Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1614: Honey Sourdough Edition

Reposting this from last thread cause I want feedback and last time worked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQvGuSHMbMc

WEN'Z DA WAAAGH HAPPENIN'

WEN DA WE GET TA KRUSH SUM GITS, IZ WOT IM ASKIN

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>>54345324

Damn

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>The Girl who Stole the Stars, Diend! What adventures will she have today?

Jump D108: Captain SNES
Origin: Drop-In
Perks:
Schroedinger's Jumper
Can't Catch Me
Niht Repap [900]
Clever Girl [700]
That Damn Diend! [400]
Competitive Spirit [0]

Items:
A Small Bell

Drawbacks:
Halycon Days

Psst. Read this first, then the last bit.
https://pastebin.com/GzUpVF1W

I'm not cut out for things like 'wrong or right', but what would you folks do in this situation? Would you try and help the hopeless, tragic couple to the bitter end, or would you cut and run in hopes of finding a better solution in the distant stars?

Or, hell, would you just ditch them altogether?

Where would be a good place to get a bunch of NPCs for looking after my properties?

>>54345194
And skullgirls has 100 in a slot. I'm not quite looking for companions, but things like the homunculus maid from Overlord who don't take up a slot at all and just look after my shit.

>>54345378
Just make your own then.

>>54345378
Either DC Occult, Marvel Magic, or Justice League Dark has a demonic butler.

I can't remember which.

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>>54345358
I dunno, Diend...why don't you have a little faith in Decade? He's got a plan, right? I mean, they haven't always worked, but he's pulled through somehow regardless.

>>54345358
Ditch 'em. Shit's gone south, time to look after one's own skin.

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>>54345358

Stick it out.
Personal preference, I'm a sucker for a love story, I suppose

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>>54345358
Save them.

Jumpers! How do all of you feel about Monologues?

Do you hate them or do you love to indulge in them?

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Do you still practice basic fitness or otherwise train your body when many perks make it unnecessary?

>>54345465
Depends on how important the words are. If someone wouldn't "get" the moment without it, I monologue away. If they would, I can keep quiet.

Alright I'm done making my first Jump. Its based on a quest. I'll post it either tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably Tuesday since I'll be done with other stuff by then so I'll have the rest of the week to respond to feedback.

You'll all be nice even though its complete shit right?

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>>54345468
Yes because why the fuck not.

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>>54345468
I have gone out of my way to make all of that instinctual and/or subconscious. I hate having to slog through prereqs to get to the fun part.

>>54345358
I wouldn't bet on continuing and then trying to come back.

If you can't figure it out here, how the heck are you going to figure out an End Jump?
There's no promise anyone's going to make it all the way to the spark, so if they fail shit's whacked yo.
If Decade's the only one holding the group together, then chances are it'll break the second you leave them behind.

>>54345468
Yes.

>>54345480
I'll be gentle, but I can't speak for the rest.

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>>54345468
When I don't need to train I don't. I have better things to do. Like nothing.

>>54345358
>or would you cut and run in hopes of finding a better solution in the distant stars?
>Or, hell, would you just ditch them altogether?
Are you really a Solar, Diend?

>>54345480
People being nice won't help you improve.

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>>54345468
Going outside for a walk or a jog, or even just some exercise is a pretty good way to put your mind together

Jumpers, have you ever made deals, bargains, or pacts with gods, demons, or other spirits? What did you gain from it? What did it cost you?

>>54345468
Yes. It can even be relaxing when you pace yourself and do it correctly. Especially when you can teleport into whatever interesting environs you please.

>>54345468
>still
>implying I do it now
Lol nice one mate.

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>>54345544
Of course. You think becoming a Jumper isn't a dark bargain?

>what did it cost you?
EVERYTHING.

>>54345358
>I'll get back to you after my husband stops trying to breach sodden universe boundaries to come help.

>>"I'M ON MY WAY I SWEARS IT."

>Oh balls he's broken out the Train EVERYBODY MOVE-

>>54345592
>spoiler
No, because that's stupid. Though it could be considered a twilight bargain.

>>54345544
>have you ever made deals...?
I'm a Jumper.

>what did it cost you?
I'm more than twenty thousand years older than when I left. The "me" that would return to earth on death or choosing to return home would not even bear much resemblance to the one that left.

I'm not human in thought or even most of my forms.
Odds are I'd also become rather antsy 10 years after my return - old habits die hard.

Asking again:

Can one acquire more affinities in World Seed? If so, what exactly are the advantages of starting with/ buying one instead of just learning them?

>>54345544
Sure. Making deals with spirits is just part of the job, when you're doing magic. Usually I purchase either exotic ingredients or aid in accomplishing tasks. I don't go for blessings, all the good blessings require long-term commitments that I just can't keep to as a jumper. I'm fairly careful to only deal with reputable spirits, too, so I've never had any terrible price for it like sacrificing a baby or anything like that. But I do often wind up having to go through some difficult task for them, in order to secure their aid. Slay a monster, spread the influence of their cult, acquire a rare object, stuff like that.

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Stop! What are you doing right now?

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>>54345711
>Pic related

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>>54345711

>>54345711

Reading about satellites.

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>>54345711
DANGER'S COMING
LOOMING LARGE

SO WHO'S GONNA MAKE A STAND?

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>>54345711

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>>54345711

>>54345711
Considering whether going mad would make things better in the end, or if it would just seem equally pointless.

>>54345711
Cooking breakfast. Just got done jogging.

>>54345711
Responding to your post.

How do you deal with acquiring items or powers that are available canonically in setting and on the actual jump page? I'm thinking non-unique items (weapons specifically) are available as normal, but aren't insured. Powers and unique items off the table.

Thoughts? I'm writing for VtR, so I want opinions on whether or not diablerie would be worth doing to get more disciplines and skills of if that's something most people think I shouldn't be allowed to do. Obviously I can do whatever I want, but I'm curious.

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>>54345711

Being.

>>54345711
Finally writing up a couple jumps that I've been postponing.

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>>54345711

Trying to decide what to work on now. And procrastinating on everything else.

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>>54345711

>>54345711
Drilling farts quietly into my chair.

>>54345358
>>54345599

>Okay now that I've seen the error of my ways-

>>Ya mean after you crashed so badly you wound up leaving the Dragon-Train in a different timeline where velociraptors became a sapient species.

>I DAMN WELL KNOW WHERE IT IS, HONEY.

>>Do you?

>Y-y- Okay I saw it in the Year 2012 but I'm not sure where it went from there.
>As I was saying, however.
>... Any other solution's not going to work, given the dynamic your motley group has. The most I can honestly say is have faith. Faith and hope.
>I know, I know. Generic answer - one you're prolly used to hearing. Stick with him however. Right now your lynchpin needs support more than anything else.

>>You... are aware their group might not survive even that, right?

>HAVING FAITH.

>>54345828
Val, I was reading something and was wondering which of these interpretations of a line from Because I Admired You from Oreimo is closer to the truth (or if they're both wrong):

>Spending a full day practicing five different sports will have you see results as if you spent a full day practicing with each individual sport, letting you master a great many things at once.

One
>Without Perk: Spend one day practicing five sports: Acquire 1/5th day training in all five.
>With Perk: Spend one day practicing five sports: Acquire one full day training in all five.

Two
>All you are doing is being able to split your attention without the natural negative effects that would come from splitting your attention. More to the point the last sentence states that you DO still need to practice all those different things. You can't just practice one thing and then say that you got the same amount of skill in 9 other things at the same time, you have to actually practice all 10 different things, at the same time, if you want to benefit from learning 10 different things at the same time.

Thoughts? I can see either one, honestly.

>>54345711
Crying because I had to put my dog down

>>54345828
>>54345937
Fucked up the second quote. It should also say

>It literally says you aren't learning faster.

>>54345949
Sorry to hear anon, losing a pet always sucks. Hope things start looking up for you soon.

>>54345711
Baking piecrust cookies.

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>>54345937
I do find the SB arguments cute.

It's option one. It's why it says so several times.

>>54345957
Indeed, because you're not. It's just that you're counting as having spent more time then you really did on the subject, not that your learning rate is faster.

Reaaally, you'd need to be just a total idiot to think otherwise.

>>54345711
I'm reading fate/stay night. Again.

Yeah yeah I know Nika's fateposting again

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>>54345711
I just want to say, kissing while flying is awesome. Though I nearly fell the first few times I did it.

>>54345994
>It's just that you're counting as having spent more time then you really did on the subject, not that your learning rate is faster.
Isn't that pretty much just a semantic difference? Whether you're reducing the time needed to spend learning or multiplying the rate at which you learn, the end result is "you learn things faster".

>need to be a total idiot to think otherwise
That doesn't really seem fair, honestly. There are dozens of arguments like that over here, as well, and misinterpreting such a statement is not really indicative of much else.

