So it seems like this is pretty much Shadowrun during the be

>>54433164
I mean, I'll definitely give it a watch. Worst case scenario, it's really bad and I've wasted my time. Best case scenario, we get the best Shadowrun movie ever made. I'll take those odds.

>>54433164
Wow yeah this basically is. Wonder if we get Dunkelzahn revealed at the end of the credits

>>54433164
>Thoughts?
With this being an obvious racism allegory, it makes me wonder if RPG books made in the 6th world, do they give the different races different stats, or do they make them all the same to avoid being racist/sexist like how most mainstream RPG books avoid giving different stats to men and women?

>>54434144
I mean, a troll is very obviously stronger than a human

A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman

>>54433164
I'll give it a watch maybe. I wonder if while filming suicide squad the director came in and asked the actors if they wanted to be in a Shadowrun film. And Will Smith and that corrupt prison guard (the guy with the mo who puts on the glove) said 'sure'.

>>54434144
There's probably an Ork supremacist RPG where orks have ten strength and humans have five and elves have one.

In general though I think most people recognize the obvious differences. Though there is probably shit like people saying orcs should have -4 Int because racism is still prevalent for stuff like that.

>>54434606
>>A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman

Certainly a woman could be stronger that a man but females in general have lower total muscle mass than males, and also having lower muscle mass in comparison to total body mass.

http://jap.physiology.org/content/89/1/81

>>54434606
> a man is not obviously stronger than a woman

I mean, I am not saying there should be stat differences in the RPG (I just don't care) but you could try to be a little less obviously wrong.

>>54433164
yisssss

>>54434794
It's called FATAL

>>54433544
Worst case scenario it's a not so subtle hamfisted super preachy allegory to the BLM movement.

I'm not even giving okja a shot because I already know how it's going to be

>>54434923
Just from the trailer it looks like it's not gonna be quite that, thankfully.

>>54434923
>>54434943

What the fuck are you two chucklefucks wringing your hands about?

Regardless; trailer actually has me a bit hyped.

>>54435034
>wringing your hands
Yeah i dont think you know what that means

>>54434923
What is okja even about?

Having read the sold script before it got the David Ayer treatment, I'll give it a solid 6/10. It's definitely not Max Landis' best work. First half is pretty awwwwwwright, second half kinda drags.

>>54433164
Urban fantasy movie? Freaking A I have a reason to watch netflix

>>54434606
Have you been outside lately?

>>54436630
An "Evil Villain Inc" company genetically engineers a super pig to feed the masses and gain profits, and act like cartoon villains.

Where these pigs are born, a small chink child falls in love with a super pig, and realizes it's meant for slaughter. So she helps it escape. Then it's an epic adventure of escape and freedom as brave noble environmental activist groups come daring to the child and super pig's rescue, also exposing the company for the bad guys they are for daring to meet a free market's demands.

Haven't even seen it yet, and I think the reason why should seem obvious.

>>54436689
Aaaaand here's the Ayerized script. Anon delivers. Judge after reading, pls
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/ljzoQk83g7vY0n4QV6rFw21berBtFfFeD7jWZOWIydIwmH9GFtnxKKOcynqcM51F/file?dl=1

>>54434748
Nah, Max Landis cranked out the script after seeing that no-one in movies was making anything like this. He pitched it, producers and executives liked it, then they doctored it, etc. etc, movie-making happened.

I read an article in Empire about that. Apparently there's some stuff that Landis doesn't like about it, very vocally so, but the article didn't say what that was. I guess we'll have to wait for him to sperg out about it.

Either way, Shadowrun was never a part of the creative process of this thing. Which sucks, because there's no way a Shadowrun movie's going to be made now unless this thing goes gangbusters. People will say "oh it's too derivative", the fact that Shadowrun did it first be damned.

>>54433164
The trailer didn't go as hard into the District 9 tier
>THE ORKS AND ELVES ARE LIKE HUMAN MINORITIES YOU GUYS, LOOK AT MY CLEVER ALLEGORY
as I was expecting.

Having read the script, yeah, orks are magical blacks corralled in a ghetto profiled by the police. On top of that, there are regular blacks corralled in a ghetto profiled by the police.

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>>54433164
Hello, I was cancelled 30 years ago, and what is this?

>>54433164
Neat. Will give it a look, sure.

>>54436736
Almost sounds like Bio-Meat except in that one the genetically engineered meat animals eat everyone in Japan.
and it was such a fun action buddy comedy I can't even believe it

>>54434923
>>54434943

Do you guys know nothing about Shadowrun?

>>54433164

It's fucking Shadowrun.

