Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

Do we got the Total War novels in the mega archive?

>>54598376
Fun fact, that Norscan didn't die of injury, but all the blood rushed to his penis into a mega erection upon seeing Katarina. He died of being unconcious in the snow in a battle.

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Lol guys the RAPE MONSTERS are in total war!!!1 EPIC !!1!!!1

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>>54598418
You know, you have a point there even if you're joking - there's no blood splatter, no hint of crimson on the blade. She must have done some sort of ice attack if not a physical one.

Too bad they probably won't include her in Total Warhammer - they have a unique voice for Kislev on the diplomacy panel already.

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>>54598470
Laugh if you will, but I actually think they have a good design and would be fun to see, even if they're not!trolls instead of monstrous people. It's just a pity they got shafted in the wargame.

>>54598470
Fimir are not for rape, they are for cuddling.

>>54598472
>they have a unique voice for Kislev on the diplomacy panel already.
its a place holder

>>54598539
Are you sure? I mean, I know it's not set in stone and voice lines can be changed out, but it still feels like a waste. I kind of like listening to an angry Russian man go on about cold Kislev winters (I haven't played a game yet where there's been positive interaction or an alliance with Kislev).

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>>54598470
blog about it on your tumblr

>>54598614
Pretty sure, they just needed a generic Russian voice to mark Kislev as separate from the Empire. Katarina will swap in once they get to the Kislev dlc.

>>54598677
>tfw no frigid ice waifu to bully you

>>54598677
They'll probably both be Legendary lords. dimitry is the current leader though since they didn't want to bother giving him a unique model if there was a chance kislev wouldn't be a thing

>>54598677
So does Norsca DLC mean that Kislev/Tilea/Estalia/Border Prince DLC is no longer out of the realm of possibility? Think they'll even go as far Araby when they get around to Tomb Kangz?

Maybe even Cathay?[/spoiler

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>>54598778
Kislev is massively in demand. It had a full army in Warmaster and IIRC in regular Warhammer and the devs actually had to say 'no, it's not Kislev' officially before revealing Norsca, since people wouldn't stop asking.

>>54598778
Apparently they had to announce that the norsca DLC was NOT kislev so they're aware there's a sizable amount of demand.
As for border princes/estalia/tilea, the real question there is if there's an army list worth caring about there

>>54598809
There's also multiple mods that add in kislev as it's own unique faction. Other than brettonnia, I can't think of anyone else having such mods

>>54598533
>tfw ywn be held in your fimir bf's big strong arms as you two drift to sleep

It hurts

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>>54598854
It probably doesn't hurt that, not only did Kislev have its own model range, but unlike Araby there are a lot of things already in the game that work well for slapping together Kislev-like models already - most of the Empire units look close enough, and you take the hats off of some of the Goblins and add some other bits from Bretonnia and call it good.

>>54596761
>>54596735
>>54596570
The guy who said he had a WFRP game starting tonight unlisted his thing on Roll20. I'm thinking of just saying Fuck It and starting my own and seeing if one of the recruits wants to GM.

For the anons here -- I'll say that I generally prefer campaigns out of the book (with some of the necessary modifications that happen in an RPG). Prior, I've run The Enemy Within, a first edition campaign, which I modified for second edition, and it was fantastic. If anyone wanted to do that, all the better.

I'm also looking for 2e, something that works with East Coast US time, and weekends, preferably, though I can probably do weekday evenings.

I usually try to take roleplaying seriously and know a lot about the world (as I'm sure all of you do).

>>54598926
Didn't Araby have some models for Warmaster, and I think Man'O War? They also had a model in Dreadfleet. Which is more than what Cathay, Nippon, Ind, and Khuresh have gotten.

>>54598470
>>54598673
Actually, Fimir present an interesting experiment.

They're monsters of rape...but matriarchal, not overtly racist in any way, and tumblr fucking loves them sum cyclops.

I wonder whether tumblr ends up doing porn and chibi of them or complaining and calling for a boycott.

I honestly think it'll be the former.

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>>54599027
Oh yeah, they had all that. It'd be just a lot harder to mod them in with what's in Total Warhammer now. Maybe take the Men-at-Arms robes, color them black, give them some two-handed swords...I don't know. But right now there isn't even a place for them in the game.

Technically Nippon did get an Ogre. Well, an Ogre Maneater dressed like a samurai, but it was something. And Cathay got a kitbashed army featured in White Dwarf.

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>>54599553
Nippon did have a model range, but just for the early lore-light skirmish RPG days of Warhammer and for Warhammer RPG after that.

The old Citadel range is actually ridiculously expansive in ways most people wouldn't guess at. Like pic related, a non-Chaos ordinary circus.

If you considered each of these to be faction...

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>>54599740
Found one of the old Nippon adverts. I'm trying to find the one for the entire range.

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>>54599799
Well I can't find that advert, so I'll just leave it at this.

But yeah, they had enough models for basically two or three Regiments Of Renown back in the day. Even more if you consider the subcompanies that Citadel absorbed and their ranges.

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If I painted this red, would it be a good model for Finubar?

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>>54598376
Katarina a cute !
>tfw no ice witch gf to warm up as we cuddle under the bear furs

>>54599727
I have no idea why Creative Assembly decided to ass-fuck their own product and make their campaign maps unmoddable. This is why Medieval II is still the best. Fucking faggots.

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>>54599872
All I can guess is that they don't want anything getting fucked up if they chose to have an expansion or add a new faction, since a lot of that stuff just gets stuck right into the game as it is, far as I'm aware.

Or maybe they're afraid of what the modding community can do, and if they can't retain some official control there will be modders doing the equivalent of whole expansions that they think will take away business from them. Pretty sure it's just some business decision though.

>>54599872
Maybe it's a GW stipulation? Like how I heard naval battles won't be expanded because GW doesn't want TW to conflict with Man'O War.

I'd love to see a custom campaign map based off the Albion campaign GW did back in the 00s.

>>54599832
SLAMBO

>>54599970
THE ONE TRUE EVERCHOSEN OF CHAOS

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So on the advisor guy - I was happy with myself for finally noticing that not only did he have the obvious dwarf and Empire medallion, but a little one for Bretonnia as well and a pair of what I assume are orc teeth. But he also has something curly that looks like a fossilized sea shell on his shoulder - what is that supposed to be from? Can't find an actual picture of him offhand, unfortunately.

>>54599832
> Ohi Ninja

Nice pun, and cool that we potentially have a name for a semi-canon ninja clan.

>>54599953
Nah. They did the same thing with Rome and Attila. It's definitely Creative Assembly/Sega being faggots.

>>54600167
Wish I could read the names of the models.

>>54600226
Those should be from the old Citadel catalogs, which I know we have scanned somewhere. If not here they should be on Lost Minis Wiki.

>>54600167
I'd really do wonder what the GW take on India, China, Indochina, and Japan would've been like. But then again, maybe one reason they chose not to was because they weren't intimately familiar with those regions history and culture to do something interesting with it like they were able to combine Tolkien and Moorcock with the real life cultures they had chances to learn about (Norse, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Celtic, Slavic, French, German, etc)

>>54600351
Something more than racist pygmy tribes and junk from proto-Warhammer I hope.

