/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General Thread

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Posted in the last thread, but how about replacing the lascannon turret on this conversion:

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>>54664758
With this version? It would act as a Land Raider in 40k and Coronus in 30k

>>54664301
I think the Repulsor looks a little low-tech for the Custodes, but it's not bad. You've removed the most offensive pieces like the stubber and minigun that even Astartes shouldn't be forced to resort to. I really don't understand those weapons choices at all.

I guess the question is which set of rules to use. If you'll use Coronus rules (and just ignore the side doors) then the hull-mounted heavy bolters are fine as Lastrum bolt cannons and you're better off with twin lascannons pretending to be TL Arachnus blaze cannons. Though sticking four on there isn't a big deal and might look better if you aren't going to put some sort of casing over them.

how do we fix the mastodon lads
i would drop its price by 100-ish points, give it the reinforced structure 5+ invuln, and make the siege melta array 18" range and armourbane

>>54665076
All of that sounds fine to me.

I don't really get why the Mastodon, Thunderhawk, and Stormbird cost so much.

>>54665663
Do flying transports have to come on as reserves, i.e. on turn 2 or later? Can they start on the board?

>>54665076
Aside from pricing, I think part of the issue is that because it's a transport, you're gonna want to use it as one. But to maximize its transport capacity, you have to dump an average sized army into it. That doesn't really work at lower point value game

But as you go up in point value, you now have just a really expensive transport with limited guns.

Needs a price drop and maybe some better weaponry

>>54664611
Transparent would be totally fine since white prints clear and the insignias are going on white armour.

>>54664758
>>54664777
Don't see why not. There's no firing arcs in 8th anymore right?

On another note though, if you happen to have a spare predator turret lying around, possible you could post a pic of how it looks on it, brainstorming some stuff to do with the repulsor as well

>>54664758
Does Chapterhouse still sell Land Raider side sponsons?

>>54665673
They're still flyers, so they have to Reserve themselves. Unless of course, you bring a Skyshield Landing Pad and hover on it turn one, which if you don't do with something like a 'Hawk or 'Bird you're a bit of an idiot given they easily fire 75 pts of gun per turn.

>>54665755
I don't sadly. Sorry.

>>54665780
They sell turrets but not sponsons

>>54664758
>>54664777
That would probably look really shitty. The reason the conversion works so well is because how small the turret is. Meanwhile, that quad gun is a fairly big fucker.

Would a Sicaran-based transport that could carry 12-15 power-armored marines change the game too much to be a good idea?

>>54666369
Well, I can't see a speedier and squishier Raider sans assault ramp being too much of a problem. It would be good for special weapons squads and possibly expensive/flamer vettacs, can't see a huge number of other uses for one other than being basically a Mega Razorback. Would depend on how many points and what guns you weld to it, surely.

Can you upgrade a Command Squads' bikes to twin-linked plasma or flamers?

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Bumping with an economy class razorback

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>>54669384
Still in progress, but here's my first rhino, r8 and h8

>inb4 Mars pattern

>>54669384
This is, no joke, how I modeled my SW transports in 40k.

I have a HoTG list I'm working on for a tournament/narrative event
the core is a Praetor, Orth, Mastodon, 2 rhino tacs, 2 veterans(1 plasma 1 flamers), 7 gorgons and 4 vindicators
outside of that, my current options are to take either 2 AA+augury apothecaries and a deathstorm pod with Krak launchers and DPA, or grab a naked chaplain and give the vindis all machine spirit. what do you guys think would work better/be more fun?

>>54670089
>>54669384
It's a cool concept. It works really well with RG as they are supposed to have had serious losses and are improvising to defend themselves

>>54669384
That's awesome. Screams Istvann V to me.

>>54669425
Looks good, love the roof hatch!

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>lovingly convert model
>time to basecoat
>better do a test batch due to the weather
>test batch comes out gorgeous
>basecoating the converted model works fine, too
>suddenly the can sputters to a stop before blowing a whole load of color over the model
>left side of the model is ruined
Sometimes I just want to end it all...

At 4:00 pm we’ll be catching up with the Specialist Games Studio and Forge World, talking to Tony Cottrell about Blood Bowl and beyond.

If anyone's subscribed to the Warhammer TV Twitch, spam questions about Angelus and 7.5 so he has to answer them. Also Titanicus if you are able.

>>54672755
If the model and the spray were from GW you can mail them and ask for another as one of their cans was fucked up and damaged your miniatures

>>54672786
Sadly, this doesn't really help with all the time I spent sculpting the greenstuff and such.

>>54672850
Well now you have the opportunity to make it even better! Don't give up anon, do it for Duncan and the Emperor I mean the True Emperor and Warmaster, Horus

>>54672766
Alternatively, tell them to stop being fuckheads and just move on to 8th.
Also, to release Fires of Cyraxus already and stop being whiny cunts about their precious AdMech shit.

>>54672894
I guess so. Next time I have a vacation I'll try to make an improved version.
>Emperor
>True Emperor
Amusingly enough, the model was a reaver lord for a band of blackshields that can't figure out which side to support in the conflict.

Do you guys think we can hope to get another plastic HH box this autumn, or shoulf we abandon all hopes of a new smaller marines release because of 8th and Primaris?

I feel like putting up a fluff attempt for my RG for critique. You know, seeing as nobody's reading these threads anyways.

>>54673906
Go for it my dude.
How the mighty have fallen indeed.

>>54673731
We'll get a new box but it might come out later as GW is very busy at the moment with all the 40k releases

>>54673979
Damn it. Oh well, at least I'll use that time to finish my many blobs.

>>54673731
I've heard it might be Titanicus instead.

>>54673731
Yes, and it will contain 30 mkII marines, a tartaros praetor, a deredeo and a sicarian.

>>54674122
>Not mk5
Boo.
The rest would be very nice however, but I ighly we'd get both a Naught AND a tank.

>>54674238
I highly doubt*
Edit post option when?

>>54673912
Ok how's this to start with:

>Dael Ochret, Terran Raven Guard. Originally an apothecary attached to the 64th company, he was granted captaincy after the battle at Gate 42. Deemed a loyal warrior by Corax himself, Ochret was chosen to lead the remainder of the 64th after the demise of previous captain and lodge member Albarn Hechtar. Grateful for his promotion, Captain Ochret aimed to rebuild the 64th in compliance with Corax's axioms of stealth and worked particularly hard at integrating Corax's philosophy with the company's remaining deliverers. Having achieved succes in imbuing his
cataphractii elite with silent capabilities, Ochret and the 64th were anxious to display their worth against the traitor Horus on Isstvan 5. Alas, the 64th's perfectly executed decapitation strike was wasted among the black sands of the dropsite massacre. Unwitnessed by Corax and ultimately futile amidst the endless tide of traitors, Dael and his deliverers were stuck for 72 days amid the craters, and bodies of the urgal depression. Their presence masked to almost all traitor scanning apparatus, their cataphractii plate both saved them from detection and damned them to months of immobility. It was only when one of their rare encoded distress pings was intercepted by surviving Raven Guard master of signal: Johstis Kelk that Dael and 4 of his squad were freed and extracted by a surviving Darkwing pattern Storm Eagle.

>>54673906
People are reading the threads, they just move at a slower pace now. Since a lot of the excited shit posters are gone you might actually get some good feedback now.