>>54433544
Same

>>54434840

Do we know how much of that is connected to lifestyle?

Like what would it look like if it was taken w/ women who worked in factories during WWII in US?

>>54437561

A Shadowrun movie could still be easily made on the Netflix or even Youtube tier.

>>54434794
>There's probably an Ork supremacist RPG where orks have ten strength and humans have five and elves have one.
Except it doesn't actually matter in practice, because the author forgot to include strength in any calculations.

>>54440202
How naive must you be to not have noticed the inherent physical advantages that men have over women? Especially regarding strength. Have you never spent time around females? It's pretty unfair how lopsided our biology is in that respect.

>>54440919
I'm not him, but there is some evidence to suggest that part of the reason that men tend to be more muscular than women, on average, is that parents engage in more physical play with boys than they do with girls, on average. Boys are often seen as less fragile than girls even at a very early age where there is pretty much no difference, so parents are more willing to be rougher.
On the other hand, parents , on average, engage in more talkative play with girls than with boys.

This then creates a feedback loop where boys are more likely to engage in sports throughout their schooling as they already have that experience in moving their bodies.

So while there probably are indeed some biological differences in strength, much of the is also likely the result social roles and expectations which lead to boys and girls receiving different focuses in early development, and throughout their lives.

>>54441093
I've heard this theory before and after doing some research I've concluded that it's a load of rubbish. The gap is arguably larger between male and female athletes who exercise all the time. Women's national hockey and basketball teams regularly get schooled by high school male teams. There's a reason that sporting competitions are segregated by gender. I think it's just a desperate excuse put out by people who don't want to accept that sexual dimorphism is prevalent in humans.

>>54438008
So literally magical negroes?

>>54441093
There is no evidence that nurture is the cause of humanity's sexual dimorphism.

>>54436736

I don't feel like watching it but you know you can watch things without agreeing to it

>>54441266
I agree, although there's a difference between avoiding a movie because you disagree with its message and avoiding a movie because its message is trite or preachy. Not him btw.

>>54441093

You're wrong.

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>>54434606
Nearly all men are stronger than nearly all women, why do you think that we have separate events in the Olympics?

>>54441397
>grip strength
>a sound measure of total physical fitness and bodily strength
Rev up those correlations!

>>54441397
>why do you think that we have separate events in the Olympics?
Old fashioned sexism. Male fragility couldn't survive being defeated by a woman in sports.

>>54441397
>combinded
I'm sure this is trustworthy and of fine high quality.

>>54441397
Don't drag our side of the argument down by posting unsourced infographics with spelling errors you unbelievably dumb cunt.

>>54436736
The enviromentalists all come off as ineffective, weak, fags. Its almost 100% intentional

And the Corp wins in the end. If you're smart, you'll catch who the movie is REALLY making fun of

>>54441146
>>54441240

Just because female athletes exercise all the time in adulthood, doesn't mean their parents engaged in as much physical play with them, on average, when they were children, as they would have, on average, if they were boys.

Now I don't doubt that biology/nature plays a role in human sexual dimorphism, but you'd be naive to think that social factors don't exacerbate the divide. It's a feedback loop, a slight advantage in average strength means boys are slightly more likely to succeed in physical activities, so people expect boys to better in physical activities, so they play with them more physically, which makes them better at it, which further enhances those expectations etc.
From an evolutionary point of view, division of labour meant it was more efficient for groups to specialise into different tasks. If by random chance men proportionally were randomly allocated to more physically demanding tasks (maybe because of a random adaption giving more strength to men, but maybe literally just random allocation), this would put evolutionary pressure on humans to adapt and have males become stronger on average. Which gives them a comparative advantage on average in these physical tasks, which makes it more efficient to allocate them to this social role, so expectations cause them to be assigned to these roles, so there is more evolutionary pressure on them to adapt. And so forth until both sexual dimorphism and solidified gender roles.
Of course this is just a brief summary, but in essence biology is influenced and influences the environment, including social environment.
Now that our social environment has changed it's probable that we'll evolve differently in the future. Now that society is more egalitarian and strength is less important to evolutionary fitness for men, we might see the sexual dimorphism diminish. Then again, perhaps not.

>>54441464
As far as I've heard, the movie essentially criticises both sides (but perhaps more so the Corp).
At the very least it doesn't pretend it's all black and white. It recognises that reality is far more complex.

>>54441466
There's no data testing this hypothesis beyond shower thoughts and plenty to support it being a fundamental genetic divide. I'm disinclined to give it much merit until there's literally any supporting evidence.

