EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54344682
>Pet Card
I love Blade of Selves but it never makes the cut

>>54344747
What decks have you tried it in, anon?

>>54344759
Not him, but I use it in Kokusho. 5 times the number of opponents.

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I would love to build a Wild Research deck, but I don't like the idea of building around a card that's not my commander. I just need Zur to switch colors.

Have you ever just fallen in love with a specific general? Ghave is honestly my ideal commander, and my current deck with him is everything I've ever loved about Magic, ever since my friend introduced me to the game by making me play against him using a mono-green Thallid/Overrun deck, years back.

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Viable as a general?

>>54344821
Brago. I was reluctant to run him because everyone said he was degenerate, but holy shit, he plays so smoothly. I don't always win, but there's never a dull or irritating moment. For me.
>>54344872
More expensive and slower Azami.

>>54344781
Try Pride Kings for Null-Black Enchantress. You're in colors for the usual Bantchantress tech (Omniscience, Enchanted Evening, Aura Thief etc) plus some red stuff like Assemble the Legion, Aura Barbs, Dictate of the Twin Gods and M F'ing Obliterate

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>>54344682
>What's a pet card you've wanted to find a home for but had no luck?
Faces of the Past. I've tried getting it into my Grimgrin deck a few times, but the zombies I have just don't have abilities to combo well with it.

>>54344872
Foil Arcanis is dope as fuck. One of the few blue cards I like.

As a commander though he doesn't really do anything. This is good if you play in groups and others use more flashy commanders but being mono blue means your deck needs to have its own win cons separate from him and basically work on its own which really isn't fully recommended for mono color decks as they normally get shut down or are just to slow.

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>>54344682
>What's a pet card you've wanted to find a home for but had no luck? Let's find a home for it.

>>54344925
Isperia the Inscrutable.

>>54344872
>>54344872
He's basically a different version of Azami. Still combos with Mind Over Matter, better with Pemmin's Aura than Azami is. You don't have to play as many wizards since Arcanis draws more cards on his own.

He's also a million times cooler than Azami.

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>we roll dice to see who goes first
>I go last
>first player goes "scorching desert, target anon, pass"
>I'm absolutely stunned
>I go down to 39 life before it's even my turn
>he doesn't even apologize
I haven't even had one turn, so it was impossible for me to interact with the trigger. If he let me just play one island I could have stifled the trigger and still been at 40 life. Instead he targets me out of pure spite. We all talked about it and it was pretty clear that he only wanted me to be at 39 life so that I wouldn't win. He was going all on about how he is perfectly allowed to scorch me, but he didn't even think for a second about how I felt about it. It would have been infinitely preferable if he gave me just one turn to get up stifle mana or find a way to gain some life. Instead he tries to act like just because the game lets him do something that its ok and my feelings don't matter. We all agreed that targeting me was unnecessarily spiteful considering he had another land in hand he could play, or he could have mulliganed to a hand that had less hateful cards. We all agreed to just play as if I was at 40.

What I don't get is how people like him think its a good idea to play like that with regular playgroups. You know that by hitting me with scorching desert, it's just going to make me bring out my five color stonerain.dek and completely remove his ability to play next game. Since then we have houseruled that you're not allowed to hurt others players if they don't have a way to interact with it. Our players that have some social awareness and aren't completely autistic have all agreed with this rule and it has done a great job of weeding out the players that have offensive personality traits, such as having skin any thicker than plastic food wrap.

>>54345082
what is this referencing?
props though this one's REALLY good

>>54344906
I'm putting that in my Locust God to do dumb stuff with Skullclamp and Kyren Negotiations/Opposition.

>>54345110
Spitescooping was the big thing when that pasta was made.

Does Hope Tender combo with anything /edh/? I want it to jankily combo hard.

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>>54345184

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>>54345184
There are already a bunch of creatures that untap lands and do it better than Hope Tender does.

Also Krosan Restorer can untap 3 with threshold. Stone-Seeder Hierophant untaps one, but untaps itself on landfall.

What's /tg/'s opinion of the Trinket/Trophy/Treasure Mage cycle? Are there any particular artifacts you like t grab with them?

>>54344925
Telepathy is one of the first things to go in a Nebuchadnezzar deck.

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>>54344682

>>54345184
You'd be better off running Krosan Restorer.

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>>54344682
Break this. Hard mode: don't use Lab Man.

>>54345256
Trinket can grab Mana Vault/Crypt/Sol Ring. It's the fast mana one. Trophy Mage grabs you Ashnod's or Phyrexian Altar, Basalt Monolith, Blasting Station, Cloudstone Curio. It's the combo one. I've never really seen Treasure Mage used.

>>54345301
Bruna, Light of Alabaster. Mill your library, attach all your milled auras to Bruna.

>>54345301
Living death?

>>54345301
you can play it just as a crappy hermit druid in mimeoplasm

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>>54345301
?

>start playing edh at LGS
>go first
>put down my land and pass
>- anon, why aren't you drawing a card? the one that starts the match draws a card

wat?

>>54345373
This has been a rule for multiplayer for a while.

>>54345373
Depends on table size. More than 3 players dictates a draw since it takes so long for you to react compared to the rest of the table.

>>54345373
they are in fact right

>>54345382
>>54345399
>>54345411


had no idea of this rule, kept thinking they played it wrong

thanks for clearing it up

>>54345256
Trinket grabs ring, vault, crypt, moxen, or sensei's top.
Treasure nabs Blightsteel or other bombs.
Trophy grabs too many things to list, including swords, ashnod's altar, rocks, tangle wire, trinisphere, crucible, and so on. It's grossly underrated.

