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>>54588543
Based OP.

Not really hoping for reprints. It's tribal shit. Hoping for more Lore figures into cards like Ramos, Taigam, and Wasitroa

>>54588556
i want to but i dont have anyone else to play with and i dont know how to set it up id play with your id you wanted to teach me how to set it up though

>>54588543
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu


Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54588543
I had a question about color identity in commanders and the OP image solves it pretty well.

Say I have a mono red commander (Krenko, whatever).

I couldn't also have OP's card in my deck, could I? Because it's technically also a black and white along with red, and if I had IT as my commander I'd be able to also play Black and White cards?

>>54588603
>he's not hoping for shared animosity or mana echoes

anyways, i think a more pertinent question is what do you hope they DON'T reprint in c17. i'm hoping the cat deck doesn't print another copy of jareth, leonine titan. he already had a c15 and ema printings recently. but i could see them doing it, for the kitties.

>>54588632
Yep, the card in the OP is red/black/white.

>>54588632
The color identity of a card is:
>That card's color or colors
>The color of mana symbols in that card's mana costs and rules text
>That card's basic land types

For some examples:
Archanged Avacyn is WR.
Alesha is WBR Identity.
Murmuring Bosk is WBG.

So, you're correct in both your assumptions.

>>54588543
Put the fucking thread title in the subject line. It's not that hard and makes it significantly easier to find. If you're going to make a thread at least do it right.

>>54588610
same

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Can I get your guys opinions on this?

>>54588990
The picture that was tweeted out makes it look like there are at least three colors to the final deck, seemingly including Red.

Smart money is on Grixis Wizards or Rogues.

>>54589026
The Vampire one looked tri-color too to me, couldn't make out what they were (I hope Mardu), but it seemed to have three simbols

>>54588990
Dragons got spoiled and everyone thought it was going to be all five-color tribes.
Cats got spoiled and everyone starts thinking it's going to be 5/3/2/1.
Nobody expected Cats, so expecting the thing to follow any sort of pattern at all is a bit pointless. 5/3/2/3 is just as likely.

>>54589121
Anything other than Mardu would be retarded, since the Ixalan spoilers showed White vampires.

>>54589139
That would be perfect for newcomers: get the 3 color vampire deck, go to Ixalian prerelease, trade for vampires and improve the original deck.
Ixalian seems good for improving manabases too, since it includes shit like Dragonskull summit and the likes.

>>54589214
On that note, it'll be a little dumb if the last deck is Rogues, since they made Pirate a creature type instead of just letting pirates be Rogues too.

>>54588990
Leaker confirmed that last tribe is wizards

>>54589243
If it's not Wizards, I'll bet on Clerics, for the same reasons.

>>54589275
Was that guy confirmed to be the leaker? He also said "I have still have a picture of her on my phone" and then didn't post the picture, so that comes across about as well as "I have a girlfriend from another school".

>>54589275
That claim was untrustworthy at best. There's no reason to believe that he's the original leaker or that he's telling the truth.

>>54588990
Dragons with random human and spirit support
Vampire Knights
Cats
Cleric Humans

>>54589331
>>54589339
Even if he was a phony, odds are high that it's wizards. Clerics haven't got tribal support in 15 years, and rogues had like 2 tribal cards 10 years ago and that's it.

Wizards are a supported tribe, but the actual shit the tribal wizards do is very non-traditional (eg, there are no +1/+1 to all wizard Lords, and most of the wizard Lords give wizards a tap ability, which means they aren't synergistic at all)

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>>54589658
>rogues had like 2 tribal cards 10 years ago and that's it

Rogues have an entire tribal mechanic.

>>54589658
Cats weren't particularly supported as a tribe either. Their only lord was Raksha until Amonkhet.

>>54589658
They haven't done a dedicated tribal set in a long time. Afaik Lorwyn was the most recent one and it had clerics as a tribe. Wizards get printed more often but wizards' tribal-matters cards like Riptide Laboratory are almost all pretty old too. Rare exception for Dolcent of Perfection, which is a one-off design.

>>54589284
The plate armor kind of gives it away that it's not gonna be wizards. It might be soldiers however.

>>54589987
>They haven't done a dedicated tribal set in a long time. Afaik Lorwyn was the most recent one

Innistrad was a tribal set, and even Shadows was, to some extent. They're not doing Tribal as a card type anymore, but that doesn't preclude sets from being "Tribal".

>>54590061
>It might be soldiers however.

Are you fuckin serious, m8?

>>54590099
Nope xdddd

>>54590077
Innistrad had some lords and cards that cared about tribes but it wasn't a tribal block the way that Lorwyn and Onslaught were. Innistrad is only a little more tribal than other sets, closer to Mercadian Masques which only had Mercenaries/Rebels tribal. Innistrad has zombies/vampires/humans. Alpha had type-matters cards like Lord of Atlantis but it wasn't a tribal block. A much larger proportion of the cards in Lorwyn/Onslaught care about tribes.

>>54590445
>Innistrad has zombies/vampires/humans.

Innistrad has Zombies, Vampires, Humans, Spirits, and Werewolves. Early drafts of the block literally used the Tribal card type.

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What's your favourite commander who just isn't good enough?

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>>54590512
>tfw combo heavy meta

>>54589275
>Leaker confirmed that last tribe is wizards
>doesn't look like a wizard at all

Looks more like some kind of weird human with cracks

>>54590077
Innistrad had tribal themes pushed for limited and standard but it wasn't a tribal seylt. Not even close to Onslaught and Lorwyn.

Source: Maro himself states this on his podcast on numerous episodes about Innistrad, Onslaught, Tribal Sets, and Top-Down Design.

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>>54590512
I play him anyway but needing to run 25+ instants to get value from him really chokes down on your wincons. You just can't make him monoblack goodstuff which seems to be the only way to build black decks if you aren't combo. It's a weird voltron/steal your creatures I kill deck that folds hard with Toshi hate.

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>>54588625
The hero we need. Not the hero we deserve.

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>>54590512
I use him regardless. Absolute favorite legend.

I hope they reprint the staples in green blue and white that are 10$+

>>54590758
Toshi folds to hexproof/shroud, which is why you shouldn't center it solely around voltron.

