good approach I felt, by making outposts outside of Loren. If, for instance, the Empire were to conquer an orc/dwarf settlement, why not allow them to set up a colony on it, with limited production and units? Not as developed as a city, or even a town, but it'd be SOMETHING?

>>54892697
I'm after making people understand that only asur are people.

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Sorry for the game shit, but I just had a really fun battle in TWW. I was playing as Bretonnia, and Nordland, my longtime ally, was in deep shit thanks to Norscan raids and a Chaos rebellion. I was swamped with constant attacks on Marienburg, but I put together a force to try and relieve Middenheim (it had fallen into Nordlander hands by that point). I barely made it close enough to Middenheim in time to join in on the defense of the city.

I won't bore with all the details, but in essence I split my army into two groups to support against both attacking sides, and had to use my cavalry to help break the invaders once they got past the gates and walls. It was a brutal, bloody fight, and in the end I only had my lord and one Knight of the Realm left - not one unit, one knight. The Nordlanders came away better, but with a few mauled halberdiers and swordsmen. I won't be able to relieve Salzenmund, but I can rest easy knowing that Nordland won't die off.

I never thought that I could ever really have fun in a Total Warhammer siege battle, but this was a fight that didn't feel like it was a guaranteed win or loss from the get-go, and it was a lot of fun fighting alongside an ally, even an AI one.

>>54892501
Wasn't there a part we're gortex and Thanquol teamed up? Just like a Saturday Morning cartoon we're the villains ally with the heroes for an episode.

>>54892890
twwh is keeping fantasy relevant.
And battles with an allied AI are among the best parts of total war.

>>54892963
It is a lot more fun than trying to micromange two of your own armies, but it's also surprisingly rare.

And TWW is fun, but I don't want the general to get too focused on vidya. Lore discussion is always good, like 'does Bretonnia have particularly good relations with any Imperial province?'

>>54893049
just marienburg. Besides, elf waifus are coming soon, so we can discuss those.

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>>54892890
Your next steps are to writefag the event, photshop it as part of bretonnia's timeline and set up a future for that lone knight

such things must not get forgotten

What does sex with a Keeper of Secrets feel like?

>>54893318
We don't know, nobody's survived it to tell us.

>>54893318
It's really dissapointing.

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>>54893318
Imagine getting your dick inside a blender
while also injecting lethal doses of dopamines directly into your brain and opening a chinese fortune cookie telling you exactly what you wanted to read in an extremely degrading tone
100% humidity but not a single drop of sweat, such heat that your body convulses in muscle shattering chills and smells so thick you are better off smelling them with the taste buds of your butt
in addition, leather, latex, a cat tongue and hooks over and into every surface and orifice
and a lot of pink

>>54892903
In Thanquol's first appearance, he sabotaged the planned attack on Nuln by informing to Gotrek and Felix because he didn't want other skaven to get credit for taking over Nuln.

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>>54893521

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>>54893112
Really? I thought they'd tried to conquer Marienburg at one point. But speaking of, can you tell which picture is of Nordlanders and which is of Marienburgers? I'm guessing you can't - you'd think it'd be easy enough to add a little red for Marienburg, maybe make the shades of blue more distinct.

>>54893207
Well, the surviving knight had heraldry of Artois.

>2497: A baron of Artois, in accordance with an ancient treaty, sends a force of knights to aid a Nordland city besieged by the northmen. Making their way inside the city under the cover of a Nordlander sally, the Bretonnian knights help hold back Norscan marauders with their charges. At the bleakest point of the battle, when the Nordlanders are wavering in holding their last line of defense, the Bretonnians smash into the Norscan lines in a suicidal charge, rallying the defenders long enough for the servants of Chaos to break and flee. One battered, wounded knight survived, lauded as a hero and raising the spirits of the townsfolk during the bleakness of rebuilding.