>>54345949
[Spoiler]Shit, man. That's rough. For whatever it's worth, my heart goes out to you.[/spoiler]

>>54345468
To stay in shape, no
To get stronger, yes
To perfect my Heavens Slaughtering Fist style, also yes

The Heavens Slaughtering Fist is a style of my own creation that builds upon the various martial arts I have acquired over the course of my chain

>>54345969
Worm_anon, a few days ago some discussion came up about Jumper ages vs main character ages in Worm - specifically how Jumper could not roll an age to match certain main, important or recurring characters. (Notably Skitter, Vista and Dinah.)

The idea was kicked around to possibly offer two different age rolls, one to cover the teenagers and another to cover the rest.

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>>54346061
Semantics can have importance. If you were learning things faster, then you'd do so even if you were only learning one subject faster. Or it might interact with similar abilities in a different way. And then there's how 'learning faster' doesn't fit what it's based on, since the character it was based on is not notable for learning things really fast but for how she balanced learning multiple things at once to a high level despite each normally requiring lots of time on their own. It's quite explicit that said character did not have any talent, hence the reason the semantics make a difference.

I'm just teasing anon.

>>54345711
Playing WoW.
Paladin is my favorite class to play, but Demon Hunter is hella OP.

>>54346027
Now this is a Jumper question.

Jumpers. What was your first time flying?

>>54346096
Alright, fair enough. Though a lot of people like to err on the side of caution, especially when something seems too good to be true. And there /a/ plenty instances when someone adheres to a description as written and gets a lot of shit for "not being more reasonable".

And no big deal.

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>>54346133
Just ask if you're unsure. Always happy to clarify.

>>54346108
First time I ever flew was in Redwall. I was a bird there, and let me tell you, flying for the first time was both amazing and terrifying. To be perfectly honest, I have a fear of heights, so flying scared the shit out of me at first. But I thought to myself, the best way to overcome your fear is face it. And I'm glad I did. It was so worth it.

>>54346096
>>54346133
*/are/ plenty of instances

Dammit.

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I promised Fables perks today, so here they are.

Pedigree (100 CP, Royalty)- You’ve got that royal look. You know what I mean. You’re not just fine; you’re fair. Boy or girl, there’s a pretty good chance that you’ll be the most beautiful person in any room you care to enter.

Duelist (100 CP, Royalty)- Pistols or swords at dawn? Either way, there’s a pretty good chance that you’ll come out on top. Not only are you extremely skilled in the art of dueling, you also possess skill with a variety of gentlemanly weapons, such as the lance, dagger, or rifle. You’re also confident enough in your skills to keep your head in an actual fight, at least metaphorically.

A Romance With The Whole Community (200 CP, Royalty)- Not like that! (Although…) No, instead you have a great skill for examining a community; getting a feel for what the people dislike, their grievances for others and how things are, as well as their wants and needs. You’re also pretty good at baiting out similar answers from others on a more personal level.

Lovable Scamp (200 CP, Royalty)- You’re no common rogue, but on occasion one must act in a manner not entirely befitting one of your status. Fortunately, others seem more willing to forgive or even ignore your more ignoble pursuits so long as you occasionally engage in an act of genuine altruism or heroism. Don’t expect those you’ve outright exploited to be happy with you, though; you can only wrong someone so many times before they start to despise you.

>>54346142
Which is why I did. Thanks for the quick response. Though I've noticed it's mainly an issue when the jumpmakers aren't here to clarify, whether because they're asleep or literally no longer part of this community, or hell even when they're slow to respond to criticism.

>>54346086
Not a bad idea since it'll let people pick whether they want to be Wards/Undersider age or be an actual adult.

I do want to say to keep in mind that Vista and Dinah are by NO means typical though, they're at the far end of the young range and they see far more action than any other parahuman their age would entirely due to the fucked up circumstances in Brockton Bay.

The age range as it stands currently also at it's minimum is only a year older than Taylor at the beginning, which is hardly a big difference.

I'll split them up so people have some more freedom in the fluff of their background, though I don't know if I'll let it dip into Dinah/Vista age ranges. Feels like it clashes with the sort of assumed level of involvement a lot of the perks assume, but that's something for me to ponder as time goes on.

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>>54346166
Charming (400 CP, Royalty)- Being as rich, charismatic, and beautiful as you doubtlessly are, it’s no surprise that you’re no stranger to carnality. Some may think you have supernatural powers of seduction, but the truth is you’re just too damn irresistible. You could seduce someone quite easily over the course of a few hours, and your gentle touch is ecstatic. Naturally, you are skilled in the art of making love.

Warmaster (400 CP, Royalty)- The Art of War might not be as interesting as the Kama Sutra, but it is, arguably, more important. And in any case, a true blue-blood should be skilled at both love and war. You’ve got a great knack for organizing others before and in battle; setting up defenses, devising strategies, teaching the untrained masses how to shoot a gun or swing a weapon, as well as when to use the time honored stratagem of when to retreat.

>>54346174
Just something that's part of the way the concept works really. Good usually has some bad, y'know?

>>54346142
Hey Val, I have a question about being a Servant. So, if I remember right, don't the Servants rely on the Grail in order to continue existing? Athuria destroying the Grail caused her to fade, so I was wondering if the same thing would happen if I destroyed the Grail myself. That thing is just bad news with Angira Mainyu latched on to it.

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>>54346182
Silver Tongue (600 CP, Royalty)- There’s charisma, and then there’s you. Talking for you is as natural as breathing; your conversation skills and mastery of dialogue and speechcraft lets you talk circles around others. There’s very little you couldn’t convince someone of, given enough time. Your wit is as sharp as the Vorpal Sword, if not sharper, and your acting skills are nothing short of legendary.

Ruling Class (600 CP, Royalty)- Down to brass tacks, then? In spite of any apparent blustering or buffoonery on your part, you’re actually very good at running the show, be it in a village, kingdom, or an empire spanning multiple worlds. Making sure that your territory is taken care of is a simple matter for you, either through taking a direct hand in things or by delegating to underlings. So long as you’re willing to care for your lands and your people, you will be able to do so, no matter how large or bloated your influence might become.

>>54346191
It's possible for a Master to continue to support their Servants' existence even without the Grail, it just takes a lot more energy. Rin was able to manage it without too huge a strain, so it's certainly possible even if you only have the freebie circuits, albeit that'd probably leave you with no magical energy for yourself to use, at least through/via those 20 circuits.

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Sometimes I dream that I die disowned, alone, and broken. My mind fallen to pieces, a smoking gun in my hand, blood streaming down my face. My awards revoked, my certificates burned, my accounts deleted, my hard drives wiped.

Every record of my existence destroyed by the very people who would have mourned me otherwise.

How often do you take "everyone hates you" Drawbacks, /jc/?

>>54346207
Oh, okay, thanks Val.

>>54346176
>dip into Dinah/Vista age ranges
To be honest, I paid the 50cp to drop to Dinah's age range, so that my Jumper wouldn't seem out of place to derail a certain snake's plans.

In fact, it was my remark about how the age roll didn't allow that on its own, or even to match the main protagonist of the series, that started the discussion.

>>54346235
Fair enough, nothing wrong with people choosing to do so if they drop the 50cp.

I just kinda prefer that it avoid going that low completely at random, feels a bit off to me personally.

>>54346207
It's also possible to summon, and support, a Servant before the grail system switches into war mode - Illyasviel did so with Berserker. How much of that was from her status in the ritual, I don't know.

>>54346061
Most arguments over there come from people arguing over which perk is the best even though no one asked for a competition. They're idiots just for that alone

>>54346209
Only when my intention was to go to war with the entire world anyway. At that point I figure I might as well let them all know what's coming right out of the gate.

>>54346277
Eh, I mainly just tune them out, but I can't recall that happening too often. And at least in this case, it was someone critiquing a combo interaction brought up by someone else. What's really annoying is when someone brings up a drawback and screams something like, "WHAT. THE FUCK. IS THIS?! What a waste of bits!" Or something something trap option.

>>54346320
Every time I read the words "drawback" and "trap" in relation to each other... I think "No shit, it's a drawback."

>>54346320
I always found the premade builds thing to be the funniest. Why even bother with a chain at that point. Not only are people making jumps for you, they're even making builds for you.

>>54346334
But anon, if you can't take max drawbacks for no real inconvenience, isn't that an intrinsic flaw in the jump?

I'm not serious, just in case that didn't come through.

>>54346334
True, though it is possible for drawbacks to be imbalanced. There's some more leeway there, but it's possible.

>>54346345
To be fair, we have builds too. The difference is, no one prescribes that their build is some kind of "strategy guide" for "cheesing" the jump the hardest. That's all private, here.

>>54346345
Because they have people arguing that anything besides an optimal build is unrealistic. SB hates large jumps for that reason because finding an optimal build for a large jump takes even more time.

>>54346378
The weirdest thing is that, given the jumpmakers are rarely on SB where they do those 'critiques', it results in them just whinging into thin air over and over.

I know there's no Stand Supplement, so can get someone to see if this is a valid/decent Stand set-up. I'm not too familiar with Jojo, but it came up on random roll for me.

