Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

>>54794568
>MHXA

y tho

pathfinder is a meme

>>54794498
How much realism do you expect from your games, /pgg/, and how will that translate to starfinder?

>>54794588
Because they have shit taste.

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What stats would a Chaos warrior have?

Is the cabal the same as the /pgg/ server?

>>54794676
No. The /pgg/ server is open to all. Cabals are not.

>>54794676
There's two main servers, one run by InspectorCM which is open to the public, and the Cabal is run by Broodie and is primarily a hub for NSFW content and people who want to feel superior to the people who aren't invited to their secret club.

What this ends up doing, however, is making an environment where things worthy of being "leaked" happen in the Cabal, which then makes people pissed when they're publicly called out on it by their fellow users. They then say things like "hey why don't you tell us who you are so we can ban you" which is honestly one of the dumbest things you can say with the expectation that it will actually work.

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>>54794568

Volley Gun

Firearm Exotic, 1d10 (per barrel) x4 40feet Full round per barrel

This nine barreled musket is designed for ship to ship firing by marines. Specifically firing all nine barrels down from a crow's nest onto enemy officers.

The Volley Gun can be fired two ways. At a single target, where every single loaded barrel adds an addition d10 to the damage roll, with a cumulative -2 per barrel fired.

Or as a scatter weapon, dealing 1/2 the Barrels loaded in d10s (round down). This can only be done with at least half the barrels loaded.

>>54794777
>They then say things like "hey why don't you tell us who you are so we can ban you" which is honestly one of the dumbest things you can say with the expectation that it will actually work.
That sounds enough like retarded Broodie to be true too.

>>54794777
Honestly i mostly say that as a joke, I know there's no way anyone would ever own up to it

But as a troll they should have given me a false answer at least once, come on.

>>54794883
T-thanks.

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Friendly reminder that Captain Slow's foxtits character is shitting on everyone in Journey to the West here: >>54592385

>I'm playing an extremely powerful fox sorceress who playfully threatened a tengu king with roasting him over an open fire when he was a coward who wouldn't go after a BBEG

>The build I have for her will eventually be able to stop time. At will. At level 20. Among other bullshit God wizard abilities.

>Am I doing it right if I'm playing this yokai fox as an extremely powerful sorceress who does not understand human right/wrong in most contexts, and knows PRECISELY how bullshit her wizardry is and will lord it over the rest of the party, consisting of weaker casters and martials? But still offer them my help because that bastard necromancer villain killed my childhood best friend and now I want pay back?

>Do I get points taken off if it's Golarion, aka Pathfinder, and I justify her taking on a human appearance more like a normal European woman because she was adopted by an important soldier who found her in the woods of the one nation in the Asia equivalent that was basically colonized by Britain/Germany?

>Am I doing it right /tg/?

>>54794912
I thought Grim wasn't captain slow.

also tamamo is worst girl

>>54794912
Oh, fuck off with your conjecture. You're stirring a shit-pot with no actual evidence.

>>54794912
I'm pretty sure foxtits isn't Captain Slow (unless it's a sockpuppet).

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Friendly reminder that this is the first /pfg/ Starfinder game recruiting.

http://discord.gg/YAk263j

https://app.roll20.net/join/2470196/97jKWg

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didn't play pathfinder but do this make sense or i am just a fag who don't understands the rules? it's from the icon theme.

>>54795006
No.
Starfinder is bad.

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>>54795047

but I like it...

>>54795098
That's because you're mentally challenged, sweetie.

hey I have weapon finesse and in one level I'll have the ninja trick that gives me dex DMG on finesse weapons.

Silly question but can I wield Scimitars as a 2 handed weapon for extra DMG even when using Dex for DMG?

>>54795006
>one shot a mysterious man wants you to do something for him...........

Nah sounds gay

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>>54795126

Are you sure you're not just salty, Anon-kun?

You sound pretty salty.

>>54795165
No, I'm just upset with how poorly written the CRB is, the fact that there is no bestiary and the terrible state that is the Solarian.

>>54795176
>the fact that there is no bestiary
I feel the need to point out that both 5e DnD and Pathfinder had their bestiaries printed 2 months after the core book. This is nothing new, and will be forgotten in short order, no doubt.

As for the rest... yes, agreed.

>>54795176
I'm right there with you. The envoy needs help and the book needs more editing.

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>>54795176
You're complaining about the solarian but not the envoy?

>>54795198
Yes, but those systems have monsters in their rulebooks.

Starfinder has a single monster, with terrible math... and a section on porting from Pathfinder.

So basically here's what I'm hearing about Starfinder

>The soldier is cool
>everything else is a disaster.

>>54795006
>Discord join link
>Roll20 join link

Yeah, I bet it'll be good, and I'm sure the GM can run a functioning group for a whole 4 hours.

You people are so stuck in the pathfinder math mindset to understand the new small buffs

>>54795227
Mechanic is cool.

>>54795293
>muh stuck mindset

>>54795228
Arkwright's run lots of games before.

>>54795227
The mages are fine as well, and mechanic is still good. It's operative (OP), Envoy (Shit), and Solarian (Mediocre) that are the actual problems. The other four classes are fine.

Any word on intrigue game? Any new characters?

>>54795311
No.

If you tried this bullshit I'd kick you from the game immediately.

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Starfinder core rulebook, page 168:
>Weapons that use standard ammunition (arrows, charges, darts, mini-rockets, petrol, rounds, scattergun shells, etc.) are sold preloaded.

Would this not mean that a character could purchase a 100-credit scattergun to gain a 330-credit high-capacity battery?

Starfinder core rulebook, page 216:
>Items with a specified usage use a battery that comes fully charged when purchased.

Is the battery a maximum capacity possible for the item, or a regular battery?

If the former is the case, then would that not mean that a character could purchase a 7-credit personal comm unit, which comes with a 390-credit super-capacity battery that can be sold for 39 credits? Is this not an infinite loop?