>>54345373
>103.7c In all other multiplayer games (besides 2HG), no player skips the draw step of his or her first turn.

What are some must have red cards? Red is the "weakest" color I've been told, but I want to see some strong EDH red cards that make me believe otherwise.

>>54345256
They're all very good. Treasure Mage depends more on your decklist.

Trophy Mage grabs swords and either part of Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth.

>>54345483
draaaaaagons.

>>54345483
https://edhrec.com/top/r

Insurrection's pretty nice.

>>54345301
bruna

>>54345483
Vandalblast.

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>>54345483
Nah, monowhite is worse than monored.

Chaos Warp is 100% auto include in all monored decks. Vandalblast is a blowout. Winds of Change is pretty interesting.

Pic related ends games.

>>54345483
Ruination, Blasphemous Act, Daretti, Goblin Welder, Battle Hymn, Chain Reaction, Vandalblast, and Inferno Titan are some of the best red cards IMO

>>54345483
I'm a personal fan of Flame Slash in mono-red, despite damage-based removal getting ragged on constantly. 4 damage gets a LOT of crucial creatures in other decks like Oracle and Vizier.

Also, Chandra's Ignition to utterly BTFO of the board once one of your red dragons gets on the board. We're talking 20+ damage, easily.

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>>54345483
This could be effective, depending on your playgroup

>>54345537
Monowhite is worse than monored because white is the better secondary color. It's got more splash potential than red, but splash can't carry your deck, so it suffers more without other colors.

>>54345483
Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon.

>>54345483
Savage Beating, Hanweir Garrison and Furnace of Rath

>>54345483
Increasing Vengeance, Reiterate, Dictate of the Twin Gods, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Past in Flames.

>Forcing people to resolve Hive Mind/Scrambleverse/Pact of Negation

>>54345691
thankfully at my LGS if we are playing for packs we just vote them out. they get one pack but we keep playing

>foil scarab god
How's he looking for EDH?

>>54345850
Really fun

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>>54345082

> but he didn't even think for a second about how I felt about it.

Cease your faggotry, man-servant!

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>>54345850
>tfw everyone and their mother makes a scarab deck

Atleast it helped me sell some zombie cards I've been sitting on for a while.

>>54345953
how dare people play a fun new commander, fucking fags amirite?

>ran Death Cloud as a last resort "Fuck you" cabal dump sometimes
>I can just run Torrent of Hailfire
This was a good set.

>>54346008
I'd still run both. I fucking love Death Cloud.

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>>54345483

Top secret Red tech coming through.

>>54345985
>t. Atraxafag

>>54346043
Just run Sundial too.

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>>54345483

>>54345953
Hopefully I can trade these Death Barons away now. I've had 3 sitting in my trade binder forever and people always want them but once they find out it's a $20 card they always back down. I almost wish this card was worth less just so I could have a better chance to trade them away.

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>>54346043
You mean Boros

Let's say I have Meren and Aid From the Cowl on the field (have 2+ experience counters).
I can select Meren's trigger first, getting back Sakura-Tribe Elder, can I then sacrifice STE to trigger Aid From the Cowl?

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Building oldschool monoblack. Stipulation is that no card may have the modern border. I'm thinking of using several old legends, but haven't settled on a theme. What are some good inclusions?

Commanders/maindeck so far includes Visara, both flavors of Crovax, Greel, Greven il-vec, Spirit of the Night, and pic related.

>>54346106
cut out that baby shit, you haven't lived until you've used sunforger to search for render silent

>>54346138
Some of the best reanimator cards are from old sets. Phyrexian Arena and tutors are a given too.

>>54346171
Got most of the main tutors/reanimates covered, but the lesser-known stuff always eludes me. I swear, most of the coolest secret tech came from Fallen Empires.

>>54346211

Try Homelands. Has the whole Sangir crew I think.

If a creature has indestructible and I play Blasphemous Act that doesn't destroy it, right? What if that creature attacks and is blocked by something? Then is it destroyed?

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>>54346237
>>54346211

Love this thing.

>>54346262
he and his serfs are gonna feed Razaketh repeatedly

>>54346255
>702.12b A permanent with indestructible can’t be destroyed. Such permanents aren’t destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the state-based action that checks for lethal damage (see rule 704.5g).

No, combat damage doesn't destroy them either

>>54346255
damage does not destroy indestructible creatures
unless it's infect/wither damage
generally indestructible creatures are vulnerable to:
- exiling
and
- toughness decreases ("give target creature -X/-X until end of turn" type effects, this would include -1/-1 counters given by wither/infect damage)

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>>54346140
>using Sunforger to find an azorius spell

>>54346346
So combat doesn't count as toughness decrease or effects like Blasphemous Act? Sick. That's what I was worried about.

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>>54346385
not unless they're running this bad boy

swing away friend

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>>54346385
Damage does not decrease toughness

>>54346422
>Everlasting Torment into Blasphemous Act
Damn that's nice

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is it just me or does he have the potential to be oppressively strong?

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>shitty group decides lifegain is super strong and unbeatable
>they get all pissy when that guy pulls out
>build Zada
>deal almost 1000 points of damage to the lifegain player on a single swing

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Creature type; Legendary

>>54345717
That sounds like your all sore losers... And if he payed admission deserves reimbursement.

>>54346655
That shit don't work my nigga

>>54346653
gotta break 'em in somehow

>>54346655
No longer legal, sorry m8

>>54346655
Legendary is a supertype. Not a valid choice.

