Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

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First for the Emperor.

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Andy Hall has written a new short story about Lizardmen, but you have to be a part of Total War access to grab it. Anyone willing to post it here?
https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/891970634435223555

>>54625292
Say, what's this story i read around here that KF's ghal maraz isn't the real thing, but some kind of copy the dwarfs made?

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>>54625261
LFG: Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2e!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84999/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-2e

Disregard the time/date -- those are negotiable. I just had to put something down in order to publicly list it on Roll20.

Welcoming to New Players so long as you have a grasp of Warhammer Fantasy (especially the Empire's tone). I'm confident all of you do.

I'd also love if someone else would GM as the main reason I'm coming to Roll20 and /tg/ is I'm the Forever-GM of my group of real life friends and super tired of it.

I've never been able to play my concept of Jeeves and Wooster (Valet and Noble) in a Medieval/Fantasy setting. Or my crazy radiocaster journalist based on Alex Jones in Call of Cthulhu. All my character concepts lost... like tears... in rain.

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>>54625301

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How would you feel if CA resurrected the concept of the Wheatlands to give an excuse for Kislev to be in the Dark Lands in TWW:III?

>>54625292
Needs the black armor.

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>>54625393

>>54625393
>Yukannadoozat
>You can not do that
So are lizards the same as orcs when it comes to names?

>>54625411
Explain the concept, I've never heard of it.

>When Kislev is getting bullied by Ostland and they're continually refusing even a non-aggression pact from you as you're trying to fight off all the things trying to kill them

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>>54625421

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>>54625411
the wheatfields, anon....

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>>54625447

>>54625440
They are both dumb and asexual so yes.

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>>54625471

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>>54625446
Might as well just post the section. This is from Something Rotten in Kislev.

>>54625471
That reminds me of something that's been bothering me.

>Let's make some Warhammer porn
>Okay, we've got plenty of varieties of sexy elves, some hot humans and vampires, even some room for dryads or basically succubi-
>How about we just have the asexual lizards fucking random jungle girls? We can slap dicks on them and everything.
>What about the people who aren't scalies?
>We can find them a bunch of porn that's decent if you're desperate, but not great.

>>54624978
It can't.

Everqueen legitimacy is by decleration of Isha.

That's like saying Jesus is illegitimate because he interacted with the Tempter in the desert.

The Curse Of Aenarion is merely temptation to go full-retard, or crippling Teclis.

>>54625487
Who are the Khanx?

>>54625520
THE ENEMY WITHIN

GREATEST CAMPAIGN OF ALL TIME

(Something Rotten in Kislev is where it started going downhill. It needs major GM intervention to salvage it. And Part 5 should probably just be scrapped altogether)

>>54625560
>How about Skaven girls!
>The giant bloated rat factories?
>No, like rule 63 Warhammer but only for the Skaven!
>...okay

Also, there is one fic of Alarielle getting raped by a WoC. But oddly ends in crying cuddling instead of murder.

But if you guys want other lewds, just go request them on /aco/. They get a lot of OC.

>>54625487
>island serfs
is that the perfidious albion or the perfidious ulthuan?

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Why is it lore unfriendly for a warband of Fimir being in Norsca? I would imagine they would act as mercenaries in other Chaos Warbands to seek as little favor as possible.

>>54625560
>>Okay, we've got plenty of varieties of sexy elves, some hot humans and vampires
Like every other fantasy world.

>>54625566
So you will always have the worry that the everqueen is a ticking time bomb waiting to go boom

>>54625663
they could be living in cold swamps

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>>54625614
I feel like spamming 'Questing Knight on Waywatcher pls' wouldn't really work out. I'm really just disappointed that a setting with so much variety seems so one-note in what's produced from it. Did people just get bored of humans and elves or something?

>>54625663
They're supposed to be living in swamps and fens in crumbling ruins in the northern and eastern Empire, reclusive and slowly dying out and reluctant to do more than raid for food or slaves.

They've never had any real connection with Norsca, and you know, they're amphibious - the climate must not be good for them. Why else do you think they live in wet swampy places?

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>>54625421
I love this whole initial exchange. The 'discordance' thing especially really sells the idea of lizardmen having an alien culture, but you can see how it might work.

>>54625663
It's not lore-unfriendly per se, they're just not particularly associated with Norsca.

>>54625663
It's not against lore per se, just unusual as there's never been mention of Norscan-Fimir relations prior. The Fimir are in a similar situation as Dragon-Ogres where they're bound to the forces of Chaos but don't really associate with any other race.

>>54625737
Northern empire's climate is basically the same as Norsca

>>54625680
They have that anyway, the disloyal nobles need Tyrion, Finubar, and Alarielle to tell them to shut the fuck up constantly.

>>54625757
Technically it seems like they've bound themselves in pacts to daemons, pacts that a skilled wizard might be able to take advantage of.

>>54625769
>kinda cold and forested place that still has summers
>versus cold frozen hell wrapped in mountains with lots of blizzards and shit

Yeah sure.

>>54625779
Would an high elf noble stoop so low as to hire some dark elf assassins to get rid of tyrion?

>>54625697
People aren't requesting it other than furries.

That's the only problem.

Just go and post once a request for Questing Knight on Waywatcher with an example pic of what both look like per thread, posting to the anchor post each subsequent time.

Any of you wanting to see lewd of something not Skaven or Saurus should do the same.

>>>/aco/1598065

>>54625814
Nordland is the same as Norsca climate-wise. They literally see eachother on opposite sides of the sea of claws

>>54625823
No.

But the Swordmasters and Shadow Warriors spy on the entirety of Elf society and assassinate traitors, so its not likely to succeed since you'd be caught in a sting.

Not to mention that if it were possible it would have already happened.
They already wasted the Manchurian Candidate idea, it won't work again.

>>54625877
What if a high elf noble wants to have a rival noble killed while he's away, like at sea or in the Empire?
Would the swordmasters be able to reach him beyond Ulthuan?

>>54625877
It's not like they're infallible - it'd be risky and unlikely, but if a high elf noble really wanted it they could make it work. Dark Elves have sent over spies and assassins before.

>>54625178
Norsca in Total War has nothing that Chaos Warriors can't already get in real Warhammer except Marauders with different weapons and ice trolls, and even the TWW ice trolls are nothing like the actual Norse snow trolls as described in fluff, just standard chaos trolls.

Dwarfag of /wfbg/ i need to ask, has there been a hold in that one mountain that has the world's only known mine of brynduraz that is now occupied by greenskins?
I sorta want to make the endgame goal for my dwarf to gain permission to lead an expedition there to cleanse it from goblins and build a hold. The first new hold since the time of woes

>>54625663
I just see it as Throgg gettin' charismatic with his monster-army.

>>54625356
Just rpg fluff, ignore it.

>>54625994
Chaos Warriors have Fimir, Skin Wolves, and Ice Wyrms in tabletop? They have Norse Bersererks, and non-chaos warrior Huscarls?

>>54626022
You mean Mount Gunbad? There have been mines in it, but I'm not sure if there's a hold.

>>54625823
Who needs dark elves when you could get some shadow warriors.

That or just spread the word that Tyrion fancies a second trip to the shrine of Asuryan and let someone else organise his unfortunate demise. And make sure nobody fucking dares think anything about it anywhere near Saphery incase Teclis catches wind of it.

>>54626069
The RPG is the last thing we got so no.
I want some details so i can see if it's interesting enough to add it to my headcanon

>>54626095
Yeah that. I don't remember the name. Would it be a believable endgame goal?

>>54625933
How's he going to contact Dark Elves without a network that can be infiltrated?
He's better off hiring a champion to duel.

>>54626022
We don't know enough to say for certain, but most likely if there was an important mine there would be a Hold to be enriched by it.

>>54626101
Shadow Warriors aren't mercs, they act on their own and almost wholly against Dark Elves.

I also doubt they'd care about Tyrion getting the Widowmaker, they're kind of all already there.

So you know how FW did models and rules for Incarnate Elementals (avatars of a Wind summoned by powerful rituals) for Beasts and Fire? What do you think Incarnate Elementals of Light, Shadow, Life, Metal, Heavens, and Death would be like? Could Incarnate Elementals of Dark and High Magic exist?

>>54626143
Gunbad is usually just mentioned in the Time Of Woe as a loss. You can do whatever you want with it.

>>54625356
It'd be hard to fake given Grungni and his lesser god son made it, and Dwarfs are not likely to lie or bullshit.

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>>54624133
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>>54624986

Bumping my own posts as I think that we could get an interesting discussion going regarding core choice in general for WoC and in particular the usage of Forsaken.

To add something new and fresh I can add that I usually field a maximum of two small units of Forsaken, composed of no more than six minis each. The tactic I use for them is to either set them up on a flank or supporting a Warrior unit by having them plough away any trash unit sent to occupy my Warrior-block after which they would ideally serve as flank chargers for any unit that my warriors attack.

>>54626193
>how is he going to contact dark elves
What if he sends an anonymous message to some dwarf mercenaries saying that particular elf killed their great great great great great uncle andwas bragging in a local tavern of how the dwarf begged in his gibberish tongue and pissed himself

>>54626071
Yes, they have fimirs and skin wolves. I forgot about wyrms, but I'm sure some monster can be proxied as one. Norse berserkers are just marauders with MoK. What sets huscarls apart from marauders?

>>54626308
Prolly bonus vs large or armor pen.