>To this day that Nordland city is one of the few places in the northern Empire where you can insult Bretonnians and earn a fist to the face, and Bretonnian nobles who pass through there have learned not to call the locals peasants. A shrine to the Lady was erected as a gesture of goodwill, but she has no real following and it has slowly fallen into disrepair. Questing Knights who travel into the Empire usually stop there. On the anniversary of the battle, an upstanding citizen is decked in a garishly colorful surcoat, opens a cask of Bretonnian brandy, and presides over a feast and mock jousts. Most Bretonnians who watch the festivities are either bemused or insulted.

>>54887235
Kislev ice witch

Sold my Tomb Kings. I needed the cash, but I'm still sad.

They were never getting painted.

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>>54893729

>>54893521
that's kind of hot!

>>54893810
>they wuznt kangz

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>>54894028

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>>54894028
>>54894196

/twg/'s been pretty productive lately.

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Been buying up 4th edition mounted heros for painting projects. Just bought this guy, the orc War Wyvern, a Chaos Dwarf on a Lammasu, and the Chaos Champion van Hortsmann, with three out of the four being in box.

>>54894248
I always wanted to paint Van Horstmann since I was a kid. I looked recently and he was about £80.

>>54894289
More like $80. I never buy anything off eB ay, they always overcharge there. Better to get stuff through the Oldhammer Facebook groups.

>>54894229
Tabalcland is great, but I don't like the colors.

>>54886523
>>54889684
I still think the caption is inappropriate.
His condescension is very external.

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Reminder chaos dwarfs did NOTHING wrong

Where was Grimnir when our warriors were dying? Where was Valaya when our children sickened? When we called out for aid in the deep places where we delved, it was not Grungni who answered our call, but mighty Hashut who delivered us in our time of need. Who are the real traitors here? Our kin who abandoned us to madness and death or we who only sought to survive against the forces of Chaos? One day there will be a reckoning and it will be the Sons of the Father of Darkness who will have the victory, not the weak willed spawn of the pathetic Ancestor Gods

>>54888859
They probably keep blinded human and elf men as breeding stock.

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>>54894560
>Survive Chaos by sellling yourself to Chaos

It would have been better to die, unbaraki, and die you will.

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>>54894560

Preach it.

>>54894673
>lizardmen
>evil

>>54894560
If your kind are so great how come you aren't relevant?

>>54894673
Go fucking kill yourself. Edge lord Makeleith had a choice. He became evil because he was a little bitch

>>54894560
>daddy didn't answer me so I'm going to shit on the planet as this devil told me instead of dying as I was supposed to do

literally archaon the edgehog tier

>>54894576
>be empire peasant
>get taken by dark elves
>get eyes gouged out and tossed into a pit
>get qt snek waifu to comfort and have family with
Sucks about them being essentially dogs in the head.

>>54894673
>>54894716
Not only that, but arguably beastmen are 'just obeying their nature' and chaos are 'seeking to change society as a whole'. This chart is full of shit.

>>54894633
One thing Dawi and Asur can agree upon is that the Chaos Dwarves need to be exterminated, along with anything else out of the North.

>>54888794
Khorne is a god. Every little thing he does is magic.

But with the Brass skull, was he smiting that Bloodthirster?

Because killing one of his own, ir guving his guys a battlefield worth fighting on are dofferent to just killing his warriors enemies for them.

>>54894910
All dawi know that one day they might die. These oathbreakers were not abandoned, their greed and undwarfen ways took them far from the help of their kin in pursuit of deeps that were best left undelved, and when their call for aid came, there was nothing to be done. They ought to have done as any honorable dwarf would do and die well. Instead they sold themselves to daemons.

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What is the most over the top grudge ever declared by the dwarfs?

>>54894949
destroying an entire mountain

>>54894560
They made a slave species and then lost control of their slaves. They did SOMETHING wrong.

>>54894970
Explain

>>54895007
During a battle, a bunch of dwarfs were killed by a landside, so the dwarfs declared a grudge against the mountain itself and vowed to mine it hollow and then grind it down to gravel.

Do people usually specc Thorgrim towards melee, or towards buffing the other units in his army?

