Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/) Corruption, Fame, St

>>54639855
When will "it's just this one shitposter" meme die?

So, /pfg/, what do we think of the Skullfucks and Shackles applicants so far? Some are rather complete, some are barebones, but there's enough to get started on thinking who's most likely to get in! What's good about each one? What's bad? Who's the cutest? Who is most likely to be memed? Here's the list thus far, in order of posts in the thread.

Raimi, CN Male Tengu Stalker (Privateer)
Edouard Tentare, N Male Undine Avowed (Aspirant, Old One Pact)
Nimiriel Tarime, CG Female Elf Warlord (Privateer)
Mar Wavewielder, CN Male(?) Water Kineticist
Amelia, NG Female Cacaelia Aegis (Aberrant)
Luculeia Valso, CN Female Human Bard (Sea Singer)
Cephaiea, NE Female Cacaelia Brawler (Strangler)
Edda Carpenter, CG Female Half-Elf Occultist
Kresh, TN Female Teifling (Hungerseed) Stalker (Brutal Slayer)
Rekina, CN Female Skinwalker (Seascarred) Ungermaw (Cannibal)

>>54639924
Can I ask what day this is? I might apply, been looking for a game.

>>54639855
Nightwalker has been pretty fucking neato

>>54639980

Unknown! Presumably it will be determined once all the PCs are selected!

>>54640029
Is there like a roll20 link or should we just apply here?

>>54640088

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles Here you go, anon! Apply with someone cute and handsome!

>>54639924
Well, Edda's easily the worst of the bunch just for who her player is. Everyone else is nice, though I feel like the tentacles are a little too meme-pushed. Luculeia seems like a fun character in particularly, and Rekina hits all my fetishes.

Sometimes I feel I should write a book; "Turning Memes into Encounters and Side-Quests"

>>54640146
>though I feel like the tentacles are a little too meme-pushed.
a little?

WTF happened in the last thread? Did 2hu kill a dog or something?

>>54640289
2hu was an utterly obnoxious and insufferable autist.
He got kicked from the discord from that, thread exploded.

>want CMB memery of old Lore Warden
>but AATs and even Bravery is actually pretty useful now

Fug

>>54640239

Yes, just a little bit. I like understatement.

>>54639855
>That OP
REMIND YOURSELF

>>54639855
I use a type of Corruption mechanic in my own game, but the players have managed to avoid most situations where it would be inflicted. Might be time to change that though.

I got a quick question before I have to go to work.

>punishing kick.
>allows a bull rush as an attack, growing in distance as you level up.
>level one kicks five feet away, level ten kicks ten feet away, fifteen feet at level fifteen, and twenty feet at level twenty.

What would happen if I used this as an attack of opportunity? What would happen if I kicked someone in a grapple? Or something huge, like a Russian tank?

Also why doesn't the brutal pugalist gain monk punching?

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>>54641081
It worked this time!

Also am I able to join the discord, so I can bother you guys with more questions?

>>54641119
https://discord.gg/KPKWdyr

>>54641193
Thank you.

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>>54639855

Any good way to play a dragon rider?

>>54642464
Bouncy Body spell.

>>54642464
Pretty sure that cavalier and ranger get a drake rider archetype, but it's kind of terrible.

Maybe leadership? Halfling or gnome might be able to get a medium dragon cohort at least.

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Looking for suggestions/inspiration for my next session's locale. PCs (lv 1-2) have explored mines, haunted house, ruins, forests, swamps, and most recently the sewers under the city.

Only a few hours before the game tonight, any ideas are appreciated.

>>54643441
A revolt breaking out in the city is pretty good for low levels

>>54643441
Cave ruins are a good place to go. I did one short campaign with a few friends, and in the process of a cave-in/floor collapse, discovered a long-lost duergar death camp. They had a lot of fun with dealing with all the ghosts from both the officers and the prisoners within.

>>54643441
A ruined underground city that houses ancient technologies and magical artefacts.

>>54640289
2hu pirated a DSP book's early release, got banned from the Discord for doing it.

>>54642464
Betrothed Dragon Avowed, Draconic Avenger Vigilante, Wyvern Rider archetype for DHB's Cavalier, and the one wyvern rider archetype for the dread homebrew some anon posted a while ago.

>>54639924
I was planning on making a character for it, but now I'm not so sure. I'm not worried about it being a bamboozle, but if there are Starfinder games around the corner I don't want to fill my schedule with other games. It's a shame too, because I already have a couple character ideas I like for S&S, and leaving a character unmade is worse to me than making a character and not having them get picked.

>>54643441
A recently abandoned fort with corpses still somewhat fresh strewn around.

>>54639924
I'm pretty new to /pfg/, but looking at all the applicants and their backstories is really impressive. Everyone is such an awesome writer, it's super humbling!

Legendary Gunslingers playtest up

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10MzQQumu0nksyGWKwmlVZFteXGUICeULHzehQKZWR8c/edit?usp=sharing

>>54647383

What do you like specifically about each backstory, out of curiosity?

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>>54647495
>Clicked the legendary gunslinger link in the table
>Was not disappointed

Good show.

>>54647577
>Joint Mastery: Whenever the legendary gunslinger wields an axe musket, warhammer musket, or other double weapon which is composed of a firearm, if one end of that weapon has an enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls, she can apply that enhancement bonus to both ends of that weapon.


That's rad

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>>54647383
I said it before and I'll say it again, I always find it refreshing to see newcomers to /pfg/.

I hope you can keep that kind of attitude after staying here for a few months. I think everybody feels the quality of an average /pfg/er's app is still better than what you see from most random people from Roll20, but we've also gotten a little snooty about apps. Maybe that's just a sign of fierce competition? Some people have expressed a distaste for what's come to be known as "the app circus" though, and feel it just shits up the threads instead of leading to better apps. APPZ APPZ APPZ certainly can shit up a thread, but I think there's a healthy middle between that and keeping radio silence about games in these threads.

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>>54647495
You know, at first I thought 3/4 BAB was bad, but thinking about how guns work, it really fits them. I'm pretty cool with it now.

I can retrain a feat into something I didn't qualify for at the time I got it but do qualify for now, right? Specifically, if a feat requires a BAB of +15, can my 3/4s BAB PC retrain his 19th level feat (when his BAB was +14) into the other feat at level 20 when he has +15 BAB?

>>54647852
No. You have to retrain into a feat that you could have fit in that level, and you can't retrain into feats if they're part of a feat tree you went through.

>>54647752
Truly, there are few surprises to be had in this compilation of applications. For it is well-known that applications are selected not by quality of prose or verisimilitude, but by the sheer amount of precious hours squandered ponderously promoting ones own creations in the relative safety afforded by the far side of the screen of a computing device. Though, lest we be mistaken, one must recall the myriad of seedy individuals, for whom there is no greater goal than to perform debased and lascivious acts, with those blessed few capable of consistent creation; for they too engage in that all too familiar, yet repulsive and odious, practice. If I were to make an assertion, I would state that the progenitor of this pedestrian work likely enjoys relationships of the... Hellenic persuasion.

>>54647883
You could have saved a lot of keystrokes if you just called us all fags to start with, anon.

>>54647852
>>54647873
"Can I retrain a feat to replace it with a feat I didn’t qualify for at the level I originally gained that feat?

Yes. As long as the new feat is a valid feat for your current character, you can retrain the old feat and replace it with the new feat.

