EDH/Commander General /edhg/

Its bullshit

My hopes were dashed when I found out there was only 4 pre-cons and one of them is fucking cats.
I don't know what I was expecting, but I feel let down.

>>54624198
>Thread Question:
Depends on what's being printed in it. But at least it's a much better choice than Clerics.

Also, stop crying about not being a slivers deck, they'll probably print a lot of slivers next year anyway.

>>54624198
I think I would've preferred just 5 more color decks, but I guess this has been okay so far.
Grixis Wizards could be cool. The only one I can recall is Nekusar so, if the trend continues then the Legends in this deck could be neat.
Strange that they went with Grixis in the first place though. I would've thought they'd pick Dimir instead.

>>54624198
So are we sure about C17 decks? Wizards, Cats, Dragons and Vampires?

I wasn't surprised by the wizards. I don't think that I'm going to get any of the decks this year, but if I am, it's either wizards or vamps, depending if there's anything actually interesting cards

>>54624275
What's wrong with cats?

>>54624294
Jeleva and Marchesa are Grixis wizards too.

>>54624198

If you want a green deck, get the cats or dragons. they'll probably be the 'greenest'.

>>54624198

Stoked. I've been wanting a good tribal Wizard commander for a while now, so I'm glad I waited on building my wizard tribal deck. Definitely grabbing it when it comes out.

>>54624370

That first line was meant to quote >>54624285.

>>54624351
So they are.
I guess what I was trying to say was, when I think Grixis, I think demons and/Bolas. Wizards are more firmly blue, with maybe some black I think. Red wizards doesn't seem as common, but I could easily be wrong about that.

How do vampires benefit from white and red? All the good vampires are in mono black but olivia.

>>54624397
Have you ever tried to make monoblack vamps? They are like 10 creatures shy of a creature base. Not to mention not immediately folding to artifacts and enchantments from red and white.

>>54624397
Burn and Madness for red and lifeplay for White

>>54624393
Honestly if it's Wizards, it makes more sense as Grixis instead of Dimir. Dimir would be good for zombies and rogues, while demons would be something more to the Rakdos side.

>>54624370
>If you want a green deck, get the only ones featuring that option
You're not wrong, but come on.

>>54624418
I do and its pretty good. I run around 25 vampires and run other value creatures like sheoldred, gary and bloodgift demon. And yeah I guess lacking enchantment and artifact removal is an inconvenience but I still wouldnt try to go Mardu making my mana base more inconsistent just for that.

>>54624198
>What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17?

Aetherborn wizards

>>54624424
There arent any good madness cards for vampires.

Which lifegain cards in white? Black already has two blood artists, sanguine bond, gray merchant and kalitas.

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How do you get things in your graveyard?

What things to you like to get in your graveyard?

Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?

>>54624636
Mirror-Mad Phantasm, Auras, Bruna.

>>54624636
>How do you get things in your graveyard?
Mana Severance + Balustrade Spy

>>54624636
>self mill, wheels, entomb
>etb abuse
>Alesha, the giggling tranny

>>54624524

It just seems like a dumb complaint. Blue got 'shafted' just as hard.

>>54624636
>How do you get things into your graveyard?
Wheels my man. You wheel your hand or use looting effects. Nothing's better than dumping your hand then reanimating your buddies. Necroplasm is also fantastic.

>What things to you like to get in your graveyard?
Big stompy creatures. Gary and Massacre wurm are some of my favorite targets, but I also like Abhorent Overlord, Bane of Bala Ged and Geth.

>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?
Ironically, I usually run commanders that have nothing to do reanimating, because I like it to be a surprise. If people see it coming, they sideboard against you.

>>54624636
I like to get dread return, anger, Kiki jiki, Cinderhaze Wretch, and Necrotic Ooze into my graveyard. Malfegor is the best.

>>54624721
Wait wait wait, what am I looking at here? Do you pitch all your lands, and then deck yourself?

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>>54624636
>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?
There is only one correct answer.

>>54624807
You pitch all your lands except one. Then you dump 90% of your Library into your GW.

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>>54624807
exile all lands, get everything in graveyard, then use this

>>54624831
That's a dirty trick, but it costs a fair bit of mana. Perfect for labman or Mimeoplasm combo mill. I appreciate that.

>>54624397
Ixalan is going to have W as one of the colors for vampires, that´s why it´s in

>>54624636
spoiler that shit anon

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>>54625055
Always remember that we have a skeleton inside each and every one of us.

I just want to let them out.

>>54624636
>How do you get things in your graveyard?
dredge, hermit druid, splinterfright, buried alive, nyx weaver
>What things to you like to get in your graveyard?
giant creatures and things with ETBs
>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?
meren because i am unoriginal

>>54624546
Unless Edgar does something totally shit, youre gonna want him as your commander just for the eminence ability, remember Oloro was good and all he did was gain life, with admittedly a better color combo but I doubt Edgar's eminence will be stronger than Oloro's. You can still just be a mostly black deck with splashes for white removal and red whatever as you dont actually have to cast edgar.

>>54624198
>What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17?
boring as fuck but will probably be the best of the bunch

>>54625172
>but I doubt Edgar's eminence will be stronger than Oloro's
I meant edgar will probably have a better eminence

>>54624636
>How do you get things in your graveyard?
Buried Alive, Entomb, shit like that. My favorite way is skipping my first turn to discard a big creature to immediately Reanimate on turn 2.
>What things do you like to get in your graveyard?
Gray Merchant is bae merchant. Also It That Betrays, Sidisi, the works.
>Who is your favorite general to turn your graveyard into the RAVEyard?
I use Kokusho, though he really doesn't contribute much to the overall strategy besides not having to use a tutor to find him. To actually answer the question though, The Mimeoplasm.

