EDH/Commander General /edhg/

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>>54657648
>Competitive
It is varied. We have few people that combo on turn one and everyone else can go fuck himself and score of people enjoying durdlestuff

>How much does flavor weigh
Sometimes it does not like with my Jeleva with I try to build to be as competative as I can.

However with Karloff and his mafia I try to fit as much of the Orzhov stuff as I can. Even if some pieces aren't so great

>>54657665
Arcum Fagsson, the artifact tutor in the zone. Sac your Tax pieces on EoT and go into your turn with your toolbox and all your mana.

>>54657648
>How much does flavor weigh in to your deckbuilding decisions? Might be helpful to frame your answer with a mention about how competitive your meta is.
I do not like flavorful decks but i put treva's charm, treva's attendant and treva's ruin in my treva enchantress deck

Does anyone have any good wincons for Zur astral slide?

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>How much does flavor weigh in to your deckbuilding decisions?
Moderately? Like I'll rarely if ever restrict myself to "Flavor hit cards ONLY!", but I'll often determine a secondary package based on what seems to work from a flavor perspective, either with the Commander or something else very important in the deck, or carry a flavor sub-theme through. Like, I'm working on Scarab God and I've got a desert package in my utility lands because why not? it injects a little more Amonkhet/Hour feel into the deck. And I included Urza's Guilt so I went for Planeshift versions of Sunken Hope and Warped Devotion to have some of that carry through. (even if I was going to include the cards anyway)

>>54657648
>How much does flavor weigh in to your deckbuilding decisions? Might be helpful to frame your answer with a mention about how competitive your meta is.
i put emphasis on flavor assuming it doesnt make the deck objectively worse to do so. the one exception is my gwafa deck which is essentially me role playing as the godfather, that deck is actually quite good and flavorful

Looks like someone is creaming himself over being able to make the OP this time.
Good job, OP!

>>54657648
I don't play bad cards just for flavor. Surrak runs Temur Ascendancy because it works. Jarad doesn't run Golgari Charm because it's not good. If I was building Hapatra I might use Golgari Charm.

>>54657795
If you're already running Zur, you can include some voltron enchantments.
Also consider Living Death if you're cycling a lot of creatures or even just blinking Gary with Astral Slide.

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>>54657648
>Thread Question
My playgroup is semi-competitive with some infinite combos and mostly optimized decks.
I'll use flavor as a reason to build a deck in the first place and then include staples and goodstuff to actually make it work. For example, I'll build something Kozilek and try to include cards that are more cosmic horror/sci-fi, and luckily most of the good artifacts somewhat fit that theme.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/me-grimlock-build-deck/

Anyone have more Grimlock ideas? I don't know if I want to go Dinosaurs+Vehicles or Voltron/Artifacts Matters with him.

Also are there any other similar effects to Mirror Entity in RGW that do the "All creatures are every/this type"?

>>54657952
I've got an idea - don't use illegal cards.

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>>54657997
this

What are some of the best equipments that give flying?

What's the best artifact toolbox controlish commander? Asking again since last thread just bit the dust.

>>54657709
Thanks anon, looking into it. Seems comfy enough.

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>>54657997
>>54658004
If it's printed by WOTC and your playgroup allows it, then what's the issue?

>>54658051
Arcum is good, but only 1 color, try Breya.

Daretti or Feldon for mono-red artifacts? I have Slobad too, but idk about him.

>>54657997
Would you honestly tell someone off for playing a Grimlock deck? At the most, I'd give the guy a rough time about needing to transform a toy with the ability.

>>54657997

I'd expect a supposed "casual" format to be less anal about what's legal and what's not.

>>54658108

I personally prefer Feldon because aside from flavor reasons you can pull off more fun things with him.

>>54658108
Daretti. Feldon is reanimator with an artifact subtheme while Daretti is artifacts with a reanimator subtheme.

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>>54658069
>your playgroup allows it
thats the problem
>heh im going to use onix as my commander, this version was printed by wizards and my playgroup allows it

>>54658069
Fuck out of here Nick, we all know you jack off on your transformers.

>>54658136
>Would you honestly tell someone off for playing a Grimlock deck?
yes
im not going to put up with some autist tinkering with actions figures while we are playing edh

>>54658069
>what if the child consents

>>54658182
>card uses normal MTG formatting and rules, but is from a promotional set
>somehow equivalent to using a card from a different game

>>54658241
>card uses normal MTG formatting and rules
you didnt read the card at all did you?

>>54658163
>haha it's just casual anon, here's Shahzarad and Hive Mind don't be so anal

>>54658219
I don't see how that's any worse than a waifu-tribal Kaalia player using MLP sleeves.

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Anyone got some spicy tech for this guy? I'm considering getting a blue hat, what do you guys think?

>>54658251
Transforming a toy isn't that big of a deal as you're pretending like it is. Nobody's using it in a tournament where you'll get a judge call or some shit for properly transforming it. The rest of the card is perfectly normal and understandable.

>>54658265
Because the Kaalia player cries when you Putrefy her.

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>>54658219
You act as if someone playing him would actually bring a regular sized transformer and not one of the ones that fit in your pocket and transform in like three steps

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>>54658293
This is some strong autism

>>54658317
Honestly, I'd just ignore that bit all together and let them pay 2 and transform.

>>54657952
is that considered a dexterity card?

>>54658253
>A shitty anthem effect is the same as making the game unplayable
Ok.

>>54658317
>You act as if someone playing him would actually bring a regular sized transformer
You act like the entire point of playing him as a commander is anything BUT an excuse to sperg out

>>54658355
No, but Silver Border cards aren't Vintage Legal which means they aren't EDH Legal either.

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>>54658234

That's like fucking world championship class inappropriate analogy, well fucking done.

>>54658374
So let him sperg out. If he's being obnoxious and holding up the game only playing legal cards won't stop that.