For example, if you are a 3rd-level rogue who took Improved Initiative at 1st level, you can retrain that feat and replace it with Weapon Focus. Even though Weapon Focus has a prerequisite of “base attack bonus +1” (which means you couldn’t take it as a 1st-level rogue), it is a valid feat for your current level (3rd), and is therefore a valid choice for retraining. (Note: Likewise, the fighter class ability to retrain fighter bonus feats does not require you to meet all of the new feat’s prerequisites at the level you originally gained the feat.)"

Source: http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gn#v5748eaic9r9h

Retrain away, friend.

>>54647901
Ctrl+P is only two keystrokes.

>>54647931
>Ctrl+P is only two keystrokes.

What were they printing, Anon?

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>>54647954
You're a clever one and you've metaphorically caught me with my pants down. As is the tradition of my people, I now offer you a gift so that you cannot bind my soul. Please take this .gif and use it well.

I meant Ctrl+V, obviously.

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>mfw Starfinder comes out and people start ripping off sci-fi games wholesale
>mfw discount GLaDOS

As I wrote that I'm telling myself I'm 5 years too late. God am I old.

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>>54648016
Your gif is... acceptable.

Continue with your business, but keep your wits about you, yet your soul still be lost this night!

>>54648025
I'm more worried about the Warkiddies with their Space Marines and Deus Vults and Xenocide. Basically, this song played straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1CQ7Vwz8Eo

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>>54648132
>implying that would be bad
Why must you be such a heretic anon?

Is there any guide or advice for building a Bethrothed Avowed that /pfg/ can give me?

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>>54648201
>Iomedae and not Ragathiel or Aroden
>Emperor
>Female
This is some high tier heresy anon

>>54648220
invest in debuffs, your damage will be ass

Why did DHB have his dragon rider archetype ride a wyvern instead of an actual dragon when dragons are way cooler?

>>54648337
Because dragons are overpowered

>>54648232
To be fair, her arrogance matches ol' Emps better than the other two easily

>>54640102
Boozzle in the making

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>>54647495
Oh cool, someone posted it already. I was gonna get around to it, but had to go grab food. Anyways yeah, playtest is open, made some changes, but overall I really like the direction. And as always, expect some more content to pop up along the way.

>>54648232
Ragathiel has always been an angsty chump and Aroden is dead.

Iomedae is basically Rule 63 Emperor and that's majestic.

Aside from the critical feats, are there any other ways I can make a crit even worse for the enemy?

>>54648232

But anon, what about the first and second Abrogail Thrunes? The Hellknights served under them without much issue.

>>54648232
>>54648663
Hellknights don't even serve the God-Empress, they're Warrior-Monks dedicated to the balance of Law and Order in the Pact Worlds.

Essentia Session 1 happened yesterday
>everyone gathers outside the castle for the big hubbaloo of seeing who is invited to the castle for interviews about joining the ruling council
>Eadric, sleepy spymaster extraordinare, wakes up from his nap in a tree and then fucks off over the castle wall undetected
>Rosalin and Delilah are bullied for being homunculi
>Elder-End the forest nymph(o) mingles, disguised as a human
>Fidda Rostami, overconfident crimelord, walks around to observe everyone without talking much
>Rosalin is so innocent and kind it hurts
>Delilah is so deadpan with everything she says that she might as well be a necromancer
>seriously, this fucking doll gets weird looks and condescension from adults the whole session and every retort is golden
>gates finally open, Fidda, Rosalin, and Delilah are admitted without incident
>Elder-End gets into a pissing contest with the majordomo and is almost kicked out because she was too proud to pull out her invitation when asked
>Fidda talks to the homunculi with so much innuendo that nobody knows what she's even talking about
>Elder-End and Delilah spit fire at each other
>Party is admitted to the banquet hall, Eadric shows up out of nowhere
>Fidda and Eadric have a silent pissing contest the entirety of the feast because Fidda thinks he's an assassin and Eadric is weirded out by her staring
>Rosalin immediately enters the kitchen and bullies the cooks for doing a bad job, takes up the meal prep herself
>Delilah is talked to by more people, continues deadpan savagery
>Elder-End gets into a pissing contest with a rival for the magister position, charms her into submission
>Rosalin leaves the kitchen, talks with Fidda, the seeds of /u/ are planted
>Mayor finally arrives, gives a speech, leaves after telling Fidda that Eadric is not an assassin, Fidda pops a blood vessel
>Elder-End seduces an inventor girl while waiting for the interviews to start

>>54648700
All in all it was intended quality fucking session and Delilah is the most deadpan 5 cha dollgirl ever. The GM was constantly interrupted by how ridiculous she was.

>>54648718
>Rosalin: "Excuse me little lady, but are you here alone?"
>Delilah looks up, staring at Rosalin with those big (vaguely unsettling) eyes of hers, a blank expression on her pale face. "Yes. I am here on my own."
>Rosalin: "I know this is an interesting day, but children shouldn't be alone. It can be dangerous."
>Delilah: "I will be alright. I am not stupid, like many of the people here."

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>>54647495

>Singer’s Quirk (Ex): At 2nd level and every eight levels afterwards, an anthem gunner selects one Intelligence or Wisdom based skill; she may choose to use her Charisma modifier in place of her Intelligence or Wisdom when determining her bonus for that skill.

>This ability alters slinger’s quirk.

How does Charisma-based Perception with a Circlet of Persuasion work?

>>54647752
I've lurked for a long time on /tg/ and /pfg/, but I've never really posted until recently resolving myself to being more active here and the Discord. I've always been the 'admire good writing from afar' type.

>>54647577
I'm really not able to say. I'm very easy to please as a person and I think a lot of the backstories are well written, so I can't really pinpoint exactly what I liked about each one reliably; but I can give small reasons!

Nimiriel is a really cool character to read about. I think an Osirion Desert Elf is something you don't see a lot(at least, I don't), and I love Osirion characters in the first place.

Luculeia is simplistic but made me want to know more about her.

Cephaiea and Cephilia are both really adorable, with an interesting dynamic and backstory between them!

Rekina is super lewd, and although I see her as more of a Lizardfolk over a Skinwalker, I still think the character is cool. Not sure what an Ungermaw is exactly, but it's neat!

I like Sibyl a ton and even though her backstory is pretty fucked, I still like the character a lot, and how she ended up with the crew.

It's lame of me to play favorites, but I like Aillee the most. Maybe it's the 'bird werewolf' thing, but the backstory is really fascinating, and Tian Xia characters are my faves, with Osirions, and the personality of the character seems easy to connect with. c:

>>54648775
It provides a +3.

How? I haven't a fucking clue.

>>54648663
Hellknights recruit from the Xenos, because even a xenos can appreciate law and order. Heck, the iconic image of an SF Hellknight is a Kasatha.
This obviously is verboten in Iomedae's Imperium of forget what happened to Golarion

>>54648775
>it's going to be another "dude exploit lmao" episode

it just WORKS okay

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>>54648375
>>54648464
Implying Bestiary 6 doesn't confirm Ragathiel as the one Emperor.

>>54648816
How does it do this?

Can you counterspell a SLA? This came up last session and we couldn't figure out the answer (the DM decided on the fly you can but we still want to know the answer). If you can point me to where the rules specifically say the answer, I would appreciate it.

