Paizo Games General /pgg/

>GM allows core races only
>"Why do you always pick human?!!"
Human is a core race, why is he complaining?

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>>54584303
>page 4
>fucked up the OP

>>54584330
He wants you to pick Dorf or some shit

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/83277/the-fiends-and-intrigues-of-house-karvane (Apps end in about 2 weeks)
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (Apps end in two months)

Why haven't you made a Ties of Blood character for intrigue yet, /pfg/?
You do know that incest is the purest form of love, right?

>>54584368
t. Kawase

What the fuck happened to the promised Ensoulment greentexts?

>>54584390
Ensoulment 'boozled.

>>54584368
Because Kawase is a fucking meme and I don't want to associate with him

>>54584395
Wouldn't you making a Ties of Blood character put you into competition with him then? You probably wouldn't be both accepted.

>>54584395
Unique traits, tho.
By using Ties of Blood, you can make sure he doesn't get in!

>>54584411
Only if he makes a good one
Not hard mind, seeing as Kawase hasn't done anything with the app.

>>54584368
Quick! Post your review on the Fiendish Intrigue apps!

>>54584303
>page 4 and a shitty OP with no actual content or discussion
Congrats, you are now even more cancerous than Page 7 animefag. Please convert to.Islam, build a suicide vest, find Anime OP, and kill the both of yourselves so that the world may be a better place

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>>54584458
>Please convert to.Islam
The All-Highest be praised!

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Rolled 8 (1d10)

>Septimus "Sevens" Calcoletti, LN Human Untouchable Rager/Primalist Bloodrager
Needs proofreading, typos in the text made it unpleasant to read. Formatting is also odd.
Being a sort of "null" while being expected to show great arcane prowess is a neat high concept, I like that.
The writing is desperate for improvement - it doesn't flow well, I had to reread chunks several times to comprehend what was going on.
Overall:
>Pros: I think the concept is solid. The idea is interesting, and you didn't go into the common pitfalls like being the brooding nerd in the dark corners. The character looks decently fun.
>Cons: The writing and the formatting need a lot of help. Furthermore, as a more serious problem, I'm not sure how well he'd work with a theme of intrigue, given that his backstory is more fitting for a straight up adventurer.

Lemme see who's next.

>>54584567
lol

Rolled 6 (1d10)

>>54584567
Welp, that's a reroll.

>>54584567
Yeah, scrapping him anyways.

>>54584501
That's a cute girl you have there, where is he from?

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Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>54584575
>>54584501
>Darvan Hender, CN Tiefling Living Legend Soulknife

The most normalguy app on the list. I also feel somewhat obligated to be particularly harsh due to this being in a duo app with me.
It's mediocre and that's about all I can say about the app.
It doesn't have any glaring drawbacks, but the lack of appealing traits is the biggest problem here.
He doesn't seem to have any goals or aspirations, just pretty much a burnt out student, feels like a millennial who Isekai'd into Cheliax and got a mindblade desu.
Overall:
>Pros: None.
>Cons: None.
The lack of strong identity is a big problem for this app.

>>54584624
Prunus Girl.

>>54584666
I have to go away for a bit before continuing with this one.
TO BE CONTINUED

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Rolled 7 (1d10)

>>54584710
>>54584501
>Patricius Sloan, CN Bladebound/Kensai Magus
The writing is physically painful to read, sentence structure is arbitrary as fuck.
The part about the magic blade is particularly jank and feels like much could be improved about it.
Otherwise, the character feels solid and a good fit for both the setting and the premise.
Overall:
>Pros: The character seems like a really good fit for the campaign, striking the head on the head.
>Cons: The writing is really hard to read, the segment about acquiring a talking blade feels odd and off-beat
Pretty good overall, if he fixes the problems I have with him mentioned above, I expect him to get in, barring stuff like timeslot nonsense. But, as is, the problems seem significant.

NEXT

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Rolled 6 (1d6)

>>54584843
>>54584501
>Grigori 'The Feather' Vintali, CN Human Aegis/Ghostblade Soulknife
>herolab sheet
>2017
He has all the same problems as Darvan Hender outlined here:
>>54584666
I just don't really see anything interesting about the character other than courtesan's kit on a male character memes.
The hook to Elvargian being extremely shaky doesn't help either.

NEXT
New list to avoid duplicates:
1. Adhara Elmizar Pleione, NG Angelic Aasimar Cleric of Sarenrae
2. Kadaya Vasetu/Kayani, TN/CN Yokai Kitsune Tesatsu Vigilante
3. Adalbert Oaktree, LN Human Wyvern Rider Dread VMC Cavalier
4. Eris Stiretsi/Pepper, NG/TN Elf Empiricist Investigator/Warlock Vigilante
5. Salus Astrom, CN Fetchling Mesmerist
6. Embry Winespeckle, NG Human Shadow Pact Avowed

>>54584882
Don't forget to refresh

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Rolled 1 (1d5)

>>54584882
All in all, I like it.
Barmaids make for pretty fun PC's, the pitch is fun and interesting.
One thing that puzzles me is how would Karvane know about her secret?
While an explicit answer to that isn't necessary, a few hints could be great.
And, again, like many other apps, the lack of aspiration hurts her. Why would she want to intrigue without having aspirations of her own?
Overall:
>Pros: Solid pitch, pretty enjoyable overall
>Cons: Plot hole regarding Karvane's apparent omniscience would be helped by fixing it. Additionally, she doesn't seem to have aspirations of her own, which are kind of necessary in an intrigue game.

NEXT
1. Adhara Elmizar Pleione, NG Angelic Aasimar Cleric of Sarenrae
2. Kadaya Vasetu/Kayani, TN/CN Yokai Kitsune Tesatsu Vigilante
3. Adalbert Oaktree, LN Human Wyvern Rider Dread VMC Cavalier
4. Eris Stiretsi/Pepper, NG/TN Elf Empiricist Investigator/Warlock Vigilante
5. Salus Astrom, CN Fetchling Mesmerist

>>54584894
Did so.

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>>54584941
>Adhara Elmizar Pleione, NG Angelic Aasimar Cleric of Sarenrae
Overall:
>Pros: Great tits.
>Cons: Lack of anything else.

I wanted to continue further, but Captcha just killed my will to live by requiring about 10 prompts in a row.
I'm sorry, that's it for today, folks.

MOST FUN ARCANE CASTING CLASS
>Bard
MOST FUN DIVINE CASTING CLASS
>Inquisitor
MOST FUN PSYCHIC CASTING CLASS
>Occultist

Can we all agree that casters who go to 6 were the only thing that wasn't a mistake yet?

Most fun noncaster is Unchained Rogue

>>54584958
>Great tits

I've seen better.

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>>54585464
They're the best out of Intrigue apps so far tbqh.