>>54658219
>they ruin my SUPER SERIAL EDH game with their fun!

Sounds like you're the autist here.

>>54658317
Be honest with yourself anon, you know all the people who are currently trying to get the "ok" to play grimlock are sitting in ebay right now, buying up devastators and unicrons.

>>54658355

It's effectively an Unglued card, as in they don't even bother banning them because they're not legal anywhere to begin with.

>>54658409
>So let him sperg out
no thanks id rather not encourage that kind of behavior
>pff can you believe these tryhards who want to sit down and play a game of magic without constant disruption, heh what an autist

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>>54658069
Can't wait to play this

>>54658448
>starting at 5 life

That's not even bad, the subgame is going to end in like two turns.

Shahrazad is a the real nigger because the subgame starts at default life total.

>>54658441
>he doesn't play EDH exclusively with friends while having a few drinks
Wew.

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>>54658418
Meanwhile I'm sitting here excited for Nerf Wars.

>>54658441
This.

Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to play edh and be socially competent.

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>>54658374
I dig giant robots.

I see a dude who's a giant robot (and also a T-Rex but that's not the important part here) get a card and I want to run that dude in a Commander deck. Sure I could run Bosh or Karn but those are just big metal dudes, not actual robots. Sure I could learn how to play Cardfight Vanguard and play Yuushas but Vanguard is ass and I don't want to spend money on two TCGs at once.

If someone at the table says I can't run Grimlock then I'll just sleeve him out for Gishark or something else Naya, it's not a big deal. I just want to run a big stompy deck of robots and dinosaurs.

>>54658497
I tell ya im getting damn near close to just never going to LGSs anymore
randos really are cancer
>tfw my playgroup got hit hard by an arms race and now 2/4 of them dont want to play till the new commander set is released
fug

>STOP HAVING FUN IN MY SERIOUS CASUAL SOCIAL KITCHEN TABLE FORMAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I bet you tryhard fuckers thought using Leovold as your commander was okay just because he was "legal".

>>54658532
>robots and dinosaurs.
well I hate to break it to you but there are no legal dinosaurs printed
no legal transformers
only vehicles, could just wait for ixalan to get an actual naya dino commander

>>54658550
>I cant have fun unless I'm being a total sperg and or the center of attention

>>54658550
Hate to break it to you anon, but you're the one who's arguing for house rules and therefore the need for a by table ban of Leo.

>>54658475

It's not gonna end fast it just means people can't abuse Necropotence or sylvan library or fetch-shock

>>54658588
>It's not gonna end fast
>uh, attack with landofwar elves
>no blocks
>boros charm you
hehe time to double demonic tutor

Is sandwurm convergence good for Kruphix?

>>54658610
No
but its fun

>>54658555
FYI, rosewater clarified that transformers meant any card with transform.

>>54658610
A seven mana enchantment better be sucking my dick. Stopping flyers and 5/5s doesn't cut it.

>>54658583

Yes, and? There's no contradiction there. Illegal things that are fun should always be allowed, legal things that are not fun should always be disallowed. That is the spirit of EDH according to its creators.

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>>54658555
>No legal dinoaurs
Ixilan is coming, and older cards are getting Oracle'd back into Dinos. Plus I already mentioned Gishark. Vehicles are kinda shit yes. That's why that decklist I posted is basically one part Depala-lite, one part robot/dino looking dudes, and one part Naya staples.

The Transformers portion is easily negligible. I mean I already have Mirror Entity in the deck to make everything a Transformer, but it also makes them a Dinosaur so does it really matter. I was already planning to just run the various Gearhulks/Colossi/Constructs out there as for the robots theme anyways.

Excuse me that me wanting to make a robots and dinosaurs deck got you this upset.

>>54658661
>fun
And as plenty of people are telling you, watching you play with your transformers isn't fun.

>>54658607

Nice fantasy scenario you got there

>>54658646

Isn't it 8 mana?

>>54658583
Yeah and I'm not playing a perfectly legal Food Chain combo deck with my friends because we play the game to have fun while being semi-competitive. Grimlock does nothing gamebreaking and is a perfectly fair card.

>>54658727
I don't see how that changes the point of my post.

>>54658707
Then just tell them to ignore the transforming part and just pay (2) so that they don't disrupt the game. It's not that hard.

>>54658744

8 mana enchantments need to let you do anal

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>>54658707
There are Transformers that transform at the press of a button/pulling back a switch. That's faster than waiting for someone to search his deck for a card, shuffling your deck, or taking a card out of its sleeve to flip it to its transformed side.

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>it's a "people not capable of holding two contradicting thoughts in their minds derail the thread" episode

>>54658775
>it's a "namefag thinks he's better" episode
Fuck off.

>>54657648
Anyone listen to the podcast about C17 Vampire deck?

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>>54658775
>tripfag thinks anyone cares about his opinion

Not sure why I didn't have you filtered

>>54658775
>selfrighteous namefag can't just partake in the shitposting argument of the day.
It's like you hate fun.

>>54658674
>Ixilan is coming
yeah and with it a legal naya dino commander

>>54658713
point is its not hard to do 5 damage

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>>54658834
yeah but is it a Naya robot? You seem to think I care more for the dinosaur aspect and less the robot/artifact shenanigans aspect of the card.