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>>54588543
This is getting autistic. Wait till the last thread dies before you make a new one holy shit. The fact that both commander threads are being updated at the same time is baffling. We know you have a hate boner for the Discord anons but you're becoming worse by wasting board space for no reason. It doesn't help that you forgot the fucking subject line- How new are you? Let someone who knows how the board works make the threads in the future.

>>54590490
And then they toned down the tribal elements.

>>54590699
>>54591041
I think you'd have to be pretty picky to say Innistrad wasn't a tribal block. Sure, not as tribal as Lorwyn, but definitely still tribal.

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I have a monoblack deck and I'd like a way to deal with troublesome low cmc hate/stax artifacts. What is some spicy tech for this purpose that's not too narrow? I'm rather creature light, so Gate to Phyrexia is out of the question. Did anybody put pic related to good use?

Scales gets gummed up by tokens. Disk is, of course, a classic: damn the collateral damage, when you're behind it's worth it.

>>54591336
steel hellkite

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*mills you*

What are your stances on custom commanders /edhg/?

>>54590699
>>54590699
Of the 623 cards in Onslaught block, roughly 189 mention Elves, Beasts, Birds, Clerics, Dragons, Soldiers, Wizards, Zombies, or the words "Creature Type". That's tribal effects on roughly 30% of the set.

Of the 897 cards in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor blocks, roughly 234 of them mention Elementals, Elves, Giants, Goblins, Faerie, Kithkin, Merfolk, Rogues, or Treefolk or the words "Creature Type". That's tribal effects on roughly 26% of the set.

Of the 674 cards in Innistrad, roughly 138 of them mention Angels, Humans, Demons, Spirits, Vampires, Werewolves, or Zombies. That's tribal effects on roughly 20% of the set.

Innistrad's not "that" far behind, really.

>>54591953
Too much hassle. If you were to make a card that was perfectly fair or even overcosted and then win with it, someone is going to complain it should cost 1 or 2 more mana every single time.

>>54591953
Imagine if Kaalia were a custom commander. Everyone that sees it would tell you to fuck right off, .

WotC makes a lot of mistakes, but at least when they do, the mistake is said and done. It can't be argued with outside of banning the card entirely.

>>54591965
either way, Tribal is not the main focus of Innistrad. That's the difference. It is based on the thematic setting first and the setting means monsters. Lorwyn and Onslaught are focused on tribes first, like how Mirrodin and Kaladesh focus on artifacts first.

>>54590979
This is just not true. There are plenty if edict effects every Toshi deck should run. Also not making it voltron is incredibly difficult when between the package for toshi, the land base, needed ramp and draw, you have maybe 12 slots to play with.

Are you that guy who said he had a competitive toshi list and never posted it?

>>54591965
You not counting effects that benefit playing creature types (Steely Resolve is an example) and that punish creature types (Nameless Inversion is an examples). It's literally straight from Maro's mouth that Innistrad was not a tribal set and got a fraction of the tirbal support that Onslaught and Lorwyn did so stop arguing.

>>54590557
I really wish R&D could find a way to standartize Keyword abilities so they didn't have to list every single Keyword his ability applies to

>>54591953
What kind of custom commanders do you have rolling up to your playgroup's table?

>>54591953
i'd only really prefer it to happen if everyone was using custom commanders

>>54592518
We've decide so far that some dude's spider edh is ok and thats about it

>>54591953
This >>54592518
What kind of shit are we dealing with?

>>54592573
see
>>54592569

>>54592569
This tells us nothing about the commander except the creatre type.

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>>54592685
Heres a run down of the deck:
Shit puts out spiders
Spider lords
A small subtheme that has him mindcontrol other things and turn them into spiders. he was going for a sisters of stone death feel
Deck is hot garbage but he enjoys it

Pic related its his commander

>>54592747
Yeah, that's pretty terrible. I'd let him have it.

>>54592747
Why not run the actual Spider Commander tho?

>>54592879
Dude says ishkanah isn't a true spider commander
And he's kinda right

>>54592904
I don't follow you.
What doesn't make him a true spider?

>>54592394
>You not counting effects that benefit playing creature types (Steely Resolve is an example) and that punish creature types (Nameless Inversion is an examples)

You notice I did say cards that mention the words "creature type", right?

>>54592879
Ishkanah is terrible and really only works in the most casual of 1v1 EDH scenarios. She's probably worse than Ulrich.

>>54592929
I can't say for my friend but In my opinion she sucks ass as a commander, she doesnt do anything unless you have delirium

>>54591799
I'm specifically looking to deal with Cursed Totem and Damping Matrix, and those shut down Hellkite too.

>>54592394
>a fraction of the tirbal support

The fraction being about 2/3, apparently.

>>54592958
Oh, I'm totally with you then, I thought you were talking flavorwise

>>54592310
No, I'm a random shitter that tried netdecking Toshi and found him really lacking

>>54592394
>It's literally straight from Maro's mouth that Innistrad was not a tribal set and got a fraction of the tirbal support that Onslaught and Lorwyn did so stop arguing.

Could you link to those words?

>>54592972
>activated ability that gets better the more spiders you have
it may cost a lot to activate, and delirium requires a little setup, but who cares? it's commander, you build around that shit. sorry ishkanah isn't another broken commander like the commander products shit out or some lame field pump commander, which is the easiest fucking thing to do. she's at least interesting.

>>54592972
You say that like delirium wouldn't be fuck easy to get in commander, let alone edh. Sure graveyard hate can screw you but thats about it. Id rather play grafwidow than that thing

>>54593295
ya delirium is ez as fuck

pop a fetch, cast a cultivate, drop a sakura tribe elder and it's basically done already

plus all the self mill in golgari that you can take advantage of

>>54593270
I can't link to audio. I listed off the podcasts he talks about tribal support in and what constitutes a "tribal" set.

http://podbay.fm/show/580709168/e/1359754800?autostart=1

That's probably a good place to start.

>>54593291
>She's at least interesting
Yeah, so interesting that she's the 9th most played golgari commander.

>>54592935
No I didn't actually. Regardless you didn't list all the tribes in Onslaught or Lorwyn.

>>54593523
You either take the spider lord you get or you get none at all

>>54593573
or you make your own

>>54593573
See >>54592747

>>54591939
I always imagine he's drumming to Tom Sawyer

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Are there any other artifacts with high utility like pic related?