>>54599727
To get ultra heretical I just headcanon (see: fanfiction) that some chaos boys from the north attacked Cathay and were driven east were they met a small colony of elves they proceeded to rape. And that's how the nobles were born.
As the years wore on the elves in between being slaves and used for r34 slowly weaned the men out of full chaos worship, which since most of them only did out of convenience it only took a couple generations, and then made them worship a bunch of random fucking things (yes human, that rock is a spirit. Everything has a soul!).
Parts of their former religion is still in the culture, such as red being the color of war, green of pestilence, blue for guile, and violet for the courtesans.
Since only the female elves weren't butchered and eaten they became the shrine maidens and all the noble houses can claim descent from them and swear loyalty to them and their gods.
The elves themselves don't want to see any other elves because the fact they were used for various ducked up hentai with humans is still a sore point.
They're a full empire with clans in constant competition for the grace of their spirit mother.

>>54600155
So I take it his getting kicked in the ass by Tzeench is canon?

>>54600394
I mean it was racist because it was a shallow interpretation of the culture it was based on right? And that's boring. So maybe they phased them out not just because of the racist aspects, but because it lead to something that was not particularly interesting. And that's why they never expanded upon what happened east past Ogre Kingdom's because of that. Warhammer was made by British nerds in the 80s, which meant they would've been more likely to have exposure to not just the various Western European mythology and folklore to draw upon, but also a good amount of Egyptian and Mesopotamian, and the Huns and various other Turkic invaders Europe had to deal with. How many of them would've had exposure to Oriental mythologies that they could add them to the Moorcock/Tolkien/Historical Fantasy mixing pot that Warhammer? Probably not many.

And I guess it did work from a narrative point of view, because it really does make the world seem bigger to not really have a clear picture of what goes on in Cathay, Ind, Nippon, and Khuresh.

>>54600351
>India, Indochina,
Tiger Beastmen and spice ports
>China
Cathay, pretty much Han era china
>Japan
1500's Sengoku Japan

>>54600590
Now now, judging from the time period China would probably be Ming or Qing. Probably Ming just because having a bunch of recent-takeover folks in charge wouldn't go well with most other races having kept control of themselves for centuries.

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How would a Vampire Count bloodline inspired by the Pillar Men be like?

What would their background be? And how would you explain their powers in a way that does not go too much against the general fluff of the Vampire Counts and the setting itself?

>>54601012
>How would a Vampire Count bloodline inspired by the Pillar Men be like?
I don't know anything about Jojo, so I'm going off their wiki.

The body-manipulation power is something that some Vampire Counts can do already, just make shapeshifting a more common Bloodline trait and represent it with constant Regeneration and the ability to take one upgrade like Flying or whatever for free.
Advanced Intelligence, just give them a roll to dispel a miscast.
Absorption would probably just improve their ability to regain a Wound after dealing damage, say that they get back one Wound at the end of very turn they are in base contact with an enemy.
"Elemental Battle Mode" is just magic and doesn't need its own rules.
"Ultimate Being" is more of a magic item than an innate power.

To balance that they become a more expensive Bloodline to be.

>What would their background be?
They came from the Americas. Its suspected based on cocaine found in ancient mummies as well as coins discovered on top of the basic idea of pyramid designs that Egyptians somehow had contact with South America. Given the real life connection between Egypt and China is why Neferata is tied to Cathay, just say that Nehekhara was raiding the coastlines of Lustria before their fall and after the vampirism she sent one of the first vampires to there to establish a permanent colony.

>And how would you explain their powers in a way that does not go too much against the general fluff of the Vampire Counts and the setting itself?
They found some Old One shit and altered themselves, then made a Bloodline using Norscan colonists. Dwarfs mostly wiped them out so there's only a few left.

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>tfw you get through a level in only half the time it normally takes with a PUG and they pick up the Tomes and Grimoires

>>54601171
Jojo Pillar Men made the Stone Masks originally to try and become the ultimate beings and go past their vulnerability to sunlight and Hamon. Unable to do so without a greater power source, however, they found that it made vampires, lesser beings of their own nature. Pillar Men are unique in that they're the top predators in the vampiric food chain and they feed on the vampires. They have decent shapeshifting abilities similar to other vampires but they can absorb a being not powered by Hamon with a mere touch.

>>54601171
Interesting, so I assume they battled with the Dwarfs of Karak Zorn?

I imagine that they may have also had some interactions with the Vampire Coast (if those guys were around at that time), and maybe the remnants of their Bloodline could make an appearance in a campaign set in Lustria where the plot involves exploring and discovering what happened to Karak Zorn.

>>54601335
Can't think of any way to make that work without shitting on lore.

Dark Elves invented Dark Magic, in older continuity because Slaanesh taught them and otherwise because they're assholes.

Nagash learned Dark Magic, then created Necromancy.

Neferata learned Necromancy, then with Arkhan's help created Vampirism.

That's a direct chain of events where nothing can be inserted.

Now you can say that they were possibly inspired by Abhorash curing his Vampiric weaknesses by being some of the first Blood Dragons, or were maybe inspired by hearing of the Blood Dragons. But you can't make them the first of anything but another Bloodline from one of Neferata's court without stepping on lore and cutting in.

Then again, Rick Priestley said the only canon is your own so do what you feel you want.

>>54601453
Oh no, i'm not saying change anything, i'm just detailing jojo just because you'll see it a decent amount around here.

>>54601412
That's an idea.

Maybe they end up the third faction fighting for control in the Southlands. Maybe all three want the same thing, some kind of mystical giant golden McGuffin from the Old Ones.

Warhammer ties into real world history/modern events and literary/pop culture work best, and Johannesburg in real life South Africa was founded specifically because of a gold rush in the 1880's. Maybe you can tie that in alongside Jojo?

I still want someone to make a Brexit/King Lear story.

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Why do you think that Witch Hunters of WFB aren't as popular as the Inquisitors of 40k?

>>54601847
40k got vidya, and they got a meme character in the form of The Redeemer as well as the wonderfully mematic HERESYBLAM and EXTERMINATUS which was posted just about everywhere for quite a while.
I don't say meme in a bad way mind you, rather things that become popular through mematic expression across mediums to the point that people unaware of the source are aware of the meme, and people discovering the source are thus more likely to give it a chance.

So since the 40k setting was more popular via widespread social media, the 40k meme faction became more popular.

Had some form of Vermintide come out around 2005 maybe the Witch Hunters would be more popular. Or maybe if The Redeemer was in a series of Mordheim comics instead of Necromunda ones. Or if Exterminatus referred to a village being torched instead. Or if Greatswords killing furfags had been shitspammed during the golden age of /b/ instead of Space Marines.

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>>Grand Theoginist Volkmar hasn't aged a day since his capture and torture by Be'lakor ten years ago. In fact, he seems younger, more virile and aggressive than ever. Between his more divine duties, the gossip mongers say he has his way with many beautiful young ladies.
What do.

This is a quest I want to give my WFRP group at some point. My contention being that Vokmar is host to a daemonic spirit that keeps him young and powerful, while also making him much more impulsive.

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>>54601985
>getting at Grand Theoginist Volkmar
holy fuck good luck

sounds like they'd either have to A) plan the assassination of the decade, spending a long time plotting just to finally execute something crazy

or B) worm their way into church politics to try to discredit and later expose him enough that the church takes care of it on its own

probably some of both

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>>54602072
This is a very late game quest, probably in their third career or so. I reason that Volkmar doesn't spend all his time at the cathedral or even in the Emperor's court (who is deathly ill in our timeline), but wooing other men's wives and breaking the hearts of young girls all over Altdorf. Ideally they shouldn't kill him, but convince him that something is terribly wrong with him and try to exorcise the daemon within him.

Although they could use it to their advantage as my group tends to pick a patron for their characters and dutifully takes part in the religious power-gaps of the Empire, specifically between Sigmar and Ulric.

