Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

But where does Iron come from?

So Vulkan would be hot and bitter?

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I don't know if this has been posted here but enjoy

>>54641726
from the blood of course
which makes them khorne worshipers

>>54641722
Can't you have basilisks AND run with Iron Warriors keyword?

>>54641732
No, Vulkan is warm and cozy.

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>genius ancient primarch and his legion outruled by a dimwit dead primarch and his shitty bananas

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>>54641734
There was a complete write up in the last thread

>>54641746
>Genius
>Can't even construct a trap right

>>54641732
Hot and BLACKer

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>>54641755
Don't forget

One thing has been bugging me, since one of the most common homebrews is to make 40k "alternating activation" (Bolt Action 40k, etc).

How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there? I mean, they made close combat a pseudo-alternate system but everything else is still clunky as fuck.

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>iron warriors get shit legion trait
>AND it's just a less useful version of the IF setup
>AND the special stratagem is just IH tactic
>AND their warlord trait is useless except for goddamn cultists
>AND their rules are crappier EC stuff

Lmao, ironlets cucked again.

>>54641726
from honor

>>54641746
>genius
>failed so hard at taking the imperial palace that is cost them the heresy

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>>54641765
Fake news/10

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TFW you play Iron Warriors and your best bud plays Imperial Fists.

Cover was overrated anyway.

>>54641771
Saving it for 9th edition

>>54641791
>friends with a fist
I'll make sure to destroy your hellforge, you are no son of Perturabo

So what's the max negative Night Lords can realistically get on a unit now? -3?

So say, do 3 casualties. Have 2 units within 6" and maybe Raptors or something. So -6 to morale, most things are leadership 7-8. So...average around 2-3 extra casualties after morale?

Eh, not great.

>>54641771
Mainly I think it's about overall game speed in a system with such a high model count. And melee combat does use alternating activation now.

>>54641787
You would have thought that the Iron Cage would be UM v. WE considering one's space Rome and the other is space Spartacus

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Are regular terminators worth it now? They're only 40 points

>>54641734
Well this is fucking wrong already

>>54641765
Don't forget that the Iron Warriors lacked the balls to finish the job.

>The battle should have favoured the treacherous trench-fighters, but the Imperial Fists endured. They countered every ambush and fought their way out of every trap. Rogal Dorn was a colossus who personally turned back attack after attack. Ammunition expended, Brothers fought in half-flooded trenches with combat knives, giving and expecting no quarter. Eventually it became apparent that the Iron Warriors could not finish them. For all their skill and ferocity, the Iron Warriors lacked the faith to make the ultimate sacrifice that victory demanded. While they paused, the Ultramarines intervened; Guilliman had decided that Perturabo's destruction was not worth the loss of Rogal Dorn and had brought his Chapter to drive off the Iron Warriors.

>>54641791
I hope you have tall LOS blocking terrain in your collection.

>>54641799
Friendly reminder that conscripts are still more scared of the commissar's pistol than marines who've spent 10,000 years perfecting the art of being spooky.

>>54641812
Terminators are forever shit

>>54641771
>How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there?

None of their competitors are doing better than them.

>>54641771
>homebrews
99% of them are retarded.
>How come GW still uses strict IGOUGO anyway, after seeing so many competitors out there?
That's like saying MTG is legitimately a competitor to World Series of Poker.

>>54641819
>literally says they weren't finished off because Perty enjoyed Dorns suffering.
>Imperial version of this story claims it's because the IW couldn't kill a bunch of wounded bananas

Uh huh, sure.

>>54641798
Well since FW made it so Warpsmiths / Helwrights cannot repair Hellforged vehicles I am not sure if I even need it anymore.

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>>54641775
Have strenght, Iron Warrior.

>>54641812
Shooting Termies are pretty good for teleport assaults. TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward.

>>54641799
Try to fit Butcher Cannons in for another -2Ld.

And depending if Night Lords must be Markless or not you can grab an Icon of Despair for another -1.

Also depending on new powers, you might be able to build a Witchfire Sorcerer with Warp Gaze + New Power to snipe out Ld boosting characters.

Spawns also reduce by -1

>Overall I find Night Lords one of the most fun new Legion Tactics.

>>54641799
>>54641824

So it's a pretty useless trait :(

>>54641843
>TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward
Land Raider

>>54641838
Wait, when did that happen?

>>54641837
>We could have totally killed them at any time
>WE JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!

Best boy Bob is impartial and knew that they were going to destroy each other.

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>>54641843
Thats why your assault termies are from the best chapter.

>>54641739
You can take a Renegades Battallion which is like 180pts before adding a Basilisk but they wont be Iron Warriors

>>54641853
Don't worry, rumours suggest you can pay 1CP to give one unit the same ability that raven guard and alpha legion have always-on across the whole army.

>>54641843
>TH/SS Termies are strong in melee, but getting them there can be a bit awkward.
>Raven Guard Terminators sneaking up through the Shadows to start the game 9" away.

Is there any reason to spend $60 CAD more on a forgeworld knight instead of just getting a Crusader?

Looking at their forgeworld knights they don't even really look as good as the normal GW knights.

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I'm told the Iron Warriors get 6+ FNP now.
Is this correct?

>>54641859
>I could have trusted my "sons" as I called them despite seeing them only as tools and been open with them about my plans and prevent them from becoming resentful as human beings are wont to do
>I JUST DIDN'T OKAY?!

>>54641843
Deep striking is good, at the very least they'll tank half an army's worth of fire before dying OR actually punch something.


What about thinderfire cannons? Seem kinda fun

>>54641869
Bullshit, Fuck you GW, let me have my god damn basilisks

>>54641858
Latest FW FAQ, models with the Machina Malifica rule cannot be repaired , so basically every Hellforged vehicle afaik.