If the latter is the case, then you could purchase 1-credit flashlights/lanterns that come with 60-credit batteries, and then sell off the batteries for 6 credits each. This is an uncontestable, infinite loop.

There is now a method of gaining unlimited credits right from character creation.

Why isn't DHB part of the cabal discord?

>>54795325
>Joining a game hosted by the 2hu Defense Force Captain

>>54795408
he doesn't like discord.

>>54795412
He joined the other pfg discord.

>>54795427
Oh, well in that case because he hasn't asked to get in.

>>54795427
Probably because that one doesn't have 2hu and his defense force.

>>54795404
2hu you don't need to delete posts, just make another post with a correction
stop being autistic

>>54795034

Nope, it SHOULD be decrease.

>>54795404
probably a regular battery, rather than a super capacity battery. the RAW doesn't say high-capacity battery or anything, just battery, so a regular battery

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>>54795404
>Would this not mean that a character could purchase a 100-credit scattergun to gain a 330-credit high-capacity battery?

I mean you're not wrong, but as a DM I would rule the battery that came with the scattergun is made specifically for that scattergun

same with the personal comm unit, and the sell price for the battery is lowered because of this

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>>54795450
>>54795455

If technological items come with regular batteries, then this paves the way for an infinite loop: purchasing 1-credit flashlights/lanterns that come with 60-credit batteries.

You can then sell the batteries for 6 credits each.

>>54795434
>person with life defining mental dysfunction that affects how you interact with other people in every single way, could you stop having mental dysfunction?

>>54795483
Why should we have to be victims of your boyfriend's autism, Arkwright?

>>54795404
>>54795311
>implying anyone will buy a second hand battery

>>54795476
sounds about right

kek.

>>54795495
fully charged senpai, just repackage that shit

>>54795476
They're clearly the space equivalent of store-brand batteries, which cannot be resold.

>>54795476
not really, the 60-credit battery is an all purpose battery

the 1-credit flashlights have flashlight batteries which would be worth less than 1 credit

the infinite loop assumes

a) all equipment use the regular batteries from the ammunition table

b) these batteries can be removed and sold, and these merchants are selling at a lost

>>54795483
I mean, he's been told this before.
It just makes him look like even more of a sperg, in between his outbursts of how he can't run games because of his crippling auts, or ruining systems for others because he breaks them on purpose to point out his numbers mastery and why munchkins are terrible to play with

Hey guys what if i sawed the poles off a ladder and then sold the poles separately?!

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>>54795509
>>54795516

Now, there is one thing I see stopping this infinite loop: flashlights/lanterns have a capacity of 10.

Does that mean that they come with a regular, 20-charge battery with some sort of "only 10 charges can be stored in this while in the flashlight/lantern" limitation?

Does that mean they come with a "special edition" 10-charge battery that cannot be sold due to no price being listed for them? If so, then does that mean that the other technological items come with batteries of the maximum capacity, such as a 390-credit, 80-charge battery for a 7-credit personal comm unit? Or, to put it in another way, if a 10-capacity flashlight comes with a 10-charge battery, does an 80-capacity personal comm unit come with an 80-charge battery?

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>>54795518
if you cut the poles into pieces you'd make even more money

>>54795528
nope

>>54795528
>>54795555

Separate batteries.
It's likely a system limitation(read; dev retardation) that means that they had to call the ammunition for weapons batteries, whereas the batteries for basic items are likely tailored to that specific item and are not up for resale.

>>54795437
oh, ok. that is what I was thinking about.

>>54795579

Yeah, literally every other theme has it decrease. That's just a mistake in the wording.

>>54794912
The thing that the person claiming to be Foxtits is not mentioning is that there are not one but three people with equally bullshit powers in the party. One can impose a -6 penalty to any mental stat (like wisdom) for at least one round and up to ten and follow that up with hideous curses and mental destruction attacks that their newly devastated will saving throw is useless to defend against; another is an initiator (which means instant death to anything not heavily buffed all over the place) who is literally one swing-kills-five-people-incidentally, and yet another can drop meteor swarms of crystal damage and 100' long walls of bludgeoning damage that the enemy takes damage from every time they pass through it.

There isn't a build in that game that can't overwhelm people, and most of them are not neutral or evil.

>>54795518
Actually, in PF, you don't have two poles, you have one ladder with the broken condition.

What pathfinder races would people most like to see converted to Starfinder?

>>54795408
What's DHB stand for?

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>>54795573

This is untrue. As per page 218, batteries are batteries and are interchangeable between weapons and other technological equipment:

>Items specified with a usage use a battery that comes fully charged when purchased. Such batteries can be recharged as normal using generators or recharging stations (see Professional Services on page 234), or they can be replaced (see Table 7-9: Ammunition for battery prices).

So then, suppose you purchase a 1-credit, 10-capacity flashlight or lantern. What kind of battery does it come with?

Say you then purchase a 7-credit, 80-capacity personal comm unit. What kind of battery does the comm unit come with?

>>54795518
A non-folding pole is worth 0 copper pieces, is it not?

>>54795612
depressed home brewer

>>54795625
For balance and RAI's sake, why don't we just assume that it works like the pathfinder ladder and the battery that comes with the item is considered to be a part of the item, and that removing it makes the stock battery broken and ergo worthless.

>>54795131
ya just swing it more dexterously

They are all Apple products
Solved

Anyone wanna suck and fuck a large nigger dick?

>>54795564
I've made millions selling pieces of sawdust

>>54795404

This logic is so stupid, if you're willing to play in a game where the DM or the players are willing to abuse infinite credit loops, you might as well just play with infinite money to begin with.

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>>54795625
the flashlight and personal comm unit comes with a cheaper battery tailored for them

the batteries in the ammunition table are special all-purpose batteries, which is why they cost more

>>54795703
they're good insulation!

>>54795711
Agreed. No self-respecting merchant would fall for this, this isn't a video game lol

>>54795711

Honestly, considering the constant gear trade ups you need to do and the fact you can only buy level+2 items at most (And can't buy ships at all), that likely wouldn't do much to hurt balance.