>>54624198
>UBR Wizards
Now that I think about it, I'm glad to be wrong. Clerics are a pretty boring tribe. There's also a lot more potential for throwback legends in Wizards. Off the top of my head, Gatha, The Weaver King, and Ludevic 2.0.

>>54625478
I just want Vedalken Aethermage reprint.

>>54624334
In my opinion, Cats are still relatively fresh as far as a tribes go. I'd rather wait for them to mature more before we get a precon for them.
Meanwhile, I would have liked to see Snakes, Warriors, Soldiers, Elementals, Spirits, Clerics, or more which have been around forever and could still use that boost the precons give.
I like the choice of Vamps and Wizards, a bit iffy on Dragons but I'll accept it, but I do not like the cats.

And I wouldn't mind them as much if we were getting a 5th.

>>54625496
"We considered reprinting Vedalken AEthermage, a key card in nearly every wizard deck, but found that referencing slivers in a set without slivers caused new players' brains to explode"

>>54625496
>Vedalken Aethermage
its a 17 cent card that probably will have worse art because its not going to have the futuresight border
why would you want this?

>>54625538
>Cats
>Newer than Snakes

???

>>54625686
Snake tribal is as old as Kamigawa, while actual Cat tribal support isn't that old.

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>>54625715
What the actual fuck are you saying.

>>54624198
Grixis Wizards seems cool, i'm wondering what red wizards they'll put in.
I dont like the cats, dragons seem like fun and Mardu Vampires are gonna be sweet.

>>54624397
Sorins. And you can play tibalt, everyone wants to play tibalt right?

>>54625806
Dualcaster Mage.

>>54625817
what does tibalt have to do with vampires? he's a devil

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>>54625787
to be fair thats literally a single card printed
there was as much support for cats back then as there is for contraptions right now

and there arent even any contraptions printed as of now
where as snake tribal was actually supported heavily in nip.set

>>54625847
he can trigger your madness cards. It was a bad joke.

>>54625787
That's the only Cat tribal piece from back then. Snakes had a larger amount of support.

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>>54624636
>buried alive and selfmill
>big guys
>m..meren

You guys think wizards will actually put any worthwhile reprints in the new commander decks or no?

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>>54625863
now we just need a way to give it tap: create a copy of this card
haha

>>54625898
>You guys think wizards will actually put any worthwhile reprints in the new commander decks or no?
yes
im preordering them asap just for that reason
I hate tribal but theres going to be bank in these decks

>>54625863
>>54625870
>back then
>that's the same as now
Are you some kind of 9th dimensional autists that exist outside of time?

>>54625946
>he isn't
Snakes still have more lords and support. FUCK CATS!

>>54625863
>supported heavily
>a few awful lords

>>54625964
And elves have WAY more lords and support than snakes. FUCK SNAKES!

>>54625898
they always do.
im thinking tribal focused cards will see reprints. Patriarchs something, urzas incubator, etc, not to mention some strong cards.

>>54626046
Well yeah but Elves are mainstream shit.

>>54626046
WE DONT NEED MORE FUCKING ELF SUPPORT

>>54624198
>Mardu Vampires
If the legend is Edgar I will fucking pee.

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>>54626065
FREE HIM

>>54626079
>the
We get several, judging by the Dragons.

>>54625946
the claim that there was tribal support for cats before snakes is like saying there is currently tribal support for riggers/contraptions >>54625969
>a few awful lords
its more than a few and they arent awful

>>54626105
>the claim that there was tribal support for cats before snakes is
True. It's a true statement. Stop being willfully retarded.

>>54626099
No other vampire legend could be as cool as Edgar fucking Markov.

>>54626156
Yeah, so what I'm saying is that he's a shoo-in with the prospect of several Mardu commanders.

>>54626156
I really hope we don't get another ludevic/ulrich when it comes to him.

>>54625901
Jesus, Portal 3 was retarded.

>>54626079
Going by the other things we might get
>Cat Vampire
>Dragon Vampire
>Vampire Wizard
>Dragon Wizard
>Cat Wizard
>Cat Dragon (Already done)

and others sprinkled here and there
>Dragon Spirit (already done)
>Human
>Spirits
etc

>>54626142
having one card that cares about a tribe =/= tribal support in any meaningful way

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>>54626060
Youtube begs to differ.

>>54626214
>Meowsferatu
>Mewrlin

The wizard legendary will be Memnarch Reforged

>>54626259
How is it not? One card is still a support towards the tribe. There's no rules specifying a minimun amount of cards to count as tribal support.

>>54626259
>tribal support isn't tribal support if it's not the tribe i want!
You are a fucking child.

>>54626321
Oh fuck stop hyping me you cunt

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>>54624636
>Buried Alive, Volrath, Vish Kal, global hand destruction
>Distended Mindbender, Saffi Eriksdotter, Sun Titan
>Karador because Junk is the Funk

>>54626214
Edgar Markov being a cat vampire would be hilarious.

>>54626321
its Inala, Archmage Ritualist.
Speaking of her, does she have some existing lore? Edgar, Ur Dragon, Wasitora, Ramos, Taigam etc. They all have SOME lore.

As for the other commanders inside...unsure

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>>54626328
just kidding, it's Lim-dûl

>>54626395
GOD DAMNIT REEE SSHUT UP

>>54626089
>tfw played rofellos and gaeas cradle last cube
i know why he's banned but damn that was fun

>>54626323
>>54626326
by that logic Face-down creature tribal predates both of them
I dont consider having a single card that cares about a tribe "tribal support"

>>54626394
No, she'd be an OC like some of C16's commanders.