>>54346664

Type can't be supertype?

>>54346661
nah we all pay for 1 pack on entry, the rules are clearly stated before the game and on the site. the person that gets kicked still wins a pack on top of his entry pack

>>54345953
Eh zombies aren't getting a tribal deck from the 2017 set. Let them have their fun and appreciate the rare one's that get more creative.

>>54346671
Nope

Creature type is Soldier, Dragon, etc., all subtypes

>>54346661
someone doing that knows exactly what the fuck they're doing and gets whatever they get

Two of the guys I play with, both friends, are buying Chinese bootleg cards. Both of these guys were already the highest power-level among the small group I'm because they like theorycrafting, watching tournaments, and have already spent money on good cards. But now they have access to cards that are ludicrously overpowered, perfect mana, and so forth.

It's making me no longer want to play the game. What do I do?

>>54346731
kill them

>>54346731
Communicate and express that you're no longer having fun because you feel that you can't compete. Talk it out.

>>54346731
Go to local card shop and play with decent people. Friday night magic is also nice. The place I go to has a lot of people playing edh and all of them are incredibly nice even this kid who is a bit overly attached to people

>>54346731
Buy fakes of your own, don't tell them, trade, wait until they go to an official event and report them.

>>54346671
legendary is a card type. not a creature type.

>>54346731
You can also buy some chinese cards yourself. What are they gonna say about it?

Fuck, go print out some cards at home and slip them in over some basic lands. If they give you shit point out they play with fake cards too.

>>54346731
build chaos deck.

>>54346779
>not just scribbling on 100 index cards and playing that as a deck
That's how you show real contempt

>>54346731
Get a deck of normal playing cards and write expensive legal cards on them. Mana Drain and Volcanic Island. Tell them they're exactly as legal as their fakes.

>>54345717
bitch nigga

>>54346792
When I first started playing MTG one of my friends made a deck out of notebook paper. We were poor.

Thank fuck that shits over.

>>54346731
just photoshop somewhat obscure cards to be overpowered and then print them off for your own use.

they will think they are hot shit with bootleg gaea's cradles but when you unmorph a 17/17 haste, trample Krosan Cloudscraper on turn 3 they are going to feel pretty silly.

and then you just say you got it the same place they did.

>>54346678
Fair enough, you are exonerated from my accusations.

>>54346831
Krosan Cloudscraper is cheap as fuck, anon.

>>54346384
fight me bro it feels good

>>54346765
>>54346779
>>54346804
>>54346831
I guess I should have clarified that I don't care that they're using proxies. I'm not really into the whole arms race thing, so it's not something I personally want to do.

I got into EDH to use the cards I had. I suppose I have to man up and just do what >>54346752 says. Maybe ask them to keep one or two decks proxy-free just to be a little more fair. Or just accept my drubbings over and over again without reminding the guy who wins that he usually wins 75% of the time anyways.

>>54346760
Now that, I won't do. I've been to the nearby shops, and man, I want to shoot myself just listening to those groups talk.

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>>54346831
>>54346852
the point is to edit cards, print off your own fakes, and then just pretend you bought them online.

>>54346896
You will never be hardcore, poser.

>>54346899
It must different for you I guess since you probably live in a city

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>>54346766

Ah, there it is.

Th-...thanks all...

>>54345258
>Nebuchadnezzar

Just looked this guy up. Goddamn that's dirty. And cool.

>>54346900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos

>>54346140
Black is the only acceptable splash-color to use this equipment.

>>54345355

This is glorious.

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Why has no one broken this card yet?

>>54345265
Tasigur

You delve your whole graveyard except for the labman in there, then you use this guy and win

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>>54347020
Already happened

>>54346262

He is glorious

>>54347020
They have.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-ultimate-budget-way-to-troll-everyone/

>>54347020
>>54347057
By the way we're getting Blue Conspiracy in Ixalan, so that opens more doors.

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Does anyone have experience with artifact commander decks? I had an idea I wanted to make, but want to know if it's viable at all:

>Deck is artifact focused.
>Based around the theme of wondrous, one-of-a-kind artifacts, events or places.
>Eg; Alaadin's Lamp, sny nsmed or legendary creatures, or more recently, Approach of the Second Sun.
>Light-hearted and high fantasy focused. No Necronomicon or the like.
>Cards flavor needs to imply there is only one, or very few, of this thing in the world. Like a Dragon's egg. It's not one-of-a-kind, but certainly rare.
>Despite what you may think, the cards need not be powerful, just unique.

It woud probably be a majority white deck, with a focus on winning through life-gain, because that fits in with the light-hearted theme.

Can you guys give me any advice for this? Card suggestions, tips on deck builiding in EDH, etc.

>>54346211
Soldevi Adnate. Turn your unwanted junk critters into mana. Gaze of Pain is also great for politics, but not much else.

>>54345265
Tasigur

You delve your whole graveyard except for the labman in there, then you use this guy and win

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>>54347140
Neat. I'll definitely look into the Adnate.
>>54347093
Assemble the Legacy

>>54347093
Chalice of Life/Death
Well of Lost Dreams
Ring of 3 wishes
Umezawa's Jitte
Godsend
Tapestry of the ages
Sunbeam spellbomb
Alhammarret's Archive
Scroll of avacyn
Scroll of origins
Avarice amulet
Norns annex
Scepter of dominance
Spear of heliod
Crown, Scepter, and Throne of Empires

>>54347071
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-ultimate-budget-way-to-troll-everyone/

This is glorious.