>>54585480
Probably why Adhara will get into the game anyways.
We know how /pfg/ games go. 4 sluts and a twink. Every. Single. Time.

>>54585480
The lack of chesty femme fatales or black widows for a campaign about intrigue and subterfuge is a little concerning!

>>54585509
Honestly most of the apps don't fit the tone.
Most are just random adventurers

>>54585529
As per usual, a quick rundown of the apps made me realize the people who didn't "get it" the most were the male apps.

>>54585508
Not every time. Sometimes it's a six person party, for some goddamn reason.

>>54585632
I never understood why people do that, four high-powered people is trouble enough, but six?

>>54585573
Yeah, but I'm about to scrap my character and go Psychic Searcher Oracle with the Intrigue Mystery.

>>54585447
Wrong asshole it's Magus, Warpriest and Phantom Blade Spiritualist because whacking people at the same time as casting your spells is radical

>>54585508
>me getting into anything with my abysmal schedule
Haha now there's a laugh

>>54585805
>implying /pfg/ parties aren't just the GM picking the overlewd
>implying that's not why they fall apart all the timw-

>>54585814
He still has to find other people willing to play on weekends only, probably without a mic, and deal with (as whoever the fuck keeps reporting on me says) "a shitter that doesn't use quotation marks".

Starfinder When?

>>54585840
Playing with a mic is superior to without one though.

>>54585914
This, text sucks ass.

>>54585914
Yeah except his preferred time is literally wee hours for me, and I dorm over weekends.

>>54585914
>>54585918
Sure, for you, but I was born with a rare medical condition that prevents me from speaking because my mouth doesn't open. I have to eat and drink through a tube that runs through my nose, and you don't even want to know the hell that is getting sick and throwing up. I can't play games over voice, but my fingers work just fine.

All that's a lie but my point is some people like text more and that's fine. Liking voice is fine too, but neither one is better. It's just an opinion.

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>want to play around with the Strange Magic classes and Ultimate Herbalism
>no one ever has games where they're allowed because nobody uses them
>no GM experience so can't run Strange Magic game

>>54586413
So this is what bored Epic Wizards do after they've gotten tired of Wish and their Elder Lilith sex slaves are getting boring.

>>54585918
Lewd game doesn't work with mic, anon. No one wants to hear your autistic moaning

Mythweavers has two different types of Pathfinder character sheets. There's the "Pathfinder" sheet and the "Pathfinder [Experimental]" sheet. Which one is better?

>>54587199
Experimental is better.
The regular one is for 3.5 nostalgia fags.

>>54587275
I was just comparing the two sheets and was about to write the experimental sheet off as obviously inferior because I couldn't see a section for spells. Then I noticed there's a checkbox at the top for whether the character is a caster or not, which toggles an extra page for spells on and off. That's pretty neat, it means I don't have to have an empty page for all the spells my Barbarian doesn't know hanging on to the end of his sheet. There's also room for more feats/class features (72 instead of 60) and spells (120 instead of 66) on the experimental sheet, which is nice since I always worry about eventually running out of room on digital sheets.

IMO, the experiment sheet also looks nicer. The regular PF sheet on Mythweavers is pretty uggo. The only perk I can really say it has over the experimental version is that it displays your character portrait on the first page, instead of the third or fourth page like the experimental one does.

>>54587199
Experimental one calculates AC incorrectly for certain purposes but has a fuckoff huge spell list that you might need as a caster.

>>54587345
>experiment sheet looks nicer, regular one is ugly
Are you one of those people who thinks bubbles and huge spacing looks nice?

>>54587357
It's less that the bubbles and spacing looks nice and more that the regular sheet just looks bad. I really hate the front page, with the big stack of thick, black lines in the middle of it.

>>54587395
Really? The reason I use the regular sheet is because the experimental one looks unbearably fucking ugly to me (and because, as a prepared caster most of the time I play casters, there's not enough room on either sheet anyway)

>>54587441
What do you do for your spells once you've run out of room? Just type out a list of them all that you send to the DM when you're done?

>>54587483
Keep it in a pastebin generally speaking, or a notebook I keep at my side since I'm not a big enough cheater to just change the spells I know. I mean consider the number of spells a Wizard 10 knows by default (cantrips, 7 free 1spells, 18 other spells), then consider that he's going to be copying at least three times that number if the DM isn't going full "no scrolls exist".
The ones you have actually prepared you generally have enough room for anyway.

Anyone got the link to Vult's fey healer class? Someone told me it got revised and I want to see if its worth trying to app with.

>>54587357
>calculates AC incorrectly
For which purposes?

>>54587536
Misc. bonus to AC isn't added to Touch AC.

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>>54584458

>>54584395
Whats wrong with kawase?

>>54584368
Both games look boring for different reasons.

>>54587885
First concept is a lot cooler to me

>>54587885
First concept is definitely better, yeah.

>>54584303
Yes, I'm doing work on Godslayer game. It's going to require a lot of it, which is why the 2 months. And making 20 level gestalts with 10 mythic levels is not just time consuming, it will also take tweaking.

The scenario is technically a one-shoot, but it may take 3-10 or so sessions to run unles everyone decides "fuck it, 12 hour game marathon": which is unlikely.

>>54587541
>>54587536
You an adjust it manually, however. You kind of have to for monks.

>>54588063
Specifically 'm doing work on it this weekend. Afteer I sleep. Because 72 hours awake is annoying.

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>>54587940
>>54587959
Well then, I guess I know what I'm working on!

>>54588126
I look forward to maybe being in a party with you! It sounds like a cool background befitting the power level of the campaign.

>>54587952
Unlike Fighters, Primary Casters have Will as a good save, and also unlike Fighters, Primary Casters can simply reapply their buffs. Or have Aroden's Spellbane set up specifically for Mage's Disjunction or Antimagic Field.

Does the bonus on attack rolls for higher ground apply when neither creature is actually on the ground? Like if they're both flying or swimming, but one is above the other.

>>54585863
What do you want out of it, matey?

>>54588279
Games! Fun!

>>54588206
>items use the possessors will save bonus
>not the will save total, just the bonus
>because all items make the saves individually as items
>all spells automatically cancelled
>including all the caster's buffs and defenses
Hmmmm.

It's been just confirmed the owner of d20pfsrd will make a starfinder srd after gencon.
The url will be starfindersrd.com, though it's not up yet.

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>>54588197
>mfw the build is beginning to sink in
>mfw Zealot is actually kind of trash

>>54588296
Too bad! You'll get Casterfans trying to fix the magic system by bringing in Wizards and all their high level spells!

And only their pet DMPC will have access to it!

>>54588355
I bet a lot of people will be rocking trash builds probably myself included since so few of us have experience with making or playing 20th level Mythic 10 gestalt characters.

