EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54757359
>How did you fare last EDH night?
Won 2 of 4.

First with a pretty casual Gitrog and the second with a Maelstrom Wanderer

>>54757359
Got stomped 3 times, but I learned a lot about a new deck. Mainly that I have no draw despite being in blue.

>>54757359
>How did you fare last EDH night?
Won with Zada
Karn was too slow and barely held on
Dralnu ate shit and died

>play groop bitches about my joyride of the ghetto deck even though it has a wincon
>playgroop says nothing about my stax deck even though it's wincon is them forfeiting

what i learned last EDH night

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What is a good unassuming group hug deck. I've been thinking of group ramp deck with Kruphix. To slowly accumulate mana, while no one notices and then mill everyone out with an x spell. The only thing that hold me back, is that getting an infinite mana combo seems way easier then go through all the risks.

tl;dr
Give me a grouphug commander than isn't a retarded hippo or two queers.

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>>54757581
>Good
>Group Hug
>mfw

>>54757581
You posted it. Play Dictates, mana doublers and some light pillowfort on top of wheels and cycling cards to dig through your deck and find your big spells. Play a bunch of politics with denial and bounce spells to stop aggressive plays and make friends as you speed the game up faster than people can adapt to.

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>>54757581
what about groop FIGHT

>>54757598

i want to try one, because no other format has hug decks and I like to be sneaky. I could go stax, which is the same idea only reversed, but I don't want to make a deck so miserable no one wants to play me or just be the auto archenemy.

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>>54757581
>grouphug commander
Nekusar.

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>>54757629
GET IN THE FUCKING RING

>>54757629
making this deck now and dressing up as a luchadore when playing it

>>54757359
How did you fare last EDH night
Won League game, 5 trigger limit to prevent infinites, got Teysa and Darkest Hour out turn 4 and killed someone on Turn 5 with 5 damage a turn upped it to ten a turn on my next turn with Blood Artist and killed them on their upkeeep. Needless to say salt ensued.

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>>54757629
>>54757678
Listen, I'm going to need you to FUCKING ATTACK!

>>54757632

Group hug is pretty miserable to play against when it goes hard. When I untap with all my lands tapping for quadruple mana because you played mana flares into my mana reflection and you're giving me 4 extra cards a turn, it makes me lose interest in the game, I don't even want to resolve all that shit in my turn because it's going to take a long time and it doesn't feel organic, like my deck earned it

And it also sucks to be placed in the turn order right before the group hug player, so that when the group hug player plays all the mana flares and howling Mines you're the last person to get to use them, if you get to use them at all

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1 out of 3.
Adriana went full crusader on my Play group's ass flashbacking Increasing Devotion with Crusade and Cathar's Crusase online. Deus Vult.
Played Allies Tribal with Tazri but got hated out because I usually destroy their hands or just make infinite tokens/triggers.
Played nearly Vanilla Breya and ended up losing because Value dosen't mean winning. I really should give more tutors, but just playing archenemy with the table is fun, probably going full combo would ruin it.

>>54757581
Group Hug is really gay, I can't fucking stand it. I'm usually very political at the table but I go full grull when a Group Hug deck shows up.
>"b-but I'm giving everyone cards, why are you targeting me?"
I swear I won't stop doing this until my playgroup learns and change their commanders when i sit at the table.

>>54757746
Group hug just speeds up peoples combos, when you have double mana turn 4 and have a ton of extra cards 9 times out of 10 someone can just play an infinite in a single turn due to drawing the pieces and having the mana to slam it down in a single turn.

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>put an order through on TCG
>forget to order an important piece
Fuck

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>>54757734

COME AT ME, YOU PANSY!!

Archetypes from most enjoyable to least enjoyable
>Good stuff decks >Aggro decks >Dedicated simple combo (2-3 pieces and is instantaneous, no Storm bullshit or 15 minute doomsday turns) >Theme >Stax >Staying home and not playing EDH>Storm and 15 minute turn combos> Chaos >literal shit>>>>>Grouphug = Pillowfort

>>54757893
>Good stuff
>enjoyable
Please kys yourself

>>54757893
>Goodstuff
>enjoyable

>>54757893
Thats the old list anon, we all voted on this new accurate list:

>deck I haven't seen before > deck I've seen before

Has the tribe for tomorrow been revealed?
Sunday they said something about "the cats in the bag" so it was clear cats would be shown.
Any clues today?

>>54757901
>Dont have to sit through 15 minute turns
>Doesnt win out of nowhere usually
>folds to boardwipes and targeted removal of pieces

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>>54757859
Oh god, I know those feels.

>>54757931

The whole point of goodstuff is that it DOESNT fold to wipes and removal, you just draw lots of cards and if they answer your shit well that's fine because all 64 of your nonlands are great so you'll just play more

The decks that fold to removal are decks that rely on specific synergies and have lots of cards that don't work without their combos in play

The decks that fold to wipes are aggro decks and tribal decks

I agree goodstuff is the most fun archetype btw

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>>54757930
meow?

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>>54757629
Deathmatch stax decks are fun as fuck.

>>54757678
Loooove this card in my Rakdos deck. The fun times never end my friends.

>>54758046
kill yourself

>>54758046
I dont even mind the card but the art for this one is so furry its disgusting

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>>54758058
reveal yourself

>>54758068

What do you mean? Like this card is somehow anthropomorphic-animal-sex-fetish-y?

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PREPARE

>>54758113
VALUE

>>54758113
Huh. Kinda reminds me of old Mannfred

>>54758113
confirms wizards.
also this is pretty good considering most "standard" revival effects are 4-5c.

>>54758113
>can rez any vampire or wizard
>[laughs in Lab Man]

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Is it possible to use something like this as my Commander. Im a hardcore weeb, should i get the actual card altered to be that or just buy the proxy?

>>54757935
The deck will still work but it definitely won't be as smooth

>>54758162
Get that as an alter for Jenara.

>>54758162
that creature isn't legendary so no.
Proxies are usually okay-ish for tabletop magic. Most LGSes (ive been to) dontt really accept them.
If you know the people at the store they will let you but I recommend getting a regular printed card

>>54757678
>tfw I fucking took control of this bullshit with my Oloro Deck after the player controlling it knocked out all the other 5 players, then smacked his face with this and a double striking Sphinx of the Steel Wind

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>>54758113
This pleases Zur

>>54758113

So.. is this in the vampire or wizards precon? Or both? Or us getting a wizards precon is just a bad china-man translation?

