/btg/ BattleTech General

>>54332192

Its going to need a couple of variant chassis,
one with c3i and cooling pods
one with stripped down armament and two C3 Masters.

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Reposted from previous thread: mech advanced melee combat options.

I've read it over twice now and I can't tell if it's too complicated or not. There's not a lot of extra dice rolls, but a lot of fiddly modifiers.

>>54332206
that could be the name somebody accidently wrote on the shipping manifest.

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>>54332186
Crotchface tonk lolol.

Honk honk, I'm the better tonk.

>>54332223
fuck, i can't unsee it

>>54332219
>>54332210
Well, I think all this is highly retarded, but it's also seemingly a draconis combine mech. Can it make any more sense of making no sense at all with that combination of qualities?

>>54332210
Why would the developers use C3i, when only ComStar and the Word of Blake consistently use the hardware?

As for the 2 C3M version, you're talking about dropping 2 LPPCs to make a 75 ton mech that does a whopping TWENTY damage for what, 26 million c-bills? Why would I build this, especially if my pilots are haunted by a NEET developer who likes to give them the shocker?

>>54332229
Ay, that it is.
I think DC gets kicked around a lot.
Its time they had some good mechs.

>>54332239
Dude, its a 100 years in the future, hardly anything is faction specific anymore. But if you don't like c3i then don't use it.

>>54332239
Cause its better than the Akuma?

>>54332244
>Its time they had some good mechs.
>good mechs.

>What is the Panther?
Hardest-hitting IS Light Mech in the game until the Hollander
>What is the Grand Dragon?
Fast heavy that can run down and kill 80% of IS medium Mechs
>What is the Mauler?
One of the highest-tech IS assault Mechs in TRO 3050 with better ranged firepower than an Atlas
>What is the Hatamoto-chi?
High-tier IS zombie Mech
>What are a ton of Star League-era Mechs for free?
Pure fiat

>good Mechs
Be a bigger muchkin, anon.

>>54332254
Anon, I use C3i where appropriate and all the time if it is. But the DCMS doesn't, and lodged an official REE with the Republic of the Sphere over the Ghost Bears doing so. The system also has a stigma from being used by the Word to stomp on the IS.

>>54332272
Highly debatable. I'd still take the Akuma even with no CASE over LPPC spam.

>>54332285
>Mauler
>Good
Anon, I love the design's looks to bits, but it has 4 goddamn AC2s, and overheats just firing its ERLLs.

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>>54332186
I think I am going to give this one either to the feddies or the FWL.

I wish I knew more about the Cappies.
I honestly don't know shit about their culture/government. I figure its got a lot of "rule by committee" and is the result of centralized planning, to contrast the Lyrans.

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>>54332404

>>54332560
In the old days they're literally the cold war commies (russians and chinese) except with an official citizenship caste system.

After Sunny, they become more like a Chinese version of the Dracs, but more competent. Kinda sucks really.

>>54332404
Instead of the Phawk-L, this is a Garm-L

>>54332186
how much should i be paying for an introductory box set? 260 seems a bit fucking much

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Rate my Cappelan Quad

>>54332285
Jeeze, grognuts, you could have at least picked GOOD DCMS mechs.

>clan nova cat mechs, all of them
>bakeneko
>motherfucking Jenner
>Spider, Venom
>gauss Wolf Traps
>all of the IS omnis they produced
>No-Dachi series of cqc rapists
>big fat AIV bastards outta the ass
>nu-wave omnimechs a la Tenshi, Avalanche
>fat brutish assaults that are good what they do without being gaussturds a la Peacekeeper, Orochi, Naginata
>the S-series hovercraft
>the 3 and 4 jump BA
>the Narukami
>etc etc

>>54332928
Since it originally retailed at either $40 or $60 no more than 100.

>>54332934
Overheating as fuck. The second PR is superfluous, or else the Stealth is.

>>54332928
260 what, pesos?

50$ is a normal price.

>>54332952
Without stealth how will it act as a spotter for its TAG in double blind games?

>>54332960

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/193687685X/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

>>54332988
That's pricebot crap, anon. Get a set on ebay auction when it pops up or better, hunt down one at a local FLGS.

>>54332984
The Stealth costs 10 heat per turn to keep active. So are you planning on turning off the Stealth, then waiting until the next turn to fire, or overheating by 10 on a nonjumping mech?

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>>54333015
How bout a ferro variant as well?

>>54332988
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Battletech-Introductory-Box-Set-2007-Catalyst-35000-/253046098707?hash=item3aeab90b13:g:138AAOSwEH9ZaWZ2

>>54333024
That doesn't answer the initial question ,but It's not bad. It's still limited by the Quad arcs, but I guess it's a decent speedy vehicle hunter and TAGger.

>>54332988

It should be legal to take anyone who runs a pricing bot out behind a building, shoot them in the back of the head, and bill the family (a fair retail price) for the bullet.

>>54332988
Looks like collector bullshit. It seems the box is out of stock largely, and CGL is beset by porches and unable to actually sell products to their customers.

What the hell is with this company.

>>54332944

>>all of the IS omnis they produced

Owens and Strider definitely not, Blackjack is questionable.

>>narukami

Tank, anon. And not until decades after the Alacorn OOC and like a century IC.

>peacekeeper

Anon, no. Just no.

>orochi

Ah yes, the thing that was given to the Dracs so that the Suns could have a TBolt boat.

>>54332285

3025 is relatively even with something of a bias to the Suns because their best and most widespread House mods are energy boat zombies.

3050 is fucked for everyone but especially the Dracs thanks to lolshs, and then you get the Gausswallening of the mid to late '50s that leaves the non-FedCom factions in the dust until Xin Sheng Cappies get a buff.

If bait, at least 7/10. If serious, haha no.

Whats the smallest IS mech with double standard gauss? Are there any IS mechs with double light gauss?

>>54333211
>Owens and Strider definitely not

Noob spotted.

>>54333306
There are plenty dual lgauss. For the other, Galahad/Glass Spider.

>>54333306
>Double Gauss
Sun Cobra, but that's clanner gear.

>Double LGR
A Tian-Zong variant has them, as well as a Legacy.

>>54333328
Glass Spider is the Clan version.

>>54333307

Owens and Strider both have SHS which greatly limits their flexibility.

The Owens also has a shit ton of hardwired EW gear that further limits what the chassis can do.

Neither are great from an Omni standpoint due to those factors, and when you compare them to contemporary designs they fall flat on their faces.

You can make lemonade out of lemons. But it's a lot easier to use designs that are actually good to begin with.

>>54333306

Galahad is the smallest I can think of for both.

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>>54333784
So... FWL Sniper? Maybe Rifleman Variant?

Anything similar come to mind?

Was thinking of giving it Long Range Targeting quirk.

Not often clans get outdistanced.

>>54333801
>Rifleman variant at 70 tons
U wot?
Also, MagShots are mostly Solaris toys, or in use by the AFFS. Otherwise, it's just sort of there. At least you've got LGRs though I suppose.

>>54333817
Its also got laser AMS, which is Solaris.

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>>54331501
It's beautiful

>>54334489
I love you Chinese Lady

The Watch is monitoring this thread. Quickly, act as clan as you can!

>>54334638
FREEBIRTH!!
QUIAFF!
NEG!

>>54334638
Wanna buy some neato Clan components fellow Clanner? Only one trial and some minor property rights on Twycross!

You are not worthy of my Batchall!

>>54334638
REMOVE FREEBORN remove FREEBORN
you are worst Spheroid. you are the spheroid idiot you are the spheroid smell. return to Kurita. to our Nova Cat cousins you may come our clan. you may live in the zoo….ahahahaha , Jade Falcon we will never forgeve you. cetnik rascal FUck but fuck asshole spheroid stink Falcon sqhipere shqipare..Edo genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead spheroid..ahahahahahJADE FALCON WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget Operation Revival .Steiner we kill the king , Steiner return to your precious FedCom….hahahahaha idiot Spheroid and Jade Falcon smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE FREEBORN FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. Davion+Steiner+Marik+Wolf=kill falcon…you will ww2/ Kerensky alive in steel viper, Kerensky making album of steel viper . fast rap Kerensky Steel Viper. we are strong and have isorla now hahahaha ha because of Kerensky… you are ppoor stink spheroid… you live in a hovel hahahaha, you live in a yurt
Kerensky alive numbr one #1 in Steel Viper ….fuck the Falcons ,..FUCKk ashol spheriods no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur flag and clon. Krensky aliv and real strong wizard kill all the spheroid farm aminal with rap magic now we the Vipr rule .ape of the zoo presidant Victor Steiner-Davion fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and Falcon wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of pig. Steel Viper greattst clan

>>54334638
Boy, I sure love working myself to death fixing mechs for no pay, and coming home to my washout ASF pilot trueborn gnome of a wife and our fifteen bugeye kids. And I sure don't sneak off at the earliest opportunity to go visit Elemental Point Commander She-hulk Ward for the loving I really need. Also, those actuators are totally replaced on the Star Commander's Nova and not sold off to some Dark Caste losers for some Kerenskies to buy my elementalfu some sexy black market lingerie.

>>54334930
I'd give an inch off my penis to have either one of those waifus

And I honestly don't have a lot to spare

>>54335054
I'm sorry. I just lost the equivalent of 30 dollars worth of pot cause some idiot threaded the brass fitting on my THC cartridge wrong.

>>54335107
It kind of sent me on a bender. My old man is being a dick about me using the hose and I just had to wash off my car cause I took off with my soda on the roof of my car.

Now I'm looking at porno cause I'm stressed the fuck out and don't know what I'm going to do to manage my back pain until I can afford another cartridge.

>>54335107

Well you shouldn't abuse dangerous drugs. You deserve what Happened, anon.

Any progress on the Land-Air-Tank?