STAND
Convoy
Statistics
Destructive Power: C
Speed: A
Range: B
Durability: C
Precision: D
Developmental Potential: A

Basic Ability: Crash The Gate - Creates a rectangular area, up to 8 by 4 by 2 meters, which causes objects within it to accelerate towards one narrow end. Can include the user.

Awakened Ability: Put The Hammer Down - Convoy manifests a massive sledgehammer. Anything struck by the hammer can have its weight cut in four or quadrupled with each blow.

Requiem Ability: Crash The Gate can create half a dozen fields, which can overlap, each putting pressure on whatever is in them. If two are directed in overlapping but opposite directions, they will crush the object caught flat.

Quick question. Writing up Legendary item purchases for shit like Thunderfury, Shadowmourne, Frostmourne, that kinda shit. You want in-depth / history + capability write-ups, or just simple summaries?

>>54346419
I'm fine with simple summaries, personally.

>>54346277
Actually, most of them are morality argument/how you're playing wrong. Or arguments on how to beat a certain character/accomplish a specific goal in-setting.

t. SBer.

>>54346419
You mean [THUNDERFURY: BLESSED BLADE OF THE WINDSEEKER] ?

Also totally in depth stuff

>>54346419
I don't think there's really a need for in depth stuff, especially since you're already kind of bloated with the huge number of artefacts. A summary of the history and it's abilities would be better then entire pages on each one. Enough to explain it but otherwise people can research themselves.

>>54346376
Obviously. What they should do is just give you the 1k + drawback limit without bothering with the actual drawbacks. It'd be more immersive!

>>54346378
>imbalanced
I agree, but the solution isn't to shout to the heavens about how it's a trap. It's to say "Hey, Worm_Anon (or other jumpmaker), I think drawback X is too harsh/doesn't give enough cp/etc.. and here's why."
Alternatively, just don't take it.

And, of course, some of them really are just there for shits and giggles.

>>54346419
>ou want in-depth / history + capability write-ups
Please. I like this kind of shit.

>>54346404
It's not that weird. Dirge actually proved it when he went over there. Before he went over there SB loved to shit on his jumps just like they do with other jumpmakers. Now they just pretend the jumps don't exist and try to ignore when he puts up a new jump. SB follows the invalid jump meme even harder than the shitposters here do.

>>54346474
...
Why does anybody over there produce content, again?

>>54346435
>What they should do is just give you the 1k + drawback limit without bothering with the actual drawbacks. It'd be more immersive!
cliff's Creative Mode you mean?

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>>54346489

Dunno.

>>54346489
After a point, it's less "producing content for other people" and more "make it for myself and like one other person."

>>54346489
They don't have that many people actively producing content, and ASA is probably the only reason Dirge is over there.

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>>54346474
Haha. That really true? That's hilarious. I guess everyone wearing a name really does make em unable to talk straight.

>>54346474
I'm not quite sure how relevant that is. They shit on their own regularly, have shit on Dirge recently, and occasionally his jumps still (rarer).

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>>54345358
...it's one of the hard questions, then.

The human in me would say that sometimes things just aren't meant to last, and it's nobody's fault. That you have to prioritise whatever can last lest you lose twice over. From personal experience, I'd know somtimes you have to let go and never look back, because the alternate is both of you hurting even more.

Of all things, it's the Primordial in me that would say if they truly mattered, then you shouldn't give up on them. That the world's a colder place without daring and loyalty.

As a whole? I'd say context would matter. A lot.

Also I recall the "arrangements" on Zendikar were Emrakul assuming direct control of someone else's faulty spell to seal herself in the moon, did you have tea with an Eldrazi a few jumps ago or something?

>>54345465
If I'm ever doing one, I'm either giving a TED talk or stalling for something else to happen.

>>54345468
Bones are brittle. The flesh is weak. Why go through the motions?

Although beacuse of my inner evolutionary cycle, I AM in a constant state of doing soul-squats, deadlifts and boxercise. Pacing myself with some psychic-Crossfit of course.

>>54345544
I'm all about networking! One of my signature deals is soul flipping: Making a soul imperishable, and then loaning it to different beings in such a way that at the end of the deal-the mortagagee is relatively intact, and walks away with some blessings. So everyone's happy.

And since I myself have plenty of soul to go round, I've cut some deals with aspects of reality. Samsara, the Beyond-the one with the Light's gonna be trickier than I thought, since it apparently can't be powered with zealotry properly anymore.

The trick is to word the exclusivity clauses VERY carefully.

>>54346512
...que? I thought it was the other way around.

>>54345711
Enjoying the rain. Wondering how mosquitoes get into my room when literally EVERY aperture is airtight.

>>54346513
Considering Dirge doesn't give a shit about anyone but ASA taking his jumps I'm pretty sure he purposely went over there just so people like Brellin and Record would shut up.

>>54346507
It's literally only one jumpmaker that does that.

>>54346419
Did you know two of your drawbacks turn an entire jump into a death-trap?

Record's been crowing about it.

>>54346548
I wouldn't be so sure.

>>54346474
I mean, you can literally see that isn't true just by recalling Heavens' experiences there. I mean, I know the "SB is the root of all evil" meme is a thing here, but they have enough flaws that you don't need to make shit up.

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>>54346438
Hrm. People kinda torn on it, will try to find some sort of decent middle-ground.

Also jesus christ Legion did you need to make Legendaries so fucking common.

I SHOULDN'T EVEN BE SAYING THOSE TWO WORDS IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

>>54346520
They shit on Dirge because he picks fights with them over stupid things, not because of anything he makes. The last time I've seen anyone other than ASA bring up one of his jump was for his remake of FF10 and that wasn't to shit on him, Mist just didn't know that Brutus's copy of the jump was outdated.

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>import the depressed companion you just picked up directly into all the optimism perks

Was it right of me to do this?

>>54346209
Never...I want people to like me.

Unless it's getting the villains to hate me.

>>54346577
I wouldn't consider Heavens a SB regular by a longshot.

>>54346608
Let me guess.

THE RING

>>54346633
And dirge posts maybe once a week a most. Or a few times, but usually in a single session. He's not much more of a "regular".

>>54346647
He's a regular because he doesn't post anywhere else, and that place is the only place he shows up. Heavens is on here far more than he's on SB. Even Blade and Brellin go for days without posting sometimes, and they're all definitely regulars.

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>>54346209
A lot less than I used to. Antagonism's long proven to be a poor social cohesion mechanism in the long term.

>>54346108
Let's see-air sprinting up a skyscraper just to see if I could, Gar shouting at me to get down and wear my helmet while I was shouting back about Conduit regeneration. Making it halfway up the building before the DUP goons opened fire, and hyperventilating while sprinting to the satellite dish. Tripping on a ricochetting bullet RIGHT before I could do the digital teleport thing, going into a swan dive, barely pulling into a spiral soaring around the building. And looking down to see I'd accidentally invented an aerial bombardment move, in a panic. Gar was hiding in a manhole. The goons were grounded. Literally, pixel swords sticking out of joints and things.

In short, I was lucky I only threw up when I landed again.

>>54346622
Depends on the perks and companion, I'd imagine.

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>>54346108
On the back of my new best friend.

She's been there for me since the beginning. Before I had anyone else, there she was. The only thing standing between me and certain death.

Or do you mean flying on my own power?

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>>54346526
It was revealed a while ago that 'Yuki' is basically a very confused and paradoxical fragment of one of the two slain Eldrazi, so it stands to reason a similar seal would work on her.

Also, being sealed into a moon ties in nicely with recurring motifs and themes in this chain. And memes.
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>>54345599
Lots of romantics here, lots of idealists...and I think I see one or two of you daring me to see what we can do with this mess, huh? Only one of you flat-out told me to cut and run, with a dual opinion from the snappy dresser.

Yeah. I guess it wasn't really much of a choice when it came down to it, huh?

I'll let you all know how this trainwreck goes. If I don't come back...well, give my hat to someone it looks really cute on.

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So I need some ideas for Noble Phantasms. I'm summoning Charlemagne as my Servant (because dude was baller) as a Saber, so the main NP will obviously be Joyeuse, his sword. One of the legends around it was that it was forged from a piece of the Spear of Destiny/Lance of Longinus, so that's what I'm running with. Any ideas what abilities that should actually entail? Is the Lance a thing in the Nasuverse? I feel like it should be.

Also ideas for other NPs are appreciated.

>>54346667
I mean, he still posts there and check in often enough that it'd be hard to forget he exists, and they know he's an active member here. Which is forgetting that there's a general air of hostility among their own members (regulars, even, often). I'm just saying, the whole idea seems suspect when you consider it for even a minute.

>>54346740
Good luck Diend, if you see that Cat Wizard fuck tell him I still want the fifty bucks he owes me for getting Taco Tuesday back after he got us kicked out.

>>54346751
Well the more reasonable explanation is that everyone ignores Dirge's jumps, but that's bound to get someone's panties in a knot because they'll see it as shitposting for some reason.

Doesn't change how vocal people like Brellin and Record were about his jumps before suddenly pretending like nothing happened once he went over there, but then people only started vocally hating his jumps here once he left, so maybe we all just hated the jumps but didn't feel motivated enough to shit on them while he was around to defend them.