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Can I make an effective army of Burna Boyz and Tankbustas? When will I get a Promethium Ork Tanker that extends Flamer ranges and auto explodes when it drops to 0 wounds

>>54641812
A thing I've been liking to do is deep strike termies into cover in rapid fire range of their front line, shoot them up, maybe lose 1-2, then teleport them back to my deployment next turn with a homing beacon. It's really fucking disruptive to suddenly have to deal with these terminators in front of them while the rest of my army moves up.

>>54641903
>flamers
>8th
Nah

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>>54641842
Have faith word bearer >>54641882
As a strategem yes

>>54641900
Is there some rule that anything that might be neat or cool for chaos has to be ruined and made unviable so that they get steamrolled by everything? God damn

>>54641882
Only if they spend a command point
>laughingIronHands.jpeg

>>54641717

I wanna remove a head from a model but the glue's being stubborn. Will leaving it outside for an hour or two then tossing it in the freezer overnight help remove the sonuva bitch?

>>54641854
The issue is that assault vehicles no longer exist. So the Termies still have to get out at the start of movement and hoof it there themselves with 5" movement.

>>54641864
The re-rool is indeed nice. Although I'd probably still want shooting Termies in the teleport assult too.

>>54641876
They can do that anyway by teleporting. The RG strat is more useful on Agressors.

>>54641897
I remember old WDs with converted IW Basilisks.
It was a simpler time.

GW confirmed to fucking hate IW so much that they copy and pasted their fucking legion trait from the IF chapter tactic

Sometimes I wonder why I fucking bother with this hobby when the only things GW cares about is giving Marinefags the best and most unique shit.

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What was the Dark Angels big secret again?

>>54641787

Well of course the battle was self destructive, its not like either the IW or IF got any bonuses from cover

Shit was probably like one of those 17th century battles where both sides would just take it in turn blasting each other in the face

>>54641891
They were bad enough that GW buffed them between the index and the codex. I'm still sceptical.

>>54641878
Nope, unless you're fighting a monster mash, in which case the Atropos is funny as hell.

The Styrix is *okay* as the hits like a truck and potentially gets even more shots, and the castigator can fuck up shit with his gear, but generally no.

Styrix is the only worthwhile one, though I love the look of them all. Mageara is just pathetic

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>Fleshmetal Exoskeleton is back with a 2+ and auto-heal per turn for DPs
Fear my erection, for it is iron.

>>54641927
I remember when WD wasn't basically an expensive monthly catalogue of the latest GW products.

>>54641953
You must be old as fuck then

>>54641933
>IW and IF both autists about sieges
>But their special rule should be different to reflect that they're the same shit in different colours.

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>>54641920
Have you tried being friends with it first?

>>54641933
Hi, welcome to 40k, please refer to the receptionist and she will point you to the correct complaints department, Green Cucks, Pointy Cucks, Tranny Cucks.....

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Chadmarines have really gown on me, I'm sort of tempted to pick up the loyalist half of Dark Imperium now

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I lost 7 tons in a month with this one weird trick a Catachan housewife found that the Ecclesiarchy don't want you to know.

>>54641960
It didn't start to shift that way until the mid 90's. Usually the first few pages were HERE'S THE NEW STUFF ISN'T IT COOL and the preceding pages were FUCK YEAH HOBBY

>>54641936
They're super gay.

>>54641852

Thanks anon.

Who rocks Butcher Cannons? FW Dreads only?

>>54641952
Admittedly, that's pretty cool
Chaos Lords and Daemon Princes are great for us now.

>>54641936
But what's the sauce with those double dudes

>>54641953
They show conversions and such all the time since they switched back to monthly from the shitty weekly version. The recurring Blanchistsu feature for example.

>>54641933
It's not hate. Hate implies caring in some way. It's pure and simple laziness/apathy

>>54641832
Didn't X-Wing report better results than 40k recently, or is there more numbers/behind the scenes stuff at play there?

>>54641936
The Rock.

>>54641953
That's litteraly what current WD is.
Conversions, painting tips, batreps, all of it.

>>54641984
Yes

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So last night I made a post debating what I should start with (WE, WB, EC, DE, or orks). Thanks for the replies. If the whole NPC thing is just a tg meme (idk, someone said it to me in the store), then I don't mind it much. I'm pretty sure I don't want to paint a hoard of orks, and I dont think I can afford FW world eaters.
The only thing keeping me from going WB over EC is that I don't know how they'll play yet, and I don't understand the concept of chaos undivided. How do they receive favor? Are some of their dudes all nurgle-ish while others are slaaneshi?
Dark eldar are also still on the table. I just don't know too much about them.

>>54642001
Of course X Wing will do better, normies Fucking love star memes.

Can someone post that cool tutorial on painting Alpha Legion armor with thin layers above a metalic primer ? Saw it a while ago and forget to save it

>>54642010
Just wait for the CSM codex to find its way to the MEGA. Make your legion choice then.

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I have over 8k points of Orks, and no Trukks. Post looted counts as Trukks??

>>54642001
The reports your reffering to is only 3rd party sales in NA (which is a small part of GW sales, while 3rd part sales are the vast majority of xwing sales) and is also a couple years old now.

>>54641988
Indeed, dubsman. I play Thousand Sons mainly so seeing the bonus tzeentch power is pretty nice there.

Yesterday's power had Mark of Slaanesh on it too, I'm willing to bet the marks now just give you a power to use if they're psykers, with maybe Khorne's being an ability.

>>54642001
Better results as in what?

>>54642001
X-Wing had better sales in NA from independent stores. GW does most of it's business through its own stores.
X-Wing also has Star Wars brand power in a time where Star Wars is being heavily marketed for the new movies.

>>54641974
You know, that doesn't look half bad

>>54642010
It is a meme. But anyone who tells you Space Marines aren't favored on the release schedule and in the fluff overall is fucking lying to you.