>>54795694
I do pm me at Luca#2406

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>>54795657

How can this be the case if the batteries are interchangeable as per page 218?

Do you prefer colourful mercenaries, like the Landsknechts,or more regimented ones resembling a regular army?

How can you presume the battery to be the one from the ammo table

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>>54795734

You could still purchase an arbitrarily high amount of 3rd-level consumables at 1st level. You could also buy a tier 10 computer with an arbitrary number of upgrades, miniaturized down to negligible bulk.

>>54795764

Page 218 directly references that very table.

>Items specified with a usage use a battery that comes fully charged when purchased. Such batteries can be recharged as normal using generators or recharging stations (see Professional Services on page 234), or they can be replaced (see Table 7-9: Ammunition for battery prices).

>>54795742
They can be replaced, they are not explicitly interchangeable.
I think it's quite the reasonable assumption to make that stock batteries which come with items do not hold the same retail value as those purchased as replacements.
For example, most TV remotes nowadays come with some off brand piece of crap korean battery, and you buy duracells or energizer to replace them when they die.

>>54795769
It just says the unknown starting batteries can be replaced by those batteries

>>54795612
Stands for lurk moar faggot.

>>54795517
2hu is just fucking stupid desu. Despite all his "logic" and "rationality" he won't listen to those that are by definition his superior in actual real person interactions (aka all non-autists).

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>>54795819
>lurk moar faggot.

>>54795843
>le funny weedman 420 blaze it lmao

>>54794912
They all have legendary items. At 20th level they will all be capable of some insane level bullshittery. The eugenics noble will have the same type of regeneration as the tarrasque, meaning nothing can stop her from regenerating, making her literally unkillable as well as having 9th level casting.

>>54795819
There's no need to defend the stupid battery rules.

>>54795555
And we do know charges are the same amount of, well, charge; the same generator, the same connection/port, the same amount of time = 1 charge for any of them.

>>54795625
>What kind of battery does the comm unit come with?
A Nokia BL-4B.

>>54795781
No no. They ARE explicitly interchangeable.
The reference page 218 makes is to weapon ammunition batteries. All batteries can be used, but have set individual capacities and charge levels.

A weapon's Capacity indicates the LARGEST type of battery that it can hold: a weapon could, for example, have a 70 charge listed capacity: This would be a dickass move as it would at best be able to use a high-capacity battery, not the super-capacity.

So, actually, the problem with getting a flashlight is that the smallest batteries available for sale are 20 charges. A 10 charge flashlight therefore comes with a non-existent 10 charge battery and therefore does not work.

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>>54795903
(You)

>>54796000
you aren't funny and neither are your images. No one is going to spoonfeed you

>>54795979
It says the items come with precharged batteries.
Nowhere does it say that these batteries can be pulled out and used in your weapon, only that they can be recharged or replaced.

>>54796008
I will spoonfeed him just to piss you off.

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>>54795979

This would imply the existence of "special edition" batteries that hold less than 20 charges.

But then, by this token, why would the personal comm unit not start with an 80-charge battery?

>>54795843
If you didn't bother look it up, you deserve a little ribbing.

What sort of powers or perks get eunuch characters?

>>54796025
They can't possibly have NOT noticed such obvious idiocy when they were writing all of this, let alone playtesting.

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>>54796008
>>54795655
How's it feel to be this retarded?

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Sorry, I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Is there still a +1 size modifier to attack and AC when you're small? Or is that just gone now?

Does size bonus still apply?

>>54796042
I think they did it just to fuck with autistic idiots and retarded morons who can't play the game.

>>54796085
There are no size bonuses or maluses for creatures in this edition.

>>54796040
What?

>>54796085
Yes, those modifiers still exist.

>>54796092
Is that also why they wrote the solarian the way they did?

>>54796042
Why would you make rules for situations that never come up

>>54796101
And the envoy...

>>54796096

For creatures, no but there is for spaceships.

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>>54796096
>>54796099
>>54796130

Thanks, so size modifiers still exist but they're just for ships now.

Im making my 4th envoy and it's a halfling, want to make sure I have it right.

>>54796130
No, spaceships get a small bonus to AC if they're Medium or Tiny.

>two serums of sex shift let you become a futa

nice

>>54796165
Not medium or tiny, small or tiny, sorry.

Currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane - intrigue
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles - lewd skulls and shackles
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers - "one-shot" about godslaying
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason - mint rebels, a rationalist spin on hell's rebels

Why didn't you finish your app yet, anon?

>>54796159
>envoys are so bad you've already lost 3

>>54796196
Because they're not Starfinder!

>>54794821

Any thoughts on this thing? or does nobody care about pathfinder anymore?

>>54796196
>Why didn't you finish your app yet, anon?
because I just want to kill things and you're making me write a backstory

>>54796196
Cuz I'm not getting up at 4am for fade to black pirate sex

>>54796196
>>54796216
Are there any Starfinder games recruiting?

>>54796205
lol no this is the 4th campaign I'm hoping to join

Envoys are too non-threatening for DMs to kill.

>>54796196
Cuz I've finished mine. Now I'm waiting for someone to review all of the Intrigue apps and all of the Skull and Shackles apps.

>>54796229

I can tell you for 10$ an hour.

>>54796229
There's one listed in this thread.

>>54795006

>>54795006
>One shot with 2hu

No. I don't need some autist ruining my game. Plus, one shots are shit.

>>54796279
>Plus, one shots are shit.
I'm actively seeking one-shots, so I can ghost everyone afterwards without feeling bad about it.

>>54796279
>One shot with 2hu

Sounds like a great time.

>>54796196
I might write a Skulls and Shackles app this week

>>54796175
And within the WBL of a level 1 character! Of course, it'd be more efficient to simply start as a female character and only pay for the serum once.

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>>54796196
>godslayers
>Level 20 mythic 10 gestalt
>one shot
for what purpose

>>54796313
Wouldn't that just turn you into a man? Either way I only say twice because the wording there a bit ambiguous on choosing to adopt other sexual characteristics.