>>54593622
>>54593631
Or don't. What's to stop the next player in your group from going home and crafting up some slightly OP commander that they want to use. Once you allow faggotry into your group it'll get out of hand quick. Like anon said >>54592186
its a vault that you don't want spergs to have keys to

>>54593548
Which did I miss then?

>>54593696
>whats to stop the next player in your group from going home and crafting up some slightly OP commanders
The other players, just don't let anything extremely broken in

>>54593696
>What's to stop the next player in your group
Your playgroup, idiot. If someone comes to your table and proposes an OP custom commander, you can just say no. It's really not that hard.

>>54588543
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/4f4gz

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54593734
>>54593736
How long before your playgroup nerfs your custom commander into the ground to keep it "fair"?

>>54593734
That breeds idiocy. Next thing you know someone comes in with a "fair" commander that counters you because you win all the time. Other players get sick of losing and the cycle repeats or people leave

>>54590791
>>54588625
This picture is not called 'I wuw u', you are shirking your duties of inserting your tongue into discordposter's anus.

>>54590998
Fuck off, nobody cares.

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>>54593692
It's worse, but hey, it's flexible.

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>>54590791
threadly reminder that discordfags are edgy babies

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I wan't to go mono white. What commander should i go with? I feel like giving Nahiri a shot

>>54593781
>>54593763
>well youre going to build stupid powerful shit
You have zero evidence of that, and these decks are garbage, made just for casual games
Who the fuck makes a commander just to stop spider

>>54593763
Then you shrug and say "oh well?" That's the risk you run with custom cards. In a casual setting, nobody has to play against your deck if they don't want to, custom or not.

>>54593781
You've typed words but they don't arrange into anything that makes logical sense. I'd try again.

>>54593826
>I wan't to go mono white. What commander should i go with?

The National Suicide Prevention hotline.

>>54593826
I think Heliod is one of the best. All of the planeswalkers just seem to get attacked and quickly killed in my games so I'm biased against Nahiri.

Horobi is good too but too rude imo.

>>54593864
>Horobi
I mean Hokori, Dust Drinker

>>54593826
build yosei with all the ways to recur him in monowhite, then annoy the shit out of everyone who dares attack you

>>54593828
>well youre going to build stupid powerful shit

That's not what I said at all. I said, if you make anything that is even a bit powerful, someone is going to say it's too powerful. Remember that you share this general with someone who says Razaketh is going to be banned soon and it's only a matter of time. EDH is a casual format and casual players are tremendously quick to scream "OVERPOWERED!".

>>54593828
Oust, the Insecticide
5 Colorless, Artifact creature, 3\4
Tap: Kill all Spiders

>>54593826
isamaru

>>54588990
Would be keen on the human or vampire deck.

Knowing our garbage country it will probably be 60+ dollarydoos for one though, not sure if worth. When do cards start leaking?

>>54593893
Not the Spiders

>>54593789
I wouldn't call it worse considering that it's a key piece in several infinite combos.

>>54593826
Play the Odric that grants keywords. It's not super competitive, but the ability to drop one card and turn all your shitty foot soldiers into doublestriking, lifelinking, skulking death squads just feels very white to me. Tactics and victory through unity and all that jazz

>>54593826
Eight-and-a-Half Tails is pretty fun.

Alternatively >>54593930

>building The Scarab God
>check other people's lists for tech
>fucking everyone is doing zombie tribal
Does anyone have any spicy tech? The Scarab God is probably the most interesting of all the UB commanders, but people are going about him in a super boring way.

>>54593785
>Fuck off, nobody cares

Jesus Christ... I remember when /tg/ wasn't full of autistic children. Summer needs to end.

>>54590998
>>54593980
I mean, the caring about "wasting board space" with a single thread is kind of caring a little too much itself. It's not like Pokemon threads before /vp/ or anything or colorful horse threads before their containment

>>54593946
I've never seen him before. I like it. I have set of the mirrodinblock swords since i took apart one of my old decks, i guess they go pretty well with Tails too.

>>54593978
Be sure to run Altar of Dementia for food.

>>54594063
Yeah, Tails is great for voltron or equipment-based strats. He's nothing competitive because lol monowhite, but he's fun at casual tables.

>>54593978
I mean, in fairness if you don't at least have a zombie subtheme gong you're missing out on free lifedrain and scry for no reason

>>54593978
>>54594091
Is there a reason he's listed as $14 paper right now? I just pulled him from a pack I won playing draft but I'm a filthy unwashed Limited player so something as complex as a constructed format is too much for my piddling intellect.

>>54593523
ishkanah vs some shitty ccg that is just a boring spider anthem, i would much rather grafwidow.

>>54593736
>>54593734
considering the level of comprehension of game rules on /tg/, i wouldn't trust any of them to properly balance any card, or make anything that will challenge their deckbuilding skills in the hopes they might improve playing the game.it just seems like a bad idea and kind of masturbatory to play custom commanders. it's almost an etiquette thing to me.

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>>54593826
There's always the best draw Engine Monowhite could realistically hope to see in their command zone.

>>54594033
It's not just the fact that we had two threads for no reason, it was also the fact that OP made the thread way too early, and incorrectly so that other anons didn't even know that this was the new thread. I appreciate the discord links not being posted as much as the next anon, but being so autistic you feel the need to make a thread as quickly as possible that you fuck it up, and waste board space just to keep another anon from doing it is mental.

>>54594107
Because it's outrageously strong in standard. Smuggler's copter was at about the same range before it got banned.

>>54594114
>it's almost an etiquette thing to me.
>considering the level of comprehension
*tips fedora*

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>>54593978
This would be terribly spicy if tokens could transform.

;-;

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>>54594132
Fucking sweet, thanks anon. Maybe I'll make the jump from being a Limited goon to a real magic player with this pull.

>>54594115
I've heard Sram Cheerios is actually pretty competitive. Not Hightide JVP or anything, but solid enough to hold its own at al but the most tuned tables

>>54594107
As the other anon said, he's pretty good in Standard right now. He provides great value and he fits in with a decent amount of zombie decks until Innistrad rotates out. I picked him up early just in case he spiked because I thought I might end up wanting to build him.