>>54335263
your bait is weak

>>54333157

technically the chairman is appointed by a council. I don't know what you'd call that.

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>>54335283

At the time of Operation Revival did the Wolves let freebirths in any of their frontline clusters?

Or battlemechs, vehicles or regular infantry? Was it just omnis and elementals for frontline clusters?

Trying to get a feel for Wolf frontline, secondline, garrison and solahma forces prior to the Refusal war and don't have sourcebooks handy.

>>54335662
Just download the old Clan Wolf phonebook from the OP folders. It has everything you want to know.

>>54335859
I'm on mobile at the moment and can't really.

>>54335662

Wolves were always known for allowing Freebirths in their military and even had them rise as high as Star Colonel, at least for second-line formation.

It was something the more traditional Clans like the Jags and Cockfalcons were endlessly buttmad at them over.

They'd be far more common in second-line formations than front-line, and there's a lot more known MechWarriors than any other service branch.

Front-line forces in the Invasion era are all exclusively Omni, with a single exception. Phelan has a Wolfhound IIC.

>>54336077
were there any known freebirths in their frontline forces?

>>54336238
Phelan Kell/Wolf/Ward

>>54336434
Wasn't there some reveal that he was actually born in a ironwomb on Outreach with the help of Wolf's Dragoons because Salome Ward couldn't have a baby naturally?

>>54336854
Yeah, but he's still a freebirth because his parents were randos instead of bloodnamed warriors selected and vetted by a scientist caste.

>>54336854
>Dragoons have access to clantech and the ability to build pretty much anything they want
>gobs of clan mechs, elemental suits, etc stored away

Don't get me wrong, I've loved playing as the Dragoons since 3025.

But the Clantech fiat for them was utter nonsense that denigrated them as a faction.

I liked them building their own mechs to try and counter the Clans. But copying Clantech exactly? Never should have happened.

>>54337313
>tfw they were building Mad Cats and Daishis under Outreach even before the invasion

Wayne Waco did the universe a service.

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Tank Sillyness

>>54338013
I don't figger BD is a valid facing for the weapons. Now they're just... inside the tank, somehow?

>>54338113
VLS missiles.

They're metioned sometimes in fluff but are usually set for a facing anyhow.

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>>54338013
>>54338113
VLS tubes?

>>54338182
>>54338243
Well blyat my cykas and call me for babushka.

>>54336077

The Wolf brother were essentially leading a first-rate unit into the inner sphere and their clan trusted them enough with it.

>>54339176
Is this cost effective?
I think maybe its too expensive for a vee

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>>54339176

needs more brrt

>>54339233

>swedish
>requires 1174 black dildoes

figures

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>>54339176
>>54339199
It's certainly a little much for the role of what seems to be high-risk close combat deployment. Vehicles have a notoriously short life expectancy in that role, and especially so since it has unreliable weapons all around.

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I come from /bant/ to give you this image. Do with it what you will.

>>54339813
I still wish for other weight classes of Mech with the Naming convention.

>Ultralight: Huh
>Light: Neat
>Medium: Cool
>Heavy: Radical
>Superheavy: ???

>>54339871
>Superheavy: Overwhelming

>>54339943
Excellent!

How many PPC's and Lasers should it mount?

>>54340002
Yes

Then add one or two more just to be sure.

Captcha
>4508 Places

It doesn't have that many places, but I like the cut of your jib.

>>54339813
well shit

that really is awesome

>>54340047
>Yes
>Then add one or two more just to be sure.
So factoring all the stuff you actually need for a mech like this...how many slots do we actually have available per location?

>>54340256
Superheavies get double crits don't they? Just make it a tripod so it can torsotwist 360*.

>>54340315
That's what I was thinking.

But I was asking about slots because, while doing a Dead Or Alive Impression is good and all...it doesn't mean diddly if we can't shoot things.

I'm thinking six PPCs to begin with.

>>54340365
Start with 6 light PPCs, and 2 snubbies.

The limiting factor is gonna be heatsinks

>>54332214
>>54331854
Needs something to account for gross weight differences. Other than that, doesn't look too bad.

>>54340959
>Literally sitting on a Light as an Atlas

>>54336238

Not named at the time but any warrior who didn't have or didn't earn a Bloodname might have been one.

In the past we know that Joshua and Jaimie Wolf were in Natasha Kerensky's unit. The Wolf Spiders probably had some (other than Phelan) when Natasha got back too.

>>54336854

I don't think he actually came from an Iron Womb, but they definitely used Clan level tech for IVF stuff.

>>54336077
Makes the equipment difference between the Clans add up. Wolves padded their touman with freebirths and so had less equipment, so we got things like Vlad having to rebuild and have battlemechs in frontline clusters and vehicles in secondline etc, while even on their death the Jaguars had IIC mechs in solahma clusters and omnis in secondline and even garrison clusters.

>>54341222

Not really.

First, the Wolves had Omnis in second-line units. Secondly, when the WCSB was written the majority of second-line machines didn't even exist OOC so of course they weren't being used IC.

Then you've got the Wolves tapping out their supply caches to build the Dragoons the first time (about 6 regiments of 'Mechs all up), then supply them through the SW era, then rebuild them again after Misery.

Finally you've got them appearing only as antagonists after the Refusal War with no Thurston-style patron author to pull new warriors and equipment out of their ass to undo all the damage of the previous plotline and set them up for greatness in the next.

>>54341851

>tapping out their supply caches

Mostly tapping them out, I mean. They were finally emptied out after the Refusal War per the Highlander IIC fluff but after going through like 10 regiments supplying the Dragoons small wonder there wasn't much left.

Who else is excited MM is gonna have lams and those transforming tank abominations that look fun as fuck to play with? ..gonna name mine Guntank

>>54342890
>Megamek finally having functional LAM's

You best not be funnin with me, son.

43.3 whenever it comes out should have multipilot cockpits and quadvees. with LAMs due sometime in the future.

>>54342930
>quadvees
Finally time to show my clannaboo friends why the locals refuse to play against my clan hells horses force.

>>54339813
>no people
damn, poor free worlders

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>>54342890
>transforming tank abominations
youre an abomination
QuadVees are cute!

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>>54339676
You post this every thread. Are you trying to meme it sir? I mean it warcrimes admirably but maybe you should expand your horizons with new, innovative, cheap ways to remove kebab and kebab accessories.

>>54339943
Nah, BT is so 80s it should be
>Superheavy: Tubular

>>54344083
>>54339943

Gentlemen please. We need something both solidly 80's and still in use.

The Excellent

>>54344387
I agree Excellent or Righteous.

>>54344387
>not Most Excellent
One job.

>>54332214
>Firing into a grapple incurs a +2 penalty to hit
Shouldn't it be a -2 bonus to shoot at targets which are being restrained?

>and each weapon which hits randomizes (1-3: Grapple initiator, 4-6 Grapple target) which target is actually struck
This should vary with the angle of attack, so that one 'Mech can use another as a shield.

>>54345287
>Firing into a grapple
>Getting a bonus
>Because the other 'mech grappling your target totally isn't in physical contact with your target

I mean sure, if you don't give a damn about friendly fire.

As far as varying with angle of attack, yeah. I'd rather see that reflected as an increase or decrease to the penalty to shoot into the grapple though. The less dicerolling, the better.

How does /tg/ feel about The Society still having a few cells dicking about in the periphery or fronting as mercs throughout the 32nd century. I don't always buy that something got done just because 'the clans said so'. My local groups allow the society well into the dark ages but I've never gotten outside input on the idea.

>>54346102
According to the Clans, the Wolverines were completely wiped out.

I can see there still being a few Society cells knocking about in the deep periphery or 'lost' systems.

>>54346102

Personally I'm kind of over groups thought to have been wiped out coming back bigger and better than ever. Wolverines, Black Dragons, WoB, Society, Knights of the Inner Sphere, Knights of St. Cameron, Cameron/Winson conspiracies, they can all fuck off.

>>54346102

They should have never been wiped out to begin with. The space yiffers and their caste system really needed a credible enemy outside of the clans and I really liked the concept of an army of revolutionaries using SCIENCE! to achieve freedom. Those MUH HONOR MUH ZELLBRIGEN fucks could have really used a savage beating. But never mind, the author pet falcons even went as far as purging their ENTIRE scientist caste and came out better than ever.

>>54346864

To be honest, we never knew where the Wolverines went. They are still skulking somewhere around clanspace and the Minnesota Tribe just disappeared after they ran into ComStar too.

>>54347559
The Scientist caste weren't using science to gain freedom, they were using mad science to keep their petri dish under control. Nothing more, nothing less. If you think they were agitating for better freedoms, you missed the entire Society arc's point.

>>54347579

Their entire point was providing the space yiffers with a DUR HUR HUR LUK HOW EBUL I IM MWAHAHAHAHA enemy so they look less callously evil and opressive in comparison.

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>54347606
Please stop.

I don't get why clan science continues at a breakneck pace. Not only did the Falcons purge their scientist caste, but clans have so many new toys its ridiculous.

When is the Inner Sphere going to catch up? How are MML's supposed to compete with ATG's? How are Heavy Gauss supposed to compete with HAG40's? How are Snub, Heavy, and Light PPC's supposed to compare to Heavy Lasers and ER Pulse Lasers.

Its bad enough the inner sphere hasn't even come close to closing the tech gap, but its actually gotten wider, despite every defeat the clans have been handed.

I mean, if the clans treat their scientists so poorly, why haven't any of them tried to defect?

>>54346864
I wasn't talking about them coming back stronger, just being around at all.

Without the society iATMs and the nova CEWS become olfactory lostech. Coyote considered them dezgra and shelved them.