>>54626308
Huscarls are listed as "Marauder Champions" and they form their own unit; basically just high tier infantry as far as a Marauder army goes. Frost-Wyrm is a reskinned Chaos Dragon but it's not so good at fighting, rather it has a one or two major slowing debuffs which lock down units.

>>54626274
1) Elves don't know Khazalid, and Dwarfs have eyes for imperfection. They'll know its an Elf writing it.
2) They keep their own Grudges.
3) No Elf will tell a Dwarf what to do.
4) Tyrion is just below Gotrek in that he soloes armies for lulz. Some random Dwarfs won't kill him. Especially since they won't assassinate unless its a Ranger and Rangers focus on actual enemies and treasure, not random cunts.

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Okay, I have a question about the setting of warhammer fantasy as a whole, and that is: What niche do the Greenskins fulfill that the Beastmen do not?
Now I am sure that both races are included in the game because the Greenskins were there first because orcs and goblins are staple fantasy race, and then the Beastmen were added later on, but I just feel like they are too similar in personality as factions.
They are both antagonist factions with "an anarchic, horde of invading barbarians with anti-civilization"-theme, both factions have a caste system based on the various sub-races that make up their ranks (gors/ungors/brays vs. orcs/goblins), they both have shamans as their spell-casters and they worship they evil gods...
The only thing that I see that seperates the factions is that the Greenskins have role as the comic relief, but other than that they seem very similar. What do you others think?

>>54626463
No i mean, not tyrion, but another literally who noble
What if the elf pays a human to write the message for him in his worst calligraphy? He's a noble after all, he doesn't write his own letters

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Guys, maybe i'm being naively optimistic... but do you get a sense that GW may start doing at the very least, original novels/stories for the Old World? Wasn't there a newish Gotrek and Felix story released? Plus the Lizardmen flufff for Total War?

I would be satisifed (partially) if GW would still produce fluff and books for the old world. Especially due to the overall success of Total War...

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>>54626227
Monstrous Arcanum has rules and a picture for the Incarnate Elemental of Death. It's a two-headed dragon with an hourglass held between its heads.

I find the concept of the Incarnate Elementals quite interesting actually, because GW never really formalised the concept of elemental 'daemons' despite them showing up in a few places: Forest Spirits, Kislevite Spirits, Arabyan Djinn and possibly the K'Daai.

>>54626545
Beastmen existed from the beginning alongside Orcs, but you have to remember both have their origins in the game being closer to an RPG where each player has a warband of random minis instead of a single character and you can fight other players as much as be in a "party" with them.

Also remember Orcs were just D&D minis rebranded, Beastmen were Glorantha minis rebranded.

Finally Beastmen are not supposed to be their own army and weren't until 7e, they were options in a unified Daemons/Warriors/Beastmen army. Its like splitting off Goblins or Trolls into their own army, it works poorly.

>>54626574
Still the problem that its insulting and unlikely to work. We saw in Grudge Of Drong that rare and unsavory Dwarfs can retool or misremember a Grudge for gain, but some random lesser being claiming he knows a Grudge you don't is more likely to get that human some brain damage from a beating.

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>>54625373
https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/2423812/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay

>>54626679
They probably will, if TWW2 and WFRP 4e are successes.

I can even see them just doing a new continuity for continued Warhammer. Just not anytime soon.

>>54626698
>https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/2423812/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay
Your link is broken. I get "not authorized"

>>54626679
They should just bring Fantasy back. Smegmar sucks.

>>54626545
Orcs are not anti-civilisation
The difference is that beastmen hate life and everything in it, including themselves. They only live to kill and despoil, make everything beautiful ugly and everything good bad.

Orcs don't have any of that drive. They live life. They love to eat and fight and for them death has little meaning as long as it was a good scrap. Their society is simple but well organised, despite looking chaotic from the outside. Orcs don't hate, at least not more than any other race, their philosophy about things is usually "waste not, want not, unless you're in for a fite, in dat case get krumpin' "

They fill different niches because beastmen are the hidden threat of the wild, the monster that lurk in the woods waiting to snag some lone woodsman or a child that wandered too far from the village.

Orcs are a loud and marauding mob that does what it does because they love it. They are barbarians in for loot and war, nothing else. The don't embody the fear of the wild, but the destruction brought by senseless violence

>>54626735
Whoops, sorry this should work: https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84267/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay

and yea..they *should* bring back fantasy...but they won't. AOS has made them a decent amount of money at this point..

>>54626695
>beastmen weren't an army since 7th

They were, tho. Beasts of chaos, 6th ed

MTO ORDER WHEN

WHEN

ITS BEEN A FUCKING YEAR

WHERE IS THE HEWER GW?

>>54626758
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84267/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay
That link also doesn't work. lol

And AOS is babby's first fantasy universe. Everything is an elemental of some kind and there are no consequences/no complicated world.

Warhammer Fantasy had an intricate tax system for the Empire. Age of Smegmar has "It's Norse Mythology but with Orcs! And Dwarves made of Fire!"

>>54626735
I bet Rountree goes to bed every night stabbing a voodoo doll of the execs who made him inherit the mess that is the transition from Warhammer Fantasy to AoS.

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>>54626545
I feel like Beastmen act as some sort of guerrilla force that always keeps the Old World on edge - they're the ones waiting in the shadows, striking when you least expect it, a shadow just waiting for you to turn around so it can clobber you from behind. They also represent a vile, twisted side of nature that helps put Taal and even the Wood Elves in relief and makes them look less bad. Also they're kind of necessary for Boris Todbringer to be interesting.

Orcs have roughly two layers to them - 'civilized' Orcs and savage Orcs, whereas all beastmen are essentially the same. And they're the anarchic horde focused on nothing but battle, where the danger is in them unifying and posing an actual threat rather than them being a constant threat you have to keep an eye on. A bit more important for Dwarves, but there's always a chance a horde will stream over the mountains and fuck over the Empire. and unlike the beastmen, they don't really align with Chaos, so they can act as a third party in what would otherwise generally be a two-way war between order and chaos (and undead, but we're not talking about them right now).

The biggest problem as far as I see it is that both factions suffer as far as how they can make their characters interesting, since generally they're all so one-note.

>>54626123
I'm willing to guess its so that PC's in the RPG can find the "real" Ghal Maraz.

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IZ GRIMGOR DA BEST BOSS AROUND!? WAAAGH!

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>>54626545
I know what you mean but I think they're more different than a cursory inspection would suggest, at least in character.

Greenskins are humourous yobbos (sound familiar?). They're happy-go-lucky thugs who don't destroy out of hate necessarily, but because they enjoy it. They would quite happily ally with humans temporarily if it gave them a better chance to drink and loot.

Beastmen are not happy-go-lucky. Beastmen are hate incarnate. They're the reason you don't go into the woods. They destroy because they despise civilisation and all its trappings. They are envious of the society that shuns them, of the freedom men have over their own fates.

The Greenskins have it pretty good, in their own way. They live to fight and die, and despite their fundamental cowardly nature, they don't fear death as anything beyond a bit of bad luck.
Beastmen are perhaps to be pitied. Albeit from a safe distance.

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>>54626962
NAHHHH

>>54626983
Ruglud's Armored Orcs hire themselves out to humans if they're given the opportunity for food, drink, and fighting. They operate in the Border Princes and the Empire.

Always thought there was potential for these guys in the End Times/Endhammer.

Did Gotrek and Felix ever meet Karl Franz?

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>>54626983

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>>54625487
This story really reminds me of Halo's Covenant, particularly the opening cutscenes of Halo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc7ivjUmT2w

>>54625584
I think it's a term for lesser races, but I'm not certain.

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>>54626962
Azhag's da best, even if he's a bit weird in da head.

>>54626545
Aside from being an excuse for a different miniature range, beastmen are the dark fate of humanity should they succumb to chaos. They're much like all the "evil" races. They will roll in and wholesale slaughter and pillage everything in their path. What makes them different is the aesthetic and the theme. While a man will never be a goblin or an orc, he's only a few mutations and goat fucking away from being a beastman. They are humanities dark reflection if they succumb to chaos, the thing every man not mighty enough to become a chaos warrior will eventually turn to, a slave to violence and destruction more at home naked and rolling in the mud than farming some crops and raising a family.

>>54627047
I think there's an assumption that the Empire views Orcs in the same way as the Imperium views Orks. But in fantasy there isn't quite the same state-mandated xenophobia towards other races, just towards Chaos.

That said, most Imperials still hate greenskins because they are traditional enemies. It's just not heresy to deal with them.

>>54626962
DATZ NOT GROBSPIT

>>54627161
The Empire just wants to survive. If they can pay off THESE Orcs to fight THOSE Orcs, that's good news.

>>54627058
Yeah, in early continuity where he was weak but a good statesman.
>>54627161
The Imperium is strictly controlled whereas the Empire is a very loose confederation. Orcs are Sigmar's first enemy, but Witch Hunters don't bother with them as long as they aren't constructing idols out of shit and Sigmar statues.

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>>54626962
Yes, cuz Malekith said so and he's a pretty trustworthy guy.

recommended reading to learn what life in the chaos wastes is like?

>Quote by Mannfred about 'this land is my home, my birthright'

How can he claim that when he's not native to Sylvania, and was one of Vlad's earliest vampire kin?