>>54626394
In C16, all but two of the new legends (Saskia and Tana) were from a known plane. Nahiri wasn't named before her card was released, and Daretti was mentioned once in a Conspiracy story, while Teferi and Freyalise were major figures, and Ob Nixilis grew even more important later on. Lore status isn't universal.

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>>54626394
she's a powerful womyn?

>>54626486
You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is still subjective.

>>54626486
>by that logic Face-down creature tribal predates both of them
And?
>I dont consider having a single card that cares about a tribe "tribal support"
I don't really give a shit if you have a problem with reality. You're objectively wrong.

>>54626512
I thought Nahiri was named just never depicted, and people thought nahiri was Stoneforge Mystic (but was later corrected to just be a random Kor)?

>>54626512
Vial Smasher was also name-dropped before C16 dropped.

>>54624636

mills 'n' wheels

creatures

Lazav, dimir ravemastermind

Deck tech for a non cancer Atraxa? I'm trying to not just pillow fort super friends and do more with +1/+1 counters.

>>54626785
its not really that hard man just google it. theres only 3 real ways to build her

>>54626785
Deepglow Skate, Forgotten Ancient, Kalonian Hydra, Verduous Gearhulk, Vorel of the Hull Clade, and Death's Presence are all solid includes for counter fuckery.

>>54626514
I saw the Professor video on Arlinn Kord while I was on a train and damn, that's some bland writing.
I expecially despise how her coming to accept her Werewolf nature "well, I'm in this new plane and might as well get used to what I really am" becomes "I was never a monster all along, don't mind all those I've killed in my berserk form, that's water under the bridge" the moment she returns to Innistrad.
But the worst part of it is that everyone let's her get away with it.
In my eyes the story would have redeemed itself if her mentor (can't remember the name) would have let himself die out of spite.

I missed the news about C17, what did the chink spoil?

>>54626963
Grixis Wizards, Mardu Vamps confirmed.

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>>54626785

myojin atraxa

>>54626963
Vampires are Mardu, Wizards are Grixis.

>>54626557
Stoneforge Mystic is Nahiri, It's just in the same way Disruptive Student is Teferi. Nahiri was a Stoneforge Mystic, and Teferi was a disruptive student, so using a depiction of them to represent the creature fits fine.

Also, no, the only thing we knew about Nahiri prior to her appearance in the Commander precon was there was a third member of Sorin and Ugin's anti-Eldrazi defense team known only as "The Lithomancer".

>>54626995
Noice

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>>54627006
September 24th, 2014, a month and a half before C14's release, Nahiri is mentioned by name, connected by Sorin to Ugin, though not confirmed as the Lithomancer.

>>54626525
Not him, but snakes have much more snakes-matter cards than cats. The bulk of cat cards care more about things like equipments than actual cats themselves and the subname as a whole has little actual focus. Cards like Kemba makes more cats, but only in relation to the number of equipments she has on her. There's lifegain, but almost nothing actually capitalizes on it. There are tokens, but so few lords to pump them and make them anything greater than the 1/1 or 2/2s they enter as.

>>54627361
>Not him, but snakes have much more snakes-matter cards than cats.
Irrelevant. He was factually wrong and tried to substitute his opinion for facts.

>>54627361
Did you know there are more cat Lords that are anthems than there are wizard Lords that are anthems? If that's all your basing your definition of cat tribal support on, then wizards are roughly as supported as Griffin tribal. And we both know that's bullshit and that tribal is about more than that. Making a bajillion cats is pretty fucking cat tribal.

>>54627769
wait how many cat matter cards are there?

>>54627830
Every cat card is a cat matters card because cat matters cards all care about cats. So all cats?

>>54626213
It's a great intepretation of something like a ballista though. It shoots down attackers before they can reach you in combat.

>>54627930
>Every cat card is a cat matters card because cat matters cards all care about cats.
verifiable false
their typing doesnt matter unless theres a card that makes it matter

>>54627830
Right now there's:
Pride Sovereign
Raksa
Regal Caracal
Technically also Arahbo.

As for Wizards, we've got:
Aphetto Grifter
Azami
Crookclaw Elder
Diviner's Wand
Final Iteration
Gempalm Sorcerer
Ghosthelm Courier
Information Dealer
Inspired Sprite
Ixidor's Will
Lavamancer's Skill
Nameless One
Patron Wizard
Psychic Trance
Riptide Director
Riptide Laboratory
Sage of Fables
Sage's Dousing
Shieldmage Elder
Sigil Tracer
Stonybrook Banneret
Stream of Unconsciousness
Supreme Inquisitor
Thoughtbound Primoc
Tribal Golem
Voidmage Prodigy
Wandering Mage

So, yeah, it'd be really selective to imply it's only based on the number of Lords a tribe has.

>>54627830
There are two explicit cat anthems. There is just one for wizards (it's on the other side of a flip card, so you have to work for it too).

Cat matters is a different story. There are about a half dozen really good cat token producer, and random shit like p/t equal to number of cats you control.

>>54627988
Also, just to round this out, the Snake Matters cards are:
Kaseto
Technically Kashi-Tribe Elite
Patron of the Orochi
Sachi
Seshiro
Arguably Shisato
Sosuke's Summons
Sosuke

>>54628011
>anthems
you are literally the only person talking about anthems

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>>54628011
>random shit like p/t equal to number of cats you control

You're misremembering.