>>54642039
You kidding? It's just baby carrier 2.0, its far too thin

>>54641903
That helmet on the right one is cute

>>54642039
At least now it doesn't look like the chadnought skipped leg day

FUCKING CAPTCHA STOP CRASHING AND FORCING ME TO RELOAD MY SHIT

>>54641962

Horus heresy was able to pull this off pretty well

>IF get BS 5 with bolter weapons and stubborn when in forts, get proto crusaders and special breachers for defending positions
>IW get immunity to morale from shooting, BS 5 tankhunter Havoks that give -1 to enemy cover saves and terminator squads all with missile launchers
>IF RoWs are about getting super tough infantry or launching coid boarding assaults
>IW RoWs are about using a combined arms force with lots of expendable dudes who storm positions or bombing the hell outta the other guy

These aren't perfect or necessarily play out amazingly on the TT, but they're fluffy and thematic and represent different aspects of the same subset of grinding attritional warfare

>>54641984
Yup.
Looks like any Chaos Dread variant may take a Butcher Cannon weapon

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>>54642050
At least it has some bloody front armour.
But yeah stick an X-NUMBERS label to it and file some edges and it's fucking Tau tech.

>>54642033
Na, vehicles have them too. It has to do something else.

So here's my current plan for my Iron Fists primaris successor chapter, 2000 points

Captain in gravis armor and Armor Indomitus
Power sword Lt with Burning Blade
5 stalker intercessors with GL + power sword
10 bolt rifle intercessors with GL + power sword
10 bolt rifle intercessors with GL + power sword
3 flamer aggressors
5 rapid fire hellblasters
6 assault bolter inceptors
Redemptor with macro plasma, onslaught cannon, 2 storm bolters
Repulsor with TL lascannon, lastalon, onslaught cannon, 2 storm bolters, 2 fragstorms, 2 krakstorms, icarus rocket pod, ironhail heavy stubber

>>54642062
HH is fluffy as fuck but only because it has tons of USR.

GW doesn't want their core products to become bogged down with that shit, and I'm inclined to agree with them.

>>54642087
Imperial Fists, whoops.

>3++r1 Magnus
>2++ Whats'his'name
>4++ Rubrics and Tzaangors

Hot damn.

So... can Kor'sarro Khan no longer ride a bike?

>>54642090
>>54642062
HH is also dead as fuck now

>>54642086
Oh shit really? I didn't remember. Well either way, I can't wait to find out but I gotta wait probably another few months for my own TS codex. Ho hum.

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>>54642087
>Iron Fists
Banana Within, Banana WIthout.

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>>54641734

> TFW Word Bearers Legion trait looks pretty damn useless

I had a feeling they would get shafted, but come on. Being a legion of religious demon-worshiping zealots gives them a mostly inconsequential leadership rule?

>>54642045
Oh I totally figured that out from day 1. That's why I already hate them and won't use them.

>>54642112
Do you mean figuratively (because of 8e hype) or literally? (RIP Alan Bligh)

>>54642123
>"Hi dad, it's me, Perturabo."
>"Who?"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54642121
You and me both. All is dust, brother.

>>54642072
>>54641852

Ok, so -7 to 8ish if you do 3 casualties, hit with a Butcher Cannon and have 2 units (with a spawn) within 6".

Not terrible, then it's pretty much straight dice on how many they lose. That could be pretty devastating on expensive units.

>>54641974

Guy who made that edit here: I might actually try that conversion when I have a little more free cash floating about.

The main thing it fixes is the over-wide stance making the legs look undersized and causing a weird double-shoulder effect with both square and round shoulders. It also makes the reference to the rogue trader dread more obvious.

I will admit it looks less like a boxy-dread, but on the other hand that might be a good thing in a way? Make it look like someone tried to reinvent a Contemptor without any notes, cobbling it together from stuff the modern imperium can make and having to settle for a less elegant look and no shield generator.

>>54641771

Because MagicJuggler, GW is outselling those competitors like 3/1.

>>54642123
>IW just had plain yellow patches on their armour until someone thought they were in IF chapter
NO COLOURS ANY-MORE I WANT THEM TO-Oh shit we've only got half the black paint we need.

>>54641910
Flamers aren't HORRIBLE. That said, basically everything else is a better option outside of trying to fight overwatch.

>>54642058
Use legacy captcha, don't ask, just do it.

>>54641919
Damn I just got really nostalgic looking at that pic. Don't quite know why.

>>54642137
I can see where they were going with it, paring rerolls with dark apostles standing near cultists. The problem I keep experiencing is cultists tend to die in numbers so high that no leadership score is going to keep them on the board.

>>54642184
Between the shit range, the random nature and the cost. You are better of spamming Storm Bolters than trying to make flamers work in anyone that can't move 10"+ on their own.

>>54642109

There's a points cost for it and everything.

>>54642147
Yes, but mostly the former. Which sucks, I actually quite liked it. But now that it's stuck in crappy 7th rules, there's no reason to play it.
Has FW realized they made a grave mistake and back tracked on the whole not switching to 8th thing yet?

>>54642194
I guess you could use the IW warlord trait?

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>>54642193
It's what I'm here for, I'm glad I could help someone.

>>54642195
>Can't move 10" on their own
LaughingFlamersofTzeentch.png

>Plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma plasma

Are we sure the Primarch who returned wasn't actually the lion?

>MoT units get +1 inv' or a straight up 5++

Not bad at all, especially if marks stay a free bonus (which I doubt but hey, let's dream).
Also, 3++ Tzeentch Leviathan ? Yes please.

>>54642201
I'll hold off on that until I see some strategems for Word Bearers. I expect that with a lack luster legion trait they will get some baller strategems and war gear that lend themselves to keeping cultists on the board.