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>>54345184
I tried to come up with the dumbest thing I could think of. You can kill every creature your opponents control like this.

>>54345301
Bitter Ordeal.

>>54347462
Does that work? I wouldn't think so.

>>54347071
>>54347355
This opening combo is just Legacy Oops All Spells.

>>54344872
Resident dickhead reporting in
Arcanis is very good, as his combo with mind over matter is a trillion times better than with azami, barely anything short of split secknd can stop it. That dsaid he comes down a turn later, although i never cast him without some kind of counter backup and usually only when i have mind over matter or long term plans in hand. Alhammarets archive is nuts in this deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/arcanis-the-omnipotent-competitive-combo/

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>>54347433
Hold on, I think I recognize you.

>>54347071
>Ugin's Nexus+Fated Infatuation+ Rishadan Pawnshop will allow you to take infinite turns.

this doesn't work?

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>>54347020
Here we go.

>>54347516
You are correct. I assume the lettering gave me away.

>>54347585
Wait, can't you replace Scourge of Valkas with any ETB damage thing and have it work? I'm assuming that Conspiracy overrides previous types to make the Angel no longer an Angel.

>>54347531
Enchanted Evening+Starfield of Nyx. All permanents are enchantments, all enchantments are creatures.

>>54347020
Mate lost to a guy running this.
Mate was running Jhoira. He went to cast a friendly obliterate.
Thing was the other gusy commander was Scion of the Ur Dragon. So in response he used his ability to turn into a avacyn of hope to survive the obliterate then turned it into a phage to one hit my mate. I say that was pretty cool.

>>54347703
that's fucking tight dude
yall do some cool shit down under

>>54347598
Yeah, but this was a combo for a Kaalia deck, which could be playing Scourge for its own sake.

What is a good wincon for Keranos mld? I recently built it and it works well up until I need to start winning

>>54347462
>tfw cast Bitter Ordeal after I have milled my whole library
>search for opponent's library for Scornful Egotist and exile it

feedback on my locust god deck?
(pulled a masterpiece Locust God so i had to)
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-intelligent-swarm

>>54348437
Sunder + Cyclonic Rift + any wheel. Then Mana Severance with Paradox Haze and Strionic Resonator to bolt 9 to face each of your turns.

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>>54348894
>no fabricate to fetch skullclamp

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>>54346138
>not including volrath

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>>54348894
>no trinket mage to fetch skullclamp

Would Dread Wanderer be good for a B/U Zombie deck or are there better cards to use?

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>>54348894
>No Trophy Mage to fetch Ashnod's Altar
>No Baral
>No anthems for big insect swings
>No wheels or "shuffle your graveyard into your library"
>No ramp except for 3-cost rocks and sol ring
>Taplands
>Dismiss, Disdainful Stroke, Dominate, Lightning Bolt
>Somehow has Mana Echoes among all of this budget
>No Eldrazi to cast with all of that colorless from Mana Echoes, or to pitch and shuffle your graveyard
>No Hammer of Purphoros for hasty Eldrazi
>No Phyrexian Altar to cast colored spells when comboing off

hmm

>>54344925
Useful in my Bruna deck to increase the enchantment count. And to see what everyone has before I cast Bruna.

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>>54348894
>No

>>54349120
Wouldn't you also need something like Sol Ring, or whatever not-land mana source to be able to activate Strionic Resonator, or am I missing something?

>>54345082
Top tier tbqh

>>54349396
>Somehow has Mana Echoes among all of this budget

It wasn't always expensive. I bought one for less than $2 a couple years ago.

>>54347433
Ordering these cards right now

thank you for this lovely spice

>>54350170

I had Arena for a bit and finally put him in my colorless eldrazi deck, was Very effective, til opponent had deathtouch.

This is my favorite token maker, universal, or Monkey Cage, if you can sneak it in.

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>>54350301

Erp.

>>54346632
I don't know about oppressive, but I'm definitely concerned that he's gonna be one of those generals like Nekusar where the deck basically builds itself, and looks the same every time

>>54349358
pls respond ;_;

>>54350367
>>54350367
>>54350367
Except 70% of Nekusar decks are run by scrubs who complain that they lose the game when they let all of their opponent draw a bunch of extra cards.

>>54347093
If a lot of your artifacts have activation costs, Kurkesh would be a good pick.

>>54350403

Eh, that looks slow and there has to be plenty of better ways to ressurecting the dead.

>>54349396
>UR
>Having anthems
>>54349425
Sure, but you can play land of the day after Sunder, but besides, UR should be playing mana rocks anyway.

>>54345256

I run a Trinket Mage in my Breya to fetch sol ring, skull clamp, conjurer's bauble, or even artifact lands.

I run Treasure Mage for the splashy artifacts like the colossi.

I don't have enough 3 drops to make Trophy Mage worthwhile, which bums me out because I'd love to complete the cycle.

>>54345537
Sometimes I see a card, and I just wonder, "Why isn't this in my Gisela deck?"

>>54350700
Do you ever look at someone and wonder why is there no Repercussion in their Gisela deck?

>>54350465
>play Nekusar deck
>have 3 cards that actually use his ability to an incredibly useful way
>glistening oil, phyrexian armor or w/e and some third card (half asleep right now)
>only play Nekusar when I have any of those three cards in hand or I need draw power
>otherwise the deck is a comfy but powerful overwhelming zombie grixis tribal

I just don't really like the other grixis zombie.

