Paizo Games General /pgg/ (also /pfg/)

>>54556652

Pounce all the way

>>54555903

What are the chances of someone crawling back after being buried alive? How high should be its stats/skills etc?

>>54556693
Please stop shitting up the board with your shit threads.

>>54556766
Look at Joshua Graham from New Vegas.

>>54556766
Depends on a lot. If they're 6ft under in a box, not likely. How long they're under, how deep they're under, if they're in something, this all changes things. Not likely, is the simple answer.

Stats and skills will have very little effect on this. Just make whatever and say they did it.

>>54556693
Me on the left.

>>54556693
Kill yourself. I hope the mods prune this shit

>>54556849
They won't. They didn't prune the last few ones that went out on page 7 and had a shitty fetish anime picture and haven't done that to the dozens that have come before those. They never will because the mods don't give a shit around here unless you post porn and even then it takes ages for them to wake up. Best you can hope is make a better thread that gets more replies and this one dies.

Hey guys I need an opinion on DHB. What do you guys think are his best characters. I'm thinking about featuring them in a campaign of mine.

>>54557387
DHB posting has gotten really weird lately.

>>54557387
Nugget Man, Caveman Crusader, NTRacle, and Serial Killer-kun

>>54557387
I honestly don't care about his characters, and often feel that his character-building is not to my tastes. Except Falafel, he's such a great antagonist and a fun character overall
I only pay attention to DHB out of interest in his homebrew content, its the only thing he does that I like

aaaaaaa cookies~

>>54557387
So far I have only seen him do retarded stuff like +43 diplomacy NTRacle designed to seduce Ameiko and cuck the rest of the party.

>>54557387
>>54557426
What is the appeal of Falafel as an antagonist? I have considered to him but not sure he'll appeal to my players.

>>54557455
To be fair, that was pretty much just a joke that got out of hand.

>>54557387
Sleepy reverse trap from LoBaF is good. Falafel is weird enough to be memorable, but he wouldn't be much more than a one-off villain.

Nugget Man would make an AWESOME recurring merchant.

>>54557455
That was one time, most of his builds are neato. The huge diplomacy bonus was stated as a joke. It's gonna haunt him forever.

>>54557387
Everyone forgets about a few of his characters who are really cool. Like his assassin from the City of the Faceless and his Eugenics crusader, the one he called "Twisted Sister".

Kurat would make a good NPC quest giver.

>>54557494
Most /pfg/ game apps are jokes, whether intentional or otherwise

Why haven't YOU applied for Fiendish Intrigue yet?

>>54557455
Falafel was cool. He's the elf who gets off of destroying beautiful things.

>>54557465
His appeal is that he's a villian who is not only subtle while still being inexplicably evil, but he also has a reason and a drive to being evil. Its that he has a horrible and messed up world-view, but at the same time his mindset isn't alien and can actually be understood by the average person. And when a villian, particularly of a bizarre and psychotic variety, can be understood and otherwise feels real and like a normal person, that is when they are the most frightening and unsettling to a person.

>>54557532
But I have.
>tfw extremely anxious about whether I'll get in

>>54557532
Because i run it desu

>>54557528
Eugenics Crusader was the one with a drake companion, right?

>>54557532
Because it doesn't interest me.

Why haven't you applied to GODSLAYERS?

>>54557544
My favorite part of him was he was apparently just broken from birth. The first line of his app goes something like:
>Talathel was the kind of little boy who liked to pull on little girl's pigtails.

He has no reason to be evil, no sympathetic backstory, not even any real goals or ambitions beyond watching legacies burn. He is an intrinsically broken character.

That's why he couldn't be in a party. His entire character was toxic to whoever he came into contact with because he was entirely sociopathic.

He's actually kinda like Kirei if Kirei never found religion/Gilgamesh.

>>54557532
I don't want to pay for the subscription.
...Or get harangued over the Commune by a Yugoloth Call Center.

>>54557590
But don't most guys like to pull on girl's pigtails? I thought that was a thing boys did to express their affection, yet don't want to admit it because girls have cooties

>>54557572
Who's your character? If you don't mind telling

>>54557592
I think there is a joke somewhere in your post, but I don't get it.

>>54557582
Writing a backstory for a gestalt 20 mythic 10 character is intimidating as fuck.
>>54557623
>Who's your character? If you don't mind telling
Miri.
Chronic anxiety issues are pain - literally every game I applied to so far was killing me with anxiety, some more, some less.

>>54557590
Also Talathel who ultimately stated to be and acted like a coward. He actively avoided conflict and combat, particularly at war, while at the same time said to treat those he commanded extremely well. He was a competent commander.

A cowardly villain who would rather never come into conflict with the players is interesting at times, especially when he never actively harms the players, just what they love.

This while at the same time being a build entirely focused on 1v1 combat. Talathel was VERY high on both defense and offense, particularly personal. He's a coward that when forced can easily kill a PC before fleeing.

>>54557544
>>54557590
The fact there are multiple reasons you could love this character shows how great the character is. Personally, I love how PETTY his evil was; most people make murderers, or tyrants, or rapists or monsters. Talathel? He scratches up the furniture and scribbles on your heirlooms.

Okay guys, help me out and let's build the ultimate rerollmancer party.
DC Oracle, Witch/Shaman with Fortune, and Iroran Paladin are given parts of the comp, but what else? What else is there to force/grant rerolls to allies? Forced rerolls (like DCO Misfortune) are the best ones, because they work with doubleroll earlier than "free rerolls" do.

Alternately, how many of the party members can we justify taking a 1 level dip into DCO? inb4 all of them

>>54557642
>Miri
Heh, our characters have the same bloodlines. I guess that means only one of us will get in.
I hope it's you then.

I just realized of the four games I play in, I play three charisma-based characters, and one Wisdom-based character who didn't dump charisma.

What does this say about me.

>>54557642
What kind of character could you even write for 20th level Gestalt with 10 Mythic? That's King of Kings or Force of Nature.

>>54557642
>Writing a backstory for a gestalt 20 mythic 10 character is intimidating as fuck.
Mine is really simple. It's his origin myth. I didn't write a backstory become someone that powerful has gone beyond a backstory.

His origin myth is basically his wrongful hanging and becoming a spirit of miscarried justice who burned a city to the ground in vengeance and turned a country into dead lands devoid of life save him.

>>54557623
>I think there is a joke somewhere in your post, but I don't get it.
Have you ever gotten calls from an Indian call center?

Imagine that, but with Yugoloth.

>>54557668
>Heh, our characters have the same bloodlines. I guess that means only one of us will get in.
Eh, not necessarily. Unless you heavily base your fluff on them, bloodlines are mostly a mechanical thing the way I see it. Besides, the rules explicitly say most people with a bloodline have the Arcane bloodline.
>spoiler
t-thanks

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What if we just combed through all the martial PrC's and gave their actually cool shit to the fighter as AAT/AWT's? Canny Defense and the Cha-based version, Mind Over Metal, whatever the fuck Str-to-Longbow is, etc.

>>54557720
>str to hit bow AWT
yes pls

>>54557590
>He's actually kinda like Kirei if Kirei never found religion/Gilgamesh.
It kinda reminds me of a fanfic I read where Lupin III was summoned as Assassin, and teaches Kirei to channel his nature to become a thief so he can get his rocks off of stealing from people who either deserve it or can recover from it. He immediately interested in that, since now he can be at peace with his horrible and broken nature, and starts to get into aiding Lupin in his heist to steal the Holy Grail

>>54557686
What classes are you giving him? I'm considering a character mired in tragedy too.

Speaking of which, do we know if Monster Classes are allowed? I want to know if I could play a Ghoul.

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>>54556693
I've played a Dhampir before, but that's as close as it gets.

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Would a wizard get penalties for something like wearing head protection like a kettle helm? How serious is spell failure for even something like Padded armor?