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>>54346740
I remembered that bit and that other bit makes sense, just wondering where you learned the seal from? Like, was it a big thing you and she had to dig out of her memory or did Yuki just mention it to you one day over coffee?

>>54346742
Powerful anti-Divinity/curse breaking effects, as an incarnation of Jesus' sacrifice? A buff to Baptism Rite-like abilities, and rank down against enemies of Rome or pagans? A themed blast attack since like Excalibur, it COULD be construed as a big blow against the Age of the Gods since it. You know. Shanked Jesus.

I don't think the Lance is a thing yet, but there are allusions to Mother Harlot/the Antichrist in Extra. It probably is. You can probably handwave it as a cultural assumption given form or something, though.

Other than that-deployable, advantageous Territory over regions he's conquered?

>>54346811
People call it shitposting because you act like you're speaking for everyone with this "We" business when many people have been really direct and vocal about liking the Jumps. The most common types of people to hate on Dirge are also the ones who are very visibly shitposting. If you're a new guy buying into the dirge hate memes, get your facts straight. If not, go to bed already shithead.

>>54346622
No, you essentially mind raped them and replaced the original person with someone new with a different personality.

>>54346742
He did a lot with church hymns, so maybe some sort of battle hymn? Or something with the Nicean Creed or those other councils?

As far as I know, the Holy Spear hasn't been featured in the Nasuverse yet. Anti-Divinity would make sense, the only legend I know about the sword is that it was lost and returned by a servant. Maybe he can grant it to a follower, boosting them to Servant level temporarily?

>>54346853
When Decade performed Heaven's Feel in Zendikar, it involved both extensive study of the Eldrazi and the leylines involved in their sealing and then destruction, along with the...Lodestones, right? The idea was to create an identical resonance to what Yuki had, in order to fulfill his promise. She advised on this act, so that all together is where the knowledge came from.

>>54346860
No one is mentioning anything about a "we" you asshat, so get your head out of your hole. Were you even around when Brellin and Anaja tore the jumps a new one and got him to start remaking jumps entirely?

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>>54346872
Anon, they clearly weren't always depressed. Depression isn't something you're born with. It's an illness.

Besides, if anon is who I think he is, he's saving an alternate version of himself from going to Hell.

What are your go to martial arts jumpers?
Do you prefer mundane styles like Karate and Muay Thai, or the more outrageous like Ansatsuken and Hokuto Shinken, how about the esoteric Buddha's Palm or the post human Panzer Kunst?

>>54347054
Depression is part of your personality and even your brain structure, and should be treated through actual therapy and changes of mind over time, and not mindraped out of existence by deleting the original person.

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>>54347055
A Weirdly Specific Martial Art. It goes kind of like gif related sometimes. Also a little Aikido and some 52 Hand Blocks.

>>54347055
I use martial arts based on the Celestial Beasts, with the White Tiger being my most used style.

>>54347086
Speaking as someone dealing with some pretty nasty depression that's only kept in check with medication: No. You're wrong. Edit the brain, it is the best way.

>>54347023
>but then people only started vocally hating his jumps here once he left, so maybe we all just hated the jumps but didn't feel motivated enough to shit on them while he was around to defend them.
>so maybe we all just hated the jumps but didn't feel motivated enough to shit on them while he was around to defend them.
>so maybe we all just hated the jumps
>we
>all

>>54347054
>>54347086
>>54347112
How about just ask the person what they want?

>>54347119
Take it from someone who managed to overcome depression, that won't necessarily work. They might say they don't want the perks even when they want them, because they feel like they don't deserve them.

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Small update. I finished the drawbacks section and updated a little the items.

>>54347119
Depressed people often do not have the capacity to seek help on their own. They'll thank you afterwards.

>>54346622
Get them a toggle perk first.

>>54347112
You're not the only person with depression. I certainly don't want to be mindraped into happiness and positivity.

>>54347129
>>54347126
Then use some magic bullshit to check. This is a simple thing guys.

>>54347129
That's some grade A abuser logic right there anon.

>>54347150
Mind reading would work.

>>54347116
Great to know that you read everything literally and can't read into any nuances. 10/10 reading comprehension. Can you be trying any harder to push your dirgeposting agenda?

>>54347055
When the time comes for fisticuffs I rely on Savate, with some backup from Aikido.

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>>54345711
Just finished doing my third jump, which was Redwall.

Went with a hero rat with amnesia.

>>54347146
Then you're an idiot. There is nothing wrong with needing external aid to combat depression. You can't expect someone's mental state to just miraculously improve just because they're trying to feel better. It's like physical therapy after spinal trauma. You hope that you'll be able to walk again just through working hard at it. But in a lot of cases you're going to need surgery to repair the nerves.

>>54347150
Check what? That they're depressed and need help? That's already a given in this scenario.

>>54347151
Not really, since we're talking about giving them medical help. This isn't a case of not liking their personality, it is a case of healing their sickness. Remember, they're suffering too, even if they can't express it.

>>54347192
>Then you're an idiot.
I'm an idiot for not wanting myself to be destroyed and replaced with someone else like that? No, I'd simply rather have, you know, actual help dealing with my issues so that I overcome them rather than to have my brain torn apart and reordered.

>>54347127
You might have answered this before but what happens if we land in the Moon Server and buy one of the properties? Does it still appear in this no-mans land?

>>54347202
>I'm an idiot for not wanting myself to be destroyed and replaced with someone else like that?
No, you're an idiot for holding onto your pain as a key aspect of who you are. For defining yourself by your suffering, so that a version of you who doesn't have it can't possibly be the real you. You're never going to get better thinking like that, anon. But oh, of course, you're just going to "deal with your issues", ignoring the fact that depression is a neurological disorder and that therapy without treating that underlying disorder is of minimal effectiveness. And even if it somehow did work, if you're a miracle case that can heal yourself just by really wanting to, how is that any different from getting your mind edited? You're still a different person then than you are now. Is it just because it's slower? Is that all continuity of consciousness is to you, things changing slowly? I guess it has to be, because you claim to not be able to recognize anything of yourself a fast-healed version, so you continuity can't be based in hopes and dreams and ideals and loves and hates and all the parts of you that aren't your pain. It's really, really sad that it's so central to who you are, anon. I'm not even doing a mocking pity thing, here, I really am sad for you. And I don't know how it's possible to help you, given what you've said. I hope you're okay, and things don't end poorly for you.

>>54347228
Wow, you're a massive cunt. Ending a comment with nice words doesn't stop the rest of it making you out to be a prick.

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>>54347211

Your property would be the one of the next place you go. Like, if you go to susukino after purchasing Cathedral and landing in the moon then you would have the Cathedral of Susukino at your name.

Does that makes any sense?

>>54347242
Yep, basically once you leave the moon your property is already at your destination.

>>54347055
I imagine like most Jumpers I've developed my own.
I started out my adventure already knowing one style of kung fu, and quickly added MCMAP in Pokemon. Further additions borrow heavily from "armored" martial arts like kampfringen and the various Japanese grappling arts - akido, jujitsu etc.
Then I started adding supernatural martial arts, beginning with Hyuga Gentle Fist, and things got crazy when I blended them all together.

>>54347235
It's more that I started out the post really angry with that anon for saying such stupid things, but as I went on I started remembering how awful it is to be trapped in the grips of depression and convinced that you have to fight your way out yourself instead of accepting aid. And that made me really sad, and I started remembering that it's not their fault they're thinking something so stupid, their brain is broken. Just like mine is, and the fact that I've got pills to make it a little less broken doesn't mean I shouldn't extend empathy towards them. And the more I type the more maudlin I get. I'm sorry for being angry at you, depressed anon. I shouldn't have said such harsh words. I hope you succeed at fixing yourself.

>>54347228
That it's a part of who someone is, is a fact. That's all it is. I've stressed that changing this isn't what I'm opposed to. Rather, what I'm opposed to is this sudden and forced rewriting of the brain. What I'm defending is the concept of self-determination, the ability to choose, and the slow change brought about through more conventional therapy and medication, rather than using some god-power to alter who someone is.

>>54347242
Is there any chance of you adding in a +0 drawback to start as a beta-tester?

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What jumps have Evil Laughter perks? Practice makes perfect is all well and good, but if I'm going to be a proper Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain I need a good evil laugh.

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>>54347299

I will consider it if you give me a good reason to put that.

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>>54347283
It didn't bother me, it's all scabs and scars as far as online interaction goes. At least with random people.

I'm pretty much fucked though as far as a cure goes. Can't get a psychologist to help me get a psychiatrist appointment to save my life, and all I've gotten is great advice like "You need a new girlfriend and your college degree, anon" which is so obvious it's insulting.