>>54345082
Wow, you really put a lot of work into this bait.

>>54346731
Print out proxies and play against them with those while spending much less money then laugh at them for buying fakes.

If you really dislike them then rat them out at a tournament if they try to use fakes in one.

So, I'm adding Decree of Silence and Solemnity to my Augustin deck.

Hours of Devastation was pretty nice to me.

>>54346050
>>54346043
Don't forget Isochron Scepter, if you're using these with Sundial.

>>54350883
Add Glen Elendra Archmage.

>>54350966
Already in there. no need for Solemnity Shenanigans for GEA to be good enough

>>54345483
Manabarbs

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>>54347020

>have a lord of extinction invocation
>cracked an apocalypse demon, I already had a jarad, that vulterous zombie guy and a bonehoard
>want to build something using them, but golgari seems really played out
Now, I have a mimeoplasm just chilling, is BUG mill any good? I don't really want to build a counter deck or a combo deck, I just want to mill people into oblivion. Can Jund or Abzan mill even work?

>>54351276
>Golgari seems played out
>I'll play Sultai instead
Do you even think?

>>54351276
Good as in casually? Yes, just pact exile in case of Pasta monsters. Also most strategies using GBx invoke one of the following: things dying, repeatedly. So don't expect that much variance imo by just adding blue, except mill that you want.

>Jund
cares more about things dying
>Abzan
cares more about stuff rising up from dead

>>54351303
Yes, very thoroughly. I have almost every golgari commander, and I've built Glissa, Valroz, Meren, Mazirek and Jarad. I specifically want to run a mill deck focused on decking other people.

>>54351348
This is very helpful, I was thinking of making a mutual mill thing with a bunch of wheels and reanimator. You're suggesting just build a golgari deck and substitute the mill in? I always wind up getting overwhelmed by all the blue staples I want to include, but that sounds like a good way to enable the monoblue artifact deck I'm building at the same time.

>>54345256
I run all three in Muzzio because if I didn't I'd be an idiot. I can get from my deck:

>Trinket
Sol Ring, Glaring Spotlight, Seat of the Synod, Everflowing Chalice, Darksteel Citadel.
>Trophy
Crystal Ball, Palladium Myr, Loxodon Warhammer, Darksteel Ingot, Shimmer Myr, Scrap Trawler, Foundry Inspector, Chief of the Foundry, Master of Etherium.
>Treasure
Myr Battlesphere, Scuttling Doom Engine, Soul of New Phyrexia, Pentavus, Dreamstone Hedron, Colossus of Akros, Metalwork Colossus.

>>54345082
Thanks.

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>>54344682
Bomb Squad is such a tempting card to use in a deck that messes with counters, but it has never worked.

A question for /edhg/:
do you know of any cards similar to Chandra's ignition? (in rakdos colours)

>>54351731
fling
soul's fire
grab the reins

>>54351731
Arcbond, Alpha Brawl, Living Inferno, Goblin Sleigh Ride

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Has anyone printed nice alt art proxies? I'm planning on printing off some of my commanders to clear decal sheets and sticking on foil blanks, will that work very well or is there a better way?

>>54351883
I don't allow proxies in my store, sorry man. you can buy the actual card from our stock if we have it or you'll have to play with something else.

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>tfw you Willbender Aetherflux Reservoir

>>54351939
I'm not fucking buying Animar and I'm not buying Fall Out 4 Todd

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>>54351883

I 100% own the cards and I'm willing to to have the altered image overlaid, or just play with the unaltered cards, but proxies aren't just for playing with cards you don't own. They can also be used to enhance the theme of a deck.

On a completely unrelated note, just how cringey is my next deck project?

>>54352080
I have no idea what this is. 100% awful.

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>>54352061
Ha ha I'm sorry, anon I didn't hear you that well. I just need to check out the cards your using real quick. please let me in.

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>>54344925

>>54351883
>>54352061
>not supporting the glorious secondary market investors who buy out cards and hike up the prices

fucking wendys chef poorfag piece of shit scumbag get the fuck out of my format RRREEEEE

Anyone mind ripping into this? Don't have much cash to improve it, but figure you guys would be able to help spot dead cards better.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muzzio-machinery/?cat=type&sort=

>>54352338
you forgot to make it public you plumbo

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>>54351939
>>54352080
>>54352190
No, I own all these cards already, I just wanted nicer looking copies to slip in front

>>54352369
Derp. Should be fixed now.

>>54352439
>nicer looking

>>54352439
>doesn't have braids
Shit tier alter right here

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>>54352596
Honestly I agree but I hate the original art, am not an artist, and couldn't find a nice one with actual braids

>>54346653
Post dick please.

Ive thought of zada for a while because its very different to daretti.
Only reason i didnt build it is because i had mono r already

>>54352614
>Whole again, in honor and horn.
>no horns
Fuck off.

>>54352338
prob want lightning greaves and swifties.

>>54352080
It's all up to taste, but the only objective statement I can make is that the difference in style between the two is just too much. I personally despise the one on the right, but that really does just come down to preference

>>54351883
>>54352439
>>54352614
animar looks good enough, but braids looks like some emo girl in cosplay almost as much as avacyn, and rhys literally just looks like an elf from lotr

>>54352897
Yeah, I really need to get a copy of each for this deck. I guess I could swap from my other decks, but frequently resleeving gets annoying.

Which of the gods of Theros would be a good commander?
I'm leaning towards Athreos, Keranos, or Ephara.

