Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

I have indeed played a maid. They were a good gorl for Master. Then they got their heart broken and killed him

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>>54670228
>They were a good gorl for Master. Then they got their heart broken and killed him

Hmmm....

>>54670215
>>54670257

You know what I want to see?

A celeb sextuple app. 6 players applying to a game with a full family of characters.

Given the current crop of celebs, who would be who?


Some suggestions:
>Slow as the Daddy
>Sleep as Elder Brother
>Wist as Cutest Daughter

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>>54670200

>>54670300
>Vult is the rapey uncle.

Are you subconsciously lewd? Do you leak your dark fetishes without noticing it?

>>54670300
Startoad as deadbeat uncle
Vult as pervy uncle

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Do you give the loot to the character who needs it most?

>>54670300
StarToad as the retarded fat nephew

>>54670330
I'm usually pretty good about holding back despite ERPing semi-regularly.

>>54670300
>Sleep as the youngest brother with a massive inferiority complex and desperate desire to be cool
>Sweagle as the cool uncle who gives the kids beer and porno mags.
>Disk as the dickass eldest brother
>Rory as the family pet

Now here's the question, who's the mom?

>>54670330
Not really. I tend to have some outlets I use for it, or I just fap furiously when I start thinking about letting them leak out.

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>>54670200

>>54670401
QANON

>>54670300
>>54670326
>>54670331
>>54670401
2hu as banished and exiled distant cousin fallen from grace.

>>54670401
Oh, okay, I like little brother Sleep better, that's good.

>>54670420
But he was banished from the Kawase/Startoad Spawning Ground Discord. Don't the celebs have their own Discord with blackjack and hookers?

Should incest be better/worse among the long-lived races vs the shorter lived ones?

>>54670453
Depends on how likely it is for the race in question to actually make a kid per instance of sex.

>>54670453
Depends on how rare/genetically diverse the race is: if they're like cheetahs, they're already fucking each other's close relations.

>>54670447
2hu still BTFO.

>>54670300
DHB as the rich but eccentric uncle.

>>54670401
>>54670424
>>54670420
>>54670570
Surely this family would have neighbors as well, am I right?

>>54670334

Sure. No reason not to.

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>>54670401
>massive inferiority complex and desperate desire to be cool
This should not bite as deep as it does.

>>54670625
We still love you and appreciate all you do for us, sleep.

>>54670599
DHB works better as a neighbor. Or a family friend.

Celebrities were a mistake.

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God damn weeaboos posting trash topics.

I had someone who played a catgirl in a space campaign, she was the starship maid and carried a katana with it's sheath being disguised as a broom.

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http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uhus?Is-N-Jolly-still-alive

>>54670625
It's a complex. It's not literal inferiority, but instead a biting self-criticism borne of insecurity. Get it straight, dummy.

What's the best class for an unarmored polearm wielder if 3pp is allowed?

>>54670893
If only to sate my own curiosity, why is your polearm wielder unarmored?

Ayo lads.

What's the best way to get a bunch of attacks with thrown weapons? Full BAB + Rapid Shot?

>>54671010
You'll need Quick Draw, too.

>>54670893
Wizard

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>>54671010
Telekinesis

What setting is most similar to Greyhawk with pathfinder
Can I just play greyhawk in pathfinder?

>>54671089
You can, yes. Most everything on d20pfsrd is written to be setting-agnostic, though that can make it hard to cross-reference if you're also trying to look it up somewhere else.

>>54670893
Would you be willing to wear a mithral chain shirt under your normal clothes? They're light enough they can be worn under clothing.

>>54671100
I have the old Greyhawk 3.5 book, is it just like a straight conversion from 3.5 to PF or are there any big differences?

>>54671017
Righto, thanks friend.

Looking to throw as many axes as possible.

>>54671115
Well, the thing is that most of the stuff like regional traits, religion traits, and a lot of the more flavor-based archetypes are shackled to specific Gods, nations, or other things from Golarion. You'd basically need to take them as they come and re-jigger them so they fit in Greyhawk.

I honestly don't know much about the setting, beyond what I got in the 3.5 PHB and through reading 1d4chan, so the best I can say is that it's not going to be all that hard.

How do you guys find games to play?
Gamefinder threads are pretty cancerous and the idea of using the Roll20 LFG scares me

>>54671190
For better or worse, /pfg/ turned in on itself and started making games almost exclusively for people who browse /pfg/ and their friends on Discord.

It's resulted in a glut of games over the past half-year, slowed down now that most of the more proactive players and GMs have full schedules.

>>54671190
I don't; my GM Dom tells me what I'll be playing each day after I finish giving him his morning rimjob.

>>54671190
The Roll20 LFG is actually usable. You definitely need a lot of patience and vigilance, but I have had more good games than bad using it.

>>54671115
Make sure you replace Asmodeus's game mechanics with another deity's because whether or not a character is a god is a pretty big deal.

>>54671247
I've been on roll20 for 5 years now, with over 1500 hours of genuinely playing games, and my experiences with LFG have been consistently bad.
Is the pathfinder community less cancer on roll 20? because I had someone vehemently swear that pathfinder's community is 100% garbage

>>54671004
Art. Finding art before doing everything else makes it way easier than finding art afterwards, trust me.