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>>54642233
wtf i love tzeentch now

>>54642233
It's a psyker power

>>54642197
Page number? Didn't see it in the new codex.

>>54641952
Now you'll get a 6+ armor from anything that matters to match your 6+ fnp strategem, gratz

>>54642252
>tfw traitors can't have double grav bombard

suffering.

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>>54642161
Our time will come and it will be magical

>>54642268
We can now. See the latest FW FAQ.

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What should I paint the main body of my Cyclopses? My Guard are Grey/Blue but I don't think a normal grey would work well.

>>54642261
Yhea I know, but given that you play TS at least half of your shit is a psyker anyway.

>>54642268
We can tho.
it was fixed in FAQ

>>54642274
>>54642161
>>54642121
>>54642086
>>54642033

Having MoT just makes you a legal target for the psychic power, just like the Slaanesh one.

>>54642200
I dunno. I think they were caught off-guard by 8th. Considering how much they botched the Imperial Armor updates (Tau Manta had a gun it cannot fire), I don't blame them for wanting to play it safe with their flagship product.

Laugh at the Ironlets.

Laugh.

Also will CSM get objective secured?

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>>54642276
Make it a sombre grey then

Does the hive tyrant kit come with monstrous rending claws, I can't see them in any of the photos, and why is there only one bonesword foot

>>54642233
Chaos Levi has a 5++ vs Ranged for some reason and costs more, 4++ and heals in melee though

>>54642331
According to Spikeybits yes

>>54642109
Use the index entry.

So is the Alpha Legion trait good

>>54642345
>and costs more
Perhaps because it heals for every slain unit??

Relic Contemptor with multi melta, cyclone missile launcher and chainfist, what palm of the hand weapon best supports this?

>>54642365

And has +1 attack.

>>54642365
Just non-overwatch kills in the Fight Phase, there's probably a better spend of 353pts if you want a melee beater

>>54642373
Graviton gun

Hmm, what if the Thousand Son's legion trait is 'each psychic power can be cast two times'.

Not sure they'd do it though, since it only works for match play.

How many units have you slain by crushing them beneath the treads of a Baneblade, fellow guardsmen?

>>54642357
Is that allowed, now that the codex is out?

>>54641936
They actually have the best Primarch, the others just had way better PR teams.

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>>54642411
Not canon.

>>54642402
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>>54642121
Sure hope it's worth it

>>54642433

I can't believe the day finally came when taking Autocannons on a dreadnought was actually a good idea.

>>54642428
You can almost hear the collective fapping noises coming out from GWHQ

>>54642452
Getting enough different psychic powers so that all Sorcerers have something to do each psychic phase would be nice.

>>54642469
Is this sarcasm?

>>54642400
none yet in 8th. but i once crushed Mortarion with a Typhon which was sweet

>>54642346
Please kys and trouble this board no more

>>54642478
>It's wank now that my Legion isn't the best!

>>54642469
>I can't believe the day finally came when taking Autocannons on a dreadnought was actually a good idea.

Rifledreads were pretty popular in 5e.

>>54642319
I think the main issue is that FW thought that people liked HH because it's a legitimately good ruleset, rather than is being popular because it was better than 7th. Now, when a better 40k ruleset has came along, people have dropped HH and gone back to 40k, and FW is left in the dust because they didn't understand what people actually wanted. What's real sad is seeing the people in /hhg/ who try to defend the decision to stay with 7th, or who say that 8th is only drawing people away right now "because it's new"

>>54642228
Indeed. Unless you can move fast by your own means, flamers are utterly useless.

>>54641890

How does this address with the other dude said in any way, shape or form? You aren't shitposting are you?

>>54642493
>implying GW hasn't been fellating the Ultramarines since time immemorial

>>54642493
Every legion was the best at something. Ultramarines just happened to be the best at being the best at everything :^)

>>54642478
Yea, it's not like it hasn't been a part of the lore since 2e with the original Codex Ultramarines that stated flat out that they were the most successful legion, period, and it wasn't until the later Index Astartes that said anything different.

>>54642486
Oh hell yeah, I would also love Ectomancy and Telekinesis back.
I loved the idea of those two disciplines.

>>54642402
Yes, Anon. Anything not in the codex but in the Index, you use the Index.

>>54642487
People around here have short memories, see >>54642478, for example.

The BRRRRT Redemptor Dreadnaut looks pretty fun.
For 202 points, you get the Heavy Onslaught cannon, the Onslaught Cannon and 2 storm bolters. 18 S5 shots per turn, at 2 Rapid 2 S4 because why not.

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>>54641933

I wonder why you bother too. Fuck off Perturabo, you won't be missed.

>>54642526
>tfw this upsets those same people who have being crying that they bought the index for nothing now that the marine codex is released so quickly.

>>54642533
But the gaint oversized plasma cannon is the only thing tempting me to get one. If only the redemptor dread itself wasn't so ugly ...

>>54642487

They were fucking garbage last time around. Most improved dread weapon by a long shot: Doubled rate of fire, doubled damage, and AP4 actually does something.

>>54642533

Don't forget your shitty sky autocannon.

>>54642570
7th edition wasn't the only one, anon.
They were good in 4e-6e, especially in 4e when only DAs got the mortis platform.

>>54642533
That's what? 6 heavy bolter marines?

Not that special. You get a fully kitted out predator for less than that.

>>54642596
>Good in 6th

If they weren't good in 7th they weren't good in 6th kiddo.

>>54642501
Andy Hoare is one of the main FW writers, and it shows. He is the guy that did 3.5 Witch Hunters after all. The HH and 7e FW books were all cool even after relative power levels (Ordnance Tyrant gunlines), but because they were extremely Your Dudes. Stuff like Corsairs being multiple feuding Coteries banded under the will of a maniacal Corsair Prince, who had a character-defining obsession, which would reflect in the army (s)he commanded? That's cool stuff. That's narrative-forging, far more than "Random Warlord Traits hurr".