>>54347736
>How are MML's supposed to compete with ATG's? How are Heavy Gauss supposed to compete with HAG40's? How are Snub, Heavy, and Light PPC's supposed to compare to Heavy Lasers and ER Pulse Lasers.
By being thrown at the Clanners in greater numbers. Business as usual.

>>54347736
Clans get powerful tech, but IS gets variety. And to me at least the tech gap seems like it is actually rather tight by the dark ages.

>>54347626

Couldn't you shoot a lake and scoop up the dead fish?

>>54347736
Really? Let's look at each.

>ATMs v MMLs
Aside from iATMs, standard ATMs are pretty ass. Their launcher sizes are better sure, but their lack of munitions flexibility in exchange for built in Artemis isn't much of a bonus. Meanwhile I'm drowning in Swarm-I paired with TC SRMs with MMLs.

>HGR v HAG-40
Different roles. The HAG is top tier sandblasting sure, but I'd say they fulfill different niches.

>Alternate PPCs versus Alternate Lasers
Heavy Lasers get the exciting choice of a +1 TH or an explosive crit, plus they run hot as fuck to do their damage. ER Pulse meanwhile adds some paltry range in exchange for only being -1, when Clan Pulse is already incredible versus their IS counterparts.

The IS has flexibility all the way around, while Clan gear just hits harder for more BV and heat.

>>54347790
Not really. The PPC would just flash boil the water and incinerate the fish.

>>54347808
IS are paying a "chassis" tax for every additional unit they have to field, and get on average about 50% less tonnage:damage ratio. Clan ranges and damage output are still absurd. And the IS has a lot of failed or dated technologies, while most of their innovations are strictly worse than their standard clan counterparts, with most energy weapons performing around 50% of the range, damage and heat profiles of most energy weapons on average.

The IS simply needs better range and more damage throughput, and throwing more mechs at the problem isn't going to solve that.

>>54347887
Further, nothing the IS produces is strictly better than its clan counterpart. You'd think after a 100 years the IS would have come up with SOMEthing to give the clanners a run for their money, other than the Fafnir and its bitchtits.

IS really has to start mothballing its old tech and purging its inventories. AC's HVAC's, EXLRM's are all obsolete and in the case of the latter two were never that great to begin with.

Both factions have too many laser variations lying around, there needs to be some sort of "breakthrough" that neatly categorizes all lasers. Why not make them fully customizable? Come up with some sort of formula that lets you adjust the maximum damage, range, and pulse on the fly, either during maintenence or during combat in the case of the clans..

>>54347960
So, for instance, you get a large laser that has so many "points" to spend on range and damage, and you're pulse can be set to +1 to hit, +2 to hit, or negates reflective armor. You can overcharge the laser and produce more heat to get more points, but the more heat you produce the less efficient it will be.

The laser would be preset before the battle begins, and Clans would have more than one preset profile.

Also, this seems like as good a time as any to mention that there should really be an improved reflective armor that doesn't have the PPC drawback, maybe reducing laser damage by a quarter, weighing more, or being brittle and taking more damage from kinetic impacts.

The tradeoff is simply not worth it, having a 22 damage clan ER PPC up your ass is not worth half damage on all lasers, no matter how tempting it is to tell the Hellstar to stick it where the sun don't shine.

>>54347900
IS gets the objectively better plasma rifle. The plas cannon is shit. Also all those extra gyro types, I can't be the only one who likes them.

>54348022
You know how I know these theorycrafting posts come from people who don't actually play the fucking game or read how shit works? Posts like this. Reflective armor works on PPCs, you mongoloid.

>>54348022
While these ideas are technically mechanically sound IMHO it starts to lose the plot to those players that only really like all of 5 or 6 weapons in the game to begin with.

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Why does the west have to be so damn retarded when it comes to VR?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr-4iew9oMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WkOIpJjzk

"No thanks, I'd rather play a game about shitting on cars as a pigeon."

>>54348003
Every thread we get these guys who think they have so many (((good))) ideas to "revolutionize" the game. But they can't grasp why things are the way they are to begin with (here's a hint: it isn't because everything is shit).

Even if half the tech gets abandoned grogs and hipsters are still gonna use old tech left and right anyway. To some of us the options aren't overwhelming.

>>54348055
I agree with you, but that's a bit of an outlier.

>>54347736

>When is the Inner Sphere going to catch up?

TR: 3058, anon.

The IS hit the limits of their tech a long time IC and OOC before the Clans did and kept developing a lot more varied tech.

>>54347900

>Further, nothing the IS produces is strictly better than its clan counterpart.

Boosted C3, specialty ammo (Clans don't have most), they had better BA and BA options for specialty roles for a long time and the Clans are barely starting to explore what BA can do in the DA, there's still no Clan counterpart to the Eisensturm...

>>54347756

Last I heard the Stone Lions were still playing around with Nova. Dunno about the iATMs though. The biggest issue is that the Clan Homeworlds have been under radio silence since the Jihad because OOOH MYSTERIOUS and plot advancement has halted because CGL is too understaffed/shit-scared of losing what fans remain to do anything with the Dark Age.

There is nothing really wrong with the dark ages, its just that most of the characters feel like throwaways. I can't track their lineage or get a feel for what they are like outside of the one offs and last stands.

The only characters I really feel invested in are the paladins. Characters need flaws and quirks that make them memorable, even something as hackneyed as a stutter or a speech impediment can make somebody easier to remember.

Who are some of the big names of the dark age era? Devlin Stone, obviously. Damien Redburn. But who else?

Who are the major players? What are they like?

Say I wanted to start reading DA fiction. Where would I start? Are there any good short story compilations?

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>>54347960
>>54348003
I think this is a really good idea.

>>54348347

Pretty much just the heads of the various major bloodlines and their non-union equivalent knock-off faction wannabes.

The ones who did the highest-profile shit are probably the Chancellor, the Davions, Psycobitch McGreenturkeytits and Natasha Kerensky But Better, Honest.

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>https://community.battletechgame.com/forums/threads/9061

IT KEEPS HAPPENING!
Why do all developers tackling the IP have to be so incompetent? I got a kick out of the numerous people who came in to school PGI on just how the fuck you're supposed to do video game graphics.
Seems Hare Brained is no better in this regard and also requires a ton of scolding/teaching by someone who knows their shit in their free time.

>>54348698

>Why do all developers tackling the IP have to be so incompetent?

Because everyone who can do this shit properly works at companies that pay their employees instead of investing in porches.

>>54343926
Oh, this is only the second time I've ever posted it. It was created for the thread before the last, I think.

I do not cogitate my choices that closely, anon. I just sometimes post things.

>>54348698
Traditionally, performance optimization is the last thing done on a game, because you're racing to complete features first (especially with a public beta that was late as it was), and because there's no sense fine-tuning stuff that may have to change anyways. So while it's possible they missed this, it's much more likely that they just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Lets have another round of laughing at the people in the Mechwarrior intros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnBjjeNNoF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l5dDcyX8fE
Look what I found!

What are the top five common Wolf mechs during the Clan Invasion?

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>>54349547
>>54349559
Are we new here?

>>54349796
Wolf, Wolf Wolfer, Wolf Wolfwolf Wolf Wolfington on Wolfwolf Wolf esquire junior, Wolfy Wolf, and Dogfucker.

>>54349796

Ice Ferret, Gargoyle, Adder, Timber Wolf, Naga.

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>>54349459
Anon, these are props we are talking about.
This is definitely not something you make first, then redo on the very last moment becaue they'd be remaking all the maps in the game (all campaign maps and all skirmish maps) from the ground up literally picking and replanting rocks one by one.

Likewise, his comments about the ridiculous handling of drawcalls on mechs is an issue as old as Mechwarrior Online. Numerous times pointed out to be handled in the most imbecile way imaginable in that game, BT seems to have only partially fixed that mess and his suggestion is more than welcome and definitely not something you do once you have all the animations and models already done.

Once he gets around to shaders that's something I'd give them the benefit of the doubt albeit shaders are something that a ton of vidya developers without prior knowledge of working with CGI are scared of.

>>54349846
>Reddit new memes
>mocking someone's question

Fuck off, cancer.

>>54350427
>yiffity yaffity baww

Did I touch a sensitive spot?

>>54345569
With the 50/50 odds of hitting a friendly 'Mech, yeah, the current rule assumes you're okay with friendly fire.

If you want to get rid of the "which 'Mech got hit" roll, you could make it a MoF thing. You hit the wrong target if you miss by 1 when your target is in front of the other 'Mech, by 2 if you're firing from the sides (neither is in front), or by 3 if the wrong 'Mech is in front.

>>54348154
It's an outlier that really shines on some designs, like the M2 Moltke.
Also, Stealth Armor and Shields. Both are nice enough that the Clans use mixtech designs just for them in the Dark Age.

>>54347756
There's no reason at all to believe that the Homeworld Clans actually dropped iATMs. They just need time to re-develop them. I could see them dropping Nova CEWS as dishonorable, but the iATMs are just a really good weapon.
>>54347776
The tightening gap in the DA is largely because the IS is making their own "Clantech" at that point.

>>54342890
>>54342916
What is it about LAMs that don't work in the game right now? I don't think I've ever tried toying with them.

>>54351403
They can't switch modes, which is like their entire thing.

>>54338182
Still an illegal config.

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Mechwarriors! I am writing a brief mercenary campaign for earlier-provided mercenary lance rules, to work as an introduction to the Dark Ages for new players. How would you, personally, feel about being hired to bolster the defenses of Palmyra and the honor to shield the First Prince himself, under direct command of famed military mastermind, Leftenant General Frank Drebin?

>>54350426
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

>>54351840
>Protecting a guy in the undergunned 3/5 pillbox that is the Marksman M1 main battle tank
>When the entire campaign will be them on the run from Drac cavalry

What fresh hell is this?

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>>54351840

Why not put our faith in Blast Hardcheese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY

>>54351840

Didn't the Dracs slaughter them all to the last?