It's probably not the intent though, the appearance changing serum wouldn't even let you get blue hair unless that's normal for your race. You'd think a space-future and magic setting would have next level cosmetics down easy.

>>54796333
Do stupid over-bullshit builds of course

>>54796373
Who says they don't?

>>54796381
But you'd only get to use them for one session. It'd be like building a twelve foot sub sandwich and then only taking one bite

>>54796125
>You can replace batteries, charge them, and take them off your enemies (last part stated outright by the devs yesterday)
>Items come with a full-capacity battery or ammo-mag
>Oh hey this 7-cred item comes with 80-capacity battery that it can replace or swap around; it's cheaper than buying spares straight up for my cannon
>THIS WOULD NEVER COME UP

Yeah it also never comes up with cheap printers where replacing the whole unit is less expensive than refilling the black ink.

>>54796427
Who knows~! Half the fun is building a monstrosity that uses Full initating, full casting, and akasha all at once!

>>54796333
It's a fake. The GM stopped talking on there four days ago after being asked if the 'one shot' bit was just a typo/default they hadn't changed or if it really was one-shot.

>>54796373
Let me write down the text for other anons to chime in. It seems like the distinction between a first and a second dose is that the second can simply reverse the first.

>Upon drinking this elixir, your biology instantly transforms to take on a set of sexual characteristics of your choice, changing both your appearance and physiology accordingly. You have some mild control over the details of this change, but you retain a strong "family resemblance" to your former appearance.
>The elixir's magic functions instantaneously and cannot be dispelled. Your new anatomy is as healthy and functional as your previous body's, potentially allowing you to conceive, carry, or bear children (depending on your species' biology).
>Drinking a second elixir of sex shift either reverts you back to a former form or allows you to adopt other sexual characteristics, as you choose. The elixir has no effect if you are unwilling, and the presence of certain sex-specific biological processes, such as gestation, may prevent this serum from taking effect.

>>54796427
>like building a twelve foot sub sandwich
Mythic rules are never delicious, Anon.

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>>54794568
I assume by the usual OPs this is a game for weeaboos.

>>54796449
Maybe it is, not like there's 50+ apps for it though

>>54796433
What says it comes with an 80-capacity battery?

>>54796453
Wait, why would you need two of these to go from male to futa?

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>>54796175
One serum of sex-shift gives us the sexual characteristics of our choice, anon.

Don't limit yourself to the normal humanoid parts.

Be your TRUE gender.

>>54796501
You don't, which is what >>54796453 was trying to say.

Personally, if I was a woman, I'd shift my urethra and clitoris into a penis just so I could pee wherever I wanted without having to take my pants off.

Question is does having multiple sex organs grant extra attacks? I'm inclined to say yes.

>>54796534
But how?

>>54796470
Seeing as anime is often high fantasy, that's pretty accurate.

>>54796492
Personal Comm Unit. Price 7, Hands 1, Bulk L, Capacity 80, Usage 1/hour

This is a planetary model; ones that can transmit system-wide or interstellar require generators and aren't as portable.

>>54796449
I'm still around. Writing mythic initiation rules is not easy you know.

>>54796568
You're just getting a regular 20 charge battery.

>>54796531
But then you'd just pee your pants

>>54796570
you're a champ for doing such an arduous undertaking!

>>54796631
Well, most of them just do damage, like a lot of damage spells, so those are relatively easy. It's the boosts and stances that take some consideration, along with the weirder strikes.

>>54796576
So the Beacon, Flashlight, Lantern, Spotlight, Signal-Jammer, Detonator, Laser Microphone and Motion Detector come with what, then? A battery they're incapable of installing on the side in the package with them?

>>54796647
...........congratulations, you made me do a double take, and decide I wouldn't even go there.

That's not easy.

>>54796570
So is it actually a one-shot? Why put so much effort into something that will only last a short time?

>>54796650
shame I've already decided on archmage, but I'll definitely be looking forward to such content as a primer!

>>54796682
Well, it's likely to be a few episodes, but it is really somethign /tg/ was interested in, or a few people were, and I decided to give it a try. I may not be able to get enough serious applicants, but if I do, I will run it for the few who are dedicated enough to give it a try.

Besides, /tg/ is all about theory craftign anyways. I decided to toss theorycraft aside and see what could really and honestly be done with such a scenario. It's not the first time I've run it, only the first time with PoW, Elephant In The Room, and online.

>>54796665
>trip
Who the fuck are you and why shouldn't I filter you?

>>54796570
>Writing mythic initiation rules is not easy you know.
What? Initiation rules already exist.

>>54796689
I am trying to work out a 'wild inititiation' ability. An entire Arch-Initiator path may take too long.

>>54794903
theyre not a troll you moron, they just think your rules are bullshit and obviously aren't following them.
t. someone who doesn't know anything about any of this

>>54796710
A writefag who wrote things that turned people's stomachs. Hence why that particular post was noteworthy even by my standards. I don't use the trip often here.

>>54796713
MYTHIC initiation does not, unless I am wrong, in which case I would appreciate you pointing me towards it, anon.

>>54796714
you could recycle some of the more powerful 'passives' from guardian marshal and champion just as a foundation. Then change, modify and rearrange as needed

>>54795711
the logic isn't stupid imho, not because of any rules reason or in play reason, but for the fact that if the DM and group is expected to pay actual fucking money for rules this shit the authors can go fuckthemselves, they should have caught this.

>>54796737
That is part of my plan, yes, much like the Genius took many things from Archmage and Trickster with some Guardian thrown in. With the Stranger and Martyr and Living Sait Paths, I have some other good tools to pull from.

>>54796752
Normally I'm one to bash and criticize mythic as it's a whole level of stupid 99% of gms literally can not handle and the remaining 1% just embrace as the result of them no longer being able to meaningfully challenge the PCs but! In your case it was a fun experiment to do some stupid charOP builds as well break stuff as hard as possible. Shame you didn't allow viiglante, would have gotten over my only remaining weakness in saves with noble soul + genius vigilante :b

>>54795404
Why would anyone buy the batteries from you if they can buy the with the item already and do the exact same thing?