>>54642486
Getting something that lets aspiring and occult sorcerers do anything at all would be nice.

>>54642526
Cool, thanks.

I've seen a huge surge in people fielding almost entirely mono-slaanesh Daemons with supplementary Noise Marines and Havocs, seriously shredding Horde armies like IG and Ork.

One trick pony or fluke?

>>54642010
Chaos Undivided is in theory worshipping the gods as a pantheon, drawing on all of their strengths without devoting yourself entirely to one ideal.

In the books, any WB that goes a bit too far is seen as damaged and deviating away from the word of Lorgar, which is a major no-no.

In the game, it's unlikely there's going to be anything really undivided-y, so you're better off taking marks and playing to synergies, despite it being mildly fluff breaking.

>>54642660
They've always been midtier as mono. They lack any sort of staying power beyond LoC, which has to run up the board real slow

Do the Custodes or Sisters of Silence have the equivalent of a chapter symbol to paint o their vehicles and shit?

>>54642588
I actively chosen to believe the Icarus Rocket Pod didn't exist. Although it is included in those points, it doesn't contribute to the BRRRT

BRRT Repulsor can dish out more shots, but it is also nearly 300 points. I guess it can move and shoot without penalty which is neat, but god damn it is a big investment for a troop transport.

>see EC + IW traits

So, who want to bet that Word Bearers will get something useless again? Maybe something for summoning, a dead mechanic in 8th in matched play.

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Any ideas on how to convert these into plague marines? I'd like to use them as possessed.

Feels like they just need shoulderpads and a backpack really.

>>54642681
Woops KoS, as you can tell I've switched to mono T

>>54642001
I don't get Xwing. Where's the fun in pre-assembled, pre-painted shit?

Why do the Iron Warriors job so hard in 40k?

Failing to take the Phalanx, getting their fortress planet BTFO by the Fists, and being smacked around by the Ultras in the beginning of Dark Imperium.

>>54642697
StarWars
Thats about it

X-Wing has the same problem I have with warmachine. Both games feel like playing a card game with miniatures. No idea why but that is how it feels to me.

>>54642703


They're a shit legion. You'll notice the legions that are actually competent (world Eaters, Emperor's Children etc) rarely job in the fluff.

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>>54642685
Aquilas out the ass, for SoS you could do the Astra Telepathica symbol which is this or the I with an eye in the middle.

>>54642687
If the reroll morale thing is legit it's honestly a big so what. Oh great I may lose even more cultists from my big 20 blobs, truly this is 10,000 years worth of training.

>>54642693
Shoulderpads are a minor thing. Swap some hands to get the ranged weapons in there instead.

>>54642703
>Why do the Iron Warriors job so hard in 40k?

They're the NPC Rival to the Imperial Fist PC

>>54642619
Yes, oh wise grandmaster, please show us your skilled mathhammer that proves that mortis platforms were not the best anti-air point for point in SM armies until a handful of rule changes made them obsolete.

>>54642679
To be fair, 6th edition CSM codex says on page 13 that each Word Bearer devotes themselves to a single Chaos God.

>Dedicating every new blasphemy to the Ruinous Powers, they each venerate one of the Chaotic pantheon with manic fervour.

>>54642697
Because it's star wars.
X-wing is also not meant for playing by actual dedicated hobbyists, it's meant for people who want to play a star wars table top game. It's why I think it's stupid to compare it to actual wargames, because it's missing such a huge part of all other wargames

>>54641936
Sauce that fine slit anon

>>54641915
Iron may be within, but their Flesh is still weak

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>>54642016

Would I be That guy if I started a primaris marine army but paint them as Alpha legion? I would also want to use tempestus scions as cultists.

I figure that this way I can start one space Marine amry to cover loyalists and heretics.

>>54642570
Rifledreads were a staple in 5e, and doubly so for Grey Knights. They lost their viability in 6e/7e as the game became more about Bikes and Monsters but still had niche use for popping light vehicles at range. I mean, Marines got Grav for everything else...

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>wants to buy HH Audiobooks
>goes to Black Library
>get everything I want proceed to checkout
>they dont accept Paypal in 2017
>Credit Card only
>fucking Americans expect everyone to own a credit card


are there any Black Library Mp4s in the Archives/megas somewhere?

Is leadbelcher spray shit? Not sure if i should use black or leadbelcher for gk basing

>>54642799
Black then the other.

>>54642795
I cringe unbelievably hard whenever I see Primaris traitor marines.

>>54642799
metallic sprays in general. The nozzle clogs really easily.

>>54642750
If I don't see a chaos conversion of this with huge fangs I'll be disappoint

>>54641963

j-jesus christ

>>54642799
Colored GW sprays are pretty good. They aren't true primers so they don't have quite as much tooth, but they give a nice thin coat with good coverage and should work well for most people. Main issue is they're really expensive.

>>54642824
But Primaris are Alpha Legion. The recent book didn't even try to sugar coat it.

>>54642038
Gw does most of its allotted business in NA through Inde retailers, close to 80% of it's brick and mortar sales (clearly this does not include it's online sales which obviously throw it all to hell)

>>54642838
Oh I didn't know that. Could I get a quote please? I haven't read that myself and I'd love to go and tell my 40k playing friends and watch them rage.

>>54642731
might go for that on the rhino and an aquila on the land raider. thanks

>>54642795
I'd say go for it, but I love alpha Legion and I think primaris would look good in AL colors

I have a few I've been tinkering with, filed off the aquilas and I was thinking of using FW heads to distinguish them a little

>>54642798
>not using iTunes
>implying it's not British
>MP4 for audiobooks
>being a poorfag
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

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I'm not sure if I should be excited or scared for these legion previews. On one hand, it will be what decides if I go chaos or not, and will break a tie between 3 legions for me, but on the other hand, it could just ruin them for me.
Do you think word bearers and world eaters will get anything good? And is the EC ability any good? I'm kinda just starting out, so I can't quite gauge how it is

>>54642762
Why did GW not allow WB to have cult troops in Traitor Legions then?