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>>54602141
it won't exactly be hard to find high-ranking Sigmarite church officials who have noticed the change and who also vie for the title of Grand Theogonist

they could probably just find and support someone high ranking enough to try to take him out

>>54602275
I've taken that into account. While his behaviour isn't exactly saintly, he's the 'hammer' of Chaos. He may be an adulterer, but his success in rooting out cults, leading troops in battle and stifling civil unrest speaks for itself. He's just too popular to replace. There may be elements that want a return to the Esmer way of things, but it just wouldn't fly unless they knew what was really wrong with him. Basically it isn't what you know, it's what you can prove, and at that point nobody can prove anything that would deter him from his holy mission.

As far as I know there are no rules that prevent Sigmarite priests from taking wives and having children, even out of wedlock, at least in the WFRP books unless I missed it. I adhere to the Black Plague trilogy idea that Sigmar's priesthood don't have families because it can give an enemy power over them. Volkmar bedding thirsty Altdorf women doesn't break the rules, if only because of a technicality.

>>54602141
Luthor Huss ain't gonna like that

>>54602368
I've toyed with the idea that Huss is the one that sets the PCs down this path. He's gotten a bit older, a bit slower, but his once ideal pick for Grand Theoginist seems younger than ever.

Maybe he's just super jelly of that moustache.

>>54598778
>>54598809
>>54598827
Definitely within the realm of possibility, and I'd say probable, at this point. Not sure about Tilea/Estalia... but they do have stuff to do in the 'new world', so maybe.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kislev ended up being a free DLC down the road.

>>54599872
Procedurally generated maps with the current amount of data mean that it would take half a week to load the map every time you start the game.

>>54599740
damn those are awesome! so much character!

also
>£2.50 for 6
holy fuck!

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>vampire bloodline derived from mosquitos instead of bats
wouldn't that be awesome?

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>>54602862
That'd be fucking horrifying. If this is based on the two bloodlines that disappeared, I'm glad they did. I can't stand a tiny mosquito buzzing in my ear, let alone some macrovirus.

If things were right with the universe, Abhorash used them as training dummies.

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>>54602888
well, not just mosquitoes, also leeches and ticks. all the bloodsucking creepy-crawlies

>>54602918
Still, I hope the entire line is exterminated. Though I could see such creeps being aligned with the Strigoi, as unloved as they both are.

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>>54602968
but FB has no insect theme at all, it needs some. 40k at least has Tyranids

>>54603228
For good reason.

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>>54603296
there's no good reason
creepy-crawlies are cute

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>>54603315
BEGONE THOT

Just re-reading through Realm of Sorcery 2ed and I realised a few things that had never really leapt out at me before:

>Magisters don't actually own anything. Each Order is functionally it's own barony that the Magister serves and to whom all their worldly possessions belong.
>Wizards that you can play as in WFRP - even the high end guys - are not even close to being on the same level as guys you'd see in WFB. And that's intentional. They're a different order of mage that you can't even level up as.

>>54603346
The first line I tend to agree with. The second one, not so much.

A weird though came across my mind while I was bored, how would warhammer olympics go with every major faction participating?
Also do we know name of the planet warhammer fantasy is located in?

>>54603395
>vampires winning everything that involves physical strength
>elves winning everything that involves reflexes
>kenyans winning marathon
>jamaicans winning sprint
it would go pretty predictable

no, it has no name

>>54603395
It's simply the world

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>>54603395
>planet warhammer fantasy is located in?
Fated Place.

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>>54598470
ZOATS

WHEN

>>54603395
the elves call it "the fated place".

I like calling it mallus, but that would canonically be just the name of its core, and it's not WHFB canon anyway.


Does our world have a name?

>>54603558
I wonder if dragon ogres animations would work for them

>>54603569
Terra, Earth, Gaia.

>>54603370
Realm of Sorcery flat out spells it out. Battle Wizards are stronger than the wizards you can play as, and they don't include a career for it.

Makes sense though - none of the spells you can learn are really 'army' level. They also specify that Battle Wizards tend to have a short lifespan.

>>54599859
I hope they include Finubar as one of the High Elves remaining LL's alongside the queen.

His leader bonuses would be havily economic and other based around running the kingdom instead of for battle, also he would have an oh so slight reputation bonus with the dorfs.

>>54603583
Wizard lords are stronger than battle wizards

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I was thinking of getting some Lizardmen, is it worth it or will they be scrapped within the next couple of years then gone for good?

>>54598470
They should be man sized!!

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>>54599864
You know Katarina is literally as cold as ice right?
You'd be getting frozen trying to cuddle up to her.

>Maybe it's a GW stipulation? Like how I heard naval battles won't be expanded because GW doesn't want TW to conflict with Man'O War.
That's dumb.

>>54601012
Well the fact they consume other vampires would have to be included.
Also their many body-modification abilities are a side-effect of trying to surpass normal vampire limits and become truly 'perfect' beings.

notRipple Users would be really cool to have in Warhammer.

>>54603581
Those all translate roughly to "ground"


if I had to choose a new name I'd look for a way to translate "tabletop" into a short enough word in one of the setting's languages, but I'm not sure there're lexicons that inclusive.

>>54603587
I wish we had Finubar as a special character in tabletop

I also wish i could read in the lore about Tyrn sprerging out against the dwarf kings for some reason and Ungrim punching him in the dick while Finubar and Thorgrim try to remain cool

>>54603612
> if they're gonna get scrapped then it's all the best reason to buy them now

>>54603612
They look like they are there to stay

if anything I'd consider the not plastic stuff at risk

>>54603620
You should be man sized

>>54601847
Inquisitors are just so much more SWAG than witch hunters.
Power to do pretty much anything, retinues of badasses, their own pimp spaceship(s) and of course the fact most Inquisitors are superpowered badasses with their bionics and their archeotech and their psychic powers and their power armor etc.

A witch hunter can be badass but they can't be as badass as all that, or have the HURR EXTERMINATUS FOR NOT SAYING BLESS YOU AFTER A SNEEZE

>>54603632
Finubar isn't really that much of a fighter or mage. But fielding him allowing you to get some extra dwarven mercenaries sounds fun.

>>54603630
>planet name(s) are loosely based and originate from the surface beneath our feet
Welp. Guess we better stop calling our planet Earth.

>>54603713
Whats it going to be like when we meet other space civilizations and we tell them every name for our planet is "Dirt".
Its gonna be fuckin humiliating that's what it is, our only hope is they exterminate us on the spot to spare us the shame.

>>54603629
Her nephew was raped to death in prison and she didn't give a fuck, until she had to publicly.

Cold as ice.

>>54603683
>Power to do pretty much anything, retinues of badasses, their own pimp spaceship(s) and of course the fact most Inquisitors are superpowered badasses with their bionics and their archeotech and their psychic powers and their power armor etc.

if we had access to change the fluff we could fix it
>Power to do pretty much anything
>retinues of madmen
>their own pimp ship/chariot/steam machine/hot-air baloon/men pulled palanquin
>holy powered, buff badasses, lost limbs, artifacts, magic ability to use bound spells, huge armour

lost limbs are cooler than bionics

>>54603593
Don't think so. Battle wpWizard would be an additional career taken on top of being a Wizard Lord that would have specialised in giving them army scale abilities.

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>>54603395
Isn't that basically Blood Bowl?

>>54603739
Source?

>>54603725
imagine if they are as embarrassed as us because they did the same

>>54603752
The Ambassador Chronicles. It's clearly one book broken up into two, but it's still a great read.

>>54603771
Why was he locked up?