>>54648761
>Haeldra the Red: "You know, no offense, but listening to the pair of you converse is like reading an instruction manual on how to make conversation."
>Delilah: (Initially talking to Rosalin) "My breath is unsullied by the foul scent of masticated food and beverage, and as such, I have no need for mints." Delilah begins, sllloooowly turning her head around to look up to the (not that much taller) hatted woman. "I fail to see how offense can be received from your statement. If our conversation is worthy to be placed into an instruction manual, it is obviously superb."
>Haeldra the Red: "Right. Obviously. Because you're following the rules that someone else set up, you must be doing it right."
>Delilah: "Clearly. I am pleased that you understand that fact."
>Haeldra the Red: "So did you happen to read about something called irony in that instruction book of yours, youngling?"
>Delilah: "Yes. Historically, the word 'Irony' gained it's name from an ancient play which involved three characters. Alazon, a man who believed himself better than others, Bomolochus, a man who was dumber than everyone else, and Eiron, a man who utilized sarcasm to put the others in their place."
"I fail to see how ancient plays are relevant to this conversation."
>Haeldra the Red: "That might be the first time I heard someone take the word "Textbook definition" so literally.
>Delilah: "I am pleased to have given you a new insight."

>>54648775
I'd just say it gives a +3, I'm not sure if there's any real complicated interaction that needs to be given.

>>54648823
>Golden Armor and Wings
>Golden Flaming sword
>Sun-baked skin and FABULOUS black hair
>Divine Charisma so good it acts as protection
>Fire so powerful it burns devils

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>>54648789
>>54648812
>>54648848
But how does Charisma-based Perception work?

>jolly' legendary gunslinger blowing DHB's shitty UC gunslinger out of the water
Life is good. Fuck DHB for shitting on this general.

>>54648841
Jesus fuck dude.

I know no one liked your game to begin with, but posting snippets of """""witty""""" dialogue isn't going to sway us.

>>54648859
You are so attractive everything wants to show itself to you.

>>54648859
You believed you saw something so hard it manifests itself into reality.

>>54648859
You're so used to being around people, and dealing with social situations, that you have a knack for picking out subtleties others may miss.

>>54648858
Iomedae has the same stuff, only betterer.

>>54648867
DHB isn't forcing you to use his gunslinger change, anon. Do you have brain damage?

>>54648872
Are you okay, anon? Is there something you need to get off of your chest?

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>>54648859
I mean I could make it SU so I don't have to answer that, not sure what the circlet of persuasion had to do if you were asking a question about that. You're just so pretty that things want to be seen by you.

>>54648959
Yes.

That dialogue isn't funny. Or interesting. Or cute. Please stop posting it.

Or dump your logs in a pastebin and be done with it.

>>54648959
He's just overreacting to someone who's clearly a little too excited for their first session of a campaign they were hyped for.

>>54648859
I have always associated Luck with Charisma. So maybe Charisma-based Perception is Luck-based Perception.

>>54647495
>>54648440
desu my only complaint so far is that, looking at the archetypes, they're all too fun-looking but at the same time some of the variety could be a little nicer for people who want to swap around. Not everyone who wants an Int-slinger wants to also be a spellslinger. I also wish I could stack some of these. A Crossbow Killer+Bullet Wizard or Anthem Gunner would be pretty rad.

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Story time(I know who fucking cares)
>8th level group
>Group went in motherfucking Lurkwood
>Mission was to recover a unicorn horn
>Found the horn attached to a undead unicorn with a Dullahan riding it with other 3 horsemen(Kudos to DM)
>Long epic fight
>Barely managed through, but we were victorious
>Everyone cheering, but we forgot the most basic thing, the fucking scroll of teleport
>Ok we are stuck in a time warped forest
>Start looking for a way out
>The forest looks like fucking Chernobyl in STALKER
>We found a huge anomaly
>Me and Gnoll Alchemist reaction, lets fuck off and try other way
>The rest of the group: Lets go in XDDDDD
>The DM actually asked if they are sure about this
>They keep saying yes
>Me and Gnoll watching 4 people going in
>We contemplate our existance after this
>We either go in or pray that random encounter don't murder us
>Gnoll lose his patience and jump in
>I wait a bit more
>So lonely...
>Jump in
to be continued
Continue next post

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>>54649058
I can understand that, I'll probably be introducing "Intelligent" and "Charismatic" slinger feats like I did for vigilante, and the archetypes aren't going to stop here (already thinking of an animal companion one).

There's a spell I'm trying to remember the name of, please help. I think it's a psychic spell, and probably a high level one. It lets you retreat into your own mind, where you can only take mental actions but time passes much more slowly than in reality. The spell's effect only lasts a short time, a single round IIRC, but from the caster's perspective they have hours of time to think, prepare other spells, or do other mental tasks.

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>>54649125
On one hand I kind of dislike those feats, since they do double duty of introducing a tax for the Vigilante archetypes that NEED IT TO FUNCTION (like Warlock) while also having hilarious unintended, potentially breakable side-effects for other archetypes (Int-based Divine Grace on Noble Soul, none of the feATS WORKING WITH DYNAMIC STRIKER).

On the other hand, it's too early to really judge quite yet, so I'll have to see how it plays out.

>>54649141
I think it was Mental Fortress or Psychic Fortress

>>54649125
Jolly!
Are you on Discord?
can I add you please

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>>54649072
Continuing
>So to be in context some people had to take breaks and I was alone
>DM decided to roll my part since he decided I was alone
>I got myself in dark room with a timer
>My character don't know a fucking lick of Draconic, but he was able to recognize that as numbers due to character logic
>Get myself buffed
>Timer go to 0
>Get in a arena
>Full of alternate reality copies of my character using builds that I used with this DM that I've been playing for almost 12 years (nice touch)
>Cast invisibility to let people murder each other
>DM send that fucking Barbarian of mine that could see invisible fucker and throw a dust of appearance
>Forced to fight
>Barely survive the fight with the barbarian
>Motherfucker critted
>I forgot to dispel the fucking dust and start healing
>Magus version of mine cast dimensional door near me to finish the job
>He missed all the attacks but hit the cast
>12 hp left with rage on
>Kill the Magus
>Remember if I toggle Rage I'm fucking done
>Drink my only light healing wounds pot
>17 hp
>toggle off, 1 HP
>OH SHIT OH FUCK
>For my luck none saw me on the brink
>Cast dispel on dust
>First cast fail
>FFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
>Second cast went through
>Recast invis, start flagellating myself with the fucking healing wand
>60 HP
>Only one guy remains in the arena against me
>Its a fucking a Path of War Warlord Charger with a Lance
>Figure at the worst way about his scent aura
>Fucker manage to avoid my invisible attack
>get distance
>Brace my anus for the worst and that fucking 3x dmg+maneuver
>I'm so dead
>DM rolls
>1
>Everyone lose their shit when they see the number
>I hit my attack
>Finish him with my full attack next round

I fucking survived thank god

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>>54649275
Yeah I am, but I don't really want to post it publicly.

>>54648914
Ragathiel is an Empyreal Lord. He has rules favoring him, making him totally OP.

Iomedae, on the other hand, is a Goddess. Her statblock reads simply "You lose."

>>54648867
I honestly prefer what I've seen from DHB's Gunslinger to the Legendary Version.

>>54649471
I like that the two have a distinctly different feel; DHB's is more an inventor while this one feels more like an agile striker. I prefer the latter myself, but it feels like both could play together in a game with very little overlap.