>>54557799
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/

Padded armor is a 5% failure chance.

>>54557692
>Have you ever gotten calls from an indian call center?
No, that's not a thing around here.

>>54557697
Well if we look at it from a mechanical stand point, it would be boring to have two party members that do the same thing.

I have a question, and please stop me if I'm getting something wrong but why 1/4th casters or whatever they're called (Paladin, Ranger and the like) on top of not getting cantrips, get spells later (which mean they're of lower level compared to other casters) they also have lower CL which means those low level shitty as fuck (for the level you get them) spells are of even lower power?

See, at 7th level I get as a paladin Iron skin, right? +4 to AC, and because my caster level is 4 is only +4 to AC. And that's it, my 2nd level spell for the day, I have no other.
The mother fucking cleric casts the same spell and has +6 to AC and has tons of other 2nd level spells.

Why is this fair?

>>54557837
Magus and Bloodrages are pretty different classes tbqh

>>54557846
Why ams you talks like retardeds?

>>54557799
Use armored kilt, it has 0% spell failure chance

>>54557799
>Would a wizard get penalties for something like wearing head protection like a kettle helm?
I'd probably say to check the Piecemeal Armor rules, but I'm unsure how good or not those rules are

>>54557846
>Why is this fair?
Its not, Paizo is just shitty at designing a tabletop game.

>>54557846
The paladin gets full BAB great saves and a buch of features that the cleric has to burn resources to enjoy temporarily.

God, nothing makes you want to eat a fucking bullet quite like hearing about someone being noble IRL, and succeeding at being a hero where you failed.

>>54557824

I know it's 5% but how serious is in terms of statistics?

>>54557915
>Full BaB
Insignificant to be honest
>Great saves
Only thing good in paladin to be honest
>And a bunch of features that the cleric has to burn resources
And so does the paladin, smite isn't infinite, divine bond isn't infinite, in fact a cleric can use more smites than a paladin thanks to that shitty spell that copies smite evil feature. And with how many spells the cleric has he could be boosting his saves and attack all day long to copy a Paladin and still have spells to do 100 other stuff

But ok, lets say Paladin's saves are what makes it worthwile, how about the Ranger? what does he get that is so good to be behind other casters twice (once because 4th level spells only and twice because CL-3)?

>>54557948
Situations are different, and people have different talents and abilities. You can't hold yourself to the standard of someone else with a totally different life. That's not fair to either of you.

>>54557948
Explain?

>>54557963
Generally speaking, any chance to fail is a problem, when it's a failure chance on everything you're supposed to be able to do.

It might be worth the risk, but silken ceremonial armor, armored kilts, and haramaki are all available without spell failure chance, so you should go for one of those instead every time.

>>54557963
>but how serious is in terms of statistics?
A 5%. Or 0.05 if you prefer, if you assume 1 is the highest probability. Or 1 in every d20 roll.

Now, as a personal experience, I played once a sorcerer with an armor with 10% SFC, through a campaign that went from 1st to 8th level I lost some spells due it, not a negible number to be honest, though luckily never encounter deciding or powerful ones.

>>54557987
If you start bitching about why X class has better features than Y class then you may as well save time by saying "Why does wizard have powerful magic while everyone else gets second place at best".

Jesus christ what a fucking scrub.

>>54557963
It means you fearing the 5% is like the Gunslinger fearing a Nat 1 misfire, it's statistically notable but practically a non-issue.

>>54557987
Yeah, the CL-3 is so stupid and is basically putting a rock on top of their ceiling.

>>54557948
Are you sure hearing about how they didn't actually save anyone or make anything better because the stars are right and this world would be doomed with or without humanity's existence wouldn't do it, too?

>>54557987
>Strongest class on the game
>"Why I can't have more?!"
Fuck off. Clerics can't compete with Paladins in terms of defense and offense, we're basically relegated to healbots.

>>54558136
This has to be a troll, right?

>>54558169
Clerics actually can't compete with Paladins on defense by a mile or in offense against anything that smite evil works against. Clerics win in utility and get BTFO on utility by wizards.

>>54558130
Nah, that might actually make me feel better about my day. Because if there's nothing to look forward to for anyone, then it's not so bad to be useless.

>>54558136
>we're basically relegated to healbots.
>healing
>in combat
>in fucking pathfinder
Is this a Paizo-post? Because this smells like a Paizo-post

>>54558195
I'd rather have Paizo posts than F-list posts.

So what kind of handicap would you put on DHB before letting him apply to your game to make sure he doesn't over optimize.

>>54558188
>against anything that smite evil works against
Anon, clerics get smite evil

>>54558136
I played both classes, give me a cleric any time if we're playing above 5th level.

>>54558222
At one per spell slot and that's a 5th level spell.

>>54558217
Tell him to not do bullshit or he doesn't get in, DHB is not autistic like 2hu, he will pull his punches if you tell him.

>>54558217
Tell him "Hey, do you think you could back it down?"
That's all.
That's it.
That is literally all you need to say. He's not like 2hu, where he'll fight and argue on every point you try to make unless you put your foot down. He's actually capable of and willing to rein himself in.

>>54558208
I'd rather have F-list posts than most of the posts here.

>>54558217
"Hey, can you tone it down a bit? Look at <insert group of apps that are the right power level even if they're not going to get chosen>, that's about where I'm looking at."

>>54558217
DHB is more of a min-maxer than an optimizer in the first place. He doesn't build to win games as much as he builds to do something wacky, to my memory most of his sheets shouldn't be a big problem in the average game.

>>54558237
You have 4 5th level spells (asuming average Wis) at the level a Paladin gets is 4th Smite. There're way better spells in where to spend those 5th level slots though, like way better spells.

>>54558217
I would just let him do it. I think it would be pretty arousing to watch him cut loose and just violate my NPCs and plots.

>>54558256
>>54558283
But 2hu does back down if you tell him to in, like, a concrete way.

>>54558319
Antipaladins, are just better than Paladins in essentially every way in terms of personal offense and defense. Insinuators especially.

>>54558344
Evil only though

>>54558342
As someone with actual autism, I can't stress this enough. We respond best to concrete scenarios and limitations. A vague "don't go overboard" is so vague that we just don't get it, because we can't gauge how other people would react to things through ourselves. Limited empathy is a large part of the condition.

>>54558369
Why does DHB respond to it then if he's an autist?

What would be the craziest game line-up I could have?

I want DHB, 2hu and Kawase to start. Who else could I fit in?

>>54558415
More mild form of it, perhaps?

>>54558369
Guess 2hu doesn't have "actual" autism then, because he will just keep arguing all the time and eventually even tell others that they aren't optimized enough.
Like that one time when he made a guy drop out of a game by constantly trying to get him to change the build. Even posted about it in /pfg/ not getting that he was wrong.

>>54558419
DHB apparently refuses to play with 2hu.

>>54558419
2hu doesn't play roll20 games.
Kawase doesn't play maptools games.
You can't get the two together.

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>>54558428
>2hu constantly asks "why would you not?" about extreme optimization
>DHB goes "check this out" when talking about extreme optimization

>>54558459
Would be awkward as hell anyways.
Can you imagine a (autistic) Rollplayer and a (shitty) ERPer interacting?

>>54558486
But you even got the roles wrong.
2hu is both an autistic rollplayer and a shitty ERPer.
Kawase is autistic as hell, but neither a rollplayer nor an ERPer.

>>54558461
>DHB goes "oh man you know what's be neat" during optimization along with "I'm pulling out THE BIG GUNS".

>>54557676
You want to be pretty.