>>54628067
The point I was trying to make was that its stupid to not count the other shit. It's really easy to get more cat tokens, and that matters.

>>54628073
Pride sovereign

>>54628232
It doesn't matter if nothing makes them matter. That's what I was trying to say. They are just blank 1/1 or 2/2s until something changes them. They could read Kor or Advisor or something and it would not make a difference, because there is almost nothing to capitalize on that name for cats. I was never implying that lords are the only way a tribe can show synergy, but if cats want to go wide, which seems to be one of 3 subthemes the name wants to do, and the other 2 don't care about cats at all, then they'll need to do much better than just a bunch of 1/1s and 2/2s.

>>54628346
>It doesn't matter if nothing makes them matter.

But there are cards that make them matter. You can get an army of 2/2 cats piss easy, and with the Lords they have they will be 5/5 lifelinkers with double strike. That's a 20 life swing per cat, which is fucking elf tier.

>>54628431
>with the lords they have
They have 2. Caracel and Raksha, who needs the condition of being equipped.

>>54628492
Yes? I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. It doesn't make my post any less true.

>>54628506
What the fug. How much is that worth and when was it purchased?

>>54628506
Is there an offical designation of the commandzone? I usually have my commander in a place top right

>>54628506
Coming from the guy who ordered the Basandra one, I really don't like that mat or the other land ones because about a quarter of it is just a black streak. It's a shame mine will have the watermarks on the art though.

So, with the Mardu Vamp confirmed, which legendaries do you hope get reprinted?

>>54628540
Olivia

>>54628540
Olivia Voldaren, and not a legendary, but Sorin Markov.

>>54628540
Olivia and Anowon are the only relevant legends for vampires in Mardu iirc. I'm kinda sad it's not Grixis even though I know there must be like two blue vampires but one of them is Garza Zol, which would be a cool reprint.

>>54628506
That is pretty sweet, I'd love to have a signed terese nilsen/rebecca guay mat

>>54628540
olivia

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>>54628506
>tfw no silas renn playmat, sleeves and deckbox

>>54628513
Because this is EDH. You get to have one copy in your deck and the second you play one the other players will take them down. The lords being 5/7 drop respectively doesn't help either. Zombies, Goblins, Elves, and other damage based tribes work because of how many different lords there are. You take one out and different one replaces it.
Take out the Caracel or Raksha and suddenly those cats aren't very threatening because there's nothing left to make them matter.

>>54628618
why though.

The art is atrocious.

>>54628576
You're forgetting that the Dimir are run by vampires. Mirko Vosk and Szadek are both vamps
Circu is a wizard and if they print him in a Commander set my laughter will be unending.

>>54628622
Did not mean to type goblins, replace it with merfolk.

>>54628649
Oh there's the mind vampires that's true. Still, that makes it 4 blue vampires.

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>>54628636
I just love his smug dreamworks face.

>>54628677
martin shkreli approves

>>54628671
And Jeleva, that's our 4th, though she might actually get a reprint anyway since she's a wizard as well.

>>54628514
Got it about a week back for ~40 burgers. Expensive for a mat but I try to support artists whenever I can.
>>54628524
>>54628533
I've been keeping it on the black strip along with my deck and GY. The fact that there's not much actual Guru Island doesn't matter when my cards aren't covering it up so often.

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They're out!

http://mythicspoiler.com/c17/cards/Yahennireborn.html

>>54628622
>Because this is EDH

Sure is a good thing that half their Lords are legendary then.

>>54628622
Samefag also following up with those tribes also have other means of interacting with each other like tap X number of Y, do Z or when Y dies, do A, while cats do not.

>>54628795
m8 you need to get better at this

>>54628809
I'm just impatient, shouldn't the leaks be out by now?

>>54628802
So what do you do when your 7 drop Raksha dies? Pay 9 to bring it back? Then 11? 13? Meanwhile your cats are most likely long gone by then. Keeping the equipment off of Raksha will also punt your deck while making him the commander denies any G support and creature tutors, meaning you'll need to draw into the Caracel in the color with the worst card draw and tutoring.

>>54628822
Were you not around for the last commander spoiler just a few months ago? We still have like 2 weeks to go.

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>>54626214
>Cat Vampire
We already have Mirri
>Vampire Wizard
Hopefully the Weaver King or Runo Stromkrik. Edgar could be considered a wizard as well.
>Cat Wizard
Pre-Spark Lord Windgrace could be a Cat Wizard, though a Lord Windgrace as the Spirit of Urbog would make for a great Cat Spirit as well

>>54624198
it was not a surprise for me it was going to be wizards, but i was expecting mono U or UB. guess cats gets shafted for being the only bicolour deck.

Looks like I'm hooked on Dimir and want to chuck all red from my Grixis spellslinger deck in favor of more mill and a more flavorfull commander. UR didn't work as well because of complicated stack issues and the need to stay passive and build a better hand to start going off.

Unblockable critters don't seem to matter much, so don't think I should bother. One thing I like is disassembling people's combos, since there always some solitaire decks at the table, but the deck generally doesn't do much with the combat step.

How is Circu for a commander? I like the flavor of surgically extracting your opponents' plans and he shouldn't attract much removal since he mills so slowly. He either works too slow or warrants for infinite combos with bouncing creatures. How do I build a good spellslinger deck that isn't storm?

>>54629042
>complicated stack issues

there's nothing complicated about the stack??

AP - NAP

>>54624198
>What's your opinion on UBR Wizards tribal for fourth deck in C17?
boring as fuck tribe honestly

>>54628636
Joseph Meehan's stuff usually is.