>>54894947
The Asur know well the pain of kin turned traitor and pawns to the fell powers. Perhaps, through joint efforts, we might achieve what we cannot alone and both avenge an insult to your worthy ancestors and strike out a grudge in the Dammaz Kron, as well as deprive the dark gods of their foul servants? I know well that the Dawi have little cause to trust the Asur; the blood spilled on both sides could fill an ocean... But we both stand to gain by this; surely on that much, we can agree.

>>54895253
buffing his army.
thanes pick uo the slack well

>>54894248
How much did you pay for the Lammasu, I've been meaning to start a Chaos Dwarf army.

>>54895299
Hah, no. Fuck off and die elfboi.

>>54895299
Look, the dwarves aren't going to buddy up on their personal shame. It's like the Dark Angels and the Fallen, though dwarves don't kill whoever finds out. It's just personal.

>>54892129
>slightly red eyes
>flushed cheeks
She was getting some fun time.

>>54894560
>Reminder chaos dwarfs did NOTHING wrong

You did everything wrong. You failed to follow the cardinal Dwarf rule.

When the universe gives you a raw deal, you don't turn to evil, you get super pissed and wreck shop until the last Dwarf draws breath. And as that last Dwarf dies, he dies giving the finger. And then the king adds that to the book so for all time people will be wrecking shop for you until the injustice is repaid.

>>54894673
VC have so many variations of motives that you could fit every bloodline and major character on each tier of that chart.

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>>54895864
This one gets it.

>>54895864
Yours is a weak spirit, and when Dawi Zharr boots march into the heart of the Karaks to return the herotage that is rightfuly theres, your bones will be the gravel that salts our path.

>>54895904
>Elder God Tier: Strigoi (pre-fall of Mourkain)
Great Tier: Lahmians
>High Tier: Strigoi
>Mid Tier: Blood Dragons
>Meh Tier: Luthor Harkon, Necrarchs
>Shit Tier: Von Carsteins

Twisting things to fit the list please don't bully

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>>54896031
>herotage

But seriously, the Chaos Dwarves never seem interested in attacking their untainted kin. You'd think that'd be a bigger part of their backstory, and an excuse to fight people beyond acquiring slaves. I actually like how they were presented in the Tamurkhan book, setting up a forward base instead of just pillaging as they went and not trying to consolidate their path of escape.

>>54896031
It may be that the dwarfen kingdoms fall one day, though I doubt it will be at the hands of honorless, crippled mutants, worse than the most faithless elf or changeable manling. No matter the ending, none will say that the dwarfs did not demand a kingly price for every inch, every life, every breath of the dwarfen civilization. But as for your degenerate lot? Assuming you still live, your masters will feed you to your own furnaces for fuel. A fitting end for a worthless people.

>>54889705
By definition though, heretical sects aren't representing their god(ess). You could have a "heretical sect" devoted to Khorne who are just women who offer up their menstrual blood; it doesn't suddenly make Khorne the god of menstrual blood, or mean that he appreciates the "offering."

>>54890177
I assume you're talking about the Plague Wardens?

>As Plague Wardens kill people, it goes without saying they are considered dangerous, and worse by most members of Shalka's cult. Shallyan priestesses who join the heretic cult almost always have difficulty casting spells, due to repeatedly breaking the central stricture of the faith. Plague Wardens see this as a test imposed by their Goddess, to ensure their faith is strong.

It's pretty clear that the strictures imposed by the gods are how they want their followers to act, and breaking those strictures makes it much more difficult to get the favor of your god and cast miracles. The fact that they can sometimes do any miracle at all is more due to luck of the dice (getting disfavor makes it harder to cast, but doesn't take it away completely) than anything else.

>>54896060
Aren't the Von Carsteins only in it because they think their bloodline is the only legitimate heir to the Empire? They're not evil for the sake of it, they're just aristocrats making a claim of legitimacy.

So, since we're all talking about Chaos Dwarves already, did they have any role in the End Times? I know they'd basically been squatted by GW proper for almost 20 years by the time End Times rolled around, but I'm curious.

>>54896098
>>54896108

What are the Dawi Zharr planning? All their slavery and industry, but minimal expansion. Sure, they produce arms and armour for other factions but...there must be something greater on the cards.