>>54347284
I really don't see a difference, anon. I'm sorry, I'm trying to understand your position, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Why should the rate at which you change the brain determine whether the change counts as "real"? You're still changed, either way. It's not like you'd even be more aware of the process with the slow change, either, because it's hard to see gradual changes like that. And why should it being imposed on you mean that it's wrong? The depression itself was imposed on you. This is just fixing it, putting you back to the way you're supposed to be. Is it just that you worry about the implications of someone unethical using mind rewriting for their own purposes? Because that's not really applicable in this scenario, it's specifically an anti-depression perk.

>>54347315
Was thinking that having a veteran player have to actually build their character up during that time was a neat idea.

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>>54347337

You can have that with normal Veteran origin, silly anon.

>>54347350
Don't we start on the day the catastrophe happens though?

>>54347332
Here's the thing, anon wasn't simply removing their companion's depression, they were giving them a bunch of optimism perks. That's essentially changing their personality through fiat.

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>>54347313
I know Swat Kats has one, and there's others but I can't remember which right now.

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>>54347375

True. I will think into a +0 that let's you start before. Would that be alright?

>>54347392
It would be thank you.

>>54347313
There's a perk for that in Batman: The Animated Series.

/shill

>>54347328
Almost as insulting as being told "you need to get over it."

>>54347127
Is the Warehouse a valid "cathedral" for Call to Home?

How much does your "power-level" exceed other Landers as a Precursor? What kind of things would be able to "fool your senses"?

Does you lose anything in the transfer with Body Snatcher, besides the obvious biologically-based abilities? Is a stolen body effectively your own until you make another transfer?

>In other worlds, this knowledge expands to enclose the unpublished of wherever you are.
What does this mean? Rephrase?

>raising your level to the current maximum of 100 but also giving you all the powers and skills that comes with the title
Does this boost your Class level, or are these levels separate? Or are they neither, where it's not boosted, yet still prevents you from leveling in that area?'

>Scary Shiny Glasses
I'd recommend switching the Elder Tale item with these. Something that provides a "moderate boost in intelligence and wisdom" seems like it's inherently worth a bit more than a mundane copy of a game, or at least more than 100 CP.

>>54347558
Basically, and this was from a psychologist too, which was baffling to me.

>>54347596
The psychologist might have just been giving the advice as a way to reinforce your thoughts on your goals to help give you something focus on and work towards as opposed to "Hey, have you tried this thing called a girlfriend? You might like one of those things.".

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>>54347570
>Is the Warehouse a valid "cathedral" for Call to Home?

Yes.


>How much does your "power-level" exceed other Landers as a Precursor? What kind of things would be able to "fool your senses"?

You can ass-rape any adventurer in a 1-on-1, that much of stat differences
Your sense could get fooled by an overskill like the one Nureha has, but only partially.


>Does you lose anything in the transfer with Body Snatcher, besides the obvious biologically-based abilities? Is a stolen body effectively your own until you make another transfer?

No. Yes.


>What does this mean? Rephrase?

Extra knowledge of the creatures and such of the world you are currently in. It was a little buff, from when that perk was 200. I will take that out.


>Does this boost your Class level, or are these levels separate? Or are they neither, where it's not boosted, yet still prevents you from leveling in that area?'

Your level is your class level, you are thinking in sub-class levels.


>I'd recommend switching the Elder Tale item with these. Something that provides a "moderate boost in intelligence and wisdom" seems like it's inherently worth a bit more than a mundane copy of a game, or at least more than 100 CP.

Alright.

>>54347635
He seemed pretty focused on it. And really, having another girlfriend was never my goal so I think it was just typical old man thinking, where back his day being shacked up was the standard state of affairs.

>>54347668
Yeah, that's weird then. That seems like a possibility if he had some weird fixation.

>>54347652
>Yes.
Does it allow you to transport to other cathedrals from a cathedral, if you wait long enough? From the Warehouse even? I'm reminded of an anon who trapped himself in his Warehouse.

>Your sense could get fooled by an overskill like the one Nureha has, but only partially.
What is that, exactly? Also, that might be a good thing to include in the description.

Okay.

Ah, k.

Seems good.

>>54347652
Do the generic options get a class and/or sub-class?

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>>54347715
>Does it allow you to transport to other cathedrals from a cathedral, if you wait long enough?

No unless you off yourself everytime.


>What is that, exactly? Also, that might be a good thing to include in the description.

Her overskill is overlay, can make her appear like a lander, with stats an everything.
I talked about overskills in the notes at the end.

>>54347738
Ment companion wise.

>>54347702
Either way, I basically gave up on psychologists. All of them drag their heels on pills, and no amount of venting was going to help without that so whatever.

>>54346474
>People ignore Dirge's jumps on SB

That's why they regularly ask him stuff about his jumps and he gets critique aside from ASA when they are posted?

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>>54347747

Yes, I will put that on notes.

Are there any perks that would let a group of magic casters share the costs for a ritual among them? Say one person pays the mana, one gives up memories, another loses an arm etc?

>>54347751
You mean like they did when he posted stuff here?

>inb4 no one ever did because we all know Dirge tried his best to make it as difficult as possible to do what he wanted, something he can't do on SB

>>54347773
Bot companions are supposed to be player-made characters right? Could it be made to be one of the jumper's alt accounts?

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>>54347774
Full Circle from Dragon Age: Inquisition is all about making combo spells, I'm sure efficiency could be part and parcel of how you could mod it. There's also Thrifty Thaumaturge and Hasty Hexer from Young Justice

>>54346086
>Worm
I would like to be a two years old supervillain: paying my homage to desolation-in-light man

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>>54347847

Yeah, sure, why not.

>>54347863
>desolation-in-light man
>not sacrificing to the space worm of death and rebirth you glimpsed on the day you were triggered
>you'll teach your parents not to spank you, if it's the last thing you do

>>54347751
>That's why they regularly ask him stuff about his jumps
Last I checked he didn't make Worm or Light of Terra, and that's pretty much what SB has been focused on for the last week or so. Also not sure what "critique" you think SB gives. The only person I've ever seen bother with that was SJ-Chan.

>>54347816
It was a lot easier to point out the problems with his jumps on SB when he wasn't on SB. That and it's fun to just take a piss on his jumps every now and then.

>>54345664
So, with further research, it seems they can be learned. But, as another question in case Aionon somehow returns while I'm sleeping: Does the Gold Market summon/acquire items from the setting, or does it create them?

>>54347952
Oh fuck off, don't even pretend shitposting is (((fun))) to anyone with an actual life.

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Took much too long for this one to come out but it's done at last.

Chickadees, I present to you- Nier: Automata.

So, shouldn't Overlord be removed from the drive, as recompense for driving off Dirge?

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>>54347996

YAY!
Thanks Val !

>>54348005
Dirge drove himself off. It wasn't anyone's fault but himself. If he wants recompense he should get his own jumps deleted.

>>54348017
>>54348005
You are both, in your own ways, completely worthless and clearly projecting yourselves on somebody you know can never argue back. Because you are also cowards who break at the slightest bad word against you.

>>54347996
Does Not Outdated Yet apply to fleshy bits as well?

>>54347963
This is the only place that would considered it shitposting. Jumpmakers aren't so sacred on SB that taking a piss on their jumps is anything bad and frankly other jumpmakers have had it far worse.

>>54348048
Keep telling yourself that, honey. This is why people don't talk to you in real life.

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>>54347996

On one hand, I know that Nier =/= Nier Automata and that I probably wouldn't necessarily get the same(for better or worse) experience from it

On the other hand, a damn good jump of a nier property is appreciated and I'll totally buy in on the 2B train

>>54348040
Mostly, yeah. You'll still age but you won't rip an arm off by punching something too hard.

>>54348066
Nier is coming next anyway.

>>54348064
SBers like Record and cliff would probably disagree with you there.

>>54347996
Is Glittering Gold a straight-up durability multiplier?

>>54347996
We are as gods!

>>54348132
Pretty much. For your physical base anyway.

>>54347996
Okay, I was under the impression that Nier was just the washed-up, post-apocalyptic remains of a mid-tier fantasy setting. Is this not the case? Because there's some damn strong shit in here, like a few of the capstones and some of the 400 CP perks, especially for 400 CP.

>>54348160
It's definitely not fantasy anymore. It's effectively a science fiction war between two one gigantic faction of machines and another very strong small task force of Androids.

And there is actually some surprisingly crazy stuff. The planet actually gets blown up in one ending after Emil and all his clones explode.

>>54347055

I think "all of them" is cheating but I'd say the one that gets used the most in day to day combat is an extremely enhanced version of Drunken Fist as per the Wuxia jump

It got bolstered by Chi use, just general body honing, and various improvised weapons/combat perks

The main focus is to more or less fight your opponent not with your body, but with the world

If your opponent focuses on you and not the situation they'll be defeated, as your focus is to understand your place in the situation around you and maneuver them to be defeated by that instead of by your own effort. It's also easier and good for lazy people.

That's not to say this is my only style of fighting, but it's the one that's been most used for being really easy to get mentally prepared for as well as execute on the fly

>>54348107
Did you just imply the spacebattles community is the only one that can stand your behavior?

I'm not sure whether to acknowledge that was pretty inventive reverse psychology bait, or mock you.