>>54629082
wizards is playing it safe this year by being dull casul bait tribes. mardoo vamps will be broke as fuck tho.

>>54629138
It's either gonna be that or cats as the broken one

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Thoughts on Reliquary Tower in Kaalia? The idea is that I can just ping myself for a lot with necropotence but I'm iffy on two card combos in 99 card singleton decks, especially when one doesn't tap for a color of mana without outside help. The reason why I haven't immediately wiped it out of consideration is because it runs the best tutor colors to consistently get necropotence.

>>54629177
Run Thought Vessel instead.

>2017
>not using scryfall over magiccards.info
shit

>>54629191
But isn't that a lot more vulnerable because it's an artifact? I'm pretty new to EDH, so I know that lands aren't exactly as safe as other formats, but they seem a lot more safe than artifacts.

>>54624198
Can we stop printing Grixis support?

>>54629217
"No."

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>>54629217
No.

>>54629215
It's not a target though. People aren't going to waste removal on a Thought Vessel when Sol Rings and Signets are around, and the only Artifact wipes I can think of are Overloaded Vandalblast and Bane of Progress, which are both big drops.

>>54629215
>>54629177
Run neither. You don't need the effect to make Necro good, but you do need colored mana to cast it and Kaalia on time every game.

>>54629158
lol no. the only thing catz has now is making lost lenonin a 10/9 infect

>>54629073
When I need to stack all my shit properly, whilst counting mana from rituals and untap spells and taking into account cards I randomly draw into mid combo, people just get tired of waiting

>>54629217
Literally the best shard. Esper would be able to compete if not for the dullest of the popular commanders

>>54629217
>>54629217
but what edh deck are people going to put their Nico Bolas© Planeswalker©s in their official UltraPro© sleeves and deck boxes?

>>54628859
M8, every tribal deck is stopped by removal. Why are cats supposed to be different?

>>54629082
What tribe is less boring than wizards and why?

>>54629689
Zombies, because recursion, draw, lifeloss, token spawning and even removal built into some of those. Also walking corpses. Love wizards though

>>54629712
Wizards have all of those things though, just replace lifeloss with damage. They also get countering spells and wierd tap shenanigans along with mill.

Also flying.

>>54629689
Slivers. :^)

>>54629663
Because unlike other tribes, they only have two singular cards that care about the creature type.

>>54629804
Countering spells is okay, for damage you need to plash red, blue bounce removal isn't relevant

>>54629689
all of them, what is wizards' mechanics? drawing cards?

>>54629916
And countering spells.

Karametra or Marath for an enchantress deck?

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>>54629689
goblins, they make me smile. instead of broody/edgy guys in cloaks, i have a bunch of silly goofballs that somehow manage to beat things up.

look at this precious cinnabun. i want to protect this smile.

>>54629969
Karametra, for being an enchantment in the command zone.

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>>54629974
Some Wizards are pretty precious.

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>>54629974

>>54629990
Plus it's surprisingly easy to get devotion for her and use her as a wincon.

Are there any other permanents with an effect like Corpse Connoisseur?

>>54629916
Draw, mill, tap/untap, countering, bouncing, stealing, flying, non-creature recursion, copying spells and changing types, pinging.

They do a fair amount of stuff compared to other tribals. Their "Lords" are just all non traditional as heck

>>54630099
Vizier of the Anointed, but he's got a much more limited scope.

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>>54630099
I blink this a couple of times

>>54630099
Nope. Only instants/sorceries like Entomb, Jarad's Orders, and Buried Alive.

>>54630136
blue cards doing blue things and also being wizards doesn't suddenly make those things wizard mechanics

>>54630099
Iname, Death Aspect, but I doubt that's really what you want.

>>54626785
>Atraxa
>Non-cancer
Pick one son or own up to being BUG cancer.

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>>54630173
Having to play other wizards to do them does.

>>54630173
Actually, >>54630304 is a perfect example of the Wizard mechanic, tapping Wizards to perform effects.

>>54629974
Lol, yeah I hear you man. Gobos are just fun as shit to play.

I need an arbitrary decision. Which deck should I build?
>Aboshan artifacts and colourless bombs
>Lazav/Mimeoplasm Mill
>Neheb ramp with secret hidestugu
>Memnarch/Kruphix good stuff
>Jeleva spellslinger featuring surprise Bolas
>Xenagos/Ruric Thar/Maelstrom creatures matter

>>54630546
>Jeleva spellslinger featuring surprise Bolas
sounds fun id go with that or neheb

>>54630546
>Aboshan artifacts and colourless bombs
This one.

Also, am I the only one who wishes the fourth deck was rogues?
Prowl was such an interesting mechanic.

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So which one will you get, anon? Mardu Vampires or Grixis Wizards?

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>>54624198
For those of us who can't read Moonrunes, anyone got a translation?

>>54630650
All four.
One will inevitably become horrendously overpriced because of one card, and at worst I can use the staples.

>>54630672
>5c dragons
>Selesnya cats
>Mardu vampires
>Grixis wizards

>>54630638
Aboshan it is, thanks anon!

>>54630571
I was leery about Jeleva because I don't have the mana base to support grixis. But, I'll also build Neheb since they won't use any of the same cards.

>>54630650
Mardu bloodsuckers obviously

>>54630686
Yeah, I got that that, but what does the ad actually say?