Personally, I'm a fan of the notion that Hashut did indeed come from Morrslieb and has been guiding the Dawi Zharr to a point where they can produce a daemon-possessed rocket and get him back home.

>>54896141
You have a point about heretical sects, but it can be hard to be certain. Like, take the Doorkeepers - a sect of Morr that believes that anyone that prevents Morr from obtaining the dying, including doctors and Shallyans, should be killed. They were denounced as followers of Khaine, but they still believe they're holding true to Morr's teachings, and technically they aren't breaking any of his tenants, since his strictures are focused on the proper rites for and protection of the dead.

>>54887959
There are the Lahmian vampires from the 6th edition VC release. They're a bit hard to find now, though.

>>54896239
I don't think they're ever given an end game. I think they're just dwarves turned up to 11. Mega Jews who want all of the gems and ore to build even more ludicrous monuments to Hashut, and need lots of slaves to do it. So any goal would be largely unsupported speculation.

Of course I've only read the White Dwarf articles, so maybe the FW bool expands on it.

>>54896200
I put them in that category more for the 'lust for power' part. They claim their bloodline is the only legitimate heir, and that may even arguably be true, but the only reason they want to rule the Empire is to create an undead Empire.

>>54895864
>the last Dwarf draws breath
>the king adds that to the book
I feel I've found a slight problem with your plan.

>>54896239
That's dumb anon, I'm sorry but someone needs to say it. I think chaos dwarfs end game is acquire more material wealth, design ever greater technology, build bigger monuments acquire slaves. They're kinda like dark eldar where their objectives are inward focused not outwards.

>>54896239
Well, maybe on some level all the industry and slave-taking is just to fuel their own desires - experimentation to create new weapons, sacrifices for Hashut, stuff like that. Could also be arguably to slowly expand their civilization and the worship of their patron god - they seem remarkably patient and not prone to large expansion projects, though that might be because they're surrounded by hostile forces on all sides. It might just be that they're selfish enough they don't care about the rest of their world beyond what they take for their benefit.

But it could also just be that Chaos Dwarves are industrious because Hashut is something of a god of industry. He likes all the furnaces and sacrifices, and stokes the greed of the Chaos Dwarves. The end goal might be whatever makes Hashut happy, because they are tied to him as much as he is tied to them.

Do regular Dwarfs acknowledge that Chaos Dwarfs exist?

>>54896416
They seem to be doing something right. Apparently there is no beastman infestation in the darklands.

>>54896476
Yes.

>>54896476

They don't really talk about it with other races IIRC.

>find out i missed an army book
>get excited to read Dogs of War for some southern realm fluff
>there's just a single paragraph of fluff in it
what the heck guys

>>54896310
Given that the main cult denounced them as heretics and hunted them down, and Morr regularly communicates to the main Cult through dreams, and there's no mention of a "No seriously, these guys are legit" dream...no, it's not "hard to be certain."

I mean, fuck, Morr is married to the goddess of justice and has the goddess of HEALING as his daughter. You really think he's just totally fine with fucking up and murdering doctors for saving lives??

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Anyone care to put a 2e group together? I'd like to run a bi-weekly campaign for practice so I can get better at DMing for my other friends, and possibly improve on my improv and speaking.

I'll likely run it from roll20, and have a Discord for staying in contact for OOC.

>>54896615
I don't know - frankly, Morr doesn't seem to care about anything beyond protecting the dead. The living world is not his domain.

And come on, the dream thing is called into question at multiple points - sometimes not all cultists get dreams, or only one out of a group gets a dream, or there's even room for dreams being faked. Political struggles and actions that threaten the main cult are phrased in terms of dreams from Morr.

>>54896688
>I don't know - frankly, Morr doesn't seem to care about anything beyond protecting the dead. The living world is not his domain.

Morr is going to care a lot more about murder than he does about someone getting another 80 years (if saving a baby) of life. It's explicitly pointed out that he's patient because everyone comes to him in the end. The reason he hates Necromancers and Vampire is because they avoid "the end" entirely, and that's fucking cheating.