>>54674597
>Since a lot of the excited shit posters are gone you might actually get some good feedback now.

Probably the biggest pros of this loss of activity. The 40k general has turned into an even bigger shitfest than it was before.

>>54674329
Not bad, but several points:
-Can a support staff get rank? I thought that once you were into those jobs and basically never left and couldn't moven, unless it's oart of the job, like Iron Fathers and Warsmiths
-Stealthy Cataphractii? I mean, why not, but damn dude, you take litteraly the clankiest of all the armors for that. Tartaros would fit better imo.
-Would there really be RG vessels ha ging around after 72 days, looking for survivors? Better that your dudes capture an enemy ship thanks to that stealth training imo.

>>54674329
>stealth cataphractii
holy fuck that's awesome.

Sounds pretty good, makes them unique and interesting without being a flamboyant bunch of homos. Really like the names you have given them, Dael Ochret feels really 30k-y.

Couple of things, can an apothecary become a captain? I feel like they are separate paths for marines. Also a cataphractii squad performing a decapitation strike would be right at the vanguard, especially if it was perfectly executed. They may be able to hide from sensors but people have eyes.

>>54674701
>Would there really be RG vessels ha ging around after 72 days, looking for survivors? Better that your dudes capture an enemy ship thanks to that stealth training imo.
The Raven Guard were on Istvaan 5 for almost 100 days until their extraction, it seems reasonable to me that one of the the stealthiest aircraft in the Imperium would be able to hide for this time, especially when it has an entire planet to hide on.

Pariah bolters state that if a charge is made in the same player turn that a model from the unit fired with this weapon, the charge will count as Disordered.

Does this mean the charge for the unit or that model? Would three guys firing bolters disorder the charge for the rest of the dudes?

>>54674122
MkII I can imagine, if it's Angelus based. Probably DA vs. someone. Possible we don't get terminators in this. Unless it's some new pattern. Or they make 30k Indomitus with less bling and 30k era weapons. Very much doubt it'll contain vehicles beyond simple dreads. Maybe, seeing that Angelus is suppose to have more daemons stuff, we get possessed and daemons in the box?

>>54673731
Consider it a 0.1% chance to get a box this year, and a 1% chance to get a box ever at all.

Primarines will be the future of SM models going forward, it'll just be a slow process of phasing out the old shit.

>>54674904
????
HH models will remain the same and FW will not kill their most successful series. Stop shitposting le epic manlet marine xDxDxD

>>54674701
>>54674756
Wow. Great feedback guys. This is the kind of stuff I want to hear.

>Stealth Cataphractii
This came from how I built my dudes mainly from the BaC set and I liked the Deliverers blurb in book 3. I also liked the idea of a terran guy who probably spent his entire career mopping up after Luna Wolves in his cataphractii, but then being so eager to impress his new primarch that he's kind of like a fish trying to climb a tree. The stealth cataphractii suits are probably a bit of a fundamentally flawed idea yeah, but Ochret probably doesn't even see that because of his desire to prove himself.

>Can support staff get rank?
Don't know desu. Perhaps a primarch would be able to create an exception. The only thing I can think of that's similar is Talos from the Night Lords trilogy. If an apothecary background it too snowflake it'd be no biggie to change it to sergeant.

>The darkwing.
I wanted to mention my darkwing having a significant role in my fluff. Haven't even decided yet if they actually use it to get off world before the main RG evac or if it just takes them to wherever the rest of the RG are and they evac along with Corax and the rest. Don't know which one is more realistic.

>>54674904
Those boxes are for 30k and 30k is primarine free.

>>54675170
FW sure, GW no. GW is in charge of plastics and plastic marines in the old scale aren't happening anymore.

>>54675240
They were very deliberately cross-compatible with both 30k and 40k.

>>54675291
You mean "GW gave them 40k rules"? Because they sure as shit haven't given plasma blasters, reaper autocannons, grenade harnessed, nor volkite chargers for, say, Indomitus squads. It's almost like the 40k rules are an afterthought. Nor did any of the sprues contain Crux Terminatus shoulder pads for 40k use.

>>54675322
I mean every existing SM player could see the box and think "cool, different flavors of marines and termies that I can add to my army for variety" and every prospective SM player could think "I don't really like the look of MkVII and indomitus, but these guys are cool".

The huge influx of new SM/DG collectors from DI won't be interested in marines of a smaller scale.

>>54674756
>Also a cataphractii squad performing a decapitation strike would be right at the vanguard, especially if it was perfectly executed. They may be able to hide from sensors but people have eyes.
Eclipse missiles from a darkwing, then assault with raven talon equiped cataphractii. I've even been able pull it off in actual games a couple of times.

>>54675556
Imagine how scary that would be for people.

>be human planetary leader in late M30
>some emo faggot tries to get you to join his daddies club
>lol, fuck off m8
>last message is something about deliverers being unleashed
>whatever
>relaxing on my deck with a space mojito later that day
>black aircraft suddenly flies overhead and covers the area in smoke
>a matte black walking tank emerges from the smoke with foot long claws
>wet myself
>get chopped into 4 pieces
>such is the life of an uncompliant

>>54675878
I am screencapping that greentext and when I get home from work I am going to attempt to produce an image for that. But yeah, that's basically what went on in my head as I was working on my dudes.

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>>54672755
I know your pain anon!

I did up my first set of Custodes here months ago, and they're still sitting with their FROSTY coating of Purity Seal because it was my first time using it in years and I forgot what it could do.
>pic is before that happened

I keep saying I'm going to take some watered down floor cleaner, and switch between lightly scrubbing with a toothbrush, and rinsing them immediately, until I get the 'top layer' off, and then touch up all the damage... but I just can't bring myself to do it because I'm terrified I'm going to fucking ruin them!

>>54676074
>being the inspiration for a /tg/ screencap comic
I can die happy now. Looking forward to seeing it.

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>>54676180
There ya go man.

>\tg\ screencap comic
>I have the ability to draw

>>54676115
Doesn't a second coat sometimes fill in the uneven surface?

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>>54676180
>>54677453
aaaand the full image just incase.

>>54675170
FW won't change, but the plastic boxes are made by GW and their contents so far have been re-released for use in 40k as well.

Last year, GW was already increasing the size of marines; the Deathwatch guys are pretty tall. So it was a surprise that they released old-sized Mk III dudes, and it'd be an even bigger surprise if they did it again now that Primaris marines are out. I don't expect any more small marine models from GW, only FW.

>>54677507
Just needs a 28mm space mojito.

>>54674122
>>54674857

If it's DA vs NL you could base it on the Thramas Crusade.
30 MK II, a NL Primus Medicae and a DA Moritat/Siege Breaker/Champion, and who knows what else? Destroyers would fit both Legions, as would bikes. They could also add either another Contemptor or a Contemptor variant. I doubt they're going to include battle tanks and transports though.

>>54677507
>>54677453
Beautiful,I'm honoured. Nice models too.

>>54677477
I've tried brushing one on, to no apparent help.

>>54678066
Try spraying gloss varnish over it.

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>>54678066
Acetone works wonders for me :)

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>>54677572
30k hours in ms paint

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>>54677507
>storm eagle heavy bolters are mounted upside down

>>54672850
Depending on the paint you could try to strip it with a simple green bath.

>>54678615
Damn. Thanks for noticing. It's still wip so I can fix this without ruining the model.