>>54658775
>wanting people to be capable of holding two contradicting thoughts
satanist detected

>>54658854
build the deck any way you want
just use legal cards

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Have you ever had a person in your group sperg out to a great extent?
>group is 4 regulars, including myself. On occasions we have 6
>one guy in particular is extremely tryhard and even makes bogus claims such as he invented X combo that has existed for 4+ years prior and was utilised then
>previous session the tryhard gets angry for not winning a single game and accuses us all of targetting him over other threats should mention the only deck he was playing was a copy paste of the top brago deck on tappedout that he claimed he built by himself
>everyone but him laughs it off because he's angry over tiny shit before
>later on he sends everyone emails saying that we all suck ass at deckbuilding and that we need to get good
>he goes into more detail with the other 2, saying things that make him sound like a complete ass
>sends me texts saying that the other 2 refuse to play with him because of the things he said but they should still play with him anyways then calls me an asshole
I don't want to pull a bryan but I feel like he needs to get the message that he can't throw a fit and be allowed back just because he's a "regular"

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>>54658883
Ok the 99 are all legal cards but I wish to use Grimlock at the head of the deck to fit the deck thematically. If someone objects to him I'll swap out for Gishark or Uril. What then?

>>54658707
>plenty of people

You're the only one who's sperging out about it. Everybody else agrees that the commander is totally fine and balanced.

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>>54658907
You can't just say shit like this and not post screenshots.

>>54658923
Honestly anyone who objects is being a faggot. Go find people who aren't total fucking spergs to play with

>>54658588
>matches that start at 5 life do not end faster than matches that start at 40

Are you actually stupid? 5 life means that literally any creature with a power above 0 is a mortal threat that has to be dealt with immediately.

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>>54658923
>all the cards are legal
>but

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>>54658946
>Everybody else agrees that the commander is totally fine and balanced.

>>54658993

Go be a crybaby somewhere else.

>>54659017
>crybaby
projecting much?

>>54659007

You're literally the only person complaining about it. And even you don't have any point other than your fantasy scenario where transforming a plastic robot takes like 20 minutes and everybody is forced at gunpoint to watch instead of going on with the turn.

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>>54658961
>Go find people who aren't total fucking spergs to play with

But I do play with people like that already. We all have a variety of different power-level decks and there's enough of us that we can manage to rotate players after each game for different pairings. There's no big arms race since we're all focused on just building a bunch of different decks instead of pooling resources into one huge deck. It's a good bunch of people both new and familiar with the game.

>>54658993
Thank you for ignoring the part where I said the 99 was legal.

>>54658946
>27 posters
>only one person disagrees with me

>>54659040
>ignoring the part where I said all the cards were legal but...
>but
>as in except
>as in there are cards that aren't legal

>>54659069
*a card not cards
point still stands

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>>54659069
There aren't any cards that are illegal in the 99. That is the point that I am making.

Quit being pedantic about a cardgame

>>54658985

I didn't say it wouldn't end faster just that it wouldn't end fast

A lot of decks in my meta are nearly incapable of killing somebody outside their normal combo gameplan

>>54658907
This is some serious delusion. I wouldn't put up with this.

>>54659121
>That is the point that I am making
thats not really much of a point

>>54657648
>tfw just bought a baneslayer angel and a bitterblossom

Does bitterblossom even see play in any other format anymore? I remember it being 13$ prior to the unbaning.. seems sweet with anointed procession tho.

>>54659161
>Does bitterblossom even see play in any other format anymore?
modern, its arguably the strongest single card in a vacuum thats legal
at least thats what people say
idk
I dont play modern

>>54659161
Faeries is somewhat of a thing in Modern and Bitterblossom is a 4-of in that, but the price seems mostly based on people refusing to lower the price.

>>54659121
>Quit being pedantic about a cardgame and just overlook the fact my commander isnt even a legal card
some serious Talmud tier arguing here

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Going by this thread I must be a dick for running mr peanuts as my commander over sram

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I was hoping that I wouldn't have to post this today.

>>54659207
>commander rules purposefully include mentions of house-rules
>perfectly fine legendary creature is released and while not official legal, doesn't change the game in any significant way so people are generally okay with it
Where is the problem here? Nobody is making you play with the card, and you're allowed to ask people to play with a legal card instead. You're just worrying about some slippery slope bullshit. Most people also agree that something Nerf War shouldn't be played, so the line has already been drawn.

>>54659271
>I must be a dick for running mr peanuts as my commander over sram
yeah you are, not only because its not a legal commander but also because theres word games you can play to insta win
so pretty much the definition of dick

>>54659347
>house-rules
the whole point of this conversation is that first dont show up with randos with that deck and second that if you tried to house rule it a significant amount of people would say no

why else would you even bring it up in the first place?

>>54659352
Good thing you're not in my group then. Last thing we need is a faggot like you

>>54658511
Nerf War specifies that it needs to be a blaster, not an automatic machine gun.

>>54659374
No, the whole point was one anon asking for help with his Grimlock deck and people lost their shit because it wasn't a legal commander.

>>54659271
"Does the answer to this question have the same binary yes-no value as the answer to the question "Will you concede during your precombat main phase this turn?"?"

Solved.

Fuck being tryhard with Frankie Peanuts. It's a pity Oracle en-Vec isn't a legend despite representing a specific lore character, because she'd actually apply the 'fun' and/or 'fair' uses of Frankie.

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>>54659379
Fuck your library

Am I the only one who thinks the 75% is fucking garbage and babies need to stop complaining about power level.

>>54659375
exactly
I cant believe people object to my Onyx commander deck
what a bunch of prudes

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aside from Scarecrows what are your favorite things to put in this deck? (legal cards only please)
I like to put winter orb effects and artifact synergy cards

>>54659442
Changelings (If you don't count them as scarecrows)

>>54659442
Harvest season, early harvest, second harvest, bountiful harvest, infernal harvest.

So I have a bunch of energy cards just laying around
what mana type should each represent im going to make my 5c basic lands only deck have energy cards instead of lands

>>54659402
75% is garbage, but power level is something that needs to be acknowledged.

>>54659395
maro had to answer like five different questions on his tumblr from people that wanted to use guns like this with nerf war

>>54659469
I like the way you think

>>54659469
>Harvest season, early harvest, second harvest, bountiful harvest, infernal harvest.
wunda full
>>54659470
> energy cards
you mean like poekeman?