I'd rather not start my campaign with a predestined TPK but whatever.

>>54351949
Yes! Perfect introduction to the setting!

>>54352059
Yup, pretty much. You wouldn't start it, but I would. Now how would you feel about it as a player, though?

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>>54332186
Hey btg, I have question

Is it fine to buy and use the revised Master Rules from 2001? I have played introductory games before with the free manual, but it is difficult to print out the whole rulebook and I hate bringing electronics to the table. In fact, no one in my group enjoys using PDFs. I'd buy Total Warfare if it weren't seventy dollars for a system that might be replaced any time now. I hate to pay more for used copy than the original cost, meanwhile master rules copies are under ten dollars.

So my question is: how close are current BT and master rules BT? how easy is it to transfer systems? Is it wrong to introduce a group to BT with older rules, knowing that they're going to pick up obsolete skills? And, if I do order the master rules, is there a subset of the game or book I can avoid to make sure it's closer to the current standard? for ex, to not use aerospace

Thanks

>>54352059
The dracs took about 7% of the force prisoners, and Caleb and his personal men escaped all that in the cover of the mountains. They didn't get caught until they attempted to make it to the local starport and hitch a ride.

My guess is the GM will allow them the same sort of shot and be able to change history by not fucking up and getting caught by a random patrol, and so actually make it offworld.

What's going to fucking suck for the Palmyra boys is all the incoming orbital fire from the Drac pocket warships which was what destroyed all those ground troops.

>>54352142
Master Rules are 99% the same game as today. Battletech hasn't changed core-wise in forever. It's mostly alterations of how specific weapon systems work, compatibility with ammo types, and new weapons in the new books.

>>54352142
Aside from infantry and a couple of other things, The BMRr is pretty close to what it is now, because BattleTech doesn't go all out on major rules overhauls between editions.

>>54352142
They're perfectly playable, just recognize that certain things have changed between the BMR era and the TW era.

For example, Partial Cover. You move behind a hill that hides you from the waist down, here's how the different books handle it:

>BMR: +3 to hit, roll on the punch chart

>TW: +1 to hit, roll on the full body chart, ignoring hits to the legs

Vehicles used to be a lot more fragile under BMR rules as well. They got a significant durability boost when critical hits to vehicles got revamped. Infantry got a buff too. You used to shoot a platoon with a PPC and 10 of them would die. now you shoot them with a PPC and since its not an anti-infantry weapon, only one man dies.

Given that they're releasing the BattleMech Manual, which forsakes all the non-mech rules to condense the core tourney level mech rules into one book, and that it's the same set of rules as TW has, I dont think they're in any danger of going obsolete.

>>54352135
I'd feel pretty shit having to defend an asshole like Caleb.

>>54352347
Caleb is fun as fuck. He's basically Ian Davion with schizophrenia. The man believes every Davion meme ever. Whoever wrote him in the new CGL books sure had a hateboner for him though. Like "Everyone hated him and nobody cared that he died."

>>54352347
Well, if it's a party of typical PCs and they catch on to Caleb's bullshit, they might just make sure he gets caught. Maybe not turn him over to the Dracs with a handshake, but lure those chasing patrols on the right track and then make their escape.

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>>54352023
So THAT's the origin of "Big McLargehuge".
Very appropriate.
>>54351949
It's the suffering that the Fedsuns fans deserved... Like ten years ago. Now it's just kinda passe.

>>54349796
Well, using the RATs in a way they were never intended to be, gives us this...

Operational Turning Points: Revival Trials (3048) and Era Report 3052 both have the same winners
>Assault: Gargoyle 36.12% chance
>Heavy: Timber Wolf 55.56% chance
>Medium: Ice Ferret 44.45% chance
>Light: Adder 44.45% chance

Additionally, the Dire Wolf is right behind the Gargoyle at 30.55% and the Mist Lynx is second to the adder at 30.55% in 3048 the Hellbringer is the runner up, but in 3052 it fragments into chaos with the addition of the Linebacker.

The Naga isn't taken into consideration because these are all from the front-line RATs. Keep in mind, as well, that the RATs aren't a full or restrictive account of anything, but I think it's interesting to see anyway. You could also look at the Wolf Clan Phonebook, but I would argue it's just as wanting for completeness. There are entire bloodnames and designs not to be seen anywhere in a supposed full accounting of the clan.

TL;DR - >>54350001 has the right of it.

>>54352135
>>54352158

Well, Dracs are straight fucked without Palmyra breaking the AFFS if Caleb gets away, and as a Drac fan I'd rather have our brief moment in the limelight even if it's telegraphed to hell and gone that they only did it to set up Julian saving the Suns.

As a player I would nope the fuck out of that campaign the same way I would a WH30K game where the GM was all "Hey guys, how about we play the Isstvan Dropsite Massacre :^) ?" Just not my cup of tea. If a campaign goes to shit because the group fucks up that's one thing, but being on the designated shitpile from the start isn't for me.

>>54352511

The WCSB frontline 'Mech counts have been posted before, anon.

>>54352612
Have they? any idea what I should search for to find them? I'd love to see what people came up with, I'd been thinking of doing something along those lines myself.

>>54352612
>>54352641
nm, found it.

for anyone else curious: https://yuki.la/tg/51673046#p51686419

>>54352142
Basically, the further you get from mechs, the further the rules are apart. That is, TW changed a bunch of things, but the stuff with mech combat the least (partial cover being the big one). So if you're looking to play mechs only, the BMR is good (but get the revised edition). If you're looking at tanks and infantry, you've got more changes. If you're looking at aero, then there's a lot more again.

Then again, if you're looking at mechs only, just get the new Battlemech Manual when it comes out in a month or so. It's all mechs all the time, but updated rules: more up to date than even TW, but as easy to read as the old BMR.

>>54352142
>if it weren't seventy dollars for a system that might be replaced any time now.

First, I'm pretty sure I got my copy of TW new for $45, so unless you're shipping in from Australia or something...

Second, the Battlemech Manual doesn't actually overwrite total warfare, it just repackages it for easier reading.

Third, while there was a push to get publicity for Alpha Strike, it's been seeming more like a product that has divided the existing player base even further, rather than attracting the players who wanted simpler, more 40K-like play.

>>54352347
And that's okay. Caleb isn't meant to be loved, not even in this campaign. It'll be hinging entirely on how much the players want to cling to useless duty, or do like mercenaries do. Look at the bright side, kid - you get to hold all the buttes.

>>54352612
>Well, Dracs are straight fucked without Palmyra breaking the AFFS if Caleb gets away,

FM:3145 literally says that Caleb makes no difference in the war effort either way. It was losing the Lucien Davion and thirteen AFFS commands that fucked the Combine front.

I don't think AS has had much of a splitting effect. I've read plenty of statements from guys saying "I didn't have time/had lost interest in regular BT, but Alpha Strike brought me back". And the fluff-heavy nature of most BT sourcebooks means that the vast majority appeal to both player bases.

>>54353152
>Caleb isn't meant to be loved, not even in this campaign
Except he's supposed to be charming and affable, especially to the people who work directly under him. What makes him a shit leader is making strange strategic decisions, and going "It'll all work out. We're fookin' Davions, mate!" Well, that and randomly saying something to his imaginary friend every once in awhile.

>>54353204
AS has a splitting effect on the product for the line. There's nothing wrong with putting an AS core book out, or having a few stats in the back of a main plot book like they used to do for Battleforce, but when we had bullshit like the Combat Manuals eating up book slots, that's going too damn far.

>>54353204
It's not the player base I'm worried about splitting. It's the efforts of the understaffed, poorly coordinated, corrupt and laughably inept company that releases sourcebooks for the setting, that I'm worried about dividing their efforts.

>>54353230
That's true, though they've made some effort to keep books attractive to both bases. In the case of the Combat Manuals, some in each player batch were happy, some not so much (more on the BT side than the AS side).

>>54353171

The AFFS won't have its morale broken quite as badly and will have a gallant First Prince to rally for.

I guess as a Dracfag maybe I'm pessimistic about their chances but every other similar plotline has played out that way.

>>54353577
Not really. It didn't break the AFFS morale when Ian died on Mallory's World. It didn't break when Harrison died. It didn't break when they originally thought Caleb died on New Hessen.

If anything, it's this low morale thing that's new. And most of that isn't from the Prince dying, but rather the Prince holding back forces from his March Lords and making them fend for themselves. As a Dracfag, you remember this almost exact same thing happening to the Dracs in the Jihad in the Benjamin District and similar low morale. Ironically, it was the Bears riding in that saved the day there.

You know it's funny. The same way the Dracs have irritatingly been portrayed as impotent and needing saving from the outside since the Clan Invasion, now that the same thing is going on with the Suns, people aren't bitching about the impotent part but rather the saving part.

>>54353719

Suns don't need saving from the outside though, they have Julian.

And part of what fucked the Suns over is not having anyone qualified to take the reins when Caleb got ganked. That's why the Suns didn't falter in the 3rd SW; Ian wasn't as good a leader as Hanse, but at least someone was able to step up. The AFFS and Suns more generally got paralysed because of the competing claims for the throne but nobody could openly declare they wanted the crown with Julian out there.

/btg/ what's your opinion on the Goliath? Any 3039 era refits that can be done to improve it? It seems like a reasonable 4/6 80 tonner.

Am I the only one who thinks that the palmyra debacle is the height of hypocrisy on a meta level? Not in the the "my faction's dick is bigger than your faction's dick" sense, but they go and they extinct warships from the setting "because it gets in the way of the ground game" and then they just go and bombard away 1/3rd of the AFFS with pocket warships. No grand battle, no drama, just a bunch of one-sided, impersonal missiles.

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>>54354042
Forgot pic!

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>>54354042
Nice, I use it from time to time, but not enough legs...