>>54348160
>Okay, I was under the impression that Nier was just the washed-up, post-apocalyptic remains of a mid-tier fantasy setting. Is this not the case?
Oh, very much no. It's...well, the plot is really convoluted. It was never really a fantasy setting, though, even if magic existed briefly. Yes, briefly, it's complicated. But yeah, it just looked like a fantasy setting for a while during the plot of the first game. Nier: Automata is set nine thousand years after that, so things have changed even more. There was a war with aliens at some point, so the tech level had to progress in order for there to be anything left.

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>>54348160
Nier is the washed-up, post-apocalyptic remains of our world after someone from a fantasy world got teleported to ours with a giant pregnant woman and the JSDF fucked everything up by killing them both, spreading around an interdimensional monster plague.

>>54348221
And then Nier: Automata is set another nine thousand years later, after humanity has been resurrected and another like...three apocalypses have all happened. The Nier universe is a terrifying place. That's why Ending F of Drakengard is the Bad Ending, because every other ending for that game leads to Nier not happening.

>>54348264
>after humanity has been resurrected

You mean after the ressurect humanity plan failed, right?

>>54348299
It worked for a little bit...

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>>54348214
>>54348221
>>54348264

...huh? Could someone please explain?

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>>54346506
I will take them with me. They are to cute to not take them with me. Illya, Miyu and Kuro will become companions.

>>54348158
>physical base
What exactly is that? Is it body-mod, or after relevant perks? So... I'm thinking something like boosted Muscle Power from Street Fighter or Barbadium Body would be included, but the effects of Divine Form wouldn't? Is that about right?

>>54348318
Drakengard universe gets attacked by giant eldritch baby gods who want to destroy it. Their leader is a giant pregnant woman. At the moment Caim and Angel strike her down, she rips open a portal to our reality and they both get sucked into it with her. Then the JSDF sees them and kills Caim and Angel. Somehow, killing them fucks up whatever death cure the pregnant woman had for them, and her body ends up dissolving into a dust that gets spread all around the world, which infects people, killing them and creating monsters. Even Caim's corpse is resurrected as an unstoppable genocide machine and the monster's leader.

>>54348326
Kuro deserves to be destroyed.

>>54348332
Just your physical durability, not any magical spells enhancing it. So relevant perks would work as long as that durability is a permanent thing. So basically, yeah, those examples are right. Barbadium works but Divine Form being temporary and based on your energy, won't be counted.

>>54347996
>The Terminal Perk line

Yay. More AI perks.

>>54348318
Okay, so in one of the endings of the first Drakengard, the final boss and the protagonists get teleported to modern day Tokyo. This isn't as weird as it sounds, later games would reveal that Drakengard is in an alternate timeline of our world that got invaded (or maybe "infected" would be a better word) by magical creatures, rather than a completely different universe. So it makes sense you could hop timelines again. Anyways, these leads to the infection of magic spreading to our world. It goes badly, the people who aren't killed by the laws of physics breaking down wind up turning into giant monsters of living salt. So, to save the world and the human species, a plan is started: Separate everyone's souls from their bodies to preserve their identities, then create a bunch of non-sapient superhumans to fight the infection, clean up all the magic, and toss it away into another dimension. Then when it's all clear our souls can be installed in the drone bodies, and we'll all be fine. Well, it doesn't go so simply, the drones wind up malfunctioning and developing sapience. This leads to the conflict of the first Nier, where the Gestalts really want to be embodied again, but to do that would wind up killing the Replicants patterned after them during the merger. It doesn't end well, the human race kind of goes extinct. Major downer ending. I haven't played Automata, though a friend of mine has so I guess I should ask him, as such I'm not entirely certain what happened in the nine millennia afterwards so that civilization was rebuilt (and then destroyed again) and the Androids exist.

Is there any way for you to become an actual Magi in the Magi jump, or are you destined to forever stay a scrub-level sorcerer?
Also, what happens if you take King Candidate as a sorcerer? Did some Magi just say "fuck the rules, ima make a magician the king"?

>>54348462
>fuck the rules, ima make a magician the king

Didn't that actually happen that one time?

>>54348377
Why you would want to kill her? She is a little lewd, but is it bad ?

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Anyway, glad it's being received well. If you have any concerns or feedback or think something's too good or too bad, please go ahead and share so we can talk about it.

Was going to announce my next claim, almost certain it's the last one I'll do for a few months given I have plenty to work on, but I think I'll hold off till tomorrow.

>>54348475
No clue, I didn't read the manga. That's why I asked.

>>54348476
>She is a little lewd
Extremely lewd, and forces the other two into lewd situations when they don't want that.

>>54347996
>Brother Mine
>Mori Jumper

Val, do you have something with loyal clones of yourself? Not that I'm complaining.

>>54348485
It looks pretty solid. Not much more to say honestly, a few things (like the drop-in and Yorha capstone) seem a little meta but I get what they're based on so they're probably alright. Though about the Terminal capstone-is it unique? I seem to remember the Terminals did use their molecular manipulation to do stuff in realspace for a bit.

Last thing I can think to say is that Former Friend and Unfair Treatment, and Not My War and I Bring Peace With Me seem to overlap a little. I can't blame you based on the driving conflicts and who they're clearly based on, but if you wanna polish it I'd suggest making them a little more distinct than covering the same broad effects.

Noticed it seems to be a recurring trend in your jumps that if you conquer enough, you get to cart around a whole company/civilisation. More of an observation than a real critique.

But yeah, overall looks solid to the point I'm reduced to nitpicks.

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>>54348530
I do indeed find myself to be incredibly attractive. Ego? What's that?

But no, I just really like clone or sibling options. Having a twin would be totally awesome. Not going to force them where they don't fit but if there's a reason, zI'll put them in. Actually planning to eventually try out a family oriented sort of chain, once I'm not working on anything.

>>54348557
Drop In is intentionally a little meta but which YoRHa capstone are you referring to?

The Terminal one is a bit of a stretch, it goes beyond the extent they do but it is still based on what they do.

Oh, thanks for that. I'll try and see if I can separate them a bit more.

More a result of the jumps really, since I've been doing a lot of stuff focused on armies and war recently.

>>54348583
My bad-meant Kill Your Heart for Executioner. I get it, it's 2B's big shtick and they're aren't any other E models to compare. Just stood out somewhat, is all.

Fair enough.

Makes sense.

>>54348630
Ah, yeah. Fair.

Probably leaving Former Friend and Unfair Treatment as is, they're similar but have different focuses. Going to change Not My War to be less about lowering tensions/hostility and have a better effect with alliances of conveniences of mutual benefit.

>>54347996
Some things to note

E models are a separate model. 2B was an E pretending to be a B and to me you seem to be suggesting that all Bs are really Es

From the extend materials it seems like the Androids still control like a third of the surface and the Resistance are the Andriods who are operating in Machine controlled territory. .

White was apparently a Resistance member who was given command of YoRHa. She's just a regular Android model not a YoRHa one. I think the perks and everything are fine its just something to note.

>>54348753
Oh, my mistake. Meant to just suggest that most Es pretended to be Bs.

Yeah.

Mm, remember that. I'll check and alter anything that might point to otherwise.

Thanks.

>>54347996
Does Brother Mine's mind and body include your out of jump stuff?

Can you take the Scenario as a Machine?

>>54348770
To a certain extent. They're not going to have anything supernatural but otherwise they'll have anything you do.

I...why not. I'll add in a note that you can, though you'll have to be disconnected from the Network to do so and you'll still need to fulfill the conditions.

>>54347996
No scenario for the machines/the terminal? I feel discriminated against.

>>54348789
>you'll have to be disconnected from the Network to do so
How would you go about doing that as a Humanoid Machine?

>>54348796
Haven't they practically won already? Humanity is kill, and the backdoor means the Terminals can end the war whenver they like.

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>>54347996
In my heart of hearts I remember again, the tears I shed upon reaching the ending E.

Thank you kindly, Valeria. 'Tis amazing.

>>54348806
Huh. So taking the Terminal origin basically means you can end the war the second the jump starts?

>>54348805
You uh, just DC yourself? Adam does it in the game.

>>54348796
Machines will be able to take the scenario, just need to add some notes to clear up how some of it works, especially for Terminals.

I DO have one more scenario but it's going to be in a DLC for the jump since I actually need the time to play the DLC of Automata myself and know everything I can get from it. Much as I love Ending E, the cost involved had it's price for me more then most, given the jump making.

>>54348809
Then again, Ending E really was worth it.

>>54348821
Long as you can convince your two sister Terminals, yeah. Pretty much.

>>54347996
>THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE, THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE
Are machine companions also unaffected by this?

>>54348915
Sure, they're unaffected too.

>>54346096
I was puzzled by that perk myself, at one point it references learning five things at once, later it references ten. What’s the upper bound on learning multiple subjects at once?

>>54347996
So who here is friendly?

>>54349027
The five is an example, the ten is the upper limit.

>>54349042
Depends on who you are. If you're a machine, other machines. Unless you're a pacifist machine. If you're an android, other androids.