>>54594095
>>54594115
Thought about Sram too. I think i have a copy of him laying around here somewhere. But i guess that's more of a cheerios deck

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>>54594114
I've seen a few cards come out of the custom threads that look interesting and reasonable. There's a slice of players that care about making custom cards that really, really care and pay attention to design guidelines and balancing.

>>54594178
Sram also works for an equipment or vehicle deck (although if I was going vehicles, I'd go Depala personally). Sram is probably the strongest mono-white commander just because he gives card draw.

>>54594198
>>54594115
Think ill go Sram
One: He seems like my type of commander.
Two: I think i already have a copy

Time to compose a list, thanks /tg

>>54594167
Will he continue to be good after the zombie decks rotate out or will he be worthless garbage after that? If I decide not to play standard will it be better to sell him right away?

>>54594249
Happy brewing!

>>54588990
>Four decks instead of five decks.
There will be a FIFTH deck and it will be NINJAS

>>54594256
Amonkhet came with a decent amount of zombie creatures that are standard playable, and even without zombies, The Scarab God is a good value machine. His first ability is basically icing on the cake because the real meat comes with his second ability.

>>54594275
Ninjas Pirates Confirmed

>>54593705
For Onslaught you missed Illusions, Walls, and Slivers. For all intents and purposes Morph was treated as a tribe as well but I'm sure you'll take issue with that.

For Lorwyn you missed Warriors, Shamans, Soldiers, and Wizards off the top of my head.

Other thing about lorwyn block is that there were a lot of color hate and color matters cards too so there were more "tribal" cards than you might realize just based on the cards that explicitly reference creature type

>>54593705
Also they purposefully funneled creatures into certain types even if they don't directly benefit just that tribe. For instance, Maro takes about Primal Forcemage in his Onslaught podcasts and how it was made to be elf and morph support.

>>54594192
you think that is balanced?

>>54594622

Doesn't seem broken to me, notice any broken combos?

>>54594513
>Onslaught you missed Illusions, Walls, and Slivers

Illusions are covered under the "creature type" clause, since all of them did it. There's a single card that cares about Walls. I did admittedly drop the ball with Slivers, so that brings it up to 206/623, still only 33%.

Including the types you listed, Lorwyn goes up from 234 to 245 because most of those cards were already covered by things saying things like "Goblin or Shaman", so that's a jump to 27%.

I notice myself that I missed "wolf" and "creature type" in Innistrad, though most of the Wolf related ones were covered by "wolf or werewolf", but that brings Innistrad up to 148, meaning 22%.

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Name a common more likely to be immediately dealt with oh wait you can't

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>>54594192
>>54594622
>>54594658
That's actually a card I designed.
I was thinking a while back it should probably include a mana cost alongside discarding your hand, maybe around 2 or 3, otherwise if you had, for instance, three 5/5s with lifelink, you'd get to ditch your hand, draw five cards, ditch your hand again, draw another five cards, then ditch your hand again, and draw the last five cards.

Also it breaks with this guy.

>>54594704
Unless he's exiled, getting him off the battlefield is doing you a favor.

>>54594735

But see I don't think it's that broken to draw and discard 5 cards 3 times, considering what you had to do to get that. You would need even more pieces like niv-mizzet to actually get crazy there

Adding a mana cost wouldn't change that much though so that seems reasonable, I'd make it just 1 mana though

>>54593826
Build a Yomiji deck for fun graveyard shenanigans and Mindslaver locks

>>54594704
Yes, Gary is probably the single best five drop common ever printed.

>>54594704
I love Gary so much. He continues to be a strong wincon in all of my UBx decks thanks to all of the combos you can do with him. Rite of Replication + Gary being my favorite.

>>54594735
it should be a 2/4, and a better way to have the ability would be "whenever you gain life, you may discard your hand. if you do pay X and draw X cards. X may not exceed the amount of life gained." this way you don't break cards like congregate.

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>>54594889
>the single best five drop common ever printed
Not even close.

>>54594923
>>54594735
oh also with the new body and higher restriction on the ability, it can cost 1WUR. and have haste.

>>54594923
>it should be a 2/4
That comes across as a random nitpick.

>>54594923
The way I see it, the interaction with something like Congregate is fine. It's more or less the same as drawing a bunch of cards off of Shamanic Revelation because you also happen to have Alhammarret's Archive. The difference there is that, without her, Congregate is just lifegain, where Shamanic Revelation would still be drawing you cards the whole time.

She's not overpowered because you're left with a bunch of weak lifegain spells if an opponent shoots her. It's a build around card that rewards playing an otherwise subpar strategy, exactly like what >>54594114 was talking about.

>>54595089
>The difference there is that, without her, Congregate is just lifegain, where Shamanic Revelation would still be drawing you cards the whole time.

Not to mention Shamanic Revelation doesn't ask you to discard your hand.

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>>54595089
i know what i said. i said /tg/ doesn't know how to balance cards and that custom cards are masturbatory in nature.

>>54595138
Based on
>>54594923
>>54594942
I'd have to agree. You, being part of /tg/ yourself, aren't looking too great at balance or card evaluation yourself.

>>54595138
>>54595104
>hurr the card is build around its not perfect
Do you guys even read what you shit out some times? Tons of commanders are build-around.
Examples:
Kaalia
Without her the deck is just dragon, demon, angel goodstuff
Brago
Without him the deck is just a bunch f shit with etb abilities
Animar
Just a bunch of creatures
And whose to say that the deck cant function on its own without the commander? Each build is unique and Commander is a casual format

>>54595220
The point was that lifegain is not as good as Dragons/Demons/Angels, shit with ETBs, or even "a bunch of creatures".

>>54594923

That would be unplayable though, discarding your hand is enough of a drawback, it prevents you from just building up a huge hand and becoming unstoppable

Jumping through hoops to pay 1 mana per card is not worth it, especially since a lot of your ways to trigger lifegain will require you to spend mana

>>54593647
there aren't nearly enough pieces in his drum kit for that

>>54595182
my point is building the card is a development thing you have to work out with a bunch of people. if you aren't open to that, which most people who are bringing a custom commander to a game are not, then it is masturbatory. that is my point.