>>54354091
Dayumn.

>>54353905
>they have Julian.

A man exiled from the realm for more than fifteen years leading the last pieces of the force Prince Harrison brought to Terra to fight Levin's Civil War and a hodgepodge of Republic Remnants and Steiners. He's not exactly a local anymore.

I would say the greater problem was losing the actual March Lords at almost the same time. That's cutting all three heads off the hydra at once. Imagine if you had Duke Sandoval on the throne at New Avalon instead of lying in a ditch even if Robinson itself was still in enemy hands. But almost everyone qualified not just for the title of First Prince but the next tier or two of nobility down pretty much all died in a matter of a few years.

That little shit Erik surviving Tikonov to become Regent is so fucking great though. That guy's arc has probably been my absolute favorite. You hate him so bad when reading his original book on Achernar but by Fortress Republic, he's the best Davion in the DA novels. Imagine going from soft exile from the home family to the Republic to running the whole Suns within twenty years. Fucking Swordsworn running the Fedsuns. How does this not come up more often?

>>54354150
Personally, I never stopped disliking Erik. He has the MWDA taint on him.

>>54354072
Well, the Davions did have a pretty nice warship there, one of the few canon models that actually has anti-missile screen launchers. But fuck support for it apparently. A merc unit mobbed it to death with regular old ASF's.

>dracs can't even get credit for killing the last Avalon cruiser

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>>54354072

They wanted to do an "OMG you guys, the Suns is totally under threat here!" arc except the only way to make that happen given the Dracs make pic related look like a polymath genius is to sabotage the Suns, give the Dracs an ally in the Ravens let the Liaos Just As Planned, and have all the actual heavy lifting done by the Dragoons. And all because they had to have the Dracs be such god damn retards all the fucking time instead of letting them actually be good. Like, ever.

That Julian has been so obviously set up as the hero the Suns need in their hour of darkness only makes it more annoying. The other shoe is clearly about to drop, and drop /hard/ to serve the plotline they really want to do.

>>54354042

Consolidate the LRM-10s into a single LRM-15, add a ton of LRM ammo, rip the MGs out and install 4 MLs. Not very inventive, but it will get the job done.

>>54354042
>>54354083
I had one mission where a hero has a suped-up Shadow Hawk using clan tech just had to get through a field guarded by a pair of Goliaths. They stopped that thing cold and stopped the campaign right there.

>>54354211

>tfw the Suns get a ship with Screen Launchers before the Dracs who invented them do

>>54354258
I'm not saying "don't have a Palmyra Debacle" I'm saying "have a Palmyra Debacle that we can play out"

as it is, the whole thing is over in like... a paragraph. There's no scenario to play out from either side. What I'm suggesting is that they get betrayed, just as depicted. Have the heart of the invasion forces assemble planetside, only to find themselves in a desperate fight for their lives when the Ravens turn coat and hold a gun to their jumpships. You really like the summary execution by bombardment better than getting some battles to fight? I sure don't.

>>54354353

If they fought it conventionally the AFFS would have gutted the Ravens and Dracs and prevented them from making a successful assault on the Suns.

The Dracs were written as being too weak and retarded to win any other way. To make any kind of victory plausible they had to delete like a third of the AFFS off-screen.

There are ways to fix it but you need to go back to at least the Jihad if not the 4th SW. Unfortunately that's what you get when you write a faction as a bunch of Snidely Whiplash types who can't fight their way out of a paper bag and have to be constantly rescued by contrivance.

>>54335140
You can combine acetaminophen (tylenol) and NSAIDS, but don't combine multiple NSAIDS, you'll just fuck your liver. Add in a topical menthol rub (I recommend an 11% menthol blend, like extra strength white tiger balm or Coralite) and it helps a lot.

>>54354353
I agree with you in principle. Same reason the second battle for Gibson blows so hard. All that cool supertech shit wasted without a real proper ground fight. But this guy is right in his analysis >>54354444

Feddies would have wiped the floor with anyone at Palmyra in a conventional fight. In a time when there's less forces in the Inner Sphere than the year 3000, Caleb got together over triple what old Hanse used to take Tikonov in 3028. That's a shit ton of men and mechs.

>>54354444
>>54354523
If it was ALL the Feddies, sure. But you guys are making the same mistake as CGL, getting wrapped up in all-or-nothing. Kill off, and/or spook off some of the forces, and have a fraction of the forces engaged in a straight up fight that they lose.

All this really says to me is that the entire plot is retarded, and should never have even begun to happen. If you have to resort to stupid shit like that to force your plot through, it means you did an abominable job setting up for it to begin with.

The facebook page is posting about 2nd Succession War coming soon. Why would you do that? Why would you get people riled up when you can't even take fifteen minutes out of your day to upload a goddamn PDF?

>>54354930

Much like clanners we dont really need a reason to fight.

Meet me in the Circle of Shitposting, stravag!

The idiotic thing about palayma and the dark age dractardation is that literally all they'd need to be an actual threat to the suns is NOT KILLING OFF THE FUCKING NOVA CATS FOR NO REASON BUT TO BE EDGY AND RETARDED
Like fuck

Despite the constant reminder of the retardation of the Combine, I am under the impression that the faction is technologically at a position of advantage unheard of in the timeline. Native inner sphere technology, natively produced clan technology, the bounty of equipment and production lines seized from Nova Cats in the previous years, new fleet assets with access to lithium-fusion batteries, and smattering of what appear to be WoB and RoS technology such as VSPLs and TSEMP, etc?

And more than that, there is a general theme of less stupid designs appearing than before. The omnimechs and clan equipment funneled to DCMS seem particularily... well, intelligent, for things given to drac consumption.

>>54355900
We all knew that shit was coming.

>Kill the ruling family
>Put a puppet on the throne
>One true heir survives
>One of the three Warlords supports loyalty and true heir
>Nova Cats side with her because muh honor and loyalty

The only miracle was the Combine didn't totally gut itself in the civil war.

>>54355900

I dont even get whats with the Nova Cats.

>dream tells them to go over to dracs, we new star leaege nao
>lol no, we will just dissolve it ten years later
>also, retarded wars
>also, your' ded hahah u mad quiaff? quiaff? hahah
>we black dragon now!
>haha inbred wolf ilclan hahaha hanse davions grandson is a clanner haha look he is a clanner hahahahah
>I sure do love dark age! only if we could have minobu tetsuhararas retarded granddaughter a schizo davion and some retarded furry new OC clan in here haha that would be choice!


I want a reboot.

>>54355949
Don't forget all the sweet native clantech and mech lines when they took Robinson.

>>54356032
What exactly did Robinson produce? Especially in terms of clantech?

>>54356359
Nevermind. I just realized all the Exostar stuff is made on Delevan

>>54355949
>I am under the impression that the faction is technologically at a position of advantage unheard of in the timeline

Your impression is correct. The Drac have a patron author (and line dev) in the person of Ben Rome. They are now every bit as fiat-ridden as the Davions and Cappies on their worst (best?) days.

>>54352511
Thanks m8

Any rough idea for vehicles, aerospace fighters, etc that are definitively Wolf designs?

>>54356591
Invasion Era?

During the invasion, most of the frontline forces are going to be strongly mech, elemental and aero oriented.

ASF-wise, the Jagatai is the premier wolf heavy omnifighter. Lots of Visigoths too due to the longevity of the design and interactions with clan jade falcon. Really though, there isn't a wide enough diversity of ASFs to give each clan a distinct feel for it's aero units.

Likewise, no one really seems to be working very hard to maintain exclusive access to particular vehicles. In the Wolves you'd probably see a lot of Ares tanks, some of the up-teched star league stuff like the demolisher clan, some of the stuff you also see in the Dragoons like the Maxim and Bandit.

Later on, they get the Carnivore which is one of the better things to come out of the dark ages.

>>54356657
It does, there used to be a variant of the armor that took half damage from lasers, but was devoured by PPCs.

Now it's just ballistic/energy weapon specific armors. Regardless of the fact that reactive armor is only really effective against HEAT rounds, so gauss rifles and machineguns should work great.

>>54352762
Thanks for reminding me of how stupidly low unit counts are in Battletech. If they retcon anything, please let it be this.

>>54356872
it really was designed by people with no sense of scale, wasn't it?

>>54356872
>Not decimating the populations instead, since every planet is already written like it only has a few major cities with a few million people in each anyway.

>>54356872

My favorite thing about the fucked scale is how all clans combined, with all their sibkos and solahmas barely have a million warrior caste members together.

>>54356872
>>54356940
>not doing both

>>54356892
Very much so.
>>54356940
Again, because the original authors had no idea what they were doing when it came to scale.

>>54357021
But I do, anon
Every world gets 1-2 zeros knocked off and every unit gets upsized two steps (IE every regiment is now a division)
There, easy

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>>54354320
>Shadowhawk vs Goliath
Dougram!

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>>54353719
>Not really. It didn't break the AFFS morale when Ian died on Mallory's World.

That's because Morgan Kell was there to keep the Kurita's from taking his corpse and mech as a trophy.

>>54347887

Additional chassis are additional armor, however. Regardless of tech level, the number of armor dots that can go on any given tonnage remains the same.

Clan forces tend to be glass cannons in comparison to their IS counterparts.

>>54356560

>Ben rome
>patron author

Friendo, have you read Rome's stuff about the Combine? Like, you know, the utter retardation that is HB: HK, where you can't turn around without tripping over Black Dragons, POWs have to be slaughtered to the last before the end of every campaign, and so on and so forth?

>>54356003

>The only miracle was the Combine didn't totally gut itself in the civil war.

That's coming.