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>>54588366
SHUT UP.

>>54588223
Technically yes.By RAW, if you are above your opponent and in melee you get the bonus, if you are above your opponent and he is prone and at range, he gets the onus.

Also, I hate that everyone uses prone to indicate lying down. sometimes you're supine, not prone!

What if I made a Level 20 Adept with 10 ranks in Hierophant for Godslayer?

>>54588428
If you mean the NPC class...don't.

>>54588428
Then you'd have access to Heal at a lower spell level than anybody else in the game!

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You were chasing after the big bad to stop his nefarious plans, then you see this on the horizon. Wat do /pfg/

>>54588355
Zealot isn't the archetypes are, in varying degrees, for giving up the good stuff.

Look at all that stuff you pick up as a zealot, which is stuffed with loads of features, and think about how they'd all be used together.

For one thing, collective means people don't die when killed. It also allows you to cheat range on maneuvers when it comes to targeting allies.

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>>54588444
>>54588457
I want to do it

>>54588470
I send 120 of my Simulacra to stop it.

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>>54588539
No cheating.

>>54588579
On the contrary, it's entirely rules-legal.

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>>54588594
I define munchkinry as cheating, and we know that's munchkinry.

>>54588470
Change bearing by 30 degrees, fire salvo from collosal +3 distance, cyclonic, sonic boom thark rifles. If that isn't effective then I command the same from the Colossal Hotchkiss 6 pounders. If that doesn't work then I command the same for the colossal rocket launchers. If all those failed then switch to cruiser mode and zoop out of there with 1+ mile a round fly speed

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>>54588513
>Look at all that stuff you pick up as a zealot, which is stuffed with loads of features, and think about how they'd all be used together.

>Stuffed with "features"
>Safety net and ability to use maneuvers beyond 200 feet

>>54588763
Pick up a psicrystal and use echoes of steel to give it your favorite Golden lion maneuver that grants you a move action.

Congrats, now you can double the number of maneuvers you can recover.

>>54588763
What about Void Prophet?

>>54584390
Possibly today, a short one since last session was entirely dialog and traveling. Wild Surge wanted some time to draw a picture to accompany it, I think.

>>54588801
>>54588812
It's more an issue of me trying to find what this class does better than the Warder, Warlord or even Harbinger.

>>54588763
The one listed was just an example. If you take an archetype to trade out the other good things they have going such as missions, recovery options, compartmentalized aid, zeal, then it isn't really fair to then say 'where the fee-fees at?'

>>54588812
Void prophet is worse than Discordant crusader because of the recovery method. If you can get that DC to force people into the collective high, then it's alright good. Otherwise, you are not going to recover maneuvers period. If you don't fight in long slogs that require it then you can still be alright though; but, considering the number of abilities that would be shut down from not having collective enemies it still isn't preferable if you wanted to offset the loss of your missions.

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Have you ever used 2hu-inspired monsters/NPCs? Or played a 2hu-inspired character?

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>>54588978
Are you 2hu?

>>54588978
I made a really crappy Sakuya knock off once as an enemy the players would have to fight in an evil noble's mansion.

Other than that, not really.

>>54587614

He's a stuck up rich chink teenager going to an western school who constantly shits on Americans for not being as rich and Chinese as he is, and goes on long political rants about how China is going to take over the west.

Also he never stops talking. He'll argue for 4 hours and resurrect arguments, too. Sometimes on weekends he'll talk for 14 hours straight and none of it will be about pathfinder. Kawase and Startoad, and to a lesser extent Luci and Mashallah are the reasons that people broke off from the regular chat and rules had to be put in place.

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Why do no PC classes use adept style casting progression?

>>54589356

Because there's no reason to stay in adept, and if adepts got some sort of patch to remain competitive(like getting early access to some spells so they don't fall COMPLETELY behind), it would fuck up balance by changing scroll accessibility/powering up other tier 1/2 classes by letting them loophole into acccessing higher level spells EVEN FASTER.

They're called NPC classes for a reason.

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>>54588978
I wanted to play a tiefling harbinger using claws and black seraph school. would have been sort of a homage to Remy (particularly the fighting game incarnation where she's frighteningly fast)

>>54589390
Nigga I mean 5th level casting, not the adept class or its spell list

>>54588355
>mfw Zealot is actually kind of trash

If you think this, you are oh so fucking wrong.

No other initiator has a better maneuver recovery system, and the bullshit you can do with that alone is baffling.

There's a good guide for it online if you are REALLY having that much trouble making one of the strongest if not the strongest PoW class good.

>>54589347
Well, sorry, anon. I just like to talk, and I didn't realise I was so cancerous. I'll try to talk about Pathfinder more.

>>54589347
There isn't a guarantee he'll get in, though, and if he does just say that you won't be playing for some bullshit reason.

>>54589483
>No other initiator has a better maneuver recovery system

[laughing Mystics in the distance]

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>>54589264
I wish

>>54587663
There hasn't been an interesting game in my opinion for a long time on pgg.

>>54589483
Having a solid maneuver recovery doesn't really excuse the rest of the class being bad.

>>54589588
The last truly interesting game was Blingmaker, desu senpai. You could make an argument for Ensoulment but that was due to the applicants more than the campaign itself.

>>54589588
Fiendish intrigue looks mildly interesting but it ends soon and most applications are shit.

>>54589551
They don't have a better one than Zealot. Fight me.

Oh wow, free action for one random maneuver back and starting the fight with a gimped list most levels!

Meanwhile, Zealots recover roughly 5-8 maneuvers of their choosing every goddamn turn while eclipsing how many they have ready at the start of combat. They get so many back that they seek out ways to give them out to other people to use.

It also makes counter builds more reliable, considering you can initiate up to four or five per round with the right build.

>>54589622
Are you saying yours could be better? You should try it!

>>54589590
The rest of the class isn't bad, but I'm not going to argue against someone who hasn't exactly stated the problem he has with it other than "It's bad, Warder Warlord and Harbinger kek is better."

What problems are you having with it?

>>54584303
>There isn't a guarantee he'll get in, though

I don't think you realize how interconnected many of these games, the GMs, and the people they invite in are. More often than not it's going to end up being a group of the GM's friends.

>>54589638
Gimped list? You're only down three manuevers at any given levels!

>>54589588
What DMs have made the nost interesting games?

SUPER INTERESTING may also apply

>>54589676
Yeah most of the apps are from people on the discord that talk to the GM daily.
Tough luck for randos and non-inner circle pfgers

>>54589685
That's still gimped, anon. Considering how much manuevers can mess with the action economy, Zealots are free to blow three on the first round of combat. A Mystic does that in the early-mid level, most their list is gone and trickles back at random.