>>54441411
Grip strength was strongly correlated with total muscle strength
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3448119/

>>54441427
>>54441450
Comes from the US National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) 2011-2012
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nchs/nhanes/2011-2012/MGX_G.htm

>>54441513
What data is there supporting it being a fundamental genetic divide to the exclusion of any kind of social influence?
We don't know enough about genetics to pinpoint exact genes responsible for sexual dimorphism, so it's not like we can manipulate them in an experimental way while controlling for social and environmental factors.

What we do know about genetics is that genes are often activated or deactivated by environmental factors. It is far more likely that a gene's expression will be influenced by environmental factors than it won't.

Furthermore, evolutionary models suggest that a slight change in starting conditions (a slight asymmetry in strength or slight asymmetry in population proportions) can lead to very different equilibria/outcomes (also known as basins of attraction) where the final mix of biological and social strategies can be vastly different. It can be seen through these models that the environment (both social and otherwise) and biology influence each other.

The nature vs. nurture debate has mostly been resolved in biology and psychology in favour of both having a large and important impact that can't be understated in either case.

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>>54436736
>exposing the company for the bad guys they are for daring to meet a free market's demand

Listen anon, I'm no saint either, but if you're okay with subjecting animals to living conditions so horrendous that it amounts to torture, just to make more money, you're a soulless, cold-hearted, detestable, monster of a human being. How do you justify this to yourself? Are you so enamored with the corrupt capitalist system we live in that you don't even give a second thought to the beings that are hurt by it?

>>54441466
What traits are important for evolutionary fitness for men nowadays? Intelligence?

What would you predict humans will be like in the future?

>>54434923
Okja is actually pretty tame, the supposedly obnoxious rant is done as a parody. Everyone in that movie is a parody.
The movie isn't so good, nevertheless, aside some shots that are nice.

>>54441664
Who are you to limit the ambition of another human being? What genuine authority do you have?

If there is profit to be made, it should be made by you. If you don't do it, someone else will do it instead and probably go even further than you. It's the nature of competition.

Go and live in the woods like the fucking animals you worship, if it means so much to you.

>>54441702
>If there is profit to be made, it should be made by you. If you don't do it, someone else will do it instead and probably go even further than you. It's the nature of competition.

I think this just comes down to a fundamental difference in our worldviews. I know that the whole "nature of competition" thing is how it works, but I don't think that's how it should work. Do you? You say:

>Go and live in the woods like the fucking animals you worship, if it means so much to you.

But it seems to me like you're the animalistic one, with the whole social darwinist, every man for himself thing. What you describe captures the essence of the cro magnon society.

>>54441693
Hmm. Well given that our society has become a lot more egalitarian in terms of gender and may continue to do so in the future, then to the extent that intelligence is important for the acquisition of resources, it is important for the evolutionary fitness of women as well. So I doubt that will lead to any kind of sexual dimophism. Although women do tend to get higher levels of education, on average, than men...

Regardless, it's pretty much impossible to predict the social and economic environment of the future. If we can get the singularity off, then one possible future may well be that we enter a post-work society in which economic status is no longer important for evolutionary fitness, and thus neither strength nor intelligence may have as much weight.

Currently though, women often rate a sense of humour almost about as high as looks in terms of attractiveness. So maybe that will become more important in the future.
Something I find funny, is that while women often find muscles on men attractive, the kind of muscle is more for looks than for strength. So maybe us men will become like peacocks with ridiculous but useless displays lolol

But in all seriousness, predicting the future is not my area of expertise, and generally even the 'experts' get it wrong. There are just too many factors. Most evolutionary biology is cases of 'how possible', of why things are the way they are.

>>54441965
>>54441693
Also I should mention evolution generally works on a scale of thousands of years for humans. Given how much society has changed in the last 100, who knows what'll happen to us in terms of evolution. By that time we may all be dead from global warming.

>>54441230
Orcs always were fantasy melanzane.

>>54441631
They're called tomboys.
If it's just a matter of childhood play then there should be at least some girls as strong as the strongest men, but there's not.

>>54442324
As I keep saying, it's not just a matter of childhood play. There are certainly biological factors involved. Men do produce more testosterone, which does improve muscle growth.
All I am saying though is environmental factors, like childhood play, are also likely to have a big impact.
Just as reading to your child and engaging in lots of talk and word play improves your child's language skills and reading comprehension, engaging in physical play improves your child's motor skills (plus exercise boosts testosterone levels).
If there is a systematic difference in how people play with boys and with girls, which there is, then that is likely to systematically contribute to differences commonly associated with sex and gender. And these differences reinforce how we play with our children.