>>54758349
vampires, as you can tell if you were not blind or retarded

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Any bets on the chase deck for C17?

>>54758419
we havent seen the rest calm down

>>54758419
Wizards most likely

or WoTC will put all valuable reprints on cats

>noyan dar isn't bant
>isn't even in green
Why must you make me suffer, wizards?

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>>54758444
>mfw all the swords and Jitte

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>>54758480
Your retarded if you think wotc will cram that much value in these $35 decks.

>>54758363
It's a Vampire Wizard that revives Vampires or Wizards. Not even that anon, but I understand how they could've arrived at the question.

Post the shittiest bicolor decks

I'll start:

White/Blue
White/Black
White/Red
White/Green
Mono White

>>54758514
The cards only cost them pennies, so the "value" means fuck all to WotC. The secondary market will be the only one to suffer. In fact it would be a smart move since it would ensure the cat deck flies off shelves and unlike MM Commander is an unlimited print run.

>>54758576
>But muh aftermarket value on non-reserve list cards!

I'll never understand these kinds of retards. If you want to "invest" in magic buy reserved list shit where you're at least "guaranteed" to make your money back at the worst.

Magic could be dead in five years and every faggot with rooms filled with boxes would be hilariously fucked.

what makes UG so strong in EDH?

>>54758616
Magic's creators not knowing how to balance their game.

>>54758616
Sort of a sum of its parts thing. Blue alone is good, green alone is good, blue-green cards are good, so all together the color combo has access to some of the strongest cards

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>>54758576
>>54758613
>>54758576
Unfortunately WOTC has proven they do care about the secondary market.

Also
>unlimited print run
>Commander 2016
>pic related

>>54758564
>White Blue
Brago and GAAIV
>White Green
Selvala, Sisay

Is Zada fun? I feel like you shit out value effortlessly until you win via grapeshot or swinging with a million tokens.

>>54758675
Copied spells don't rack up Storm count, only spells cast.

>>54758564
Some of those color combos are better than others. I would take WU or GW over Rakdos.

>>54758616
They're basically pigeon holed to put ramp and card draw in their decks, so the average casual that homebrews does surprisingly well.

>>54758616
EDH is an environment both colors flourish in. They're the best at building resources and it's better in multiplayer to build your resources than to try to manage everyone else's.

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How bad did I do?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/08-08-17-FOe-edh/

>>54758564
>W/G
Who the fuck plays this boring combination?

>>54758363
not that guy but fuck i think youre retarded

>>54758665
It's still better than Yugioh where their idea of managing the secondary market is crashing it ever couple of months and powercreeping the old cards out of relevancy.

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Anyone else feel like I do about the C17 precons so far, even if there's not much spoiled yet?

Just get 1 or 2 precons depending if the rest are decent, then play it as is, and with little customized cards as possible. Just straight out of the box.

>>54758564
>WU
Brago and Grand Arbiter Augustin are top tier you mongoloid
>WG
Selvala and Rhys the Redeemed are very good too, tier 2
>WB
Teysa, Orzhov Scion is solid tier 2, easy combo potential in these colors because you get the best tutors
>WR
This one ill give you, all the commanders are aggro and only Aurelia is any decent
>Mono W
Mono W Stax is pretty competitive, various viable commanders but all have to be Stax themed like Thalia, Linvala, or Hokori

>>54758742
Soon, a good chunk of your playgroup :^)

>>54758742
Its fun

>>54758783
Meow :^)

>>54758783
I love this meme, desu I dont care if its autistic but I will try and kill the cat player at our table every time without fail. Also will out them as being gay.

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>>54758815
>Also will out them as being gay.
What if they're already gay, anon?

>>54758741
This is pretty rough but thats ok. Im guessing youre playing The Mimeoplasm and your fatty count is incredibly low. it seems like best case youve got a 13/13 jin which is good dont get me wrong but this is weak. Hermit druid and creature tutors are needed in this list but it seems you have a lot of ways to put creatures in the yard through dredge. Your removal is pretty rough. I dont know about budget but there are much better removal spells in those colors. Card draw and better creature raamp would help. Drop the number of noncreature spells and any effects that you can get on a creature do.

Card to consider are Hermit Druid, Skythiryx, Consecrated Shpinx, Malestrom Pulse, Abrupt Decay, and any card draw you see fit.

Hope this helps my dude.

>>54758419
>>54758444
such a waste of trips. the answer is clearly dragons. as if the timmies of the world would let this opportunity pass. I know I wont.

>>54758564
>Typical SJW
>White is bad!

>>54758770
There was a preorder listing for $99 for all 4 that's since sold out. I'd expected I'd probably only buy Vampires and Wizards, but that being $70 before tax anyway, I figured basically buying the other two decks at less than $15 each would be fine. Last time my group tried playing out of the box precons was c14 and Daretti consistently stomped everyone except sometimes Freyalise, so I don't have a whole lot of confidence in their balance.

>>54758349
Uncommon in Commander precons means 'it's in multiple decks but not all of them.' Common means 'in all decks', rare/mythic means 'in only one deck'
This is in at least two decks.

>>54758815
Yeah, I'm gay.
Gay for YOUR MOM.

>>54758773
>Mono W Stax is pretty competitive
Please don't.

>>54758866

Thank you for the help.

>>54758929
It's weird you say Daretti stomped when Daretti won the least by far when me and my mates played the c14 precons. Freyalise and Teferi were houses.

>>54757359
>question
Almost lost with Jhoira since I thought I didn't have enough blockers but then remembered my suspended Gargadon. Next turn, two Eldrazi resolved with a temporal mastery in hand and I sacced everyone else's boards. Won with 1 life, and ended up taking every game that night.

>>54758993
>I sacced everyone else's boards
How's that?

>>54759018
Annilator i assume

>>54758968
No probs m8

Any competitive EDH people here? Or are you all sucking Jason Alts dick with that gay 75 shit.