>>54671108
Possibly. What do you have in mind?

>>54671323
The Pathfinder LFG community is surely better than 5e is right now. You do need to avoid games with red flags, and if you're the GM, you need to screen each applicant with some kind of interview using the same medium (text, voice, video) as the game.

>>54671323
I only have 1000 hours and my experience with Roll20 has been reasonably good.

It's really easy to sort out games where people have a semblance of having shit together vs ones that don't. Even my worst Roll20 experiences were mediocre.

Purely hypothetically, what kind of instrument would a savage vampire rapist play?

>>54671474
Flute.
Ever seen Kannazuki no Miko?

>>54671496
I haven't.

>>54671561
It's basically the quintessential yuri romance. In that the heroine's love interest rapes her with a flute and still gets portrayed as a tragic figure.

>>54671474
a barrel organ

>>54670200
Yes I did.
It was a male kitsune.

>>54670893
Spheres of Might's Conscript. They can gain talents that help them function unarmored, and spear fight one handed. On top of their other combat abilities.

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>>54670200
Not yet, but I have an Android maid prepped for the first game I find where the DM doesn't have Android-phobia.

>>54670200
I think Starfinder PDFs are out for some people. Some random person on the pathfinder facebook group made a stream talking about their pdf.

>>54671937
Sauce for this cutie anon?

>>54672231
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=22441424
The thing is tagged GODEATER so I assume she's from that series.

>>54672129
Anyone on here who got one willing to leak screenshots for us poor fuckers that have to wait 2+ weeks?

>>54672281
Danke schoen

>>54670453
More prevalent among less organized and more long lived races, because less chances of genetic malfunctions and more need to teach their young what the hell they need to be doing to increase numbers.

I am an unrepentant xenophile with twisted fantasies.

Is it just me, or is Virtuous Bravo... actually a really acceptable Swashbuckler solution?

You still Smite Evil, but now have Precise Strike in addition (ie add 2-3 times your level to each attack).

You can add Cha to attack rolls and saves (and AC in a bad way but you can also get a huge attack roll and parry things) so your Panache stat is absolutely not a waste anymore.

You have Lay On Hands and Channel Energy, Detect Evil and fear immunity.

You still have Divine Bond, so you actually have the 100% mandatory-to-function Keen enhancement provided by your class in addition to lots of bonuses, or a mount to do enormous damage with (none of the deeds stop working while mounted).

Maybe it's worse than Paladin casting? But it's as naturally damage-focused as melee classes can get, actually serves some useful purposes outside of hitting, and can fully put its stats to use. Swash isn't a high bar but these things are actually all it needed to not be a total failure.

>>54670200
Say something nice about every Intrigue app, /pfg/!

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>>54670200

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cx6Q2UTfL9yR1Zbh8uy7ZFYzql6ZFDTppZ8AdeeNsbw/edit?usp=sharing

Hey, it's me, that guy who wrote the Minor Gestalt homebrew rules with a point-buy system.

No, not that guy, the other guy.

I'm back with another better draft of the rules for you all to throw tomatoes at.

Major Changes:
>Added "Basic Benefits" category for things like HD and BAB
>Segregated 3rd party material
>Rewrote many of the choices

>>54672568
Everyone submitted a character they like :3

Is it possible to wield a weapon two-handed "wrong" or do you never take off-hand penalties?

>>54672867
Why would you take off-hand penalties for a two-handed weapon? Are you talking about TWF or double weapons?

>>54672688
Point costs seem arbitrary.

Why does gaining channels cost the same as an alchemist or bard extract/spell progression?

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>>54672688
I hope you removed all traces of Celestial Amphibian.

>>54672907
Point cost is going to be very difficult to balance. Do please point out any cost that seems to high or low.

Channeling is too high, I agree. However, I will point out that Bard casting costs 4, not 3.

>>54672908
I removed everything I considered distinctly his. He is welcome to PM me to request that other features be removed.

>>54672688
In the majority of cases I'd gestalt Sorcerer instead of some other caster for their bloodline arcana.
You've specifically excluded bloodline arcana from the bloodline poaching option.

>>54672964
Blood arcana is certainly important. I excluded it because know of people who abuse the shit out of it.

However, now that I think about it, most people who abuse it go crossblooded for double the arcana. You can't do that with this system, so it should be safe to allow anyone to get one bloodline arcana.

How do mythic paths work?

>>54673128
You take what they give you and slap it on top of what you already had.
If you want a more specific answer you'll need a more specific quesiton.

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What's your favorite animal companions PGG?

>>54673142
why does the snek smile
why is the smile so cute

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>>54673180
is happy. snekpanions do cute thing liek this.

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>>54673200
And for a version that would make an excellent basis for a couatl but in reality is just actually an extremely oversaturated picture

Have late game snekpanions too!

>>54670401
>Rory as the family pet, the fluffiest pupper

fixed it

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>>54670200
Hi

>>54673344
t. Rory

>>54673564
Have you seen the review I wrote for you?

>>54673573
Yea thanks

Can war turn a neutral/caothic good character into a lawful evil?

>>54673595
Possibly, but it's not going to be a sharp, direct change so much as a gradual slide, events just piling up one by one as he slips into being Neutral, then Lawful Neutral, then finally LE. And that'd probably have to be a long fucking war for all that to happen.