>>54648867
Jolly's is combat oriented, while DHB's is utility oriented. They are two completely different goals for each

Fuck off and calm your rageboner witchunter

>>54649308
>>54649072
Cool story, and your DM sounds amazing. Treasure that DM of your forever, and bake him a plate of cookies if you can.

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Working on a character for Godslayer, can I get some build advice from people more experienced with mythic than me? How precious are your points of mythic power? At 10th tier you get 23 mythic points per day (barring something giving you more) and a way to regenerate mythic points based on your path capstone. Just the basic abilities you get for being mythic all seem like they'll be eating most of your points, and if you're a spellcaster you can probably expect lots of your points to go to mythic spells. Should I just avoid mythic feats and path abilities that cost mythic points in favor of passive abilities?

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>>54647495
>Dead Shot is still shit
God dammit. I wanted one thing today.

Jolly, if you're reading this, my big gripe with Dead Shot is the way it interacts with your damage numbers, basically it's basically the Vital Strike problem; the vast majority of your damage in a game comes not from adding on more damage dice, but by adding modifiers to your various attacks. 2d6+5 twice will forever and always be better than 4d6+5, meaning that the only time you'll ever use Dead Shot is if you only have one bullet left. This is exactly the same problem vanilla Dead Shot has, and it's BAD.

I'm not sure what the compromise would be here, but this shit doesn't work, and it makes sniping of any sort a pipe dream, in spite of it being such an archetypal style.

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>>54649376
Jolly Jolly! I am unsure if someone asked this previously or not, but how compatible is the Legendary Slinger with the Porphyra archetypes? I ask because I always like the archetype that gives bombs and makes me curse the fact I wasted my time trying to make an Initiator version of the same thing before I found out about it

>>54649376
Well, I'm in the IRC room right now and I'll toss you my info there

>>54649714
I realized I should qualify that with some math.

it gets more egregious the higher in level you go: if you have haste, rapid shot, are level 7, and have a dexterity of 20 (none of this is unreasonable) the difference between a dead shot and a full attack is staggering.

The Dead Shot will deal (assuming you're using a musket and have deadly aim) 4d12+9 damage, not including weapon enchantments and the like. The Full Attack will deal, assuming you hit with every shot, 4d12+36, which is crazy comparatively, and the more bonuses or the more attacks you add on the worse it gets.

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>>54649714
I'd argue it's better now; Deadshot uses class level in place of BAB, so it's effectively vital strike. Also there's the dead shot gun mastery:

"Dead Aim: Whenever the legendary gunslinger uses the dead shot deed, for each successful attack she makes beyond the first, she deals additional damage equal to her Dexterity modifier. A legendary gunslinger must be 8th level or higher to select this mastery."

So now you're getting your dex multiple times. I'd like to think this adds a bit more value to it, as you're only missing enhancement bonus (and other misc bonuses too), but it is a step up in damage.

>>54649715
They won't work together, although I might try to jank some kind of conversion on my blog.

>>54649734
Give me a bit to get on, I'm doing some work at the moment.

Jolly playtest discord cabal when?

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>>54649785
Hm, perhaps I could consider putting in a caveat about rapid shot applying to dead shot.

I hope everyone's love will be requited tonight!

>>54640176
Give us the backpage breakdown

>>54648025
What are you going to play, Anon?

>>54648201
Need the one with meme text.

Actually, it just hit me. Didn't Iomedae lose Humanity's home planet? Wouldn't that make her disqualified from the role?

>>54649824
I know mine is!

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>>54649843
>Wouldn't that make her disqualified from the role?
That's sounds like Heresy to me anon. And that's a Chaotic Evil act that punishable by a trumpeting!

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>>54649792
>>54649819
I'm just glad I've brought the situation to your attention. I also feel the need to point out that allowing Critical Gunner to work with Dead Shot is risky, as the higher your crit threat. The more likely Dead Shot is to become a supercrit, the more broken it gets, as a x4 multiplier applying to lump sum damage is actually an issue, since you can easily achieve ludicrous damage multiplication with that.

Also, how does Critical Gunner interact with Improved Critical? Somehow I doubt it's intended to make guns into the only 15-20/x4 weapon in the game.

>>54649824
NO. I WANT AN UNREQUITED LOVE. AAAAAA.

>>54649604
Friends since school, treasured for many reasons.

>>54649888
Okay, Dead Shot now mentions it works with Rapid Shot.

Also critical gunner reduces the crit mult to x2, so I'm not sure that's going to be an issue unless I've overlooked something. It does change the range, so taking critical gunner with improved critical would get you a 17-20/x2 crit range.

>>54649949
Ah, it seems I managed to miss that it reduced the critical multiplier. I just saw the 19-20 and my brain freaked out. My bad.

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>>54649876
G...good for you...

>>54649894
Are you a masochist? Or do you just get off mocking people?

>>54649876
Who, and who?

If a runeforged weapon says it protects against harmful polymorph effects like Baleful Polymorph or Petrification, that works against Polymorph Any Object even when it's not being used to duplicate Baleful Polymorph, right?

>>54649843
I want to play a meme! Literally, a meme man.

>>54648132
Which do you think will worsen the thread:

People wanting to play discount Spess Muhrines at level 1;

Or folks wanting to play the Pathfinder classes

>>54650077
Yes, so long as its harmful

>>54649998
A little bit of everything but mostly I'm scum.

>>54649981
Hang in there Anon, you'll find someone someday!

>>54650029
>Who?
Just an anon that does some lewd stuff sometimes.
>And who?
The wife just helped me and my boyfriend finish a scene from a lewd game with a minotaur NPC.

>>54650099
Probably people wanting to make everything into weird fetish bullshit.

>>54650095
Play a Vanara Resizer Mageknight named Don Gon

>>54650095
So an Android Envoy?

What are good, futuristic name for websites? We already have Space!Tube, but what about Tumblr and 4chan?

>>54650095
Use the .jpg Avowed

>>54650118
Ah polygamy, I hope you're all well in it!

How do I make a necromancer that just wants to cause a zombie apocalypse without alerting my fellow PCs?

>>54650118
>The wife just
>my boyfriend
>minotaur NPC
Y'know what I think that's funnier if I just never hear an explanation.

>>54650152
Disguise them

>>54650118
>The wife just helped me and my boyfriend
So wait, which of these is in-game and which is out of it?

>>54650119
We can probably just make A sheet for that meme robot from /v/ and call it a day/week/year

>>54650150
All good, thanks! Now just need to get her girlfriend into tabletop...

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>>54649968
I will admit it does make grit regeneration a lot more reliable, although the class in intended to do that. I plan on doing a playtest game or two with it to see if the regeneration is too generous, might have to move saving slinger to an optional ability.

>>54650240
Okay, now it's obvious you're lying. You should have quit at the first post, it was funny when it wasn't just an insult.

>>54650217
RL married. Also have RL boyfriend. Wife has long distance girlfriend too. Boyfriend and I have a thing going with his character from a lewd game I run online and my wife joined in to make a few suggestions on a scene.

>>54650303
That's a lot of balls to keep in the air, Anon. How do you both manage it?

>>54650318
Well the wife and I live together and I see my boyfriend on weekends, sometimes visits during the week, plus texts and discord. Her girlfriend lives out of the country though, so all online there. She did visit for a week once and I just stayed over with boyfriend.

aaaaaa I want to be in a polygamous long-distance relationship!

>>54650231
What would Haydee even be, mechanically?