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>>54627399
Liber Chaotica

>>54627452
Mannfred is Sylvanian, almost all Von Carsteins are. Vlad is the only foreigner.

That's why they're such cunts. The same rivalries and bloodline disputes in life continued.

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>>54627452
Didn't Vlad inheret Sylvania by marrying Isabella, who was the heriess? And if Mannfred is sired by Vlad, then wouldn't that make Mannfred Vlad's heir?

>>54627265
I don't know why, but this just makes me giggle nonstop.

>>54627522
Vlad sired every single Von Carstein. He required a review to decide which nobles to spare by making Vampires, and he didn't leave any alive after his big Halloween party.

After his first fake death he had to kill an uppity fuck who declared himself leader, and after his real death there was a massive power struggle with most Von Carsteins just going back home and pretending to be alive.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Von_Carstein

>>54627522
Quite the cool lookin court.

>>54627522
I don't think the imperial heralds would agree with the concept of inheritance by Blood Kiss.

>>54627522
Mannfred was one of the remaining heirs.

But fuck Mannfred, he's a faggot - give me Vlad anyday.

>>54626962
IM GRIMGOR!!!

I need Warhammer songs for ambience!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwnBOac-RE

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>>54627617
pft, if you call that court... THIS is a court

>>54627782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcBOvOuhoY

>>54627797
That guy with all those axes looks too badass for the rest of them...

>>54627797
THAT HELMET WRACK! THAT CANDLE-HAT! THAT DAMSEL!

>>54627782
Do you want any songs that are warhammery, or actual warhammer songs?
If the former, the Witcher 3 soundtrack is magnificent.

I think the defining feature of a good ambient piece of warhammer music is the discordant string instruments. For example:
https://youtu.be/ExQQxv1D1ns

>>54627522
I'd love it if the von Carsteins were sort of Addams family like, with Vlad and Isabella as the loving parents with all their semi retarded children (and Konrad - who's certifiably fucking bonkers)

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>>54627935
Isn't that how the vampire counts operate in general, impsing their will over zombies and skellies, necromancers, ghouls and what have you?

>>54627973
I meant in their relations to one another

>>54627522
>>54627973
>>54627935
Aside from siring Mannlett and Konrad, did Vlad do anything wrong? Even the latter is debatable, since Konrad was pretty entertaining.
>Wimp Lo edit with Konrad when

>>54627984
Eh, between mafia and Machiavelli.

So yeah, Addams.

https://youtu.be/M6Kq3mu9734

>>54628166
Deciding to lead an army from the front after finding out his get out of death free card was gone, then deciding to enter into solo combat with a pope atop a city wall by himself.

Being so open about his ring being his power, and letting himself be accessible during his daytime nap.

Not making Isabella promise to finish his work then revive him as a contingency.

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>>54628194
Man, now I just want to imagine that the vampire counts have grand musicals and theatrics every midnight when they aren't terrorizing the living.

>>54627797
>This is a serious situation indeed. Axelord, how are the kingdom's axes?
>Sharp.
>And Sir Candlehead? Will we have enough light to see the enemy with?
>Of course, sir.
>I think we should stab them when they aren't looking!
>Not now, Lady Daggerbodice! Not without consulting Master Scrollarmor!

>>54628494
Haha, the funny (sad) thing is, I knew each of the ones you were talking about, without looking back at the picture!

Yea the design of the lords and ladies is ...unique in this pic...really shows the extragvagence of Breton lords and ladies

>>54628334
Look at that swag

>>54627606
Malekith in the end times (don't know of he,s the same in the sundering series) is comedy gold, he keeps on being wisecracking even when he's in danger (calling finubar a cuck to his face, telling Tyrion he's weak even when Tyrion was about to execute him, demanding Teclis bow even as the isle of the flame was collapsing).

Hope he isn't just a grim asshole in total war

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>>54627458
Man, that looks so much better in black and white.

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>>54629647
I respectfully disagree.
Antics belong in AoS, best Malekith is Elf Darth Vader.

Sneering charcoal, icy presence, glowing eyes, speaking rarely but with purpose.

An actual villain, not what GW thinks villainy is.

>>54630023
Malekith was never Darth Vader. He was always a cunt.
End Times just stepped it up and turned him into an australian shitposter.

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>>54630111
Darth Vader is clearly a Champion of Chaos, anyway.

>>54630247
Get your filthy rebel propaganda out of here.
Vader fights for the Empire which is Order. Rebels are Chaos scum.

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>>54630282

Found a new picture of Brunner the Bounty Hunter... >.>

>>54630023
In the other elf books he's more like a classic villain. He's really interesting because they make a point of noting that while he's totally ruthless and cold - he's also meritocratic and rewards competency.

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>>54630282
Well, there's one Empire of Order i can get behind, but they dress a little differently...

>>54630247
I kinda wish there was a Champion of Chaos based on this concept, now.

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1.) How is Age of Shitmar doing currently?

2.) How likely is GW to revisit Fantasy?

>>54630351
1)Overshadowed by 40k
2)Unlikely.

>>54630348
Archaon

>>54630351
They claim it is alive but there hasn't been a real release in ages so it is dying.

Hopefully they will seeing as AoS is in the shitter

>>54630351
>How is Age of Shitmar doing currently?
We don't know.
GW is doing extremely well, but then again they added a lot of new armies to 40k and a new edition, specialist games, and vidya that are doing extremely well.

>How likely is GW to revisit Fantasy?
Already happening. Since Total War: Warhammer did so well they gave CA license to write new continuity and units rather than strictly adhere to existing, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay is getting a new edition.

The tabletop wargame is unlikely anytime soon however.

>>54625356
>>54626069
>>54626123

It's also stated in Warhammer World.

Basically in old Warhammer lore when Sigmar left the Empire his first stop was to return Ghal Maraz to the Dwarfs. The hammer was a gift to him - not to all humans, so Sigmar respected that by returning it. Sigmar understood how dwarfs think.

Anyway, fast forward a few years and the dwarfs and empire are making gifts of friendship. The dwarfs gift them with 'A Hammer Named Skullbreaker (Ghal-Maraz)'.

The problems are:
1. They never say this was Sigmar's hammer. Silly anons will cry and say dwarfs aren't underhanded lkke that, but they have never made a deal with a dwarf - they openly state that it was simply a hammer named Ghal Maraz.

2. Whilst that Hammer is still top notch, it isn't 'Sigmar wrecking armies' top notch. Some of the attributes attributed to the hammer are no longer present. You can debate that some of the power - or even most - really came from Sigmar himself.

That is basically the root of the theory. Again the biggest argument is the letter on the wall at Warhammer World.

>>54630662
you do realize that sigmar was based off conan the barbarian and one of the key themes of the movie was that it was the warrior that makes the weapon, not the weapon that makes the warrior.

Is WHFRP good?

>>54630688
> You can debate that some of the power - or even most - really came from Sigmar himself.

Yeah, pretty sure I covered that point. Or are you suggesting the hammer wasn't magical before Mortal Sigmar got it?

>>54630917
You mean WFRP, and yeah - if you enjoy more lethal games with a Warhammer air. General concensus is 2ed is the way to go if you feel like playing.

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>>54630917
It's fantastic, if only for the ability to dick around in the Warhammer setting! You should join our game!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84999/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-2e

>>54626698
>>54626758
As the other anon said, both the links are down, even though I can somehow bring the application thread up from my history and refresh it with no problem.

I'm (GamingHavok/Last Assassin) still interested.

Speaking of WFRP2e, when you go into a new career, the secondary characteristics stack unlike the primary characteristics, right? Like a soldier that goes into veteran can have a total of 3 attacks?

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>>54630662
It's worth noting that: (spoilers for the Enemy Within)
In Empire in Flames, the player characters are tasked with retrieving Sigmar's Hammer. Apparently he was on his way to Karaz a Karak when he found some dwarfs that needed his help with a daemon. The daemon fled through a portal into the warp and Sigmar followed, leaving Ghal Maraz behind. When Sigmar didn't return, the dwarfs sealed up the hold.
Also, the original Ghal Maraz was supposedly forged by the Ancestor Gods.

In any case, I figure it doesn't exactly matter if Ghal Maraz is a fake. As far as the Empire and the Cult of Sigmar is concerned, that is the real hammer, and as such it has a whole nation's power of belief behind it. It probably manifests the power everyone thinks it has just by virtue of faith.

>>54627513
In the End Times it was revealed that Mannfred was from Nehekhara.

Is every 2e book really in the linked trove?

>>54631284
No, it works the same as the primary characteristics.
Otherwise the average Champion would be running round with seven attacks or more.

>>54631397
Everything but the Character Folio
>tfw you had a nice editable version of it, and accidentally deleted it like an idiot, while re-sorting some old files
If anyone has an editable copy, I would be very grateful.

>>54625487
>I will summon Krog-Gar and send him across the World Pond
Kroq-Gar confirmed for being in the Southlands!

>>54631327

>It probably manifests the power everyone thinks it has just by virtue of faith.

An interesting theory. Are there any other examples of that in lore? I mean, at worse you could just say it was a miracle and Sigmar turned it into the legit thing.

The whole fascination AoS has with the hammer just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

>>54631402
I'm sorry, can you explain that in more detail? I'm a noob.

>>54631892
>he whole fascination AoS has with the hammer just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

What doesn't make sense about it?
It's a weapon from essentially beyond the beginning of time, the personal armament of the most powerful god of the mortal pantheon and has absorbed a lot of magic travelling through space.