>>54595220
>kaalia was a also a balancing mistake
>animar is insanely broken, in large part to pro white/black
there was nothing wrong with brago, though. i don't have anything against build around commanders, i just have problems with shitty card designs. my whole point this whole time about custom commanders has been that people don't know how to balance them, and here we go with any attempt at changing the card is met with "you're retarded i can make it a build around if i want to!" when that is not the claim i am making at all, and it only goes to reinforce my point that custom cards are just to jack yourself off at how "creative at magic" you are.

>>54595462
>lemme just easily self mill myself while gaining life and then have some graveplay
>lemme just cast an instant for 4 mana that gains me 16 life on your endstep
>ugh i dont get to keep my hand per draw discarding makes me feel bad!

Same anon from earlier who was building Scarab God here
>don't want to do zombie tribal
>most of the good cards for the deck are zombies anyway
>not including them makes the deck feel weaker overall for not having access to easy attackers/blockers
I feel like the cards are trying to tell me something, but I must continue forcing myself not to go the obvious route.

>>54595603
>here we go with any attempt at changing the card is met with "you're retarded

It might be a bit different if you weren't retarded.

>>54595603
>that is not the claim i am making at all

The irony here is "you're retarded i can make it a build around if i want to!" was not the claim I was making either.

>>54588543
>bitterblossom doubled in price after the unbanning
>despite the reprint still at like 30$

T..thank you modern.. so if the last tribe is possibly rogue will it's price rise more?

>>54595603
The card's designer, if >>54594735 is to be trusted, started off by saying they were open to revising it. One thing to consider though is that your own qualifications are just as imaginary as the designer's. You can't get on a high horse about people being too resistant to hearing other people's opinions and then expect your "revision" to pass completely without commentary. Everyone has just as much right to say your version is bad as you have to say the original is.

You're acting like second guessing is fine, but second guessing the person that's second guessing is a step too far.

>>54595603
>>54595870
This the real issue with custom commanders. Nobody has the authority to actually be Development, and very few people could actually be trusted with that authority, so everyone thinks they're right and will never shut up about it.

>>54595774
god please no i still need it for my Oona deck

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ANON!
why arnt you building the highest powered, most fun most flexible, commander that can still be considered casual?

want competitive
>build extra turns
75%?
>uncounterable big spells
casual?
>W/U dragon tribal

what's wrong with you anon?

>>54595946
It'd be shit as WU Dragon tribal. It doesn't do anything for Dragons other than making them uncounterable.

>>54595870
i never claimed that my interpretation was the "correct way" but i said i thought it's more balanced. now yes, he did say he's open to revision, but then all my suggestion was met with is "you're retarded and can't balance!" tell me why my interpretation is wrong, i think its fairly obvious from my revision why i think it's too strong. that's how discussion works. it shouldn't stop at the original creator saying "well i hear you but i think you're retarded so im going to ignore you"

>>54595926
that was my point to begin with, back when i called the spiderlord shit!

>>54595926
>You can't decide on your own because that would be masturbatory
>Multiple people cant help balance it because reasons

Pick one

>>54595991
there also arent very many blue white dragons

>>54596010
multiple people on a mongolian pictograph forum can't help with balance because it devolves into name calling and whining 100% of the time

Keep this cancer to custom card quarantine threads

>>54595993
>then all my suggestion was met with is "you're retarded and can't balance!" tell me why my interpretation is wrong,

Okay, let's take a moment to review:
>>54595462 gave their reasoning for why they didn't like your revision.
You fire back with
>ugh i dont get to keep my hand per draw discarding makes me feel bad!

So, why's it bad for people to call you retarded, but it's okay for you to openly mock people?

>>54596059
So basically /tg/ cant play magic is all Ive got out of this shitfest

>>54596010
Pick neither. The only winning move with Custom Commanders is not to play.

>>54595991
hurrr what's casual
hurrrr

kys you retarded nigger

>>54595605
Well if you're dead set against zombies just play it mill/reanimator style. It does say 'a graveyard' and not 'your graveyard' afterall. Drop a heartstone or that one blue enchantment that reduces costs(training grounds?) and you've got a two mana hoser for graveyard decks. Not optimal, but I could see it holding it's own in the right meta.

>>54596103
>why arnt you building the highest powered
hurr why aren't you masturbating over my super powerful (but still casual) hurr

>>54596103
>Casual
>Therefore shit

Hey guys, check my Casual deck, Isamaru plus 99 Plains.
Still funnier than Taigam Dragon Tribal

>>54596224
>playing commander for reasons other than having fun

>>54596260
My point was that Taigam Dragon Tribal makes no fucking sense, not that you shouldn't play for fun.
Let's build Green Vampires and White Goblins while we are at it.
And defending yourself with hurr durr you a nigger it's casual doesn't really put you in a good light.

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>>54595993
>it shouldn't stop at the original creator saying "well i hear you but i think you're retarded so im going to ignore you"
Original creator here (with a hopefully inoffensive card for proof). I'm not the person (or persons) you've been arguing with.

For my part, I think reducing the mana cost, lowering the power, and giving it haste are all very peculiar and unnecessary changes. They don't really have a rhyme or reason to them, just feeling like changes for change's sake to some extent. Part of your reasoning for lowering the mana cost was that it should have 2 power, so you might as well just leave it at 3 power and just not. Both the lower cost and Haste are pretty much coming out of nowhere and I don't see why you'd suggest them outside of recognizing your revision was otherwise considerably nerfing it.

As for paying X for the cards, I think that's too costly. I'm thinking, at most, 3 mana each trigger would be fine, more likely 2. You mentioned Congregate as "gain 16 life", but that has its own hoops to jump through to get there, and isn't really the "typical case" for what you're going to be getting. Most of the time you'll probably be drawing about 3 to 6 cards.

>>54596337
First post wasn't me

>>54596103
The power level of the format has nothing to do with how much the card actually helps dragons. The point was that it's not actually a good reason to play UW Dragons just because it says the word "Dragons" in the text box. It's not actually doing anything worthwhile that would make it better than just playing Ojutai himself.

hoping that Edgar is indeed mardu because of the new cool white vampires in ixalan

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>>54596447
Keeping in the spirit of custom cards

>>54596482
Not particularly Red.

>>54596482
>6 cmc amd 6/6
I sure hope not. Boring humanoids shouldn't be that big. Teysa Emmara Tandris and from RTR being the prime examples.