>>54678902
Hey, even GW can't always get it right. Seen plenty of their models, especially Russes, with the heavy bolters mounted upside down.

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>>54679059
Already fixed it.

Which legions' fluff and rules support cowboy-themed army the best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyYoADdOgM

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>>54679241
The lone star legion.

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>>54679241
Most White Scars grew up riding horses, so they should be an option. I guess the Terran inductees (if you don't want them to look Mongolian) generally didn't grow up with horses, but they'd be given the Khan's geneseed and there his propensity towards mounted warfare.

Imperial Fists could fit too. Cowboys are the ones who started using barbed wire to fence off pasture, right? And they'd build forts in Native American country (in Praetorian of Dorn, the IF are shown building forts in ork territory and then absorbing the inevitable attack). The IF's bonus to bolters also works - it's basically a reliance on conventional, relatively low-tech weapons. With the occasional gatling gun.

>>54679456
Nah, don't feel it.

>>54679481
I agree on the Imperial Fists, the bolter drill but also the varied cultures the legion had recruited from give a solid basis.

Scars could work too, for mounted warfare.

Another legions I though of are SoH (death dealer) and Dark Angels with the Ironwing Protocol.

>>54679456
Either Raven Guard for some sweet Moritat fun, or DAngles for that Cypher vibe.

So did a single person here watch Tony Cotrell's interview on Warhammer TV? He might have had news about Angelus, 7.5 and the rest.

>>54680875
Traitor IF fag here, I usually run a Moritat if I'm fielding destroyers. I fluff him out as a cancer and biological virus ridden dude who wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

>>54681431
>traitor IF
What sort of special snowflake justification do you have?

>>54681077
Epic fans who say it say that Tony apologized for Titanicus being late and hinted that they're using this extra time productively (multipart, multipose kits, with some likely to be plastic).

>>54681077
I'm watching it now and they've so far been talking about the models that are coming out soon. Custodes terminators, sicaran variants, thousand sons praetor, some AoS stuff and gabriel angelos.

>>54682725
Just heard him say that the new heresy rulebook coming out has several 'tweaks' to make the horus heresy run 'a bit smoother'. He also hinted (i think) that the tweaks are the reason that it's taking a bit longer to get out. So perhaps it IS more of a 7.5 than a simple copy/paste of the 7th ed rulebook.

>>54682883
Ok I rewinded it a couple of times and he's basically said that 'they' want the heresy to stay 7th. He talks about that he thinks it's nice to have a more 'simulationist' game for people who are looking for something that's different from 40k. He also said that they understand that people want to use their stuff for both systems and that they'll be looking into it, but 'it's not going to happen overnight'. He hopes that with the new rulebook that FW is releasing more people will "give heresy a go".

>>54683042
>said that 'they' want the heresy to stay 7th.
I miss Bligh.

>>54683042
FW sure is losing steam with the loss of Bligh.

>>54683042
The last model they revealed was a brand new Space Wolf terminator, but they didn't show a close-up. Tony said he's still a couple of months away because they've got a bit of a backlog, but just to show that more space wolf stuff is coming.

>>54683193
30k Varangian? Can you do a snapshot? I doubt anyone's seen this yet.

>>54683042
7th with tweaks sounds fine.

>>54683193
>Tfw no Anacharis or his babby Boop

What do people use for Scoria or Arlatax anyway? Don't think I've ever seen either converted apart from that Abeyant on Crawler legs in the Mech vs. Knights WHTV game.

As for editions, 7e with tweaks and fixes sounds pretty good for the vast majority, although I wish they'd hurry up and fix Word Bearers and the other shit tier legion rules. All they'd need would be unique unit point reductions and I wouldn't feel like Ashen Circle are overly expensive Assault Marine models anymore.

HH rulebook next month.

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>>54683205
Best screenshot I could take.

>>54683671
Thanks for the updates!

I think there will be less demand to make 30k and 40k cross-compatible as 40k moves to its larger scale. At the moment people are still using marinelets in 40k, but it won't last. Mk III marines vs. Primaris will look too silly. So FW might as well diverge.

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>>54683776

>>54683818
That looks like the Tson Praetor, not a yiff.

>>54683817
Pls no. I hate how goofy resin marines look. I need more plastic.

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So I'm looking into an allied detachment for my solar aux tank army, and I'm thinking about a fast assault-oriented interdiction force to slap around any unit that gets too close to the tanks. I'm thinking about pic related, but are bikes the way to make this work?

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When's the next ForgeWorld event? Really want to see what's going on with these guys.
I know it's unlikely, but i really hope they redid some of it to make it to be more Cataphractii like

Anyone know a 3rd party that makes bikes similar to Outriders? I like their sleek aspect but fuck me FW bikes are all prohibitively priced.

>>54686425
They're already pretty fucking Cataphractii mate.

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>>54686419
Yes, because Jetbikes are shooty only.

Attack bikes are good too because they can have multimeltas and meltabombs. Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can take Chogorian Brotherhood (which would let you take bikes as troops and attack bikes as fast attack, and I guess those heavy support jetbikes too) because it requires that your Warlord be on a space marine bike or scimitar jetbike. Does a warlord need to be in the primary detachment?

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>>54687397

>>54686425
Next FW event is in two weeks.

>>54687609
>Attack bikes are good too because they can have multimeltas and meltabombs. Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can take Chogorian Brotherhood (which would let you take bikes as troops and attack bikes as fast attack, and I guess those heavy support jetbikes too) because it requires that your Warlord be on a space marine bike or scimitar jetbike. Does a warlord need to be in the primary detachment?

The Warlord always belongs to the Primary detachment.

>>54688563
Then I'd run a praetor with command squad on bikes (load them up with weapons), a tac squad+rhino or assault squad, and attack bikes. The attack bikes have bolt pistol+ccw and base 2A (and 2W) so they're not bad in assault. You can even detach the praetor from the command squad and put him with these guys for some armor-piercing attacks. Then Sky Slayers if there are points to spare, but keep them away from the enemy. No rite of war, the praetor's just there to unlock the command squad for more bikes.

>>54688754
That should work fine.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/HH%20Legion%20Arcus%20Strike%20Tank.pdf

>>54690024
>neutron flux warheads

>>54690110
Idk why they are so expensive when they are by far the most useless out of the options.

Everything else seems pretty well costed.

>>54690024
>basic Sicarian, skyspear missiles and a pair of lascannons
Covers anti-tank and anti-air quite well. Not cheap, but flexible and useful.

>>54690118
They are highly situational. A cybernetica army or a bot-centric IW list will dread the fucking things, everything else can ignore them.

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>>54690024
Not horrible. Didn't expect it to be a primarily anti-elite weapon with AT and AA potential casually tacked on, to be honest, but it's a solid vehicle that can fill a number of roles competently. And it certainly looks better than the shitty gatling Sicarian.
Lascannons are still overpriced.

>>54683042
A more 'simulationist' game is fine, staying in 7th is not fine. Everyone is sick of all the awful quirks of the system such as
>AP4 and up being worthless
>vehicle survivability being as volatile as a giant water balloon, either you don't have the right weapons and you're just slapping it around, or you got a needle and pop it goes
>every unit is wearing horse blinders that prevent them from shooting more than one thing or charge something they didn't shoot, even if their original target is dead
>the awkward situation of "I don't want to kill my opponent on the charge, I want to kill them exactly one combat phase later" to avoid getting shot at
>templates mean you want to stay at max coherency at all times, but your dudes are somehow physically incapable of spreading out more than 2" even when they know they're being bombed to hell and back
>being challenged only gives you the option to accept or cower in fear, there's no option to ignore the rambling madman and punch the weaker guys in front of you
>snipers being painfully bad at actually sniping specific targets
>invisibility
etc.