>>54630598
This. Ever since miniature games became too expensive of a hobby for me this is the best it's felt to be a WHF fan in a long time.

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>>54631892
>Are there any other examples of that in lore?
Pic related spells it out fairly explicitly. I believe the general principles are discussed in the Realms of Chaos books and probably in Liber Chaotica too.

>>54631976
Both the primary characteristics and the secondary characteristics in the career are maximums rather than increases. So a Soldier takes an advance to get 2 attacks (base 1, +1 from the career). He then becomes a Veteran, but since he already has +1 attack and the career gives +1, he can't take any more advances. The Veteran then becomes a Champion. Since Champion has +2 attacks, he takes an advance to gain another attack and now has 3 attacks (1 base, +2 that he bought from careers).

>>54631998
None of that makes sense.

Any weapon brought through would be older than time, Chaoscucks go on about how all the gods are just manifestations of chaos...

Eh, seems like Arch has hangups.

>>54632217

Can a magical weapon become MORE magical through circumstance? I thought there was a hard limit to how much magic an item could contain?

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>>54625697
>I feel like spamming 'Questing Knight on Waywatcher pls'

That was literally a background detail in a WFRP game I ran, a semi-popular play running the playhouse circuit in the Empire. Basically a romantic tragedy/drama about a knight and a wood elf waywatcher. Bretonnian knights found it downright offensive and elves found it hysterical. Imperials took it at face value, never having met an Athel Loren elf and most of them only having the vaguest ideas about Bretonnian knights.

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>>54632217
Not that guy, but on that note, I'm about to play a Norsca campaign. Do the characteristic increases from the Were mutation also not stack like a new career doesn't, or does my ulfwerenar marauder already have 3 attacks in ulfwerenar form?

>>54632575
Were stacks, just like the picture states.

Career progressions are an upper cap that you can reach by spending xp. New careers don't stack, but if you unlock a higher progrssion option (going from +10 to +20) you replace it with the higher value - letting you spend more xp to go further up the ladder.

It's all explained pretty clearly in the rulebook.

>>54632575
Were is not an advance scheme, it's a flat bonus as depicted when you're in were form (and only then).

>>54630023
Why not both?

In the curse of Khaine he still has those moments (fucking up a priestess who tried to get him to quit with the classic "you just need love" by telling her that that part of him is long gone) with some hilarity (almost killing Teclis by playing with Hotek's hammer.

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>>54632503
>Can a magical weapon become MORE magical through circumstance? I thought there was a hard limit to how much magic an item could contain?
God knows. I don't think I've ever seen a limit mentioned. Faith doesn't necessarily need to change the item itself though. It could just cause miraculous events focused on the item in question.
Consider the short story at the end of the 6th edition Empire book. Pic related.
It's obvious that incarnating the spirit of Sigmar isn't part of Ghal Maraz' magic - it was created long before Sigmar was born. So the manifestation of Sigmar is either a miracle or an effect of the belief focused on Ghal Maraz.
Although if you believe Liber Chaotica, those are the same thing - all divine power being manifest belief.

>>54632569
What are the usual reactions to banging someone of another race in Warhammer Fantasy?

>>54633027
>limit mentioned

I think the closest we get is the Dwarf Runeweapons and their limit on runic magic.

>divine power being manifest belief.

Is that what the realm of chaos is? Just percolating emotions that eventually leaks back into the world as magic?

>>54633086

There was this one ugly ass motherfucker dwarf slayer who spent half his day attempting suicide by monster and the other half plus night fucking human and halfling wenhes who apparently liked him.

>>54633086
Hard to say. We know it's reasonably common for dwarf men to solicit human women, particularly prostitutes. Gotrek acted with stoic disgust to this fact, though.

The same dwarf that provoked that reaction also apparently fucked a half-elf, which may have borne the larger part of Gotrek's disgust.

>>54632569

>and elves found it hysterical

Which ones, the wood elves themselves of high elves watching their country bumpkin cousins being degenerate?

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Speaking of half-elves, just what is the deal with them? They're apparently so incredibly rare as to almost never be mentioned, but don't seem to die as horrible squid-babies, either. What even would they be like, racially? And who, if anyone, would accept them?

>>54633245
Most lore represents them as mostly humanish with slighter features, easily capable of passing for a human and for no-one - elves included - being any the wiser.

Good example can be found in Gileads Blood, the part that's basically The Magnificent Seven.

>>54633245
They could probably make it in the Empire relatively unscathed if they wore hats a lot -- given that Elves no longer have soulless, black shark eyes like they used to in the art. They'd still look a bit angular and alien, though -- not like the hottie in your picture.

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>>54633086
You have to remember that the Warhammer world has humans who rarely interact with people of other provinces and duchies, let alone other races and nations. The most multiculturalism you'll probably see will be in cities, or in certain parts of the Empire or Bretonnia where other races are more common - Marienburg and L'Anguille see a good few elves, Wissenland and Parravon have a lot of interaction with the Dwarves, etc.

That said, and noting that banging other races doesn't seem to happen often, to be uncomfortably frank I think it would be seen as people of a few centuries ago in our world would've seen banging other races - vulgar, unholy, but in some places accepted or possibly even respected (or maybe just understood, because yellow fever or civilizing the natives or whatever). Only in WFB, you'd have some races never wanting to fuck (elves and dwarves), and some races probably considering others more attractive (humans towards elves). Some Marienburg families would be overjoyed at the idea that their son might be a boytoy for a High Elf lady, who could hopefully give them a good word on trade deals.

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>Reading book about Italian Wars of 1490s
>The Holy Roman Empire is simply called "The Empire" more often than not
>Immediately think of WHFB every time

Also the bit about Barbarian-King Charles Martell and the Battle of Tours really reminds me of Sigmar and Blackfire Pass

>>54633498
So Sigmar is a mix of Jesus, Thor, and Charlemagne?

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>>54633150
>I think the closest we get is the Dwarf Runeweapons and their limit on runic magic.
That might be a limitation on the item or a limitation on the maker.
Realms of Sorcery for WFRP 2e says under the Rule of Three that 'a single item can contain only so much power', but Realms of Sorcery and Dwarfs: Stone and Steel for WFRP 1e say that 'any attempt to violate the aforementioned rules of Runic magic will inevitably fail, as no living runesmith is capable of weaving so much magical power into a single item'.
Speaking of Dwarfs: Stone and Steel, there's a decent passage spelling out the Ghal Maraz situation.

>Is that what the realm of chaos is? Just percolating emotions that eventually leaks back into the world as magic?
I believe the idea is that the Realm of Chaos is a sea of magic that would usually be placid, but is agitated by the emotions of living entities. Like... that pink goo in Ghostbusters 2. Maybe.
Magic isn't made of emotion but molded by it.

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>>54633345
>They'd still look a bit angular and alien
Ayyy lmao. Warhammer elves are more often pretty humans than aliens.

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>>54633418
>a few centuries ago

Maybe for you, degenerate. I'm not flushing my heritage down the genetic toilet.

Nor would I stick my whick in some gross, black-eyed elf or hairy shortie, neither.

>>54633630
Now'a'days, yeah. But in the old art they made more of an effort to make them alien and not your typical fantasy elf bullshit. Now they're total babes and even I wanna fuck one.

>>54633203
Well, no Athel Loren elves were in the city at the time, but Laurelorn and high elves alike found it funny, mostly because the idea was fuckin ridiculous.

>>54633592
All the 1ed lore makes it clear the the hammer the emperor wields isn't the original Ghal Maraz, as >>54631327 makes clear.

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>>54633690
>Now'a'days, yeah. But in the old art they made more of an effort to make them alien and not your typical fantasy elf bullshit. Now they're total babes and even I wanna fuck one.
As far as I can tell, the black eyes seem to be an artifact of 6th edition. They have 'normal' eyes in the earlier art and normal eyes in the later art.
I do prefer that look though. It makes them more inhuman and less like skinny dudes with pointy ears.

>>54633724
First Edition almost always makes for better Empire lore -- except their handling of Karl-Franz and his dynasty. I prefer the Storm of Chaos-era "Karl-Franz is a political maneuverer, not a warrior" than 1st Edition: "Karl-Franz is a dying old man who gives mutants rights and makes mutant-killing illegal."

My personal fix for when I run The Enemy Within (((SPOILERS AHEAD))):

The dying emperor is Luitpold II,
Karl-Franz's canon father. Also Karl-Franz had an older brother, Wolfgang von Holswig-Schliestein -- the corrupted mutant prince who is revealed as the villain at the end of the campaign.

>>54633807
Sorry. My bad. I should have made that clear. I got into the hobby at 6th edition and I've always understood 6th edition to be when Warhammer Fantasy was crystalized/perfected. And it's relatively old, now.

>>54633690
I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying that feelings about racial mixing used to be a lot stronger not even a century ago. And since Warhammer is (loosely) based on a historical version of our world, it's not unfair to try and keep our own past ideas in mind when looking at it.

That is something I actually like about Warhammer - a lot of it is comfortably based on the known and understandable. How cities and governments work, the fact that there are craftsmen and pawnshops and even factories, people just living their lives.

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>>54633345
I wonder about that. We have elves that look like Morathi or Hellebron alongside ones that look like Kerillian. Seems there's a lot of room for...ethnic variation?