If we all started playing with our children in the same manner on average, then of course there will still be sex differences, but it is highly likely they'll be less pronounced statistically.
Not to mention, there would be all sorts of other social factors that encourage men towards developing strength and women not to.
But the point still stands, I do agree it is not just social, there most likely is a genetic sex difference, but I argue it is not as large as people seem to assume, social/environmental factors are also important.

>>54442639
>I argue it is not as large as people seem to assume

I think it's the opposite. It's likely much larger the people assume due to the current feminist dogma.
I have a cousin the same age who is a girl, and we grew up together, doing almost everything with each other. She exercises more than me, but I'm still much stronger.
The strongest men are obviously much stonger than the strongest women too.

>>54434606

>A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman

What pro level sport do women and men compete on an equal footing? None.

>>54434748

Lol you think normies know wtf Shadowrun is?

>>54441965

Keep justifying your bullshit about being weak bro. Get to the gym and start lifting. Women mate with the muscle dude not the funny guy.

>>54443033
Be Kevin Hart. Be both.
Maybe don't cheat on your wife. or be a manlet.

>bright
>shadow

>RPG are a thing, no? GoT looks like a D&D thing.
>there is few D&D movies. We could make one
>wouldn't work. It would be generic as fuck
>hey, we have this cool RPG, Shadowrun, that is D&D meets Blade Runner.
>niiiice. Does the creators allow us to make a movie?
>why? Fuck them, make it modern times instead, and we avoid royalties.
>what we will call this shadowrun rip off?
>bright?

>>54441093
>https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

>>54443144
I'm 90% sure Max Landis has no idea what Shadowrun is

I can't believe there are people in this thread who seriously think that the fact that women lose to men in sports because of social factors and not genetics.
Since when 4chan has feminists?
Seems like it trully became normie site with all consequences of this.

>>54442176
>By that time we may all be dead from global warming.
You do know that earth isn't going to turn into Venus right? There'll be massive unrest, economic collapse, and everyone in the 3rd world will starve to death, but humans will still be around.

>>54441424
pls provide olympic statistics for a sport in which women outperform men.

>>54441466
You are a cretin. That makes absolutely no sense at all.

>>54441491
The Corp comes off as a symptom of a greater evil, not necessarily as evil for its own sake

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>>54441424
It would be alot more fun if you werent baiting, and you were actually retarded

>>54437561
>Max Landis

Fucking dropped.

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>>54441631
Id imagine even an average inactive neet malr is still stronger without any real activity than a woman who walks to work and is moderately active.

I dont have the link, but this is correlated in performance studies done by the U.S army. I believe the bottom 50% of males outperformed the top 1% of female recruits. Look it up yourself though, cant find it on my phone but plenty of studies show the same information and I dont know a single one that contradicts the fact that a female stronger than a male is anything but a rare outlier, not the norm.

It seems unlikely to be a social thing, given circumstances such as "both males and females of this test volunteered to join the army" and seems more correlated to low testostetone, smaller frames, slower metabolisms and other genetic causes. Our current society is one that approves of contrarianism to social standards yet very little changes as a result to prove women are not at a notable genetic predisposition to lower strength.

>>54443958
Yeah, rich people...

Also in general, does physical strength really matters in society at this point? And does it cheapen sports to make it sound like upper body strength matters the most.

>>54441266
If I know I'm not going to like it, I won't watch it. By viewing it, I am in a way supporting it.

>>54441093
Testosterone is anabolic, and that's all you need to know to settle this line of questioning.

>Fun story that looks like a less futuristic Shadowrun
>the macguffin is a magic wand
>thread devolves into fucking /pol/ bullshit and -4 strength
Fuckin welcome to 4chan 2017.

>>54441519
This isn't the best source to confirm your point. From the introduction:
"Both grip and knee extension strength have been used to characterize overall limb muscle strength of individuals. Whether this is appropriate has been questioned but not resolved."

From the conclusion:
"The findings of this study suggest that for healthy adults isometric measures of grip and knee extension strength reflect a common underlying construct, that is, limb muscle strength. Nevertheless, differences in activities requiring grip and knee extension strength and the findings of our analysis preclude a blanket advocacy for using either alone to describe the limb muscle strength of tested individuals."

All this tells me is that it's an open question whether grip strength is enough to assess overall strength. Most damningly, this article has not been cited on the topic of general muscle strength in five years.

Not saying you're wrong, exactly - I'd love to see a strong reference to end this question, but that paper is not it.

>>54445168
you havent been here long....

>>54444637
Whatever numbers you cite, he'll always counter with "It's because of how they were raised."

Nurturists sit comfortably in a position that is very difficult to falsify by design, and they mistake it as a strength of their ideas, rather than a weakness. It's a pleasant vision after all (everybody is naturally equal), and provides a windmill to struggle against (there must therefore be someone or something distorting that equality, which is unjust).