>>54558415
>>54558428
Because autism is a spectrum, and on top of that, people are individuals. different people still respond differently to different things, even if their mental health makes them more predictable in a certain direction. I know five people with autism, if you include myself, DHB, and 2hu, and every one of them responds differently to that kind of criticism; I'll freak out and assume I've offended the person in some way, another will get overly defensive and rail back, another will argue with the person who said it and try to prove them wrong, and another will go out of their way to make sure that the other players are operating under similar restrictions because they can't stand rules that some people can ignore for no reason.

>>54558419
Kawase was the first to app for Intrigue
DHB is reportedly making an app for it

how do we maximize the damage

>>54558566
DHB is making another "bunch of kids" character.

>>54558511
>shitty ERPer
Wait wait wait, do we have JUICY LOGS on this?

>>54558188
Defense after they nerfed the Divine Grace as feat, maybe. Clerics do get Defending Bone, Recentering Drone and Bloodsworn Retribution for defensive purposes, which are nice.

Offense though, not so much. There are stacking smite-likes in domains (Destruction, Demon), buffs from Glory and Heroism, Bless, Prayer, Divine Favor/Righteous Might + Fate's Favored, and Bloodsworn Retribution again. There's also going Herald Caller and having summons tear people to pieces.

Paladins do it easier and faster, since Smite is online quickly and they don't really have anything else. It also takes a Cleric longer to spin up, both level and time wise.

There's a reason that the Warpriest can do insane damage; it can swift action cast all of the Cleric's best buffs to spell level 6 as well as grab Warrior Spirit as an Arsenal Chaplain.

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I was thinking of homebrewing something that lets characters do that anime thing where you have "another form". You know, a stronger form that's normally held back for some reason or another, like a Super Saiyan transformation or any of the other transformations that show up in lots of anime and video games, stuff ranging all the way from just getting a glowing aura of power to a full on bodily transformation into something... else. Originally I was thinking making it a class, then thinking of making it a subsystem so it's not ONLY people using the class that can transform, and then thinking about making it a feat chain because the subsystem can't just be something that everybody gets for free. Now I'm back to thinking of making it a class, because I don't want to make it some useful ability that's gated behind two other feats.

Anyway, to get to the point, one of the first big issues I'd have to address for this class is why they shouldn't be using their transformation all the time. Comparing it to a Barbarian, I don't want it to be like Rage where you typically have no reason not to immediately activate Rage at the start of a fight (every fight, after a few levels). The solution I'm currently sitting on is that when you take your first level in the class you have to select some sort of oath or code from a list of options, all of which put a restriction of some sort on when you can use your transformation. Examples I've thought of so far include only being able to use your transformation when below a certain percent-based HP threshold, when at least one ally is KO'd/in danger, or when fighting a worthy opponent (likely determined based on whether they have more HD than you).

Do you think I'm on the right track for figuring out how to make this idea work? If not, do you have a better suggestion or do you think this idea just can't work in a system like Pathfinder?

>>54558524
> they can't stand rules that some people can ignore for no reason.
This is actually a bit like 2hu because they will often voice their annoyance distaste for "double standards" or ask why should X be baned if Y is allowed.

>>54558428
>Guess 2hu doesn't have "actual" autism
Autism is not pneumonia, dude. It is a very blurry line. Also, 2hu usually pushes for others to optimize because he knows that he WILL optimize and push boundaries so others will probably whine about being outshined. I saw 2hu going "ok, have your way but promise me you won't complain later".

>>54558419
Add StarToad so he can flake before the game even starts because of some inane prejudice, Wist so she can make a joke gimmicky app without intending to actually play and some R20 rando to either blow everyone away by their quality or QUALITY.

>>54558716
I don't know why other people have a problem with being the weakest party member. I find it very relaxing.

>>54558682
I encourage you to keep it up because it sounds fun. I'll see if I can't think of a suggestion or two by the end of the night

>>54558511
>>54558667
>>54558716
Still waiting on the 2hu ERP logs.

>>54558419
2hu, Rory, Vult, Kawase, IKID, Slow

>>54558667
2hu posted in the discord about using a foxboy trap to mind control players and force them to strip in public.

>>54557738
No monster classes, sorry. I'll add that in.

On the plus side, I am writing mythic initiating in.

Yeah, that's going to be a thing.

>>54557846
They get their spells later because they have lots of class features aside form spells to keep them survivableat low levels.

>>54558768
Inborn competitive streak. you build for a certain thing, you naturally want to be the best at that thing.

>>54558798
That's not shitty ERP, that's patrician ERP.

>>54557685
>>54557642
>>54557582
I knew what build I want to app to Godslayers with as soon as I saw the chargen, I've been sitting on an idea for a gestalt character that doesn't come online until after several levels for a while. Backstory, though... Well yeah, that is a pickle. I wish the DM gave us slightly more to work with as far as prompts, background requirements, or setting lore goes. Also how many hours we should expect the one-off session to go for.

>>54558796
I'd run it if I wasn't on that list

>>54558861
Kawase pls

>>54558827
>They get their spells later
That's not my complaint though, my problem is that on top of getting spells late they also have lower CL which means those low level spells are also even weaker.

>>54558854
Just make Karna or some shit and have your capstone that does 40d8+20d12 damage as a free swift action called "Brahamaastra"

>>54558876
Non, I use quotation marks

>>54558768
Usually because you want to contribute more than being your group's Krillin/Rock Lee. You want to actually do something cool rather than get people rolling their eyes at your bravado. You want, just once, one day, even in fantasy-land, to come out on top and be praised for your deeds and efforts rather than getting put down like a chump and shit on for trying.

>>54558896
So does Kawase tho

>>54558796
Kawase seems like the odd one out in this lineup, I think. Does he even work with the others in any games?

>>54558861
Are you Slow's sockpuppet?

>>54558904
Remove Kawase, add Sleep, acquire THICCfaggotry

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>>54558798
This?

>>54558912
Why did the spoiler tag just disappear without working.
Wtf 4chins.
I had a spoiler tag there.

>>54558915
Wait, what?
Sleep isn't a thiccfag, he's just a pathetic thirstlord. You're thinking of Succula and Slow.

>>54558912
I'd like Slow to sock puppet me

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>>54558912
Maybe

>>54558716
>because of some inane prejudice
Let's go down the list
>INTRIGUE
>ENEMIES I CAN'T STEAMROLL
>TRIGGERED ABOUT MY SHIT CHARACTER
What else?

>>54558771
Thank you! This concept has been bouncing around in my head for the last week and I've been meaning to actually get around to working on it. I will be sure to keep the threads open for the rest of the night.

Originally it was just going to be an attempt to make DBZ-esque characters in Pathfinder possible, complete with ki blasts, high speed, and all that stuff. The class was feeling more like some upgraded monk though, what with all the similarities that were starting to pop up, and I didn't like that so I decided to just focus on one aspect- the most iconic aspect, IMO- and try to design around that.

>>54558931
Fine.

What's the best lineup for the ultimate memegame? Six-player gestalt.

Rory, Vult, Slow, IKID, and two more. TWO MORE.

>>54558931
Sleep's a fucken nerd but a cute nerd desu

>>54558953
Wist and 2hu

>>54558963
I prefer Wist and QANON

>>54558971
Oh please no.
They'd spend the whole campaign flooding the chatlog and playing grabass and we'd never get anything done.

>>54558679
>Paladin doesn't get Heroism
This is so ironic

>>54558849

Well, no one wants to be Harsk and suck ass at the thing they're ostensibly good at, but there's presumably a happy medium between "team murderbeast" and "less useful cohort".

>>54558982
That's okay.

>>54558971
Friendly reminder that Wist and Qanon played in a FIFTH EDITION one-shot with Rory

IMPURE

>>54559013
Wist, QANON, Rory, or whatever person from that one-shot you are: We don't fucking care. Please leave.

>>54559013
So did I. Your point is?

>>54558892
Most of those spells don't have saves though. And boosting CL is as easy as getting a trait.