>>54634038
Kerillian. Forgot about her. She's a modern black-eyed elf.

>>54633807
It's just Total War bringing back basic bitch elves 'cause they're sexy.

>>54634097
>It's just Total War bringing back basic bitch elves because it's easier for them to quickly make.

That's what I figure, anyway. Easier to basically make humans than to spend time scrunching faces and making them gangly.

>>54634038
That artwork makes her loincloth look like the world's longest pubes.

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>>54633588
People say Sigmar = Charlemagne but he's more Charles Martell. Martell was more of a hammer-wielding barbarian who solidified his status as King of the Franks by defeating the Muslim invasion of Western Europe at Tours. He set the stage for the formation of the Holy Roman Empire even though his grandson Charlemagne actually forged it

>>54633868
Karl Franz was already a warrior by SoC.

>>54631347
Not canon to WFB, nor TWW which is the only version I care about.

>>54634792
You don't even play the real game, why would you be invested enough to care about what's canon?

>>54632160
Eh...I miss looking forward to new Army Book releases. New lore, art, minis, crunch...

>>54632868
Meh.

Once you show "I hate sand" and marry it to the New Hope Vader its never the same.

I'd say keep him Vader and create a subordinate to be a troll, or just throw him in the bin with Archaon.

>>54633630
That reminds me, is the new 6e HE in the OP yet?

>>54634811
Because by and large the End Times raped lore.

There's still some gems in there, but you need to sift through mountains of shit to get it.

I think what pissed me off the most was the whole 'Chaos is destined to win' wank that chaoscucks kept spouting, while ignoring the notion that Chaos being destined to win is the same as Entropy being destined to win. It was supposed to happen, but only once everything was dead and dust anyway.

>>54634811
I played the real game. I just sucked at it, and my community died. They don't play any miniatures games now.

TWW is the only play I get, and luckily I'm not terrible at it.

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Hey fa/tg/uys.

A few weeks ago I posted a battle report for my Tears of Isha campaign. I completed scenario number 2 last week, an ambush played between a band of assassins assaulting a secret Shadow Warrior camp. I just completed the battle report today:

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>>54634879
Ambush!

A flock of Assassins –
Kaladath, 2 hand weapons, repeater hand bow, dodge (4+)
Assassin - 2 hand weapons
Assassin- manbane, 2 hand weapons
5 dark riders with xbows/shields
5 dark riders with xbows/shields
8 shades with additional hand weapons
8 shades with additional hand weapons
20 witch elves with command
14 xbows with musician

Shadow warriors-
Alatar, prince of shadows: shield, light armor, Jade bow
6 shadow warriors with champion
6 shadow warriors
12 sword masters full command
5 ellyrian reavers
5 ellyrian reavers
3 great eagles

Hoping to maintain the initiative after the overwhelming success of his raid on the shore beacon, Kaldor the cruel sent his assassins out to exterminate the shadows warriors watching the paths inland, hoping to blind his opponent to the coming march. Kaladath the black, using the intelligence provided by Kaldor, took a flock of his assassins and initiates, along with a mob of witch elves to strike their mainland cousins while they gathered in their hidden camp.

This battle was an ambush fought between a 1250 point army of dark elf assassins and shades, vs a smaller 1000 point army of shadow warriors and allies. The shadow warriors had an 8' radius circle to deploy in the center of the board, while the dark elves were able to deploy 2nd up to 8 inches from all but the east table edge. The high elves objectives would be to save the shadow warriors- every one that escaped off the east table edge will grant an advantage in the final battle. The druchii assassins goal would be to exterminate the shadow warriors, and thus prevent them from having a presence in the final battle.

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>>54634901
The high elves deployed in a tight ring, with the shadow warrior as east as possible, the sword masters in the center facing south, and the reavers taking the rear of this formation. The eagles were deployed in the center as well, prepared to use Their flight to reach whatever location needed them the most.

The dark elves deployed for a hooked pincer maneuver. In the south were a unit of shades with the assassin T'mas disguised among them, the witches led by Kaladath, and the dark riders, primed to close the trap. In the north were the xbows, more shades containing the hidden assassin Ati, and the other dark riders, forming the top tooth of the trap.

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>>54634915
Turn 1
With an ear piercing screech, the eagles warned the high elves of their approaching enemies, and the assassins launched their ambush. The dark riders marched around the woods to block off anyone attempting to break out of the trap. In the north, Ati revealed herself and led the shades through the trees hoping to unleash a volley of barbed bolts at point blank range into their surprised foes. The crossbow regiment casually strode forward into the woods to mop up any survivors. To the south, the shades ran around the hut to threaten the rear of the high elf formation and goad them into the waiting blades of the witch elves who marched through the trees, panting and bloodthirsty with murderous intent. When first volley of bolts came, it was devastating. While the dark riders found themselves unable to hit their foes, the shades killed 2 of the shadow warriors in the north and the southern regiment killed 5 swordmasters, nearly cutting their number in half, but the grim warriors resisted the urge to panic. The crossbow unit in the north fired their first volley, slaying one of the northern ellyrian reavers.

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>>54634869
This.

Almost every single work of fiction ends in the entropic heat death of the universe. That doesn't mean anyone wants to see it, even if the story is over.

>Rebels blow up Death Star #2
>Yubyub, ENTROPIC HEAT DEATH

>Iron Giant rebuilding himself in Antarctica
>Smiles at camera, ENTROPIC HEAT DEATH

>ET returns to his ship
>"I'll be...right...here." ENTROPIC HEAT DEATH

>Peter Parker marries MJ
>Slaanesh shows up to save Aunt May, ENTROPIC HEAT DEATH

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>>54634937
Realizing that to stay and fight would be nothing but a pointless death, Alatar rallied his warriors and urged them to the east to escape the brutal attack. The shadow warriors marched up the middle, while 2 eagles flew south and one north to cover their flanks from the dark elves on either side. The sword master turn to face the shades, hoping to stop them from completely surrounding the high elderly column and the reavers follow up at a slow pace to cover the rear of the shadow warriors. The shadow warriors unleash a return volley against the dark riders, hoping to clear a path to escape, but the riders armor and shields prove out against the shafts. The reavers also try to shoot down their mounted counterparts, but only succeed in felling one in the north. Alatar himself drew back his mighty bow, but the chaos of the ambush must have disrupted his concentration and his shot flew wild into the night.

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>>54634948
Turn 2

Wailing a terrible prayer to Khaine as a battlecry, the dark elf assassins sprung towards the high elves. The witches leap upon the brave eagle blocking their path to the elves behind. The shades to the south charge the depleted sword masters, who hold their long blades ready to receive them. In the north, the shades and their assassin charge the ellyrian reavers from a close position before they can no k arrows. The southern dark riders raise their shields to catch a potentially deadly volley of shadow warrior arrows as they charge the southern unit. In the north, the other dark riders charge Alatar and his unit; Alatar takes a moment to judge their charge and one after another fires 3 arrows, that strike down all but one of the vicious raiders. The last rider, shocked at the deadly accuracy of the grim warrior immediately turned her steed and fled!
The crossbow unit continued their methodically plodding pace and fires a dark cloud of death from their crossbows at the unengaged ellyrians, but only killed one of the horsemen.

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>>54634948
Against the reavers in the north, Ati drew 2 wicked blades and cut down one of the riders horses. As he was crushed underneath, she used the animal as a springboard, killing two more in the air and finally landing on the last horse and kicking the rider off with a broken neck. Have witnessed the ferocity of her attack, the great eagle who was flying with them fled from her as swiftly as possible. The dark riders in the south lowered their spears and cut down 4 of the shadow warriors, but losing 3 of their number to the smoke blackened blades. Nevertheless the shadow warriors knew they were outmatched and fled, only to be cut down by the dark riders, whose momentum carried them on into the remaining ellyrian reavers.
In the rear, T'mas revealed himself to the swordmasters, each of his strikes felling one of the brave agents of the tower. The shades kill another of their complement. Seeing himself outnumber and surrounded, their champion fled as swiftly as he could. The shades let him run and turned to face the remnant of the high elves.
Out of the woods, Kaladath personally leapt onto the back of the great eagle in front of him, lopping the beasts head off in an instant. The witches, bloodlust in full control, threw themselves onto the corpse, rending it apart in their fury instead of running towards their living foes.

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>comfy battle report reads

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>>54634991
Alatar was struggling to keep his escape organized, with more than half his forces gone or fled, it was swiftly becoming a rout. It was the sacrifice of the great eagles which allowed him to marshal what remained of his shadow warriors. The southern eagle flew to block the witches for another moment, while the eagle in the north rallied his senses.
Shooting on the run, the shadow warriors kill one of Ati's shades, but Alatar struggles to find his mark again and misses.
The remaining cavalry find themselves evenly matched, and at the end of the stamping melee, only one reaver remained on the field.

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>>54635004
Turn 3

Knowing victory was near, the druchii pressed the attack. The witch elves continues to give themselves over to frenzy, rushing the remaining eagle. Everyone else turns to give chase to the fleeing shadow warriors. T'mas's shades shred the wings of the unengaged eagle with the crossbows, with T'mas himself finishing the wounded creature with a poisoned bolt. Ati herself aims at Alatar and wounds him grievously, but he still stood, while 2 more of his warriors died around him as the relentless crossbows continued their downpour of death.
The witches hurtled into a brutal, stabbing frenzy on the last, doomed eagle, rushing over and across, tearing it apart on their mad rush towards the last few high elves.
Alatar continued dashing towards the eastern woods and safety, just shy of escape before he had to face one last assault by his evil cousins. What few arrows his warriors had left continued to find no purchase amongst the dark elves. As shades and witches raced towards him with deadly intentions, he gave a final order to his band and they scattered into the woods, fleeing the charging assassins.