To go into more detail on the 'don't murder now, mmm'kay?' bit: Morr despises murder, because murder gives his brother Khaine a chance at snagging the soul instead of Morr. Whether or not doing proper funerary rites protect the soul against this is debatable, but Morr isn't going to appreciate it either way. After all, you don't always get the chance for a proper funeral after you fucking murder somebody since their bodyguard or the town watch might take exception.


>And come on, the dream thing is called into question at multiple points - sometimes not all cultists get dreams, or only one out of a group gets a dream, or there's even room for dreams being faked. Political struggles and actions that threaten the main cult are phrased in terms of dreams from Morr.

And yet there's not even a mention of a FAKED dream saying "These guys are cool." They make no effort to justify themselves beyond "Oh, the cult got so offended when we went on a killing spree, clearly they're under the sway of dark gods."

>>54896654
Depending on the time and day, I'd be interested.

>>54896887
>he reason he hates Necromancers and Vampire is because they avoid "the end" entirely, and that's fucking cheating.
That and the whole "stealing souls from his realm" thing, yeah

>>54896946
I'll likely be running it on Saturdays every other week. Time will be based on availability of the players.

>>54896491
No major infestations, but I imagine some travel down from the Chaos Wastes, or have managed to hide out in the thick forests in the south of the Dark Lands.

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>>54896239
This is their plan.

>>54897174
Yep, according to the Ogre Kingdoms book, there are some Beastmen in both those areas.

>>54889651
>Euthanasia is the same as murder

Hoo boy. 6/10 for getting me to respond.

A Shallyan (Shallyaian? Shallyiest?) Serial Killer being a roving priest searching for people on their death bed and talking them into offing themselves would be a great antagonist concept while still skirting the lines of heresy.

>>54895317
About $50 or so. Again, this is through facebook deals so the prices there are always cheaper.

>>54897331
Shallya's stricture doesn't say "Avoid murder." It says "Avoid killing."

Learn how to fucking read.

>>54897377
>Assisted suicide is the same as killing.

Feel better numbnuts?

What point are you trying to argue, you rancid twat? That a crazy Shallyan could go around helping dying people kill themselves while still thinking they were doing the right thing?

Fuck off, you silly cunt.

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>>54896654
>>54896946
>>54896978

Contact info and more info about the game will be here.

>>54897930

>>54896239
>Chaos Dwarfs
>Can make functional submarine
>Know how rockets work
>Can bind demons to items

If anyone could get to the moon, the Chaos Dwarfs could do it.

And the Skaven, but they've got enough bodies to throw at it.

>Skaven/Cdorf space race

Is there a WFRP 2e book with rules or at least some information or advice for running large(ish) scale combat? My players dodged a low tier orc boss while he was doing some recruiting in the countryside and I want him to come back and bite them in the ass so the next village they're stopping at is gonna be sent a small detachment of state troops to help deal with an incoming raid and I need a way to keep track of a fight between 100-200 combatants in a way that leaves a little room for randomness.

Good Man o' War proxies?

>>54898979
Printed dick pics.

>>54898552
A fan book called Regiments of Renown

>>54899037

I said Man o' war, not dinghy.

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>>54888149
>Just have Khorne Sorcery be different, guttural, primitive and direct. You want seventeen cocks or mind control people? That ain't Khorne. Khorne gives you a screaming skull missile that explodes the heads of your enemies into more screaming skulls.

If anything Khorne magic should be more about channeling raw magical power through the maintenance of slaughter. I'm talking berzerkers enhancing their already potent capacity with magical vigor and Aztek-like industrial human sacrifices by costumed priests performing a ritualized retelling of the human struggle.

>>54892445
Finubar already had children before becoming king...

>>54899207
Anybody have a link for this? It's not in any of the pastebins and all of the googling I've done just led me to the official skirmish game.

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Anybody have a PDF of Forge of War?

>>54899841
Hey, assholes. GW is doing a survey to see which old novel they want to reprint. Vote for Dracenfels.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/15/returning-classic-novels-your-vote-counts-aug-15gw-homepage-post-4/

>>54888222
Except for some crusader state/s I sincerely believe that those are just placeholders for the inevitable Tomb Kings and likely Araby dlc.