>>54630546
>goodstuff
Never

>Aboshan
Maybe, but mono-u with that tends to be another goodstuff

>Neheb
Why, yes

>Mill and Jeleva
Building mill right now. Done Jeleva, but it nods heaviliy to the storm/ad nauseam/doomstay cutthroat list, and the cost like hell. Although Grixis is the only combination I'd bother with spellslinger in, and Jeleva is the onle relevant commander in grixis

>>54630650
I already pre-ordered 3 sets of them. I open one to use for other decks, keep one whole to play with (same with all the other pre-con commander decks), and the third one I keep sealed for sometime in the future.

>>54630711
There are also going to be 54 new cards and 10 tokens included.

I think.

>>54630711
"moshi moshi card game friends, new big super fun magic card game coming soon."

>>54630766
You forgot "Desu"

>>54630782
SEMPAI!

Is it even possible to win with non-infinite mill in 4+ player game?

>>54630650
>>54630678
I plan on getting all but the Cats. Unless the backup commander to Arahbo himself is actually good, I have little interest, since Arahbo isn't particularly appealing himself.

>>54630850
If your opponents are mentally handicapped.

>>54630850
Yes. Eater of the Dead + Phenax, God of Deception does a good job of it as long as there is at least one creature based deck at the table.

>>54630650
Grixis Wizards. I have a tuned out Sedris deck, but I never cast the fucker. I'm eagerly waiting to not cast my commander 9/10 of the time instead of 10/10 of the time.

>>54630875
Then why do people bother. I don't see much other ways to win with UB, rather milling yourself for labman

>>54630934
Because bad players always think mill is much stronger than it is. When they're doing the milling and when they're being milled.

>>54630934
It's either DoomLab rush or make infinite mana and mill out with oona. Ninja and zambie tribals are traps.

>>54630755
Where do you usually preorder?

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I'm in a 4 player game. My opponents have 2 life, 40 life and 40 life. I cast Debt to the Deathless for 35. How much life do I gain?

>>54631267
It doens't matter cause they're all fuckin' dead kiddo

>>54631267
the full amount. people's life totals are reduced below 0, so the guy would have -62 life

>>54631282
oh my bad, I cast it for 10

>>54631267
>>54631288
60 life.
Life totals can go negative.

if my commander gets counter spelled does it get commander tax? i assume yes but i dont actually know

>>54631392
Yes.
Any time you would cast your commander you add to your tax.

>>54631392
The tax counts for how many times you've put your commander back into the command zone. If you took it out of the command zone to cast it, it was countered, and you put it back into the command zone instead of putting it into your graveyard, it will count that, yes.

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Why would I not want this in every deck?

>>54631510
Because it's mediocre color fixing that adds marginal bulk to your commander.

>>54631510
Doesn't produce color whenever needed. Filter lands in general are usually low priority and this one only adds a little bit of heft to your commander at the cost of consistency.

>>54631510
It's bad fixing that lets you cast your commander behind curve for a marginal upside that doesn't even matter for many commanders.

>>54631510
It's slow.

>>54631510
Too niche for a colorless-generating utility slot, too inefficient for a fixing slot. If you're at tricolor or more and on a harsh budget or expect to recast your commander a lot (like, say, the Bug Gods or anything else liable to end up in your hand) you could use it but it's a marginal pick.

>>54631462
That's..... Not how that works at all.
It counts every time it was cast from the command zone, not every time it goes back.
They kinda amount to the same thing, but seriously, you should know how the rules actually work.

>>54629712

Zombies would have been infinitely more boring considering there is already tons of zombie tribal support and zombie cards in every set. I would have been extremely unsatisfied if they had used a bunch of tribes like that; this release should have been for wizards and vampires and cats.

>>54629906

>for damage you need to splash red

it's a good thing it's a Blue Black Red deck then eh?

>>54631752
is it a good thing though

>>54631787
Yes, because I am already running grixis wizard tribal and I want more support

>>54631787
ooh you got im there m8

>>54631806
who is the general

White black vampire angel.

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>Build janky MW with 0.25$ fatties galore and as little EDHRec staples as possible
>Have mad fun building it, exploring the possibilities and hitting people's faces
>Build Netdeck Meren Stax
>Building it is a chore and playing it isn't fun for anyone, not even me

At last I truly see. I had to fall to see it though

>>54628618
>le ebin trole faec

>>54632007
Meren is cancer. They pushed her a little too much and she's almost like a Naset/Jeleva/Kaalia type general except instead of needing to remove her before she attacks you just need to remove her every single turn.

I really think that experience counters were a terrible idea and Meren is ridiculously annoying. Even an absolutely terrible player can have success with her.

>all future commanderproducts will have commanders that do something while they're in the commandzone

How do you preorder the decks at this point in time?

>>54631858
Probably either Jeleva or Marchesa, but who knows, grixis is the most supported color combo in commander already.

>>54632007
i wanna build a stax deck to see what its like. probably babby lilly, mikaeus, or kuon. anything recommended besides the stax gift package?

>>54632116
Did you think all future Commander products would have Partners? Did you think all future Commander products would have Experience? Did you think all future Commander products would have Planeswalker Commanders?

>>54631858
Marchesa. I'm only running about 18 wizards though. Mainly because I want my wizards to swing in as muscle wizards, so no tap abilities are in there. The other 20 or so creatures aren't wizards because of that.

>>54632116
"Commanderproducts was a mistake" - Mark Rosewater

>>54632166
That would be Sultai.

>>54632610
You mean Bant

Looking for some feedback on this Nu-Grenzo deck that I'm building. Don't really have a price ceiling for cards except stuff like Candelabra of Tawnos so if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grenzos-goblin-shenanigans/?cat=custom&sort=

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>>54632225
>yfw Maro or Sheldon make partner rule applicable to all Legendary creatures

>>54632007

Those two are """girls""", right?