>>54559027
You're impure too

>>54559013
>Implying 5e is any more impure than PF

>>54559028
>saves
>depending on CL
Saves depend on spell level and casting stat anon
Even with a trait you're still behind
And for a paladin most of the spells he's going to use are CL dependant

>>54559076
It's about the same based on what I've seen.

Don't play Paladin or Ranger, play Warpriest or Inquisitor, you're so much better with those.

>>54559130
Paladin has its own niche, and ranger was beaten out by hunter, not inquisitor. what are you even on about?

would it be kosher to apply to the godslaying game with a build I have already made? It would be with Eobard Love, just adding 10 mythic ranks to his character.

I could even use his actual backstory because he's tied to golarion and his entire arc revolves around god or near god slaying.

>>54559156
Are you asking assuming people will remember your shitty OC?

>>54558963
They'd kill each other.

>>54559156
I doubt you'll ever find a more appropriate time to do it. Just link us the finished build, yeah?

>>54559179
It got enough discussion that, yes, I remember it.

>>54558901
But he also bolds all the non-quoted text for no reason.

>>54558898
Rock Lee was actually strong though and did well during his fights.

>>54559152
Meant to write Hunter dunno my fingers typed Inquisitor, though Nature Inquisitor is still a better Ranger than Ranger

>>54559156
>tied to Golarion

Is Godslayers even set in Golarion? "Kelemekos" isn't a place I've heard of in the setting.

Also to answer you question, personally I would think it's fine as long as you don't make a long habit of reusing the same character.

>>54559156
Nobody gives a shit about your literally who OC.
So go ahead.

>>54558939
MUH PARENTS
NO JOBS
TOO FAT
FUCKING FLORIDA

>>54558796
Why no DHB? Replace 2hu this DHB for a far more pleasant gaming experience.

>>54559207
>In America...

>>54559188
I'll give you that; inquisitor is generally better than ranger, it's just not a replacement unless you go for specific options.

>>54559187
He lost all his fights, anon. He was at best a Worff kind of character, everybody has him in high esteem but gets curbstopped by every new villain.

>>54559208
The goal is to go maximum overmeme anon.

>>54558994
Hello Wist/QANON. No, it really isn't.

>>54559187
>Rock Lee was actually strong though
In Part I, kind of like at levels 1-3. Then the Wizard gets Glitterdust.

>>54559187
I don't remember Rock Lee actually winning that many fights. It seems like he existed to be a supposedly strong character that loses to bad guys, so the audience knows these bad guys are REALLY strong and definitely a big deal. Ultimately it's just to build up tension and drama when the main character has to fight the bad guy.

Really disappointing, too. I like Rock Lee.

>>54559196
>>54559179
Eobard Love is the name of Autismfighter.

>>54559196
>>54559179
You fools. Eobard Love is AUTISMFIGHTER

>>54559224
Were you trying to run a legit game though? I thought the entire point was a hyper meme game.

>>54559227
He beat the shit out of Sasuke at one point, and Gaara only won because of what amounted to bullshit.

>>54559223
DHB is a bigger meme than half that list then.

>>54559237
Post it

>>54559223
Most games posted here end up that way anyways. No wonder they almost always fall apart.

>>54559251
https://pastebin.com/hMmLECRV

>>54559179
>>54559196
Most people know him as Autism Fighter.

>>54559230
>>54559237
>>54559266
aw shit I'm retarded

>>54558971
No. They'd accidentally make perfect synergy and outshine everyone else combined

>>54559241
>beat the shit out of Sasuke at one point

True, I think that was his first appearance. I guess he has to have at least that one victory, or else nobody would think he's strong. But that also wasn't as high-stakes of a fight as most others in that series.

>Gaara only won because of what amounted to bullshit

You know, I actually rewatched that fight scene the other day. IIRC didn't he lose because he flinched in pain, closing his eyes for a moment and giving Gaara (who already couldn't move nearly fast enough to keep up, but whatever) a chance to switch places with a clone? But... Lee had opened the Gate of Pain, and I thought that meant he turned off his body's sense of pain so that it can't slow him down. Seems weird.

>>54559227
Rock Lee was designed to be the jobber.
Shonen are all essentially about how eugenics is good, Naruto especially. Being just a guy who works really hard and is sincere and passionate, that's basically setting yourself up to fail.

I'm pretty sure he didn't even hook up with anybody post-show.

>>54559284
>But... Lee had opened the Gate of Pain, and I thought that meant he turned off his body's sense of pain so that it can't slow him down
No, the Gate of Pain is called the Gate of Pain because that's the one where you start shredding your own muscles. The Gate dampens your sense of pain and fatigue, but every Gate does that.

>>54559290
Tenten

>>54559290
The 'being born good can't be beaten by talent' is a Japanese thing. They have a national complex about talent envy.

>>54559308
*cant be beaten by hard work

I'm a dumb dumb.

>>54559265

Jesus I hope nothing like that will exist in Starfinder. I personally dislike the idea of multi-classing anyways nevermind when you get in deep like this with 15 different classes smashed together with feats across 100 books to make some kind of ungodly character (yes, I know I'm exagerating.)

>>54558994
QANON, you don't even like games, why you trying to front?

>>54558898
Krillin is the strongest pure human in the series, and is still relevant as of Super.

>>54559308
>The 'being born good can't be beaten by talent' is a Japanese thing
You now realize that there's a reason old mythic heroes were either born different or literal demigods.
Being born good IS talent, which can't be beaten by hard work because...well, the talented guy is working hard, first of all, but second of all Reality Ensues. It's the same reason why sticking to "realistic" Fighter means he eats shit before a Wizard, who isn't realistic and doesn't give a shit about reality. You can't work hard enough to catch up to God, and no matter how much you train, you won't be faster than someone using Dimension Door unless you can also use Dimension Door - in a setting where that's about talent more than hard work.

>>54559308
Superfunny when Hypocritus Maximus (Naruto for friends) tells Neji (aka So right he never was able to turn left again) about hardworking people beating geniuses

>>54559322
Eobard Love is actually a pure 1-20 fighter.

He just has a shitload of archetypes and a VMC

>>54559336
Naruto was the dumbest shit desu
Like yeah the argument is that the hypocrisy only showed up later, but no - how the fuck did Nardo beat Neji? Oh, right, he had the fucking Ninetails purging his chakra blocks.

>>54559308
That's an Asian thing in general. There's even a scene in Romance of the Three Kingdoms where Liu Bei discards his infant son like trash because saving that child's life almost came at the cost of his most valued general's life.

>>54559333
Remind me again who remembers Krillin for anything but being a dumb weakling.
Even Vegeta lost more than him, and people think of him as the best thing ever just because he was born stronger.

>>54559333
>First member of their team out in the Tournament of Power
>relevant

>>54559322
Autismfighter is actually a very simple build that doesn't use any really obscure non-standard options to become autism.
I think the story was that he built it under certain limitations to prove that fighters could be bullshit?

>>54559322
He's not multiclassed.

>>54559241
>He beat the shit out of Sasuke at one point, and Gaara only won because of what amounted to bullshit.

Not quit bullshit, Gaara initially just used good tactics against an opponent who was physically superior to him and took the chance to use the body switch jutsu to sneak away while his sand clone was getting pummeled. Granted, afterwards when Lee hulked out that would be bullshit but I attribute that to the fact he had the tailed beast inside of him, the same way Naruto could bullshit his way through most problems.

>>54559344
>There's even a scene in Romance of the Three Kingdoms where Liu Bei discards his infant son like trash because saving that child's life almost came at the cost of his most valued general's life.
That's not the point of that scene, it was something invented by propagandists at the time because they were trying to wank Liu Bei as hard as possible and it became ridiculous. The point was supposedly that he cared so much about his general that he was willin to give up his son or something, and also that he could have more sons in the future to inherit his kingdom, but he needs the assistance of Zhao Yun [now].