Are there any retardedly huge fatties at low CMC in Boros that I missed? I'm theorycrafting Brion a bit

I got

Ignition Team
Malignus
Serra Avatar
Moltensteel Dragon
War Elemental
Taurean Mauler
Hamletback Goliath

I'd like to get about 10-13 of them total

>>54353118
Purphoros is fucking absurd, just spend three turns setting up, play him, then spawn 20 goblins to win. Indestructible enchantments pretty durable as commanders. Backup gameplan is basicaly generic goblins.dec EDH, mass pumps and shitloads of little guys.

Someone, somewhere should get a 23-man edh table, with each player piloting one of the Gods.

Pity the sucker who has to try to ride Bontu to glory.

>>54353118
The only ones that I wouldn't want to build around are Heliod and Pharika.

>>54352080
Bothers me that ikra is a naga, would have been cool in doran treefolk tribal.

>>54353159
Boldweir Heavyweights
Demolition Stomper
Phyrexian Soulgorger
Metalwork Colossus
Ball Lightning
Blistering Firecat
Cosmic Larva
Deep slumber Titan
Wooly Razorback
Thunderblust

And Moltensteels better cousin (at least for what you're trying to do)
Immolating Souleater

I'm thinking of building stax, and am considering Mardu for my colors. My thoughts are that I get a lot of the white/black stax elements along with the LD that red can give. Also, Smokestack and Assemble the Legion looks like a funny combo. I am torn between Oros and Tariel as my commander. I'm thinking more on Tariel since she has vigilance and the reanimation is a bit better than conditional board control when the deck is going to be full of better versions of it.


>>54353118
I had a Phenax control/mill. It was alright, but mostly focused on combo and reanimating goodies from other people

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>>54353536
Pledge your loyalty to the Queen instead

>>54353536
Zurgo Headfucker + Worldslayer MLD.

>>54353118
Xenagos and Kruphix are stupidly good

>>54353254
my pay group is doing a gods night tonight

>>54353254
Bontu would be just Big Black Mana goodstuff that never casts the commander
Actually it would be pretty good

>>54353563
How does your opponent become the monarch?

>>54353762
By damaging the previous monarch

>>54353563
Might also be fun

>>54353596
Oh shit, I forgot about that. Plus with his haste he hits like a train, so he is a win con


>>54353762
They deal combat damage to you

>>54353762
Hitting you with any combat damage steals monarch. Monarch is an extra draw at EoT so its powerful if you keep it and tokens if you don't.

>>54353778
And you can run Sigarda's Aid, Stoneforge Mystic, and other things to cheat Worldslayer onto him. Connecting with a Worldslayer isn't a guarantee of winning the game, but it's hard to get around.

>>54353167
>>54353536
>>54353618
How would you build Keranos?

>>54353824
Yeah, seems like it would be

Holy shit it even stays equipped

>>54353887
Just play with a lot of the general UR good stuff

>>54353945
Yup. Greatest thing I ever saw, though janky as fuck, was Loxodon Gatekeeper with Darksteel Plate, and Zurgo Helmsmasher with Worldslayer.

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>>54354026
Fucking perfect. I'm doing this.

Thank you random anon! I'll make my play group hate me

does anybody play EDH on MTGO? Is it worth getting into? I basically only play pauper online because no friends play magic and don't have time for game stores, but want to branch out a bit

>>54353159

>>54353477 here with a couple more recommends. Just some good Brion tech to consider
Deathrender
Reya, Dawnbringer
Inheritance
Lifeline
Warstorm Surge
Mimic Vat
Skullclamp
Stalking Vengeance
Colfenor's Urn
Dawnbreak Reclaimer
Nim Deathmantle
Sigil of the New Dawn

is Selvala, explorer returned an elf tribal commander?
I wanna play a GW good stuff/big creatures deck, and I like the look of her ramping abilities. But i'm not sure if i want to go the tribal route

thoughts?

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So Hazoret is the worst one right?

>>54345552
4 damage is a lot better than 3. Like, not just 33% better; almost twice as good. In EDH being able to target players with your burn spells is also almost completely useless. Flame Slash feels like an easy inclusion in most mono red decks.

>>54354345
No, that title belongs to Kefnet.

>>54354345
I think hazoret has a really high power level with some discard tech. Since you don't want cards in hand, it enables some weird interactions and allows you to run all of the red board damage spells because indestructible.

>>54354372
but keefnet is the #2 coolest card in amonkhet according to the amonkhet players guide book!!! how dare you disagree with WOTC

>>54354345
Oketra is fairly reasonable but also kinda dull
Rhonas is fairly stupid but also easy to turn on and trample can be relecant
Bontu is fucking impossible to work with
Hazoret seems terrible but there;s a lot of secret tech you can use with her that's at least fun.
Kefnet isn't GREAT but he has some cool synergies. Usually you'd prefer Patron of the Moon but indestructible is still good.

>>54353945
Maybe Keranos can helm that U/R atrifacts deck i've always wanted to build. Where do I get started?

>>54354481
No idea! I don't really like UR

There are a lot of good artifact synergies you can abuse

>>54354312
She can be with the efficient elf dorks and mass untap effects like To Arms! and Vitalize. It's very easy to go infinite with a Priest of Titania and Umbral Mantle tutored out with Steelshaper's Gift. But she doesn't have to be.

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>>54354522
>>54354312
Have some secret tech

>>54354472
What is that secret tech?

>>54354472
>Bontu is fucking impossible to work with
How so?