>>54673744

Wars are constant, only briefly interrupt by (on year-long) truces, so its all fine.

A fair while ago, I made an alignment system write-up for a game I never really wrote much but fluff on.
I know that it's probably going to cause a flamewar no matter what, so I'll just leave it here.
https://pastebin.com/eNTzm2np

Would you play in a game where one player was objectively the main character? By design both thematically and mechanically. An app process would pick them and another process for the rest of the party who serve them.

>>54674262
No, because DMPCs suck and what you describe is a case of "GM's Girlfriend plays."

>>54674296
That'd only be true if Wist or QANON got chosen as the hero

>>54674328
It's bad no matter who the player of the main character is, and saying otherwise is blatant stupidity.

>>54674328
>>54674296
>>54674349
What if Tuv is the Main Character?

>>54674262
Sure. Most of my characters are written as 'side characters' anyway.

Plus it would be nice to have a party with a designated leader who will actually drive the fucking plot for a change.

>>54674359
Seriously does not matter.

You're removing agency for the players to show favoritism to a single player, period. It can't be done well.

>>54674359
Then I'd quit. He's shit and would just have us all playing nodachifags or ladyknights.

>>54674400
Why are you still here anon?

>>54674328
>dating game where we all fight over Wist or QANON
F U N D I T
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I
T

>>54670401
Nobody really makes mothers, I blame the fact having a kid is the ultimate example of "used goods" and would condemn a character to being locked out of most private scenes with other players.

>>54674669
What if you're old enough for the kid to have left but you still look cute?

>>54674669
Tell that to ikid

>>54674733
IKiD is an exception that proves the rule, since Gloriana is in a hardcore smut game where she's explicitly getting into ever more depraved situations. Not really something for the cute romance.

>>54674732
You're looking at a minimum of 28 years old, buckaroo. Knocked up at 14 and he left at 14.

>>54674631
[aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa's internally]

>>54670200
I play a dragon meido in Dragons 1. Using Gonzo II's battle butler class, so yes, she has to designate one person per day as her "Master" in order to make half her class features function.

In terms of RP, think the animu trope of the "dangerously competent help" instead of "yearning for headpats."

Being as she is a dragon, she got into maiding because of an innate desire for order...and thus sorting and organizing Mama Lua Culdranth's hoard in the Demesne. Her short-term (for a dragon, at least, so "long-term" for more mortal races) goal is to become the power behind the throne and rule subtly instead of overtly.

>>54674669
The other problem with being a mother is that, unless the kid is actually grown up or already dead, you're very likely going to have a small easily killed child traveling with you.

>>54674767
Why not be a yokai kitsune? Or an elf?

>>54674797
And if the child is neither of those things than they've been taken away from you, either as part of the plot or some aspect of your backstory - and if your child was taken away or given up than that's just going to make you look worse.

Don't get me wrong, a mom character could work very well, but it's going to make some aspects of typical /pfg/ campaigns VERY hard to gain

I dont see how you people even need pathfinder rules anymore at this point

>>54674828
To justify being defeated for the monster rape obviously

>>54674767
Gloriana has literally done more hugging, head patting, and cuddling than anything degenerate

>>54674858
But they make so strong characters anyway they cannot lose?

>>54674880
Tell that to Vult

Erinyes Tiefling or Succubus Tiefling?

>>54675045
what

>>54674871
I'm reminded of a joke:

>An old irishman shuffles into a bar at sundown with his eyes low and his head down, he takes a seat in the back corner of the bar, despite the snickers and jeers of the patrons. A tourist, interested in this bit of local culture, buys two pints and takes a seat across from the old man. The pair introduce themselves, and the man, whose name is Billy, seems overjoyed that someone doesn't recognize him. They talk for hours, before finally getting to the question of why everyone laughed when Billy entered.

>The old man responds with, "You see this bar we're standing in. I built it with me own hands! but they don't call me the bar builder, no! And the bridge everyone uses to cross the river to get to the market, I built that that with me own hands too! But do the call me the bridge builder? No, they don't. And the wall that protects our city, I built that with me own hands too! And they don't call me the wall builder neither. But you fuck one goat..."


That's the PLD crew. You all fucked the goat, then wheeled out the proof for all the world to see. Doesn't matter how many bridges, or bars, or house you build. You're still goatfuckers.

>>54674824
Unless the kid was left with a househusband or something, but let's be honest that's much less likely in your typical fantasy setting.

Refluff the kid into animal companion or familiar

>>54675097
That's not rational anon, and terribly rude.

>>54674824
Bah, it's easy enough. Just make her a suitably long-lived race to have had her kids and still be a tasty MILF by 50 or so - even a half-elf would suffice - and then have the kids gravitate around her in various shapes of plot device, cohort and simple NPCs.

It's like DHB's meme knight, except with a 63 twist on it.

>>54675418
Aasimar could work for that, actually. I don't think it's hereditary, and before the nerf they were long-lived enough to have kids that were completely grown up and still be immensely fuckable.

Turns out though that half-elves have human ages now though, so that's not going to work.

>>54673344
You need to escape the Shackles of memes, friend. Break out of this dunce act and grow into a true knight.