So, we're getting the Ur-Dragon, O-Kogachi, Ramos, Wasitora, and Taigam in Dragons, and Mirri in Cats (fairly sure the rest of Cats is made up)
Vampires has Edgar Markov and at least two others that can be used as commander, Wizards has three to be used as commander.
Vampires may have more former characters - and going by Mirri, they may have already had a card. A new Crovax is possible, either shortly after his curse or as Crovax, Commander of the Invasion. A Zendikari bloodchief that isn't Drana or Kalitas is possible (technically they're possible as well, just unlikely), and I wouldn't put it past Wizards to put ANOTHER Innistradi bloodline progenitor in there. Baron Sengir could have gained more colors over the years as well, and...I suppose The Mephidross Vampire, of which there is only one left definitely, could get a card if they wanted. Beyond that, I'm not sure if there's any other specific vampires that can fit in the deck and lead it Maybe a Sorin that can be your commander (he sparked immediately upon becoming a vampire). Anything else is entirely pulled-out-of-ass territory like the cats.
WIZARDS! have the opposite problem - rather than being a rather narrow and specific type that's obvious when you do or do not qualify, pretty much anyone who can cast a spell can have WIZARD! slapped on them. Including flavor text characters that don't suggest one way or the other what they are.
Ertai might be a possibility here. The Numena, either seperately or as a group. One of the few I DON'T see being here is Urza in any form - he is an Artificer through and through
What do other people think might show up?

>>54758113
This into Snapcaster. Value Town, USA.

>>54759080
Getting my deck up to 100% soon, just need a Mana Crypt and an Imperial Seal.

>>54759116
Fuck yeah man what you playing?

>>54758349
Probably both.

>>54759093
One of the likely legends for Vampires is either the BW Innistrad Angel who Avacyn killed for allying with vampires and demons, or Marycz, the Angel who Edgar Markov exsanguinated to start the curse of Vampirism.

Is Idylic Tutor a good enough replacement for Demonic Tutor? The combo is Enchantment based and I dont want to use DT for religious reasons

>>54758790
If you are going to shit up the thread with emotes at least have the common courtesy to use the right one. :3

>>54759080
As competitive as Selvala gets.

>>54759148
Costs more and is more limited in targets (DT is useful sometimes for draw, land, removal, etc.)

Here is you (YOU) for the possible bait.

>>54759151
Yeah, I realized my mistake after I hit post.

>>54759148
What kind of bait is this meant to be?

>>54759148
I think by religious reasons you mean its 35 bucks. Obviously not as good as DT cause DT grabs bullets and Idylic tutor as you stated is really only good at getting your combo pieces. Whats the combo might I ask?

>>54759129
Teysa, Orzhov Scion. I like the flavor of the deck and the fact that its very competitive without painting an instant target on your head. Very many times ive Enlightened Tutored for a Darkest Hour and the table just says "Interesting" in an inquisitive voice when I reveal it or play it. In CEDH games shes often not considered the biggest threat and can easy combo while people are trying to fight powerhouses like Zur or Jeleva. Stax effects are hard to fight through though along with heavy targetting.

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>>54759174
Have you checked out that mono G "storm" selvala list? That thing is tier 1.5 GAS
>>54759200
I had a friend play her and just natural turn 3 had an infinite sac combo with blood artist out. She is a fucking house man!

>>54759181
I understand that but its only one more. Im running every other good tutor other then DT. Its not bait.
>>54759183
Its not
>>54759191
If i got the Demonic Tutor itd be the Judge promo so no price has nothing to do with it, not to mention Idylic is $20 as is. The combo is Darkest Hour + Teysa + Blasting Station/Blood Artist effect

>>54759148
Its fine. Perhaps include other, always useful, enchants like Oring/Aura of Silence to ensure it isn't dead weight when you cant combo out

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>>54758675
Cantrips give you a crazy amount of draw. You can use those to rack up a storm count, ping your foes with the Guttersnipe, or build up an army of elemental tokens with the Young Pyromancer. Who will then net you more cards.

>>54759239
I turn 4'ed the combo in League the other day. Despite a 5 trigger per turn limit I still won, killed someone on their upkeep turn 5 and won the table a few turns later.

>>54759242
I really dont think there is a better Tutor the DT and I mean that. Dont skip on that man.

>>54758349
dragons/humans
cats/monks
vampires/wizards
clerics/aetherborn

>>54759242
Im assuming you already own an academy rector then?

>>54759296
Didnt even think of that desu. Will try.

>>54759242
Vampires who owe their immortality to an alchemist having exsanguinated a living angel is cool with your religion?

>>54759148
>>54759242
>It's only one more
You have to think of it as 150% the mana cost of DT, which is huge. Only you can decide if that much of a cost increase is worth the flavor win.

>>54759151
:^3

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>>54759418
I dont care for the lore dude, I just dont want to own a Demonic Tutor. Calm your fucking autism.

New to MtG.

Should I wait for the Commander decks or try out older decks?

Kamigawa and Ravnica are my favorite settings.

>>54759093

Maybe Eliza of the Keep as Grixis Wizard? She's from the Shards of Alara stories

>>54759457
Ah, I know what kind of bait this is.
Successful.

>>54759465
Do you have friends who play?

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>Vampiric Tutor got bumped to mythic and is around 30 dollars
>Demonic Tutor didn't get reprinted and likely won't ever get reprinted so it's around 30 dollars
>have the means but it fucking sucks spending that much on a single card and makes me question the hobby as a whole.
What's the point in having the best tutors if I can't fucking get them?

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>>54759456
>:^3

That looks even worse.

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>>54759505
>Not already being dead inside and spending money on a hobby only you and few friends enjoy

>>54759457
>calm your fucking autism
>doesn't want to own a children's trading card for "religious reasons"

What does your sky daddy have against cardboard?

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>>54759505
>What's the point in having the best tutors if I can't fucking get them?
Thought about paying the Chinaman?

>>54759570
Hook, Line, and Sinker

>>54759540
>Pshh, nothing personnel kid

>>54759481
Nope...

>Amonkhet
>expect cool races in an egypt setting
>get fucking bothing

>get capeshit characters and Deathwing from WoW

>>54759626
Maybe find people to play with before you spend money on it.

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>>54759570
One of the guys in our high school games club was forbidden to play black. His mom was an ordained minister and flipped her shit over Unholy Strength.

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Post your favorite non-X blue draw spell. This baby is literal pennies and almost always lets you filter a good bit of trash.

>>54759637
>expect cool races in an egypt setting
I mean, what exactly were you expecting? You got jackalheaded people and bird headed people. That's the kind of races I would expect in egypt world. And speaking of yeah this was an egyptian setting too. What exactly didn't you get that you wanted?

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>>54759669
Extremely similar but I'd argue better when you hit 5 mana whereas Ugin's is better when you have at least a scry 6 or so a bit later in the game.

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>one blue player casts paradox engine
>the (only) other blue player tries to counter it and gets fow'd
>game immediately ends
cool

>>54759759
>Razaketh player casts Paradox Engine
>first blue player tries to counter it
>I counter the counter F6 and go make myself some coffee and sandvich
>come back, Razaketh is still storming and chatlog is filled with salt and confusion
>go to a next game with fresh coffee and sandvich
Some things you can't do in paper.