>>54589676
>There isn't a guarantee he'll get in, though

Many of the applicants for Intrigue seem to be friends or at least associates of the GM. I don't think you understand how many of these games that are advertised and aren't bambies end up being echo chamber jerkclubs for their friends, and how the games run by randos end up being bambies.

I'm fine with circlejerks. I get that people want to associate with the likeminded and those they know they'll get along with. What I don't like is them acting like it's anything else. With reviewanonry being such a thing it may be that the only reason games are made public even though their friends are the only ones who get accepted is so that a bunch of randoms can be reviewed for everyone to see on here, and them getting accepted was never a possibility

>>54588913
Speaking of which, are there any Missions that are trap options, or are all of them viable depending on the build?

Are any of the special properties for magic armor particularly worth it? I'm trying to decide whether I want to wear heavy armor or use on the the armor-granting revelations for an Oracle. The AC on the armor from the revelation eventually hits +12, which is 2 less than +5 full plate would give. It's also free, but you can't enhance it like real armor so I'm wondering if I'd be missing out on any juicy special enhancements that I could be putting on real armor.

>>54589667
Honestly? It doesn't feel like a strong stabby stab class. I look at Warder with its d12 and fuck-off threat range and +5 Aegis, I look at Stalker with its effective +6 bonus to strength, +5 Armor and Str-to-Dex, hell I look at Harbinger and see all these AC boons and Attack bonuses and increases to movement or what-have-you.

And then I look at the Zealot. What do I see in the Zealot? You get a mild bonus to attack after already attacking, and can initiate maneuvers in members of the collective. Yay.

>>54589784
Defiance is bad. I can't see a reason to ever pick it honestly. Stalwart is attainable from an Aegis Dip along with a bunch of other amazing goodies, and Unshakable will is only good for avoiding Aid Another checks on a natural 1 in combat.

Creation isn't terrible on the whole, but it's better to prevent damage/death than to heal it. There are better options for healing even then, though free action healing is nice.

Destruction and Protection are by far the best two options, depending on what you are aiming for of course.

>>54589784
It depends on how girlish the character's outfit is.

>>54589520
Is what he says true?

I want to make the most Kamen Rider character possible but I can only use 1pp, what should I do?

>>54589520
>I didn't realise I was so cancerous
Bullshit, Kawase being cancer gets brought up all the damn time.

>I'll try to talk about Pathfinder more
Muh B3 jerkoff character could beat X shit is not Pathfinder discussion.

>>54589950
Vigilante. Avenger. Get the transformation sequence talent.
Also get perform (posing)

One of the best things about Pathfinder is the variety of player character options. Anons, what are your groups like? What does your party consist of?

>>54590074
>implying I was ever picked for a game I applied to
At this point I just stopped trying.

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>>54589983
Perform (posing) is for Jojo
You want Perform (oratory) to talk about JUSTICE

>>54589829
Okay, that clears up something pretty easily. You are looking for a class to murder people with. Zealot can do that, and do it well, but other classes have more united class features in that regard.

First off, increased movement is kind of overrated which is a big problem for Harbinger since so much of it's features are devoted to it. I personally don't like the class because it's SO focused on doing one thing; Killing people.

If you are looking for a powerful murdering machine from Zealot, Natural Attacks are your best bet. Being able to refresh attacks like Frenzy Strike or Cornered Frenzy Strike every round makes you a complete monster. If you go full ham with it, you can get 25 attacks against each enemy you threaten with Cornered Frenzy while also giving every hit an additional 4d6 damage.

Combine it with Golden Lion Command to make the DM tear his hair out if he likes to stick to mechanics. You also give every ally within 30 feet 5 tempHP for each individual attack you land that round. It only lasts for a round, but you'll be refreshing it every turn anyways.

Honestly though, I should probably warn you away from Zealot. There's a lot of research into the right manuever combos and primo dip options to turn them into absolute monsters. I think Harbinger would probably be a better fit for a 20 campaign. I know I said I didn't like Harbinger earlier but a) If you want to kill stuff, it's your class and b) The capstone features are pretty nice and you skip right to them so it's not as bad as trying to level one up.

Also as a last minute side not, earlier you mentioned the collective range being 200 feet I think. By level 20, the collective range is endless. It also goes across planes.

Why doesn't your character wear a moustache?

>>54590097
Where were you applying?

>>54590232
I wanted him to have one, but I decided to go with a beard instead.

>>54590232
Forever DM

>>54590232
Because it takes a while to grow one and his facial structure makes it troublesome. He's still at the stubble stage, and will be for a little while.

>>54590232
Because he's a shapeshifter and decided not to wear one.

>>54590232
I don't need to grow one to show off a sense of manliness that is cartoony and fictional because I actually had male role models growing up.

>>54589807
Fortification is generally the top pick. Some armor enchantments are good for the right class. A Zealot or any other Aid Another build likes having the Benevolent enchantment because it can effectively double his armor's enhancement bonus to AC for him. Cavaliers like

>>54590232
Because if he had a moustache you couldn't see his smug smile when he is better than you.

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>>54590416
>mfw low-test NuMales think growing a beard and wearing plaid somehow makes up for their effeminate habits and cowardly ways

>>54590422
Well, the aid another thing isn't something I was planning to do since my build isn't specced for that, but thanks for the answer. I'd forgot Fortification even exists, but yeah, those probably are good enchantments to have. Personally though, the only enchantment I can recall having ever added to my armor was Spell Storing (immediate action Vampiric Touch against an enemy if they knock me down to low HP? Yes please!), which is why I had to ask about others.

Is 1d6+11 damage and +9/+9 (without counting magic items) ok at 5th level? My AC is lacking though, only 21. And my saves are 12/8/11

>>54590232
Because he's Kellid. They can't really grow facial hair beyond manly stubble.

>>54589347

Leaving Discord was the best decision I've made recently

>>54589588

There's been lots of games with hugely varied premise. You're probably so burnt out that nothing can meet whatever standards you have now for 'interesting'.

Same with characters. Solid characters just get collectively discarded as boring. The community is collectively blind about what makes a good character in favor of entertaining memes.

Did essentia finish it's picks?

>>54590537
>They can't really grow facial hair beyond manly stubble.

EXTREMELY manly stubble, like 80s action hero stubble. The kind of stubble you want to rub your fingers on all night.

>>54589347
>Mashallah is somehow one of the reasons behind the discord split despite joining after it happened
Time travel is spooky.

>>54590455
It's not their fault they were raised by single mothers who gave everything to their "little man", in a world where they never had to learn failure or opposition.

>>54590540
Whats the discord info?

>>54590616
>>54590455
This is an impressive mythology you've created to distract from your own shortcomings. Do go on, it's fascinating to see this much work put into a delusion.