>>54559355
>Got INTO the Tournament of Power
>not relevant

>>54559353
>who remembers Krillin for anything but being a dumb weakling

18 does.

>>54559290
>Shonen are all essentially about how eugenics is good

Bleach takes it even further, I think. I don't even understand what happened, since I stopped watching part way through Hueco Mundo.

>>54559353
But realistically Vegeta *is* stronger than Krillin. Vegeta loses to Perfect Cell but could've wiped the floor with Cell's ass any time before that, Krillin would've gotten his ass busted six ways to sunday by just basic Cell

>>54559376
>18 does.
>Sound of dozens upon dozens of NTR doujins shifting about in the distance
Ha.
Haaaaa.

>>54559395
Bleach wasn't Eugenics, Bleach was Kubo going "damn, I need to give Ichigo more powers, what the fuck do I do - o shit I know I'll just add superpowers to his family and have him inherit them'

>>54559360
>>54559359
>>54559337

I stand corrected, I admit I'm not to terribly hot with Pathfinder's system (even though I'm all hot and bothered about starfinder ironically enough). When I saw the autism fighter I just immediately thought of the sort of bullshit you'd see with 3.5

>>54559408
Since when were we under the impression that Aizen was not the actual author?

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>>54559408
I don't understand, how is that not saying he was born great?

>>54559156
......it's 20 levels of gestalt and 20 mythic levels. You honestly think it matters what you apply with?

>>54559410
Admittedly, Eobard is still on the supremely optimized side, and took a lot of resources to get where he is, so you're not totally wrong.

On the other hand, Starfinder is going to have a slower release cycle (at least initially), and you won't be getting into it after it's had years of development backlog for you to slog through. It'll have time to develop to the same levels of stupid.

>>54559344
>That's an Asian thing in general.
False. Wuxia is literally the opposite. Circumstances of birth don't matter; all that matters is your dedication, discipline, and spirit.

>>54558912
I read that as cockpuppet.

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>the Japanese muh genetics problem
Is this why BnHA is so good? Because rather than being born great Midorya was born the shit kid, then through his own character he proved himself worthy of recognition and to receive great power? And even then for the first season its a double-edged sword that he has to keep training smartly to wield?

Is Midorya an excellent portrayal of a Legendary Kineticist/Oracle or Enhancement Mageknight?

>>54559441
He wasn't born great, he was retconned great

>>54559441
Mainly because it was very heavy-handed weird shit that didn't actually play into it being relevant anywhere else. In Naruto either you had a Tailed Beast, a Kekkei Genkai, or you were fucking nobody. In Bleach the Noble Houses were on average better but only like 2 out of the 13 Captains, iirc, were nobles at all.

>>54559461
It's A reason BnHA is good.
inb4 it turns out he's the son of some amazing superhero anyway

Every thread is the worst thread. See you tomorrow /pgg/.

>>54559493
I swear if that happens I'm dropping this series in a heartbeat.

>>54559476
>In Naruto either you had a Tailed Beast, a Kekkei Genkai, or you were fucking nobody
Ooooor, you were the Author's fav char, see Shikamaru Aka in three fucking days of reading books and playing shogi I'm faster than kakashi, better than him at Tai and have infinite chakra

Man, I can only imagine if he had a week, Ultimate Madara would be done

>>54559514
I don't know what the fuck was going on with Shikamaru

>>54559493
>>54559511
Don't we already know what quirks both his parents had?

Is it just me, or does the city-state fluff for Godslayers seriously limit your ability to write what should be a near-limitless backstory?

>>54559514
Ninja Jesus and Ninja Judas couldn't beat Ultimate Madara, nobody could
Then came Kaguya and her retardation, bunnymilf should've just bent over

>>54559514
Eh, Shiki even then comes from a long and prestigious family of Ninjas, the Nara clan is one of the more important and well known clans in Konoha just under the big names of Uchiha, Senju, and Hyuga

Seriously, the only two people who weren't from major families that were badass were ironically enough both from the same no-name family: The 3rd Hokage and Azuma Sarutobi.

>>54559584
Reminder that Hercules was from a city-state.

>>54559584
Could you explain what you mean?

>>54559514
The whole team 8 vs death duo was such a bs arc. Those two guys were awesome and were treated like shit, we had an Immortal that didn't even get a scratch from a nuke that destroyed a forest but suddenly a couple of exploding seals with the power of a wet firecracker destroy him and a 100 years old experienced and tactical ninja who survived against the 1st losing time after time against Naruto's same tactic of attacking with a clone and then attacking with the real one from behind, fuck, Kakuzu even said he was going to attack at range and then in the fucking next panel he goes into melee

>>54559618
Hidan and Kakuzu were too broken for those guys. Kakuzu went up against Wooden Jesus who beat the shit out of fucking Madara and lived to tell the tale, Hidan is LITERALLY IMMORTAL.

>>54559596
Sandaime was supposed to be a badass but it turns out he's shittier than every other fucking hokage except for Tsunade who was worthless garbage.

>>54559561
Yes, but if the writer goes bonkers or gets slapped with one of those famous Japanese editorial mandates, he'll turn out to have actually been the bastard of somebody else, or that his dad was hiding his real quirk.

>>54559584
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing while reading it. It's like, now I'm wondering, should I be making my character some young kid now?

>>54559606
If he means what I mean, it's that the few paragraphs of fluff the DM just put up boil down to "There are 13 great noble houses, each one has two heirs. One eventually becomes leader of the house, the other tries to become the new High Lord (the arbiter of disputes between houses) by killing the previous High Lord (who has to oversee the training of the heirs)." So that really goes a way to limiting backstory options to being the young kid heir of a family. Fortunately, only the heir to a house actually has to be of the house's bloodline, the heir to the High Lord's positions can be anybody the house picks.

>>54559675
>gets slapped with one of those famous Japanese editorial mandates,
Japanese manga editors are cancer

>>54559642
You mean Shikamaru was too broken for those guys, right? I mean, he read books for 3 days, THREE DAYS! you can't beat that even with an army of Madaras

>>54559706
>and I'm not talking normal Madara...

>>54559642
Madara was a lot weaker back then though. He didn't have Rinnegan or senju cells so he wasn't able to use Izanagi to reality warp.
He had access to Amaterasu, Susanoo and Tsukoyomi but those abilities are far from unbeatable.
Even his advantage of being able to control Ninetails fell flat against Hashirama because he was able to no sell tailed beasts through wood release.

>>54559657
I would rank Sandaime higher than the second hokage, second's call to fame was being the little bro of the first and having a genjutsu of total darkness.
Oh yeah and Edo Tensai but he had the shitty version Orochimaru used not the perfected form Kabuto made.

How would you react if one of your party members started doing evil shit like killing Innocents and razing villages?

>/pgg/ has a more civil Naruto discussion than /a/

what

what is happening

>>54558682
Health based makes sense; be careful of characters constantly walking around at the necessary threshold. You could put it on a round timer via spending actions or getting timer counters. Putting it on downed allies can lead to the Bag of Rats problem and worthy opponents would potentially cripple the class in a module/adventure based on fighting a bunch of little dudes.

I would suggest action based round counter or very limited cooldown (once/day), depending on how you tune fight length.

>>54559744
Ask them what was wrong. Firmly tell them not to. Continue to insist they seek therapy.

If this doesn't work, hand them over to the appropriate authorities.

If this does not work, feed them to the nearest Gelatinous Cube.

>>54559741
Second was absolutely right about Uchiha fucking shits.

What do you guys think is DHB's most polarizing character? I'm thinking either Nugget Man or Falafel.