>>54759795
I usually host and if I die or something similar is to happen I usually get up stretch, grab some Reese's Puffs and sit back down to watch the salt.

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>>54759577
Nah, I dont support communism.

>>54759653
Avacyn Restored sold so many fucking packs because Christians don't like demonic stuff being prominent. Put a bright angel on a product and you'll make bank.

>>54759523
>:3c nyah~

>>54759080
>Any competitive EDH people here?

Yes. My decks worth around $800. Didn't spend that much granted because it's 90% stuff I pulled from packs over the years but it makes some people at my LGS bootyhurt that I play good stuff even though there's two other people who do.

>Or are you all sucking Jason Alts dick with that gay 75 shit.

What's this?

>>54760299
>playing cedh decks against casual players
what's wrong with you

Green > the rest

>>54759080
I have 12 decks, only one of them is cEDH tier, and it's missing the super expensive cards like Gaea's Cradle. I barely play it because I rarely come across anyone with a 100% deck, and even when I do I get bored because it plays out the same every game. Yisan was the first deck I ever made though, so I refuse to take it apart, even if it's no longer the janky extra cards I once had when I first started.

I had a picture saved that was cards for a Karametra land creature deck and I finally decided to try to build something like it but lost the image. Does anyone have it?

>>54757359
>thread
Jeleva - one won one lost
Karlov - again one victory one defeat

I love Amonkhet

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>>54760229
Citation Needed. I mean. I'm all for shitting on stupid christians. But this isn't the 80's anymore.

>>54760299
>What's this?

There's an idea that, in order to maintain a casual meta and prevent arms races, players should build their decks below peak efficiency, usually termed as "75%". It suggests playing pet cards you know aren't optimal but you enjoy using, limiting tutors, and avoiding effects that are too oppressive to players who don't have optimized decks.

Basically, it's a buzzword for "not playing competitive" and nobody will agree on any set rules for what constitutes a 75% deck. There aren't any hard numbers or statistics, just a general vague feeling.

>>54760506
Eh this I would say got me into EDH in the first place. Using silly stuff and battlecruisers.

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When helard horn enter the battlefield, choose a creature.

creature of the chosen tipe cost 1 less

at the beginning of your upkeep, look at your first card of your library. if it is a creature card of the chosen type, you can put it in your hand.

Neat.

>>54758113
Hmm got 7 wizards/vampires in my Karloff. This might make a list

>>54760608
This could basically become a staple of any tribal deck

>>54760608

Horn of the Herald? - 3

When Horn of the Herald enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.

Creature spells of the chosen type cost 1 less to cast.

At the beginning of your upkeep, look at the top card of your library. If it is a creature card of the chosen type, you may reveal it and put it in your hand.

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i kinda wanna play this card in my janky bosh deck. it's a super dead draw later on in the game but i figure if i get it in my opener it's not bad at all.

has anyone tried it?

>>54760672
I'd rather play a normal, much cheaper reanimate spell that doesn't only have 7 targets, regardless of it coming with a body.

>>54760941
Its usage numbers are extremely low, so I'm guessing it's not so great.

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aight boys, i need some help cutting this down to 64 cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/akirithrasios-wip/

>>54760964
being monored i tend to run out of cards a hell of a lot despite playing every red and colorless wheel. i'm looking for more ways to have more cards consistently against my blue-heavy metagame.

>>54760941
i imagine it wouldn't be awful in an aurelia deck that drops its hand fast. it can easily get you upwards of 4 cards, especially if you have things like dolmen gate+iroas out.

>>54760970
i think your deck needs a more coherent theme

what's auriok salvagers for if you're not running the combo?

>>54759505
I got both for 20 bucks total on the best magic card side my man.

>>54761057
salvagers grabs back a bunch of the artifacts that will be targeted, milled, or sacrificed. it also gets back hangarback walker, which does work, especially when trying to boost akiri's power. the main goal is get lots of artifacts out so akiri can be very strong, but also have a fallback plan for if voltron isn't working out.

>>54760941
I've got a soft spot for this card, I like it in Slobad but I always tell myself the better option is to just ditch it and play Daretti as my commander.

>>54761094
salvagers only gets back like 4 things on the entire list though... and only one of those (expedition map) will reliably be in your graveyard to get use out of.

you might not want to use thrasios for this deck. you don't get much out of green and he's not that great if you're not using him as an infinite mana sink. silas renn is probably a better partner for akiri.

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How do you prefer to bring things back from the dead?

>>54760950
And by cheaper you mean? This guy is one mana more expensive then most reanimation spells that put creatures directly on the battlefield.

>>54761134
see
>>54761116

>>54761113
there will also be 5 artifact lands and the new self replicating axe in the list. it gets back a decent amount of stuff. sol ring, skullclamp, divining top, hangarback walker, codex shredder, basilisk collar, elixir of immortality if it got countered/destroyed/milled. it's enough stuff that will have found its way to the grave that salvagers becomes relevant. it's either auriok salvagers or salvaging station, and sometimes i'd rather have a creature

>>54758068
You're a closeted furry, congratulations.

>>54758068
>the art for this one is so furry its disgusting

It's a cat, anon. Like, a pretty much completely normal cat. I think the problem here is you.

>>54761148
i suppose it's decent insurance against mill if that's a thing in your meta, but like i said, if you go silas renn you won't have that problem.

your list is desperately missing sunforger and needs more ways of giving trample to akiri. you should also consider argentum armor as a target for godo. it's not bad on its own either.

things like order of whiteclay, flamewright, edric, and elixir of immortality seem like a bunch of random junk that don't really do a whole lot. your list seems VERY concerned with being milled, but a good solution to that is to just play one of the old eldrazi titans which shuffle your entire graveyard back into the deck if they get milled.

>>54761105
i feel you, man. i just love bosh too much to swap him out for the daretti i have in the 99.

Planeswalkers were a mistake

>>54761210
jace did 9/11

>>54761142
Sure I dig becon and rites but they are same price as this vampire dude. I'm not saying he is best thing since sliced bread and most optimal thing ever but he has its place(mostly because I can use another body with lifelink)

>>54761226
>but they are same price as this vampire dude
>Casting Unburial Rites from your hand

What kind of casual nonsense is this?