>>54796771
I consider vigilante to be in a similar position to dual-progress prestige classes like Eldritch knight and Arcane Trickster and so forth, and therefore not really gestalt allowed.

>>54795404
>>54796773
It's like buying a new printer when you run out of ink.

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>>54796789

This would only be sensible when purchasing the printer is more cost-effective.

>>54795404
>not realizing that with craftign rules as is, and soldier's make infinite ammo for free abilities, there's no reason for a seller to concern themselves with trying to sell batteries except in cases where said batteries are damaged or ruined for whatever reason.

>>54795404
>not realizing that they are giving you the battery for free
You're an idiot.

>>54796812
>sell it to someone else
Bam.

>>54796749
>backing the autist because his flawed logic works for munchkinry
You're retarded. His logic is flawed: he assumes that because there is a precharged/preloaded item or a battery is loaded into it the seller is charging you for the ammo or battery when that is not necessarily the case. If the price listed is for the item itself, there is no 'battery cost' as all items are preloaded or precharged as a courtesy.

>>54796819
Except that wouldn't work. They also get their batteries for free precharged and preloaded. No one would need to buy them except idiot adventurers who break them.

The two magic wearables limit is boring and unnecessary. Sure most of the magic items available are a bit boring too but one day it'll suck to be the bitch stuck carrying the cyberbag of holding.

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>>54796832

>the seller is charging you for the ammo or battery
This is not the case.

>there is no 'battery cost' as all items are preloaded or precharged as a courtesy
This is.

This is why you can purchase a 100-credit pulsecaster rifle to nab yourself a high-capacity battery that would normally cost 330 credits.

Never mind the potential infinite loop involving the free batteries that personal comm units and flashlights/lanterns come with.

>>54796819
The logic here is thus: you buy a cell phone with a battery in it that is fully charged. You take out the battery and sell it to someone else.

That's the logic you are attempting to use here. It doesn't work.

>>54795404
Fuck off, you autistic shit. Nobody asked for your opinion.

This battery reselling scheme is going to get the free battery errata'd out. I hope you intensely bully these people in the future and make them pay for the batteries you now need to buy.

>>54796847
And how do you run the pulsecaster without the battery? Or the flashlights and comm units? why would anyone buy batteries from you when their own are already loaded wuith them?

Your logic is still flawed.

>>54796858
>>54796874
The logic is sometimes the battery is more expensive than the item itself. Then you sell that battery to adventurers who want spares I guess.

>>54796894
And that's the point. They already have those batteries. They don't need yours.

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>>54796874

>And how do you run the pulsecaster without the battery?
You are not after the pulsecaster. You are after the high-capacity battery, which you then remove and insert into the weapon you actually want to use.

>Or the flashlights and comm units?
We do not even know what kind of batteries they come with. Does a flashlight/lantern come with a 20-charge battery it cannot use, or a "special edition" 10-charge battery with an unknown price? Does a personal comm unit come with a 20-charge battery, or an expensive 80-charge battery?

>why would anyone buy batteries from you when their own are already loaded wuith them?
A good question; nobody would ever purchase batteries when they could be directly purchasing equipment instead. The battery economy is a right and proper mess.

>>54796874
I don't know, maybe you should ask Table 7-9 why anyone might want spare batteries.

>>54796874

Batteries break sometimes, anon. Not to mention usually having limited charge-discharge cycles, or that mechanics would buy batteries to make their robots.

If shops are selling batteries separately, that means someone wants them. Which means you can sell yours for cheaper and get money.

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Behold a man who has unlocked the source of Ultimate Starship Power. Right now, rules as written, the ultimate pilot seat is a la-z-boy as he takes no actions and lets the gunner make Glide actions.

Since Glide just requires no pilot actions be taken, not that you can't have a pilot giving the passive +Pilot Ranks to defence in the slot you can get 2 people both adding +Pilot to the defences of your spaceship as long as the pilot doesn't DO ANYTHING. It is goofy and I would slap down any player trying it but the true source of ultimate power turns out to be having a sufficiently lazy pilot.

>>54796901
God, I love it when people find ways to break systems that others are looking forward to. I love that you can just mess up anyone's hopes of having fun at the table when you just say 'I buy five pulsecaster rifles. I take the batteries out of each one' five times in a row.

>>54796908
Offensively, meanwhile, what you want to do for a fighter is twin-link those broad-arc lasers and fill up your L/R arcs with them.

Then, you have the ship's computer with 'control' use them with the "any two weapons at -4" action to supplement your forward arc.

This will in no way make up for the shield growth past roughly tier 10 if you insist on sticking to a small or tiny craft, but it WILL make the slowness and longass fights slightly more bearable.

>>54796919
When I was leaving for college, my father went and bought five cheap printers for me. I took the cartridges out of the other four and that was good enough for the next four years.

He COULD just have bought me a pair of the spare cartridges on their own, but that was the same cost as all four extra printers.

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>>54796908

This is correct. It seems that the best overall tactic in starship combat is to have the starship lackadaisically Glide along in order to raise the ship's defenses. The pilot should do nothing but confer passive bonuses.

>>54796908
I figured combat maneuvers would be fucking worthless in this too.

Turns out that's true even when we're talking loops and barrel rolls.

>>54796908
that's rad and kinda silly

>>54796908
In the case of a fighter such as this, are not both the gunner and pilot positions the same guy? Thus giving, say, an ace pilot twice his +pilot defenses to the ship?

>>54796729
Initiation = rolling initiative?

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>>54796963

>>54796963
PoW users are called initiators. Because they initiate maneuvers.

>>54796908
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/family-guy/the-millennium-falcon/

Still no leak of the first adventure path ?

>>54796908
Are you sure both can give the bonus? Isn't it the same 'type' and therefore only the highest applies?