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>>54596549
It's not that unusual when it comes to Vampires though.

>>54596549
Innistrad vampires tend to be about twice as strong as your average human if I remember correctly, and Edgar is Innistrad's first vampire, so he's likely a decent amount stronger than most.

>>54596549
>Vampire Knight
>Boring Human

Anon...

>>54596549
>Teysa Emmara Tandris and from RTR

Well, there was a lot of behind the scenes issues with that whole cycle.

>>54596586
>human
>humanoid
Anon, I...

>>54596351
i first started the change with nerfing the card draw ability. without any mana investment, it is just full on broken, with the card you posted here >>54594735, you can just mill your whole deck (which you would hopefully capitalize on with reanimation and mizzix's mastery). so a cost is needed. i also said i think you need to have an upper limit, so something like congregate couldn't make you run away with the game, but it doesn't have to be congregate, even though congregate will easily gain you 10+ life in multiplayer. oketra's mercy can break your deck as well. there is a lot of really good lifegain. the reduction in power has to do with keeping you from just ancestral recalling every turn. so to prevent you from drawing too much it is x for cards, that way you get to draw as many as you can pay for. this will hypothetically be two every turn. to prevent a potential field of lifelinkers milling you out when you're either running low, or there is something in your hand you absolutely need, there is a may clause. having severely nerfed this ability, though, a reduction in cost to get out was in order. the haste was added partially as an aesthetic thing, so there is an evergreen mechanic for each colour on the card, as well as a way of making up for the loss in power.

>>54596072
i may have been condescending in my response but there was still a point to it. im saying dont call me retarded with no argument as to why im wrong other than that im retarded.

>>54596482
>boros charm on a stick
wew lad
this card just screams wrath of god tribal

Do you run specific boardwipes for a Landfall deck or the usual stuff?

>>54596629
>Saying something humanoid can't be strong because their comparable to humans
>Vampires aren't super strong powerful supernatural beings
>Autistic

This is (you) enjoy it.

Yeah, that's not how it works.

>>54596701
>Do you run specific boardwipes for a Landfall deck
Story?

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>>54596421
I wanted to see what UW dragons would actually look like. There are 21 dragons in UW and a lot of them are... garbage i think is not a harsh enough term honestly. Really overcosted, a bunch of them have megamorph or morph, which, combined with Taigam's ability, telegraphs that you're casting a dragon and defeats the purpose of morph, and you have shit like pic related which is just really stupid. I'd say that about half of them are playable and not just strictly inferior versions of other cards.

So when do they usually post commander spoilers? Im waiting to make another commander deck until i see what kind of new legends they come out with.
We're less than a month out now

>>54596701
Yes, my boardwipe is called Child of Alara.

>>54596729
Maybe in another 2-3 weeks

>>54596719
>>54596738
Sorry, meant "in a", my bad

>>54594192
Please keep this faggotry to the containment threads. People are talking about real cards here.

>>54596765
I have a Child of Alara 5c Maze's End Landfall deck kicking around somewhere. Child is a damn good boardwipe, if hard to cast.

>>54596727
>0: Flying
>0: Lose Flying

Insert perplexed black man here

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>>54596806

>>54596644
I don't think the issue to worry about is drawing a large number of cards. The game already naturally has reasons to put a lid on gaining large amounts of life, so it's tied to a condition that's already being somewhat managed. I personally wouldn't be too excited to play Oketra's Last Mercy in a lifegain deck, since it only works if you're in a bad position and haven't been getting to use your other lifegain, and if you're in a bad position it makes it even less likely you'll have your commander to benefit from it. The fact you're having to play bad cards to benefit from the ability is something to take into account with the power level.

The more pressing concern is the ability to string together multiple lifelink triggers, which is best solved by either putting a fixed, reasonable cost per trigger, or mandating that you can only choose to do it once per turn.

>>54593826

Not a legal commander

>>54596806
Early sets had a bit of target flying creature cards, this way you could choose if it had flying or not at interupt speed

>>54596644
>im saying dont call me retarded with no argument as to why im wrong other than that im retarded.

Point to where people actually did that. Closest I can see is >>54595182, and that's because you ignored most of >>54595089 and chose to only respond to a tiny bit of the post. Then, >>54595659 is a bit more direct, but you were already complaining about it happening before that.

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>>54596910
>Nahiri, the Lithomancer can be your commander.

>>54596910
Yes, it is.

>>54596727
So, you're saying I get infinite activation of that Kaladesh thing that gets +1/+1 off activated abilities for 6 mana? Neat.

>>54596870
how is this a cheap card

>>54596896

I think it would be cool if it said at the beginning of each end step, if you gained life this turn, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw cards equal to its power. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. That way no huge life gain spell can just draw you a bajillion cards, and you can't chain lifegain spells to draw your whole deck in one turn, but if you have some combos going you can get out of hand fairly quick

Starts at 2/4 so the first trigger is not that great, second one is good, and the rest get progressively more excellent

>>54596950
>>54596956

Card rules only take effect from a game zone, they can't modify deck construction rules which happen before any game or game zones exist.

>>54596910
Keep fapping to the Sorin foils

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>>54596994
>they can't modify deck construction rules

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>>54596994

>>54596969

Just okay and it's been reprinted quite a bit. There's also a lot of similar cards that are better in a lot of formats

>>54597005
Hey, I get that reference. I'll have you know those are my Sorin foils you're talking about and I'm not that retarded.

>>54596994
> what is Shadowborn Apostle

>>54596994
Wizards and the Rules Committee disagree with you.

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>>54596969
Don't worry, there's a more expensive version.

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>>54596969
Theres instant speed versions too

>>54597010

All that does is keep you from losing from making your deck invalid by brining to many of them into the game with wish type effects

>>54597020
Duly noted.

although the probability that other anti-Nahiri poster ALSO has Sorin foils is non-0.

>>54597047
What are you honestly trying to get here, anon?
Are cheap, easy (You)s really worth something to you? Wouldn't you be more at home somewhere with upvotes or likes, if getting attention is all you're craving?