>>54761243
Mate this is like one cheaper. One. Rites are only good because you get two dudes out of one card

>>54761192
i like order of whiteclay as i keep a fairly low curve, edric is great because it encourages opponents to attack each other, flamewright can probably go. i just like it because it is a cheap artifact producer. elixir is a maybe but i like it. the deck is a little bit concerned with mill, more concerned with counters and fieldwipes though. i really like playing out of my grave and this is me trying to do that without black. i don't want to go silas renn because i already have a breya deck and two decks of the same colour combo is kind of boring.

>>54761253
>Rites are only good because you get two dudes out of one card

Incorrecto.
Rites is good because it's a free card in your graveyard. It's good if it never even touches your hand.

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>>54760229
>Avacyn Restored sold so many fucking packs because Christians don't like demonic stuff being prominent. Put a bright angel on a product and you'll make bank.

That sounds like a load of bullshit. Did all of these christians keep away from the Griselbrand packs?

>>54761269
>rites
>free from your grave
you're thinking dread return, bucko.

>>54761269
Then it is still one for one for 4 mana

>>54758113
Dammit, I was hoping for vampire knights.

>>54758162
i'd say proxies depends on your playgroup

if you have three people paying 200 euros for their commander decks but then the fourth guy proxies a deck for less but the actual cards are worth 500 then that's an issue to me

>>54761281
>>54761282
It's a free CARD, not a free spell.

>>54761282
>it is still one for one

It's not though. Flashback is such a powerful mechanic because it's like zero for one. You didn't lose card advantage playing it, it's a resource that costs nothing extra. It's like drawing a card when it's put in your graveyard from anywhere.

>>54761259
replace edric with ghostly prison/propaganda if that's what you're going for.

as for the recursion thing, you either need to be in an extremely mill-heavy meta or be self-milly enough to make a lot of these cards work. also, a bunch of those cards don't even get the cards back to your hand, they just shuffle your graveyard back into your library, which seems like a colossal waste of time as it doesn't even net you any card advantage. sure, you /might/ draw that sad robot you chumped with on turn 5, but is that really worth it?

if you really want to keep those two as partners, here are my suggested cuts:
angel of invention
auriok salvagers
edric
flamewright
iroas
master trinketeer
order of whiteclay
whirler rogue
elspeth
open the vaults
struggle // survive

and for god's sake put in more playable equipment if you're playing voltron and pick up a mycosynth lattice

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>>54761116
this card is cool, but expensive to buy, and slow to play.
but i'd say it is good.
also
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chainer%2C%20dementia%20master
is spicy tech

>>54758068
>furry
>a literal cat
>furry

Are you retarded anon

>at shop playing modern
>shooting shit with store bros, talking about maybe playing edh afterwards
>fat chick shows up dressed as a doll (white puffy dress, frilly stockings, and black buckle shoes) wearing cat ears
>asks if we'd mind her playing if edh happens
>"yea np modern is almost done anyways"
>"thanks. Oh I have a few banned cards in the deck. Is that okie? Teehee"
>finish modern then most of us dip
Why would anyone put banned cards in a deck, then try to join in on games assuming nobody would mind?

>>54761116
>Eternal Witness
>Genesis
>Verdant Confluence

in b4
>b-but it doesn't return it to the BATTLEFIELD
Nigga, i'm playing green, if i don't have 20+ lands by turn 5, something went catastrophically wrong.

>>54761457
I was asking myself other question, but yeah that's weird.

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if pic related was unbanned, would you play it?

>>54761509
Unironically yes

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>>54761509
Yeah, fuck agressive ramping and card draw.
Make white great again

>>54761457
Depends on which ones.
My playgroup let a Panoptic Mirror slide because the person playing it wasn't using it for Time Walk shenanigans.
Painter's Servant could also probably get a pass as long as they weren't doing the actual bullshit with it.

>>54761536
knowing people like the one he mentioned, it was probably shahrazad shit and other """fun""" cards of that nature

>>54758113

Fake

>>54761559
What prompted you to say this?

best way to make yourself discard cards in jund?

>>54761597
Red has wheels, black has self mill.

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>>54761597
cheap and effective in combination with cards like thought vessel and reliquary tower

>>54761597
single-use? wheels

multi-use? you've got lotleth troll, putrid imp, wild mongrel, etc.

>>54761623
Multi. I'm building a weird jund ramp deck and want to use my crucible and crucible snek to with card splendid reclamation to play a shit load of lands.

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>>54761635
you could do xira arien dredge, that would be pretty fucking neat

>>54761651
nah, i'm doing Vial-Smasher and Reyhan(for colors). I want to cast huge spells with Vial-Smasher because why the fuck wouldn't I?

>>54761620
>tfw you can't stop thinking about volleyball

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>mfw hoping the new elf&nail card checks out

>>54761667
countryside crusher is fucking dope

>>54761669
What?

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>>54761669
>>54761682
>Rough translation
>5GG
>Instant
>Choose a creature type. Reveal the top cards of your library until you reveal X creatures of the chosen type, where X is the number of creatures you control of the chosen type, and place them onto the battlefield. Shuffle the other revealed cards into your library.

>>54761672
that's an interesting card

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Good reprint

>>54761766
I figured he would be.

>>54761735
that's really cool.
topkek on the first reddit translation though

>tfw new players who pick up the format because of Cat Deck will get introduced to playing stax and hatebears

D E V I L I S H

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>>54761735
>MFW angry Omnath elemental tokens

>>54761904
>tribal/tokens*

>>54761509
>get to absolutely fuck over mono green cucks who spend the first 5 turns ramping
Yes

>>54761735
One card build-arounds aren't exactly doable but I like the idea of playing eldrazi spawn, eldrazi scion and those 3/2 eldrazi token generators and tutoring up the crew of Big Bois even if you're missing the "when cast" triggers.

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>>54762023
I'm ok with this.

>>54762052
ah yes but then you also have to sacrifice all your creatures because the player who plays balance has 0

well done cuck

>>54762115
no he doesn't

learn into stack

>>54762115
Spell is still resolving, the triggers do not resolve until afterwards.

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>>54761547
>I just really like elephants
:^)

>>54762143
the classic

"Is the answer to this question the same as the answer to the question 'will you stab yourself with this knife?'?"

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>>54762115
>>54762121
>>54762128
What matters in this case, is it not, that lands are sacrificed before creatures are so Titania still exists while lands are put into graveyard. (and after Balance finishes resolving Titania's triggers are put onto stack.)

If it were the other way around, as in creatures are sacrificed before lands are it wouldn't work, correct?