>>54444637
Not that guy, and I know it's an anecdote, but I'm 6'3, male, and my 5'3 roommate is noticeably stronger than I am. Mostly because I never worked a day in my life before age 25 and actively avoided all physical activity even as a child, while she has been waitressing since she was 17 (she's 24 now, I'm 26) and can carry an insane amount of plates and cups and shit. She also actively refuses to get men to carry things for her, when she physically can do it herself. She's not especially muscular, I'm just coming out of a very sedentary life.

Sadly given that I now work in a kitchen, I am starting to get stronger since I have to move. It sucks.

>>54446183
WHOOPS. Apologies. She's 5'8. So, y'know, she has some leverage. Just not as much as I do.

>>54446183
>I am starting to get stronger since I have to move. It sucks.
You sound like a low test pussy.

>>54443513
Max Landis is a pretentious nerd son of a famous filmmaker but a pretentious nerd is still a nerd. I'd not be shocked if he knows what it is, even if not in detail.

>>54447024
He might, but he would just deny. Calling himself a wellspring of originality in a creatively bankrupt modern Hollywood

>>54447024
Before 2010, the last movie John Landis made was fucking Blues Brothers 2000 in '98. Nepotism does get you through the door, but it doesn't get you sold scripts. And everyone they care to ask about him says that he writes more than is probably healthy. Instead of hanging out with friends on a long train ride, he was cranking out a story idea he'd had right then. He wrote Deeper on a flight when he was supposed to be working on his TV show.

That said, he is friends with Talisein Jade and Matt Mercer from Critical Role, and they're huge RPG nerds. However, as much as he talks about his influences and storytelling and what has affected him and how quickly he can think of a movie pitch (irrespective of quality, as he fully admits) you'd think live improv group storytelling would be something he mentions among comics, movies and pro wrestling. But no, it's never come up.

If he were to play, I'd peg him as the kind of person who would write a 20-page backstory and/or scrap a character every other session because he just had a new idea.

>>54433164
So, what level focus is that wand?

>>54448277
In the script it seems like wands are RNGesus perils of the warp/wild magic machines in the hands of a mundane, but for a "bright" (someone who can actually do magic themselves) they're nuke-tier power amplifiers

>>54448161
>nd/or scrap a character every other session because he just had a new idea
I know a guy like this, we basically have to peer pressure him not to do so because it brings the whole experience for everyone down since as a group we try for long term games and having to throw a new dude into the group every month is kind of stupid

What possesses a man to be like that?

>>54437561
dude,this thing IS shadowrun. Like, do you need an official logo in there to make it count?

>>54446201
Shorter people have smaller ROM.
You're also not representative of the average man, more like the bottom of the scale.
Someone else already posted the graph with the very bottom men being surpassed by the top women.

And if anything, if you got off your ass your testosterone would make you surpass her in no time. Doesn't matter if you were "physical" as a child/teen or not (this alters bone density but not strength).

>>54444410
Yeah both association with suicide squad and Max Landis has me worried now

>>54449472
I always kinda feel like I should be giving him one more chance.

His work on American Alien was great.

>>54449472
I like Ayer, the other films he's done have been good. SS I think was tanked by a mix of studio demands and then handing the final edit off to a third party.

>>54444637
It's closer to the bottom 5% of men outperforming the bottom 75% of women, IIRC. Still kind of surprising statistics but not quite as dramatic as literally all men are stronger than literally all women.

>>54443910
No one believes in genetics anymore anon
Gender politics has invaded all aspects of life
Any science that disproves the feminist dogma is discredited and ignored by mainstream media outlets
People would rather dump money into trying to prove that the genders and races have no biological differences whatsoever, when they very clearly do, than they would fund cancer research

>>54445168
The start of the trailer is a blatant BLM riff. What'd you expect?

>>54449192
It's more modern Tolkien than Shadowrun.
Notice the reference to orks siding with a Dark Lord thousands of years ago.
He even has pitched a modern day Tolkien movie pretending to be a deep-sea horror flick as an example of an idea you could write but never sell.

>>54450065
It seems like a black vs hispanic racism-moral theme is there.

>>54441793
And it's also the society that has fostered the advances necessary for your pseudo philosophical ass to spout this bullshit online in safety and comfort. Show some goddamn respect for it.

>>54433164
Was this actually a Shadowrun script originally but they couldn't secure the license?

>>54450302
Nope.
I don't get why everyone is saying this is Shadowrun. The 80s didn't invent "dude let's put Tolkien races in a quasi modern urban setting", nor is it a very original idea in the first place
>>54450124
If there is, it's an effect of casting - will smith'a character in the script is white.