>>54632772
Imagine if all creatures with cmc 3 or less had partner. Hilarious.

>>54632815
I just want to find people who will play Vorthos Partners with me so I can play Temur Weird Spark Venser/Radha.

>>54632099
Experience counters were difficult to balance because the longer the game went the more value their commander had.

Meren and Mizzix were bullshit
Daxos wasn't good and Kalemne was horrible
Newzuri was the only one who felt in the right spot. Good colors and hitting for 7 with a manadork is fun and not that oppresive. If they want to do something scummy like Infect they basically telegraph everything with 1 or 2 turns of anticipation

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>>54629523
It has acess to Lost Leonin/Worldly Tutor/Eladamri's Call/Green Sun Zenith/Survival of the Fittest. And Grafted Exoskeleton with Steelshaper's Gift/ Enlightned Tutor/Open the Armory/Stoneforge Mystic/Steelshaper Apprentice.
If all of those Fail, you can just White Sun Zenith and Triumph of the Hordes.

Ahabo is a Infect Machine.

>>54632862
What the fuck is that

>>54632918
its from the computer game

>>54632954
Ah ok. Is there a gallery of cards from it?

>>54632970
if you just search the name of the posted card you'll be able to find them

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>>54632918
Shandalar exclusive cards. All related to random effects.

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I'm considering spicing the standard Roon ETB value list with some superfriends, and pic related as my lieutenant. Is this a stupid idea? What are some generally cheap planeswalkers in Bant colors? I don't want to play anything of the likes of JtMS, but I don't want to play trash either.

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>>54632918
You've seen nothing yet

>>54633051
You can get Tamiyo, Field Researcher for ~5 dollarydoos.

>>54633076
Yeah I saw the gallery. What the fuck is that shit? I like the random land, though. I hate that when a card game goes digital they exploit random effects so much.

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>>54626785

>Sunburst Equipment
>Blade of the Bloodchief
>Pic related

Go tall. That's what I planned on doing until everyone just built boring as fuck super friends Atraxa.

>>54633051

Well venser planeswalker is great in roon

you should be aware that any good planeswalker is going to be at least $8, generally closer to $15

Jace unraveler of secrets does a similar job to jtms once he's in play, obviously being 1 mana more is a lot worse though. Garruk Wild speaker is always excellent, making mana and being a wincon with your flicker dorks

>>54632740
I'd say Sultai over Bant simply because black gives you access to a lot more degenerate shit. But yeah, any UGx combo.

>>54632862
so does every GW deck have access to those card. the point was needing only two card combo with one of them being the commander. What makes him worth playing as a commander and not just another part of the 99?

>>54633341
>What makes him worth playing as a commander and not just another part of the 99?
The free Giant Growth every turn.

>>54624397
Ixalan is full of Pillarmen

>>54626785
Pursuit of Knowledge and other random one-off counter effects.

What's the best izzet chaos commander?

>>54633818

Arjun

>>54633363
for cats only

>>54632143
Your LGS will probably let you preorder at MSRP.

Will anywhere online preorder below MSRP though?

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I'm making an edh with almost every hydra, also looking into wurms and hellions. Rosheen is probably the best bet, or Ulasht for flavor, but I was hoping to get into white for the phytohydra and wurms, or blue for the 1/1 counter support. Any vital cards I should look into? I've found a ton of cool obscure shit looking through old sets and am curious if there's anything that might not be obvious for a gruul/naya/temur build

>>54632862
>random
>online-only mechanics
>hearthstoning mtg
kys

>>54633917
Why are you being rude anon

>>54633051
Bant Tamiyo is amazing and only costs $5.
Venser is similarly amazing but fits your blink strategy more and costs like $13.
Dovin Baan is swell if you're going stax-y and is maybe $2.

>>54633895
There are preorders for like $115 for the set on eBay.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hypothetical-vorel-v2/

Hey I've been working on a Vorel Deck for a while, I'd really like to make it better.

A slight issue is I'm only running 32 lands, and I'm not sure I'm running enough ramp/mana double to compensate

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Working on a Scarab God deck, but for some reason it feels so slow. My average CMC is 3.03, but it just seems like I have few early game plays. I've gone with kind of a combo route with zombie stuff to shore up the gaps in between being able to combo, but it all feels... lacking to say the least. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm looking for some nice lower CMC tech or good early game strats. Or maybe I should double down on my current strat and add more mana acceleration. Any suggestions?

>>54634240
stax and graverob later

>>54634240
How much acceleration do you have? if you've got 10 or more pieces you probably don't need more

>>54634427
Chromatic Lantern
Dimir Signet
Mana Vault
Sol Ring
Talisman of Dominance
Ashnod's Altar (though that's more of a combo piece than a ramp card)

I don't typically play decks that are heavy on black (I usually run it as a splash color in 3 color decks), but I know I want it for all of that combo goodness.

>>54633951
Because this is 4chan you cunt

>>54634240
Post your list.

>>54634544
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-07-17-anH-the-scarab-god-edh/
At the moment, it's a rough draft at best. I've listed a few of the combos I had in mind when I was making it (admittedly some pretty basic bitch combos). Any advice is appreciated.

So are wizards guaranteed now? I was in the demons boat personally.

>>54634620
Yeah, Wizards are confirmed for sure now.

>>54634620
Read the thread, it's literally in the OP.

Or close your eyes and believe what you want.

>>54634654
OP cites no sources you fag
Thats why i was asking

>>54634669
>OP is an image of source
>B-but there is no source!