There's A LOT to improve upon and I have zero faith that FW will even try to in the coming years considering how full their plate already is.

>>54690198

I kind of like the rules they came up with for the most part. Either specialise for cheap or buy all the ammo for 65 points and have a tank that can do pretty much anything, although it seems specialised for mulching Mechanicum.

I feel that Instant Death vs. all Cybernetica was perhaps a little bit much, but I guess that is 30 points and is otherwise just an 8 shot autocannon. Still makes Vorax even more useless than they already are, though, which isn't exactly going to stop people spamming Arlatax instead. It'll kill slightly less than one Castellax (or Vulturax/Domitar ect) slightly more than one Arlatax because T6, pretty much bounce off Thanatars because 2+ but kill over three Vorax every turn, assuming Ripple Fire.

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It is just OP shiet
-can easly kill tank without flare/land raiders and making em reroll cover.
-can super easly kill terminator on foot/ siege tyrant/bikes,any fuking non CM thing on the tabletop, ID 2+W model at R4.
-for 20 pts can be a pain in the ass for militia and solar too,trowing 2-4 no cover blast at VP 4 (bye bye solar auxilia 2+ cover save behind aegis).
-can shoot flier for 30 pts,vp3 less that any other anti-air stuff

>>54691002
>garbled nonsense
Mind trying again?

>>54664572
A question for the oldfags; What was the Horus Heresy before the novels and the game? I know Forge World made MkII through Mk VI armour for a long time, but what was the fluff for it like back then?

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>>54691002
Doesn't look TOO bad, although honestly it makes me wonder what the fuck they were thinking when they statted out the Rad-missile Triaros. It has a main gun less powerful than the Pyrax Shells, less powerful sponsons, no real options and yet still costs 225 points, whereas this thing shoots way better, is Fast and can do the anti-infantry AND anti-armour role rather well for the same cost. The FUCK, FW?

>>54687438
I like most of the model, to me it's just the lack of the shoulder tassel things and the fact that I'm under the impression that the back of the legs doesn't have the mk2-3 segmented look for some reason sort of kills it both seem like they could be easily fixed though, same with the lighting claws not being talons. In the end though it doesn't really matter as I'll be stripping them of the Custodes details and legion-fying(?) them up

>>54692778
>Before the Novels and games
Sort like what Old Night/Age of Strife/Parts of the Great Crusade still are - a mystery. There was plenty of stories going around, things were meant to be legends of a time forgotten. The old Blanche art and the way the Horus Heresy was explained in the older books made everything out to be this almost impossible event in human history, never truly going to be clear other than Horus betrayed the Emperor.

Or at least that's how I felt the older stuff made it out to be, the newer stuff makes it more of a sci-fi drama technically, still has characteristics of the old fluff, but is also sort of "modernized"

>>54692778
http://members.tripod.com/orcrist_game/40k/id3.html

>>54692778
It goes back to Rogue Trader days. The first Realm of Chaos book (1988) made references to a galactic civil war where the legions of space marines aligned with Horus turned on the Imperium. It pretty much told the basic story we know today of Horus turning, fighting his way to Terra and him and the Emperor having a dual (inside Horus' command bunker instead of in orbit), and the wounded Emperor placed on the Golden Throne.

1989 saw the release of Space Marine, the precursor to Epic, which was set during HH (thus GW could just make one set of minis for both sides). And there's the White Dwarf bit about Ollanius Pius, who interposed himself between the Emperor and Horus.

In 1990 we get the the second Realm of Chaos book, which goes into more detail about the Heresy and introduces a lot more elements to it, such as taking the battle between Horus and the Emperor into space (the ship isn't named at this point, though) and the battle gets interrupted by a lone IF terminator with no Pius. There's also the Space Marine Armour article, which gives history of the various power armour marks and little things like the Martian Schism, Horus wanting the best suits for his boys, etc.

>>54693090
Oh, and there's one WD article, where it was a squad of IF terminators instead of a lone terminator.

>>54690024
Still don't know what Plasma Sicaran is going to be like. Judging from its counterpart just a Heavy 2 Thanatar, because holy fuck that Arcus launcher is strong.

>>54694512

S:7 AP:2 Heavy 2 Large Blast Ignores Cover Ripple Fire

>>54694593
>more low AP Ignores Cover

Oy vey!

>>54694687
It's like they're trying to get us ready for 8th edition...

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>>54691462
>>54691462
It is fucking overpowered
>main munition are probably the best-standard-armament seen on a tank in HH,can harm anything,essentially is a thanatar plasma mortar with a buff on the tank damage table and 4 direct-twin linked -hits.
>AA munition are the cheaper "to add" AA weapo in all HH and AP3,and make reroll cover saves, so a vultarax is dead before deplyment.
>blast hits are S5 AP4 nocover,wound militia and auxilia on 2+, negate both cover and armor saves 90% of times, and if stand still can shoot 4 of theese large blast.
> anti-mech munition are the weaker option,can only harm vorax,any other Cortex unit have Ts3+,kill on luck

>>54694512
Wasn't it supposed to be a tank destroyer tho? Blasts aren't conducive to that usually.

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>>54692778
A lot of the details are pretty old. In 1987-89, with the first Realm of Chaos book and the Space Marine (1st ed. Epic) rulebook, it wasn't yet clear that the primarchs were the Emperor's gene-sons, but you did have Warmaster Horus going into a primitive lodge on Davin (in the name of diplomacy) and getting possessed by Chaos.

Five "chapters" are at Isstvan III to purge their loyalists with a virus bomb, the fifth being the Thousand Sons, and members of each escape in the Eisenstein. Garro, Tarvitz, and Varren are names in that little story. Seven chapters are sent against them, and four join the traitors (the other three aren't even named - they are "purged from Imperial records"). We get excerpts of the Ultramarines fighting the Word Bearers without a backstory.

Mars falls, the Siege of Terra begins, the Imperial Fists, "Whitescars", Custodes, and regular troops defend, the Emperor takes Dorn and some Custodes to fight Horus in his command chamber (on Terra) and we know how that turns out.

In 1990 they added the primarch origin story, fall of the Eldar, and Sanguinius. Pic attached is from '92.

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Traitor Yiffs with a Herald (+1" to Run and Charge 12" buble) and Grey Slayer blobs?

>>54699372
Yes.

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Has there been an updated version of this image yet? This one is like a year+ old.

>>54700498
Yes?

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>>54702128

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how big is the thunderbolt compared to other fliers, it looks kinda huge but I can't really find any good comparison pics with Google.

How do I make sure that my Dreadclaw can be detachable from its flyer stand without making it a wobbly piece of shit on the tabletop? I don't want to crush any models.

>>54706132
It's a fairly chunky fucker. About two Leman Russ worth in length and breadth.

Any other SoH players present? If so I got a question for you. How many veterans do you field? I've noticed I have ended up avoiding other troops options entirely and just massing up Veterans everywhere.

>>54708438
I mean... I guess I could take terminators as troops with long march... But why would I do that When I can take Mal, Veterans as my troops and Justaerin as my Terminator Elite?