>>54601012
Maybe give them some sort of rule like flammable where they take double wounds from attacks that are flaming AND magical to represent hamon.

>>54603776
He made a few enemies before those that could protect him could act. He was raped and murdered by his fellow prisoners.

>>54603713
The point is that we don't need any particular name to call the warhammer world with.

the most logical would be something along those same lines.

>>54603725
Keep in mind we frequently name places '(name)'s Castle', 'Big Muddy River', and 'Silver Mountain', to name a few. Half of everywhere is named after a person. Humans are shit at naming things.

>>54603822
>Does our world have a name?
I provided three. That's my point.

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>You will never play Nigel Stillman and his 90s Bretonnian army.

>>54604003
>i'll never play anyone with their armies

Sad

Hey, I am writing a bit of a story on the writethread. Any tips would be appreciated.
>>54595420
>>54595798
>>54596205
>>54596579
>>54596854

>>54604050
Is it porn?

>>54604050
I have some advice but I'm too tired to dish it out, as I'm about to go to bed. If its still up in the morning I'll give you some feedback.

Fair warning: I can be rough.

>>54603632
>>54603700
we could use some non-wizard support characters
for instance

>M5 WS5 BS5 S4 T3 W3 I5 A2 Ld10
>Royal Armour of Ulthuan
>4+, 5++, 3+ vs Shooting
>Phoenix Scepter
>+1S, ArP(1), Flaming Attacks
>Crown of Aenarion
>May force a single unit within 18" pass or fail a Ld test once per game.
>can ride a barded elven steed or a chariot

>Glory of Ulthuan
>Radius of Finubar's Inspiring Presence and his Battle Standard Bearer's Hold Your Ground! are increased by 6".

>Colours of Ulthuan
>If units Finubar and his BSB can have a standard bearers, those Standard Bearers may purchase magical banners (50 pts per unit max)


>Calm Ruler
>Calming political influence Finubar exerts on the nations of the world is felt even on the battlefield. Enemy units within 18" of Finubar lose Frenzy and may not gain Frenzy as long as they remain within 18" of him.
>In addition, enemy Dwarfs count as having rolled 1 on Ancestral Grudge table. No unit in Finubar's army may take Beard Banner.

>King's Retinue
>As long as there are any White Lions, White Lion Chariot or Korhil models within 6" or in the same unit as Finubar, no wounds can be allocated to Finubar. Instead, wounds are allocated to White Lion models. They gain 6+ Regeneration save against them, as they refuse to fail their sacred charge to protect their king.


Not a figher or a wizard, but a defensive support powerhouse.

>>54604067
eventually
>>54604075
Sure.

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>>54604075
I can give a bit as I'm just about to pass out. You write like I do.
Actually I should probably write later when I'm more or less sober.

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follow up from my Lizardmen question, i'm getting them now, they look cool.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Seraphon-Paint-Bundle
is that pretty much all the paints ill need or would you recommend some extra?

>>54604089
What is this shit

Finubar as best elf should only be statted in the best edition, 6th ed.
Now get to work, you tyrion lovin' pansy

>>54604089
>>Crown of Aenarion
The what? I thought after a certain idiot king rode with the crown of the high elves into battle his successor made it a rule that no phoenix king ever wears it again when fighting.

>>54604165
Much like a certain idiot king got himself killed and had the crown taken by some dwarf fellow

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>>54604165
ah, my bad
make it cloak then
or talisman
or whatever

>>54604156
but Finubar deserves a good model, worthy of his WAR concept art, but 6th Ed. elf models were ugly like all hell
also, T9A

>>54604187
Nobody plays T9A
>6th edition elf models
>ugly

Anon i'll beat your ass

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>>54604187
Finubar is usurper.

>>54604197
are you seriously saying HE Archers are not one of the uglies models ever?
or do you enjou monkey hands of spearmen?
or maybe you'll say that shapeless lumps of tin that are 6th Ed. Dragon Princes are somehow better than incredebly elegant and perfectly detailed current Dragon Princes?

>>54604208
That'it, it's going into the book of grudges!

Srly tho i grew up with those models and barring the archers i'd take old white lions and phoenix guard over the new ones every day

>been looking for fitting halberds and shields for Grave Guard conversions
>chaos shield with skull seemed nice, but was very difficult to recast
>couldn't find any fitting halberds
>began to despair
>suddenly a Reaper Bones 3 kickstarer finally arrives after a shitton of delays
>it contains a sprue of undead weapons I bought and forgot about at all
>it has perfect shield and perfect halberd, easy to recast

Praise Reaper!

>>54604206
Shut up you slaanesh-worshiping edgelord

>>54602862
Those exist in the rpg canon, but
>rpg

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>>54604242
Dark Prince is not my god, Khaine and Atharti not Khorne and Slaanesh ok, praise Kaela Mensha.

Call me a madman but as of now i decided to ignore any lore after 6th ed

I liked ot better when things were simpler and dark elves were simply chaos elves

>>54604150
It depends on how you want to paint.

>>54604425
just a regular old Lizardmen scheme, not a great painter so i'm keeping it safe here.

>>54604242
T R U E K I N G

>>54604390
You're not fooling anyone you chaos bitch

>>54601847
Witch hunters weren't really a thing in fantasy until recently, and then it was just the inquisitor/heresy! mindset transplanted from 40k, which doesnt really work for the setting.

Inquisitors work in 40k because they can wipe out a planet just to be sure and no one bats an eye because the empireum is so vast it doesn't matter.

>>54604455
Malekith is not my king. The shores of ulthuan must be washed in the blood of edgelords. Finubar and Eltharion not Tyrion and Morathi ok. Praise Asuryan

>>54604505
Are you stupid? There are literally all sorts of witches and undead to hunt and cultists to purge from Empire society.

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>>54604206
I'm hoping for mods to make him look more like pic related. For the face at the very least.

>>54604514
Yes, but a witch hunter is just a specialized servant to the empire who knows how to fight that shit, versus inquisitors wiping out a whole planet because they rediscovered 8 spoked wheels. They work on an adventuring level, but not on a "I have my own private army and no one will give a shit if I wipe out a whole city." Its the difference between van helsing and Frolo if Frolo had raped the girl and burned down Paris and for him it was Tuesday.

A story about an inquisitor is inevitably about the power he wields and/or his fall from grace, while a which hunter's story is inevitably about the monster he's hunting. That or he's so shit at his job he's killing innocents in a world where better-safe-than-sorry isn't justification for wholesale slaughter.

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>>54591961
> [...] but for making a Slaaneshi warband, what would be a good substitute for Chaos Warriors? [...]

You could base them on a box of Kairic Acolytes if you want to go the fabulous beefcake-route. All you'd really need to change would be to give them new heads and perhaps slaneeshi-themed shields.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Kairic-Acolytes

Depending on the theme of your army, basing your warriors on Empire Greatswords might look really good. I could certainly see how an Empire Lord and his retinue could fall into Slaaneshi worship.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Empire-Greatswords
This little fella' here would make a great leader for an imperial Slaanesh-unit. The whole model just screams pompousness.
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=63&prodname=Imperial+Marshal+with+shield&id=118&Itemid=53

If you want something a bit more bdsm-loving-that-leather-look then I'd suggest checking out AoW's barbarian-unit: http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl12&prodname=Barbarians+with+shields&id=118&Itemid=53

A more elegantly uniform idea would be to make your warriors out of Delves' Black Guards. I would presume that they would look great with Warriors of Chaos helmets.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Dark-Elves-Black-Guard-of-Naggarond

If you want a more feral, dionysian theme then I think that Bestigors would fit the bill, particularly if you added some Slaaneshi icons and a barrel or two of wine to the unit.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Bestigors

>>54604732
Stormcast with spikes, flayed skin and mutations would fit Slaanesh too. They also have bare Fabio heads.