>>54658182
>and my playgroup allows it
Literally zero problems. Try to come up with a good argument.

>>54658251
It's as normal as having to deal with energy counters from Kaladesh. It's a new mechanic, that's all.

>>54659478
Im talking about the power level of a deck. If you have like a 100% Thrasios/Tymna Doomsday Hightide list and you know the guy across the table is playing a precon, dont be a dick and cobmbo turn 3. Like people complain that shits op when really its just the pilots playing the deck that are assholes.

>>54659576
these same types of deck typically fall apart once they wiff on the wincon/deviate from the strategy their build towards

>>54659576
That's retarded anon. If I have a win I'm going to go for a win, and I'd want anyone else to do the same. Condescending durdling helps no one.

>>54658645
so this means that the best Werewolf commander is a Transformer silver-bordered card?

Damn I feel sad for the people who love that tribe

>>54659614
See thats where I was but after playing a 3 four person games that ended between turns 3-5 one of which was a turn 1 kill people didnt want to play. But if I found myself pulling punches and trying to make the game more "interesting" then people responded much better.

>>54659614
>Condescending durdling helps no one
in a competitive format I would agree with you but edh is not a competitive format
no amount of "helping" someone who likes a particular powerlevel is going to ge them to build a cutthroat deck

Best commander partner with Vial Smasher?

Also, I really wanna be in BRGU, but it's NBD. I have Vial Smasher and the BW partner that gets a creature from your yard back to hand. But fuck me I hate Mardu

>>54659641
Yes. Yes it does.

>>54658661
That would be great if fun wasn't extremely subjective.

>>54659654
>>54659650
So you get the person to tone down his deck. You don't say "Look, that deck gives me bad feels, so you can use it, you just can't actually play the cards in it." And if they don't like that you don't play.

>>54659657
I use Kydele with Vial and put a metric ton of wheels on the deck, pretty good.

>>54659657
Kydele and a Wheel is absolute insanity, plus she makes a million mana for your huge Vial bombs. Thrasios is good if you want to combo out with infinite mana.

>>54659735
post list pl0x

>>54659641
So? The best mono U commander is a silver bordered card too.

>>54659352
You do realize the commander want always am official format, right? It was made by judges who wanted to fuck around. This is exactly the kind of shit they would probably play with.

>>54659750
It's really just the Yidris precon with some tuning, but here it is: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dia-de-sao-cosme-e-damiao/
You'd probably want more instants than I have too.

>>54659770
Yeah, but there are other good mono U commanders. The same cannot be said for Werewolves.

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>>54659791
>the commander want always am

>>54660094
I'm assuming that should be "wasn't always an".

>have three fully constructed decks
>have house mates who play Magic
>can't convince them to try it

>>54660289
crazy.

I live in house with a bunch of magic players, and the only format we do play together is commander.

I've only played Magic in passing over the years but I'm looking to get real into it now.
If I were to want a custom playmat and sleeves where would be the best place to go?

>>54660311
Inked Gaming. 25 dollars plus shipping is a pretty good deal for a custom playmat. The sleeves I don't know, Inked has a waiting list for those.

>>54660304
I think they're afraid I'll take the best deck for myself or something, even though I'm very open about the fact that it's Brago and they're welcome to him.

Building Razaketh because im a cunt
How many combos in mono black are too many? It currently has
>mike/trike
>sanguine/exquisite
>magus of the coffers/sword of the paruns
>bloodchief ascension/mindcrank
>grave titan/ashnods altar/nim deathmantle
> blood tribute/wound reflection
Its pretty much cast razzles on t8 and tutor the combo piece im missing

>>54660478
Watch out, he might get banned in a year
And we get $100

>>54660311
Why get custom when you can order lewd loli waifu mats and sleeves from japan

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>>54660496
Was about to get on my platform and start arguing as to why Razaketh wont be banned

Until I saw
>And we get $100

>>54660526
Because my waifu is Isperia.

>>54660478
I've theory-crafted same thing with a few different combos like ophiomancer + contamination or triskaidekaphobia + tree of perdition

Seems like fun

>>54660142
Right-O

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>>54660530
>>54660496
Thread reminder! The clock is ticking.

>>54660567
Also endrek sahr and assault suit so nobody ever wins a game again

if you could partner any two legendaries, which ones?
note that they have to be relevant with eachother. you can't just "splash a colour"

Hiw do I convince my play group to stop spending so much money on cards? I am unemployed and cannot keep up and it makes me feel bad.

>>54660630
Brago + Vela

>>54660311
Inked gaming for play mats, dragon shields for sleeves. Both are objectively better than anything else on the market atm

>>54660630
Probably Slobad and Silas Renn, having a sac outlet with Silas' recursion would be really useful. I also just really want a grixis artifact commander that does something more useful than Mishra.

>>54660639
Try to sucker them into trying out Pauper Commander for a while. To them, it will cost basically nothing to build Pauper decks.

>>54660630
Ezuri + Teysa would be interesting.

>>54660630
Radha and Venser.

>>54660727
not anon but pauper edh is commons + uncommon commander right?
im the only person in my playgroup who tink pauper anything sounds kinda cool :(

>>54659394
>until end of turn

They don't even have to abide on their pre combat main phase if they answer wrong.
Personally I'd just use him to ask about what they're holding.

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>>54659442

IT'S HARVEST TIME!

>>54660410
Or maybe they just prefer the real game of magic.

>>54660783
>pauper edh is commons + uncommon commander right?

Right.
What you do here is find out their pet uncommon creature. Get them to understand how cool it would be for that to be their commander.

>>54660841
Why are you even here?

So, has anyone listened the official podcast about C17's Vampires?
Does anyone have a tl;dl?
Only relevant thing on the page is that they confirmed spoiler season starts next week.
Oh, and talking about spoilers, are the leaked cards from Ixalian all the rare or just a part of them?