On the battery thing:

I know the houserule I'm using for this one. The batteries specified on the equipment are internal, rechargeable, and NOT removable from the device without breaking both. These are sold charged.

The standalone batteries on the chart are much like current externals, you just plug the cable in into it and let it charge at X charges/round (possibly proportional to its max cap).

So... say your weapon can hold 70 charges. You empty it and plug into a 100-charge battery. After a few rounds, your weapon is full and the battery is holding 30 charges.

>>54797030

Neither has a listed type.

Aaaaaa, I want to play a Drow in space!

>>54797115
So you can't reload energy weapons in combat then.

>>54797115

Why can't you tape those batteries to your gun, have them be permanently connected and always recharging your main battery to expand your effective ammo capacity?

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>>54797227
What are their role/position in Starfinder?

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>>54794568
Guys I might have written myself into a corner. Party is challenging the chosen one of the God of Death, the schtick is that his superpower is he cannot die.

What are some good ways to kill things that can't die? Assuming the party's not going to kill him with kindness anytime soon.

>>54797327
Apparently, they're still doing the slavery thing. They're just way more mercenary about it now.

>>54797332
Turn them into stone

Steal all of their speed so they turn into a statue

Drown them

>>54797332
Erase all their memories including how to walk. Mindrape them into catatonia. Seal them in concrete and drop them to the bottom of the mariana trench - that's as good as dead. Best to turn them into mush and mix them into the concrete - even if they can't technically die, it'd be way harder for them to pull themselves together. Hike them to an IV filled with heroin and other fun drugs - they can't die, so you can get them to absolutely insane levels of tripping.

How does it work that he can't die? Regeneration, instant resurrection if their brain stops working? Knowing details would be helpful.

Should an operative take long arm proficiency? If so, at what level?

>>54797544
Nope. Longarm proficiency is shit for Operatives.

>unsanctioned knowledge (dimension door), dimensional agility, dimensional charge, dimensional assault
Why so many people recommend this for a paladin? 4 feats for something you're going to do once, maybe twice a day?

Seen a lot of stuff about the gun scaling and high level firearms doing "a bajillionD8+ a fuck tonne", but did melee get the same treatment? is melee even viable in Starfinder?

>>54797327
They're weapons manufacturers living on Not!Pluto.

>>54797733
Yes, Melee got the exact same treatment and in fact the most powerful weapon in the game is a gravity hammer.

>>54797327
On the fun end of electric shock slave collars if I have anything to say about it

>The only time white males are shown in Starfinder art is when they're background baddies

Top. Fucking. Kek.

>>54794777
I want to kiss Broodie desu

So, currently we are playing to paralel groups sharing the same setting, space and time. The GM has decided to use one of my character's brothers (25 or more) as a recurring character for the other group. In particular, he wants to make him an assassin to chase down a cursed character from the other group. If he's killed, it will give a reason for my character to hate the other group. Given that my character is a female tiefling what sort of relationship would you expect?

>>54797332
In Naruto there's a character whose schtick is that he cannot die. He's blown into tiny bits and buried under tons of rocks. I suppose you can have him blown to bits by a suitable amount of damage, so he won't be dead and a heal spell on his pieces will bring him back to life..

where's the starfinder PDF?

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Can we all agree that the battery "problem" is just fine and that it's only RAW autists who have a problem with it?

>>54797649
Probably because is the only way for a paladin to pounce?

>>54798304
There is logic to it.

Well the book takes it for granted people are not trying to disassemble items into raw parts. Even Pathfinder takes it for granted that if you find something made of gold that is not specifically a trade good, then you cannot turn it into trade good. You cannot make a gold weapon for cheap and melt it into expensive gold trade good.

Same way, 1 credit flashlight does have 3 credits worth of battery resource in it. But the game takes it for granted that you cannot cash in on that 3 credit power, it is not part of the experience to try to game the system that way.

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Why are Kobolds so perfect?

>>54798460
>Even Pathfinder takes it for granted that if you find something made of gold that is not specifically a trade good, then you cannot turn it into trade good.
Are you refering to golden and silver holy symbols? I can't think of anything else this would apply to.

>>54798496
Delete this

>>54798505
Make a cheap but heavy metallic weapon out of Gold special material
Melt it down into parts
Sell the gold

>>54798496
Because they worship the fattest and most gluttonous of females.

>>54798537
I thought they worshiped Apsu?

>>54798540
Must be thinking D&D lore

>>54794633
Barbarian, fighter or ranger with a mutant template.

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE LEAKED PDF FOR STARFINDER

Reminder that Skull and Shackles DM will be doing reviews of all apps TODAY!

>>54798752
>>54798270
http://zalil.su/3875211

>>54798752
>I am incapable of using 4plebs or any other archive and need to be spoonfed

>>54799003

Spoonfeed me faggot or I start image spamming the thread

>>54799044
What kind of images are you spamming it with, though?

>>54799051

Bunch of /v/ ones

>>54799044
I literally just POSTED IT YOU GIGANTIC FAGGOT.
>>54798790
>>54798790
>>54798790
>>54798790
>>54798790

>>54799060
>http://zalil.su/3875211

i'm not falling for your fucking russian viruses give me an ACTUAL PDF link

I need someone cute to PM, guys. The day is off to a rough start.

>>54799085
I didn't make that link you cock-gobbling sword-swallower, I'm reposting the link I used to get a copy of the PDF. I downloaded it and I didn't get ANY VIRUSES.

>>54799107

it's just an empty PDF

>>54799112
Screenshot it

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>>54799112
Yeah, real empty.

>>54799274
>All of the humanoids are women

Kek, I bet Paizo had a little congratulatory jerk-off in a thread about how "awesome" that was.

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>>54799044
>>54799058

>>54798790
Any alternatives to this around, mine just keeps saying "no file" every time it finishes :/

>>54799322
android is a man?

>>54799723
According to paizo the android is genderfluid/trans. So yes. The android too.