>>54644574
>>54645250
>>54646823
>>54647225
Thanks for the suggestions! Game got cancelled due to nobody showing up though.

>>54650475
N-nobody?

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>>54650099

Man, I just want to play some fun sci-fi stuff.

>>54650434
Human Half Construct Gunslinger 1?

>>54650514
I love the little Stellaris fox aliens! So adorable, they make the BEST domestic slaves!

>>54650574
I prefer the birds and dark Elf models, personally!

Silicon races WHEN?

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>>54648778
Oh yeah, well wait till I post *my* app It'll be disappointing and probably bad, cause despite having D&D on my radar since 3.5 and owning books and even playing in a few games once or twice, they've all died after like 3 sessions.

Andras "The Bells" Deepwaters, NE Skinwalker (Seascarred) Mystic (gunsmoke mystic) based partly off of Blackbeard (spoopy occult stuffs), partly off of Jhin from league of legends (dat teaser) and partly off of Greymane from heroes

I have sort of an idea of what I want the character to be mechanically, but I'm still trying to figure out his personality.

For anyone who has Elemental Master's Handbook, is it worth buying for kineticist material ?

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I'm bored and I wanna bug you all with homebrew ideas. We all know the Akashic mysteries classes are boring as hell apart from like Vizier, and the Magic of Incarnum classes before them were also rather mediocre apart from Totemist. Daevic is basically natural attack heaven, no one knows what Guru does, and Vizier is a weird black hole of stuff that I do not understand.

If you could replace the original three akashic classes with another two or three or four classes (or just about any number of them, you do you) using the same subsystem and a new list of veils unique to those classes, what would you replace them with? Rajah already exists as an initiator/veilweaver, why not some kind of manifester/veilweaver that shares veils via some kind of collective? A full-BaB striker class that uses weapon groups like a fighter, and gains access to unique veils based off of those weapon groups? Tell me your ideas, /pfg/! I wanna hear them!

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I said I was starting up the machine, so here it is. This is a first look at the Bumbleborn race. No racial feats yet, but there's gonna be expansion on Flight, Stinger and Rage.
https://pastebin.com/ywZVe1yb

>>54650981
>, why not some kind of manifester/veilweaver that shares veils via some kind of collective?
I'm honestly sick of collective based classes at this point and that's just reading the same ground as Rajah.

>>54650981

An elemental veilweaver who taps into more than just physical manifestations of the elements, but also the metaphysical ones; fire bringing both hope and fear, cold bringinging stillness and entropy; earth bringing solidity and stubbornness, etc.

>>54651026
>Rage
>Flight
>Penalty to Will, extra penalty to things which make them attack the party.

This race is just a whole mess of nope.

I do really like how you handled the poison, though!

>>54651028
alright, why not a psionic manifester/veilweaver that shapes their veils onto ENEMIES, rather than themselves, and uses their power points to fuel their essence? Perhaps some kind of twisted, "dark" version of akashic that is used to directly attack an enemy's soul?

>>54651036
That actually sounds really rad! Perhaps not as a full class, but as a more transformative kineticist archetype, in the same style as Gambler?

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>>54651036
This. Dear lord, this.

>>54651036
>>54651098
>alright, why not a psionic manifester/veilweaver that shapes their veils onto ENEMIES, rather than themselves, and uses their power points to fuel their essence?
This still feels far, far too much like treading old ground the Rajah and Highlord covered.

>>54651098
>>54651103

Well, I'm glad people like my idea! I have no idea how to actually work it, though ;I'm actually very unfamiliar with Veilweaving, it's probably the subsystem I've done the least with, by which I mean I read half the book once then didn't go back because other things caught my eye.

>>54648700
I like it.

What sort of male character do you want to see for Skullfucks and Shackles?

>>54651167
One that's really into guro.

>>54650510
Nobody, apart from my girlfriend who was already here. My players are not reliable.

>>54651137
You got any ideas, bud? Completely theoretical psionics/veilweaving class that stands mostly on its own? How do you think it would work?

>>54651140
It would certainly work as a Kineticist archetype, perhaps in the same vein as

>>54651178
>>54650759
literal sexual predator

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>>54650981
For one, I want a proper remake of the Totemist, complete with a revival of the more bestial melds

Then, I want a solid fluff for the system that actully defines what Akasha/Incarnum is properly

Next, I want classes that are built around that concept of invoking magic within you and binding and aving it flow out. Stuff like a Not!Blue Mage (maybe upgrade Totemist to that), a combat class that's built around expelling large amounts of energy from their chakras to create different effects (possily with an effect thats like "breaking" a current eld to either boost it into Plus Ultra, or some other stuff), and a castery shaman dude that's all about allowing a certain kind of theme of meld overtake them, giving them different kinds of bonuses and possibly allowing them to treat certain melds as being related to other chakras. Oh, and a class or archetype that's all about using one's melds to pollute/block other character's chakras

>>54651086
Besides the memes and being afraid of them turning on you, do you think there's anything wrong with them balance-wise?

>>54651178
Who's the one getting torn apart?

>>54650759
I'm the same. I always have elaborate ideas for backstories, but my games never pan out, which is why I was so impressed with the apps on that game. I do love worldbuilding though, which is where I spend most of my effort.

>>54651254
Kawase's character, of course.

>>54651254
I vote Edda! Her player deserves it.

>>54651199
Veilweaving on top of full on Psionic Manifestation feels like too much to be something baked into a class.

>>54651267
Mmm, calamari!

>>54651199
-same vein as gambler, I meant to say

>>54651279
Id treat it like the Rajah to be honest. You have power points and veils, but no essence pool or powers. You spend the power points to get temporary essence to fuel your veils and can burn through them QUICK in order to get power points. That's what I'm trying to get at.

>>54651249
Also, another thing that may or may not be made at some point when I'm done with the Bumbleborn, because I got that idea from working with it:

>Super Saiyan style Barbarian (Or Bloodrager?) archetype
>Multi-stage Rage that increases in power but consumes more rounds
>Requires party members to take damage to activate?
>Punches things very, very hard
>May or may not have a Ki pool or some kind of energy blasting

we DBZ now boyz

>>54651267
>Kawase apping with another smug anime wizard girl.

:thinking:

>>54651306
Nobody ever accused the boy of being creative.

>>54649604
>you will never share a plate of cookies with your DM

Why live?

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Why do people keep running APs?

>>54651381
Because most of them aren't all that bad, if you use them as a basic framework and do a lot of editing to fit your players' desires.

>>54651381
APs are a good way to form a group and let people get to know each other before moving onto other things, and some DMs just don't have their creative juices flowing as much and may want to just run an AP. I know sometimes I get heavy writer's block, but still want to DM, so I run an AP!

>>54651381
I only do because I don't have the time due to work and other obligations to commit to designing a "path" of my own and Sandboxes can be too funky. Though I have been thinking of trying to convert Ptolus.

>>54650759
Motherfucker, I was literally going to apply with a Seascarred Gunsmoke Mystic.

Fuck, what now.

>>54651381
Because I'm not Matthew Mercer.

>>54651381
I wanna FUCK that devil

>>54651381
They're usually quick, dirty, and easy to use

>>54651461
>>54651463

Like that devil

>>54651461
You'll have to hold out for a non-AP game

>>54651381
As someone playing an AP as well as a homebrew campaign, I can say that both options have their benefits and downsides, most of them coming from the same kinds of arguments you'll find pretty much anywhere you'll find when it comes to debates between something that is heavily structured VS one that is not.