>>54355949

Everyone has LF and it's been a standard upgrade on things for a long time. TSEMP and VSPLs are freely available if not widely used. Everyone (except maybe the Liaos?) has some degree of native Clan tech. In terms of design quality, yes, things have gotten way better. Of course, when you're used to turds like the PNT-10K, HTM-27Ts, AS7-Ks, Chimeras, and Ninja-Tos it's very easy to improve design quality. For all that things like the Tenshi represent a base quality level increase, they *still* aren't as good as designs from the height of the Clan Invasion/FCCW era that the Suns still have. Indeed, overall TR: 3145 Drac is still one of the weakest in the in the series due to how bad the base production version of the more common new machines are.

>>54358076
Yeah, except unlike the anime, the Shad became sad as it was torn apart. No one-shot kills there.
Though that anime was awesome.

>>54356852

Reflective Armour has never worked like that, not even in the Tactical Handbook where it was first introduced.

And if you mean Reactive rather than Reflective, the same applies.

Either you had someone with pants on head retarded house rules or you're not really familiar with how stuff works.

>>54358892
No, I remember reading about some kind of crystalline anti-laser armor Glazed or Glazer or some shit that practically evaporated under PPC fire. It was on Sarna though.

And I said there was a -variant- of the armor, not that it was Laser Reflective armor. Please take the pants off your own damn head before making accusations.

>>54359012

>It was on Sarna though.

... and there's your problem.

Glazed/Glazer armour has been reconned out in favour of Reflective which it canonically has always been and only took +50% damage any way. Those old rules were fucked from the outset since the fluff reason PPCs do more damage is electrical conductivity when PPCs have always done their damage due to heat which is what the armour is supposed to protect against and electical arcing is little more than an SFX gribbly to keep the audience entertained.

>>54359012
That was from the very ancient and very retconned Tech Handbook

>>54359871
Dark and Ancient ramblings not meant for Man's eyes?

>>54359990
Just like Unbound.

Is anybody else getting 504'd when they try to visit the OF? I think they might be down again.

>>54358147
>You will never make a novelty goblet out of Ian Davion's skull and make up some bullshit about honoring your enemy by thinking of him every time you get a little thirsty.

Whatever happened to being the fun kind of Combine evil?

>>54361028
for much of the morning, then it was back for a bit, and now I'm getting 504 again.

I hear Catalyst is on its last legs for real this time. What happens to the license? Goes back to Topps?

Is there rules for underwater combat somewhere? Having mechs implode because they got a hole in them sounds radical.

>>54361371
In the main books, though the BMM has most of what you'll actually use. TacOps has stuff involving deeper depths, including crush depth.

>>54361400
Wicked, thanks anon!

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>>54361301
><- pic related
CGL and BattleTech have been declared dead or dying more times than Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! Ain't none of those proclamations been right yet, ain't gonna believe this one now.

>>54351840
>>54352023
I like your taste.
I love cornball stuff.

>>54361301

License goes back to Topps, game either dies because anyone with the cash to invest can see what a clusterfuck the existing material is and how the existing player base responds to large-scale change in lore or mechanics OR game continues to go on as it is because CGL restructures into Totally Not CGL You Guys Even Though We're All The Same People and Topps gives them the license back because hey, free money.

Sucks to say but I think the window to rejuvenate BT has passed. Two or three years ago it was in a decline but the right moves might have saved it. Now, I can't see them pulling it off.

Battletech dying is a real thing this time I think. And does anybody think wiesman would pick up the license?

I don't know that battletech is dying, its just.. changing.

>>54361724
>>54361742
I don't think it's dying just yet, merely shifting to something else. Old, true, CBT may be going the way of the dustbin, but BattleTech as a license and product will exist still.

>>54361724
2000 to 2007 we didn't have a damn box set, and the one from 2000 was cardboard cutouts. Ease off the doomsaying. Their publishing has been pretty consistent with the last seventeen years. What they haven't done is push the fucking metaplot forward.

>>54361774

Yeah, but the difference this time is in the degree.

They've lost Herb and Rome, they've promoted factionfag writers and dipshits like Alex Knight to the rules and balance team, they can't or won't fulfill orders from the BattleShop, the player base continues to dwindle, there's no box set to draw in new blood, the metaplot has stalled so bad they've run back to the SW era to try and keep the lights on, etc.

It's never been this bad and I really can't see it getting any better. Unless it turns out that Evans is a fucking savant I think it's safe to say that we've gone from palliative care to death watch.

>>54361826
In short, this is the same shit that turned Shadowrun 5E and it's supplements into such a shitshow.

CGL needs to go and stay go.

>>54361826
>It's never been this bad

It's like you weren't around for Forever 67. Nothing but old FCCW shit, slight updated reprints of old TRO's and Handbooks which are basically just the old Housebooks with a new coat of paint. For over five years straight. Call me in 2020, and I'll listen then. This year of the Succession Wars is no different than Year of the Star League. And a much better year since it's shit I actually care about and less margin to totally fuck up like the mess that was fleets and shit in the revised SL era.

>>54361921

>It's like you weren't around for Forever 67.

I was though. And even that offered the option of getting the official MWDA->BT conversions and playing with new units under existing rules or at least following fluff developments.

Now they're just stalled completely.

And the worst part is that it's not like they didn't have an opportunity to avoid this outcome, they've just been to incompetent, nepotistic, or disinterested.

What's really pissing me off is where the FUCK are the novels? And from what I've heard D&D Dragonfire is their last gasp for money.

>>54362016
>they've just been to incompetent, nepotistic, or disinterested.
Why do people look in from the outside of a process and say "Doing [thing X] MUST be piss-easy!" when they know exactly fuck-all about what goes into actually doing [thing X]? Because [thing X] is NEVER as easy as outsiders assume.
Hell, politics basically RUNS on this shit, and look how fucked up THAT always gets when the outsiders finally get the job they assumed was piss-easy. Because it ALWAYS turns out that [thing X] makes the torment of Sisyphus look like a day at the beach.

>>54362197
Okay, so it's hard.

That doesn't make them any less incopetent, nepotistic, and disinterested.

>>54362016
Literally all they need to keep the ball rolling is ilClan and a new box set. It's not rocket science. Boy they need to get that shit out this year though.

>>54362197
Dude, people have jobs that are way more demanding than writing average Sci Fi stories for a war game and we all have to handle with problems. Somehow we can manage to do our things while CGL spits excuses to justify their failures that no one here could use in their job. We may have only an outside view of the problems, but we all know incompetence and bad luck don't look alike

>>54362129
ROC has the print rights to the novels, because again, FASA were idiots. In fact, 99% of the problems CGL is facing today boils down to the fact that the property isn't all one piece.

>>54362240
Look to GenCon then. That's when everything is supposed to come out. As it's been for the past decade.

>>54362197

Dude. No.

Not trusting fly-by-night Chinese companies who you know might abscond with your shit leaving you with no way to go after them isn't rocket science, but CGL does this a lot.

Not letting someone embezzle almost a million bucks and then not pay it back isn't genius-level shit but CGL can't get that right.

Not admitting defeat on the E-Store front and letting DTRPG handle it for them, same deal.

Not putting out shitty small e-pubs about planets nobody gives a fuck about so writers can make in-jokes or come up with rules for wierd and wonderful things when they could instead be writing substantial content? Ditto.

Yes, I'm aware that things are never as easy on the inside as on the outside. I'm a high school teacher, you would not *believe* the shit that gets said to and about us, up to and including "Well if you were a better teacher maybe little Shitlord von Entitlement the Third* wouldn't have had an autistic fit and slammed someone else through a glass window even though for the last fucking six months straight you've been doing everything you can to get him out of a mainstream classroom and into special ed but were refused because we, the parents, know exactly how he behaves when we're not around :^)."

There's a difference between that and "Hey, maybe if you want to do a job you need to execute it with a basic level of competence that has been sorely lacking for most of a decade if not longer."

*Names changed to protect the fucking retarded who should never have been allowed to breed in the first place.

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Iajutsu: This Combine mech is said to be haunted by its creator, who was electrocuted while working on its complex capacitor system. Pilots report constant sparks and electric shocks inside the cockpit faraday cage, despite its electronics systems rugged reliability.

Roach: A mech given to those who have dishonored themselves or made enemies in house Liao, the Roach is seen as a dismal posting. Despite its reputation and difficulty to maintain, it is a solid performer in the field, acting as a fast camouflaged artillery spotter.

Rockabilly or Lil' Rocker: Its official name still pending, this new mech is tegarded by many Federated Suns as "fun to pilot" and highly sought after by daredevils and adrenaline junkies for its high speed, relatively high firepower and durable rocker seat. It is often used in hit and run attacks, so the pilot can allow the RAC to cool between engagements.

Cross: (Name pending) This mech is a late design by the FWL that is meant to take advantage of the IS new technology and keep pace with clan ranges. It has excellent targeting capabilities at long range, but has not yet achieved volume production due to its high price tag.

Black Dragon: (name pending) This mech was highly touted by its patron corporation as a solution to the need for fast, heavy mech suited to close range engagements, when it was revealed during its premier that its cockpit cannot eject. Despite this, it has a good reputation as a solid performer and is often sought by those seeking vengeance upon their foes, due to its high probability of destroying an enemy cockpit in melee engagements.

Quirks
Iajutsu: Hard to Pilot
Rockabilly: Easy to Pilot, Rumble Seat
Black Dragon: Easy to Pilot, No Ejection
Roach: Hard to Maintain, Bad Reputation
Cross: Long Range Targeting

>>54362292
>Not admitting defeat on the E-Store front and letting DTRPG handle it for them, same deal.
Fuck you buddy. I don't want watermarked PDFs, and I sure as shit don't want marked PDFs when I'm sharing with the community.

>>54362292
>I'm a high school teacher
All opinions discarded lel. What promising career did you fail at that you had to become a teacher? Or were you so deluded as to think it would be a good career choice?