>>54450124
>hispanics are orcs

That's bullshit, my ex just had really big incisors and was kind of jacked for a woman. Doesn't mean the entire migration out of Spain was an orcish immigration.

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>>54443910
It's amazing how you can so easily misinterpret things. The anons you're talking about said outright that genetics plays a factor as well.

Nuance truly is dead.

>>54450186
>it's also the society that has fostered the advances necessary

Well, those advances were made by slowly leaving behind the type of society I mentioned, so this doesn't really mean much.

>pseudo philosophical

Hit me right in the feels.

>>54450752
I think the Native American/Mayan/Aztecian half of that equation are the orcs.

>Tribal "nomadic" culture
>Shamans
>Furs and leathers as their primary armor
>Whites encroaching on their land

>>54436630
An extremely unsubtle critique of both the meat industry and the people who protest it presented as a live action Studio Ghibli movie. If you're not like >>54436736 and can enjoy something that contains politics you don't agree with it's fine but the director's previous movie Snowpiercer was a more enjoyable watch.

>>54445168
-4 STR
haven't heard that.name in a long time

>>54441702
>Hey everybody I just read Atlas Shrugged and it changed my life

>>54449472
Ayer is good when he doesn't have to work against panicked DC execs trying to mangle his attempts to make a gritty Suicide Squad movie into Guardians of the Galaxy at the last minute.

>>54451872

Honestly, I think SS would have gone better if it had embraced the camp from the start. DC's track history with 'Gritty' recently has been kinda terrible.

>>54451899
Ayers gritty is way better than Snyder gritty though, remember the movie was originally supposed to be rated R. You can have camp and serious stuff in the same movie (I forget if Deadpool came out before or after SS but it worked alright there) but that has to be the intention from the start. SS was doomed the moment the execs hired a director who is good at making gritty movies and started going "well we have to make it funny now, that's why GotG did well"

>>54452003

Yeah, I just think Secret Six would have worked better than Suicide Squad as pure gritty. Suicide Squad has always come across as a bit more theatrical and camp.

>>54434606

> A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman.

Ha, get a load of this pussy, _guys_, let's have a laugh.

Har. Har.

>>54452053
Admittedly I know next to nothing about comic book stuff so when I heard about a movie featuring three Batman villains I was more or less familiar with in a weird R rated ensemble bad guy team I was pretty intrigued. Shame that movie turned out how it did, it really seemed like there was a good movie hidden under all the shit.

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>>54434606
Literally the entire history of athletics disagrees with you but okay.

>>54441793
>social darwinist, every man for himself thing.
That's your take-away from not anthropomorphizing animals, treating them like animals instead of people? Jesus christ.
Also, regardless of your definition of animalistic. You have to notice the connection between embracing industry and human co-operation that anon is trumpeting and living in the woods with animals like he's dismissing as your thing is one of contrastic opposites only.

>>54452147

Secret 6 was basically the (Darker and more grounded) precursor to Suicide Squad. Had a fair bit of character interaction/relationships rather than just being 'Now you know each other for this single mission'.

Also had some MUCH worse people on it like Cheshire. Suicide Squad tends to lean more towards 'Bad but not TOO bad'.

>>54441793

Research the deer populations before and after wolves were released there.

Predators made deer populations rise.

Death made more life than before AND extra deaths.

>>54452285
"Treating animals like animals" doesn't justify the dogshit conditions most factory farms like the one satirized in Okja operate under. It's been proven over and over again that animals raised and killed in conditions that allow them to live comfortably produce higher quality meat. Meat shouldn't be cheap, it's one of the clearest examples of the phrase "you get what you pay for."

>>54433164
>So it seems like this is pretty much
leftist propaganda, but at least of the entertaining kind

>>54434606
>A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman
That sentence tells us quite a lot about you, friendo.
I'd suggest you fix your stick-arms and start working out, pussy.

>>54452528

Supermarkets are just terrible for the treatment of both Farmers and the animals. In Australia it's ruining milk farmers because the oligopoly of supermarkets are competing for cheap milk. $3 for 3L of milk, with the supermarket taking most of the profits means that milk farmers are running at a loss but can't really stop as 'Some money' is better than 'No money' if they say no and get blacklisted.

Which leads to worse conditions for the animals in turn as they push to make more milk with less money.

>>54447024
Honestly shadowrun isn't a major label. I was surprised when it got a video game.

>>54452759
A great videogame.

>>54452759
Shadowrun's been getting periodic video games since back in the N64 days, the recent ones are just the only ones that have been any good.