>>54559741
>Madara was a lot weaker back then though
He could still fucking devastate everything, the peeks we got show that while *weaker* he was still more than a match for the entire Allied Shinobi Forces bar Gai and Oonoki.
Amaterasu is a Mangekyou technique limited to Sasuke and Itachi, Tsukoyomi is one limited to Itachi. Mangekyou techniques are different from person to person, we absolutely don't know what the fuck Madara's Mangekyou ability was.

>>54559754
/a/ has discussed everything there is to discuss and only bitterness is left, that and casual scum. I'm just regurgitating the arguments from years back.

>>54559789
I like how the moral of the story boiled down to "Eugenics and discrimination is literally right".

>>54559741
The fuck? Tobirama invented the Edo Tensei, yeah, that thing Orochimaru uses? invented by the 2nd, it was perfected by Orochi sure, but invented by the 2nd. The Hiraishin? that thing that the Konoha's Yellow Flash uses? also invented by him, the 2nd was the creator and Minato perfected it.

That dude whas the shit, sure, not Hashirama, but is hands down the second best Hokage if you don't count Naruto.

>>54559657
Wait, that reminds me though, wasn't the Yondaime essentially a jobber nobody before he was trained by Jiraiya? Heck, if I recall Kishina even said that before he saved her she just thought of him as some unimpressive loser. Plus wasn't supposedly his big strength that he was so autistically good with theory and seals that he invented the Hirashin and used it to curbstomp and keep up with even the Raikage? Basically he was a combat nerd with a useful form of autism

All this shit is going over my head. Can someone translate it into pathfinder-speak for me?

>>54559789
>Second was right
Well he was kinda retroactively right, as his stance that Uchiha's are shits is what caused the Uchiha's to plot againt the Leaf in the first place.
And also caused Madara to turn evil.

>>54559606
The write-up assumes a lot of things about what the character should be and where they're from. It's like telling me to make a level 20 badass... But he's from Riddleport and should have ties to Riddleport. Really keeps me from writing about a legendary Andoran Not!Bunyan or Galtian werewolf.

>>54559744
A sufficiently high Sense Motive check can determine whether or not someone is under magical mental influence!

>>54559758
Good points, I'll have to try and work out something that addresses them. An action-based round counter... As in something like, "You can't maintain this form if you haven't attacked someone within the last three rounds"?

>>54559221
Sacred Huntsmaster arguably shits on the Hunter and the Ranger, but if you want to shit on the Ranger, you play a Nature Fang Druid.

Slayer Talents (so Ranger Combat Talents), Studied Target, full casting, and a full level pet. Only thing you don't have is Gravity Bow/Lead Blades, and for that, Samsarans exist. Oh, and full BAB, but Archers don't care and Slayer Talents skip prereqs.

>>54559826
I would agree with you except the Uchiha are literally genetically hardwired to be unstable.

>>54559812
> he invented the Hirashin
No, Tobirama did

>>54559805
>The Hiraishin? that thing that the Konoha's Yellow Flash uses? also invented by him, the 2nd was the creator and Minato perfected it.
wait what? I stopped reading right when Naruto finally entered the war, when was this mentioned?

>>54559820
>Can someone translate it into pathfinder-speak for me?

>>54559820
Sure
Homebrew setting made Sorcerers too powerful, anyone who isn't a caster is shit and has never one a 1v1 due to buffs to casting, and Eleminster is a lazy faggot with shadow powers who loves playing chess who is still just as OP due to writing

>>54559841
What if he's doing it because he's evil

>>54559802
>/a/ has discussed everything there is to discuss and only bitterness is left, that and casual scum

This is basically the situation /pfg/ is it too, isn't it?

>>54559802
Hyuuga did nothing wrong.

>>54559869
Welcome to 4chan.

>>54559754
>>54559584
>>54559606
>>54559683
The fluff is literally fluff. It's useful for campaign traits, and as stated, the Heir to Throne can be anyone the house picks, even realtively inhuman beings such as I'm going to regret this kitsune and catfolk. It's (pointless fluff) because it's not critical to the character builds except for purposes of campaign traits.

>>54559858
>when was this mentioned?
During the war Orochimaru decides to help the good guys and brings everybody important back to life (1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th), Tobirama calls Minato thief several times and Minato apologizes for stealing his technique, he (Tobirama) also uses it a couple of times during his fight against Madara

Orochimaru also mentions he perfected the Edo Tensei from Tobirama, and Tobirama mentions he never perfected it because he considered it a filthy and evil technique to beging with. Dude was the shit and from his conversations with the 1st it seems the 1st was a Talent born and he was a hardworker

>>54559754
/tg/ is happening. You don't even need the other threads anymore.

>>54559849
They can overcome it and become edgy anti-heroes like Sasuke.

>>54559838
Be a Heir to the Throne instead of a Heir to the Family, HttT can "be selected and trained by the ruling Family from any bloodline, any servant, or even created from whole cloth" so it sounds like that's the option to take if you don't want be tied into a noble family and heritage. You could be some street urchin with incredible unreleased potential that some passing noble was able to see, if you want, or a lot of other more out there ideas.

>>54559926
>Sasuke
>hero
That's not how you spell "filthy traitor"
Shisui and Itachi were the only good Uchiha

>>54559939
He's back to being a good guy in Boruto.
So is Orochimaru despite still engaging in creepy human experimentation.

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>>54559858

>>54556766
Assuming you're talking some "the revenant" shit. Decent survival and heal skills with a few minor craft abilities (to make simple medical supplies / snares), assuming you dont have access to magic. If you have access to magic it becomes trivial because there's all sorts of ways to apply it,

>>54559403
Everyone gets NTR doujins. It's the hip thing to do.

Easy drama and tags two separate types of wish fulfillment while still being generic sex.

I-is Kishimoto basically Toriyama? Is he just going to keep writing more and more stupid shit so long as they keep driving up to his house with more dumptrucks full of money?

>>54559475
>>54559408
>>54559441
A lot of shit in bleach was always very sublty there, whether it was genius planning or retconning who can say.

>>54560039
Kishimoto isn't writing or drawing Boruto, anon. For now he's done, he ended Naruto.

>>54559841
Yeah, or something like "as a full round action, you grunt and yell like you're Lexington Steele, gathering power. While in this state, you cannot move, have total cover and DR $TEXAS. At the start of your next turn, you are in Super Mode"

>>54560039
Yes.
The end of Naruto is a fucking mess with a new BBEG appearing out of thin air.
Madara is the BBEG! BUT WAIT actually it's Obito! BUT WAIT it's actually Zetsu! BUT WAIT it's actually really Madara! BUT WAIT it's actually Kaguya a diabolus ex machina! BUT WAIT it's actually Sasuke!

>>54560083
except for that last one, you're basically correct. Sasuke was just a dick.

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>>54559452

I imagine a lot of 3rd parties will be fillinig in the gaps between releases so who knows how crazy that will get let alone people trying to port straight wizards and summoners or any of the other PF classes into Starfinder.

>>54560079
Hm, skipping a turn to transform feels on point flavor-wise, but that really does suck to have to do, especially since most fights only last a small number of rounds in my experience. Even worse if they have to wait until some triggering condition is met that permits them to skip a turn transforming.

Though, they could still have attacks of opportunity, so maybe the class could get something to play with that. Or you could have other effects that trigger as you transform, like some Dazzling Display-like intimidation check against all enemies or a buff for your allies or knocking enemies away from you with the force of your spirit/power/whatever

Thank you for the suggestions, it's given me some interesting ideas to play with. And that's really good, because I need to have at least some idea of what the class' other features should be like before I go too deep on figuring out exactly how the transformation thing works.

>>54560167
Smart players will solve this with the Mutagen/Wildshape situation. That is, they'll do what they can to make their super mode last for hours, and then just buff up before combat, and stay buffed up for long periods of time just in case. Sorta flies in the face of what you're supposed to do with a "super transformation" but still.

>>54560122
I mean technically he's the final obstacle Naruto faces.