>>54349049
What if I'm a cactus?

>>54349049
No internal conspiracies that want to stab me in the back?

>>54349066
....Emil's nice? You can be freaky objects together.

>>54349070
Course not. Probably best to not take Scanner and look for the truth behind YoRHa

>>54349080
I got the game in the summer sale so as soon as I get around to it I'm sure I'll know the truth anyway.

>>54349123
It's good stuff. Maybe don't read the document if you can. It kinda spoils shitloads of the game by nature.

>>54349135
So if we do the scenario, do the Bunker and YorHa legions that follow us get integrated into the histories of new jumps like properties often do, or do they just show when the jump starts? Actually, that's something I've been wondering about your other jumps that offer followers, too. My apologies if you've answered this question before and I just haven't heard it.

>>54349148
Nah, no more then a ship you bring along or any of your companions would automatically integrate. Properties, including things like countries such as Nehekhara, would integrate but if it's essentially a very large item/vehicle or a bunch of companions, they wouldn't.

>>54349135
I was too lazy to read anyway, so it works out.

>>54348676
One last thing: Would you consider a +0CP drawback for the Nier/Drakengard jumps? Seeing as the game does follow the events of Nier in the distant future, and in the same multiverse as Drakengard.

Drawbacks: Nothing Is As It Seems, Robnoxious, Flesh against Steel (1300)

Bunker

Strange Being, age 26

Happy Little Shopkeeper (Free)
Surpassing the Creator (1100)
Strange Mask (Free)
No Mere Machine (500)
Canon: A2, Devola, Popula (200)
The Secret Shop (0)

I am annoyed.

I am /very/ annoyed, even though I'm trying to fix things.

"Look, a human!"
"A human?"
"A human!"
"A SPECIAL human!"
"He's flying, he must be that unique existence known as a CEO in myth!"

I fought an incarnation of Sun Wukong for THIS?!

Everywhere I go, tiny hopping machines chirp greetings at me. Larger ones squint inquisitively at me. I can feel even the Terminals' muted interest through the airwaves, as if BEING HUMAN were anything special.

As I leave the atmosphere ("It's a bird! It's a plane! It's a real human beeeeing!" screams an unhinged airborne machine), I do everything to try and seem less human, and give up after the damned machines start praising evolution. As I phase through to Yorha command, I realise my day is only going to get worse from here. Radio Noise is trying not to snicker at me, as she fixes the backdoor.

Commander.

"Y-you're human!"

Are you QUITE certain about the aentropic space-time anomaly before you, is what I want to scream at her stupid face. But that isn't going to fix anything. Groaning inwardly, I say yes. Yes, I am a human.

And by the power vested in me by...mankind, I am officially calling an end to the machine war.

The ensuing stampede leaves me a little stunned on the physical AND electronic level, the scanners screaming transmissions. As I reluctantly ask if anyone would like to become as humans and stop all this war nonsense, back on Earth I catch one particular Executioner model almost crashing her flight armor in shock.

(Cont'd)

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>>54349190
As I hand out Synthesis-zaps like party favors and try to fend off slobbering soldiers (again, the scanners are the most clingy), my companions don't seem to understand the issue.

"Well, they are treating you like a deity" said Beatrice, conjuring hats for the excited machine children to wear. "isn't that the point?"

No! The point is having something WORTHWHILE to aspire to! I yell. Machine children frolic, the troops barely restrained by more world-weary resistance members.

"Here?" Yasumi laughed. "I can feel the baleful gazes of cold, hateful gods. This world reeks of misery, what's wrong with trying be like what they aren't?"

Poor taste! I retort, overlooking the disgustingly Holy Terraesque Yorha settlement. The problem, I think, isn't lack of interest in other cultures. The problem is after Elodie /insisted/ I be unbiased when explaining different societies, Yorha all but fell in love with the Imperial Creed. Commissar 2E can often be seen with Honorary Psyker Nines, leading terraforming efforts. They found a couple naked, mentally crippled androids in a ruined city the other day. There's talk of starting a two-man Space Marine chapter.

While Pascal's mob and the carnival bunch were overjoyed to meet the Imperium of Yorha, the more organised machines responded poorly. There's been some debate on whether the traditional katanas should be phased out for bolters. After a near-Bolter Heresy, GLADOS solved the issue by fabricating a sword that can turn into a bolter. And my autism against stupid weapons continues to make me angry at life.

And after explaining why it was bullshit, they started calling me the God-Emperor. Trying to tell them I'm anything BUT that gets hurt looks. Still better than being some, some fucking HUMAN mascot.

Note to self. Emps must NEVER find out about this world, post-Spark.

(Cont'd)

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>>54349193
Yasumi's not wrong, though. Whatever sent that flower, I can sense it's not happy the last foothold here's been compromised. My companions asked if I'm declaring another pantheocide. I just waved them off. We don't know enough, and the ball's in their court.

I also put Emil back together again. He asked me if I wouldn't mind ending him gently. I promised I would, long as he gave the Imp-THE SETTLEMENT WHICH I AM DISAPPOINTED IN a chance. Harsh maybe, but better safe than sorry.

It says something that one of the saner conversations I've had here, is with the Terminals.

"Interloper, your data is...anomalous. You are not human, correct?" I give them a digital headpat apiece. No. No, I'm not.

"Running diagnostics. Hypothesis: You are a deific manifestation of evolution". Grins. "Can you persuade us not to dissect you?"

Certainly. I show no fear, just my research. How with escalating misery as the sole variable, species continue to die out and be replaced unless they become less than human.

They look at each other. One raises an eyebrow. "Amusing. We had reached the same conclusion. However, it is a shame we could not play one last war game"

There's something I should probably tell you, I add. I replayed instrumentality.exe

They blink.

"So, you have given them human souls as well as posthuman bodies?"

Them and the pacifists. Not my first choice, I admit, but a civilisation can only reach it's full potential beyond scarcity.

"Amazing, we never replicated those! Can we reach an arrangement for samples, and continue corresponding? We offer an exchange of data, and the retention of any machines that agree to remain under your administration"

Rather forward, as AI overlords go. At least they're not licking my boots. So I agree.

I followed the rocket up to space as it left, looking down upon the planet. Humanity, or the next best thing, looks a lot less scruffy from a safe distance.

>>54349185
Great news!

>>54349190
Won't be adding any continuity drawbacks. Don't really like them in the first place and this game takes place so long after the first that any changes would either not matter or completely change the setting.

>>54347127
Is Unforgotten Heritage still in WIP? It just cuts off.

In the MCU jump, do you have to take part 2 directly after part one or can you have jumps in between the two?

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>>54349209
I thought the Fate jumps had some? Anyway, more's the pity but it's your call.

Mostly I just thought some ancient folktales or being remembered by Emil might be a nice, low key nostalgia trip

>>54348511
>>54348476
She is a bit annoying as a filler character. Though personally I'd rather stop her from coming into being in the first place by preventing that accident near the leylines, so that Illya can master her full potential quicker, and she technically IS an aspect of Illya so it's not much of a loss. And it's easier to accept your literal dark side if it isn't constantly giving you noogies.

>>54349174
Alright, makes sense. I figured it would probably be something along those lines, just wanted to make sure. So the Bunker would integrate, since it's a space station, but its crew in the new jump would find themselves very confused by the sudden appearance of ten thousand robot ladies. That amuses me.

Also amusing to me: I went looking up Nier: Automata on TV Tropes to remind me of some stuff I wasn't clear on about the plot, and found that the voice actor for 9S, Kyle McCarley, streams LPs of the games he's in with the other voice actors joining him as guests. It's pretty cute.

>>54349249
The latter

>>54349209
>Won't be adding any continuity drawbacks
Good, now I will not have to worry about a dragon somehow finding a way to impersonate an android. They are very sneaky leg sneks.

>>54349267
Kuro is a bit like a Shadow. She's Illya's dark side, sure, but she's a gross exaggeration and misrepresentation. Without her good personality traits, her morality, and her limits, Kuro is basically such a negative caricature she might as well be a total lie.

>>54349283
>a dragon somehow finding a way to impersonate an android

Did you keep an eyesight problem drawback? They're pretty big, you know. And scaly. And winged.

>>54349267
Makes more sense there.

>>54349274
Erm, like I said, the bunker probably wouldn't since it's basically just a huge vehicle. I mean, unless you have all your spaceships integrate into each setting. It is the YoRHa bunker, not just some space station, after all.

And seriously? That's awesome. Totally going to look that up.

>>54349303
Once they put on a big skull mask, you won't be able to tell the difference.

>>54349249
the former

>>54349303
>Did you keep an eyesight problem drawback? They're pretty big, you know. And scaly. And winged.

>Oh these old things? These are just add-ons >don't worry about a thing.

>>54349325
>Erm, like I said, the bunker probably wouldn't since it's basically just a huge vehicle.
Well, I don't recall it being mobile, so that sounds more like a property to me. I suppose I can see the logic of counting it like a spaceship, though. It's a separate and independent thing from any installations, free-floating in orbit. So if that's how you're going to rule it, I'm fine with that.