>>54362361
You know motherfucker, this actually got me. Not even that anon, but fuck you. Teaching is a noble and amazing profession and good on him that he gives enough of a shit about the future that he is willing to devote his life to teaching kids, a thankless job because of self-important fucks like you who look down your uneducated noses at teachers.

Fuck you, shitstain. Teaching anon is a better man than you'll ever fucking be because at least he tries, you just wallow in your own stew of shit.

>>54362292
>Not admitting defeat on the E-Store front and letting DTRPG handle it for them, same deal.
Bro, apart from what >>54362325 said, the DTRPG price-tag on a pdf does not mention that the huge goddamn bite OBS takes out of every sale basically wipes out the original makers' profit-margin. Not to mention that OBS does not sell physical products other than POD, which is not something BT does.

FWIW, though, I salute you, brave teacher. King Midas ain't got enough gold to make me do that job.

>>54362325

OTOH, the BattleStore is basically non-functional for the majority of users since it's so fucked up, even on the PDF front. Most people who try to use it are swearing off and telling others to go elsewhere as a result. Non-watermarked PDFs are nice for a variety of reasons not related to filesharing but CGL clearly can't operate a shop.

DTRPG demonstrably can.

>>54362361

>hurr i'm a neet, that makes me better than someone who has three degrees and is gainfully employed

They released Embers of War and I didn't see any ROC label on it anywhere.

>>54362361
Aww that's adorable. Graduate high school yet?

>>54362479

AFAIK they either got the rights back wholesale or got the rights to do e-pubs of the old books and compilatins of BC stuff but not new physical copies, I forget which.

>>54362479
The BattleCorps books are considered short story compilations and gamebooks, rather than novels. One of the more recently releases actually includes mech stats to get around the restriction, iirc.

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>>54362479
Where's my dead tree motherfucker? They can write novels all they want. It's the print that kills them.

>tfw never picked up the physical copy of Bonfire from Gencon 2008 before they found that out
>tfw missed out on the physical copy of Battlecorps Compilation 6 too

PDF's are for quick search and reference. Paper is for actually reading. I want my paper, damn it.

>>54362567
>PDF's are for quick search and reference. Paper is for actually reading. I want my paper, damn it.

You frails make me sick.

>>54362672
It is the ancient balance. Buy the paper, pirate the PDF. Which reminds me. Anybody get the last few nonsense touring the stars and spotlight pdf's? I might actually have to shell out to get up to date.

Also
>not having six full shelves of Battletech books and boxes and stuff
I was digging through it the other day and totally forgot I had a really nice DA collection of cards and dossiers. I need to scan my DA weather cards to make a cheap ass draw deck for random weather effect in pickup for regular BT.

>>54362197
Your entire argument is nullified by the fact that WE aren't the ones in charge. THEY are. And they suck at they're jobs. You can't argue that point.

>>54362864
If you had any skill, you'd have your own franchise for people to bitch about.

>>54362864
Not to go all Randian, but blaming other people for your own ineptitude and failures will only get you so far. If you truly are the ubermench you say you are, you would already be in a position of power.

You can't blame the world for your own failings.

>>54362987
and honestly, the last thing people want to hear about after busting their butts trying to improve or change the system is how incompetent they are or how unfair it is.

>>54363004
>>54362987
>>54362959
that being said, you might have a couple of legitimate criticisms. But the way you phrase them makes them sound toxic.

>>54362318
so what do you guys think?

>>54363134
They're not very good, but you'll keep posting them.

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>>54362421
>>54362434
>>54362527
Wow, good to see TIDF in the thread.
I honestly don't know why anyone would choose such a shitty job besides inherent laziness. Was a long summer vacation that appealing to you? Or were you just so afraid of getting a real job that you decided to stay in school your whole life?
I like how you accuse people who ridicule you of being a NEET. You are so mad that anyone would insult your job that you claim that anyone who doesn't respect highschool teachers, of all people, are "uneducated", a NEET, or you accuse them of being underage. You have failed at life, and you are so unreasonably mad about it that you cannot think of anything to say except for "hurr hurr, ur a retard".
Have fun having to work a second job if you want any real income.

>>54363149
>ignore contributions
>continue to shitpost

>>54363205
Did it never occur to you that you're a fucking idiot? If you only want shitty people to become teachers, of course education is going to suffer.

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>>54363256
All those mechs but maybe the first one have been posted multiple times and discussed, hell, three of them in the last thread alone. There's been no changes to the designs, you're just reposting. So yes, I'll shitpost your shit designs.

>>54363256
Well... >>54363278 isn't wrong. At least try to improve them on the feedback you got last thread before you repost.

>>54363260
It doesn't matter if I want teaching to be a highly skilled profession with good wages, it isn't. Any teacher in the public school system is there because they are skilled enough for a job that requires college education but not skilled enough for a well paying one. The only good teachers are found in private systems, where there is an actual level of standards.

>>54363278

I bet Caleb had a six foot poster of this in his bedroom on the First Sun.

>>54363289
>>54363278
I have been. The Roach was a DC mech that I made that I scrapped cause I was getting lukewarm responses from its twin snubs/ targeting comp and it not fitting the fluff. The Iajutsu was renamed because the original name had already been taken. The Cross is brand new. I added fluff and changed the name of the Black Dragon, I compiled and added all their quirks and wrote all the fluff you see now, then compiled them all into one listing.

You just think its nothing because you don't contribute anything and have no idea how much work goes into designing a good mech and posting them here.

>>54363364
>Waaaah, making stuff is hard.

Or maybe I don't post shit because I vet it first. Not everyone here is a mommy or daddy proud to put your fingerpaintings on the refrigerator.

>>54363396
What the fuck do you want for free?

>>54363205

>long summer vacation

Ahahahaha. No.

We spend "vacation" time working. Usually unpaid. Either doing PD to improve our skills, often at our own expense because why would anyone think education is important enough to train educators, or writing new unit plans, or developing new resources, or writing lesson plans.

>>54363299

>Any teacher in the public school system is there because they are skilled enough for a job that requires college education but not skilled enough for a well paying one.

... he said, completely unaware that many educators don't want to work in private institutions because they dictate batshit insane policies like teaching intelligent design in biology, or don't want to teach religious education, or just plain think that the vast majority of students are in the public system and deserve a decent education. Or because they plain don't want to have to move for their job and find the private system as elitist as fuck without any significant improvement over the public system other than "lol we selected everyone who was academically inclined, surprise surprise our averages are better."


But hey. Let's say that teachers really are lazy and incompetent. You still owe all of your success in life to them, so how does that make you feel?

BRB, building a machine to harness the REEEE this will create. It should provide enough renewable energy to power the universe forever.

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>>54363364
Anon, please. You're slapping on maybe 3 lines of text and poorly chosen quirks to barely functional designs. The Roach hasn't changed at all, according to that picture, it's still got 2 plasma rifles and stealth, when I told you that the second wasn't going to work with the armor on. Next, you posted the Iajutsu in the other thread, and I pointed out that it has low firepower and is apparently an Omnimech with no other configurations. Third, you posted the Cross at some point in the last two days, and the fluff doesn't make any sense with the equipment it's using, but fuck that, right? The Black Dragon is oversinked if you wanted consistent TSM

Also, since you seem to think designing and posting mechs is hard, here's one of my customs folders. There are 48 Persei in there. If you can't figure out what that means, too bad.

>>54362864
>Your entire argument is nullified by the fact that WE aren't the ones in charge. THEY are. And they suck at they're jobs. You can't argue that point.
Please go back and re-read what I wrote: I specifically said that outsiders PERCEIVE black-box organisations as incompetent because those outsiders don't know what's actually going on within. Personally, I choose not to partake of that logical fallacy. I choose to believe that CGL are doing their damnedest to ensure BattleTech survives and thrives, but they are facing serious obstacles and logistical logjams.
IMO, we just don't have the data to know for certain what the problems may be at CGL. In the absence of that data, I choose not to assume incompetence when better explanations may lie in enemy action and bureaucracy (if that's not a tautology).
Maybe I'm being overly kind by taking that generous view. Maybe those who take the darker interpretation are right, and not just being caustic assholes, as they appear to my eyes. But given how many assholes there already are in the world, I'd rather be kind than caustic. (If nothing else, if only to stand out from the crowd!)

>>54363299
>The only good teachers are found in private systems, where there is an actual level of standards.
Seriously? By that logic, mercenaries IRL would all be Wolf's Dragoons (or Mike Hoare's 5 Commando). Take a look at the 'professional' outfits like Blackwater (or whateverthefuck they call themselves these days): at BEST, they're Wilson's goddamn Hussars. At worst, they're pirate band #69874.

>>54363396

No one asked for your shit. You're not in demand. You posted for feedback, you get feedback. If you want asspats, show daddy instead.

>>54363465
That's some nice false equivalence you have going there. Teachers are completely different from soldiers.

>>54363440
Oh wow, people who can't compete don't want to work in the private system that encourages competition between teachers and students. What a surprise. And don't feed me crap about teachers spending their whole summer working. Most teachers still get a decent 3 weeks of vacation, on top of working at summer schools and doing their own education. In addition, continuing to advance yourself in your occupation outside of work time is not extraordinary, anyone with a job that requires more qualification than a McDonald's register girl does it.
In addition, most children do not owe their success to their teachers. They owe their success to their textbooks, their parents, and their own work studying. I have never met a teacher who does not simply rephrase the textbook when teaching. We would be almost as well off assigning textbooks and telling children to work through them.

>>54363465

OTOH, it's not as black-box as all that.

Granted, it could be easy to dismiss the following as the kvetching of disgruntled former employees but there is a point at which it all starts sounding pretty similar and the more probable answer is just that CGL are chronic fuckups.