>>54799907
well it is easy to be genderfluid when parts are interchangeable

>>54799920
I don't think the parts are going to be THAT interchangeable, anon!

That said, I could see the utility in being able to detach your tits and use the chest ports to secure your armor.

Sendory overload
I was trying to make Raiden in Starfinder using the leaks and now I can't even think anymore, too many new stuff

>Choose the signs
>Now do that again
>Now do that again
>Now do that again
>Now do that again
>Uh oh! You need to choose all the cars! It will take 5 seconds for a new image to load, and every new one will have one car!

>>54799907
The iconic android is probably agender, not gender fluid.

>>54800203
Good for it, I'd rather be nothing at all than a filthy male.

>>54796900
Still fuzzy on the rules, so this could be a poor plan, but I'm totally planning to get a few extra batteries to use the "transfer charge" cantrip with in case anything ever starts getting low.
(And then to recharge the spares again by stealing power from whatever I come across)

>>54796333
>not sure if the time it takes to build that kind of character to just do a one shot, (or get bamboozled) is worth the effort lmao

The batteries in the ammo table are not literal batteries
They are the rate how much the energy costs
Same way, a gun does not have a 30 round magazine in it even if that is the only size ammunition table sells them at

>>54800299
The batteries in the ammo table are spare batteries. You can buy multiples for later use, and recharge them

>>54800299
However the ammo is just ammo, but you are assumed to have enough magazines for however much ammo you have.

>>54800203
>>54800230
>>54799907
>>54799920
>>54799723

Iseph appears to have a female body based on the original art of their face.

>>54800315
No Anon, you don't get it.
It is not saying all batteries come in 20 charge size and cost 60
The rate is 60 credits for 20 charges
You could have 1 charge battery for 6 credits
Or 200 charge battery for 600 credits

Same way that 9 round pistol does not come with 30 rounds if you buy it preloaded.

>>54800338
Iseph is agender by the backstory of the iconic.

"... they first met other androids and discovered that some identified with particular genders, though Iseph never felt any such personal connection."

>>54800408
Some android's may be gender fluid, male, or female. Iseph just doesn't give a damn about it.

>>54800408
>>54800338
I can't wait for the first NPC Gallery that has an openly non-binary character.

>>54800448
Has that not already been done?

>>54800459
I mean, more in the sense of genderfluid and unusual pronouns.

>>54800448

Aren't shirren biologically trinary-gendered? I thought the leader of the guardian faction was a "host" shirren.

>>54800508
They have three sexes, that doesn't necessarily transfer to gender roles, but it could.

>>54800508
It is like having 2 females, where only hosts get to have children.

>>54800549
I sorta assumed it happened with both the, um... genetic materials of the male and female being deposited into the host. So basically... it's a spit roast.

This is the reason I'm going to hell.

>>54800338
pretty sure the pics you are talking about are fan art made by some faggot.

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>>54800338
>>54800580
You know you are talking about the operator iconic in the book right in the open right

>>54800580
Iseph has some aspects ascribed to both the female and male gender in western society, but in our society most aspects attributed to men are also not considered odd when present in women. So someone who shows and feminine aspects is traditionally considered more feminine on first examination.

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> vesk in a wifebeater

>>54795587
but im foxtits and I'm not Captain slow

>>54800678
I'm just imagining him saying the the Veskarium will rise again, and complaining about how everything is all those damned android's fault.

>>54800707
Then bend over, baby, I'm coming in hot!

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>elves are now crazy racists
Paizo stole the new elf lore from Privateer Press

>>54800974
>Are now
They used to kill people wholesale just to keep them from finding out that drow exist.

>>54800766
why haven't you pmd me yet? M. Grim#4629

don't be a coward :)

>>54801013
They don't exist.

>sharpens knife menacingly

>>54801152
>unzips curve blade

>>54801152
And now they outfit "independent fleets" to attack Apostae as a transparent attempt to dance around Pact World sanctions.

>>54795610
Giant Merfolk and Rugarou, the superior 2.0 kind that belong in Nintendo vidya

>>54801013
Difference between knowledge of the Drow and simply being in the way.

Most Elves don't even know about the Drow, but every Elf suffers from The Gap.

>>54801205
There is only one way to fix the elves mistake. The reality bomb.

>>54801205
I want to fight a proxy war!

>>54795750
Colorful ones are best. Obviously there would be some order among them, but Mercenaries really need to stand out, otherwise they would just be a regular army

What Pact World produces the apex shitposters?

>>54801405
Eox. They're literally already dead inside. Aballon produces the best memes.

>>54795612
Drawn Horse Boat, a stupid mechanical meme about making a carriage for cheap using just a boat. It's as dumb as peasant rail gun.

>>54801479
>Aballon produces the best memes.
>memes crafted to mechanical perfection
want

>>54801534
Profession (Meme Dealer)

>>54794568
That's a nice butt

>>54801479
>/r9k/ on a planetary scale

Good god.

>>54797649
>Once/Twice
By the time the whole thing comes online, you can probably start burning money on getting one pearl of power each level for many more daily uses.

>>54801553
Internet Personality is a Profession, Memester is supported in the lore.

>>54794821
>has no reason to exist homebrew.jpg

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Is there a canonical reason why Cheliax hasn't conquered the scattered city-states of Varisia? Not worth the effort?

If a new regional power in Varisia started conquering large swathes of turf would that attract the attentions of the devil nation, maybe just to squash a nascent threat? Or is Cheliax stretched too thin with their own colonial exploits.

>>54799322
>i must find some reason to be upset.

>>54801553
Time to dust off my go to sci-fi character:
>Frank Miller, the Spiz Diller; Professional Memester

>paizo AMA regarding Starfinder
>every question regarding the Envoy is completely ignored
Business as usual.

>>54801738
>Not worth the effort?
This.
>Or is Cheliax stretched too thin with their own colonial exploits.
And this.