>>54590643
The pot should not be calling the kettle black.

>>54590643
Oh, I'm very aware of my own shortcomings. I'm not the one who grew a beard to be the man his runaway father never was for him.

>>54589611
What was blingmaker about? From what I've heard its basically just "make money" but I wasn't here for the app process.

I thought Ensoulment was more interesting as a campaign than for the applications it received, most seemed way overmemed but the campaign itself struck me as a pretty great idea.

>>54590691
>What was blingmaker about?

Modified Kingmaker campaign focused on making fat stacks of cash and frivolously spending it on things you'd otherwise scoff at in a "normal" campaign, like mansions or gilding on your armor. From greentexts and the general tone of the advertisement itself, the campaign seems to be fairly "wild" and "fantastical" without entering what I'd call "anime."

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>>54590232
Because he's too busy being a badass and he can't grow facial hair anymore.

I love hero’s defiance spell so much, is so fucking flavourful

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>>54590232
Because she's half-elf.

>>54590810
>without entering what I'd call "anime."
Oh are you in for a treat.

>>54590917
Please tell me you guys didn't have a hot springs session.

>>54591030
Hehehehe...No, you're good. It was just some wonderfully cheesy named attacks.

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What's the stuff that makes a character interesting?

>>54591147
How sexy their picture is.

>>54591147
Breast size.

>>54591147
Depends on the player or GM.

Some would say you need exhaustive detail. That you'd need to research exactly what kind of boots your character would wear, and what they're called, and how to clean them.

Some just think you need to constantly have your character doing significant, meaningful actions while you show off how many words for their particular hair color you know.

Some people just think that your character needs a good hook and that you can just improvise the rest.

>>54591030
Wouldn't a hot spring be a fantastic source of income if you built bathing facilities and inns around them? You know, like an Onsen only not weeb.

>>54591147
The greatest characters in fiction have always been ordinary (relatable) people thrust into extraordinary situations.

>>54590565
yes

>Spymaster: Eadric Hwitæcer, played by Stein; A bitter, world-weary man from the ruined city of Tandem, he holds a deep-seated hatred for each of the factions, and through a display of his own talents he hopes to enact his revenge upon those who scarred him, his home and his kindred.

>Herald: Fidda Rostami, played by Siobhan. An old associate of Jargis himself, Fidda's got a bit more than just 'changes' in mind for Mestys; Having lived in Tandem she's come to understand the struggles of the poor and desolate. With this, she's got certain revolutionary plans tucked behind her thoughts.

>Diplomat: Rosalin, played by Scratch. A homonculus created to ease the heart of a man who had lost his wife, she's now set upon the world in her own freedom after his own death. A caretaker and public servant, she'll serve as the calming words of Mestys and soothe the relationships between it and other major civilizations.

>Magister: Red Elder-End Mythcéal/Haeldra the Red, played by Karvane. A flower nymph from the hidden regions of the Blue Forest, the strongest of her kindred were slain by the massive bomb that was launched by the people of Essa. Losing her old master in this, she reached back into the forest and learned terrible arts that ostracized her from her people and caused them to fear her. In this, she traveled the world and now finds the perfect opportunity to create a new home for her kind, and research the powers of Wen for herself.

>Scholar: Delilah, played by Mojiro. A much younger and smaller Homonculus, made for the purpose of being a woman's "daughter" and personal aide for research, she was significantly better at the latter. Utterly devoted into her desire to bring the world into a new technologica era, she's an expert in Essentia and the position as a court scholar grants her all the power in the world to achieve her goals.

>>54591210
>A bitter, world-weary man
>deep-seated hatred
>scarred him
Did he also have a missing arm and a pre-broken code of conduct?

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I banned the Arcane Trickster in the gestalt game I'm running.

Can anyone recommend some alternatives for my player? PoW, DSP Psionics, and VMC are available.

>>54591266
Why?

>>54584390
It was a complete bamboozle. There was one short session but nothing since.

>>54591266
>ban arcane trickster
Uh, any reason for that?

>>54591382
Nigga why are you still pushing this shit

>>54591382
>>54584390
I'm willing to bet money these are both one of the Ensoulment PCs trying to fish for attention.

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>>54591295
>>54591392
Unearthed Arcana, page 73:

>Prestige classes that are essentially class combinations—such as the arcane trickster, mystic theurge, and eldritch knight—should be prohibited if you’re using gestalt classes, because they unduly complicate the game balance of what’s already a high-powered variant.

I already banned Cerebremancer for another player who wanted to be a Psion/Illusionist.

He ended up playing a Kensai Magus/Wizard.

>>54584390
>>54591382
The greentext is in the works. There have been some delays, but it'll be posted when it's ready.

>>54584390
I just want a game that isn't run by one of the inner circle.

>>54591444
Now I want to play a Zealot or Vitalist and give my party members mind-shattering orgasms.

>>54590691
See >>54590810, but it's also focused on throwing out Kingmaker's existing plot for something better with a bigger focus on Brevoy's impending civil war than a random fae lady. The part about making money involves a custom template called Gilded, which is a Mythic-esque (but weaker than Mythic) addition to a character that makes them stronger the richer they are.

>>54591030
That didn't happen, don't worry! But greentext of the last few sessions will be incoming sometime today or tomorrow, so you'll have to wait until then to find out what did happen.

>>54591147
I've been thinking a lot more about how to make characters lately, and looking at characters other people have made to try and understand what makes the difference. A lot of it is situational, of course- the tone of a game and the preferences of the DM account for a lot- but I've begin to realize lately that when it comes to a backstory for a character, you don't want to just say what happened to your character in the past and you DEFINITELY don't want to write it like a chronological history of your character. Instead, I think you should devote your character's backstory to explaining who they are now by carefully thinking about who your character is and explaining what made them that way using a combination of general terms and a limited number of specific events. Nobody wants to read fifty paragraphs of backstory detailing a character's childhood, but a concise backstory that provides insight into a character's mindset and allows a reader to understand and empathize with the character is golden.

But, like, that's just my opinion, man.

>>54591501
If you're gonna play a collective-using class, zealot is a damn good choice.

>>54591492
So put up a Roll20 game and fish for some randos?
Put up a sign at your local game store and see if anyone bites?
Ask around and see if any of your friends have free time to play a game?

How do I get into Craft Wondrous Item if I'm not a spellcasting class?

Is there a better way besides Master Craftsman, which requires you to hit level 5 BEFORE you can even take CWI or CMA

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>>54591550
Mystic, from PoW

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/mystic#TOC-Animus-Su-

>Her levels in mystic count as arcane spellcaster levels for the purposes of qualifying for prerequisites (such as those of item creation feats or the Arcane Strike feat), and if a mystic ever develops arcane spellcasting from another class, she may add her mystic level to her levels in that class to determine her overall caster level for the purposes of item creation feats.