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This is your paladin tonight.

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>>54560231
No, THIS is your Paladin tonight.

>>54560231
Too old___.

>>54560208
Yes, preventing players from being able to abuse the transformation and just use it all the time is currently my #1 concern in designing this class. It entirely defeats the purpose of having a trump card unleashed form with extra power if you're going to use it literally all the time. If I can't remove that possibility without making the class feature stupidly complicated, then IMO the class will be bad no matter what else it does.

>>54560257
>Extending the wrong letter of a word

I'm fucking triggered.

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>>54560231
>>54560257
Nay, this is your paladin tonight.

>>54560231
>>54560286
One of these two is ready to smite evil.

The other one is a dirty slut dragon fucker.

>>54560286

>Caim
>Paladin

Suuuuurrrrreeeee......

>>54560298
You're just jealous because you smite three orders of magnitude less evil in a week than he does in a day.

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>>54560295
Are you implying someone can't be both of those things?

>>54560270
You can make it a "Steps" sort of thing. After a certain point they can maintain their initial transformation indefinitely if they wish to, but gain access to a more powerful form they have limited time with.

Very shonen, and it gives a clear sense of mechanical advancement. weirdly enough, Kineticist actually has something similar.

>>54560298
Hes a fiend pact avowed.
Or a warlock I guess.

>>54560257
>implying she's not a Tyrant Antipaladin Hellknight Signifer

>>54560231
Well guess that means that it's time to begin worshiping those devils because they at least have a fucking dress code that doesn't violate public decency laws and don't attract shitty ERP fags.

>>54560386
>putting on Hot Topic armor

How wild should I go with my character concept for GODSLAYERS? I've got some really wild ones!

>>54560351
Could you elaborate on what the Kineticist has that's similar? I'm not as familiar with the occult classes as the others. It gets an increasing buffer of "fake burn" it can spend as it levels up, I think, so is that what you mean?

Also, honestly, while I want to keep this class as flexible in fluff as possible, it feels most natural as something in a similar vein of fluff as a Monk or Kineticist. The class will probably offer different options for what sort of transformation you have, both mechanically and fluff-wise, so that it can remain flexible.

>>54560386
Your misunderstanding is that she's wearing a bikini to the battlefield, when clearly she brought her sword to the baths.

Evil doesn't rest during beach episodes and neither does she.

>>54560286
>My Darling can't possibly be this scruffy

>>54560368
More like Enforcer Paladin.

>>54560386
......have you SEEN diabolic dress codes? They ENFORCE the slutwear aspect!

>>54560360
>fiend
He's pretty much the poster boy for Dragon Pact though. It's DRAKENguard. Granted he's probably some custom pact given that Drakenguard pacts don't work like Avowed Pacts in that they're all pretty much symbiotic, have a cost, and can be revoked.

>>54560231
So do you have the full image or what?

>>54560368
She enforces the Law because the Law is Good, in her mind. And the problem is she's not exactly wrong, yeah she goes overboard a lot but it's not like it isn't effective.

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>>54560426
They have an ability that was designed around the idea of letting them get more powerful as they fight. It's just Kineticist's shitty mechanics that hold it back.

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>>54560434
Of course evil doesn't rest during beach episodes. They invade them.

>>54560421
Go maximum wild
I had the idea of going Occultist and flavor the implements as items stolen from the very gods.
Name of the character?
Loftur Laufeyjasonur

>>54560421
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of backstory I want to go with myself. So far the idea I like most is that there was once a great and ancient monster that terrorized the lands for quite some time, but the monster was struck down by a mighty warrior who then wished that the monster might be reborn again some day in better circumstances so they could have such an exhilarating fight once more So basically what happened with Kid Buu in DBZ I guess.

Obviously need to come up with more detail about the monster and its new life though.

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>>54560477
I wish. It's a crapshoot on whether Kingdom Death full art ever gets uploaded anywhere online.

>>54560421
Make a giant shit that became aware because it's the shit of gods and now wants to kill the gods because the gods are shit, the shit is shit and the world is shit.

Are you really fucking thinking that this isn't the most obvious bamboozle since *Insert Politician* promising *popular thing people wanted to happen*?

>>54560579
The DM is in JttW and kept professing it was serious, at least, so there's that.

>>54560484

>The paladin combats the devils with lawful scissoring and vollyball shenanigans

>>54560551
It's a shame. I'm surprised no ones made a big gallery for it considering.

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Lets turn this discussion back to being Pathfinder related. Have a new homebrewed Casting Drawback for SoP!

>Magic Hands
A caster with this drawback must have both hands unoccupied to be able to provide the somatic components needed to cast spells. You must already have the Somatic Casting drawback to select this drawback, and if you ever spend talents to remove drawbacks, you must remove this drawback first before removing the somatic casting drawback
.

And now a Feat! Usable for both SoP and Vancian, as well as having some use for martials
>Nimble Handling (General, Combat)
>Prerequisites: Dex 14, Sleight of Hand 5 ranks
While holding a light weapon of appropriate size, or similarly sized weapon, in hone hand, you may spend a swift action to treat that hand as empty for all purposes and effects, with the following exception. If trying to cast a spell and wish to treat that hand as empty for the purposes of fulfilling somatic components, you must pass a Sleight of Hand check as part of casting the spell, with a DC of 10 + the spell's caster level. If you fail this check, then the spell fails to manifest, as if failing an Spell Failure roll.
>Special:
A character with this feat gains additional bonuses if they have either 10 ranks in Sleight of Hand; both the Quick Draw and Two-Weapon Fighting feats; or a BAB of 7 and either Weapon Focus or Weapon Training (as the Fighter ability). A character who meats any of these prerequisites may instead benefit from this feat as a free action instead of a swift action. If they only qualify for this ability via the Weapon Focus or Training option, then they can only benefit from this improvement with a Light weapon they have Weapon Focus or training in.

Thoughts? Critique?

>>54560769
>A caster with this drawback must have both hands unoccupied to be able to provide the somatic components needed to cast spells. You must already have the Somatic Casting drawback to select this drawback, and if you ever spend talents to remove drawbacks, you must remove this drawback first before removing the somatic casting drawback
This is basically a non drawback for most casters anyway.

>>54560579
My secret is that I actually don't care whether it's a bamboozle or not. I'll have fun making a character!

>>54560769
>A caster with this drawback must have both hands unoccupied to be able to provide the somatic components needed to cast spells. You must already have the Somatic Casting drawback to select this drawback, and if you ever spend talents to remove drawbacks, you must remove this drawback first before removing the somatic casting drawback
That's just Somantic Casting II isn't it?

>>54560769
You can't spend talents to buy off Tradition drawbacks, only sphere-specific ones.

>>54560821
Not being able to use wands, scrolls, metamagic rods or similar stuff during a fight isn't a drawback?

>>54560846
It doesn't limit your ability to wear armor like Somatic II does which goes back to my next point
>>54560821
If you don't intend to use armor or weapons this is basically a freebie on top of Somatic 1 and 2.

>>54560861
I don't think Spheres has any of those though.
Also familiars/Conjuration Companions

>>54560898
Well, fair enough then. I haven't looked at Spheres in ages since I realized I dislike it after I first tried to build a character with it and found that all the high casters felt really generic and uninspired.

>>54560492
What's a good class to pair with Spiritualist (Phantom Blade?) I want to go Brutal Slayer but that's both MAD and makes the class lack full-BAB. Would Zealot be a better fit, or should I perhaps dump Spiritualist entirely?

I'm going for a Soul Eater type character, which is what made me look at Spiritualist initially. Could I do a better job with a full-BAB and Harbinger?

>>54560970
Wouldn't soulknife fill the same niche as Phantom Blade while having wisdom synergy with Stalker?