>>54675495
>turns out that half-elves have human ages
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/alignment-description/description/
How far up your ass are you pulling this from?

>>54675097
I was just thinking about that joke the other day. You're absolutely right, Anon.

>>54675540
Huh, I remembered half-elves being like, 10 years beyond humans, 20 tops.

>>54675045
Succubus Tiefling. Devil Tieflings are awful, but Demon Tieflings are arguably the best

>>54674824
>>54674797
Genderbent Lone Wolf & Cub would be gold and you know it

>>54675308
Why? It's true, some things are just a part of you now.

>>54675560
Yeah, no. Humans get to middle-age by 35, whereas Helfs go to 62 before even starting to show any aging effects. This means ample time to mother a generation or two of kids, and would also explain why you're still a fairly low level adventurer at that sort of age. And even after middle age, humans have about half of that age category to go before they actually hit menopause, which if translated to helf years would land them somewhere in the vicinity of 75 before shriveling up.

Helfs are a really, really good race, especially considering they don't have the weird "100 year childhood" meme that normal elves do.

>>54675594
I need this.

>>54675608
This is the Not!Renaissance, anon. Fertility drops dramatically around 30-35, it's not like modern times where you could still be popping kids at 40.

>>54675308
People aren't rational, memester. You're fighting a losing battle.

>>54675608
Half-Elves are unironically my favorite race

>>54675308
Rapists, child molesters and dogfuckers hold onto their actions until the day they die. Society needs some things that are unforgivable.

>>54675661
That depends entirely on your supply of magic and memes to make up for it, anon.
>>54675675
Helfs are by far the best core race, both mechanically and for making fluff out of.

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>>54675608
>the weird "100 year childhood" meme
Which makes absolutely no sense from any possible direction you can go at it from.
The distinction is not a physical or mental one, it is cultural.
Elves live real fuckin' long and pop out babies less often, so they consider their children as kids that need protected for longer.

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>>54674262
Yes, I would. Then I could finally play a maid, butler, apprentice, servant, knight, younger sibling, hyper-zealous yandere evil minion, wise-cracking smartass familiar, or any of dozens of other characters I'd like to try that need an authority figure.

>>54675707
Indeed, but that doesn't make it any less part of the RUUUUUUUURES for a dickish GM to wave in your face.

>>54675675
>>54675689
You people disgust me.
Halfbreeds are the stupidest thing to have ever happened to the hobby, especially when those halfbreeds are all clogging up the core race list.
Why play an orc's rape baby when you could instead play an actual orc?

>>54675771
Because Orcs are adds, not a race for your toon.

>>54675771
Orcs are trash and neither half nor whole orcs should be playable, or even still around in the setting.
Orc genocide when?

>>54675771
Well Orcs have +4 Str and -2 to all mental scores which locks you into like 2 classes.

Hey, what's /pfg/'s opinion on skinwalkers?

>>54675682
Those all involve action and force, which is not present in smut games. And in fact I know a hell of a lot worse has gone on in PMs

Also dogs are intelligent enough to consent

W-what do you think about Anne in Skullfucking Shackled Monstergirls, /pfg/?

>>54675838
and they are an evil race so they are not for PCs

>>54675886
Who the fuck are you and why are you arguing about this? Stop.
Stop it right now. There's no winning this for you at this point.
Please, just stop.

>>54675872
I really like them, they're a varied race with a nice range for backstory.

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>>54674631
....why not both?

>>54675886
>dogs are intelligent enough to consent
IT'S TIME TO STOP

>>54675913
Say that to my good drow ranger.

>>54675905
Which one's anne?

>>54676012
Vampire helf.

>>54675886
When you can show me a dog who can give you written permission to fuck it, then you can come to California, show a judge, and proceed to fuck it.

Yes, that's California law. Good luck obtaining that written permission.

>>54675905
YOU JUST POSTED HER AT 10:00 AM EST.

CALM DOWN.

>>54675913
I think monsters with evil in their alignment are just the norm rather than the rule, so LG Orcs are fully feasibly, just unlikely.
Outsiders, on the other hand, are ALWAYS tied to their alignment because that's how the magic planes thing works.

>>54676032
>CALM DOWN.
Fine.

>>54676026
Commiefornia is insane though, never use it as reference

>>54673017
I don't see why crossblooded sorcerers should be a cause for your concern. There's only a handful of builds that aren't made better without the archetype.

>>54676068
Vult, stop.

>>54676082
You know there are other people in this general that go to pol, right?

>>54676032
Well, what do you think about Cephaiea, then!?

>>54674262
>Would you play in a game where one player was objectively the main character?
Yes, but then you go on to say
>serve them
Main character does not imply servitude of the other characters. I'd probably pass.

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When you have evil characters, NPC or otherwise, Do they have loved ones? And do they engage in hand-holding and snuggles?

>>54676120
You serve your king and maintain autonomy, don't you?

>>54674262
aaaaaa only if I could serve DHB~

>>54674815
How the hell do you run a yokai kitsune? I tried to ask the other day but you? ignored me.

>>54676123
Lardposter pls go

>>54676156

I see nothing of the sort here.

>>54676144
Nobody asked me, anon!