>>54354522
>>54354562
hmm, thanks, i'll have to check around. it's either karametra or selvala that i'm considering.
selvala is top pick for now due to her lower cost both mana and money wise

Alright fellas, I'm taking the plunge and building Daretti Stax. Wish me luck.

>>54354692
Good luck!

Hipe your friends don't kill you

not commander related, but there is no thread about it... i haven't played mtg in 10 years and i wanted to make a 6 or 8 players cube to draft with friends. the idea was to design it, buy the exact cards online in bulk, make it as cheap as possible (100 $ or slightly more), possibly use the sweet conspiracy cards.

does anyone already have a list of such cube? any special tip to buy cards for cheap like that or to build the cube?

>>54354766
Cubetutor is a good place to start.

Is Blue/Black a good color combination for EDH?

>>54355002
for casual edh, sure. the only colors you really want to avoid is boros, mono-red and mono-white unless you know what you're doing

>>54354766
if you're in the US you can buy directlu from tcgplayer, they have a cool cart optimizer. you paste in all the cards you want and it picks the best sellers & prices for you, so if you're lucky you only get a few sellers instead of many, which helps the shipping cost.

as for cube, cubetutor is indeed a nice site but otherwise i'd recommend a low power cube with mostly commons and uncommons, that'd be cheap for sure.
there's pauper cubes and budget cubes online
>>54355002
i think so, but im a scrub. I don't really like to be the blue player but if i was i'd play sen triplets (WUB)

>>54355002
Sure. Just don't try to mill people outside of infinite combos, that's usually very ineffective.

>>54353563
how fun of a commander is the Queen? looking at tappedout lists they mostly just seem to turtle and do nothing

>>54355198
It's mostly pillowforts and stax, rarely tokens, card draw is fun I have to say. Monarch encourages combat among players making battlecruiser games faster. Pretty fun for me at least

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>>54355186
>Just don't try to mill people outside of infinite combos, that's usually very ineffective
That's if you're trying to deck them, use their graveyards as your hand

>>54355198
you probably shouldn't be building her unless you want to be on the defensive. or i guess you could also build her as stax and abuse that extra monarch draw to make that stax asymmetrical. idk

>>54346632
Locust God is a faggot. He's like Purphoros and Niv Mizzet rolled into one. What were wizards thinking?

>>54355251
I saw one guy build her as a semi-pillow fort Aristocrats strategy.

>>54352724
Oh, Rhys has his whole horn somewhere, if you know what I mean :^)

>>54345483
Most people will just namedrop the classic removal package, but also consider...

Sneak Attack
Planar Chaos
Goblin Welder
Thieves' Auction
Aggravated Assault

Red isn't very "goodstuffy" though and a lot of the card choices heavily depend on what commander you run - i.e. you'd probably want a Sneak Attack in Feldon rather than Krenko.

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>>54352080
>replacing the GOAT Bruse Tarl art with that trash

>>54352080
what am I even looking at what the fuck

>>54352614
>>54352439
>>54352080
I don't think I've ever seen worse taste in art.

>>54355263
>mill opponents
>externalize their best stuff
>use janky eldrazi processors to recycle the creatures and make more tokens of them
Scarab God is so much fun when you embrace the jank.

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>>54355604
Seconding

>>54354615
You're probably building mono-black goodstuff; Bontu is about as relevant of Spirit of the Night. Yeah, technically she has abilities but her sac outlet effect is so weak and mana intensive that you wouldn't run her in B/x Sac Hijinx. Further, of all the gods she's the only one that NEEDS to be turned on manually every turn, and at some sort of cost at that, so you can't really take advantage of her as a voltron commander like you can the others because she won't be swinging reliably.

>>54354609
It surprises some people to learn this, but there are a number of cards that let you nuke your hand to do horrible, horrible things, you just have to not care about the repercussions. Try Devastating Dreams on for size, and work out from there.

Ok, its the anon who was thinking of building mardu stax. I think I did alright

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/no-favorites-everyone-dies/

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>>54355628
>blinking Wasteland Strangler to continously kill Tajic
Scarab really seems more fun as a mill/reanimate than just zombies, always forget the upkeep trigger too.

>>54355604
Agreed. I'm fairly anti-alter at the best of times but some can at least have a neat concept or a solid execution rather than replacing normally good M:tG art (You're anti-blue-braids? Seriously?) with ultrageneric deviant art vomit

>>54355637
Like this. This is how you Alter. It is recognizably Purph, has a solid and well-executed concept, and bonus points for starting with the Russian card. I probably wouldn't do it to my own but I can at least respect it.

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>>54344682
Can't ever justify running this guy. Curve never works with him.

>>54355763
Do tell, me and my group always forget about Selvala trigger

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What's a good home for pic related?

>>54355906
The garbage bin.

>>54355945
Will be seeing you there I guess

>>54355906
I guess you could use it to deny others the effects of your howling mine.

>>54355665
Bontu isn't great, but can work well as utility and a wincon for a Gravepact deck. You should be running all the decent death trigger effects you can plus Bloodghast, Reassembling Skeleton, and friends. Bontu is a slightly inefficient sac outlet when you need one, can go infinite in a slightly janky way, and can just swing in for commander damage when the board is low on creatures.

>>54355906
Use with static/winter orb, howling mine, key to the city

>>54355906
It can go into literally any deck but making it vaguely useful will take some doing. If you are running a lot, and I mean like 8+ artifacts that 'turn off' when tapped like Winter Orb you might run Relic Barrier to be able to shut them off on demand, but usually you'd be better served with Kill Switch or Clock of Omens.