>>54660855
Thinking about making a commander deck since the format is eating 60 card casual.

>>54660864
>Vampire Commander is Edgar Markov
>There will be Tarkir, Innistrad and Zendikar Vampires somewhere in the deck

It was literally nothing

>>54660868
>60 card casual
I miss those days.
So much easier to build thematic decks and the games didn't last 2 hours.

>>54660630
>if you could partner any two legendaries, which ones?
zur and aurelia

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>>54660873

>literally

>>54660882
Yeah I love it. Being able to play 4 ofs and build around things like burning vengeance or nest of scarabs. But most casual players love commander more so it's eating up the casual scene.
So I might make a deck just to get more games in.

>>54660873
Isn't there you one vampire from the Tarkir block?
This guy.
http://magiccards.info/ktk/en/75.html

>>54660966
Meant to write only, not you.
Should go to sleep

>>54657952
My nigga.
I'm working on something similar; two Nayasaur decks, one for Gishark, one for Grimlock.
Grimlock is gonna be casual fun times Dino riders bullshit, but Gishark?
Gishark is going to be "all your lands are exiled while I shit dinosaurs onto the field for free."
They will rue the day I'm denied my silver-bordered fun times.

>>54660929
how new are you?
>>54660966
Yeah, they talked about this guy for a little bit, there might be another one of these Eastern inspired vampires in the deck

>>54660966
>>54660985
Could be that one of the new cards for the deck will be a Tarkir vampire.

>>54661013
Oh, ok, thanks

>>54660966
>>54661000
I'd be all about more vampires in this style. They're creepy as fuck.

>>54660966
How is that only a vampire and not "vampire horror" or something like that.

>>54661034
That's a leyak-themed vampire. Now I want a penanggalan card.

>>54660630

Brothers Yamazaki and Takeno Samurai General. With Brothers Yamazaki in the 99 as well.

How do you guys feel about Two-Headed Giant EDH?
We've been trying it out at my table with the rules that teammates can't run the same cards since one of the trial runs involved a Nekusar and his teammates running 30 something wheels between the two of them, and a life total of 50 since 60 ended up being way too much.
So far it's been pretty smooth, not entirely different from a normal table but instead of bullshiting around with polotics your allegiances are clear from the get-go.

>>54661071

>penanggalan

That's the one that's like the flying head of an old lady with all of its guts hanging out behind it, right?

>>54661104
Yeah. I just want more weird and exotic shit in this game.

>>54661117
>still no faceless waifu
>still no sharkteeth waifu
>still no floating head waifu
>still no dullahan-esque skinless giant-headed burning-eyed abyssmal nightmare monster waifu
Why live?

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>>54661192

>>54661293
please be my skin-flaying robot waifu

>>54660957

i miss 60 card casual sometimes but i enjoy commander because it's fun to build around a legendary i guess.

>>54661117
Kamigawa taught them weird and exotic shit doesn't sell. That's why we keep having theme park worlds.

>>54661394
What if you played 60 card Commander?

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>>54661451
>some monstrous hybrid tiny leaders shit

>>54661432
That's the reason I'm so afraid of what they're might do to do to Dominaria. Maro already confirmed it's going to be """more focused thematically"""

>>54661451
That sounds boring and broken. The issue with "casual" 60 cards is that arms races are even more of a thing than in commander. Oh you're playing a Tempered Steel deck that just wants to swing with Ornithopters and Memnites? Let me slide in 4 Shattering Sprees.
100 card singleton at least has enough variance that one hate card can't ruin the game.

>>54661451

IDK if it'd be the same, to be honest.

>>54661533
I'm optimistic since Richard Garfield is helping with the design of the set, but I still expect to be disappointed.

>>54658907
Second for screenshot pls

>>54661594
>>54661533
I'll be okay so long as we get a Barbarian H-Elf Waifu card.

>>54660630
Gitrog+Titania

>>54660966
Good thing C17 will feature 56 new cards.

>>54661533
Well, after the Planar Rifts, there is a bit more of a consolidated identity to Dominaria, which could basically be summed up as "Shit's fucked, yo". They could easily be focusing on how Dominaria is rebuilding as "a theme".

They have admitted though that the Returns have screwed up in the past by throwing the original block under the bus for the sake of the story. Long time Mirrodin fans weren't unanimously thrilled to see their plane hollowed out for the glory of Yawgmoth, nobody gave even the slightest fuck about the Gateless or even the actual Dragon's Maze, Battle for Zendikar had none of the charm of original Zendikar, focusing instead on the war against the Eldrazi, which many criticized as the worst part of Zendikar and Shadows continued the Eldrazi plotline when everyone was already fatigued by it.

Because of all of the negative feedback for these Return sets, they've reevaluated what a Return needs to be. Dominaria will be the first Return we're seeing under the new philosophy, so there's room for anything to happen. They could royally screw it up or somehow manage to knock it out of the park. There is at least an acknowledgement of past mistakes to give some hope though.

>>54661694
Removing the story focus on the Gatewatch was probably the best decision they could have made. Cosmic horror Innistrad could have been amazing if they didn't need to make it another episode of Jacetice League saves the day.

>>54661694
>implying fighting Ulamog and retaking Sea Gate wasn't the hypest shit

You're right about Shadows tho

>>54661694
Rebuilding as a theme sounds fine, I think that Time Spiral also did really well with it's post-apocalyptic feel without losing the many different cultures of Dominaria. It'd just be a shame if they went for a unifying culture for the whole of Dominaria when it's main appeal was that it felt like a gigantic world of many different locations and people.

That's also the problem I had with Kaladesh, it didn't even feel like a world, it was more or less just a city. The only interesting part about it's culture were the aetherborn as well so it felt really small and not like a plane at all.