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>>54634997
Im glad you like it! Have a bonus picture of my cat that snuck into the export:

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>>54634777
Trips speak truth

>>54635107
>picts

what is this faggot name for Scotland

>>54634777
To be fair, Charlemagne, Charls Martel, and a few other Charles got blurred together especially in the mythical narratives.

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>>54633807
>As far as I can tell, the black eyes seem to be an artifact of 6th edition
While we are on the subject, can someone tell me how he would interpret "laughing blue eyes"? This is from the rpg, 1e.

>>54635717
Look at yourself in the mirror and laugh a bit, notice how you tend to squint due to your cheeks/smiling.

Laughing eyes.

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For a WHFRP 2e campaign I'm running, I thought it'd be interesting if I had objects and barriers in fight locations and rooms randomly generated, similar to Kingdom Death:Monster. I thought that the best way to do this is create decks of cards for the differing enviroments, as well as their differing scales.

>What else should I add to this list of objects I've made so far and each card's rate of occurrence in a deck?

Also, I'm not considering every miscellaneous object under the sun for this list -- this is primarily for objects that can affect combat. Like a cliff is not immediately traverseable, or
while a fence isn't immediately traverseable but melee combat is still possible.

https://pastebin.com/8Uxik6YE

>>54635754
>Breathing in the breath of a Greater Demon of Nurgle.

Oh Harmis, you poor fool. You're alreasy dead.

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>>54635754
Then again, I could just put them all on tables with ranges of 1-100

But the question remains as to what their rate of occurrences are and what else I add.

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>>54635850
Better to do a deck of cards so that you can draw a room and take it out of the deck and not have to reuse it, at least in my opinion.

>>54634777
Aside from the fact that tours was more of a skirmish between two patrols. No invasion there, sorry.

>>54635453
The skots would still need to invade from Ireland.

>>54635107
>daily reminder that Charlemagne's empire fell apart for the same reasons as the mongols'.

>>54636259
Because the Mongols split up their empires among their kids, which ended up fighting with each other, becoming so enmeshed with the local culture that they were assimilated or later conquered by others, or something like that?

>>54636546
Almost exactly that, yes.

>>54636602
Kind of makes you wonder why the Empire, during the Age of the Three Emperors, didn't become three completely separate political and cultural entities instead of being so neatly stitched back together only a century or two ago.

>>54635453
The Picts were an ethnic tribe in the region that is now Scotland.
Not sure any of the modern Scottish folk are much descended from them, they might have been wiped out by various immigrations of other people.

>>54635033
That's a nice looking cat.

>>54635717
Their eyes are pointed, and shine very brightly.

>>54635754
You could always deal the players a hand and the monsters a hand then, when combat starts, let both sides put down terrain that would best serve them if you're in for a bit more wargamey.

>>54636546, >>54636602
The major difference there is that the Mongols sort of didn't care if they had one big empire. I mean it took them years to actually settle down in Nanjing rather then roam around in tents.
Most weren't really that interesting in ruling an empire, just conquering it.

>>54636902
Different Khanates had different approaches - some went 'fuck you we're going to just roam around the wilderness and hunt shit, who needs your civilization,' others only cared about tribute but realized that keeping trade open and making sure cities prospered meant more tribute, and some just replaced the ruling class and forgot their Mongol roots.

It's actually rather fascinating, and I'd recommend people stealing the idea for their fantasy settings if they want to explain a sudden amount of variety after a unified horde sweeps through.

>>54636963
It partially has to due with the Mongolians barely being "unified" at all in the way most cultures consider the term; they were all agreeing to follow Temujin as the Khaghan, but the position wasn't the same thing as being a king, just "supreme military leader" more or less.

>>54625560
>I'm gonna be a whiny bitch just because my normie tastes aren't catered to

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>normie

>>54625560
You're kidding right, there's a small handful of lizardman and skaven porn. And almost a literal billion pieces of elves getting shagged in any variety you care to want.

Fucking elves.

>>54637632
Goddamit i hate HE so much i hope there's an achievement for having the dwarfs wipe them out

>>54637665
There will probably be one for orcs and goblins

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>>54637665
Fuck off "normie" dwarffag, High Elf supremcacy soon.

>>54626545
The greenskins aren't shit

I want a REEEEEEEEE Madzapepe right now

So exactly hiw many fucking axes did Grimnir have?
Gotrek has an axe of grimnir, Thorgrim has an axe of grimnir, Grombrindal has a Runic axe of grimnir
Was he walking around with a shit ton of axes, answering to any threat by throwing one?

Also how did gotrek come in possession of an axe of grimnir? I never read the novels, does he start with it or does he find it somewhere

>>54634869
I don't even dislike Chaos, but it really ground my gears,

>Psyche! Chaos always wins!
>Psyche! There's no stopping them!
>Psyche! All the gods are false and only exist because Chaos allows them to!
>Psyche! The Order gods aren't real because one guy said so!
>Psyche! This one guy is actually a colossal Mary Sue!
>Psyche! Archaon is unstoppable!
>Psyche! The Horned Rat is a Chaos god!
>Psyche! Chaos was only ever stopped because they were holding back and bored!
>Psyche! We fucking hate our own fanbase!

It butchered lore in may more ways. That's just the tip of the anger iceberg and unless you have that level of enthusiasm for fluff you'll think it's just incoherent nerd rage.

We lost decades of quality and fun for a year of nonsensical trash so the company could sell new minis.

Some people like End Times and Age of Sigmar. Fine, no problem. But I don't.

700 gold crowns that Carnac replies to this post and says something about you-know-who chaos-mary-sue

>>54637896
Half of those shits don't even bother me as much as the fact that they delibrately provided self-contraditory lore and explanation to things.
The only explanation i can give is that they did not start with the idea that chaos was supposed to win, but they purposely started verting towards this outcome out of sheer hatred towards the fanbase and because they were taking the piss in a "don't tell me what to do" way

>>54637959
>>they were taking the piss in a "don't tell me what to do" way

Years later and it still baffles me like nothing else.

>retcon storm of chaos and archaon
>fans complain
>responds by retconning even more lore and making archaon more central to the plot
>fans complain
>responds by retconning even more lore, makes archaon even more powerful and central to the plot
>fans complain
>responds by retconning even more lore, makes archaon even more powerful to above mary sue levels, destroys the warhammer fantasy universe and blends it together with 40k
>fans complain
>responds by doing the same thing to 40k to where they're now planning to destroy the 40k universe and create a unified game system while fucking up all the lore and simplifying the game mechanics further

GeeDubs has a massive bone to pick with the fanbase and expressing disapproval only makes them angrier.

Serious talk now, im 65% sure that Gav Thorpe and Matt Ward are behind Carnac

>>54634097
>abloobloo why don't muh elfs look like sectoids

I just wonder what exactly is the problem with 3rd WFRP, I never pleyed it, but just wondering

>>54638072
It's not bad, it's just not as good as 2e.

It's also a beta test for FFG's Star Wars dice system, which is great fun there but was pretty terrible in its original conception.

They perfected the dice but left 3e to die.

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>>54634869
No, the Chaos creator guy said that everyone gonna be nommed by Chaos. It's not in everyone is dead and Chaos rolled over anyway. It's Chaos grinding the races and the world to dust through unending invasions. He has a point in his powerpoint presentation where it's said that Chaos has this paradox about it where if you fight back against them you only make them stronger. So lets break this down. You have an eternal enemy that knows no fear or pain. He has access to infinite resources. The more you fight him the stronger and more intelligent he becomes and the more weaker you become. This enemy is not something you can defeat. This enemy can only be stopped by himself. It's not even the physical threat of Chaos that's the worst part. Chaos gets in the minds of its enemies subverting any effort to combat it and turning even its greatest enemies to its side (see Archaon).

The creator guy presented the Undead as the only faction that was capable of undermining this by creating a static emotionless world of grayness and stasis. This ending is more horrible than the Chaos ending since its boring as fuck. Burning something down is more fun than wrapping it in nylon and putting it in a freezer forever.

Basically, Chaos is the biblical God. The Alpha and the Omega. You cannot defeat God. You live in his world.

>>54638082
Could you run 3e with the dice system from star wars reasonably well or would it require a shitload of overhaul?

>>54638088
>This ending is more horrible than the Chaos ending since its boring as fuck. Burning something down is more fun than wrapping it in nylon and putting it in a freezer forever.

Talk about an edgelord mary sue of an argument.

Had Storm of Chaos continued it was very likely Chaos was done for. Aenarion almost ended them once too. They could lose and lose pretty bad, which is why they needed unity to be strong. This is how the comparatively weaker Law gods could outmatch Chaos. Entropy was more prevalent and stronger, but Law was more determined and unified. Persia vs. Sparta.