Where can I find some Vampire Lords lore?

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>>54899995
The Knights of Origo are probably going to stay, since they are in the lore, if old. Knights of the Flame and Thegan Crusaders, as far as I can tell, have absolutely no mention anywhere, so they're probably stand-ins. The Strygos Empire and the Necrarch Brotherhood seem more convincing, but we all know the former is supposed to be farther north, and we know where the Tomb Kings should be.

At the same time, I really hope that we can make use of those factions in another way, because I'd hate having them just be wasted potential. I was surprisingly happy to see the Skaelings and Vargs are still around despite the Norscan changes. Maybe the Strygos Empire can spawn near the Black Mountains and work its way down into the Badlands like an Orc horde and conquer a province about where Mourkain should be - I've seen Orcs do that with ruined provinces, so it doesn't seem like that much a stretch. And Araby might be beset by crusaders after they reach a certain point - or if they're playable (or maybe with the Tomb Kings) you could be attacked by roving crusader armies instead of actual Bretonnian or Empire armies if they declare war.

Even if CA doesn't make use of them, at least keeping them in the game files could be useful for modders.

>>54894196
>Non FW
This should be replaced with Warmaster desu

>>54895148
Did they suceed?

>>54894976
And that slave species happened to Headbutt the Neverchosen to oblivion, so they did something right

>>54896235
Grimgor destroyed their fortresses, they got completely killed off in the background

They may have been namedropped at some points, but nothing noteworthy

Any templates for the WFB battle magic cards out there?

Can't find anything in the various pastebins or megas.

Can, and do, Witch Hunters operate outside of the Empire?

>>54900578
Your fuckups doing something right doesn't change the fact that you fucked up.

>>54900780
Sort of and yes. Unofficial witch hunters don't give a fuck about somethung like jurisdiction, and official ones could go outside the borders chasing a lead - though they probably wouldn't normally work outside of the Empire.

>>54899995
True. But it's just lazy as fuck.

>>54896239
If you go by Old World Bestiary, their endgame seems to be "survive," while continuing to pursue their own fortunes and serve Hashut.

>>54900092
Night's Dark Masters

>>54900566
Of course, dawri.

>>54900780
I'm assuming you mean Templars of Sigmar, members of the Order of the Silver Hammer.

With permission from local authorities they may. They sometimes do WITHOUT authority, as they tend to be die-hards who consider that their mission supercedes petty secular authority. Still, the more rational ones will contact local authorities who can be trusted to help or do it themselves. In Bretonnia, that's the Damsels and their Grail Knights. In Kislev, that's the Chekist.

>>54886554
No difference, they even use the same mechanics.

>>54893049
The ideal would be some actual tabletop-game discussions aswell. *Cough* Forsaken.

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>>54894196
>a supported model range.
None of the factions have this anymore.

>>54894248
That dragon actually looks really good. I'm surprised that the model actually worsened over the editions.

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*blocks your path*

>>54900578
Do Black Orcs still have some deep seated worship of Hashut?

You know what makes me laugh? One of the better Warhammee novels features a psycopathic transgendered serial killer, but nobody ever uses it to try and troll the general.

>>54897863
Helping kill someone would, in fact, vuolate the stricture of "Avoid killing," dumbass.

>>54902006
Prove it. You're arguing moral relatavism now.

Additionally, you're also arguing a serial killer would be sane enough to know they are going against their scriptures. So there's that.

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>>54894673
>Saurus
>villain

>>54902135
They are more likely to want kill human, elf or dwarf than talk to them.

>>54902145
wrong

they only kill when they did something wrong, before that they are more than willingly, even predisposed to understand what the fuck the warmbloods want.

>>54902006
>Helping someone commit suicide is the same as killing a person

I've pissed in your popcorn, news at 11.

>>54898406
Real Chaos Dwarfs don't have submarines, the one from Dreadfleet was a dwarf from Barak-Varr who was corrupted, not a Dawi Zharr.

>>54902213
Whatever he was before, he's a Chaos Dwarf now.