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>>54597047
>903.3a Some planeswalker cards have an ability that states the card can be your commander. This ability modifies the rules for deck construction, and it functions before the game begins. See also rule 112.6m.
>112.6m An ability that modifies the rules for deck construction functions before the game begins. Such an ability modifies not just the Comprehensive Rules, but also the Magic: The Gathering Tournament Rules and any other documents that set the deck construction rules for a specific format. However, such an ability can’t affect the format legality of a card, including whether it’s banned or restricted. The current Magic: The Gathering Tournament Rules can be found at WPN.Wizards.com/en/resources/rules-documents.

>>54596482
he probably will have some sort of leech ability and will be the most competitive of the four. maybe a reverse oloro even, leeching from the command zone.

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>>54596994
Ha ha fooled you I was only acting retarded

>>54597047
wow, way to talk out of your ass.

did you know your commander deck consists of a 100 card deck and NOT 99? yes, your commander is a card IN a deck! it just has special rules attached to it. and if you have partners and the rest of your deck has 99 cards, congrats, youve been running an illegal 101 card deck! youve been cheating this entire time by having one too many cards!

>>54590843
He's pretty vicious piloting a Shadowborn Apostles deck.

>>54597484
or hatebears

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Praetor cycle reprint when?
I want Vorinclesh, Sheoldred, Elesh Norn, and Jin-Gitaxis to be less than fifteen dollars each

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>>54597846
>hatebears without the Teeg

>>54597891
paint proxies yourself

>>54597891
I'd guess Iconic Masters would be a good place to reprint them.

>>54597891
IMA is probably your best bet due to its focus on creatures.

Sliver Legion reprint pls ;-;

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>yfw you have folders full of cards you kept just incase you wanted to make more decks
>yfw you havent played an actual game of edh since theros came out
>yfw you know you will never play a game again because of work/wife

>>54598104
Tfw i can feel good about building sliver tribal now that i know people won't be and the speculators are going to try and sell their hoard.

>>54598130
That feel sounds brutal. Are there no stores nearby you? That is my backup plan if I move away from my group.

>>54598104
>>54598166
Post yfw the Sliver Legion reprint is a Masterpiece in the Return to Dominaria set.

>>54598130
Get your wife hooked on the cardboard crack.

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>>54598188
>mfw

>>54598006
come on teeg, you can share some hatebears with the class

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>>54598170
There is a store less than a block away but working 13 hours a day and having to pay attention to my wife means no game time unfortunately
>>54598198
I tried but she has no intrest in anything thats not spending money on herself and or sitting on the pc all day

Sucks bros, stay single and dont become wagecucks

>>54598290
>sitting on the pc all day
Get her into Duels of the Planeswalkers or something and segue that into Paper.

>>54596351
Sphinxs rev would be crazy.

>>54598501
You'd discard all the cards you drew from Sphinx's Rev itself.

>>54598501
>>54598553
Don't you have a containment thread to pollute with your masturbatory customcards bullshit?

>>54599188
Don't we all?

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>>54598130
>>54598290
>wife tried playing some time ago
>she really tried though didnt like it
>get home from fnm last week
>give her pricepacks to open
>she opens Oketra's Last Mercy
>"wow, this card is fucking terrible"
>"its only good when you're almost dead"
>"and even then this doesnt save you?"
>confirm to her that its pretty bad
>...
>"the cat lady looks cute though"

>>54599512
In fairness, Oketra IS pretty cute.

>>54599512
Get her to play the cat precon.

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>>54599512
I collected every cat printed in foil and made her a kemba equipment edh deck, I even made her a modern GW cat aggro deck with shocks fetches etc, shit I even made cat tokens with pictures of her own cats on them in foil, she still wont play

Its weird she enjoys cracking packs to look for foils tho but I stopped buying cards before bfz

She is just not interested in card games

>>54595605
If you want some spice for Scarab God, use Eldrazi Processors to repeatedly eternalize good stuff from opponents graveyards

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How come you don't see the Ramos rocks very often? Is it just me or do they seem like they're actually pretty nice?

>>54600579
3 mana on a rock usually produces 2 mana, without sacrificing. Skull and Horn show up in Glissa the Traitor, and Heart in Daretti, but they're just not efficient mana production.

I'm strangely attracted to the cat Precon coming out even though I'm fairly certain it will be garbage. Mid range does not fair well in my meta.

>>54600650
The only 3 mana rock that taps for 2 without any addendum is Worn Powerstone. Technically Palladium Myr, I guess.

>>54600579
I don't think they're bad per say but you could do better.

I always enjoy the signets and the ones that reduce mana cost of certain colored spells.

>>54600579
2 mana for 1 untapped the turn it comes into play.
3 mana for 2 untapped, or 1 untapped+a big benefit.

They offer you an interesting way to ramp on turn 4, but so does Coalition Relic, or any 3 for 2. So I don't see them as particularly worth it.

>>54600579
It would be cute if they reprint these in the dragon deck, if they weren't bad in a five color deck.

>>54600756
>3 mana for 2 untapped

No rock actually does that.

>>54600206
>She enjoys cracking packs for foils

Oh, so it's not that she doesn't like Magic, it's just that she's figured out that there's only one good part and eliminated all the shit parts

>>54600789
Ashnod's Altar

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>>54600579
3 for 1 is abit slow, maybe in a mono color deck buy when things like chromatic lantern, coalition relic, darksteel ingot and commander sphere let you make mana of any color they will be more popular

Pic related is fun, a mana rock you can punch people in the dick with

>>54600820
You know what I mean.
Don't you dare post Myr Reservoir either.

>>54600820
>>54600789
Elvish Guidance
Extraplanar Lens
Food Chain
Gift of Paradise
Grand Architect
Growth Spasm
Harrow
Heartbeat of Spring
Honorworn Shaku
Mana Flare
Metalworker (technically not the turn it comes into play without a haste enabler, but yeah)
Overabundance
Overgrowth
Pawn of Ulamog
Rishkar, Peema Renegade
Rites of Flourishing
Seton, Krosan Protector
Tangleroot

They don't fit the traditional definition of "mana rock" but they compete for the same slots in your deck.

>>54593907
Mah nigga. Got a deck with him full of equipment and wrath of god effects.

>>54601002
>Gift of Paradise
This effectively only adds one more mana, since it's replacing the mana you would have gotten from the land to begin with.
>Harrow
Same here.
>Rites of Flourishing
You've got a really open definition here.
>Tangleroot
Now you're just fucking with me.