>>54762171
You're not specifying when he's supposed to stab himself and Frankie only works until end of turn. Not a combo.

>>54762212
all the shit that balance forces you to sac is sacced at the same time. the only thing that happens "in an order" is choosing the permanents/cards

again, learn into the stack

>>54762242
left that part out for brevity

>>54762243
>all the shit that balance forces you to sac is sacced at the same time
>6/8/2016: First the player whose turn it is chooses which lands (if any) to keep, then each other player in turn order does the same. Each player will know the choices made by the players who chose before them. All of the unchosen lands are then sacrificed simultaneously. Then the process is repeated for cards in hand, except that no cards are revealed until all players have chosen what to discard, at which point those cards are all discarded simultaneously. Lastly, the process is repeated for creatures, and players will again know earlier choices made when deciding what to sacrifice. All of the unchosen creatures are then sacrificed simultaneously.
Really activated my almonds.

>>54762258
The point is that all of it happens during Balance's resolution. No triggered abilities will be put on the stack until all of Balance is completely resolved. The order the actions occur in wouldn't matter, because there's not any way for the tokens to be put onto the battlefield before Balance is done.

>>54761116
Im playing Unearth and Victimize in Aunt Wort goblin tribal. So far Unearth has been amazing, but I have never drawn victimize outside of when goldfishing.

Do you anons have experiencia with victimize? It sounds preeetty amazing.

>>54762390
i love that shit. it's one of my all-time favorite reanimation spells.

though usually i just use it to bring back two pieces of a combo that i just buried alive'd into the yard.

>>54762390
Victimize is a house when it actually resolves, but since you don't sacrifice as a cost, it can get disrupted. It's dangerous, but well worth the danger.

>>54762364
>first
>then

>>54762435
And?

>>54762435
that's not how the stack works mate

Where do you buy your boosters?

I just order them online.

>>54762558

why would you buy boosters?

>>54762558
At a draft.

>>54762558
FLGS to support it, since they don't have a good stock of singles and I'm not touching their sandwiches with a ten foot pole.

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>>54762364
Wrong. This isn't about the stack at all, it's about having to do with how spells resolve. Spells and abilities resolve their text in an order given.
For example Torment of Hailfire first asks on do you want to sac nonland, discard or lose 3.
Then again.
And again.
For X times total.
You don't choose your options simultaneously.
Same with balance.
And before you point to "LE STACK!", this has nothing to do with the stack. It's about resolving a spell.

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I just want to complain for a sec.
I have this friend who can't help but build pub-stomo decks. This is why I tried so hard to get him into EDH in the first place, as I was tired of everyone we play with getting smashed off the board by his one 60-card deck. I figure we have a bunch of commons, why not throw together a pile of cards with a general and throw them at each other? He shows up with the Nekusaur precon with Omniscience, the old Nikol Bolas PW, and just wipes off the table Zedruu enchantments and Skullbriar plus whatever Golgari cards I had laying around.
So I get fed up and build Boonweaver, Reveilark Karador, and Removal + Counterspells Oloro. We stop playing for a while and then we meet up again recently. I have a 75% Scarab God deck, and I heard he was working on Krenko. I hoped he had learned to tone it down.
Our table got swarmed with Goblins by turn 4-6 every time. His turns would take 5-10 minutes from all of the Goblins he was playing, saccing for mana, flinging, tutoring.
Worse, immediately whenever one of us would get the upper hand he would immediately surrender, taking all the enjoyment out of earning some ground.
This guy is a great friend outside of the game table, and I love playing Magic, but fuck dude.

>>54762665
Ok, but the discussion is around what happens with Titania and Balance. Since in terms of resolving a spell the triggers are added after the spell resolves Balance does not get rid of the creatures made by Titania, though it may get rid of Titania but does not stop the triggers.

>>54762705
Correct, wanna read >>54762212 again and clarify to what you were objecting to.

And for the record >>54762115 is absolutely wrong.

>>54762731
Not me matey.

>>54762738
So that makes two 'wrong-rogues' who slipped out of the conversation it seems.

I've never played EDH.

I've been playing Legacy and later Modern for a total of 9 years.

Is EDH enjoyable? How long games last normally? How multiplayer games go out? Do people gang up, etc? How people view someone who'd play combo?

Enlighten me on EDH, /tg/. I wanna enjoy Magic again.

>>54762665
>>54762705
Oh, wait, I see the point he's making.
Yes, if Balance required you to sacrifice creatures first and you sacrificed Titania, then you wouldn't get any tokens when you sacrifice your lands.

It's kind of a pointless "if" scenario to discuss though.

So I recently moved and got a new edh group, going from a very casual group to a much more hardcore one. Generally I am fine, except for the host who plays nothing but hardcore combo decks and who wins 4 out of 5 games every night. Somehow the other players are used to this but I am already sick of it

Is there a commander that just hardcore shits on most noninteractive combo decks (he plays a range of like ten differeny ones)? Or is my only hope to embrace the faggottry and combo faster

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>>54762700
>Worse, immediately whenever one of us would get the upper hand he would immediately surrender, taking all the enjoyment out of earning some ground.

The rest I don't really see a problem with, it's just general tryharding, but if he does that every game he's about to lose then he's a salty little bitch who can't handle someone having an advantage over him. Introduce a "You can only scoop once a night" rule into your playgroup or something.

>>54762791
>Is there a commander that just hardcore shits on most noninteractive combo decks
depends how fast he wins

honestly you can either become a combo tryhard yourself if you truly want to win, but if you just want to ruin his day, you can play edric counterspells and just counter all his spells and make him sad

>>54762751
I think that's the real issue at hand here. Everyone jumped in at different points and were arguing like three different actual arguments between like 6 different posters.

>>54762791
Gaddock?

>>54762700
>would immediately surrender
I was okay with the spikey part, but this is just too much. If he's a great friend, then he wouldn't get offended if you called out on his bullshit. If he's not so great, but you still like to talk to him, just don't mix him with magic.

>>54762761
Its all about playgroup, some groups are more casual and play it as a social event, 3-4 hours play 2-3 games and spend time with each other while playing some casual magic with stupid cards, rarely comboing off or winning before turn 10.

Others play it more tuned and cutthroat; Stax, Combo and will regularly win on turn 3-4 and get in 6-7 games a night.

Lots of different groups may use different ban lists, mulligan rules, variations; planechase, emperor. It really about finding what you enjoy.