Yokai are a special racial variant for Kitsune available in Bloodforge! These kitsune are much like the kitsune of Japanese lore- they are foxes that can shapeshift into humanoid men or women, but they have distinguishing features like tails and ears and other things that can give them away. They live for up to 1,000 years, with every 100 years giving them a new tail. When they hit exactly 1000 years old, they ascend (which the DM is supposed to treat as 'death by old age'.)

That enough for you?

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A new Starfinder faction was posted, but I think the following quote from the devs is more important and I'll post it first.

>Note: there are no lawful good paladins in Starfinder


http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lk0g?Faction-Overview-Acquisitives

A Union of Mercenaries that sponsors people and literally puts their corporate logo on you sounds cool

>>54676192
Yes. Are any of the racial traits different? Thank you!

>>54676133
>ywn serve the Great One
>hwn give you the gift of cookies
This pain will slay me

>>54676118
She's kind of generic? She's a bubbly go-getter that takes care of her worthless NEET sister, but it doesn't feel very grand or ambitious to me. Why should she stick around after you control the ship?

>>54676293
>no lawful good Paladins

Wipe this meme from the face of the Earth

>>54676293
there is no paladin class in starfinder anyway

>>54676293
But I love lawful good paladins that smite heathens and degenerates

>>54676293
SPONSORSHIPS CONFIRMED

SPACETUBE CELEBRITY CONFIRMED.

>>54676123

Yeah, demons and devils should always have at least 3 steady lovers

>>54676369
What about tieflings?

>>54675608
How is that a meme?

>>54676386
Tiefs are just little sluts. No sense of commitment

>>54676386
Tieflings are sluts and whores, Aasimar can be too but they're usually forced into the industry.

>>54676361
I want to make a character who has 24/7 stream camera always on and trailing behind her and is a total whore

>>54676394
It makes no sense.

Why so many character sheets lack a place to write down the class/classes?

>>54676307
>>54676338
No lawful good Paladins!

>>54676312
We both know that the following will be posted over and over here:

>"Guys, I know that [SPECIES and/or CLASS] is broken and that even the chapter on conversion says not to do it, but I won't accept anything less and I'll ruin the game if I don't get what I want."

>>54676361
WHAT COMPANIES DO YOU WANT ENDORSING YOU?

RAIN PONCHO, INC?

WAYLAID YETNANI?

>>54676419
What species and class?

>>54676444
What's wrong with the space provided by Myth-Weavers?

>>54676503
>>54676419
Sounds like a Technomancer with a drone buddy... Or an Envoy.

Either way, both are Idols.

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>>54676503
>RAIN PONCHO, INC
YES

>>54676503
I WANT TO SPONSOR ENERGY DRINKS AND POTATO CHIPS!

>>54676407
>>54676416

Tieflings confirmed for pathological floozies.

Demons and devils might be Polyamorous but at least they're loyal.

Summarise the Intrigue apps, /pfg/!

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>>54676526
Make sure to seal your spaceship.

>>54676572
I can see the Vesk (the reptile people, right?) doing religious outreach at sporting events

>>54676419
Will she just spontaneously engage in semi-public sex acts with strangers?

>>54676625
Only for subs

>>54676613
That's sad, though. Can they not struggle against their human nature and become faithful?

>>54676625
Sounds like a thing she'd schedule for her viewers.

>>54676672
Loyal viewers are always tuned in, silly. I could see her scheduling outings and trips, and people just have to know that she's gonna get fucked by somebody when she goes out, ya know?

>>54676421
I disagree.

>>54676641

Such is the degeneracy of human kind that allows them to sleep with another without knowing their name. then sleeping with their sister.

How often do you use firearms in your campaigns? I'm kind of interested in playing a classical arquebusier, but I've never played pathfinder before, how common are DMs that would allow this?

>>54676728
Things will get really interesting when she's recording her time spent in the Drift! I could see paying viewers voting on what she should do for a day, like agree to anything someone says or suggests!

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So these are your factions so far:

So the factions are:
Exo-Guardians: security
Second Seekers: fan club
Wayfinders: explorers
Dataphiles: knowledge
Acquisitives: bling

Please note that there won't be a dedicated Sulver Crusade style organization, no "good guys and girls sign up here" faction.

Which one appeals to you so far?

>>54676811
I'd allow it. That sounds fun, and guns are weak. You might even get some help.

>>54676820

Well, there's the Hellknights, flying in fortress ships on a grand crusade against those who would destroy the galaxy. That seems little a pretty "Good" mission.

>>54676785
>ywn be a sexy tiefling babe that fucks a guy and then fucks his sister in the same night

Why live?

>>54676852
They're Lawful. Lawful is evil.

>>54676848
How are guns weak? A musket does 1d12, and reload speed can be pretty much negated by the time you'd even be able to make more than one attack a round.
I've only played 3.5 before, is the balance this different?

>>54676869
get out of here james jacobs

>>54676811
>How often do you use firearms in your campaigns?
Never.

>how common are DMs that would allow this?
Very common. I'd allow it. D&D has been broader than just medieval european fantasy for decades.

>>54676886
People around here are just minmaxing weirdos who think having a slightly unoptimized weapon will ruin the game.