Let's hope for the best, at least we are rid of the Jace and the superfriends for now

>>54657952
I can't imagine it not being annoying as hell to wait for the Grimlock player to fuck around with his toys every time he activates that ability

>>54661818
>Jacestice league stomping two Eldrazi titans was good

The rest of the set was alright, but damn, that was just retarded

>>54661826
Ahmonket also didn't feel like a full world. I wanted more traveling and small towns centered around an oasis surrounded by dangerous deserts. Instead we just got a cluttered main city with gods who just chilled with the locals.

>>54661791
And we know it could have been amazing because IT FUCKING WAS. Thalia and Sigarda's fight against Brisela was incredible, with the Amazing Jace nowhere to be seen.

>>54661826
>it didn't even feel like a world, it was more or less just a city.

Holy shit, this so much. This is what I like the least about the more recent sets

>BFZ is just Allies vs Eldrazi, no inbetween asides from the occasional big dude like Angry Omnath
>SOI was still Innistrad so they had to still use the established tribes/locations
>Kaladesh is basically just Ghirapur and some glimpses of the area outside of it
>Amonkhet is just Naktamun but this kinda makes sense from a story perspective

Ixilan might have potential here since we know there's a Sun Empire, bands of Pirates, Vampire clerics, Elf Dinoriders, and merfolk, so we'll definitely be seeing more involved civilizations/cultures hopefully.

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HAWT!

Make Magic Adult Again! Mmaaa!!

>>54661920
I kinda give Amonkhet a pass since it was supposed to be an almost dead world. Sucks to have lost the Egyptian flavour to nothing more than Bolas private zombie factory though

>>54661818
I won't imply that, I'll state it outright. A significant number of people were very dissatisfied with Battle for Zendikar, not the least because, as >>54661862 mentions, it solidified the story direction's move to focusing on Jace and his merry men. Fans of Zendikar were disappointed to see more Allies and Eldrazi, and fans of the Eldrazi were disappointed to see their Titans killed in such an abrupt and unfulfilling way. Part of this is admittedly the move to two set blocks tearing out the ability to escalate the tension of the story as exemplified by Kozilek's return being revealed only a week or two before his death. Luckily, that too will be changing with Dominaria, as they've decided to break blocks up into "however many sets are needed" rather than having a codified limit.

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>>54661975

> however many sets are needed

Fuck, I hope so.

>>54661966
It makes sense for the story, but it's just such wasted potential. At least it resulted in the end of the Gatewatch. It'll be nice to have Jace and Liliana pursuing their own storylines.

>>54662035
Which of the old Phyrexians is still alive?

>>54662074
Tsabo's dead, Crovax is dead, Belbe and Ertai are dead, Greven's dead, the entire division sent to Tolaria got Obliterated.

I can't think of any named characters who weren't killed off by the end. It's mostly lingering corruption IIRC from Time Spiral.

>>54659043
but anon he works best AS pirate tribal
that being said, what you linked was cool as fuck

>>54662074
>>54662124
Gix is lost in time so he could potentially appear again

>>54662035
They've said there are some stories they feel like they could have comfortably told in one or two sets, with one example having been the original Innistrad, where Dark Ascension really didn't contribute anything significant. In contrast, they noticed they definitely botched handling the Eldrazi, with both BfZ and SoI having stories that could have significantly benefited from the three-set block. Kaladesh and Amonkhet, on the other hand, both feel like they fit perfectly fine in a two-set block, and both probably would have dragged on a bit too long if they had to stretch to fit three sets.

>>54662124
Gix could be alive. Last we saw he went through an exploding time portal so fuck all knows his final fate. Croag could also still be running (Along with any other Yawgmoth Demons of the inner circle, with the same rank and capabilities of Gix and Croag): He could planar travel under his own steam (like Negators) and had a very independent psyche rather than being part of Yawgmoth's weird not-quite-hive-mind, so he could have escaped the fall of Old Phyrexia.

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>>54662074

Like new God's can't be made.... silly goose.

>>54661975
Man I hope once they get their shit together we return to lorwyn and alara, I loved those two blocks.

>>54662192
If you roll back and really look at all the blocks, you can kind of see why they moved to two set blocks to start with. I'd go so far as to say the majority of stories didn't need three sets to be told.

>>54662215

> lorwyn

Since BFZ and Mirage that one intrigues me #3, Mirrodin/Urza being #1-2 but more so because "my" edh deck is colorless eldrazi.

>>54662210
Fair point. She is best waifu after all.

>>54662215
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Rabiah_Scale

Alara is a 4, which is a pretty good shot. They love printing Legendary creatures from Alara in supplemental sets too.

Lorwyn is a 7, because
>Many people find it difficult to identify with a setting completely lacking in humans
>The Storybook artstyle was offputting to some players
>The board complexity of the block was very high, which drove new players and players already on edge from Time Spiral away, giving a negative association to the setting by proxy
>One of the most significant pieces of Lorwyn's identity, the Tribal card type, is a 9 on the Storm Scale, and they'd have to be comfortable returning to the block without bringing it back

>>54662210
I want this, but don't wanna pay 150 quid for one card for a race I don't really like apart from the idea and Norn.

>>54662325
where are the explanations for each? id like to read them

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>>54662339
I'd love if they made one for sheoldred too, best praetors.

>>54662359
The citations cover some, but you kind of have to dig around on Maro's tumblr for the others.

>>54662325
I will never understand why "tribal" was such an issue.

Was it sheer balance?

Too afraid of cards that reduce the cost of non-creature tribal cards?


To me it seemed a great avenue to explore

>>54662325
>The Storybook artstyle was offputting to some players
This is why we can't have nice things. Bland cgi art every set is so much better, right?

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>>54662325
>Many people find it difficult to identify with a setting completely lacking in humans
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY SPECIES?!