>>54762761
Great format if you have chill friends with to play online and love deckbuilding. In cardboard it can sometimes be an arms race as it isn't easy to have a vast variety of decks from the getgo. I have the most fun when my group plays spicy variants like emperor or sherif based EDH. Duel is a joke. It's the best format to play if you like making meme decks and still wining.

What is the best commander to DEUS VULT with?

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>>54762870

>>54762820
I really hate how the endgame of edh is just combo city. In my old playgroup we actually had exciting gamestates with actual combay steps where you'd have 2-3 turns to stop someone close to winning, now the game just suddenly ends

>>54762837
I was thinking that, although many of his decks are creaturebased. Stax seems more probable to me than counterspell control

>>54762761
>How people view someone who'd play combo?

edh is only really fun if people generally agree to tone down the combo autism to a minimum. judging from your post, you seem like you want to crank it to the max. keep in mind, most people play EDH so that there's a place for them to play their shitty dollar rares and minotaur tribals, not to maintain a sick nasty winrate

what exactly do you hope to get out of the format?

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>>54762900
You could play a bunch of anti-combo tech. Make it so he can't kill you, while he kills the rest of the table for you.

>>54757359
>How did you fare last EDH night?
got BTFO. got a new guy in our play group whos decks were way stronger than ours. im pretty happy about it though honestly cause now it gives me an excuse to start powering up my decks without my play group bitching about it

>>54762700
>>54762791
Two great examples of how commander is a fantastic format until people start taking it seriously

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>>54762761
>Is EDH enjoyable?
If you enjoy absurd card combinations you wouldn't see in other formats then yes.

>How long games last normally?
Depending on the powerlevel of the decks and the number of players, usually between 30 minutes and two hours.

>How multiplayer games go out? Do people gang up, etc?
Depends on how you play and how your playgroup is. If your group is super competitive they'll probably gang up on the person who's the biggest threat at the moment. If it's more casual they'll probably be more lax unless you walk up to a new group in your LGS with Prossh Foodchain or something similar.

>How people view someone who'd play combo?
You're looking at the format for Infinite Mana/Infinite Draw/Infinite Damage combos. Like I said above it depends on your playgroup, for example mine's fine with Infinite Mana/Draw combos but Infinite Damage ones aren't really well-liked out here. Start off with like one combo in your first deck and work your way up depending on your group's powerlevel.

It's literally the most fun format since you don't have to worry about set rotations, new bans every few months (Asides from one or two troublecards), or netdecking. It's feasible to play something like Tribal Goblins and actually win games here.

I want a reactive deck varies largely with the the decks I'm going against.
I was thinking memnarch clones and spells.

>>54762761
>How people view someone who'd play combo?
If you are unsure about your group's view on combo play incidental ones, like sloting Dualcaster Mage and Heat Shimmer on any Rx deck. Both have uses outside of going infinite and you can go off once and watch their reactions, if they're too salty about it, just use them as utility cards.

>>54762900
here's my advice: don't build stax. if you thought combo was cancerous, then stax is even more so. dropping a mana crypt into a winter orb is the surest way to force the rest of the group to spend a couple hundred dollars on their manabases to keep up with you, at which point your stax deck becomes mostly worthless because it usually isn't fast enough to lock tables down, but just annoying enough to slow games down to a crawl. and your only chance of winning is either a total, utter lockdown (which is really difficult) or slowing your opponents down enough to, you guessed it, combo out

counterspell control is vastly better for stopping arms races since you can be hyperspecific about what you hate. you can let craw wurms and sad robots resolve while stopping the combo player's tryhard shit. if he complains, you can just tell him to play more craw wurm tier shit so you don't need to counter everything he does.

>>54762665
>>54762435
>implying this isn't bait
No triggers are being resolved after each choice. They go on the stack and will resolve after Restore Balance/Torment of Hailfire do.

>>54760433
Land creature like Animate Land and friends, Kamahl and Jolrael, Elesh Norn and Crovax, Ascendant Hero, Kormus Bell?

what are some BIG white and blue creatures?

>>54760608
>Dinosaur tribal intensifies

Fucking time never goes as fast as I want it to go.

>>54762988
You make good points, I'd really like to be able to win some games without becoming what I hate, stax is probably not the way to do that

whats the cheapest place to preorder c17?

How long till the release of more spoilers?

So I made my Jund Vial-Smasher deck, and played with a couple friends for a quick game. I won, and here's how. Honestly, it was most likely they had no idea what I was trying to do.

All game I had been cycling lands or discarding them whatever way I could, while still curving out. I had Smasher, Dragon mage, Nissa Vital force emblem, Ramunap Excavator in play. Hit with dragon mage, discard cut///ribbons and 4 lands, draw 7, including splendid reclamation. Play Splendid Reclamation, put 10 lands into play, draw 10 cards. Next turn, aftermath cut///ribbons and win. It was pretty cool.

>>54763042
Majority of spoilers every day show up at 8am, when MTG starts posting their daily stuff.

>>54762991
The discussion was already resolved. Try reading them before jumping to conclusions.

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>>54757359
>How did you fare last EDH night?

Went 2/3 with my Krenko deck against a dude's Zozu deck, shenanigans with Goblin King and Reckless One were had. Dude was new though and was just borrowing the deck from another guy who was also new, the deck was mostly just goblins, pump spells, and burn spells with no real synergy with Zozu.

After that I did a 1v1 with that dude's friend who had a Kraum/Sidar Kondo deck which was mostly the Sans-Black precon with some substitutions here and there with my Skeleton Ship deck that I really need to fine-tune with the -1/-1 counter stuff from Amonkhet. Lost that game partially due to playing Armageddon Clock on like turn 5 and having not too many flying blockers against Kraum.

Then we did a FFA with my Yidris deck, the Zozu dude, the Kraum/Sidar Kondo dude, and a dude with Sultai Sidisi. Zozu and Kraum saw the Sidisi player as a bigger threat since they'd never beaten him before so they left me alone for a bit until I got Yidris through and cast In Garruk's Wake to take out Sidisi's Lili and some other dudes.

3/5 games isn't that bad.

>>54763045
Sounds like a neat deck, got a list?
I hope you're running Gitrog and Angry Borby too.

>>54763068
Which time zone?

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>>54763002

>>54763096
I have to go to work, but I can post this evening sometime. It's really like a rough draft right now.

>>54763105
>7/11
Is that a paki leviathan?

>>54763101
I presume 8am Seattle.

>>54763101
Sorry.

I am on the west coast, and in my arrogance I always assume everyone is in the same zone.