>>54676886
The mechanics are even less impressive compared from the perspective of a 3.5 player. Pathfinder has a lower power level than 3.5 when remotely close to optimized.

Guns aren't great action economy or utility.

>>54676886
Disregarding proficiency, to keep up with a bow, you'll need not only PBS and Precise Shot, but Rapid Shot and Rapid Reload, plus some class feature to reduce the 2handed non-advanced firearm reload time to free. This is 4 feats at level 6, which outside of Fighter and Gunslinger, eats up all your stuff, and you want to remain flexible.

>>54676820
Those are SFS-exclusive factions.
They don't mean anything in non-SFS play.
Just like PFS has some shitty factions noone outside PFS cares about.

>>54676817
That's pretty lewd. I like it.

>>54677010
What are some examples of the PFS factions?

>>54677053
http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/rpg/factions
It's dumb shit noone outside PFS knows or cares about.

>>54676958
>Slightly unoptimized
>A weapon that is just an expensive crossbow that breaks on a nat1
>It's still weaker than a shortbow, let alone the longbow or hornbow

>>54676994
Wouldn't you just be able to use alchemical cartridges, which when included with the musket master archetype's free rapid reload for musket. In addition, PBS and Precise shot can be achieved at first level by just choosing human, which is exactly what a ranger would pick, with rapid shot at level 3 as normal

>>54676820
Exo or Data, I guess, but those are all pretty weak

>>54676886
Bows are better with less investment, is all.

>>54677080
Unless you are a lv5 gunslinger you are still not getting shit for Dex2Damage, which is the kicker.

>>54676958
Go fuck yourself you lying piece of shit.

>>54676886
The base range and thus touch-targeting are extremely short. That is to say, it's well inside melee range, so you don't have the safety one would expect of a 'ranged' user.

The damage may seem nice, but 1d8 vs 1d12 is only a 2 point average difference (4.5 vs 6.5), and the longbow does not need special class abilities to get strength to damage. In other words, even at low levels, it might already have 1d8+2 (so same average damage; higher minimum lower maximum), but will likely go much higher. Imagine when you're getting 5 attacks at 1d12 and the other guy's getting 6 attacks at 1d8+8.

Damage is also heavily based on number of attacks. And this is where the "building" cost comes in.

An archer can be anyone of any class. Pick up bow. Get as many attacks as your BAB+haste+feats+etc allow. You're even getting access to Manyshot, which is bow-exclusive (as are quite a few magic effects actually...)

A guy with a musket? With no special abilities or feats, it is a full round to load. So, you can fire one turn, spend the next round reloading and nothing else. At level 1 the guy with the bow has fired twice and could move each time. You take a feat and get your reload down to a move action? That's a feat gone. A feat a bow user can grab rapid-shot with. And then manyshot. You finally have just your basic BAB per round and the other guy's getting two more shots above and beyond it. And each shot may already be dealing more per hit than yours.

>>54673142
I saw this once at a FL reptile farm. still neat!

>>54677253
>Go fuck yourself you lying piece of shit.

He's not wrong, though.

>>54677253
The real difference being...Guns are cool, bows are drool

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>>54677281
Stormwind Samefag

>>54677303
No one said anything about Stormwind Fallacy.

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>>54677285
As are fezzes

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>>54677010
>mfw all the cool shit is locked behind bad shit

I DON'T WANT TO JOIN YOUR FUCKING CULT, PAIZO.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

SOON?

>>54677322
what did he mean by this

Haha JK guys misclick

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>>54677322
>>54677335
TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT.

>>54677313
And bowties. Bowties are cool.

>>54677335
Fuck if I can tell, the website just shit the bed from, I assume, hundreds of people simultaneously reloading to try and see if their order has been processed.

Can a soulknife dual-wield with other weapons?

Like say you have a soulbolt, there's a 2h version but there's also a 1h version and a does-not-use-hands version.

Can you dual wield with a real weapon of similar category (ranged or melee) with one of the latter two?

>>54676294
You gain Fox Shape, and that's your true form. You look like a foxgirl in your humanoid form.

>>54677303
Stormwind does not mean what you think it means

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>>54677360
Bowties are not cool.

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>>54677285
You know what else looks really fucking cool but sucks shit? Crossbows. You know what's still technically better off than guns? Crossbows.

On a related note, Alchemists should get proficiency with the Launching Crossbow.

>>54677380
So why are your posting here and not F5ing like the rest of them? Step it up senpai

>>54677380
Hold on, would I have access to the PDF if I subscribed to Starfinder right now barring server issues?

>>54677405
Is the female Doctor going to wear a bowtie?

>>54676958
>People around here are just minmaxing weirdos
I wish. Then I wouldn't be a pariah.

>>54677420
No, you only get access to the PDF when your order starts the shipping process

>>54677401
>People around here are just minmaxing weirdos who think having a slightly unoptimized weapon will ruin the game

If told to an actual newbie, it's kinda borderline, trying to get him to shoot himself in the foot not realizing how far his concept will set him back.

>>54677421
Jesus Christ can you imagine if Amy had been the next doctor?

>He's become his mother-in-law

>>54677415
Why do you think I noticed there were server problems?