>>54604732
Chaos armor painted in any color except black looks ugly as shit.

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>>54604769
I mean this guy is already Sigvald expy.

>>54604804
I'd steal that head for a Slaaneshi Chaos warlord.

>>54604804
>quite literal BOLT PISTOL

>>54604804
>ammo gets in the way of the vertical crossbow limbs

...why?

>>54603683
So it is meme cringe40k magic that makes em "special".

>>54603819
>>54603771
>>54603739
Is that in our archive? I need all the info I can get on Kislev that isn't outdated WFRP 1e garbage.

Honestly it doesn't surprise me, since ice witches are almost always callous due to their power and Katarina is the most powerful in living memory, possibly ever. Plus she seems deliberately designed to evoke some of Russia's 'enlightened tyrant' leaders.

>>54604374
>RPG canon
>Soon to be the only officially supprted Warhammer canon other than Bloodbowl.

>>54605124
Not the worst of all possible worlds, really.

>>54603228
>but FB has no insect theme at all, i
Forest goblins.

>>54605124
What about a Bloodbowl roleplaying sysyem?

>>54601985
This was one of many 'greater picture' background details in my last game, and still technically is in this one. The Cult of Sigmar is in a crisis due to Volkmar's strange and miraculous return, and some disturbing details despite his apparent immunity to the Jade Griffin. Some of these elements are genuinely people who are afraid he's fucky and tainted, but others are just corrupt or less militant Sigmarites who want Volkmar to go and stay gone, prefering exiled Esmer's rule. With Valten dead at a murderer's hands, Volkmar's administration is also on unsteady ground, since he gets proxied into arguments over Valten's divinity - some argue that, if he WAS the incarnation of Sigmar, it should have been impossible to kill him (in our game, he actually defeated Archaon, albeit while being nearly mortally wounded).

For his part, Esmer is being given the evil eye since it's been alleged that it was his Church-in-exile that had Valten murdered, an accusation he denies. And after all, torture someone enough and they'll say anything. Esmer for his part is furious at an attempted assassination on HIS person by - he alleges - the Cult in the Empire. Seeing as Sigmar is still a very popular god in Marienburg, it has people there riled, as they see the Empire as meddling in their and religious affairs.

The powers that be in Marienburg are presently very much regretting giving Esmer sanctuary, but right now they can't afford to kick him out and look weak. The elves are a dubious defensive quantity just now, what with another chapter in their civil war calling most of their forces to battle. They're acting tough and aloof and praying that Karl-Franz is sane and canny enough to keep from being forced into a revenge war or trying to absorb Marienburg for pure profit.

>>54602862
>>54602918

Some of the powers detailed in Night's Dark Masters for vampires, especially unaligned ones, are heavily themed around vermin. The bloodline in Araby, while never officially published, would have literally crawled with flesh-eating and blood-sucking insect life.

Is Ebay the best place to pick up discontinued WFB miniatures and where do all those chinky recasters hang out?

>>54605149
spider ain't insects
no winged buzzy stingy crawlies

>>54605328
Nurgle then.

>>54605194
Why make a new system? A Bloodbowl splat for WFRP would do the trick.

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>>54605000
>Age of Sigmar

>>54605309
Seconding this question

>>54603725
You think other sapient species won't name things stupid shit?

>>54598673
this is high art

>>54598673
But... but the axe is literally glowing red. How could Krell not notice it?
And how on earth does a skellington feel heat?
In if he can in fact feel heat, why didn't he feel it before his hand connected with the axe?

This picture makes absolutely no sense.

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>>54604769
Yeah, that's a good idea aswell, allthough I'd probably use them as Chosen due to their size.

>>54604770
Don't spout lies

>>54606089
>That guy in the back with his cloak
Fabulous as fuck

>>54606089
>those conversions
I nees to know how

>>54606089
the ones without chestpiece and a single pauldron kinda work

>>54606089
Painting chaos armor anything but black makes them look like space marines.

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>>54606478
I thought black is only for Archaon's fuckboys.

>>54606508
>those names
holy fuck

>>54606542
What you don't like sir giggles the appliance?

>>54606508
SLAMBO

>>54606310
Got the pic from the ninth age forum's gallery. It's under Warriors of the Dark Gods' Once-Chosen. You might find the name of the converter there who you can ask.

>>54606508
>LUDMILLA LOINRIPPER

>CHENGHIS CRUMP

>>54606508
some of those models are actually pretty cool even by modern standards

>>54604732
Thank you so much!
>>54604769
I was actually thinking of doing this. I love the idea of Slaaneshi chosen looking like huge, destructive versions of Mordred from the Excalibur movie.

>>54606508, >>54606864
From now on my WFRP characters will be harried by a deadly Chaos Warrior named SLAMBO.

Any news on the Bigben Studios upcoming WFB game? Supposed to be something along the lines of an RPG/hack n slash (third person perhaps?)

>>54607769
Whoa, I've heard nothing about it at all. Source?

>>54607865
https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/03/23/943689/0/en/BIGBEN-INTERACTIVE-Partnership-with-Games-Workshop-for-Warhammer-Fantasy-Battles.html

>>54600184
It has something to do with the tools they use to make the maps. It's been explained at some point - they want to do it, but they can't due to the licensing agreements.

>>54607748
Not Arnie SlicerNecker?

You guys might be interested in this, it's a presentation from last year's Ropecon (a Finnish roleplaying convention) by Tuomas Pirinen, the guy who invented Archaon, about designing Chaos armybooks. It's in English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnfo-cegsG4

>>54607716
No problem buddy, post your updates!

>>54608361
>WFB world is in 40k

I have always fucking hated this idea

>>54608484
It definitely cheapens the setting as a whole. Parallel universes always worked better.

>>54608510
>Parallel universes always worked better.

What difference does it make?

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>>54608361
>Suomi))))

>>54608533
They have similarities but exist apart from each other.

>>54608564
But trans-universal travel is possible, so it's functionally the same.

>>54608579
There's a big difference between a ritual that can summon one Chaos Space Marine and literally living in 40ks back yard.

>>54608612
How?
>A space ship comes through the warp

Same shit.

>>54608533
It allows for the creation of specific lore and development for the settings.

There are paradigms that work in one but not the other.

Trying to get a Warhammer Fantasy RP 2e game going on Roll20 -- but apparently you can only publicly list your game if you're a Premium member of Roll20? What kind of faggy shit?

>>54608361
Oh, so that's how you pronounce Blanch. I pronounced it correctly first, but then I thought that it's pronounced Blank and began saying it like that.

>>54608819
Really? Weird. Guess I never knew since I just poached people from these Generals.

>>54608845
Are you the dickhead who posted your game here and refused to answer me and instead answered the dude who was going on holiday?

Also -- accordingto Roll20, Free Members are supposed to be able to host 2 active listings. But when I try to do it, it says I have to be a Plus or Premium member. Fucking Roll20.

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>>54608868
I don't think so? The last person I recruited is still playing with my group, his was the only serious inquiry.

>>Fucking Roll20
At least some artists make it really easy to steal icons. $5 a pack adds up really quickly. At least have bundles with a price cut.

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Imagine if you will that when Aenarion took up the Sword of Khaine, he wasn't damned to die by it. Imagine if Khaine had said "You know what, you're doing good, you can live", and Aenarion continued his warpath on Chaos.