>people thinking women being weaker is due to genetics and not hormones
It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, if you pump it with testosterone, then even if they sit all day being a blob, they'll be stronger than someone not-roided-out.

Like, fuck, a man who is being given steroids who does NO EXERCISE AT ALL beats 90% of men doing intense physical exercise.

If we gave women steroids, this whole problem would be moot.

>>54440202
It's most likely due to males converting more of their caloric intake into muscle and expendable circulating energy reserves, while females tend to convert more into fat deposits.

http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/genderdifferences.html

>>54453026
>Genetics play no role in hormone production
>Steroids work without exercise

>>54440202
Just look at professional sports, even the best women in their field get completely outclassed by their male counterparts across the board. Serena Williams has the upper body of a fucking man and even she gets BTFO in matches by guys ranked out of the top 200. An Australian professional football team got destroyed by a 15 and under boys club. It's not a femmenist issue, women are biologically weaker than men and that's a fact

>>54454549
Genetics do factor into it, but you can artificially give someone testosterone if you feel like it.

And yeah, steroids do work with no exercise. It's fucking bullshit.
They work even better if you exercise, but either way you will beat out normal humans.

>>54449989
Of course, I really didn't remember what the numbers were besides it being surprising. Thanks, I couldn't find the study myself.

>>54453026
>Like, fuck, a man
Calm down there, chief

>>54445892
>provides a windmill to struggle against (there must therefore be someone or something distorting that equality, which is unjust).

My thoughts exactly. Many of these "blank slate" types will try to make statements that cannot be proven to be false, in a manner that is not often unlike the claims made by the more fundamentalist christians over their dogma ("you can't prove [x] didn't do [y] to make my comfortable egalitarian dogma palatable!"). These claims about social influence being the prime determinant in different behaviors of different groups (gender, race, class, sexuality, etc) often segue into demands by the blank slatist for mandating often widespread changes within society itself on the grounds of equality.

>>54455332
Where do I stand if I feel like we should be developing new breeds of human with all the strengths of men and women?

Or at least taking advantage of women's still hands and slender build to have them do high finesse work.

>>54455380
If we have the capacity to genetically modify people in this manner, or use eugenics towards the end that you propose, then we're probably advanced enough to avoid the issue of male/female strength altogether. Any machine could have far more finesse and strength than the most herculean man or the most dextrous female, and for a fraction of the overall cost.

Also, I don't understand why an egalitarian such as yourself would entertain the idea of making a new "breed" of human, I thought that went against your entire line of thinking since it would make an "unfair" distinction between the new breed and the old breed?

>>54455552
I am a third party anon.
And fuck the idea that machines are a fraction the cost, people are FREE. They make more of themselves all the fucking time.
Also organic systems can get really fucking strong if you design them for that.

>>54455630
>people are FREE

This doesn't take into account medical care for humans, the cost to feed them and their offspring and the MASSIVE costs to educate them. One person might take hundreds of thousands of dollars if you want them raised in 1st world conditions.

>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/14/costs-raising-child/2649311/

>"Parents with a baby born in 2012 will spend $217,000 to half a million dollars to raise the child to age 18, not including the cost of college, according to statistics out Wednesday from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The exact amount families spend varies depending on income."

>Also organic systems can get really fucking strong if you design them for that.

Even basic mechanical systems from the 19th century could offer more strength or mechanical power in a smaller package than breeds of organics bread specifically for the same purpose. The fact that people in the midwest use tractors over massive teams of horses speaks to this fact. Also, if you must change humans and how we breed, it would better if weren't bred to be work animals or have our main purpose be menial physical labor.

>>54455630
>people are FREE.

Actually they're very expensive.

>Also organic systems can get really fucking strong if you design them for that.

They cannot compete with equivalent mechanical devices because they must expend resources to stay alive.

>>54455743
>the machines don't have auto-repair systems
Jesus christ, what shit.
>>54455741
>raising in 1st world conditions
There's your problem.
You need to get your hands on some cheap, easily replaceable genejacks. Save the robots for the delicate shit.

>>54454856
It was actually worse than I remembered. I wish I could find the actual study (I'm at work and can't be arsed to dig through a pile of hyperlinks) but according to https://www.livescience.com/52998-women-combat-gender-differences.html

>And a 2006 study in the same journal revealed that men had much stronger grips than women — the difference was so big that 90 percent of the women scored lower than 95 percent of the men. The team also looked at highly trained female athletes who excelled at sports requiring a strong grip, such as judo or handball. Though these women did have a stronger grip compared with other women, they still performed worse than 75 percent of the men on this task

And grip strength is a pretty solid indicator of upper body strength, which men already have an advantage in with a broader upper body.