>>54584303
Can I load a halfling sling staff while using a buckler without penalty?

The Buckler says you can use a bow or a crossbow without penalty but it doesn't mention slings or a sling staff.

>>54591708
Slings are so bad compared to bows that I'd be inclined to say yes without even if the description of bucklers DID mention slings specifically. And I guess, by RAW, you might be fine if the text doesn't allude to ranged weapons other than bows/crossbows. But you'll have to consult your DM, because that's kind of sketchy.

>>54591603
Sadly, no PoW. Thank you though, I'll keep that in mind for other games.

>>54591492
In the progress of gaining enough trust from /pfg/ that you'll be able to run a game that's not shit, you'll have people think you're part of the inner circle because you've got a presence and aren't a total nobody.

The alternative is bamboozle central.

>>54591744
A halfling sling staff wielded by a human requires exotic weapon proficiency but it deals 1d8+str damage at 80 feet. That's directly comparable to a jacked up composite longbow.

>>54591802
And that being said, I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE ARE MAKING APPS! I have the intent to add one or two campaign traits along with the rest of the factions update, so y'all should possibly look into that!

Questions and feelings of self-doubt are welcome.

>>54591550
As per paizo FAQ, SLA's qualify you for CL prerequisites. There's a few traits that give SLA's with scaling CL.

>>54588206
Aroden's soellbane is a 9th level spell.

>>54591827
Did you miss the part where reloading a sling staff is a move action?

What are the backstory pitfalls when writing a backstory for characters like elves, tieflings and so on?

>>54591877
Nah I just figured there was some sort of way to mitigate the shittyness of it.

>>54591917
Not taking advantage of your race mostly. You don't have to be a stereotype, but playing anything as just human with a different skin is usually a sign that a player is either just in for the stats or just wants their character to be special by default. Neither of these are desirable traits in a player.

It doesn't have to go far, but even a passing acknowledgement of how their race impacts them can make a character way more interesting. Like an elf that was raised among humans and does act like one, but carries a lot of baggage over outliving everyone they knew growing up, or a tiefling who actually was accepted by his humanoid parents and his peers but only now has to start dealing with prejudices and hate against him that he never knew at home.

>>54591844
This is the kind of shit I'm looking for. Remember any of the trait names?

>>54591917
>Trying to turn what they are into who they are, forgetting to write a personality onto a character and just making them a list of traits.
>Overusing stereotypes and making them into "just an elf" or "a typical tiefling"
>Conversely, playing them as being too human to the point where their race didn't impact them at all.
>Failing to find a way to excuse their advanced starting age, resulting in your character just sitting around doing nothing for decades.

>>54592017
Literally look it up. There should be a faith trait to that according to discord.

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It's Technomancer Time, /piggies/!

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljzz?Class-Preview-The-Technomancer

Once they get access to 5th Level stuff, one of them is basically "Make an Iron Man suit"

>>54592050
I found one that works for me, thanks for the suggestion.

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When Starfinder is leaked or comes out on August the 17th, will you play it? Will you host a /pgg/ game?

>>54592271
Some people on the Discord are planning a /sfg/ living campaign, I think.

>>54592271
Yes. I plan to organize a large Starfinder event for /pfg/, not a campaign so much as a test run of the game. I (and hopefully a few assistant DMs) will run an assortment of parties through identical dungeon crawls so we can all see what builds do best and get a feel for how the classes function. That's the plan, at least.

>>54592271
I've got a few ideas warming up, but I don't know if I'll use them for a /pgg/ game

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>>54592271
I can't host games due to anxiety and health issues, but I've been having character ideas swirling in my head since they announced the soldier class and it actually turned out to look good.

>>54592308
That sounds like great fun.

>>54592000
Nationality is far more important than race. A human that was raised in a majority dwarven nation is going to have manurisms most people stereotype as dwarfish.

>>54592271
Depends- is there a doctor-ish class that doesn't use magic but technology?

>>54592271
I'm working on the LFG for my game right now.

>>54592345
Any of the classes can be built for that, since anybody can brew up pharmaceuticals. You might be most intent on the Mechanic class, though.

>>54592345
See here:
>>54592214

In Starfinder, Magic and Technology blend together. I don't think you can separate them anymore

What would happen if DHB joined the /pfg/ discord? Would the cabal shitpost him out of it?

>>54592358
Tell me more.

>>54592390
We would embrace him with legs around his waist.

>>54592408
Phantom thieves in Victorian space.

>>54592390
>cabal
>/pfg/ discord

thats not how it works

So, uh, stupid question, but how does muscle memory interact with CMD? You add both Dex and Str normally, but MM means you shouldn't be adding Dex anymore since it replaces Dex for AC? I ask because of the FAQs about the Oracle Revelations that said the Dex replacers also mess with CMD.

>>54592390
He'd probably just post on occasion, not interact with others much unless personally prompted, and check in every now and then to drop off homebrew or maybe talk if he wanted to talk.

>>54592461
Aww, that seems too sneaky and quiet.

>>54592469
Explain

>>54592487
There's the /pfg/ discord and the cabal discord.

>>54592461
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaIo82uT0qs

>>54592482
Depends. Phantom Thieves kill hundreds of shadows on their path to changing people. They also fight bosses.

>>54592539
P5 has a killer OST. Blooming Villains is quickly become one of my favorite boss themes just in general.

What is the best archtype for fighter/bard

I basically want fighter proficienies/feats and the skills/inspire courage from bard. I don't want bard/barbarian because fuck rage and the whole IM A NORD/VIKING/SCOTSMAN type aesthetic with those classes. I don't need all the fighter proficiencies obviously but I'd like medium armor and some type of cool martial weapons. The abilities I want to keep from bard are inspire courage and jack of all trades basically if there's some way to keep that. I'd rather dabble in fighter than dabble in bard because I really want to keep jack of all trades because I'm a dirty whore.

I want more feats though because I'm a dirty whore. I'd be willing to give up spellcasting entirely because who the fuck cares.

>>54592590
arcane duelist bard

>>54592580
My only exposure to it is this.

https://youtu.be/WUWQFnC2zqU

Moe is inextricably linked with Persona now.

>>54592482
>>54592539
I've actually never played a Persona game so my expectations might be a bit different.

Anyways. It's Victorian so the plan is to encourage romantic thievery with panache, and it's in space so the space thieves are more accurately space pirates.

>>54592562
Ooh! That sounds fun, then! I'm sick of playing sneaky DEXfags! I want to play a lizard and beat the heck out of people!

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Does Rogue improve as a class if spellcasters are banned from the game?

What would a good class for skill monkeying be in such game?