The one WITH the structure has a sense of security and built into the campaign, you know that unless the GM has taken heavy liberties with the material most, if not all, of the material present is there for a reason and can be dug into deeper, and has been playtested already to make sure it works for most parties.

The one WITHOUT the structure has more of a sense of freedom, not only for the players but also for the GM. Not only does this allow for more putzing around when the players want to go on a self-made sidequest, it also allows the GM to secretly change the nature of the campaign if he feels like the way it was originally meant to go isn't where it should go anymore given the nature of his party.

>>54651468
I will admit that her hips and the way the piercings accentuate her pelvic basin do give me a quite passionate desire to fornicate with her and ejaculate into her womb until the seed flows out all while I'm massaging her abdomen

>>54651521
fuck off namefag

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>>54651381
They're an easy set of rails that players know are there, and are often willing to stay on because "well, it's the point of the AP". Personally, APs should serve as a skeleton with which to build something fun and unique from, altering to the group's needs while keeping the same general flow. Maybe that pack of 10 advanced shadows is too much for your party of 3, but at the same time perhaps 1 stone golem isn't quite enough. You know that your party would HATE this NPC here as-written, but if you do this and this, they'd love it. Perhaps you just write in an entire sidequest to tie to the plot because it's relevant to the interests of a particular PC. There's a lot you can pull off.

>>54651521
>and has been playtested already to make sure it works for most parties
>implying paizo playtests their APs
>APs that are supposedly supposed to be played start to finish by a party of iconics

>>54651439
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9iGuzy1XzI

>>54651582
Keep in mind that when I say "most parties", I'm covering everything from normies new to Pathfinder to the munchkins you'll sometimes find here. Will the latter group find it easier to get past many of the challenges in these books? Almost definitely unless they've overspecialized, but as long as the noobs have even an inkling of what to do when building their character (and aren't like that guy from a couple weeks ago that couldn't be bothered to do a 5 second Google Search to find out what an Attack action was), they'll most likely get through it after a bit of hassle.

Doesn't mean certain things aren't just obviously BS, my favorite example being the stupidity of what they failed to edit in the port of Giantslayer with those assassins that come out of nowhere and simultaneously coup de grace your entire party while you're asleep in your rooms with no indication that it's going to happen by the RAW of the AP.

>>54651439
Do it anyway, you'll probably smoke >>54650759 and then a celeb like Disk or Slow will app the same thing and you'll be left in the dust.

>>54651461
Keep in mind that her tits seem to magically enhanced.

>>54651461
Those horns are not conducive to oral!

>>54651724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc

>>54651319
it's a Lass

>>54651809
kawase is a shitter who doesn't use quotation marks

>>54651772
They are if you're a lady who doesn't want her to stop.

>>54651882
That seems like a great way to suffocate your partner

Tuv back at it again with the OD/ZS

So when is the party for Iron Gods getting announced?

>>54652255
Never, since it's a bamboozle?

>>54652226
>again
No, his thing was more being a Warlord. He's a Str/Cha man, OD/ZS is more Succula and Slow's thing.

>>54652329
Tuv's OC was a LN OD/ZS, wasn't it?

>>54652226
Has any OD/ZS gotten in? Has any Warder gotten into a game at all?

>>54652360
One got into Pendragon.

>>54652360
Other than Slow? I don't think so.

>>54652341
Not that I know of. I keep seeing him apply with a LN Warlord, Black Thorn Knight, nodachi, Asmodean, the usual silliness.

A warder got into LoBaF

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So, is a Rhomphaia ever worth using?
Also, where in Golarion would one find people using a Rhomphaia or Falx?

>>54652418
Why would you use that when you could be using a greatsword or a N O D A C H I

>>54652418
Yeah man, Rhompaias are cool as heck! That should be enough reason to use one

How do I romance the Tiefling Bloodrager, /tg/?

>>54652477
Which game?

>>54652360
I think one also got into Overlewd. I could be wrong.

>>54652360
A warlord got into Ensoulment, but no Warders.

>>54652477
What kind of tiefling?

>>54652482
Pathfinder?

I want to make a big terrifying dragon absolutely wreck an entire metropolis solo, but I don't know how I should fiddle with it to make action economy work.
I'm considering giving it an extra turn in initiative order for every 10 opponents it has so that it can keep up with the few hundred guards and miscellaneous adventurers who will all be trying to bring it down at once, but I feel like that doesn't really solve the problem.
DR/Magic should be enough for it to tank the city guards' weapons, but during rounds where it doesn't have its fire breath it will have trouble actually having much impact beyond its spells

>>54652535
>>54652535
Imagine Aubrey Plaza from Parks and Rec
She's Abyssal bloodline

>>54652537
Yeah, but...Lazy Throne, Overlewd? LoBaF? I don't remember hearing anything about a tiefling bloodrager unless Onryou decided to retrain.

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>>54652448
Because everyone uses Greatswords and I'm not a shit like Tuvarkz

>>54652454
They are cool, but I'm just worried about making someone with a Rhomphaia who's out of place.

Considering the Thracians were primarily found in the area around Anatolia and the Balkans, would a Kellid from either Ustalav, Sarkosis, Issia, or the River Kingdoms work as someone most likely to have one? Though the problem with the last two is a bit of an overlap with Dueling Sword/Shashka turf

What about that one area of Not! Greece I vaguely? Could it work from there? If so, does that place have any cultural or mercantile connection to the Inner Sea at all?

>>54652560
flyby attack, breath attack, fly out of range until breath is ready. target archers and magic users who might be able to ready actions to hit when you come in.

>>54652562
Have you thought about acting like the human equivalent of an adorable puppy? Worked for Pratt's character.

>>54652560
Here's the problem with your frame of mind, a smart dragon should literally never be on the ground. The only time a dragon should be on the ground is if someone has FORCED it to be on the ground, and if that time comes it's going to be wrecked by whatever survivors are down there, because a dragon on the ground is like a human in a lake full of sharks. There's a possibility that they'll survive, maybe even win! But the turf it's found itself in is the opposite of optimal for it and, in fact, is the turf of its opponent.

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/pfg/ is bad civilization and i will destroy it.

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>>54652629
Bitch please prepare to be assimilated

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>>54652629

Would a bad civilization have hot and hearty soup in fresh-baked breadbowls?

>>54652653
BAD CIVILIZATION

>>54652666
BAD
CIVILIZATION

>>54652666
The trips speak the truth, Breadbowls are the fucking spawn of satan.

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>>54652629
delet this or I shoot shoot

>>54652666
The bread bowls would be stale, not fresh. The stale bread would need to be softened, that's where the soup/stew comes in. Fresh bread wouldn't be wasted this way.

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>>54652751
just you wait i'll be destroying bad civilization soon

>>54652791

You know, batteries charge a lot slower if they get hot.

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>>54652791
No John, you are bad civilization

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Why are cecaelia so popular in that Skull & Shackles game?

Is it because cecaelia are strong (+2 natural armor), and are good both on land and in water?

Is it because cecaelia are cute?

Is it because cecaelia were recently released as a PC race?

Is it because Splatoon 2 was recently released?

>>54652863
And then John was Cheliax

>>54652901
Mostly just because tentacles are phallic.

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>>54652901

>>54652901
All of the above, plus tentacle hentai.