Article also mentions that women are more prone to injuries that occur under strain, like stress fractures but there's some talk that extending training time helps lower these occurrences.

>>54455799
>>the machines don't have auto-repair systems
>Jesus christ, what shit.

Correct, you can simply replace parts rather than wait hope they heal correctly.

>>54455861
Oh, and now you have to build fucking replacement parts.
Wheras with humans, you can just dump a thousand of them in a field, come back in a hundred years, and have as many replacements as you'd like.

>>54455889
>Wait a hundred years

You'll be rendered irrelevant in that time by newer technologies.

>>54455929
It takes a LONG time for humans to stop being useful for work, anon.
We're looking at over tens of thousands of years and counting.

>>54455955
Automation wasn't a thing not so long ago.
Times change.

>>54456017
They change fucking slowly is what they do.

>>54441702
>limit the ambition

It's fucking paper you stupid motherfucker.

>>54450677
>on fucking /tg/
>wonders why people associate this movie w/ Shadowrun

>>54450971
They don't care about understanding, they care about memeing

>>54455630
Nah, humans have a lot of maintenance, don't last nearly as long, take a long ass time to be useful, and want rights.

>>54436739
Error 404 you gormless meat sack.

>>54455799

>cheap, easily replaceable genejacks

Is this a Shadowrun joke? Exploitation of fellow humans always results in the long term destruction of the exploitative system.

>>54450677
Where would you say "Tolkien races in a quasi modern urban setting" was invented?

>>54455889

>dump a hundred humans in a field
>what could possibly go wrong?

You have no idea how humans work, do you?

>>54455955
>technology never occurs in bursts that trigger massive leaps in knowledge and tool development

Are you American? It sounds like your school system has failed you.

>>54433164
> Tweets about regretting Suicide Squad.
> Signs up for Fantasy Suicide Squad.

>>54456345
To be honest, suicide squad being bad really wasn't his fault.

>>54456307
As soon as someone proofread LotR and said "by jove, what if we had these hobbit rabble running around London"
>>54456290
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7h1yix9tlg1w6l/BRIGHT_1.pdf?dl=0
Try this one

>>54456425
faggot, there is a difference between thought and action

>>54456448
No shit. But "x in a different time period" is as unoriginal as "die hard on an X", with any difference in quality determined by execution. Shadowrun is not special.
I understand that /tg/ would kneejerk to thinking it is, but come on. You think someone has to be in on the sekrit club to have such a basic idea?

>>54456425
It's easy to say someone thought it, but without an example of doing it I'm not really convinced

>>54441965
>Although women do tend to get higher levels of education, on average, than men...
Women also tend, on average, to get shitty worthless degrees so I'd take 'more educated' with a grain of salt

>>54442639
>there most likely is a genetic sex difference
most likely?
the fuck do you mean most likely?

women's hips are wider to accommodate childbirth, and the farther-apart leg joints result in naturally inward facing legs whereas men have naturally outward facing legs. That's an actual, physical, mechanical difference totally unaffected by any upbringing. This is why women's hips have a tendency to suffer stress fractures much more easily when travelling long distances with heavy loads (for example in the infantry, but we couldn't let that mean little fact stop women from getting to the front lines so they can get our own troops killed).

>>54434606
>A man is not very obviously stronger than a woman
annnnd they've been summoned

>>54446183
You sound like a pathetic faggot but when push comes to shove I'd bet you're still stronger than her.

>>54441702
Morgan my man, how're things on Planet?

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>>54433164

For fuck's sake, this shill asshole posted this in the Shadowrun general, and now you fuck's have all fallen for it?

What is wrong with you? I thought you were better than this, anons.

>>54446817
Probably. Though iirc when I got tested for that shit I was slightly on the low side of the normal range.

>>54449337
>And if anything, if you got off your ass your testosterone would make you surpass her in no time.

You say that, but I've had this job for a year or so and I've gone from ~295 to ~221 pounds. She's still stronger than me. If I actually tarted weight lifting I could probably wreck her pretty quickly though.

>>54457036
I kinda doubt this, since literally every time we've messed around physically she's been stronger. If I could maneuver myself into THE most advantageous position to take advantage of my extra leverage/mass I could probably overpower her, but that's not related to raw strength really.

>>54433164
Oh nice a fantasy movie in a modern set...
>from the directors of Suicide Squad
Aaaand dropped

>>54457105
Why did you think that?

>>54433164

>from the director of suicide squad and fury

Well fuck, it's probably gonna be crap then.

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>semi-hype trailer with Shadowrun feels gets posted
>devolves into an argument about gender
You're all fucks and I am excited about this movie.