>>54638048
It shouldn't surprise you. They're brits. Worse still, they're english. They are the most vile and arrogant kind of human beings there is. They will fuck everything up just to prove that other people's opinions don't mean shit to them because "it's their setting and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it"

>>54637641
Nearly all the smut tagged with warhammer fantasy is skaven or lizardmen

>>54638088
Iron Chariots

Warhammer Fantasy would have survived if they had more Metal Boxes

>>54637896
>a colossal Mary Sue

>failed at nearly everything he set up to do

Does not compute.

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>>54638088
The analogy really fails on that last line, since the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the creation of the Warhammer world. Technically neither did the Old Ones, but it's more as if the Chaos Gods saw a cool sandbox some other kids were playing with and wanted to smash everything in it.

I still generally prefer the idea that Chaos could potentially be eternally beaten off, as long as no one fighting it fucked up and the Chaos gods didn't want any of their siblings to get the upper hand in the mortal world. It's just postponing the inevitable, but without it you might as well be going 'what's the point, let's let them win.' And that knocks the legs out from what's supposed to be a wargame setting.

>>54638104
Persia won the battle of Thermopylae and burned Athens to the ground.
Later they bankrolled Sparta to keep the Peloponnesian war going.

Find a better comparison

>>54638088
Well thank god it's just the creator wishful thinking in a setting that is a collective effort and therefore individual opinions mean dick to anyone but the guy who says it

>>54638104
Don't raise an argument with chaosfags. Give them a (you) and scroll past

>>54638108
Nah you're full of shit.

I just checked rule34 this second and there is all sorts of weird warhammer shit, you're just obsessing over particular parts of it for no clear reason.
Are you in the furry closet?

>>54638104
Fuck, you suck at the lore.

>Had Storm of Chaos continued it was very likely Chaos was done for.

Nope, Archaon is an Everchosen. Even if he died somebody else will come to take his place. One after another until the world was destroyed.

>Aenarion almost ended them once too.

The lore OUTRIGHT states that Aenarion and Elves were losing the war. Aenarion realized this too late and went to defend the ritual which was the only hope for the world. There he was mortally wounded by four greater daemons (The Great Unclean One nearly outright killed him if it wasn't for his dragon).

> This is how the comparatively weaker Law gods could outmatch Chaos.

Fuck sake, here we go with more fucking lies.

>>54638132
Persia did win the battle of Thermopylae

>leave work in the evening, /whfbg/ is approaching autosage
>come in the morning, NEW /whfbg/ is approaching autosage
goddammit, how do you use up a thread so fast, jeez

>>54638172
Why are threads so small on /tg/ compared to other boards?

>>54638172
And there is surprisingly few arguments about tw:w

>>54638129
>The analogy really fails on that last line, since the Chaos Gods had nothing to do with the creation of the Warhammer world.

The Old Ones stole the power of the Chaos Gods to shape the world. The magic and gods of the world are stolen property of the Chaos Gods and they want it back.

>'what's the point, let's let them win.'

Here is an anology for you. armed to the teeth, I and three burly friends are gonna break into your house and do unspeakable things to your you, pets, and family members. Are you gonna fight back despite not having a chance or are you gonna meekly submit (perhaps even join in the fun)? This is the dark scenario warhammer offers. The fact that you refuse to fight a losing battle shows, nothing personal, you are cowardly egoist.

>>54638139
No, it's a viewpoint that's a core of the setting agreed upon by Gav and other authors.

>>54638185
Well thank god the setting died so i can do whatever the fuck i want with it in my games and nitpick as much as i want

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>>54638172
Shitposting. No really - there's some good stuff in the thread, battle reports and WHRP ideas and lore discussion, but the other half of it is going on about elf tits or which dude has the bigger pair of horns or getting mad about things.

But the fast pace can be a little scary at times, especially considering how slow it was not that long ago.

>>54638139
>Don't raise an argument with chaosfags. Give them a (you) and scroll past

What a dance we have. One anon is lying through his teeth

>AENARION WAS GOING TO END THE CHAOS GODS DURR
>shhh...never mind the fact that the lore has him losing the war against the daemons and eventually being killed off

And then anon corrects him and gets called a Chaosfag. I am gonna start a list about how many times you got the lore objectively wrong and intentionally wrong. I know for a fact that that Aenarion bastard was here yesterday and I showed him the text from the book that he cited that disproved everything he wanked about. Yet the fuck continues with spouting bullshit. What does he gain from this I have no IDEA, I started sympathies people who scream fake news because you people are the fakest newest bunch I ever seen.

>>54638203
Have it at. In my perfect Warhammer universe. Knight Templar Diederick Kastner inherited Ghal Maraz as he was destined to do and drove Chaos from the world. Also Malekith and Teclis confess to each other, get married, adopt Alith Anar, and live happy ever after.

>>54638218
It's obvious you're samefagging, you're even using the same format. Also, nice ad hominem in your last argument, chaosfag. Also anecdotal evidence is shit and so are you.

>>54638218
Stay mad anon
It's a game, calm your tits. Nothing in this thread is real nor matters in anyway. All is headcanon and whatever authors declared true has literally no meaning because warhammer is not a book but a setting like forgotten realms and everyone can do whatever he wants with the lore bits provided

I'm the anon you responded to amd frankly i can't give two shits about the chaos gods or aenarion. It happened so much time ago in setting that whateve happened or could have happened mean absolutely nothing

>>54638251
>>54638251
Samefagging? link the posts that you think I am samefagged.

Also I like how you danced around the issue of the constant provable lies of the anti-Chaos crowd by throwing a strawman.

>>54638265This is the guy whose posts you think I samefagged? Both of you are morons.

>>54638265
So in this post you admit that you passed your headcanon as actual lore and intentionally lied to people. Then you used the most idiotic reasoning I ever seen. Good for you, mister fake news.

Sorry, anons. you are not really warhammer fans, You don't even care about its lore.

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>>54638185
Why can't I just kill myself instead of giving you and your burly friends the pleasure? If I don't have a chance of even driving you off, let alone actually achieving some sort of victory, there's no real point in fighting. I can't even protect my pets/family members by my self-sacrifice, at best it's an emotional gesture rather than anything meaningful. You have to at least give me some actual reason to fight beyond 'oooh something bad's gonna happen to people you care about that you can't prevent anyway!'

And I think you're ignoring the part of the setting where, by almost superhuman effort, lots of sacrifice, and the powers of the greatest minds and the grandest warriors, Chaos can actually be driven off, even if only for a few centuries or even just a few decades. The family members and pets can be saved to quarrel among themselves for another day.

>>54638245
Despite your effort, all you described has as much value as the "official" lore.
Personally i would not change things so radically but i'm not stopping you to make what makes you happy

>>54638306
Man, how angry do you have to be to not double check everything was formatted as you did it before? It was so pretty and now it seems quite obvious, chaosfag. And please, don't get your neckbeard in such a twist over something that is pretty much up to the player.

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>>54638310
>And I think you're ignoring the part of the setting where, by almost superhuman effort, lots of sacrifice, and the powers of the greatest minds and the grandest warriors, Chaos can actually be driven off

Actually, it's YOU who ignored a crucial part in Chaos's writing. It's not by the efforts of these heroes and sacrifice that the world endures. It's by Chaos's whim and infighting nature that the world continues to exist. The issue here is about egotism. You want your self inserts to matter when in the grand scale of things they don't.

>Why can't I just kill myself instead of giving you and your burly friends the pleasure?

You can. There are people who choose self destruction rather than being forced to endure the horror.

>there's no real point in fighting

An animal would fight and struggle to death even in hopeless situations. Are you saying you are lower than an animal?

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>>54638088

>>54638353
Where is the posts that I samefagged? I smell a yellowbelly coward. Redundant description? No, you are that cowardly.

>>54638317
>"official" lore.

Yes, official. Try not to throw your headcanon in a discussion about official lore. You don't see me barging in on Malekith and Dark Elves discussion to pass off my TeclisxMalekith slashfiction. That's rude. You are rude.

>>54638395
Yes, but unlike in your scenario, my family and I can be raised from the dead and kill you guys, and live happily. Hooray for necromancy! Seriously though, stop with the ad hom.

Do you think a dwarf runesmithis able to etch magic runes on something made by another race?
For example, would a runesmith be able to enchant an elven-made sword? Or must the runesmith enchant something made specifically by him and for the specific purpose of being enchanted?

>>54638422
Yes, warhammer is edgy. That's why we love it.

>>54638426
Kek, keep being angry. I specifically like your insults, chaosfag, you come off as edgy and sound like a child flipping through a thesaurus, it's cute.

>>54638433
It ain't no ad hom. I am not saying you are wrong because you are X. I am saying your reasoning is flawed.

And being Undead is categorically worse off than being slaved to Chaos, unless you are a vampire.

>>54638446
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Accusing people of something and then being too cowardly to provide evidence.

>>54638456
>Are you lower than an animal?
Obvious ad hom.

And yes, vamps are the best future for man.

>>54637890
>Also how did gotrek come in possession of an axe of grimnir? I never read the novels, does he start with it or does he find it somewhere

He found it in a cairn in the Chaos Wastes while hiking back south from a failed expedition there. Its divine power is pretty much the only reason he made it home.

>>54638218
Used "him" to refer to your own post here
>>54638088
So either you referred to yourself in the third person (like the pseudo-intellectual you seem to be) or you samefagged. Dumbass. And I take it back, reading "coward" as your only insult is boring, please keep using that thesaurus, but don't rip the pages in your anger.

>>54638488
That's not an ad hom.