8am pacific (as Wizards HQ is in that)

Post your favorite race from each color:

White: Kitsune
Blue: Moonfolk
Black: Nezumi (Ratfolk)
Red: Akki (Goblins)
Green: Orochi (Snakefolk)

>>54763134
W: Avens
U: Vedalkens
B: Horrors
R: Goblins
G: Trolls

>>54757359
>>How did you fare last EDH night?


people had complained about my previous reanimator being uninteractive, so i made it into a sultai reanimator toolbox deck. so the first time playing it, i bounced, destroyed or stole anything threatening on the board for like 45 minutes straight until i eventually killed everyone with kokusho. i'm not sure if i want to tone down the deck since it's pretty light on wincons, it's just good at dealing with threats and squeezing out value

>>54763134
in b4 slivers

>>54763134
>White: avens
>Blue: merfolk
>Black: vampires
>Red: goblins
>Green: treefolk

>>54757359
>How did you fare last EDH night?
last night I played my Marath deck which runs almost no removal and really has no business winning games against competent people
lost that game because the atraxa player cracked a grimoire of the dead and got my path breaker ibex lol that was a slaughter

then I played my barely modified gaydudes deck which was fun but again it has no business winning any games

I just wanted to play edh and I did. It was fun.

>>54763134
W: Soldiers
U: Merfolk
B: Zombies
R: Goblins
G: Hydras

>>54763134
W: Elementals
U: Elementals
B: Elementals
R: Elementals
G: did i fucking stutter

>>54763125
>>54763129
Thank you
So 7 p.m. where I live

>>54763134
w:Humans
u:Humans
r:Humans
g:Humans
b:aetherborn

>>54763134
>Oh god why can't I be Japanese? - The Post

>>54763285
>not in wubrg

kill yourself

>>54762859
>>54762848
>>54762929
Thanks

Sounds great.

Online? How would one go around playing EDH online?

>>54762910
You got me there, already thinking of Yidris Storm... Honestly, I want to be able to play shitty tribals like goblins or grizzly bears (if that's even possible) and ram my dick hard down someones throat with a combo deck if they get out of place.

I'd also like to get a few very casual friends into MtG which I know for a fact would not spend much money or be competitive, as well as play jank with them and laugh to tears when stupid shit happens.

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>>54763305

>>54763310
Playing online can be done on xmage or cockatrice. I'd only recommend it if you have a solid group of friends to do it with. That way you can keep building and trying different decks. I'd avoid any public lobbies and matchmaking since everything is basically on a judge yourself system.
I play on them occasionally to test out builds and play with the few friends who are too poor to get cards or lazy to make proxies.

>>54763134
W: Angels
U: Fairies
B: Vampires
R: Orcs
G: Hydras

Pretty stiff list though, because I really like Clerics but mostly the multicolored ones. Also I really like the Boros Angels.

I picked Orcs because of Orcish Lumberjack and Orcish Squatters. Wish they did more Orcs honestly. They have an interesting design space.

>>54763310
>shitty tribals like goblins
Goblins are among the best tribes in EDH.

>>54763394
>R: Orcs
R.I.P. you

>>54763396
Good to know, again - I've never played EDH and am more of a competitive mix-maxing attitude, but I wouldn't mind enjoying Magic again in a similar fashion to how I first started it - in a more flavorful way.

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>>54763134
>W half elves
>U moon elves
>B drow elves
>R sun elves
>G wood elves

>>54763310
>You got me there, already thinking of Yidris Storm... Honestly, I want to be able to play shitty tribals like goblins or grizzly bears (if that's even possible) and ram my dick hard down someones throat with a combo deck if they get out of place.

interestingly i was going to accuse you of wanting to play something gay like yidris storm in my original post but i felt like it would've been too rude.

anyway it's not unusual for people to maintain 1 explicitly tryhard deck to deal with people who don't understand the format is designed for fun. i personally own a skithiryx deck for that purpose

but other than that, you usually want to gimp your decks enough so that you don't become the archenemy every game. people intentionally gimp their decks to reach the power level where all the archetypes are reasonably competitive with each other. edh is a very strange format in that you can be "That Guy" for wanting to win too much. it's more or less a solved format too, and all the "solved" decks are very uninteresting, expensive and fast.

>>54758564

White blue and white green are good, much better than red black

>>54763479
FAGGOT

>>54763134
Knight.
Merfolk or drake.
Horror.
Dragon.
Hydra.

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>>54763492
B..but.. I only like female Elves, I swear!

>>54759653
Lol 1 Timothy 2:9-15.

>>54763501
How can you tell?

>>54763501
the best part of elves is that its a race full of females :)

>>54763479
I wish there were Elves with interesting mechanics

3 months later
just got an email from dragonshield about getting a replacement for bad sleeves
those poor danes must still have dial-up

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>>54763540
Rub their ears really hard.

>>54763544
And queers.

>>54763562
I wanted interesting goblin/merfolk/elves for EDH, yet here we are looking at Harry Potter and some kittycats.

>>54757581
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphixs-pillowfort-of-drawing/

My Kruphix Pillowfort deck. It's been modified a little bit since then and I can't be arsed to fix it. The biggest change is Ætherize swapped out for Storm Seeker - because DUH. It only ramps itself and makes everyone else either ignore or murder me depending on what I might have out. No Dictates b/c Karametra's means I get hated out fast by whoever can exploit it and I'm not giving out more card draw. Only I should be drawing a lot more cards.

>>54763394
What kind of design space is there with Orcs? They're green and angry. That's it. Goblins do that and more. You're just a pretentious hipster doofus.

>>54763480
Seems fair, thought I'd never call storm/DD deck uninteresting (to play) I can imagine how painful it should be for other people to just sit for 10 or so minutes while one guy tries to not die to his own deck and one shot entire table.

That aside, format sounds enjoyable and I'll definitely get into it, especially if I get few friends into MtG through it and of off HS.

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>>54763643
>Pillowfort
ew

MINOTAUR TITS

>>54763685
What about them?

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>>54763685

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>>54763685
>minotaur
>not centaur
what are you? gay?

>>54763689
that sounds like something the "special" kids in middle school would shout after learning about greek mythology

>>54763704
>doesn't want a huge cow tongue to give you a greek kiss
Are you even alive?

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>>54763716

>>54763734
BBT!!!

>>54763650
I like obtuse spicy tech that can hurt you as bad as, or not worse, than it hurts the enemy. Orcish Artillery, and Lumberjack are fun and interesting designs.

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>>54761116

>No Dance of the Dead