>>54355906
with winter orb or static orb.

>>54355906
Tap someone's Sol Ring during their upkeep for a dash of salt.

>>54345215
How can you be sure that vizier will be on opponent's graveyard? that's Very specific.

>>54356106
That was the original plan, but then it's just a weaker Null Rod. What other cheap cards are out there to punish early Sol Ring/Mana Crypt adopters? I want to smoke out all the wanky Brago fuckers who run all the broken manarocks.

>>54355831
What do you want to know?

>>54356147
Stony Silence and Kataki are good anti-artifact tech in W. Bonus points if you run Gaddok Teeg hate bears with Containment Priest to further fuck over Brago.

>>54345215
What even is this? Did you try at all?

>>54345580
There's the door, anon. Use it.

>>54356192
>Kataki
Damn that's a good one, forgot about him
Sadly Stony Silence and Null Rod kinda hose me down too, since I don't want to shut down my greaves or SDT in monowhite.

>>54345215
Replace Lazav with Sakashima and dimir with simic and you have something, but that's still hot garbage

>>54344682
I haven't actually tried, but I want to build a deck I could use Jackal pup in, simply because its so fucking cute.

How many board wipes should I run?

>>54356232
Aura of Silence & Seal of Cleansing have the utility of being less than 3CMC (Sun Titan) and function as a rattlesnake to deter opponents' plays.

>>54356376
I usually run somewhere between 4 and 6.
>2 or 3 that hit only creatures
>at least one that hits everything (e.g. Oblivion Stone or Ugin)
>1 or 2 that hit artifacts/enchantments

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R8 outa 8 m8s

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>opponent is playing tier 1 deck
>everybody else is playing silly stuff
>they wombo combo off and play half of their deck
>table teams up and kills them
>they get so salty

come on dude you should see this stuff coming. don't buy a kitten and then get upset when you have a cat.

>>54356747
>taking EDH super seriously in the first place

serves him right for being a faggot

>>54356758
everybody else at the table was really polite too. he took 20 minute turns and nobody complained.

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>>54356587
>copy
Naw

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Not exactly a card, but...

>>54356859
>posting the shitty version of golem tokens
For what purpose? They literally reprinted the good one in MM17.

I built a Doomsday deck with Dralnu at the helm and now my group hates me for it. Should I make that less of a focus and revamp it into more UB spellslinger that can pop a huge Rise From The Tides for a win?

>>54357346

You should talk with your group about what you are all looking for in games of EDH and go from there.

>>54352061
>I'm not fucking buying Animar
When I read this I was expecting him to have suddenly become super expensive, so I looked it up and he's only $25.

Just buy the fucking card, mang.

>>54357346
just cut doomsday completely. most people limit themselves in edh deckbuilding because winning with an ez-mode blowout combo isn't usually fun for anyone, even the person winning after a while

i usually have most of my wincons at least a little telegraphed. that way games don't just devolve to sitting around with counterspells and tutored combos

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>>54357422

>Not knowing /edhg/ is full of angry budgetfags

These people flip their shit if a card is more than a couple burgerbux.

>>54356747
>Combos off with tier 1 deck
>doesn't win on the spot and subsequently gets dunked on

He deserved that loss

>>54357440
lmao if youre spending that much money on the meme format

>>54357459
BINGO

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>>54357474

>Start playing back when Legends was new
>Have a pretty extensive collection of old stuff
>Random retards who started playing in RtR are upset that other people own nice things

>>54356747
>comboes off
>doesn't instantly win
What kimd of janky retarded Johnny combo was he playing?

>>54357474
I think you've mistaken EDH with pauper my poor friend, EDH is pimped decks: the format

>>54357553
why are you replying to me, i'm talking to the guy who thinks its smart to spend 25 dollars on wotc's custom card generation

>>54354372
>kefnet
>kefnet has 'infinite mana: win game' written on him
>vs bontu or hazoret

ok

>>54357474
>being assblasted that people have money to spend on hobbies

>>54357704
>>54357704
>>54357704

>>54357631
i do spend money on mtg, i just think youre a retard if you spend more than 10 dollars on a card

spend a couple of bux on a chinaman animar and then use the remaining 20 bucks on gray merchants

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This seems good. get three wishes and sac it for value. Recur it for more wishes.

>>54357757
why use a 5-10 mana tutor 3 times when you could use three tutors for half that cost?

>>54357757
It's far too costly to actually be useful, and the only benefit is being colorless and the physical card being cheap (because it's shit.)

>>54357432
That's not a bad idea, I can see it getting old too. Most of the deck is just "dig/loot/tutor for Doomsday" and cutting it might lead to some more fun wincons and room for counters/removal

>>54357716
Chinaman fakes aren't good despite what you think.

>>54353563
hail to the queen baby
>>54355198
shes my favorite. i can play defensive or go all out. i also have a lot of voting cards

>>54358057
After buying some fakes, I can safely say you shouldn't. They aren't good enough to be actually indistinguishable from the real deal, and you are still spending money on them. If you actually care about budget just use your printer, and if you want something that looks real then just buy the real thing.

I literally do not understand why budgetfags will buy a fake that costs 2$ plus shipping from China instead of just buying a 20$ card.

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>>54357422
>>54357440
The anon saying he won't buy animar is replying to a post that's a throwback to the police state LGS meme, ie not a serious post.

>>54353159
Bearer of the Heavens

>>54357844
If you are running artificers it could be good, but yeah pretty useless card outside a very specific situation