>>54677420
Yes, but no. You would get your PDF when the book actually ships, but given the demand that would probably be sometime next week. You'd probably be better off saving yourself $60 or so and just buying the PDF on release, unless you also want the book.

>>54677448
Sure, but this place IS full of minmaxing weirdos

>>54677384
Forgot to add- that's it. That's all it changes- you reach adulthood at 50, by the way.

>>54677384
Seems a bit OP compared to regular kitsune. They could at least drop Low Light Vision for it.

>tfw no practiced spellcaster

>>54677448
>Stormwind does not mean what you think it means

>>54677497
It's small sized instead of tiny, and it was made before Blood of the Beast. Regular Kitsune are also shit. Augunas a shit, fuck Augunas with a rusty spoon.

Search for it in this playtest doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit

>>54677488
Yeah but guns are nowhere near an issue for just massive charop obsessives. It's not "it fails to eeke out the highest echelons of DPS", it's "game mastery required to even try its most basic functions"

>>54677448
But what he said wasn't wrong, you absolute retard.

>>54677488
Not everyone is 2hu, anon

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>>54677521
>Regular Kitsune are also shit.

>>54677530
Lying through your teeth about the value of the equipment isn't being wrong?

Guns are complete shit. Telling someone to just ignore that is deliberately misinforming them in order to make sure their character sucks.

>>54677550
I look up to 2hu and wish to emulate his success.

>>54677521

Don't regular kitsune have an ART that gives them Fox Shape at level one, though?

>>54677571
Yea but you lose Kitsune Magic

>>54677550
2hu has many disciplines here

>>54677550
2hu is cute! CUTE!

>>54677571
Theirs a Fox shape feat you can take as a Kitsune, you need BAB +3 and Charisma 13

>>54677563
That is still not what Stormwind means
Stormwind means that stronger your character is, the shittier it is at RP
It has nothing to do with state of firearms in PF

>>54676811

Most settings are not even medieval.

I hereby coin a new idea: the "Weebwind Fallacy." Pretty self-explanatory.

>>54677550
I AM 2HU.

Wouldnt it make more sense for guns to shot once and then you assault?

>>54677550
>>54677567
>>54677587
>>54677597
>>54677654
Friendly reminder that 2hu is fallen from grace and lost basically all goodwill for pirating DSP books.
Got him banned permanently from the Discord.

>>54677550
2hu is fine. He's less autistic than Touhou itself.

>>54677705
If there's any proof that /pfg/ are DSP shills, it's this. Hilarious.

>>54677759
Since when was it okay to screw over small time 3pp publishers with piracy?

>>54677556
Regular Kitsune are mechanically solid, it's just the fluff and association with Augunas that is shit. I've been warming up some, though that's more to do with knowing my group knows how to cull stuff none of us like.

>>54677780
>suddenly against piracy when it just happens to be their favorite third party Pathfinder publisher

You are so transparent.

>>54677682
It could, except, as they are they're not worth it. You'd also expect the same from crossbows as well.

However, the idea of "strong single hit then go do something else" was completely tossed out and derided by developers for 3e and paizo. A strong single shot weapon "breaks the game", so it has to be weak. But it would be unrealistic if the strong single shot weapon that takes forever to reload no longer took forever to reload, so that part is kept. Because realism is important in pathfinder you see.

>>54677705
Only the garbage Discord

>>54677780
Information ought to be free

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>>54677796
What's wrong with the Kitsune fluff?

>>54677813
Does carnal knowledge count?

>>54677805

Then, just house rule it. Either make guns reload faster or do more damage. Same with the crossbow.

>>54677811
Still means 2hu got BTFO.

>>54677796
Tell me about Kitsune fluff

>>54677837
If you're paying for that it's illegal, so yeah

You need a gun to do a proper genocide

>>54677841
People houserule it all the time.

This does not solve the original problem however. The bad rules and mechanics are still there. They still come standard.

Think of it this way. Say a car model comes with NO FUCKING BRAKES. Yes, you can then have some installed for your individual car, but it's still a model with no fucking brakes.

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>>54677877
it doesn't have to be guns.

>>54677877
Tell that to leftists

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>>54677850
>>54677820

There's a lot of it.

>>54677849
Pretty sure it just gives him cred with everyone who isn't Startoad and Kawase and whatever other chucklefucks hang out in there.

>>54677841

How about forcing people to spend a feat to be good archers or move longbows into exotic weapon category?

>>54677877
The Rwandans did a good enough job with machetes.

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>>54677921
>Nerfing martials

>>54677877

What about the Mongols?

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>>54677959
>playing martials

>>54677914
What exactly does supporting the rights of commoner workers in direct opposition to the nobility's support for the king's rule through divine right of the church have anything to do with committing genocide?

>>54677975
I don't play martials. That doesn't mean I need another reason for them to whine about how much stronger my character is.

Starfinder isn't coming, it never was. The system was always a meme.

>>54677978
Complain too much about the fact that unregulated markets lead to rampant inequality of income at the detriment of all society and the aristocracy's soldiers will show you exactly what it's got to do with genocide.

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At what lvl do mages stop sucking? When do they become overpowered?

>>54678001

In oldschool D&D, wizards demanded twice as much experience to surpass a level than the martials.

>>54678015
Mages never become overpowered, though they stop sucking around level 5.