>>54899879
Vote for Zavant instead, it's actually good.

>>54902271
I've never read, what's the premise?

>>54902189
>they only kill when they did something wrong, before that they are more than willingly, even predisposed to understand what the fuck the warmbloods want.
If you think regular Dwarf grudges are bad, wait 'til they find out the Lizardmen ruined their civilization because space aliens said so.

>>54902317
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF//z/zavant.pdf

>>54891975
heh. what lesser races

>>54902328
Lizardmen are kind of a mess as civilization goes. They're led by giant sleepy frogs who follow instructions that don't really make sense any more, if they can be bothered to wake up to issue orders. In the mean time, the lower thinking class has turned to blood sacrifice and superstition, and the warrior class slaughter everyone who enters their lands based on "they shouldn't be here", something one of the sleepy frogs said about some elves who entered the area.

>>54890640
It's not that you go insane, it's that you look insane.
>stumble onto opening in sewers
>follow it and see the countless swarms of furred disease and savagery
>run to the town guard
>the hole is suddenly gone when you go to point it out
>you spend weeks trying to convince everyone there is a tide of chaos under the city
>priests start to see you doomsaying on corners and condemn you
>locked up whispering "they are comming..." through the bars

Higher up all know skaven exsist, but don't want the people to lose faith and panic. Imagine if aliens suddenly showed up, people on earth would go nuts.

>>54901995
That character wasn't transgender, but abused into living as a man.

>>54902737
Men in Black was retarded on that front. Oooh, can't let anyone know about the aliens that have been here 50 years because people will figure out we've been lying about aliens for 50 years.

It's either "oh hey, we found evidence of alien life and we're not interacting" or war of the worlds shit where everyone figures out real fucking quick what's going on.

Same deal with the skaven really. Keeping them a secret serves no purpose unless you're looking at avoiding a short term panic. Otherwise, the secret isn't going to stay that way when giant rat men start flooding up from the sewers. The only thing secret about them is that they've got a fairly advanced civilization, which is a huge contrast to your standard beastman tribe that lives in the woods and occasionally shows up to murder, rape, and shit in the streets.

>>54901773
*steps over you*

What kind of Mary Sue levels are required for an elf to fall in love with a human?

>>54902957
To digress a bit from the topic, men in black was completely in the right. Humans can hardly stand each other. People have died over shoes and bandana colors. When you have a multitude of different aliens with tech that could obliterate the planet in an instant, you don't introduce the local hooligan who will probably just shank it for being weird.

As for the skaven, it's a matter of legitimate will to live. Finding out that the "bastions of sigmar that will sheild and protect you" that you pay taxes on is nothing more then dust in the wind, you lose faith in your protectors. Also yea, beast men are scary and known, but tell your peasant farmer that they are now equip with massive deadly tech and about 40 meters below you in uncountable numbers...but we are taking half your crops because don't worry everything is fine. We all know the end is coming, but humans are weird: we'd rather not be reminded of it.

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SKAVEN TRAILER OUT

IT'S GOOD AND SURPRISINGLY LONG

GO TO /twg/ TO FIND IT

>>54902957
A race that spans the planet, whose population out numbers humanity by an order of magnitude.

>>54902905
So someone who is forced to live as a different gender for so long they develop a derangement over it isn't transgendered?

>>54902348
Warhammer Sherlock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8EQ1KNkpmw

>>54894684
Being a villain =/= being evil.

>>54903319
>we all know the end is coming
>meme times

>>54903403
wtf I wanted tomb kings

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High Elf trailer never? I guess they didn't want two elf armies after each other.

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>>54903403

DOOMWHEELS!

>>54903473
BUT MOOOOOOOOOM

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY AS PONTUS

>>54903403
what is that huge thing that pummels the dragon at the end of the trailer?

>>54903499
I'm afraid they're going to get the Empire role. Kicked around in every fucking trailer, not really great at anything, even the best unit is mediocre, the AI gets it's head caved in..

>>54903510
Hellpit abomination, imagine abunch of skaven mutated and merged together and you have a picture of what it is

>>54903403
CA's worst in-engine trailer yet.