>>54705165
>SW name
>not named something-wolf-something

My mind cannot cope.

>>54704712
No.

>>54708438
I play Long March, but I usually run a squad 15 tacs, 15 assault, 10 vets, 10 volkite support, up to 10 tartaros and some Justaerin in any combo. I also have 5 cataphractii and 15 jump reavers.

Since Horus let's you outflank, I try to gang squads up on units and deep strike a handful of termies in usually. Vets just get costly if that's all you use.

Will Custodes stuff get a 40k release as relics or something?

>>54710725
Probably not. We're stuck with basic infantry, the Contemptor and using the Repulsor as a Land Raider for now.

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>>54710591
Theres probably the key difference between us there, I don't use the Warmaster at the moment, (hes currently a work in progress). My general mass of troops is 5 squads of veterans in rhinos going sniper, with a pair of malcadors and lightnings as backup. plus some wiggle room for shiny toys. The reavers didn't work out so now I'm experimenting with Justaerin.

>>54711141
That's fair as my list does usually require Horus or Abaddon. I'll probably buy more pods so I can use lower points orbital assault lists later. I just like having a variety of units. Building, painting and playing with 5 squads of vets doesn't sound fun to me really.

>Dorn gets rules
>Huscarls don't
Why is this allowed?

>>54712769

Huscarls will probably be added into the Siege of Terra book, should HH live long enough to get there.

So how bad are Headhunters really?

>>54683127
>implying FW hasn't always been slow as shit

>>54715919

FW's slowdown to complete shitsville probably correlates with the revelation and worsening of Bligh's cancer.

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So for novelsl/audiobooks, which books have the most lore for Sons of Horus/Lina Wolves? Looking to build a force sometime soon, probably after I get an airbrush to make the white easier.

>>54714127
That bad. Probably even worse than that.
Tehy're in the running for top 3 worst legion-specific units, which, considering shit like Rampagers or Ashen Circle exist, is an accomplishment.

>>54716553
What makes them so utterly shit?

>>54664572
Why are there so many BA players? Good legion, but 37%?

>>54717435
Holy shit, when did that spike? could have swore that they were way lower a few months ago. What happened?

>>54717591
My guess is it got hit by a bot. Either that or there's a lot more people excited by Angelus than I thought.

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>>54716342
Aside from the original trilogy, I believe Vengeful Spirit has some stuff. The Wolf of Ash and Fire is just a overall good look into the Legion during the Great Crusade. A lot of the newer Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus stuff though is found in the Black Books - Betrayal, Massacre, Conquest and Inferno all has info on them.

How does an Airbrush make white easier to paint though. Haven't gotten to work on my own Luna Wolves force yet so i'm also trying to figure out a good way to paint white. Currently gonna try following pic related

>>54716342
>Horus Rising
>False Gods
>Galaxy in Flames
>Vengeful Spirit

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oi there mofuggas

could i justify running stormtroopers count-as clad in solar auxilia armor for 40k games?

>>54717796
>How does an Airbrush make white easier to paint though.
White is all about multiple thin coats which is trivially easy with an airbrush. Same as yellow.

>>54717298
Overcosted like woah, unnecessary specialisation, outperformed by cheaper units, mediocre options.

>>54717833
It's 40k, you can justify anything.

>>54717833
That's a cute boy.

>>54717833
Sure. Plus they look a hell of a lot better than GeeDubs current storm trooper things. Have any pictures of yours?

>>54717835
Do you know a good primer though for white? I hear that they are very hit or miss

>>54717939
Vallejo surface primer is good through an airbrush but you have to let it cure for at least 24 hours.

>>54717939
Corax white is good.
Halfords grey plastic primer too.

>>54717833
Depends on your meta.
Over here it wouldn't fly, but maybe somewhere else?

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>>54717894
I just planned the concept but they're growing very fast on me. I'm currently thinking the fluff through as to why my PDF would have access to Solar pattern armor but I'll be getting my hands on them pretty soon :)

>>54718030
I take it Vallejo in general has good airbrush paints?
>>54718077
Have heard decent things about corax white and certain rustoleum sprays as well. I'm assuming that most white/grey primers would work with that >>54717796 paint scheme. Might not use agrax as the wash because it looks to brown.
>>54718096
I personally love the look of the Solar Pattern armor, it's got that sort of retro sci-fi feel to it

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I know I always ask this but

If you could a Primarch

Which Primarch would you and why

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>>54718663
>that Fulgrim

>>54718663
so which one is perty?

>>54718798
Third last, with the striped pants?

>>54718663
Alpharius Omegon ;^)

>>54718798
The one with the hazard striped undies

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>>54718663
I still want my fem-horus
fem-horus' daughter is cute, but give her time and she'll end up nice and thicc just like her mother

>>54719435
>arms
That ain't Fembaddon

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>>54719469
Who in their right mind would want to get bossed by woman with no arms?

>>54719469
kek, forgot about that

But no seriously, why is there no Fem-Horus?
>was gonna post the fem-sang image, but all i have is the nude version

>>54718663
Either Sangy (obviously) or Magnus because cool magical enhancements and he seems pretty chill and likely to be down for comfy reading beforehand.

On the Femarchs and their associates front, lacking a suitable Fembricator General or possibly Fem!Scoria.

>>54712769
Seriously? They were invented in a BL novel that came out in January of this year, and the only FW black book since then has been Inferno. They're not going to throw the IF a special unit in the next black book, either.

>>54718663
Why aren't they in order?

>>54719688
>Fem!Scoria.

does this exist?

>>54720061
No, much to my lament, but I wish it did. Decent amount of LewdMech around, but nobody seems to have done the actual characters yet. I mean, it makes sense, Land, Cawl and Dray are old men, Inar is a robot zombie and Decima would probably only do hate sex, but I would still go for a FemScoria.

>>54720001
They were created in The Lightning Tower short story back in 2007.

>>54711531
They can surprise you. As long as you keep the load outs distinct and keep the colours slightly varied they are great fun.
I mean fireteam Trogdor (2 heavy flamers 8 combi flamers and a heavy flamer on the rhino) are tons of fun and quite different from the usual plasma fare. And if I ever roll the template shred warlord traits... well things get hilarious fast.

>>54720453
I guess if they're varied in loadout is cool. But 5 squads of ten dudes in rhinos can seem like spam to me.

Also I love the "tip of the spear" idea and the good alpha strike tactics. I also play IH so the dudes in tanks with more tank support was the play style I was getting away from.

>>54720529
I mainly use the rhinos to stop them being shellacked before they get where they are going. And squads give me bodies to hurl at problems.

>>54720844
Got pics of your army at all? I'm curious about the vets and Malcadors.

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>>54720955
There's a pic of some of my stuff from a weekender. IT may flip due to phone posting. If it does I'll repost in the morning

>>54721076
The jump troops in the back are reavers with mk 7 packs. Getting spare 30k packs is a nightmare and I had to use geedubs stuff for the event. Also neither the lightnings or malcadors were finished... or are yet desu. I want to put chevrons on the demo canon gunshield

>>54721076
Looks pretty good. Bright real you have going on. Now do the Malcadors come with both the Battle and demo cannon pieces?

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>>54721076
I like. Don't know why, but I love seeing HH armies for some reason.

Pic isn't mine

>>54720119
>Mech characters are old men
You're saying that you wouldn't want milf mech characters. thicc milf decima anyone?