>>54662325
At what state is Lorwyn/Shadowmoor at the moment anyways? Are both sides "active" at the same time? Or is it still changing every few centuries?

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>>54657648

>R&D Wasted potential

>>54662422
Because Tribal was all or nothing, and they ultimately chose nothing. They originally tested Innistrad with the Tribal card type, and they found they were faced with too many questions every single card they printed, stuff like "Should you be able to get this kind of card back with Ghoulcaller's Chant?".

Additionally, it raises a lot of questions when they don't use it. Why is All is Dust an Eldrazi spell, but Inquisition of Kozilek isn't?

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>>54662325

Storm?! STORM SCALE?! BANDING BANDING BANDING!!! RAMPAGERAMPAGERAMPAGE!!!

>>54662473
>All or nothing

I'll never understand them. They could have just printed some here or there. You know, how they do with every card they ever print.

As for questions like " All is Dust an Eldrazi spell, but Inquisition of Kozilek isn't"

could simply be balance reasons, no different then what determines a card being instant or sorcery, or its cost.


shrug

>>54662462
The Great Aurora is gone, but we don't actually know what state it left the plane in. Maralen became the new Queen of the Fae, and ostensibly decided to return the plane to a regular day/night cycle, rather than it being up to Oona's whimsy, but there's no official word on how that actually works out.

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>>54662424
I wish we'd get more sets featuring terese nielsens/rebecca guays art but that seems to be reserved for promos/supplemental sets.

>>54662234
A story in three parts makes sense though, just from a structure perspective. Setup, the rifts are discovered, rising action, rifts are closed, more problems arise, climax and conclusion, Jeska sacrifices herself, the Mending occurs.

>>54662325

>storybook artstyle offputting to some players

Jesus fucking Christ, find me a single person who prefers today's hideous plastic cgi to lorwyn block art

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>>54662516
Would be cool to see the weird races (Hag, Hobgoblin, Noggle) of Shadowmoor interact with the Lorwyn version Kithkins and Elves. I also want a Noggle planeswalker!

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>>54662473

> Why is All is Dust an Eldrazi spell, but Inquisition of Kozilek isn't?

I'm tempted to think up modifications for EDH to combat these issues. Cards are made to be "followed as read" over gamewide/official rules, so walls aren't creatures, theme is themed regardless of card/creature type.

I would call this a goblin spell, why not? WotC can't be expected to be perfect, let our powers combine, Eart-, ahem, to make a more perfect game.

I think a cam where Lords are used and all creatures must be of that type, one from each color, no dual+, idk....if WotC mucks with edh too much, we'll lose it.

>>54662504
>no different then what determines a card being instant or sorcery
but that's wrong. Tribal spells are a mechanic based entirely around flavor, and if two spells are flavored as being based on Eldrazi but 1 is a tribal spell and the other isn't it creates a weird disconnect

>>54662631
That disconnect already exists, because they did print tribal, and then stopped.

Tribal is also not just flavor, as there are cards that care about typing, exactly the same with cards already.

Its no differnt then wondering why a creature is a solider vs warrior. Snake vs naga.

>>54662733
>Snake vs naga
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>54662774

I still don't understand why snek wears cloths.

>>54662814
Fasssshion

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>>54662325
>Theros is ranked higher than Alara, Lorwyn, Kamigawa, and both Phyrexias

The only thing I'd care about is if they brought back Elspeth somehow, I don't give a shit about Gideon going back to Theros and beating up Erebos. But FUCK I just want more Tribal sets.

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There doesn't seem to be an ask a judge thread.
If my opponent drops a walker, can I respond with instant speed removal?
Because I know it'll go cast walker, resolves, but can I kill/exile it before it activates it's abilities, or if they die does the ability go away too?

>>54662854
Nope. The active player gets priority first. They can activate one of the walker's abilities. Only then will you get a chance to kill it.

>>54662832
If Elspeth comes back she'd better be tricolored. Abzan or Mardu.

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>>54662829

Hhhuu! You Hissed At Me !!

>>54661975
You know what?

I agree. While I enjoyed BfZ's intense focus on the story conflict and I do want Magic to once again have a "central cast" of characters moving forwards, the set did feel a little too narrow. The lack of characters like Omnath and their involvement did kneecap the idea that the entirety of Zendikar was fighting back. The two-set block structure sucked and I'm glad to see it go.

But you really didn't like any of it? Gideon leading 10,000 screaming warriors into the valley to reclaim Sea Gate, or Drana and the Guul Draz slaughtering Ulamog's sires did nothing for you?

>>54661862
>muh curbstomp meme

Did you forget that it barely worked and almost killed them in the process, and that it hasn't worked since?

Should mikaeus the unhallowed be banned?

>>54662325
>https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Rabiah_Scale
>Segovia is a plane where everything exists in miniature at about a 1:100 scale
>b..but when you visit there you shrink too
this is retarded

>>54662832
>he doesn't want to see RW Gideon going full Spartacus and beating the shit out of the gods' champions in the pits

Come back when you have taste.

>>54662961

Nah, he's a good card and a combo piece but there are lots of those. His combo is not particularly difficult to interact with nor particularly easy to achieve. It's one of the better combos for sure though

>>54662325
>Many people find it difficult to identify with a setting completely lacking in humans
bullshit we just came from we wuz: the plane

>>54660630
Yisan and Sliver Hivelord

>>54662958
They defeated two titans within a single block in a very unsatisfying way while three Old Wallkers previously had trouble defeating them. While you can't say they wiped with the floor with the Eldrazi that was just bs

>and hasn't worked since
Well, there's only one Eldrazi titan left that we know of and if Jace and his buddies just one-shotted her as well that would have made Eldrazi ever being a threat seem silly

>>54662325
that's a shame, i love the art, style and idea of Lorwyn but I'm relatively new to magic, 2late2draft

>>54663060
I agree that the ending needed more buildup, but you can't write off everything else because of one scene being fudged.