I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that they've been entirely inconsistent. I'd rather the WB have an 'empowered' undivided but, no fun allowed.

>>54642693
Perfect possessed

>>54642859
There's no quote.

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I really like primaris models it might be stockholm syndrome and might make a little force of chadmarine-only.

For a battle-forged army, which chapter seems to be the most appropriate ?
Salamanders'rules looks fine (the +1T relic is always nice). But raven guard too (overall a slow army, the -1 to hit might help).

>>54642920
Ultramarines are literally the best

>>54642845
Except that's wrong, you fucking moron. 41% of all GW sales come from Games workshop and Warhammer stores, and GW doesn't release info on how they break down on each continent. Why are you lying about one of the few things GW actually provides info about?
"Sales by channel
41% (2016: 41%) of sales were made through our own stores, 38% (2016: 38%) of sales were to independent retailers and 21% (2016: 21%) were mail order."
https://19485-presscdn-0-14-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2016-17-Press-statement.pdf

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yo lesbians I have the new white dwarf

How many Biovores are needed to make me look like a WAACfag? I want to field them, but don't want to make my LGS hate me.

>>54642920
>For a battle-forged army, which chapter seems to be the most appropriate ?
Which ever you like the most

>>54641775
Iron Warriors trait is pretty good. I'm happy with it.

>>54642738
>NPC
>PC
what

>>54642920
>Salamanders'rules looks fine (the +1T relic is always nice)

Would that stack with Gravis Armor? And if so would the T7 be of any practical use compared to T6?

>>54642957
Post all new releases

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LADS

Should I keep posting? People don't really seem interested

>>54642957
post the dreadknight thing plz

>>54642983
>Would that stack with Gravis Armor?
yes
>And if so would the T7 be of any practical use compared to T6?
no

>>54643000
Keep posting anon.
Show us the new releases please

>>54642750
Needs more googly eyes.

Post Word Bearers, fluff, rules, whatever

>>54642983

Only differences is T7 would make:
S6 Wound on 5+
S7 Wound on 4+
S12 Wound on 3+

>>54642884
>>54642899
WB will be shit because they have no idea what to do with them. If its not muh fast slaanesh, muh attack khorne, muh rotten toughness nurgle or muh magic tzeentch it will get shit rules.
See also: Changes to possessed. They add a wound, yet thats not why possessed are shit.

>>54641952
No true son of Perturabo would run a DP. Daemons are for spineless cowards. Only blood and iron are worthy of an Iron Warrior!

>>54642964
In a 2k point game I'd say >8-9, they dirt cheap artillery that miss half the time and do a max 3 wounds a shot 1/36th of the time

>>54642693
tobe honest? Backpacks and boltguns/pistols and you're good.

>>54643019
Given plasma tends to be S7 or thereabouts, seems kind of worth it.

>>54642957
>wild new marine strategem appears
they going to post random strategems in WD now?

>>54642983
well since plasma is really popular right now, 7+ is 1/6 of normalshot hits ignored which would normally wound

>>54642867
Black Library is actually based in the US and people outside the States aren't all retarded and own a credit card if they do not need one

>>54642884
The EC ability is good but not as good as people hype it up to be, atleast it isnt useless like the IW one.

What is Poweful is their Shoot-Twice Stratagem on Big Units but its pretty predictable and only used like 1-2 times

But Shooty Armies wouldnt bother charging you anyway, Tyrannids have similar rules on certain Units. It is decent against full on Assault Armies like World-Eaters though as you can chill back and shoot them down with your better shooting and by the time they arrive crippled you get to hit first and finish them off.

I still believe that World-Eaters are the better melee Army in comparison to EC, especially if they get the retarded Traitor-legion trait back where they could almost guarantee a First turn charge. But the rules preview atleast makes me Happy having a EC Army instead of being the drooler legion compared to TS DG and WE

>>54642957
Cool I wonder how the Chaos Boons stratagem will work

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>>54643032
>Perturbo, the deamon, hates deamons, is perturbed.

Checks out.

>>54643000
Combined with the laspistol tease, isn't this basically confirmed now?

>>54642957
now that I think of it does that mean all GK characters only have an aura of 6
>>54643058
probably the same shit as Chapter Master

>>54643059

Mortarion, the immaterial demon, hates the warp and warpcraft

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>>54643055
I wouldn't say 'ignores cover' is useless anon. I know covers not as strong as it was last edition, but that's the main draw of my Noise Marines and it's sure to make GEQ armies sweat.

>>54643059
>Mortarian, the daemon prince, hates magic, is literally made of magic

I wonder if Horus ever realised he fucked up when he noticed the only primarchs who'd followed him into treason were massive idiots and insane psychotics.

>>54643000
Fag this has already been posted, do you really have the new white dwarf or are you posting from Reddit
Post the whole page at a time of new releases

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Why the fuck does this exist

>>54643065
Yes.
NECROMUNDA IS BACK BABY, TIME FOR HOUSE CAWDOR TO PUGE SOME HERETICS!
I really really really hope we get a new redeemer comic with it, and of course arbites.

>>54642523
>wanting the cancer that was invisibility back

no, fuck off.

>>54643051
Yes that's what I thought too.

>>54643094
I think there's a part in one of the books where Horus goes full George Bluth, puts his head in his hands and goes "I've got the worst fucking Primarchs"

>>54643102
POST NEW RELEASES FIRST BUT IN THIS FORMAT FAG

>>54643102
DO NOT WANT

>>54643102
because fuck yeah

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>>54643095
I fucking try you dick

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>>54642859
>>54642912
You sure?