>>54560898
>>54560861
Spheres have Staves, which are hugely fucking important. They give +X to your caster level which is also your Caster BAB in spheres.

>>54560970
Soulknife.

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>>54560860
Dagnabbit, I just looked it up and you're right.

>>54560821
>>54560875
Yeah, I see that, but it can be useful if you want to make a sort of armored wizard if you wish. Plus it was kinda hard to think of any other food way to make and enforce "must use 2 hands" as a drawback without it being kinda redundant for non-gish casters. However, it does basically make using rods, staves, wands, and other such items and foci impossible unless they're gloves, which are pretty important for Spheres.

Still, I will concede it is pretty much one of the less costly drawbacks and isn't too well designed all things considered. Though at least it isn't Magical Signs levels of pointless

Okay, so the drawback kinda sucks, but what about critique on the feat?

>>54560938
Eh, Fey Adept and Thaumaturge are pretty cool Plus the Handbooks have made a bunch of pretty cool archetypes fro some of the high-casters that are neat. As for me, I don't mind Incanters kinda being bland since they're already potent enough on their own and are flexible enough fluff-wise to fulfill different kinds
fluff niches

Can somebody give me a quick run-down on Oracle archetypes? Which ones are good, which ones are irredeemable trash? Are any of them particularly interesting?

>>54561171
Doublecursed and Spiritguide are broke

>>54560861
>>54561072
I think 'need all hands free' is more of a drawback than anyone should really take because of this.

Staves are important. It's all well and good if your DM lets you put staff effects on non-wieldables, but... It's pretty shaky.

>>54561207
>>54561072
SoP staves don't have to be held items.

>>54560938
>high casters felt really generic and uninspired.
That's kinda the point of Spheres. To be as generic as possible. It's fill in the blank fluff.

>>54557455
43 at what level?

If I wanted to buff people by performing mystical dance moves while still being decent at combat myself, would I be better off using a Spherecaster with Perform:Dance as a requirement for casting, or should I go with a Rubato Bard?
I like Rubato Bard because it lets me be good at dodging and fighting back, but being a Spherecaster such as Mageknight or something has a much higher buff potential while still being okay at combat.

>>54561295
I know what I'm about to ask probably sounds sarcastic, but I'm asking with genuine sincerity and curiosity. Can I attach a SoP stave to my forehead and use it?

>>54561330
isn't there a magic item like a rod or ring in those crafting rules that is literally an entire tower
pretty sure you can have your forehead bead anon

>>54560938
Is a wizard in any way flavorful?

It's all about the spells you take.

>>54561330
>can I bypass this flaw so I can be more powerful?
No.

>>54561207
Hence why the ninja in Naruto primarily used unarmed combat and Kunai, which sould be suspend out of the way with the ring, whicle those who specialized in weapon either took a more "switch hitter" approach, tended to focus almost solely on weapon fighting, or were Samurai who instead took the Focus Casting drawback and just used enhanced/elemental swordsmanship in order to close distance and interrupt Ninja from using their spells

>>54561317
Isn't there a Skald archetype that is built around dancing for your allies?

>>54561330
You can make a headband or Bindi or something, and enchant it as a stave, but your DM might hate you.
Now go, and reach heaven though violence

>>54561366
>Hence why the ninja in Naruto primarily used unarmed combat and Kunai
Those were the Level 1 Fighters.

>>54561330
Technically, Spheres items aren't bound to any slot. So it would take up an item slot unless you wanted to make it even more expensive and make it slotless.

I have a pair of glasses in one game that are a 'staff' for divination. Takes the eye slot.

>>54561366
>Hence why the ninja in Naruto primarily used unarmed combat and Kunai
Naruto expert here. That's definitely not the reason. The reason is it's a simple weapon.

>>54561352
I just wanna have a magic horn man, I thought >>54561295 said it was rules-cool to do it!

>>54561366
>>54561386
It's make it fill the headband or hat slot if I can still fluff it as looking like a staff. Or better yet, something shorter.

Does Alter Summoned Monster require you to actually KNOW the summon monster spell you wish to use?

>>54561381
Kakashi is a level 1 fighter? Naruto is a Level 1 fighter? Because nearly everyone who wasn't a specialize in a certain weapon instead used Unarmed, or were actually smart like Azuma and grabbed trench-knives so he could still use his fingers for handsigns while cutting dudes up

>>54561437
Kakashi doesn't mostly use taijutsu. He's famous worldwide for his ninjutsu.

>>54561437
Kakashi isn't famous for taijutsu, he's famous for being able to steal spells from other class lists. He schools Team 7 with nothing but Taijutsu and basic cantrips to show that he's just that fucking good and to not get cocky. Kakashi is terrifying because he's a spontaneous caster with the entire Wizard spell list and most of the spells from random splats too, and has a few spells only he can use.
Naruto isn't famous for Taijutsu, he's famous for being a spontaneous caster with CL 40 and the ability to Simulacrum himself almost indefinitely even if he only knows a few other spells outside of it.

Asking about gestalt because I'm brainstorming builds for Godslayer. If both of the classes you're gestalting in are favored classes for you, do you get a favored class bonus from each? Should you?

>>54561475
>>54561495

He still uses it though, and you're still proving my point. Anyone who isn't a weapon specialist will use unarmed as their main formof taijutsu when they need to do so, because its easier to switch quickly between spells and punches since you don;t have to worry about a weapon getting in the way of your handsigns.

They may not be Taijutsu experts, but they are still very much proficient in their use, with Naruto eventually learning Toad Katas, and Kakashi being able to match Gai when he's not using his Gates.

If you aren't a Weapon Taijutsu expert, and you're using primarily Ninjutsu or Genjutsu, then chances are your main weapon of coice when forced into melee will be your fists so you can still shoot your fireballs or what have you. This is also why freaks like Haku are impressive,since being able to 1hand their jutsu makes them much more versatile and able to fight with both weapon (in Haku's case, his senbons) and jutsu

>>54561574
Varies from GM to GM, since gestalt doesn't have a formal ruleset in Pathfinder, and FCB isn't in 3.5

>>54561386
Does binding an item to a different slot change the cost?

>>54561595
Anyone who PRIMARILY uses h2h is a shitter unless they can 8gates (which is basically PoW). A Wizard 20 still has 10/5 BAB compared to a Fighter 6 which only has 6/1. Ninjutsu is what makes or breaks battles in Naruto, Taijutsu is just nice to have when someone teleports behind you or you're out of spell slots.

>>54561574
Only half elves get that ability.
.

>>54561574
No, that's Helfs.

>>54561574
Ask the GM.

>>54561631
Nope.

Only making it slotless.

>>54561366
I see you're someone who is familiar with the act of Cutting.

if i go sphere sorcerer and get blood havoc, then multiclass into incanter from there, do my destructive blasts still count as sorcerer spells, or does that stop working as soon as i multiclass?
blood havoc specifically calls out "sorcerer spells"
what if i take a bloodline as an incanter and take blood havoc? i'm not even a sorcerer to begin with in that case. would that change to "incanter spells" or simply not functions?

If you cast Force Sword on the Ethereal Plane, can you hit things on the Material Plane?

>>54561725
Is there some drawback compared to regular magic items? The CRB specifically talks about how all slots aren't balanced to be interchangeable.

>>54561811
no, but it works the other way around

>>54560141
The head dev already announced a 3PP book that ports over all the Pathfinder Core Races and Classes. It comes out around the same time

Without taking spell level into consideration, is there ever a reason to use Gaseous Form over Ethereal Jaunt?

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So how would one go about making a Cryomancer in Pathfinder?

preferably while having some unarmed ability for the sake of Mortal Kombat, but the ice powers are the big thing.

>>54562035
Esoteric Magus specialized in cold magic.

>>54562035
Winter Witch. You even get to bypass Cold Resistance

>>54562019
Hey, could I get a link to that, if there is one?