On a side note, I do find it funny that the part everyone complains about is after the Gatewatch fully forms and gets too crowded for the story.

>>54663060
>while three Old Wallkers previously had trouble defeating them

No, three Oldwalkers had trouble containing them. Ugin convinced Sorin and Nahiri that they shouldn't destroy the Eldrazi, because they may be important in some way in the grand scheme of things, but Ugin or Sorin could've wiped them out single-handedly.

>>54662993
>you shrink too
Than how can you tell?

>>54663190
thats what im saying

>>54663116
I know they were not out to destroy the Eldrazi, but I don't think it was ever implied that they could destroy them that easily. They could definitly destroy them, but I don't think that it would have been an easy feat, even for most Oldwalkers

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>>54662993

I....um....I....uhm, hrmm....

>>54663190
You can tell by taking the creatures from there with you, see how the Segovian Leviathan is pretty weak and small in comparison to Leviathans from other planes

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>>54663234

> Small

Blue. Whales.

>>54663202
I think it's been explicitly stated.

>>54662961

This made me think, if you could ban any card from edh due to powerlevel or even your own personal salt (you can be sheldor for a day), what would you ban and why?

Personally, laboratory maniac. It's just such a boring win con when it's so easy to achieve, and it seems like so many edh decks are lab man or bust.

>>54663354
>what would you ban and why?
lab man because its far too easy to win with
and Void Winnower not because its too powerful or anything just because its a mother fucking un-card

>>54663262

Those are 1/100 the size of normal blue whales :^)

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>>54663222
>girl
yeah ok there bud, I've been down this road before you cant fool me

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>>54663479

It's a fish now!

>>54663190

You would definitely notice the weight difference without needing a reference. You would get hyper oxygenated and a little loopy too.

>>54658533
Super competitive EDH ruins the game for me. If you're playing infinite combos or $300 cards you're a cancer to the format.

Went to an LGS that had a casual and competitive split group, and even one of the players in 'casual' didn't get the memo since they had shit like emrakul, manavault, avacyn, sensei's top etc.

The game format was essentially player made to specifically be casual and fun and relatively free of stringent rules but everyone takes it so seriously now unless you can round up a few decent friends to play together.

>>54663549
>Avacyn
>Not casual

Craw Wurm.

>>54663549
This needs to be pasta.

>>54663547

THATS why kitty is funny-cat.

https://youtu.be/1Q-cIM2X-IE

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The other half of my Zada deck arrived in the mail today. It seems like it could be fun, and I'm really looking forward to playing something so different from any of my other decks. What am I in for?

>>54663549

I ban all infinite combos, and if discovered you get to run it's cycle twice. It can make big numbers, or double it, but that's not that different than doubling cube, so...

>>54663618
Zada is very all-in. You're basically playing the EDH equivalent of burn, so you're going to either have a really fast game or lose. It's a lot of fun.

>>54659792
>group slug deck
>"dia de distribuir doces para os amiguinhos, sem favoritismo"
KEK also get a Nekusar up there man, Nek 'n' Nath is the coupling of a lifetime

>>54663354
I would ban every card over 10 dollar.

>>54663732
I'll offer you $10 for your commander.

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>>54662325
Pyrulea when??

>>54663757

Ha, "Fucking Perfect" >: )

>>54663732
So what you're telling me is that your favorite card is $8 or $9. Otherwise, why not cut it off at $5? Why not $20?

This is always the most retarded thing to say, and it's always ridiculously arbitrary.

>>54663818
They'd need to reprint Horizon Canopy.

>>54663850
I know they won't, but they should.

>>54663850
>tfw horizon canopy is more expensive than savannah

Reprint fucking when? It's been three modern masters set and an eternal masters set and still nothing.

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>>54663886
Why, it's already been reprinted, anon!
Don't tell me you forgot? We did this just for the players, of course.

>>54663837
Take your cradle and leave.

>>54663936
Take my dick.

>>54663957
I would rather not.

How much money are you going to waste replacing your basics with the new John Avon full-art "we did something crazy with them we thought about last un set but chickened out" lands?

>>54664042
four dollars and fifty two cents

>>54664042
depends on how good/cheap they are
my favourite basic is like 0.15 bucks

>>54663957
I'll take it for him. London?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/magic-story-podcast-vampires-2017-08-02

1 week till previews finally

D&D group said that the last set is confirmed Grixis Wizards. Is that true?

>>54662124
>Obliterated
Alright, I had a giggle

>>54663354
Protean hulk

>>54664302

Yes, gook runes confirmed this

>>54660630
Marath + Ghave
Wanna bring with me million markers for +1/+1 counters

>>54663549
I would rather play against people that know how to play the game than a bunch of craw worm players that can barely comprehend how the stack works

>>54660630
Kiki- jiki + sidisi, undead vizier

>>54660630

I think yeva nature's herald + patron of the orochi would be cool

>>54662473
I literally just listened to this podcast and that's not quite how Maro portrayed it.

>>54662422
Maro explained that the three biggest things for Tribal card type was as follows. The amount of unintuitiveness to less enfranchised players wasn't worth the minor amount of depth that they add. They had issues literally fitting card types into the card type box. And their was weird card wording required when you need to account for noncreatures: "Return target Zombie card from yournl graveyard to your hand."

I don't agree with the first or last reason but I don't make those decisions.

>>54664705
>>54664705
>>54664705

New thread for you fine folks.

>>54663626
I think that's fair. If someone in my playgroup busts out an infinite combo i generally won't play with them again unless they bring out a different deck. It's just 100% unfun to play against and frankly not that fun to play as, either.

>>54664392
Not really sure what any of that has to do with playing an infinite combo with little or no counterplay but ok. If that's what you find fun then you go for it.

>>54662450
there is a chicken that plays magic.
he never looses.