People like to be all haughty about how powerful the Infernal Empire appears to be in the setting, but they're actually stagnating really hard at the moment. The Chelish Civil War following the death of Aroden really did a number on them, and the Diabolical forces of Asmodeus seem more interested in extracting soul resources from Cheliax than actually make them progress as a nation.

>>54795375
How is the Operative OP?

>>54801738
>looking for logical reasons for things in a setting where level 20 wizards just exist.

>>54797649
Because it lets you deliver pouncing smite attacks that will assfuck everything you use it on.

There is basically no practical defense against a dimensional assault paladin who wants you dead.

>>54801738

Well, right now, they have the fucking Reclamation trying to start shit in their provinces, and really, what's in Varisia besides Varisians?

>>54801826
>and really, what's in Varisia besides Varisians?

Goblins! Thassilonian Ruins! Shoanti!

>>54801809
lvl 20 wizards are all either gone or gone the passive kind of insane

>>54801826
Most adventures in the world

>>54801809
>not making all your BBEG and their minions Neutral

>>54801850
Aren't like half the APs in Cheliax?

>>54801879
Council and both Hell's only. The rest at best involve or have important Chelish characters.

So, Earth exists in the Golarion setting You visit it several times. Since Starfinder is just in the future Earth should still be around. It is fairly far in the future, so human technology would have got through A LOT of advancement.

I am considering a campaign where an earth armada shows up in the Golarion system after uncovering the truth behind the egyptian gods and old ones. How would the Golarion system deal with a flotilla of earth war ships, all technology, no magic.

>>54801853
>this cooperative storytelling game is best played in a manner that punishes your players for doing fun things!

>>54801879
Since golarion is basically built so that each of its regions supports a different type of fantasy, varisia is basically the closest to the classic band of heroes, vanilla sword and sorcery vibe that a lot of people gravitate towards.

>>54801901
I'm considering basing my earth loosely after the earth on gargantia on the verdurous planet. Crappy anime. Good adventure premise.

>>54801901
Earth isn't just in a different part of the Galaxy, anon, it's in a completely different Universe.

>>54801942

What's that one about?

>>54801853
Jokes on you, I'm playing an Enlightened Paladin, sure, my bonus is +6 tops, but is to attack, damage, saves, AC and isn't restricted to alignments.

>>54801943
>Earth isn't just in a different part of the Galaxy, anon, it's in a completely different Universe.
What?

>>54801969
The only way you can get to Earth is through interdimensional portals.

>>54801943
It isn't though because you can teleport there, planeshift isn't required.

>>54801943
No. According to JJ, it's the same universe, but another galaxy. This is explicitly important as Cthulhu is asleep on Earth, not on Golarion, but he has FTL travel and can reach Golarion from Earth.

>>54801945
It's a bit of a bait and switch. It starts off as anime Starship Troopers, which is probably the part the original poster wants, then turns into a pretty decent ______ .

I don't want to spoil it if that's okay, but there is a cool thing you discover later on that I will steal for my idea that Iomedae is lying to you.

>>54801945
Without spoiling to much. It's earth in the future after an ice age in which the ice has mostly melted, resulting in a water world. The world is inhabited by humans who live on gigantic floating city ships. However there are also humans from space who fight mollusk like aliens called hideauze, which the space humans are taught are their mortal enemy and reason for existing. When one of the humans crashes on the newly rediscovered earth, he finds that the humans of earth live on the planet with creatures called whale squid, which are biologically identical to hideauze. The story basically reveals the origins of humans, hideauze, and whale squid, and really makes you think.

>>54802000
Cthulhu has faster than light travel? Mecha Cthulhu anybody?

>>54802091
>Cthulhu has faster than light travel?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/aberrations/great-old-ones/great-old-one-cthulhu/

>Greater Starflight (Su)
>Cthulhu can survive in the void of outer space, and flies through outer space at incredible speeds. Although the exact travel time will vary from one trip to the next, a trip within a solar system normally takes Cthulhu 2d6 hours, and a trip beyond normally takes 2d6 days (or more, at the GM’s discretion).

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>>54802091
Considering Nyarlathotep is a major god of the setting, I can see Cthulhutech being a thing.

>>54801993
Doesn't mean it's from a different universe, it just means interplanetary teleport is a shit spell that can't even reach another planet.

>>54802091

Presumably it helps facilitate his drive to devour all things.

>>54802111
He's also explicetly stated to be asleep on earth. Although he could've woken up... there's my new earth setting!

>>54802131
Cthulhu does not devour though, he's a priest who summons the Old Ones.

>>54802155
Who then tend to devour stuff.

>>54802155

And they do the devouring?

>>54802151
>cuthulu wakes up
>decides to wait a bit to summon old ones. There aren't many humans anyways.
>actually a chill guy. want's humans to trhive and prosper so they grow numerous so the old ones get a bigger meal.
Fun or not?

>>54801954
>+6 tops
Pfffahahahahahaha
I prefer to deal 0 to anything but evil as long as I deal +20 to evil per attack, +40 on the first attack

>>54802211
Cthulhu advances biotechnology to mold humanity in his image?

>>54802296
We're more similar to the lloigor, if you wanted to take it that direction.

>>54802296
or not? why does he care what we look like if we are food?

He would probably institute some mega-health-care and mega-family/fertility policies.

>>54802433

Dear God, that's where Lamashtu got the power to kill Curchanus.

>>54802211
>>54802179
>>54802173

The Old Ones don't really want to eat us, all they seem to do is teach us new ways to revel and kill and play and murder. It's not an organized consumption as it is a global blood-orgy.

>>54802473
Health care?

>>54796783
>a base class with its own progression is totally like a prestige class like Mystic Theurge that progresses two separate classes
You fucking what m8?

>>54802644
>global blood-orgy

You have perfectly described 4chan.

i want a shoanti waifu! where can i find a cute one?

>>54802680
Breaking your spine in two like a twig. That's where you can find a shoanti.

>>54801993
>>54801943

It's actually in a different galaxy. Baba Yaga's hut is just a hub for travelling between planets.