>>54592658
You need someone to haul away the pile of loot

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Alright anons. I have an odd question. If I was to run an ice themed caster, which of the adventure paths would be the least likely to give me trouble with resistances and whatnot?

>>54592615
So I'm going to have to give up bardic knowledge and jack of all trades if I want this type of archtype? I'm kind of sad now.

>>54592620
You too? Every time I hear that song I hear three shotgun blasts right on that one cue.

>>54592650
Woo! Okay! I'm happy with space pirates! You always need an incompetent lizard doctor that's more proficient at killing than saving!

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>>54592658
My apologies, they'll be a custom race list for the setting because I hate the Starfinder races.

>>54592358
I'll join if it's good and allows lewd.

>>54592691
You cannot get EVERYTHING you want you don't get to be a bard/fighter gestalt out of the box

>>54592714
Oh well, that's fine!

Please give everyone one bonus feat at level 1 no matter the race

PLEASE :(

>>54592693
I enjoy the dissonance of Moe being involved with the anime, psychological, interpersonal-relationship-ey Persona

It's like this.

https://youtu.be/O3VR9DLpr8o

>>54592737
Is there some sort of fighter/cavalier archetype that specializes in aid another type shit/inspire courage type stuff? Jack of All Trades/Bardic Knowledge and Inspire Courage are basically the only things I want from bard so if I can't have those as a bard/fighter archetype then there is no point in staying as a bard.

>>54592791
If you can use 3pp, the Inspiring Commander archetype for Cavaliers is EXACTLY what you want. They're good at Aiding, can do it at range, and get some bardic performances that are Extraordinary.

>>54592723
>>54592754
I'm going to hop off this discussion after before I get people too excited and turn this into a meme game or start planning characters.
The game is most likely going to happen and I'll post the LFG here after the core rulebook is "public" for the thread, but I'm buying it on release and there's still a chance that I won't like the system since I'm not even sure I like Pathfinder.

It won't be a lewd game, and I intend to have a shorter recruitment and a shorter run period (4-6 month range) than most games here. I'm going to avoid talking about it in thread much after I get it on the games list, not because I have a problem with memes but because it's more convenient for me to have all my answers on the LFG. With all this in mind I'm expecting a smaller applicant list.

In regards to races, I have the necessary information for roleplaying them mooostly done but I'm only going to work on their mechanical subset after I have a good read of the rulebook. There won't be a "level 1 bonus feat for everyone" in all likelihood but I might start the campaign at a higher level despite it being for a new system if say, level 1 is as shit as it is in Pathfinder.

>>54592791
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/cavalier/archetypes/rite-publishing-cavalier-archetypes/inspiring-commander/

>>54592688
Wrath of Winter

>>54592271
I need the ship system before I can do something like that.

I've got a campaign concept, but it needs ships.

>>54592688
Carrion Crown, Reign of Winter and Iron Gods

>>54592688
Ignore >>54593023 I read wrong. Legacy of Fire, Rise of the Runelords, Mummy's Mask and Jade Regent come to mind.

>>54592791
Seasoned Commander from Villain Codex. Isn't online for some reason but is support oriented.

I hope FotJR had fun last night, and SotJR has fun tonight!

>>54593074
I hope my migraine goes away

What was your favorite non-initiating martial you ever played?

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>>54593209
Barbarian.

>>54593209
Define martial, as in no magic at all?

Because unchained barbs are pretty great.

What races are know for having Darkvision? What would be the consequences in warfare?

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>>54593209
Brawler.

>>54592670
I'm going to do a thieves' guild / ocean's eleven game, everyone gets one level of Expert and then one of Unchained Rogue.

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>>54593209
Definitely striker, had a lot of fun with them during the playtest.

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>>54593209
Cavalier

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>>54584303
Oi nigger's I'm drunk and it's Tuesday, so pitch me your campaign ideas, or whatever campaign you've always wanted to play in.

I most likely won't make a half-assed attempt at it.

>>54593209
They're all boring to play imo, but Slayer I guess?

>>54593281
Honestly, Mac feels to me like he's more of the Brawler archetype for Fighters than a Brawler-Brawler. Except for Awesome Blow, the only thing of any value in that class left.

>>54593330
Gumball Rally meets The Dark Tower with a dash of Bloodborne's monsters. Only allowed magic is Psionics and Akashic and supernatural PoW disciplines. Non-gestalt.

>>54593330

The 30 years war.

>>54593392
/osr/ is that way ----->

>>54593330
Polynesian flavored nautical exploration campaign. None of this piracy nonsense. Let me discover new lands

Who are your picks for Fiendish Intrigue /pgg/?

>>54593375
I hate brawler, but I wish I could love it. It's the worst kind of hell.

>>54593418
He means the conflict between [meme 1] and [meme 2]

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>>54593330

Murderous Giant Rabbits.

>>54593437
But you can sample feats a la carte! All the martial trap feats are at your fingertips!

>>54593465
Oh wow, it sure would be a shame if the rest of my class was a combination of the worst parts of core fighter and core Monk! It would be an even bigger shame if my main feature got whored out to everyone and their Grandma!

>>54593330

Genghis Khan, the Rise and Conquest.

>>54593434
Not enough good apps yet. You barely need to make any cuts atm.

>>54593465
Yes, because I want to have to sift through who the fuck knows how many feats any time I use one of my major class abilities!

That shit's even worse than Arcanist and their FRA Spell Prep because an Arcanist will FIX a problem rather than be 'a bit better at fighting in a specific way. Or maybe I should go with THIS combination instead?'

>>54593330
Working title: Honey I Shrunk the Adventurers.

>>54593381
That...actually sounds interesting- sorta like steel ball run from jojo?

>>54593330
Gladiators in not!Rome

I want to corrupt an Erodaemon with the help of a Succubus.

aaaaa I want to kill heretical peasants in Not!Germany!

>>54593330

A Deck of Many Things.

>>54593330
Stone age pathfinder with the bbeg being the one who discovered how to use fire.

>>54593594
How the fuck would casters even work?

>>54593560
Yeah, sorta. But with more horrific monsters and a lot more overt WEIRDNESS

>>54593612
I've not a clue honestly, leave them be and just give martials PoW to shore up the lack of technology?

>>54593612
>casters
Mein schwarz, it's definitely an all-barbarian game

>>54593612
I mean pretty much every spontaneous caster could still exist,

>>54593612

Only Druids and Sorceres. Final destination.

>>54593654
10/10 then- would bring my akimbo gunslinger

>>54593662
>menial_labor_device_chuckling.gif

>>54593668
barbarian, fighter, and rogue only. I like it.

>>54593680
Clerics/oracles as well, gotta have them tribal gods

>>54593678
>>54593680
And what, just refluff fire spells to use sheep or mud instead?