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>>54664572
So we're doing these again?

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Show me Breachers this instance!

>>54708438
I single-handedly ruined HH for several people by taking 30-40 vets in each game. Outflank and Sniper combined with combi-plasma and Death Dealer lets you dominate most of the board pretty easily. I've agreed to not use Vets for the rest of the year, and I likely won't for the foreseeable future because I'd like to keep playing HH.

Vets are the best troops choice in the game by a considerable margin, I'm really hoping the next red book release rectifies this a little bit because the basic troops choices are almost unusable by comparison. Top that with Mal making Vets troops while still letting you use a Rite of War makes SoH a top-tier army.

>>54720431
I was off by 10 years, ouch.

Though the only IF action we've seen so far in the black books has been halfway across the galaxy from Dorn, so FW can use that as an excuse - we'll see them (and Dorn's model) when a FW book covers something within the Solar System.

Black legion is out.

Abaddon fights Siggy.

>>54723987
How badly does Sig get beat before Abaddon gets him to bow to Chaos?

>>54724021

Siggy is 1000+. Khayon mentions that Abaddon later told him that this didn't mean Sigismund was slow, it just meant he was finally down to the level of other master bladesmen rather than better than literally everyone. he was going to lose this fight to Abby, no two ways about it. But as Abby later states "He just wouldn't die." This caused Abby to lose his temper, which was just as planned by Siggy. He knew he couldn't beat Abby and live, so he does a suicide play. He stabs the Black Sword hilt deep into Abby and Abby disembowels him with the Talon. Abby almost dies. As Siggy lays dying he tells Abby that Abby will die weak and shamed just like Horus. Abby takes his corpse and the Black Sword, places it on an empty BT cruiser, and sends it to Terra with the phrase "We have returned" engraved on the blade. He doesn't desecrate Siggy's corpse.

>>54724224
About as good a death as Sigismund could hope to get under the circumstances. Is this before or after Abaddon got swole on Chaos juice like Horus?

>>54724605

Before. He's got a few buffs by this point, but he's not Chaos Ascendant Abby wielding Drach'nyen.

He's also in Terminator Plate vs. Siggy in Power Armor.

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/40kg/ here; What book would I want to look in for details on Word Bearers legion organization and Iconography? I'm looking for inspiration for my 40k force.

>>54725047
The Book of Mormon.

>>54725047
FW black books 2 (Massacre) and 5 (Tempest)

>>54718467
>I take it Vallejo in general has good airbrush paints?
pretty much, don't need to thin them much to spray well, coverage is good, a good selection of colors (especially when you combine the Vallejo Model Air and Vallejo Game Air ranges).
I quite like them to be honest.

>>54718467
Yeah, Vallejo Model/Game Air paints are great. Scale 75's the way to go for metallics, though, and Tamiya for clears.

I like a lot of GW's recent paints for hand brushing (i.e. after they split base and layer paints), especially the washes and technicals, but they've been overtaken by the specialists in metallics. That used to be the only thing they were best at.

>>54721258
Nah the don't. I converted it using the vengeance turret battlecannon.
>>54722712
Jesus. Massed combi Plas vets is a fucking nightmare with SoH. I use massed vets. But is only use massed combi Plas against full dick ass custard bombs.

>>54664572
if you don't see a connection between aos having the worst rules of any tabletopgame ever and the fact that noone is buying their new minis then i cannot help you.

maybe they should have outsourced rules, maybe they should have just hired/retained competent people. but they didn't, so that's kind of beside the point. the new rules are shit, and the corresponding mini-sales are shit. their fantasy player base is gone, most of them will most likely never return. everything about warhammer that gw has done recently has been a disaster. i call that a shame.

there was a time when gw made great games, like space hulk or bloodbowl. that time is long gone. i call that a shame as well.

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>>54725885
That came out of nowhere.
If I remember right, AoS hasn't been doing bad, they didn't do so hot immediately, but after the Generals Handbook came out that switch flipped and it ended up outselling 40k. Throw in Workshops growth in the last year or so... and well I'd say AoS is part of that, seeing as 40k sales kept dropping as 7th Ed got more and more fucking stupid.
(I expect that to change as well, as 8th Ed revitalises sales.)

So as guy just getting into the horus heresy what's coming up next? Trying to decide what legion to play with a buddy and might wait a bit to jump in depending.

>>54726033
Dunno, the last year of 7th ed. also featured some very popular boxed sets, and the frequency of codex releases meant there was always a new flavor of the month (would've been every other month in the past). I agree about AoS, just saying 40k may have been selling well despite all the issues.

I still think the AoS aesthetic is way too busy to be good design, and I don't see what's attractive about the rules, but it's doing better than WFB was around here.

>>54726033
fuck wrong thread

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>>54726069
The Box sets and seemed to be the only thing keeping 7th afloat. Flavour of the month stuff getting less sales each month... well seeming so, and general sales were down.
>>54726070
Agreed, but I was just replying to the insane rambly anon. Back to 30k! Heres my Maloghurst conversion before I painted it.

>>54726048
Dark and Blood Angels will be in the next book, Angelus, along with Night Lords (they're already fleshed out, but they could get something new?) and Dark Mechanicum (presumably Mechanicum + daemon engines).

That'll leave White Scars as the only legion without special unit/primarch rules. All others will have them (the two above don't yet) but there are still plenty of legion-specific units (better versions of regular units) - and Dorn and Alpharius - without models. The Space Wolves should be getting their special unit models before Angelus comes out.

Jesus Christ, I really want post Molech Sons of Horus rules to be unleashed. I want to use Lupercii and other Warp infused nightmares in my Legion host.

>>54726117

Jesus christ... as a guy that loved the lore and the idea of the scars play style this hurts me. However I guess I'm still on the fence for Imperial Fists or Space Wolves. Hopefully my loyalists can beat my buddies word bearers and world eaters.

>>54726203
>scars play style
There's the Ravenwing Protocol for dickbike fuckery already.

>>54726203
Word Bearers.
They are pretty decent unless your mate goes full daemons retarded, but thats due to psy buffed daemons being fucking stupid. Then its just a no fun allowed game.
WE
Just don't let them close, for the love of God, do not let them close.

>>54726225
This, Scars end up just going Jink heavy dickbikes for 2+/3+ cover dickery.

>>54726249
>>54726236
>>54726225

Well if you guys don't mind me asking but what legion (Preferably loyalist) allows me to play rather aggressively and take a hit to account for my noobishness. Let me say too that I'm new to tabletop 40k and 30k but loved the lore and vidya for awhile.

Anyway thank all.

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>>54726203
They're still worth starting because their rules and main legion-specific rite of war (in book 6) are excellent - biggest thing you'll miss is 30k-specific decals.

>>54726303
Depends really, do you prefer melee, shooting, or a mix of both?
Taking a Hit and rolling with it, at the same time as being loyalist implies Iron Hands. Those are some tough hombres in regards to being shot at.

So, you want to know what happened to Sigismund?

Sigismund's body is sent to Terra in a Black Templars' ship called the Valorous Vow. His body is shown respect, for the most part, and Abaddon personally attends to Sigismund's body by cleaning Sigismund's face of blood. The Black Sword is engraved by Khayon with three words.

'We Are Returned'.

>>54726453
>for the most part,

What do you mean by this? What did Firefists and Lyras do to the body? TELL MEH?!