Now, 7th ed explicitly says daemon and god alike were trembling at the face of Aenarion's wrath. When he fights the most powerful daemon in existence, Khorne's Bloodthirster, it's said the Bloodthirster didn't stand a chance again Khaine's blade and gets cloven in two.

7th ed tells us that Aenarion is not to be fucked with, and that the Dark Gods themselves were nervous about him. After all, even before his rage on the Greater Daemons it was said that with Khaine's sword he was killing thousands upon thousands of other daemons singlehandedly. Well, with his dragon pal.

Aenarion is one of the most proficient fuckers-over of Chaos in history, and one of the only mortals (even if he had the help of two Elven gods) they've been scared of. Alright, that's established.

So now picture, if you will, Aenarion continues. He's got the power of Asuryan and Khaine with him, and he survives the curse. He lives, and he goes all the way north. Not even just north, no, he goes into the realm of Chaos itself.

I don't believe that any of the Dark Gods would want to challenge him one-to-one.

Except Khorne.

So now, at the end of all things, Aenarion, burning with the flame of Asuryan and brandishing the god-killing sword of Khorne's own (speculative) brother, duels the God of Blood himself at the Brass Citadel.

Even if Khorne was among those worried by Aenarion, he wouldn't dare refuse the challenge.

How would it go? Who would win between the greatest warrior in Fantasy's history and the strongest of all the Dark Gods?

>>54608954
I just import my own icons for this reason.

And when does your group play? I've been Forever-GM for my group of real life friends and would like to enjoy it as a player for once.

>>54609043
fuck this gay elf shit

>>54609043
What if the four Chaos Gods do a fusion dance?

>>54609043
*stand a chance against

Anyway, my idea is

Aenarion loses, but it'll go very similar to the duel of Morgoth and Fingolfin in the Tolkien legendarium. Khorne will be far more powerful overall, but Aenarion will be full of righteous rage and speed. He'll wound Khorne multiple times, fill the skulls of the Skull Throne with the Dark God's blood, but he will tire out, Khaine's damnation will kick in, and to preserve the balance of Chaos and its enemies, he won't be allowed to win. Khorne will strike him down, but only after Aenarion leaves one last grievous wound on the Blood God that sends his howls of pain echoing throughout the world.

The daemons will not boast nor brag of that duel, and the permanently-scarred Khorne will become incensed whenever it is mentioned, slaying follower and enemy alike should they bring it up.

>>54609043
>Implying Grimnir isn't the greatest warrior
Four greater demon ? For Aenarion that what the greatest fight of his life, for Grimnir, it was tuesday.

>>54609043
>How would it go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aB6CPyO0Ww

>>54609073
Tbh I think if it came down to it the Chaos Gods would dogpile Aenarion if he tried to fight them. He'd probably fuck them up but there's no way he could win or even do that well against all four. In a mano y mano showdown I think he could probably defeat Slaanesh and Nurgle. Tzeentch would do some magic shit or make Aenarion go ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN, and Khorne would probably end in the way >>54609081 is described.

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>>54609043
I'd have to agree with >>54609081
Aenarion was literally a super saiyan that beat the shit out of daemons with his bare hands and skullfucked them afterwards, but gods aren't entities that you can kill. They're a nebulous idea that has a sort of shape in the Realm of Chaos. It's like trying to stab an idea or a dream. Still, Aenarion would kick some teeth in before he went down.

>>54609050
Sundays. We're not playing today because my brother was invited to play golf with his boss and we really don't like continuing with someone absent. Also fuck you, elves are kewl.

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>>54609043
>>54609081
>>54609104
This fits too fucking well.

>"And on that day, the Blood God knew fear."

>>54609134
>It's like trying to stab an idea or a dream
Not exactly an unknown feat in fiction

>>54609134
1. Do you have a spot available?

2. What kind of game is it? What's the tone? Do you run campaigns out of the book?

3. Do you have any elves in the group?

>>54609043
Aenarion would share fate of Gimnir and battle daemons for eternity.

>>54609043
>Now, 7th ed explicitly says daemon and god alike were trembling at the face of Aenarion's wrath.

Post the image and page number.

>>54609134
>>54609152
It may be possible since Khaine's sword is said to be able to kill gods, the reason the chaos powers get scared of Aenarion.

Fuck, imagine if Fantasy Khaine wasn't a passive prick and liked the elves and didn't have sympathy for his evil-possible-chaos-bro. Aenarion's about to lose when suddenly MOTHERFUCKING KHAINE appears, takes up his own sword, and tells Khorne

"No."

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>>54609152
Perhaps, but the only way to truly defeat the Chaos Gods, or any god, would be to kill everybody. If Nagash ruled over a dead world where nothing changes, nobody feels, they'd have nothing empowering them. No war, no ambition, no fear of death, no excessive behaviour. It's just how deities work in the setting.

>>54609171
1. We may, I've got five people for the campaign I'm writing which needs to be ready in approximately three months.

2. The current game is about reversing a djinn wish that flooded the world. It's a very long story. It has some light hearted elements but also we ran into Settra and thankfully had some guys to throw under the bus. We never run adventures out of the books.

3. We have one, he's a Marienburg elf that finds discretion is the better part of valour.

>>54609194
Indraugnir should be the one to aid him, as he was the only voice Aenarion actually listened to.
Get up, old friend, there are still daemons to annihilate!

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>>54609184
"A weapon of terrible power, the Sword of Khaine had waited, embedded in the great black Altar of Khaine since the beginning of time. As old as the world, it was the ultimate weapon, death made manfiest - a splinter of the fatal weapon forged for the death god Khaela-Mensha-Khaine, capable of slaying mortals and gods alike." P. 17
"When he returned to the fray, his power was without match. None who stood before him could prevail for his arm was strengthened by the Creator God and in his hand he bore Widowmaker, and gods and Daemons trembled at his wrath." P. 18

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>>54609236
What I like most about it is that it changes shape depending on who views it. Aenarion saw a sword, Caledor a lance, Malekith a sceptre.

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>>54609236
So it says gods but not the Chaos Gods exactly.

You missed a crucial detail. The Elves were losing the war even with Aenarion and his sword.

>>54609148
>just realized the song is about melkor-fingolfin's duel
>example of aenarion's fate was the melkor-fingolfin duel

>>54609259
Aenarion didn't think they were losing either. He had no goal other than killing every last creature of Chaos in existence. The Elves were being overwhelmed by literal millions of daemons, but Aenarion was slaughtering them by the legions. To him, he was winning.

>So it says gods but not the Chaos Gods exactly.

niggaplease.jpg

>>54609259
You missed a crucial detail as well: but

>>54608666
Because alternate universes in settings where continuity is only a suggestion was the intent of the creator of both.

Nobody is supposed to take the canon seriously. Alternate universes just meant hecould make Judge Dredd jokes in Fantasy and Conan jokes in 40k.

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>>54609295
And text says he was lost to madness. The Elves were doomed and so was he. The world was going be consumed and he was too dumb to see it.

>nigga
>mfw when racism

Nope, the Chaos Gods have nothing to fear from a weakling that was killed by Four Greater Daemons despite having the power of Khaine and Asuryan flowing through him. It's pretty much says that during the fight the Dragon had to chip in to save him. Your wanking ends here.

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>>54609344
Thrud canonically killed Khorne.

>>54609295
>Aenarion didn't think they were losing either.

Yes he did, hence why he went to help Caledor.

>Aenarion was slaughtering them by the legions.