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>>54903510

>>54903547
Yeah it was pretty lackluster

>>54903403

>High Elves not getting slaughtered.

What is this abomination?!

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>>54903521
Considering their central placement on the map, it somewhat makes sense. What reason do the Dark Elves even have to show up in Lustria? They are all about attacking Ulthuan. Meanwhile High Elves have to move to Lustria and defend themselves against the Dark Elves.

>>54903676
They want to seize Vortex.

>>54903403
I think I had an evilgasm.

>>54903389
>So someone who is forced to live as a different gender for so long they develop a derangement over it isn't transgendered?

No.

>>54903403
Why are Skaven treated as a horror faction? They are the comedy faction.

>>54903764
they have potential to be both
TWWH fortunately cut down on slapstick comedy, so they are full-on horror.

>>54903539
It's not a bunch of Skaven. It's an underground wyvern/dragon forcefed Warpstorm and then had Skaven bits stretched on it.

>>54903764
They can be both depending on how they're written
Just like how 40k orks are either the comic relief or the unrelenting grimdark green tide of horrible violence

>>54900203
I agree with everything you say.

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What advice would you give to someone starting an infantry-heavy Empire army?
Using Perry minis

>>54903764
From the trailer it seems they are kinda comedic on a rat by rat basis but are horror as a faction.

>>54903816
Don't skimp on the artillery. Unless you want people to play you again.

>>54901867
Only what can be hinted at from banners.

>>54903906
There is literally nothing wrong with 4 hellblaster volley guns in a 2000 point game.

>>54903403
Where is the Thanquol

>>54904298
Where is Krell?

But seriously, just because he was a big name book character won't mean he's in. Otherwise Gotrek and Felix would be.

>>54904355
G&F are known to be planned and dialogue was even found for Felix. Thanquol has been in huge demand.

>>54904355

>Where is Krell?

He's a summon creature of the necromancer with the pointy hat.

>>54904457

You can make him a hero with a mod though.

>>54904298
Best rat has to be in there.

>>54903547
>>54903574

The Lizardmen one was infinitely worse.

>>54904182
Yes there is.

t. WoC-player.

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>>54904695
Why don't you ask you gods for help, lel

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>>54903403
*kills your waifu*

>>54887459
I thought that continent to the southeast was much farther east of Lustria than that and more directly South of the old world.

>>54904926
>she

>>54905045
It is, the map is squished for the convenience of the game. Naval combat plays no part in this game so there's no point in having a giant sea.

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Skaven are cute.

>>54905087
I wish to pat that rat.

>>54901637
There's been a little of that - I've at least seen some battle reports. But I guess it's hard to have a lot of tabletop discussion when the community has shrunk and scattered. A lot of people just sold their armies after End Times.

>>54905087
Not going to lie, they look just a little Redwall-ish to me, especially that left one.

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>>54903403
You did it, reddit rats
You got the best in emgine trailer of TWW2

You deserved it after the months of complete silence
See you online

>>54905341
I still think the Beastmen trailer, maybe even the Undead trailer, is one of the best ones. Bretonnia's is one of the worst in my opinion.

>>54905380
I like Bretonnia's, but it isn't even really a trailer, just their intro video.

>>54905436
It's not horrible, don't get me wrong. The knight's vow reading in the trailer was good, and the battle against Mousilion can really help hype things up.

But the Beastmen trailer is amazing - in my opinion - for how it shows a beastmen raid and sort of tells the story of that Outrider who tries to get out alive. It's not as epic as armies clashing, but it gives you a real sense of fear about what the Beastmen can do. The Vampire Counts trailer is at least similar in that regard, since it has that Witch Hunter and his soldiers getting ambushed, all while getting taunted by Mannfred (with the great 'the dark is my realm, the grave my throne' line).

But after that we seem to be having a lot more trailers with armies clashing and such, and it feels a little less imaginative and creative.

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> mosh pit of final bosses instead of just one which everyone ends up fighting
> High Elves: Caledor Dragontamer
> Dark Elves: N'kari
> Skaven: Skreech
> Lizardmen: ???