>>54726303
>what legion (Preferably loyalist) allows me to play rather aggressively
Blood Angels
>jump packs, CC bonus, Blade of Perdition
Space Wolves
>massed power armour focus, fast at getting into melee range, CC bonus, Rites
White Scars
>fast
Dark Angels
>very versatile, get bonus for both CC and range

That said, any legion may be played agressively, and an legion but the Word Bearers may be played as loyalist.

>>54726453
Got epub m8?

>>54725478
>>54725867
Thanks for the responses. I don't think i'm ready to do airbrushing stuff just yet, I will keep in mind though that Vallejo has good airbrush paints once i do get to that point.
Now that i think about it though, i think i still have some non airbrush Vallejo paint lying around that a friend got me from like 5 years go. Damn... Hopefully I can actually start soon

>>54724224
>>54726453
I really do like though that at least among the initial traitors that some still held respect for Loyalist counter parts.

>>54726496
>c.811.M37 - The Ghost War

>During the long years of the Seventh Black Crusade, the full might of the Blood Angels Chapter falls upon a vast Black Legion warband on the world of Mackan. Although the conflict ultimately ends in the near-extinction of the Blood Angels at the hands of Abaddon the Despoiler and his primary lieutenants – the sorcerer-lord Iskandar Khayon and the swordmaster Telemachon Lyras – the Blood Angels Reclusiarch Thalastian Jorus becomes one of the few Imperial heroes to ever land a blow against the Warmaster of Chaos.

>With his Chapter devastated, the Chaplain endures weeks of hardship in the wilderness and the constant trials of keeping his crazed warriors undetected on Mackan. When the time is right, Jorus leads his Death Company in a lightning raid behind enemy lines, butchering the unprepared sworn warriors of the Despoiler’s honour guard, and allowing the Reclusiarch to lock blades with Abaddon himself. It is said the Warmaster still bears the scars of that battle, even three millennia later.

>Whatever the truth of the matter, it is known that the Despoiler honoured Jorus once the war was over – perhaps in mockery, or perhaps with nothing but sincerity. After Mackan, hundreds of Blood Angels corpses were desecrated, their gene-seed ruined beyond recovery. Of all the Chapter, only a handful of bodies were left undefiled: Reclusiarch Jorus and his Death Company, clad in their battered and broken black ceramite, seated in makeshift thrones made from the armour of those Black Legion warriors they had killed on that fateful night.

It's just Abaddon. He respects worthy opponents. Aside from his bad temper, Abaddon remains sane.

Any body else from the old traitors wouldn't have done the same. They are nuts.

>>54724224
You lied to me guys. You said to me that marines aren't affected by old age.

>>54726522
>It's just Abaddon. He respects worthy opponents.
Doesn't seem like 30k Abaddon at all. He was pretty dismissive and spiteful after defeating Loken. Did Talon of Horus give him much character development?

On a related note. Why is he still angry at the Imperium after so many years? It seemed like Abaddon rebelled because he wanted to be on the winning team, not because he particularly hated the Emperor. Everyone else is long dead.

>>54726541
It took 1200 years of war to even start slowing him down. And we can attribute some of his loss to battlefield injuries. Something sure to pile up over a millenium.

>>54726579
>Did Talon of Horus give him much character development?

Yes, but only at the last chapters since the adventure revolves around searching for Abaddon. The explanation why he aims to topple the Inperium, whether its true or not, can be found in ToH. Aside from that Abaddon wants revenge on the Emperor for the defeat in the HH and he has ambitions of seating himself as the new Emperor. Succeding where Horus has failed.

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>>54726583
That's no excuse.

>>54726470
probably some passing EC had sex with it, you know how they be.

>>54726579
Abaddon definitely grew up by Talon of Horus. And he spent a long fucking time staring directly into the Astronomicon.
To the point where his eyes became golden. I can't help but believe something from that leaked into the Nascent Warmaster. Fusing his own bellicose persona, tempered by grief and time. And maybe a tickle of the Emperors desire for the Imperium made by his own hands and Horus' desire for the Astartes to rule what they conquered.

>>54726630
Look man, when the dude who killed him had to get so swole he could take on clone Horus, and even then he feels that Siggy was a harder fight, you know that Siggy was unbelievably hardcore until his hearts finally fucking stopped.

>>54708438
I don't use vets, just tactical spam and normal terminators.

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>>54717802
>read Horus Rising, False Gods and Fulgrim
Damn, Horus falling for Chaos was such a shame, he was a legit good guy.

>>54726303
Like >>54726489 said, any legion can be played "aggressively" but if your looking at legions that are defined by aggression (as in legion rules and RoW push for aggression.
Loyalist have:
Blood Angels (Jumps packs, cc bonuses, RoW that allows some turn deep strike, good legion specific gear - assault cannons and the blades of perdition)

Space Wolves (good for massed infantry,namely power armor, legion rules and rites help get said bodies into close combat, other cc bonuses from said legion rules and rites, Grey Slayers are interesting tactical replacements)

Scars (Fast and their Rites/Rules pretty much help you close the gap, also the power glaive)

Raven Guard (Legion wide infiltrate for everything not a vehicle or terminator, and furious charge for terminators, bikes and jump infantry, decent Orbital Assault like RoW)

Since you can still play Traitors as Loyalists though sooo...:
Emperor's Children (High Initiative, AP2 at initiative, fast infantry, good mobility/deployment options)

Night Lords (CC Bonuses form Legion rules, Leadership manipulation can cripple some armies, great at bullying weak opponents)

World Eaters (Do you like lots of attacks on the Charge? Legion Rules and Rites all help with getting/being in CC. Anything without a 3+ or 2+ will do everything they can to stay away from your chain axes)

Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves (Good reserve bonus for getting your guys on the field so that can get where they need to be, rules also give you better close range firepower, plus if you outnumber them close combat, all your units that have already fought will get an extra attack. RoW are pretty good too)

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Explain to me the Sisters of Silence
Can they be run as a solo army? Which units are good and which are shit?

>>54672755
I oversprayed primer on some converted WE dudes, that pissed me off. Fuck that.

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Who's #bestauxilia here?

>>54727166
I honestly don't know. Talon forces are so insanely dominated by derp custards I genuinely don't know how sisters units play.

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I need to convert up four plasma fusils for mechanicum, any idea how to do this? What's good bits to use? I'm tempted to be lazy and just use a plasma gun.

>>54727166
The only place I would run a solo sister army is in Zone Mortalis maybe. They lack anti tank on their own and their shtick is anti psyker support for a bigger army.

>>54727166
Mechanically they can, but they really, really shouldn't. Most of their stuff is exceptionally mediocre and they lack a lot of shit like long-range fire support or anti-air.

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>>54726105
>Eye of Horus
>placed over a Chaos star

>>54686425
>Make amazing plastic custodes
>make terrible resin custodes

I thought FW was the better modelling company. Those terminators look like 3rd party, and bad 3rd party models

>>54727460
Don't mind the bodies, but those arms are a problem.

>>54727460
>Aquilion
>Cataphractii variant
>No Shoulder Slabs, not even any tassels
>Smooth back legs, none of the Cataphractii's segmented leg design

It looks like a bigger suit of tartaros/indomitus, not catapharctii. Oh well, I may just end up getting some anyways and converting them into beefed up legion termies to see if the work for true scale. Would need to possibly swap the shoulder pads out/add tassels to them, may end up changing the helmets they have, shave of the custodes level of detail and go from there

I will say that i do like the top knot/pony tail on the armor though

>>54686425
The only thing I like about those guys I like is the plumes.