>>54678015
'bout 3rd

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>>54677820
>>54677850
Not as bad as I remember, I must have been thinking of Augunas's fat opinions and shitty commissioned art instead of the actual fluff.

>>54678015
Off the top of my head, fullcasters are assumed to ramp up at around 5-6th level, and are a potential crapshoot at 1-3rd levels.

>>54678015
I forget how level 0 mechanics work in Pathfinder but probably level 0. If not, level 1. Depends on the "mage" class though I guess.

>>54678033
What's the story of Augunas's fat opinions? Sounds juicy.

>>54678015
>stop sucking
Level 1
>become overpowered
Level 5, tops

If you aren't kicking ass at level 1 with a Wizard or Arcanist using 20 point point buy you're doing something wrong; I'll say that much.

>>54678054
He's a furry that refuses to admit he's a furry.

>>54678110
That's some Egyptian levels of The Nile, there

>>54677849
>>54677918
Wasn't the whole thread giving him shit when he got banned from Discord?

>>54677381
anybody? really I tried looking even over on the DSP site but there's even like a two year old question that was forever left unanswered there on that.

>>54678110
A fat furry furry or just a furry furry?

What would an NPC do and how would he do it, if he knows that the party has a mage, has the right tools, and the strategy to harm/neutralise/incapacitate/kill the mage within the firsts rounds of combat?

Yo, I got a hot copy of Starfinder back at my place. How about I pick you up, we grab some coffee, then go back to my place to give it a quickie?

>>54678203
Sniped by strix hornbows.

>>54678203
Depends heavily on the level.

>>54678210
Tee hee sure, I wanna see all of your big, thick paragraphs of second rate scifi fluff

>>54678210
YO GIVE ME THAT STUFF YOU FUCK, SHOW ME THE SOLDIER.

>>54678225

Very well, what are the typical counters beside sniping as >>54678220 suggests?

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>>54678249

Fine, anon, you don't need to be so pushy.

>>54678153
No, just a couple of false flaggers from the shit Discord trying to look tough.

>>54678288
No, there were like 10 guys on the Discord rightfully saying that 2hu lost a lot of goodwill that day.

I-I'm sorry I don't have the book, yet...

>>54677705
>>54677759
Issue wasn't the piracy, it was releasing the pdf BEFORE it was available for sale.

Looks like it'll be ready to go sometime tonight folks, possibly early tomorrow.

>>54678273
STAHP TEASING MEEEEEE

>>54678295
Which Discord, though? General Discord users don't count as full people

Wizard, Arcanist, URogue (Hidden Blade, Eldritch Scoundrel), or Magus for going into Technomancer PrC?

>>54678305
I apologize if this is too much to ask, but you're talking about image dumps first right? Do you have an estimate on the cleaned PDF?

>>54678307
Get bullied, nerd!

Do you ban any spells or feats?

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>>54678210
I want the information of that book inside me

>>54678305
Pls show Soldier first.

>>54678376

No resurrections.

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>>54678305
Shiiiiiiips!

>>54675594
Seirei no Moribito.

>>54678376
Blood Money and Sacred Geometry are pretty much always banned

>>54678376

Flight.

>>54678376
My favorite house rules ban crafting, Blood Money, Fabricate abuse, Simulacrum, Leadership, and small Fitting armor. That's all I can think of but anything that's broken by the real definition of broken and not this watered down version kiddos are using these days is probably something I forgot. I'm okay with that surge guy that can cast any divine or arcane spell, for example.

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>>54675711
Entoma a cute.

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>>54675771
Orcs are for hugs, snuggles, wife-ing and tender consensual love. NOT RAPING.

>>54678448
What's the other thing that's like a second sacred geometry? I think it gives caster level but I forget I just remember it's pretty good.

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>>54675872
With their shifting ability now being permanent in duration I wish their second stat bonus was just made baseline.

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>>54678450
>Dazing Geyser in a no flight game

>>54678495
STOP CORRUPTING ORC CULTURE WITH YOUR WEAK ASS HUMAN CULTURE

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>>54678054
>denies he's a furry despite commissioning art from shitty furry artists for his Donut Steel OCs
>plasters said Donut Steel OC art all over all of his 3pp books
>insisted that people should let Kitsune be "their own thing" in pathfinder, even though they're just moonland kitsune that had "literal animal" and "probably some kind of fey" taken off their trait list with whiteout
>yelled at people who wanted to have Fox Shape at level 1 for their "actual form" and told them off for wanting anything like that as an ART, despite there being a trait for Fox Shape at level 1 in BotB after saying that anyway

>>54678269
No idea what the usual is but my suggestions are probably better anyway. An Arcanist with the counterspell discovery, a gish with antimagic field, improved trip, and stagger-proof boots, a mage using both heightened awareness and anticipate peril and then casting something to disable him like Aphasia/Bestow Curse/Feeblemind.

I hope you're a nice DM.

>>54678648

>A trait for Fox Shape at level 1 in BotB after saying that anyway

So he changed his mind and took the suggestion?

How long until a first /pgg/ Starfinder game on roll20? I need a dose of fresh memes in my life.

>>54678514

Nah. If that barmaid wants to increase her wisdom, she's got to let her hair down (and out all over).