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>>54643103

I really hope they include rules for using Necromunda units in 40k. They'd add some wonderful flavour to the Imperium.

>>54643121
Not quite the same, but in Path of Heaven Horus asks Morty to go chase down the White Scars because he's the only one he can rely on to get it done. Or so he thought.

>>54643102
Hey! You should TOTALLY buy a second Grand Master Voldus, Warden of the Librarius. Don't worry. You can buy Grand Master Voldus, Warden of the Librarius as a stand alone character.

>>54643102
MMMMMM YES, YOUR RAGE MAKES ME STRONGER

>>54643094
>>54643121

>“Strange is it not, that so many I wish beside me stand against me, while at my back are only the flawed and damaged. I am a master of broken monsters… I cannot control them or their sons, and they know it… They all know that this war is no longer something that can be guided, only ridden out. But they never understood me, not truly, and they understand less with each passing second. They doubt. They think that I have lost my way. I can see it in their hearts — the pettiness, the pride, the seeds of ruin driving them on, feeding the tempest. With such creatures must I remake the future!”

From Warmaster

>>54643141
>Marine doesn't have fucked up proportions
>Must be Primaris

>>54643140
Now go to the first page of new releases and go from there

>>54643088
True, I mostly have to play against TS/tzeentch Daemon Armies, 'Nids (units too big for every model to be in cover) and Tank-Guard so I havent really felt the whole Cover thing yet

>>54643170
Read it.

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>>54643140

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>>54641933
What did you expect, brother? We're always the disposable bad guys that get killed when GWs doesn't want the Black Legion to look even more inept. Who do we even have for characters? Shon'tu got set up as a huge BBEG only to get iced by some no name terminator. It's the Cult Legions that bring in the big bucks. People want bird wizards, sex machines, insane gladiators, and cancer marines. People think our battle cry is "The flesh is weak" half the time.

Bitter guys without any of the cool flashy bits of Chaos probably aren't a big seller.

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>>54643011

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Who's this guy again?

>>54643140
>All that dry skin
christ man, go moisturize, the hell is wrong with you.

>>54643162
I like how Horus, even in the darkest depths of the heresy, still wished he had Sanguinius along side him.

>>54643059
I still believe they're going to retcon that.

>>54643206
It's Pikachu.

>>54643180

STOP ASKING FOR RELEASES YOU TWAT WE'VE HAD THEM FOR DAYS

*Cough*

Scans guy, if you could post the Redemptor design article that would be fantastic, I'd love to see exactly what their thought process was for fucking up so catastrophically.

>>54643102
Because idiots wouldn't stop with the Chadmarine memes.

NOW WHO'S SMALL, TALLFAGS!

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>>54643217
>Go Moisturize

>>54643140
Can you post the picture of the grey knights showing off the entire brotherhood or something. Someone said there was a chaplain in the bottom right of the picture. Cheers

>>54642899
I think because being entirely devoted to a single God doesn't necessarily make you fit the mould of what the cult units in the codex are.

Being a huge, favoured, devout Nurgle devotee doesn't make you a Plague Marine, for example. I recall reading somewhere that becoming a Plague Marine is a secret mainly kept within the Black Legion and the Death Guard.

Same with Khorne, you can be devout and axe crazy, but being a Berzerker requires specific surgeries etc.

That's how I see it, really. They have marines devoted to each God (Why they could take marks of Chaos) but don't take those final steps to cross in to true Cult marine status.

In the Word Bearers novels, Dark Disciple and Dark Creed, there's a marine who's very clearly on the path of Khorne, and his Apostle is totally cool with it as long as he doesn't go full Khorne and lose sight of the big picture.

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>>54643217
I CAME ON HERE TO POST THE NEW WHITE DWARF FOR YOU GUYS NOT GET FUCKING BULLIED

>>54643206

A man with such balls of steel that he was confronted by the Warmaster, powered by the Chaos pantheon, and shrugged, lit a cigar and didn't take a backwards step. He is the Saint Pius of our time.

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>>54643140
>taking photos with a phone then uploading it to your computer
>this is real

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>>54643102
I don't even...

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so can mixed armies (not detatchments) use chapter tactics?

like if I have a knight with my iron hands, can the space marines still use their tactics?

I know stratagems are army locked, but are tactics and warlord traits?

>>54643200
Beautiful.

>>54643147
There will be no necromunda rules or units. There will be a necromunda VIDEO GAME that will be released next month.

http://necromunda-underhivewars.com/

>>54643261
No.

>>54643228
NO YOU FUCKING SHITLORD WE HAVE SEEN SOME PRIMARIS BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER STUFF YOU COLOSSAL FAGGOT

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>>54643194

>playing Iron Hands

Roll for Perception

>>54643140
Clip your fing-, fuck. Wash your disgus-, no. Nice sheets.

>>54643242
>Not looking after your skin
>Not looking after your body in general
>having dick cheese on your hands
What are you, gay, is that why you have so much dick on your hands?

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>>54643150
To be fair, the White Scars remain the only legion to leave the Alpha Legion standing with open mouths going "I did not see that coming..."

Morty was an idiot though. The Scars stopped running and stayed next to a single planet and his only thought was 'Finally I can crush them' not 'Why have they stopped?'.

The Scars. Stopped moving.

That should really raise alarms in anyone's head as to what is going on.

>>54643265
As long it is about the same quality or better than the Mordheim one I'm ok

If I can't play Arbites it will be trash automatically.

>>54643217
are you a woman
how do you notice stuff like that

>>54643265

Huh, mite b cool but recent 40k games haven't left me with a lot of faith. That could have a lot of potential though.

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>>54643022
That's a shame then. I really love the WB colour scheme. Guess I'll just either go DE or start AOS instead

>>54643276
I see what you did there

>>54643271
no they can't use them or no they aren't locked?