>And seriously? That's awesome. Totally going to look that up.
Yeah, it's great. The best part is the reactions from the voice actors when they get to bits of the plot they didn't record anything for. It's fun to see them go from having tons of spoilers to being completely blindsided.

Alright so are humans really extinct in Nier? The way it is phrased that some androids are killed if they get to certain truths makes me think so.

Factorio build

https://pastebin.com/Yg54gY3A

>>54349480
Yup. There is still some genetic material/data in a server up on the moon but humans are pretty much dead as the dodos.

>>54345738
Soon?

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>>54345711
Raiding an Ayleid ruin with Katia. She's set off almost every trap we've come across, wasted several scrolls of lightning spells freaking out over a rat, and accidentally Eye of Feared me in the middle of a fight with several skeletons. And somehow the only piece of "treasure" we found so far is an amulet of "invisibility" that only works on the wearer's clothes.

This is literally the best adventure ever.

>>54349494
>spoiler
Alright thanks for answering, two more questions.
How happy would they be if a human showed up and if I pick Terminal can I just pop out and switch to another of my forms?

>>54349541
Probably quite happy for almost all of the Androids, but the ones who know the truth, such as the Commander, would be extremely suspicious of you given you're not meant to exist.

You can just pop out if you have some alt forms but that'll pretty much turn the other Terminals against you for good unless you're really great at explaining/convincing them otherwise.

Hey is the anonymous who made NES pack around? I've got a question about Percussive maintenance I know that the enemy's scale in power, but do they gain abilities based on the thing you're trying to repair or the universe. It's from?

>>54349563
Is Magus Heir in F/SN meant to only have one 400CP perk? I thought it might be because they have a 1000CP perk but the other origins that have one also have 1/1/2/2/4/4/6/6/10, it's only Magus heir missing a 400.

>>54347996
I just want to say thank you for Surpassing the Creator. I've actually been looking for a perk that does exactly that for a while now.

Oh! And does Not Mere Machine only work for machine bodies? Or can a human/terminal benefit from it (presumably in other forms, for a terminal)?

>>54349740
I...honestly don't know. I THINK it may have been that they get a few things you can buy repeatedly but I really can't remember. I'm sure there's a reason, no way it would've gone unnoticed this long but...it's really skipping my mind.

I'll try and think something up for it.

>>54349752
It works for non machines too yeah. It only works on physical stuff but long as that's satisfied, the perk will work even if you're fleshy instead of chromey.

>>54349758
Morning miss valociraptor I know you get a lot of fate questions so Im sorry to ask another one, if I take magus backgrounds in all the current fate jumps youve made would it be possible to recreate the magics required to make a holy grail war? Or would we need outside perks?

>>54349836
The only absolutely necessary things, as long as you're actually in the Nasuverse when you make it, are the Second and Third True Magics and a mana rich area, plus knowledge of making command seals. That would let you eventually finagle one.

That said, having all the perks and items from each of the Magus backgrounds (Plus the stuff from the Old Hand background in FSN, would make it a helluva lot easier.

Course, this is all based on you being in the Nasuverse, where the Throne of Heroes exists. If you're not in one, in a place with a similar thing or have some kind of way to summon across jumps, it's just going to be impossible to recreate it the way it was made originally. You could probably make something that had the same end result with different methods though.

>>54349836
I believe it's been stated you need the three True Magics that were involved to recreate a holy grail war. Mostly the biggest problem is the absence of the throne of heroes in other places.

>>54349874
Thanks val, great work on the jumps!

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>>54349897
Glad you're enjoying them.

>>54349894
I could've sworn it was just the Third, and a shitton of magecraft? I only remember Zelretch supervising. As for the rest we know nothing about the 4th, the 5th wouldn't be practical-plus Aoko wouldn't want anything to do with it, and I highly doubt the First was used when none of the founders were capable of it.

>>54349929
Pretty sure the Second was either to reach the Throne and/or to put the Third magic prana machine thing in a separate dimension.

>>54349934
On the one hand, that does make sense.

On the other hand I distinctly remember both the Second and the Third were described as paths to the Root. What if it was very literal? And since in Justeaze's era they had access to the Third would it be inconceivable they wished their way near it?

>>54349956
...I have no idea what you just said.

>>54347750
> All of them drag their heels on pills
You want a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. Or was it the other way around?
It's important to remember that they are two different things, and one is licensed to prescribe medication and one is not. Conversely, the one that licensed to prescribe medication will usually default to that, they're actually really bad about just listening to your problems unless it's specifically "how are you dealing with your medication", whereas the other, not being licensed, will drag their feet and try to look for other solutions. So it really depends on what you're looking for in terms of treatment.

And yes, it's really stupid that they have too completely different jobs even though they sound so much the same.

>>54349977
If we pick Terminal would we be barred from taking the Scenario? If not, I find it hilarious how Terminal C was just put in charge of YoRHa.

>>54350041
Nah, going to do an update tomorrow morning to note how the machine origins work with the scenario.

>>54349977
Wondering if I should drop it, I can't find the translation on nvrnsqr so at the moment I'm looking at an uncited statement on the wiki. Closest I can find is a reddit thread which-yeah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/typemoon/comments/4zna2r/how_does_true_magic_actually_work/

Basically what I meant was: Since the Third is designed as a path to the Root, and the Greater Grail is designed to open that path to the Root, I was speculating on whether the Einzberns could've built it without needing Zelretch's Magic because theirs already lets them design things like the Greater Grail as part of it's function. Just not through parallel world transportation, but soul energy directed into wishes instead.

>>54350041
>how Terminal C was just put in charge of YoRHa

A very convincing fake mustache, clearly.

>>54350099
Well, if they could do that, why bother with the system at all given the entire intention is to use it to get to the root? I can't imagine two dinky Japanese families have much to offer what was at the time one of the biggest, strongest and most famous magus families that already had a True Magic.

Besides, even if they could, that's not really explaining how they're getting to the Throne.

>>54350054
Have I got it right that Surpassing the creator only protects you from internal restrictions? By which I mean that for, say, "supernatural restrictions on your behaviour or free will", if:

A) if you're a fairy and fairy's are by nature unable to lie - you're more than capable of ignoring that restriction and lying

B) If some wizard could conceivably cast a spell on you that compels you to speak the truth - the curse is probably going to work

C) If this wizard tried to prevent you from lying by changing your fundamental nature such that you were incapable of lying by design - that's a crapshoot in the same way (A) is.

>>54350215
Pretty much. It's for built in stuff. So it's not going to stop a mind control spell but other stuff will be blocked.

>In “Apocrypha”, the Three Families are the magi who constructed the Fuyuki Holy Grail War… in other words, the Einzberns, Tohsaka and Makiri.
Just as alluded in the light novels, Makiri (Matou) Zouken fought fiercely against Darnic during the Third Holy Grail War, but became practically crippled due to the shock of the Greater Grail being stolen. The family wasn’t blessed with a successor either, so their future as magi has been completely shut.

>The Tohsaka gave up on the Greater Grail, and now seek a new path in becoming one with the universe with Chinese Kenpou while learning magecraft. The twin-tail daughter of the family might also end up becoming the founder of a “completely new martial arts that combines magecraft and Chinse Kenpou” by the time she becomes a high school student. However, she never imagined that her younger sister who was adopted by distant relatives would come visit her in Japan after becoming a pro-wrestler with unimaginably nice proportions and forming a tag team with a drill-roll-haired girl…!

>The Einzberns are in the midst of struggling to make a new Greater Grail under the excuse “It was stolen, so we’ll just make a new Holy Grail”. Fortunately, in the “Apocrypha” world, a certain dead fish-eyed mercenary won’t end up becoming involved with the Einzberns, so their greatest work Illyasviel will never be born—therefore, as long as she isn’t born, the Einzberns will never despair… Is that really fortunate?

Wow, the Apocrypha universe has some HILARIOUS schadenfreude potential! Always wondered what happened to the Einzberns afterwards when Illya's dead.

>>54350240
I do like that Rin and Sakura essentially become Nasu Mika and Nadeshiko. They even have a Karin to fight against.

>>54350263
Oh wait, I misread that. Apparently it's Sakura and Luvia who become the wrestlers, while Rin remains the Karin.

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Is there a good Let's Play of Nier: Automata /jc/ can recommend for me to watch?

>>54345468
Not usually but sometimes to show off/as an excuse to be handsomely shirtless.

>>54350240
Wait, is that actually real?

I'm collecting super senses of various kinds and am currently stuck on some vision capabilities. I set a goal of matching Hyperion from Marvel in the sight department, which is tricky as fuck because he can see electrons orbiting nuclei and read DNA from space. Any ideas beyond the microscopic and telescopic vision in nearly every super jump because I have pretty much all of those at this point?

>>54350395
gamers skills from the gamer so you can train that stuff up.

>>54350395
There is that one quirk that merges your senses together I believe it might help.

>>54350430
That is definitely a help. Do you know where that perk is?