>>54593680
Why couldn't Psychics, Psions, Clerics, Wilders, kineticists, Oracles, Bards, Shamans, etc exist in prehistoric age.

I mean if anything Wizards, Magi, and Arcanists are the odd guys out. Since they require a fairly well established society to exist.

>>54593612

Actually, what creatures that are clearly abominations made by mad wizards wouldn't exist?

>>54593695
>barbarian, fighter, and rogue only
At that point it's just a conan game, which is also good.

>>54593717

>Clerics.

Too organised. Oracles.

>Bards.

Get Skalds instead.

>Psychics/Psion.

More primitive/limited brains.

>>54593720
Well you can cross out almost all constructs for one

>>54593594
Imagine a campaign where the populations are so small and the world is so young, that your Wizard could be the FIRST Wizard, or the Bard/Barbarian could be so fruitful they birth a completely new ethnic group.

>>54593594

Fey Elves use bronze to bully other races. Heroes discover the secret of Cold Iron and trigger the end of Elven civilisation.

>>54593749
>>54593749
>Get Skalds instead
They're literal the same thing.

Like there was straight up a Skald Archetype for Bard up until the ACG came out.
>Too organised
Nothing about the Cleric class really implies organization beyond "religion exists".
>More primitive/limited brains.
Then how are people taking class levels at all?
>>54593720
>>54593764
Products of Evolution and constructs could just be made by Ancient Aliens.

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>>54593749
>Oracles
Shamans breh. Best spiritual leaders

>>54593682
I still need to get around to designing an initiating gunslinger that uses Sleeping Goddess and Tempest Gale in order to be like a Gunslinger from the Dark Tower.

>>54593822
When in doubt, blame the Anunnaki.

>>54593786
All I can imagine is every tribe that wizard coming across wanting to curbstomb him out of sheer fear of the unknown- would make for an interesting character though.

>>54593822
>levels in fighter, barbarian, and rogue take anything more then primitive brains

c'mon anon.

>>54593847
Yes. They would take way more than a primitive brain to now how to use weapons, armor, feats, sneak attack, etc.

By very nature of being able to take PC classes at all, implies a certain level of general intelligence.

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>>54593330
>>54593594
Guys hear me out.

Flintstones campaign. You know how Flintstones is just a sitcom IN THE STONE AGE? Do that but with your average PF campaign. Pick an AP if you have to.

>>54593877
Then explain how I can take ~any~ of those classes with 3 Int by RAW asshole.

>>54593830
Never thought of doing it with PoW, all I've got is the jank 3 armed alchemist gunslinger

>>54593837
Exactly! Imagine if this campaign also fast-forwards after the adventures of the first, until you get a "traditional" fantasy world built around the accomplishments of the old!

>>54593902
Because by RAW you can take levels in Wizard with 3 INT, despite your inability to cast spells. Clerics don't even have that problem, since their casting is WIS-based.

And we can't forget pre-errata Scarred Witch Doctor.

Basically RAW is stupid.

>>54593925
So either "primitive" brains have 2 int or less or you're a sack of shit.

>>54593594

Wouldn't there be gods, demons, angels, and titans all around?

>>54593902
>By very nature of being able to take PC classes at all, implies a certain level of general intelligence.
3 Int is already very much developed. There are already monsters that manifest psychic/SLA's with that level an less.
>>54593925
Also this.

>>54593594

Lots of rape an animalistic sex, I see.

>>54593952
Probably, would make things a lot more interesting and would validate the need for tribalism beyond just safety in numbers for sure.

>>54593952
Think Conan the Barbarian; demons and angels are all over the place forming their own little death cults, but gods? We know what the gods ARE, but civilization is still too primitive to actually communicate with them on a reliable scale. Imagine being the first true Cleric of your god, or the first Paladin.

>>54593966
Well of course!

>>54593966
I'm down. Can I play a Thrallherd Chief that collects women?

>everyone who makes and plays games is part of a sekrit inner circle, that's why I wasn't accepted!
>trannies and women are pathetic and I'm not scared of them but also they're taking over the world and ruining my hobbies
>numales are bad people because they threaten my fragile sense of masculinity by existing
You people are the worst kind of pathetic, blaming everything and everyone but yourself for your woes.

>>54593966
Anon, I don't think you fully appreciate how important the PCs would be in this setting. A single very fruitful character could shape the course of an entire ethnic group. Hell, populations are so small a single woman could birth an entire tribe, and that tribe goes on to become a distinct ethnic group.

>>54593952
They don't have tom be if you say they aren't.

Alternatively go with the JRPG thing of God's and Demons existing because of the wills and beliefs of people make them exist. They're reflections of humanity and change in complexity and demeanor according to how humanity perceives them.

>>54593994
Here's your reply, anon-kun!

>>54593994
Masculinity isn't a sense, dumbass. It's just a thing that you have or don't. Quit using these weirdo terms and do something with your life.

>>54593994
>>everyone who makes and plays games is part of a sekrit inner circle, that's why I wasn't accepted!
This is literally true tho.

Also this coming out of no where.

>>54593994
What.

>>54593994
>everyone who makes and plays games is part of a sekrit inner circle, that's why I wasn't accepted!

Literally true, just look at the discord. The party for fiendish intrigue is more or less settled already just through inner circle memes. Where they play pretend with their characters already.

>>54594089
is this 2hu?

>>54593983
My only reservation about making a player the first of anything is that is kinda leaves the players with more common classes high and dry.

>>54594103
That's why you make the more "common" class players not the first of something, but the greatest. If the Wizard is the first Wizard, the Barbarian has perfected a fighting style generations after would seek to emulate, if not view the Barbarian as a War God(dess).

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>>54593994
But anon, I'm pathetic for an entirely different reason.

I'm not even sure Pygmalion would approve.

>>54594136
Hmm, that would need a higher starting level(maybe even gestalt or mythic?) but could work.

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>>54593994
Where did this even come from?

>>54594194
He probably just got rejected from a game and needed to vent or something.

>>54594144
I want to give that Medusa a hug!

>>54594144
[HECK INTENSIFIES]

>>54594171
Everyone wants to be the Gilgamesh, anon.

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>>54593901

>>54594089
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee wrongfun reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>54594194
>>54594232
I think it's actually the opposite, someone Probably either Vult or Disk lashing out at people who talk shit.

To be fair, whoever made that post, their summation is pretty accurate.

>>54594089
This.

I gave up on Discord or games that recruit from PF generals a long time ago.

If you're gonna make a game only for your friends, then just make it private and invite them. Don't pretend it's public.

>>54594379
youre weird and make bad characters

>>54594395
My only crime is not being a namefag.

>>54594395
Yet it's the meme kitsunes and ERP assimars that get into the pgg games all the time. Weird innit?