Vampirism is open for only a few select persons. And in the end, when Nagash has his way, he will extinguish the minds of the vampires turning them to no better than the other Undead.

>>54638519
Yes it is. You directed it at the person, not their position.

As for the Nagash thing, I'm still quite new in the lore so I thought that he gifted them with vampirism and would be cool with it, my bad.

>>54638511
What the fuck. Those two posts are me.

>So either you referred to yourself in the third person (like the pseudo-intellectual you seem to be)

Used "HIM" as an example because I ain't the only one who is correcting people and being called a Chaosfag for it in these threads. It's a general example.

Not only are you coward but a dumbass as well. Try to engage in discussion rather than trying to derail it with stupidity.

>>54638550
Good! Now you're using mimicry and copying my insults! You'll soon pass third grade, no doubt about that! And you're the edgelord trying to push the conversation (or lack thereof) into your own stupid topic that no one is interested in. Congrats, you look like a mongoloid fuckhead whose head is so far shoved up his ass he cannot possibly think that people wouldn't be interested in HIM, how preposterous!

>>54638545
>Yes it is. You directed it at the person

At your position, not you. Threw a hypothetical situation and question you if would behave in a way lesser than in animal during said situation.

>I'm still quite new in the lore so I thought that he gifted them with vampirism

While Nagash was gone, Neferatem used her limited knowledge of necromancy and daemonic lore to create an imperfect replica of Nagash's elixir. She drank it and became the first vampire and then spread it around.

They are the only form of Undeath that won't mindlessly follow Nagash.

>>54638581
what?

>>54638581
Anyways the only other person discussing your topic was me anyways, I'm out. And you kys chaosfag. No more (you)s from me.

>>54638595
Forgot about the Tomb Kings. These guys are very forgettable.

>>54638609
I don't want your (you)s. In fact, never (You) me or my Chaos ever again.

Why the fuck do you goddamn idiots even reply to this fucking asshat?
Seriously, it's not like he disguises his posts or anything.
Just ignore him like the motherfucking adults you supposedly are.

So i'm organising a WFRP game for my friends and i'm coming up with a possible setting taking place shortly after the Storm of Chaos. Tell me if it makes sense/is interesting enough:

>Valten BTFO archaon, but unfortunately died in mysterious circumstances
>Archaon survived, but fled with his army and his reputation in shambles
>this has thrown the hordes of chaos in complete disarray, because until now no Everchosen survived his failings
>the chaos gods themselves are tripping balls, fighting among themselves like never before
>nurgle and slaanesh want to keep supporting archaon, khorne and tzeentch want to search for a new Everchosen.
>down South, Louen declares an Erranty War against the chaos wastes, calling all bretonnian knights to his side
>literally ALL bretonnian knights
>Kislev ison its knees, the Tzarina has disappeared during the invasion, some say she died, other that she's currently prisoner among the kurgan
>KF is busy rebuilding. Openlysays that Louen's idea is borderline idiotic, but is not stopping imperial volunteers to follow him
>the dwarfs retreated to their mountains and for once decided to ride the wave and start the "crusades against the greenskins". Ungrim decided it's time for him to die and is marching straight for the north pole at the head of the largest slayer host the world has ever seen. Apparently he plans to "kill himself a god"

The end should see the PCs close the chaos gate. It's not a permanent solution but will effectively reset the doomsday clock like how grimnir did, stemming the tide of chaos and making it surge out less frequently, like at the time of morkar and asavar kul and buy the world a millenia or so of relative peace where common folks will have time to die at the tip of an orc's spear.

Archaon should show up to "help" the PCs in killing the new Everchosen and let them close the gate, because he wants to be the only Everchosen but figured it will take time for him to regain the gods' favour

>>54638720
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

>>54638729
it makes it smaller
every reply to a shitposter is shitposting too

Are ice magic and the cult of ulric related?
I think they are, even if nobody knows it

Is the quality for warhammer fantasy novels as spotty as the 40k ones? What are the best books? Who are the best authors?

>>54638729 #
Ignoring a whiny cunt with no physical presence in a a debate it DOES though.
If you hid every post he made and then stopped responding to him entirely he would literally no longer exist for the purpose of this board because nobody could see him, nobody would talk to him, and nobody would care what he thought. Eventually he'd leave or stop posting because he'd effectively not exist for the purposes of this board.

It's easy as fuck; I've got ten threads straight managing to not reply to him even once and hiding his posts when they show up. I couldn't even tell you what he argues about anymore beyond "something something Chaos something Everchosen" because he's just not there anymore for my viewing of the board.
Meanwhile all you've ever done was fail on every conceivable level to actually change his mind or influence him in any way.

Man the fuck up, it's not like it's a hard exercise regimen I'm suggesting or something. It's one button press and then doing NOTHING.

>>54638811
I don't think there's ever been any indications of that, since as far as I recall the Cult of Ulric has no particular presence in Kislev where ice magic works the way it's supposed to.
Ulricans have magic the way most priests do, but it doesn't seem to work the same way or anything.

>>54638817
>Is the quality for warhammer fantasy novels as spotty as the 40k ones?
Absolutely.
It's one of the basic drawbacks of licensed setting novel writing; quality control will be pretty shoddy at best.

>>54638841
But uric is the god of snow and cold and ice.
I bet the fucking ulricans did this

>>54638822
I don't believe you.

>>54638855
If they did then they never bothered to use ice magic in the Empire despite it being far more stable in some ways then the usual Winds, or at least unstable in a "turns the weather shitty and drops the temperature a bunch" way as opposed to a "go insane and mutate and die" way.

>>54638895
same reason why Empire doesn't use Pegasus cavalry despite having Pegasi, Bretonnia doesn't use guns, and dwarfs don't use common sense - MUH UNIQUE FACTIONS
(don't get me wrong, unique factions are good, but uniqueness gotta be justified by more than dumb flimsy excuses)

>>54636189
a skirmish between ~ 40,000 men?

Fuck outta here with that bullshit

>>54638895
Well some priests of ulric do use cold-type magic. In WFRP there even is a list of blessings

>>54638912
Pegasuses are hard to breed in captivity, Bretonnia only has a large amount because they're native to a specific province there.

I always felt Bret Pegasus knights should have been women

>>54638912
Actually, Ice Magic does have an excuse that works akin to the way Rune Magic does; by filtering the magic through something else you are changing it from a form more susceptible to Chaos to something more predictable and stable.
Runes are a far stabler thing of course since it basically just locks the magic into a permanent shape with no variation, but ice magic "filters" it through ley lines in Kislev itself.
It's still basically altering reality to make it do what you want, but it's two steps removed from pure Chaos instead of just one step like regular sorcery is.

Question

Can you take the karl franz from the newest model and park him on the back of a less humongous griffon? I always found the size of that thing absolutely histerical

>>54639231
how can you be an Emperor if the thing between your legs is not the biggest?

you can't

So how did Grom meet his end? I read that he came as far as Uthuan and what happened to him then?

>>54638088
>The creator guy presented the Undead as the only faction that was capable of undermining this by creating a static emotionless world of grayness and stasis
This is also untrue since undead can be corrupted too or vampires feel same emotions as living.

>>54639280
He got killed soon after landing

>>54639280
he and his goblins got corrupted by a very powerful dragon ogre shaggoth
his friend shaman, called Slave (because he used to be a human slave and didn't really know what the word they called him meant, so kept using it for his name) and his human lover Johanna managed to cleanse him, and then Grom fell in epic battle with shaggoth, taking the monster with him and redeeming his waaaagh!

That's why Grom is remembered as the hero of the greenskins.

>>54639239
But that shit is stupid
I don't want it

>>54639310
don't be such a feminist

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>>54638817
All the Gotrek & Felix by the first two authors, but especially Skavenslayer.

The Bruner omnibus.

Genevieve Undead, but specifically Drachenfels (for history value) and Beasts in Velvet (for actual quality).

The Ulrika omnibus, but mostly just the first and maybe the second novel.

The Malus Darkblade omnibus.

Things to avoid: all Bretonnia novels, anything branded 'End Times,' anything involving Archaon.

Hope that helps.

>>54639340
what about Blackhearts and Time of Legends? are they good read?

>>54638913
Prolly a muzzy trying to save face.

>>54638942
Pegasi aren't unicorns. In myth they were fine with both genders.

>>54639293
Never true until the cuck times, which we ignore since it only existed to sell Smegmar.

>>54638913
Obviously there were no 40k men. Medival army sizes were always hugely inflated. Either for entertainment value or political reasons. The karlings for example grabbed the franks throne a bit later. Good for PR having an ancestor who totally stopped an invasion.

>>54639362
Or a halfway sane person with actual interest in history.

>>54638841
They have some followers in southern kislev.
Also in norsca. One of their holy sites is there.

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>>54639341
I haven't read them yet, so perhaps someone else can fill you in.

>>54638088
But Jehova was btfo several times in his own codex.
Even his Prophets tell him his plans are shit. Or flatout cheat on him. And get away with it.

>>54627265
They should have let Grimgor rape Archaon again. He just sees him coming and starts screaming for his mommy.

>>54639462
>even great Archaon is scared of clowns
meh, its understandable

is Bjork related to Gork and Mork?
judging by the name she might be

>>54630662
It's still pretty deceptive of the dwarfs, particularly considering the Empire has been a stout ally of the dwarfs, with only Kislev comparing.