>>54649709
Each point is essentially one act of massive power. Mythic Spellcasting will cost you 1-3 points. In a battle with mythic (or even superlative enemies) you can count on spending at least 3-5 points per combat - unless you're using mythic spells. then you might spend 3-9 easily.

Regenerating mythic points almost never happens as a result of in combat use.

The most useful mythic feats and abilities are passive ones that you COULD spend mythic points on, such as Mythic Power Attack, Mythic Weapon Finesse, Mythic Combat Expertise, Mythic dodgeand other 'penalty negation' or 'boost the shit out of this ability' abilities.

How do folks tend to like their Catfolk? Like Thundercats? Khajit? Miqo'te? "A dude with a straight up lion head"? How about outside of /pfg/ and /pgg/ memes, how do most groups like it?

still find it hilarious people think mythic is more balanced than Path of war

>>54653024
Miqo'te!

>>54653024
Personally, I prefer them to be of the Thundercats variety, but neither me nor any of my group members have played one, so I can't really say

>>54653024
Miqo'te and Mithra.

>>54653039
They're essentially the same thing.

Either one is a way to entirely obviate anything the Gm creates to challenge the players. the difference is that Mythic requires the Gm to use imagination and non-standardized things to counter mythic, while PoW requires the GM to create oppoents with the capacity to one shot party members.

>>54653024
I don't really have a preference, since I don't intend to play one. The entire rest of my party (plus GM) is hung up on khajiit stylings, however, so they usually end up in the campaign. Our current sorcerer is a nin-tailed kitsune

>>54653024

Don't Khajiit run the entire gamut between "an elf if you squint" to "actual housecat" depending on the phases of the moons?

>>54653024
Miqo'te/Mithra. Just catlike enough that it's not just "humans with cat ears", but not so catlike that you've got to go "shit, am I a furry for liking this?"

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>>54653024
I like my catfolk as catgirls (male).

>>54653103
Yes, but I'd assume that the example given is just what they look like in the actual games' rendered graphics rather than what they *can* look like in the lore.

>>54653095
Get better at designing encounters faggot, desu

>>54653103
they can also end up as battle cats the size of kodiak bears.

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>>54653103
Yes but casuals won't know that.

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>>54653062
How would you stat sunc@s and moonc@s in Pathfinder?

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>>54653109
so you're gay.

>>54653138
I'd put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.

>>54653095
>while PoW requires the GM to create oppoents with the capacity to one shot party members.
Or, you k own, just use basic group tactics like swarming and shit. Initiators only get one counter and are still mostly limited to the confines of action economy. And are also usually equally fucked by enemy casters as everyone else is, or higher CAR enemies since they're still massive HP sinks that would require ludicrous amounts of minmaxing to one shot

>>54653138
>Open a new tab
>Go to d20pfsrd.com
>Go to its page for Catfolk

>>54653138
They're even less interesting than catfolk.

Just fucking weebfolk.

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Help me complement and improve my build, /pgg/

I want to be able to use and abuse

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/decoy-ring/
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/rogue-talents/paizo-rogue-talents/fast-getaway-ex/

the only problem is, Rogues are shit. Got any good ideas?

>>54653272
>rogues are shit

Unchained Rogues are amazing.

>>54653284
nah senpai, give me something better.
We're playing Pathfinder - anything without even 3rd level spells is objectively shit.

>>54651306
>smug
>actually someone who can barely look someone in the eye without dropping spaghetti and wants to slep time bunner
Uh-huh.

>>54653284
>lel
investigators and vivisectionist alchemists still exist anon

>>54652901
>+2 natural armor
Nobody's even using the Paizo version.

>>54653284
kek

>>54653181
Bit inexperienced with PoW, but aren't there a few classes/archetypes that let you use a Counter and apply it to every enemy attacking you? Might've been a Warder Archetype..

>>54653181
Pretty much this. The only valid complaint about PoW is that DM has to work harder on encounter design. Initiator's main weakness is action economy so instead of putting a single HP sponge, replace it with multiper fleshier enemies so all the overkill dmg goes to waste

>>54653272
Sad to say, Slayers can't get it. Neither can Investigators.

You'll have to dip 2 levels in URogue or roll a Stalker

>>54653335
No mate, only one counter per attacks. The Zealot (? IRC) letz you take multiple counters but it eats up a lot of combat resource.

we going maximum over-autism now

>>54653299
>anything without even 3rd level spells is objectively shit.

Do you see this, /pgg/?

This is what your vapid elitism and numberwanking has done. 50% of the classes are literally unplayable because they can only stab stuff in the face.

>>54653414
Don't blame /pfg/ blame paizuri for designing encounters assuming your useless sword swingers have a divine AND arcane full-caster to save their ass

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>>54653414
>50% of the classes are literally unplayable because they can only stab stuff in the face.

Literally all classes can stab people in the face. The fact that some classes has face stabbing to be their all-encompassing raison d'etre is what makes them unplayable in a roleplaying game.

>>54653314
Then what ARE they using?

>>54653151
>>54653229
Cry more fag

>>54653414
That's on Paizo, look at CR 3 Shadows and tell me how you're dealing with them using a Rogue or a Fighter.

>>54653456
Kawase's homebrew, I think?

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>Last game fell through, gearing up to run something new and probably short because starfinder is on the horizon
>Someone else in the group is supposedly "preparing" to run a game, so I might not even need to prepare anything of my own
>Despite this, keep reading splatbooks, brainstorming, and collecting/organizing material to use in a custom setting, before even knowing if I'll have players or need to run
>They won't be able to read starfinder on release and it's possible they might not be interested
Is this what insanity feels like? What do I do at this point?

>>54653485
"Run for /pgg/" is the wrong answer, but it's the only one I've got.

>>54653485
where's this picture from

>>54653436
... Isn't that what "teamwork" is called? Building the game so that no one class is able to do it all? And no, white room theorycraft wizards do not fit that mold despite the memes, just because they CAN technically get every spell in their list doesn't mean they will, and by no means does that guarantee their survival or even usefulness in many actual in-game scenarios.

"Oh, if X, Y, or Z, happens I can just teleport away!" Okay, and now that your cowardly face is gone the enemy is taking the opportunity to finish raiding the city. Thanks a lot, hero.

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>>54653024
Miqs and Viera are love and ass, but I love ass, so its just like double+ love

>>54653485
>>54653506
"Find an online game if you can't manage one in meatspace" is a decent response to this kind of situation.

>>54653272
Seems to be best for a sniper build

URogue Sniper 2 / Vivisectionist Alchemist seems to be the best for this.

Ranged Sneak Attack -> Fast Getaway -> Decoy Ring invisibility -> reposition somewhere else -> repeat until everything is dead or until the DM throws the PHB at you.

>>54653414
>>54653299
>>54653272
Is this a false flag? Because this smells like we butthurt paidrone trying to set up a false flag in order to "win" an argument with /pgg/

>>54653284
Bards, Investigators, Inquisitors, Magus', Alchemists etc etc etc etc etc etc all basically do the same thing, except rogues (ninja's too I guess) are the only ones that don't get spellcasting. This makes them bad. They are missing what essentially amounts to a big part of class features.

>>54653517
>white room theorycraft
Oh, it's this shitpost again, O thought it had died out a year or so ago. Thanks for making it clear your just a shitposter who shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>54653517
neck yourself you paidrone
because full-casters are completely independent post level 5 and most independent by level 3. Teamwork doesn't exist when you're a living god at level 13

You know what someone should run?
A by the book AP except for a party of wizards and Arcanists, encouraging them to break the narrative to see how well they do it.
I'd be genuinely curious.