The Great Unclean One he fought had the best of him and would have killed him where it not for his Dragon intervening. He was tough but not close to immortal.

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>>54609344
It's been a while since you showed up in these parts.

Carnac

>>54609309
>Because alternate universes in settings where continuity is only a suggestion was the intent of the creator of both.

Nope. Fantasy was part of the 40k universe when 40k was concived. It was a world in Slann space.

>>54609406
[Citation Needed]

>>54609419
Realm of Chaos.

>>54609419
N'kari's old backstory in 40K heavily hints that the fantasy world existed in the 40K universe

>>54606310
the bodies seem to be a mix of stormcast liberators and khorne's skullreapers

cape guy has bits from the chaos chariot, middle guy looks like he has a tomb king's sword I see heads from the chaos spawn, a bloodletter, some hellstriders (from whom also comes the barbed spear), a very old school daemonette's big meaty claw, forsaken bits for the guys on the right and some chaos knights' weapons here and there.

for the best results I'd recommend finding skullreapers torsos, liberators legs and one pauldron and make heads and weapons from the hellstriders

for shields either the hellstriders or the curcular ones for stormcasts that get sold separately, filing off the symbol on it if needed.

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>>54609444
Counterpoint, 40k existed in a box on a Wizard's shelf in White Dwarf.

>>54609419
>>54608361

>>54609406
>>54609444
One of the worst-received parts of lore that GW dropped and fans agreed to ignore since it was optional anyway and purely put in as GW said so you could use minis and rules of both universes in either universe.

>>54609259
>So it says gods but not the Chaos Gods exactly.

but carnac, all gods are the chaos gods :^)

>>54609529
>GW dropped

Don't lie. GW never dropped it.

>>54609540
Wrong, Chaos Gods are not gods.

But Chaos Gods are omnipotent and are gods.

But then they'd tremble, which means they're not gods.

But... but they're gods because..

They can't, because they'd be...

They

THEY

>*carnac explodes*

>>54609529
>lore that GW dropped

GW never dropped it though.

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>>54609419
White Dwarf 87 page 59.

>>54609505
Do you have a crop of where it's written or the WD number? I'm kinda curious to read this

>>54609572
Doesn't say Fantasy is a planet.

>>54609540
Nope, shards of the Chaos Gods that broke off and developed their own sentience and personality.

Your offspring are not you unless you eat them.

>>54603629
That puts some new perspective on how in the End Times Karl Franz flew with Katarina on his griffon to stop some mauraders.

>>54609556
>>54609569
They certainly didn't continue it until WH End Times.

It's a fucking stupid addition of fluff that doesn't make any sense anyway. And it was optional.

I ignore it, Carnac. How's it feel?

>>54609592
>The Warhammer Fantasy world and WH40k share the same universe

>>54609602
I'm going to PSA right now to ignore him from this point forward.

This is Carnac. This is your enemy. He isn't here to discuss Warhammer, he's here to bait.

Even if he posts the most unbelievably ridiculous things, do not respond to him.

He's been doing this for nearly three years and he'll keep doing it so long as people reply.

If you see any post relating to Bel'akor, the Chaos Gods being the only gods or unstoppable, Age of Sigmar or End Times lore talk or arguments on a Warhammer Fantasy thread, or similar things, do not reply. It is Carnac, he is baiting you, you are taking the bait.

>>54609609
Nope, Liber Chaotica featured it heavily. Also when people asked the WD about if the Old Ones are the one and the same in both setting. He said maybe. GW never denied or changed anything about the connectivity of both settings.

>>54609609
Old Ones had 40k wargear in the 6th edition and Liber Chaotica had a person from Warhammer witness 40k events.

>>54609621
Doesn't say same planet or reality.

>>54609602
shards of gods are not gods, they are shards of gods

the chaos realm is home to only four gods :^)

>>54609609
>They certainly didn't continue it until WH End Times.

Yes they did.
Albion, Liber Chaotica, the Daemon books, it never went away.

>It's a fucking stupid addition of fluff that doesn't make any sense anyway. And it was optional.

It's optional in the way all canon is optional, but that doesn't mean it's not canon.
And how is it stupid? The Slann were long time space frogs.

>>54609664
>Lies about Aenarion and goes back and forth in his wankery. Says he can beat the Chaos Gods and khorne a junk.
>Get shown that Aenarion was losing the war. Get shown that Aenarion was mortally wounded in the battle which featured his dragon saved him from near death
>Proceeds to strawman

How many times does this make it when your lies were revealed?

>>54609688
See

>>54609664

I don't want to tell you how to post but I can tell you the anon you're talking to right now is either the same anon or a copycat who's been doing this running personality, who we call Carnac, for a few years at the least.

Every reply is you taking his bait. Ignore him. It's your only defense.

>>54609688
>Slann are extra-terrestrials

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Guys.

Fantasy can't exist in 40k, or else End Times would have destroyed 40k and Sigmar's Bizarre Adventure would involve Primaris and Yvraine.

>>54609688
It says same universe.

>>54603337
DEUS VULT!

>>54609691
Yes, they are. The Chaos Gods are the Greater creator Gods. The main Pantheon which formed the lesser pantheon.

>the chaos realm is home to only four gods :^)

If you gonna quote ADB complete all his quote. Seriously you are being very dishonest. The quote completes with the Chaos Gods and all who are spawned of them and made from them. Daemons and lesser gods.

>>54609727
This is true.
End Times retconned Fantasy into it's own universe, so if you don't like 40k and Fantasy in the same universe there's always End Times and Age of Sigmar.

>>54609736
Literally can't be, or Archaon would outrank Abby.

Resist the temptations to reply friends no matter how wrong and stupid his posts can be. Don't reply and you'll be the better for it. Just remember that all of it is shitbaiting.

So, on the topic of Warhammer II, Skaven reveal when?

>>54609609
Just to add to the list of crossovers: There's a story in Tales of the Old World where an imperial sorcerer flies through the realm of chaos on a disc of tzeentch and hops in and out of different portals.

On of the portals leads to what is quite clearly an Eldar craftworld. I think another one was a Necron tomb world but that was less explicit.

>>54609727
Chaos destroyed the WHFB planet. It didn't destroy the WHFB universe. The Slaan fled into space, the core of the old world was flung into space, and Archaon chilled on the fragments of the old world before the Chaos Gods picked him up.

>>54609797
>no matter how wrong and stupid his posts can be

In this case he's very much correct though.

>>54609664
>nearly three years
I have good reason to believe he's been on this board since 2010, since he's probably the Blood Feud-fag and later on TIDF.

>>54609796
Not in the past. This was before the time of Archaon and 6th ed.

>>54609796
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/288356.page
>Gav: Regarding Archaon and spawn, it’s time for me to wheel out a well-worn rant! People need to stop attributing human notions of success and failure to the Chaos Gods. Players have focussed on a very specific rules incident that’s been around a while – a fleeing Champion gets turned into a Spawn – and created an entirely warped (ha ha!) idea around what the Chaos Gods think of mortals. A Spawn is a Champion that has been given too many gifts! It is not a punishment… Archaon in particular has survived a long time without any significant mutation at all, and for all we know the Chaos Gods don’t really care about him one way or another.

>>54604050

I continued this story here. Any thoughts or ergegious lore mistakes? Thoughts, Opinions?

>>54604791
>>54604969
>>54607593
>>54608857
>>54609476
>>54609829

>>54609776
Or do as Priestley says and make your own canon.