Yeah ok.
Keep closing your eyes and dreaming you got demons.

>>54634496
Yeah you should have some more ramp. Get Coldsteel Heart and your diamonds.

Also consider Training Grounds if you've got a decent mill package so you can 'eternalize' twice as much shit.

>>54633978
Thank you. That's a deal compared to $140 at a store.

>>54634751
I've got Training Grounds in there already, but the other suggestion is still solid.

>>54634387
I'd also like to hear what kind of stax or control pieces you think would fit into this deck. I tend to enjoy control decks that lead up to a combo instead of turboing into one immediately.

>>54634748
Oh yeh I forgot the part where I spoke Japanese
or whatever
fag
>>54634642
Thanks friend

>>54634583
Cryptic Cruiser
Oracle of Dust

There are other processors but these are the repeatable ones you can abuse.

>>54634583
Cut
>Consuming Aberration
>Crypt Ghast
>Solemn Simulacrum
>Dread Summons
>Exsanguinate
>Living Death
>Mind Funeral
>Doom Blade
>Ghostly Flicker
>Muddle the Mixture
>Mirage Mirror
>Heartless Summoning

I see where you're going with some of this stuff, like trying to get infinite mana off Ashnod's, Gravecrawler, and Rooftop Storm and Exsanguinating everyone, but it's not going to be consistent and it's not going to do you any good early game. Heartless Summoning ruins your own plans with that too. Milling your opponents and then playing Living Death is the opposite of a good time.

Some cards to consider:
>Embalmer's Tools
>Entomb
>Deep Analysis
>Disallow
>Murderous Cut
>Nightscape Familiar
>Phyrexian Altar
>Phyrexian Arena
>Read the Bones
>Reality Shift
>Stitch Together
>Treasure Cruise
>Wonder

You're a little wishy-washy with the zombie theme. Either commit to it and include stuff like Diregraf Colossus and Noxious Ghoul, or cut it and lean into UB Gravestuff.

>>54634952
My problem is that I don't really care for zombie tribal, but a lot of the good UB cards, especially for the combos I had in mind, happen to be zombies. I don't want to go full goodstuff either. I guess UB is just too odd of a color combo for me.

A couple of the cards you say to cut are pet cards (like Mirage Mirror) or meta calls (no one in my group plays black, so Doom Blade works well), but I'll give your other suggestions some thought.

I think I'll go for the zombie subtheme after all because if there's anything I like less than tribal, it's goodstuff. I made the mistake of making UG goodstuff before and it turned me off of the idea pretty hard. I appreciate the advice though, anon. You definitely gave me a lot more than I expected to get.

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>>54635035
If you do end up playing Embalmer's Tools, they make for a combo piece. It also works well with Corpse Connoisseur.

>>54635097
Spicy. I might just add that. Any other fun combos you know of with it?

>>54635035
The other option besides playing Zombies or Gravestuff is playing all the way into the Mill and Reanimation strategy, but Mill is even weaker than lifegain strats.

>>54634779
i dont play stax but i wanna try it out. all i got is this primer

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/204260-the-stax-primer

>>54635116
It's a bit silly, but if you have your pet card Mirage Mirror become a copy of it, you can use Dread Wanderer as a backup Gravecrawler. Could be fun with Soul of Innistrad or New Phyrexia too, I guess.

>>54635266
I've taken a look at that one before, but a refresher course never hurts. I'll see if I can glean anything useful from it for this deck.

>>54635279
Silly combos tend to be the most fun in my group anyway.

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>>54634583
This is a pet card of mine in Graveyard decks with Blue.

>>54635402
I completely forgot it exists even though I run it in my __Zur__ deck. It's such a nice card nice it has two useful modes.

>>54629916
Designing terrible commander products.

Been meaning to look for some good draw for prossh, I already have Fecundity and Phyrexian Arena, should I get Smothering Abomination? Is Greater Good worth running? Or should I try to find more creatures that make me draw so I could cast them with Food Chain?

Can Breya be built as a non-archenemy combo deck? I just wanna play a deck with a bunch of fun artifact synergy, but when I go to work on a list every time I don't end up with enough of a critical mass of artifacts. I find myself adding card draw, removal, wipes and countermagic and while there are artifact cards that provide those effects like the Spellbombs and Capsules I haven't been happy with my artifact count, any advice? My plan is to not play any of the expensive fast mana like Moxes and Crypt, and avoid Vault, with the hopes that dodging all the fast mana bar Ring will let the deck function at a lower power level. Running 4 Signets and Talismans is already insane anyways.

If I'm running shattergang brothers and I use them to sacrifice a creature, having 3 other players all sacrifice creatures, and I have a goblin sharpshooter on the battlefield, can I respond to the deaths of each of the 4 creatures with his ability so that he will untap 4 times?

>>54636847
The way I understand it, when they sac you get 4 untap triggers on the stack, and in between each resolving you may tap to ping when you receive priority. My grasp of the rules are a bit shaky though.

>>54636585
Breya can only be wombo combo or raidboss mode. Any good deck you make with her will hit critical mass and combo while the unworkable ones will be obvious.

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animar non-creature suite. missing anything? I can post creature list when I get off work. primal surge build just because so not looking for instant/sorc.

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>>54637762
Personally, I'm very fond of Seal of Primordium.

>>54637762
Are you playing any GY hate? I can only assume you have Scooze in your creatures.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary is pretty gas, I've seen it do great things.
Domri Rade is low on the curve and with your creature density is gonna draw you a card most of the time.

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>>54624728
my nigga