>>54653535
Wait, why UR / Vivi?
Why not just go full Stalker?

>>54653584
They wouldn't break much in the 1st book, and the rest would depend on the AP and the amount of time between books.

Something where there's a lot of time between parts like Kingmaker and Giantslayer? Oh yeah, they'll run roughshod as soon as they get their crafting feats online and start making scrolls and wands.

However, one where you don't have more than a day of downtime between books? Eh, they'll finish it well enough, but they won't derail it too heavily.

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>MFW Ensoulment party just took down an 8th level initiator.
>MFW That got the attention of something far, far scarier

>>54653555
I'm not the other guy, I'm just sick of idiots like you that honestly think things will automatically go your way just because your character shoots some lights out of their hands. As someone who's actually PLAYED several casters, I can say with certainty from my own experience that their so-called "endless" versatility is a meme at best and potentially damaging as a mindset for newcomers at worst.

>>54653578
If you actually believe those first two things you're an actual moron, and anyone who actually TRIES the things that let you "become a living god" from, like, levels 13-16 will just bring the wrath of any sensible GM down on you faster than you can say "fireball". Literally the only thing that makes your memebuilds so powerful is endless time and resources, the hallmarks of whiteroom theorycrafting at its finest. Past that point I can't personally say, but the point at which a 9-th level can cast Wish or Lesser Wish pretty much should be the point at which your party basically becomes like gods, after all technically speaking people like the Empyreal Lords are technically like, what, 15-18th level? Something like that, not counting mythic levels or whatever they have that give them their other abilities.

>>54653710
Aren't they like level 3 what

>>54653735
Fear the power of the sap.

>>54653738
Initiators aren't really normal martials

>>54653711
>As someone who's actually PLAYED several casters, I can say with certainty from my own experience that their so-called "endless" versatility is a meme at bes
Or you could just be shit at playing them, and not know how to actually use simple shit like scrolls and wands. Also, you fail to understand why the caster "versitility is even a thing or why it matters. I take you you probably have never heard of the "cookie jar" metaphor, or your too stupid to understand it.

Now shoo shoo whiteroom-anon. You aren't fooling anyone by saying "it's not me" despite repeating the same phrases and ideas ad naseum. Go back to sucking Buhlman's chode already

>>54653783
They're just as susceptible to most of the same strategies though, expect with the possible ability to increase saves or avoid 1 attack each round

>>54653795
I mean they can also kill three people in one round.

>>54653803
Initiative is the cruelest devil in all of 3.pf

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My player wants to make a character who hunts large monsters but doesn't want to be limited by any specific creature typing (like giants)

Any recommendations for him?

>>54653814
Are you sure it's not a demon or daemon? Perhaps a rakshasa?

>Wizard takes an hour to prepare spells

Can they leave slots open to prepare later?

If they can prepare multiple times a day, does each preparation still take an hour?

Is there a reasonable prep time for single spells? example; 10 min/ spell level/ spell

>>54653836
I hope you don't roleplay with that mouth anon.

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>>54653836
Actually, It's probably an Asura, as it is a cruel yet lawful thing which must be obeyed, born from a tragic cosmic mistake.

>>54653879
yes

unless they have quick prep yes

there's a discovery or a feat that lets you prep in 15 minutes

its basically the asshole way to play a wizard

>>54653879
>Can they leave slots open to prepare later?
Yes

>If they can prepare multiple times a day, does each preparation still take an hour?
Yes

>Is there a reasonable prep time for single spells? example; 10 min/ spell level/ spell
15 minutes for a quarter of your spells, but no less.

>>54653908
>>54653898
>>54653879
Of course, there are options such as feats and I think a PrC that lets you prepare spells in just 1 minute.

Or, my favorite, having "flexible" slots that you can soft prepare with 2 possible spells and finalize at last minute

>>54653932
>and I think a PrC that lets you prepare spells in just 1 minute
That's Arcanist.

>>54653881
Not unless I've got maxed Knowledge (Planes), no.

>>54653832
Third party stuff allowed?

Do any of Golarion's religions have confessions, communion, indulgences, or the other trappings of real-world mainstream religion?

I mean, Iomedae's church looks pretty Christian-esque, but that might just be because of real-world baggage around the idea of crusades and knights.

Any thoughts on this?

>>54653832
I think there are some archetypes, like Titan Mauler Barbarian, that gives you bonuses against enemies that are larger than you. Also some martial Style feats that help with that as well. Like allowing you to avoid their natural reach shenanigans.

Many spells like Reduce Person, Grease, and a few others can also help. Plus being able to fly and use ranged weapons is a big boon. Or you can get a size increasing spell and Kaiju Fight them

>>54653832
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/ArchetypeDisplay.aspx?FixedName=Cavalier%20Disciple%20of%20the%20Pike

>>54653977
As far as I'm aware, nothing set in stone. I mean, you can always pay a Cleric the standard caster fee for an Atonement spell, and I think maaaaaybe Abadar has tithing so that the Church Bank/Architecture Company is funded. Other than that, nothing comes to mind.

All Iomedae has going for her is Much Crusades Deus Cult all the time, so I'm sure she's probably too busy to think about actually running a church

Also, I'd imagine Asmodeus would probably be real big into tithes and (pointless) indulgences.

As for Communions, the closest we get tend to be the deity Obediences

>>54653951
Yep

>>54654028
Abadar clerics won't heal the public unless they pay for it. Generally this means that more of their clientele is affluent or noble because they can afford to pay, and they're smart enough to realise that abadarian's are likely to have open spell slots for healing unlike religions that do heal the masses.

But yeah I think tithing may also be a thing.

Cayden Caylien worshippers also do the whole "brew beer as religious observance and sell it and use it to help spread religion".

Asmodeans have various religious observances too I think

>>54654028
Yeah, that all makes sense. I've just been injecting a lot of pseudo-catholic stuff into Iomedaean faith for a while (swearing by "Dea Invicta," making the "sign of the sword," having a tiefling complain that he can't enter a temple to give confession without feeling his skin start to burn), and I wondered if there was some way smoother than that to expand upon my character's faith.

>>54653977
I made a character who grew up in an abbey dedicated to the worship of Sarenrae and fluffed a bunch of general Christian stuff in since they're the god of healing and redemption.
The only real huge difference is Sarenrae is totally cool with killing bad guys and evil monsters and such.

>>54654124
I guess you can read her Inner Sea God's entry or whatever to get more info, and possibly more details on the other gods.

However, don't get your hopes up. Paizo is not well known for being creative or detailed when it comes to world building

>>54654132
>Sarenrae
>Christian
>Not Islam
Absolutely Haram

>>54654132
The weird thing is that Sarenrae has both heavy Christian influences, but she's also meant to stand in for Islam in a lot of the setting.

>>54654132
>sarenrae

ah yes, the religion of peace.

>>54654132
>>54654154
I mean it's not like Jesus and Mark didn't come to bring the sword.

>>54654154
It's because Jessica Price wants to have her "totally Religion of Peace Matriarchal" Islam stand in in order to gain brownie points with the SJWs without understanding that Islam is actually completely antithetical to everything the SJW movement "claims" to stand for

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Asura are criminally underutilized. Heck, I think the last time they were even somewhat seriously mentioned was for Asura-blooded Tieflings for Lamashtu Rangers/Madman's Moon