>>54642724
Warmahordes invented a game term called Skornergy. It's where the game designers try to bludgeon you over the head with "this is synergy, hurr" where X unit gives bonus to Y unit, but the combos actually don't work in-game due to actual game mechanics.

As an example: Unit A gets speed bonus from being near unit B, and unit B gets bonus actions as friendly living units die. However, A is not living so B gets nothing, while both are slow melee-only units, so chasing the buff-combos ironically is a noob trap.

Certain formations in 7th had the same problem. The Demolition Claw in partocular was hilariously better if you ran the Rockgrinders empty, and gave the Acolytes their own transports.

>>54643245
I can see your point. I must admit I haven't read DA in a while, but I thought the Khone aligned marines were seen as 'distasteful' but useful. I don't think you're ever going to become a Dark Apostle by devoting yourself to one god and hoping for the best, great scene where Marduk unleashes daemonettes aside.

>>54643254
>coming to 4chan
>dont want to be bullied
welp theres your problem

>>54643000
Please post the Word Bearers trait. I need to see it confirmed so I can weep.

>>54643147
>being able to run all arbites army and being able to do "GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DREDD" against a night lords chaos lord
Do want, do want.

>>54643294
I just look after myself so i dont have dry and cracked hands, like someone who never has to shake hands with another human being

>>54643254
Then go get some E45 man, its ez pz

>>54643311
Yes.

>>54643321
You can't read it. You need a magnifying glass in real life and even then it's hard.

Same guy from last thread who was asking questions about making a bike riding Chapter from last thread.

So I've taken the idea I had for one Chapter and split the fluff into two that would make them more coherent and less sporadic. The first is the bikers which I'm sticking a pin in for now just because I'm not looking to put that big of a hole in my wallet.

My other idea kind of focuses more on my idea for humanitarian marines. From a game play perspective, I want these guys to be the guys you send in when you need an objective held, if they're defending they are a boulder and everyone else is the poor motherfucker trying to move them. If they're attacking, I want them to get to where they need to be, drop them, and then watch as the enemy scrambles to upheave them. I guess Anti-siege would be the best way to describe it.

Obviously mechanically it won't work so perfectly, but I'm wondering what should I expect to work well for something like that. I'm imagining Dreadnoughts and other tougher units, with a lot of anti-infantry and vehicle destroyers, so maybe Thunder-fire Canons, Whirlwinds, Devastators and things like that. Would something like this be feasible on the table-top either from a tactics of a points perspective? I'm not looking for the best, just something that won't get shit slapped consistently.

As far as fluff goes I see them as either a standing force in a region of space where they basically drew their line in the proverbial sand and told anything that dared to cross it 'good fucking luck', or they go from place to place where threats like the Orks or the Tyrannids are threatening Imperial worlds and act as the dam to protect everyone behind them. I'm on the fence on where they come from, I like the idea of a Loyalist Successor to a Traitor Legion trying to repent, but I'm worried it seems too snowflakey.

>>54643162

Traitors btfo
Everyone wants the Sangy or Lion

I know discussion about a 40k movie has probably been done to death by now, but if there was one, assuming you want to pull interest to 40 from a general audience, do you think it should just be actiony, Space Marines doing Space Marine stuff with the basic trappings of a plot or a more down to Earth, kind of Saving Private Ryan style Imperial Guard focus? Or maybe a drama-thriller involving the inquisition?

>>54643254
COME ON YOU FAGGIT POST WITH YOUR PHONE RATHER THAN UPLOADIBG IT BY THE USB CABLE THATS LARGER THAN YOUR DICK

>>54643321
There is no traits and such shown on the White Dwarf. There's no new releases either, unless you fucking want info on the new codexes, in which there is nothing you haven't already seen. I'm just trying to post the most interesting stuff in this white dwarf but people aren't satisfied enough

>>54643340
interest to 40k*

>>54643328
Look at you with your soft woman hands.

Who gives a fuck if someone has dry hands?

>>54643349
PROOFS

>>54642948
Because perhaps i work in the industry and are given the numbers. stop acting like a child and name calling.

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>>54643329
I hate you so fucking much

>>54643359
t. basement dwelling NEET who sees only his mum

>>54643364
Give proofs or fuck off.

>>54643315
I imagine a lot of Apostles become aligned, but just never make it far. I see Apostles firmly undivided, honouring whichever God behoves them during each situation and thereby serving as an example to the more single God inclined marines of his Host that just as he courts the Four, pays them their due respect and leads them to victory, so to does the host as a whole.

The Apostle is one man serving the four, but the individual marines of the host serve one, but together they serve them all. There's something respectful in that, being Undivided is difficult, especially when you have to go from God to God, kind of allowing your Marines to follow their own inclinations.

>>54643364
>my uncle works for Nintendo that's why you never see him

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>>54643340
Just use Salvation's Reach as the plot. Got your muhreens killing everything, guard dying + heroism, politics and gothic grandeur.

>>54643364
>my uncle works at nintendo and he says your wrong
Fuck off fag

>>54643328

>t. silky handed cubicle dweller who never had a real day of work

>>54643369
GIIIIIRLYMAAAAN

>>54643371
>>54643388
Not that guy.
But you guys are faggots lol

>>54643406
What are you still doing here? The pyramids didn't build themselves.

>>54643275

WE KNOW ALL THE OTHER SHIT TOO DIPSHIT ITS NOT OUR FAULT YOU DON'T SUPLEMENT /40KG/ WITH A DECENT NEWS TRACKER

>>54643359
Women, you calloused troglodyte. Try doing anything to them with that chitinous probe you call a finger and see how hard she has to lie to you that it's pleasurable.

>>54643406
more like
>t. bioscience researcher who has done plenty of conservation volunteering in his life
i just like not being a smelly neet