>>54601185
Gifts of Paradise I'll give you. But your criticisms of the others are shit. Harrow is amazing.

>rites of flourishing/tangleroot

Again, both amazing cards when played right. You don't put them out there so your opponents can benefit from them, you put them out there when you're ready to make a huge play

>>54597030
saw this at a gp once, it was valued at like 8 grand.

>>54601167
Fuck Wraths, jam Armageddon effects in Isamaru

>>54601218
Even less people are playing tangleroot than the Ramos cards.

>>54601276
Tangleroot is a combo card but it's not bad. Ever Glimpse with a Tangleroot out?

>>54601276
cite your sources anon.

>>54601002
>>54601218
When people are discussing what rocks to use, do you just barge in and start blabbing about Birds of Paradise? You posted mostly a bunch of Green shit, which for the most part Green decks just settle for Cultivate and Kodama's Reach.

>>54601347
https://edhrec.com/cards/tangleroot

>>54601374
>citing edhrec numbers to call a card good or bad

>>54601402
I'm sorry, is that what my post said? I thought I typed something completely different.

>>54601374
>>54601402
>citing edhrec numbers to call a card good or bad, but not including the numbers for the pet card he's defending

Horn of Ramos at 31 decks
Tangleroot at 51 decks.

0/10, apply yourself ramosfag

>>54601402

He was literally just citing his source.

>>54601437
>Horn is the only one that's lower because, hey, it's the Green one and Green rocks are ALWAYS lowest

Wow.

If you're running three colors you should run three signets right?

>>54601363
I didn't bring up birds of paradise, because it doesn't occupy the same slot, and doesn't offer mana the turn it comes into play.

When you're building your deck, do you think "I need mana, I better limit my mana producing cards to rocks and lands?" That's bad practices anon. There are tons of cards out there that functionally outperform the ramos cards.

>>54601462
same logic applies to tangleroot. Wow. At this point you're just stubbornly sticking to your pet card because multiple people called you dumb.

>>54601437
>Citing the number for the only one that works as a counterargument
Right back at you, tanglefag.

Take it a different way then:
>Tooth
124

>Eye
209

>Skull
225

>Heart
242

>Horn
31

If you take that on average, it's 166. So, on average, it's played less than the Ramos cards.

>>54601470
1 color = 0 signets
2 color = 1 signet
3 color = 3 signet
4 color = 6 signet
10 color = 10 signet

>>54601491
>you're just stubbornly sticking to your pet card

It's not even "my pet card", you twat.

>>54601515
>better compare tangleroot to every ramos card despite the color identity differences, so I can bring up all the colors that have lower quality mana rocks to bring up my average.

>>54601538
Sure, whatever you say ramos.

Cant we just all agree that sol ring is probably the worst mana rock because it doesn't produce colored mana?

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Just thought I'd chime in and let everybody know this poster is retarded

>>54601553
Mana Crypt is worse.
>1.5 damage per turn on average
Holy shit, why would you play that?

>>54601568
Totally, if im playing a RW deck why would I want colorless, im not playing eldrazi

>>54601553
You joke, but people seriously bring this up when defending the fact that it's still in the format.

>>54601551
Is this how you act in person? How do you get people to agree to play against you?

Thread derailed, everyone come back when these two faggot pit their dicks away, in fact someone make a new thread

>>54601470
Depends on your deck, but there aren't many reasons you shouldn't. If you can run a talisman or two, you might want to do that instead of a signet, depending on your deck.

>>54601551
>Sure, whatever you say ramos.
Are you always such a grating cunt or did you practice?

>>54601604
Nah, just fan the flames. It'll go over the bump limit pretty soon and we can just move on from there.

>>54601621
>>54601600
Ramos, all I've done is point out that there are numerous better options to your pet cards after you specifically asked the thread to evaluate them. Don't ask for opinions if you're going to get hurt when they don't align with yours.

>>54601649
>after you specifically asked the thread to evaluate them
I didn't ask shit and I still think you're an idiot.

>>54601667
sure thing ramos, whatever you say.

what abzan cards can make my creatures unblockable or tap down the board? i can think of siege behemoth and odric + flying

>>54601649
You really, really like Tangleroot, huh?

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The 100% true and real reason nobody runs the claws is they dont have foil reprints, if you are playing edh without a fully foiled deck you can fuck right off back to the "competitive modern" thread you fucko's

>>54601698
No, I just don't think your pet cards are good, and I've explained why. You really like them don't you?

Though Tangleroot is actually quite a good combo piece in a moderately competitive deck. It offers you a ton of mana the turn you play it.

>>54601712
>he uses foil cards outside of masterpieces

Lel Oh Lel

NEW THREAD

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>>54601712
>playing with any magic cards in any format that aren't foil
I didn't know people ACTUALLY did that, I thought this was supposed to be a game for people with money. Do those same people also play with cards that aren't signed by Richard Garfield?

>>54601728
You just seem to have gotten so very offended at the notion people play tangleroot less than most of the ramos cards.

>>54601744
Non foils>piece of paper smeared with shitFoil>promo foil>masterpiece>judge foil>prototype 8th edition foil

>>54601773
No, I got offended at your dishonest representation of the data to reach that conclusion, ramos.

>>54601799
I assumed you'd be smart enough to search for the rest.

>>54601846
The problem is that you thought comparing 5 cards deck inclusion rates on edhrec to 1 was valid at all. And that's ignoring the fact that you thought using edhrec was valid at all for your purposes.

And then all this is ignoring that tangleroot is one card which you're singling out of all the other cards I listed that are in fact better than your pet cards.

Why does nobody use the ramos cards? because they aren't good.

>>54601799
>>54601846
Let this die.

>>54601881
Why does nobody use Tangleroot?

>>54601883
I'm not bringing it to the new thread for a reason anon.

>>54601889
It's going to be in either a combostorm or group hug archetype, both of which are not played as often in the super casual format of EDH. Despite appealing to the least played archetypes, it's still beating out the green ramos card in deck inclusion, which should tell you something.

Can someone link me a non Zombie Kalitas deck please?

>>54601734
Masterpieces looks ugly thou.

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>>54594115
Speaking of good, I feel like building one more, and if sram can be good then I might?
Anyone know what would make him good other than hatebear shit?