>>54727460
Bodies and helmets are aces and I can appreciate the pauldrons establishing a unified design with the regular custodes, but the solarite talon/gauntlet looks boring as shit and the firepike is a disgrace.

>>54727330
...Mals standard is an eye of horus/chaos star blend. I just played around with the stuff I have. Plus my SoH are set mid heresy, at a point where the legion is quite deep into its corruption, if not fully fallen into the dark. I make use of a fair amount of chaos bitz, more concentrated among units of 'younger' legionaries, such as my despoiler squads, who are fluffed as the Heresy being thier first real campaign, they have fallen further. the occasional chaos star pops up, and I really want some rules for Lupercii, for now I use possessed minis, and use them as Reavers with chainaxes, and would happily use Forge Fiend minis as deredeos etc.

>>54727460
FW made both. They actually designed all of the BoP minis

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>>54727724
Couple of my Wip duders

>>54727764
From what my broken neck can see, they look pretty good, like the upper skeleton on the one

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>>54727764
Fugging Aussies.

>>54727773
>>54727774
I know my phone cam keeps flipping shit and I can't be assed putting it throught my PC to fix it first.
But I just wanted to convey that my SoH are built around 'about 50% Chaosified'. Not true Chaos Marines yet, but the Gods Claws are already set in.

>>54727741
But does that mean that we're gonna get a mk2 plastic box set this year?

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Heres the unit I'm currenty working on, just some seekers, because battlefield assassins sounded cool.

>>54727895
I like the use of the Death Watch chest pieces, fits the unit well. That center guy is using the Death Watch upgrade sprue head right?

>>54727895

They look good anon. I like the plumage but the bases are a bit bare. Also, you've got the same monitor as me.

>>54727934
Yup. Mainly because I ran out of plumes. I'll probably change the head out once I get a couple more plumes.

>>54727936
Thanks, and I just used the Workshop citybases. A lot of my boys have that desu. Amusing on the monitor part fellow anon.

>>54727948
I would say keep it, assuming he's the sergeant it gives him some distinction. I like it

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>>54727809
I get it. They're feeling the corruption.

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Some of the Cataphractii I was playing around with a while back, before I decieded if I was gunna go Cat I'll go Justaerin, my Vanilla Termies are in Tartaros now.

>>54727819
Thou hast posted heresy one too many times, so no, I'm afraid not.

>>54728086
How did you run your Justaerin? Did you try them before their fix?

Also just got me thinking about how the legion specific terminators would fair in 8th. 3 wounds probably, would easily be a match for Custodes this time around

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And a pic of my Justaerin and other stuff from a campaign weekend.

>>54728150
I only started playing SoH in January, before that I played Iron Hands. (Bitter Iron rite Immortal+Praevian bash fun). I just wanted something different.
And as for using Justaerin, theres a lot of combi plasma there, but otherwise I generally use power axes and a rad grenade kitted Forge Lord in cataphractii with a familiar to make them a hilarious marine IDing beatstick on the charge. Otherwise I have power fists and chainfists. It depends what flavour I feel like at the time.
>pic is forge lord.

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>>54728229
Pic dropped goddamnit

>epub available on August 12th
This is going to be a long wait.

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>>54728246
Thin that red.

>>54728361
Noted
Also, dat pic, yoink.

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>>54728331
Should I upload the audiobook or the epub?

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>>54728331
>mfw birthday epub
Great I'm going to be stuck at bandcamp like last time.
>>54728383
Glad I could make you laugh. There is a lack of 40k Spurdos.

>>54728387
Epub please.

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Heres my Tartaros mob because abaddon and fast termies are funny. Still quite WiP due to them not really being in my core army.

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>>54728387
Do the .epub pl0x

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>>54728447
Praise the wARmAsSSSssTeR

>>54728387
Audio pls, I can't read I'm too retard.

>>54728179
What big tank is that? A malcador?

>>54721276
I like your chaplain(?) a lot.

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>>54728553
I have about 50 Terminators (30 Regular 20 Justaerin), Abaddon, Maloghurst, A Justaerin mini based Praetor (Falkus Kibre), Jump Pack Captain/Chaplain (Ekaddon) A few librarians in power and cataphractii armour. A master of Signal and a few other generic officers. About 170 Marines, 70ish veterans, 10 volkite charger support, 10 plasma support, 10 melta support, 50 despoilers, and 20 heavy weapons marines, 3 contemptors and a boxnaught, oh and a Leviathan.
The rest of my stuff is tanks, couple sicarans, couple venators, couple malcadors and a bunch of rhinos,
Fighters, a pair of lightnings, and Lords of War, Horus and a Storm Lord.

>>54728587
Yup, I take 2 with flare shields habitually, and typically they are the only thing that starts on the board. They then do thier best to avoid medusa range... or zoom in to kill the fuckers depending on terrain. Or battering various rapier platforms/whatever fire support units with battlecannons.

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>>54728668
Oh and I forgot my Spartan and drop pods sitting unassembled behind me... fuck.

>>54727166
T:3 really kills them as a solo army

Since there are a few Sons of Horus players in here now, how are you guys running Reavers? I've been skipping all the upgrades except for chainaxes and then artificer armor/power fist on the sergeant and it's let them actually make their points back.

I played Black Reaving on Friday night in a 5000 point per side 2v2. Me and my ally tabled them because we had over a hundred power armor dudes (I brought 45 Reavers, ally brought 60 Grey Slayers) on the table in addition to a couple Primarchs, 10 Justaerin and 5 Varangyr. It was just too many models for them to deal with. Rage is fucking sweet if you can get it to work, and my risky deep strikes with the Justaerin all worked out.

>waiting patiently for the Black Legion book
What happened to me? ToH was ok at best, why am I waiting for BL like it's going to be great?

>>54729175
>patiently
I'm gnashing my teeth over here and I hate ADB.

>>54729121
I run 15 jump reavers with ten chain axes, 2 swords and 2 fists. Only Artificer and MB on the chieftain. Along with s jump chaplain on the Long March for sweet fleet and crusader eventually. They do ok, but I've only gotten to play against a handful of legions with them.

>>54729175
>>54729221
Some bad opinions here

>>54729286
Yeah, well, I think you have a bad opinion. Now what?

>>54729286
Do you mean we shouldn't be wanting to read it at all or that ADB/BL is good?

>>54729309
You could hurt my feelings you tremendous fagtron.

>>54729484
Well then maybe this is a lesson for you to not be so mean, and to think about what you say on a Georgian boar-hunting website.
It's called the Golden Rule for a reason, anon.

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>>54728668
>>54728734
I like what you got, definitely got your collection in the works, huh?

>Maximum Lupercal
kek

I wish there was more Luna Wolves art of them in battle

>>54730430
>>54730430
>>54730430

New thread, hop over when you get tired of this one.

>>54729121
I generally avoid reaving and go for long march. Take Mal to make your reavers troops, and Horus or abaddon for DSing termies. I don't massively rate reavers myself, but thats because my local has little for them to prey on.

>>54724224
Glad to see Sigismund get a good end. In a funny way, a happy ending for a character to get.

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