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>roughly ten thousands years since the departure of the old ones and the explosion of the pole portals
>there's already slaanesh and evolved humans
>humans and slaanesh don't happen until over 60 millions years after the extinction of the old ones

if we assume there's time dilatation and enough spatial distortions to not allow stuff to come into the warhammer world reliably, this one ends up practically being part of a different universe connected to the warp

it's not like the old ones' empire didn't traverse multiple realities, it wasn't a single galaxy

>>54609816
>Literally no stars left

Universe status: [x] Destroyed

>>54609833
That'd make a lot of sense, though I know "Carnac" has been the name associated with him since 2013 or 14. It was right as the End Times started picking up that he started stirring up shit.

>>54609875
Then have no one to discuss it with because no one cares about your fanfiction.

>>54609823
My man, WHFBfags are mostly underage cretins who haven't immersed themselves in the lore like true scholars such as me and a few others. They don't care about the truth. They love their delusional modern view of what WHFB must have been like before the End Times. It's SAD.

>>54609913
Pls care about my fanfic here
>>54609869

>>54609763
>made from them.
made OF them, carnac; chaos is just the 4 ;^)

>>54609905
I think he just picks on spots of controversy in the lore and keeps picking at it while cherrypicking lore and saying it's the rule rather than exception.

>>54609895
You can see stars in the final pictures of the Oak being dissolved and core flying into spess.

Also the Slaan used the stars to navigate their ships.

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>>54609727
According to modern GW they are same.

>>54609929
FROM THEM. Some gods essences were stolen from the fabric of Chaos.

>chaos is just the 4

And their extended family which features minor gods.

>>54609892
They said Old Ones traveled space and time.

>>54609926
I don't and I am no the anon you are talking to.

>>54609938
To be honest we're probably stroking his eboner by talking about him like he's some great ancient /tg/ threat, when in reality he's one or several chuckleheads getting a rise out of people over the internet.

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>>54609997

>>54609957
Multiverse.

>>54609957
It's just one jackass anon who is vehemently against 40K and fantasy connecting despite the overwhelming evidence. It's just pure autism

>>54609957
>chaos can't even manage its infinite troops to fight 2 realities at the same time

embarrassing

>>54609949
Text says stars faded, nothing left.

>>54609977
OF THEM

it's just chaos playing the extended family bullshit with socks on their hands

>>54610125
Even more sad, they can't win a Blood Bowl cup either.

>>54610159
>>how can Chaos ever recover

>>54610084
The connections were optional and don't make much sense all things considered.

It's possible that, gasp, GW did it to make more money.

Fantasy's gods are weaker, have different origins, and different personalities from their counterparts in 40k. They don't blend well.

GW could come out and say the universes are connected and I can't argue and can't believe anything else, but I'd still believe otherwise, because I like Fantasy and I like 40k, but I do not like Fantasy with 40k.

We all ignore the End Times and Age of Sigmar too, so it's not much of a stretch.

Is it perhaps worse for you to get so angry that people like something that you don't or dislike something that you like?

>>54610125
If anything they are less of a threat than the Tyranids

>>54610135
You mean were obscured for a moment because of the Warp rifts unmaking the world.

Guess what happened when the Great Rift in 40K was birthed? All stars from the skies of Imperial worlds went dark. The galaxy was in total darkness. Did the 40K universe get destroyed and rebuilt? No. The Rift cleared off and the stars were visible again in the skies of a thousand thousand worlds.

>>54610237
So where on a star chart can you put the near infinite realms?

>>54610211
>but I'd still believe otherwise

And you'd be wrong.
All you need to do is admit you're wrong, and then not get butthurt if this fact is ever brought up again. You can go on pretending in your own time, but here we can only accept canon.

>>54609727
Why would it even matter? It's not lke whfb and 40k had any interaction

>>54610266
I'm right, though.

>>54610211
>The connections were optional

As optional as anything else in the lore like the Or(c/ks) being green. The Chaos Gods origins were never discussed in detail in fantasy when 40K came into the picture. They just came as the portals exploded.

If you want to ignore stuff and form your own headcanon, then stick to your corner. You don't get to lecture us about the setting's history and what was dropped or not. Leave the talking to the actual scholars and loremasters of warhammer.

>>54610258
The Winds of Magic fled into space and transformed into planes of reality that snake across the stars.

>>54610287
You're not. Priestly himself said they were the same universe.

>>54610304
I don't care.

>>54610303
You're not a scholar or loremaster.

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>>54610318
>I don't care.

Doesn't mean you're not wrong.

>>54610303
>Scholars and Loremasters

>>54610338
It means you're wrong.

>>54610318
I am.

And you are a delusional fanboy who cares not for the truth instead clinging to his fantasies of a fantasy setting that never existed. You are an enemy of the lore and its discussion. Begone.

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Here's a theory I've thought of: Hashut is actually an amalgamation of dragon souls twisted by Chaos and surviving by the worship of Chaos Dwarves.

The Chaos Dwarves live very close to the Plain of Bones, where the dragons used to fly to die. But with the Coming of Chaos, some of the bones were reanimated as undead dragons. What if some souls were also roused from their rest, tainted by Chaos and at risk of losing themselves to the Warp? When the ancestors of the Chaos Dwarves called for help, they could have easily been answered by the soul of a dragon or group of dragons, who demanded worship and sacrifice in order to keep themselves tied to the mortal plane.

It explains why Hashut is considered a Chaos god, if these souls were twisted by Chaos as much as the Chaos Dwarves were. It explains why he's so strongly associated with fire and greed, things dragons are known for. The only thing it doesn't explain is all the bull imagery, and that could just be the souls losing their identity over time or something.

>>54610347
How so?

>>54610350
No, you're wrong.

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>>54610362
You should be going, child.

>>54610303
>scholars and loremasters
Jesus christ anon

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I cannot believe people disagree with this when this guy is explaining this as a basic concept of Chaos

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>>54610303
>Leave the talking to the actual scholars and loremasters of warhammer.

>>54610358
Not convinced

If chaos went into the world after these dragons have died, their spirit had plenty of time to find rest or ascend or whatever dragon souls do. As far as i know, chaos cannot corrupt something that already reached peace beyond the scope of mortality.

I do like the idea of a spirit that got corrupted and turned into a demon.
That, or Hashut actually came from the moon, like moonclaw, but was a much more powerful entity

>>54610466
Chaos really are the most boring part of the setting.

>>54610466
Okay, you got me curious, why are they talking about undead in what I assume is a seminary about physics?

>>54610466
Too bad somewhere along the line it became chaos=destruction
Which not only it's boring as shit, it's also completely ASININE

>>54610495
That is a flaw in the idea, but there could have been dragons or a group of dragons that only recently died, or maybe the Plain of Bones was the equivalent of a Garden of Morr for the dragons, where their souls were free to rest. It's not really talked about if they have a proper afterlife.

>>54610529
>why are they talking about undead in what I assume is a seminary about physics?

Because STEM nerds.

>>54610545
Chaos has never been destruction.
The Chaos Wastes are far livelier than the North pole should be.

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>>54610529
Chaos is entropy. Everything changing and breaking down. Chaos will consume everything.

The Undead are the opposite. They are stasis. The Undead will create an unchanging universe that's sterile and boring.

>>54610624
You're not answering the question

also the presentation is describing chaos with shortsight

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>>54610519
Eh, when it's good, it's really good.
Chaos is just very easy to do wrong.

>>54610686
>also the presentation is describing chaos with shortsight

Oh really, how do you figure that?

>>54610686
He is saying that Chaos being the start and end of everything and the Undead being the opposite force were inspired by the second law of thermodynamics. That's it.