-China: In their quest for the almighty lowest dollar quote, CGL keeps sending production there. This results in product that is massively delayed at best, or the companies telling CGL to fuck off and keeping the money as what happened with Leviathans (and was part of what led to the demise of the line). This means they can't get reliable estimates of delivery dates which annoys the fanbase, and means they are vulnerable to having their shit held hostage to the whims of another company with little to no legal recourse. Sure, they saved some money, but they got what they paid for.

-Cash flow issues. We know this has been a perennial problem and has only gotten worse since the Porchbux incident. This is related to the next point and the one above; they don't have the money to do what needs to be done, and they don't have the money to hire and retain staff.

-Staff is at the least small and overworked if you don't buy into the idiotic and incompetent argument. They did have writers like Stackpole but wouldn't pay them, they keep making appeals to their volunteer staff to explain why the shop keeps fucking everything up, and they constantly say the small team hampers product output because there's not enough people to do anything. At which point I would say "WELL FUCKING HIRE SOME YOU GIBBERING SHIT-GREMLIN!" but, again, cash-flow problems and a really bad rep company-wise due to the stuff they pull on freelancers kinda complicates that.

I'm sure there's more going on than we're privvy to, but what we do see and the way CGL responds to it doesn't really convince me they're doing the right things and unavoidable complications are fucking them over at random.

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>>54363594
>He still thinks modern parents are worth a damn
>And don't offload their responsibility onto teachers.

Boy, do I have bad news for you.

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>>54363594
... is this bait? God, for your sake, I HOPE it's bait. Because if you honestly believe this shit, God help you.

>>54358147

Tbh the dracs respected Ian so much they would have likely treated his remains with honor.

>>54363699
Nice projecting. Parents are the main force that instills work ethic in a child. Without strong parents to give kids a good work ethic, they will fail.

>>54363721
Run out of arguments? Mind dulled by teaching 10th graders how to read poems?

>>54363766
>Parents are the main force that instills blah blah blah

Yes, and? That doesn't mean they do so, and yet..children manage because good teachers step in. Not saying all teachers are good, but I'm not the one generalizing about how all non-private school teachers are shit.

Show us on the dolly where the Phys Ed teacher made you stretch.

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>>54363594

>Teachers are completely different from soldiers.

Yeah, soldiers are actually accorded some respect for the job they do. Then again, so are trash collectors.

>Oh wow, people who can't compete don't want to work in the private system that encourages competition between teachers and students.

What is this, I can't even.

>Most teachers still get a decent 3 weeks of vacation, on top of working at summer schools and doing their own education.

If you think three weeks a year off is enough given the demands of the job, I encourage you to try it. I doubt you'd last a week though, much less a year.

>In addition, continuing to advance yourself in your occupation outside of work time is not extraordinary, anyone with a job that requires more qualification than a McDonald's register girl does it.

Being expected to work 12-18 hours a day while getting paid for 6-8 is pretty fucking unusual in my experience. Because that's what you need to do just to stay afloat, much less be good at it.

>In addition, most children do not owe their success to their teachers.

See pic. Especially for your bullshit about textbooks.

>>54363810
Sir, why continue to bite the bait?

>>54363866
Because eventually he'll say something to get his underage ass banned and we can go back to talking about 'mechs.

>>54363866

I'm a teacher, dude. I enjoy pain and suffer a crippling sense of self-loathing.

>>54363808
Children don't manage because teachers step in. Children are rushed through elementary school by teachers until they get to high school, where they can be removed from the system by flunking them out. No child actually succeeds because they had some sort of wise knowledgeable teacher in the public school system.

>>54363810
Oh boy, here we go.
>Yeah, soldiers are actually accorded some respect for the job they do. Then again, so are trash collectors.
I would say both of these occupations deserve more respect than a teacher, as one requires almost non-stop discomfort, and the other involves risking your life to a degree only seen by teachers in the inner city.

>What is this, I can't even.
I'm sorry, would you prefer children be mollycoddled through their first 18 years of life, never being allowed to compete with each other? Also, what successful workplace does not have fierce competition between workers?

>If you think three weeks a year off is enough given the demands of the job, I encourage you to try it. I doubt you'd last a week though, much less a year.
Oh, does teaching children stress you? Waaah. Anyone who finds dealing with kids this stressful is obviously some kind of incompetent, or simply has no sense or air of authority.

>Being expected to work 12-18 hours a day while getting paid for 6-8 is pretty fucking unusual in my experience. Because that's what you need to do just to stay afloat, much less be good at it.
Plenty of office jobs require this type of dedication. You are not some special, unique class of heroes for grading tests.

>meme image response
Nice argument.

You know, it has always amazed me that battletech has been around this long without producing even a single bit of decent pornographic fanwork

>>54363957
People who are into tabletop strategy games are not good at making porn. Same with any video game that requires thinking.

>>54363912
You sound profoundly unhappy with your job. Do yourself a favor and quit.

>>54363993
I don't know where you would get that from anything I just posted, other than the line about jobs requiring dedication.

>>54363912

>Children are rushed through elementary school by teachers until they get to high school, where they can be removed from the system by flunking them out.

No. Just no.

Expelling a student is a monumental pain, to the extent that everything is done to avoid it. Excluding a student entirely is almost impossible due to legislation. I have one student in my class who has served time in junevile detention for sexual assault and gets grabby as fuck with female students and there's another in the school who has pulled machetes twice. Neither can be kicked, we've tried.

Ironically, you should educate yourself about this shit.

>Also, what successful workplace does not have fierce competition between workers?

>he actually thinks that Rayndian capitalism is the way to run an education system

>point at him

>point at him and laugh

>Anyone who finds dealing with kids this stressful is obviously some kind of incompetent, or simply has no sense or air of authority.

OK, you do it then. If it's really all so easy. Even leaving aside the qualifications required.

>Plenty of office jobs require this type of dedication. You are not some special, unique class of heroes for grading tests.

The only other job I'm aware of that pulls this shit is IT, and then it's on migrant workers who they can threaten with deportation if they speak up. Others at least get paid a hell of a lot better relative to hours put in.

But hey, have fun with your objectivist world views, I'm sure reality will be kind and accomodate you with them.

>>54363957
The involved flavours of autism don't actually overlap, same as why no actually good battletech fanfic exists

>>54363957

There's the lewd of the Wolf MechWarrior jilling off in her cockpit for a start. Not sure what else there is and I have very little desire to look given the mental scarring other Rule 34 stuff has caused.

Plus this is a blue board so really full-on pr0n will result in bans.

>>54363957
Ganassa did three pinups of the Clan phenotypes, but like >>54364026 said, it's a blue board. At least this thread is dying though.

>>54363912
>>Yeah, soldiers are actually accorded some respect for the job they do. Then again, so are trash collectors.
>I would say both of these occupations deserve more respect than a teacher, as one requires almost non-stop discomfort, and the other involves risking your life to a degree only seen by teachers in the inner city.
>Oh, does teaching children stress you? Waaah. Anyone who finds dealing with kids this stressful is obviously some kind of incompetent, or simply has no sense or air of authority.
Uh, did you miss the part in >>54362292 where Teacher-anon had to deal with a no-shit autistic kid for six months, all the while doing everything in his power to get them into the special ed class he ACTUALLY NEEDED, only to be repeatedly cockblocked by the parents who 'knew' their kid was a perfect little angel at school, up to the point where the kid put a classmate through a plate-glass window?
I know people - good friends, even - who've honestly talked about wanting to vault a teacher's desk and rip his face off when he, regretfully, told them their kid ain't the brightest evar. I recognise that they love their kid, believe in them unconditionally, and want to protect them, but those same nepotistic instincts and unconditional belief are blinding them to their kid's actual shortcomings.
And that's just one kid. Fill the classroom with forty or fifty of them. Multiply by however many classes per day.

>>54363912
>>Being expected to work 12-18 hours a day while getting paid for 6-8 is pretty fucking unusual in my experience. Because that's what you need to do just to stay afloat, much less be good at it.
>Plenty of office jobs require this type of dedication.
In fucking JAPAN, maybe. And the Japanese language now has an actual word for LITERALLY WORKING YOURSELF TO DEATH.

>>54363912
>Also, what successful workplace does not have fierce competition between workers?
Ones where ACTUAL TEAMWORK takes place?

>>54364049

Oh, BTW, autistic shit-fit is back in my class. Maximum suspension is 20 school days and expelling him is impossible since he's autistic so his parents would scuttle off to the media. At least I was able to have the kid who the glass sliced up and is permanantly scarred from it transferred to a different class, so #winning, amirite?

Sex fiend has been caught feeling up female students twice today alone. We can't do shit about him because no other school will accept him and his parents can't or won't home-school.

Been a while since I heard anything about Machete Kills which probably means it's the calm before the storm.

And now you know. And knowing is half the battle. The other half of the battle, apparently, is just educating yourself from textbooks.

>Ones where ACTUAL TEAMWORK takes place?

Something something market forces something something bootstraps, something something I know everything about teaching even though I'm not a teacher or even an ivory tower academic.

>>54364008
>Expelling a student is a monumental pain, to the extent that everything is done to avoid it. Excluding a student entirely is almost impossible due to legislation.
What country is this? I couldn't see this happening in a civilized country, so I'm starting to think you are an American.

>rayndian
lol

Also,
>not running any system in a way that encourages top tier work at the lowest cost possible, in this case saving taxpayer money

>lel you do it
You say this like I don't have children. Either way, it's a horrible argument. Anyone with decent force of personality can get a group to shut up and listen, I'm sorry that person isn't you. Maybe you've chosen the wrong career path.

>>54364049
>Uh, did you miss sob story
No, I didn't. I wouldn't say that's overly stressful compared to dealing with actual important things, like completing a product that will be sued by thousands or correctly judging what is the best course of action for a company that employs dozens.

>muh japan
The only problem with the Japanese system is those who are too weak to handle it.

>can't have teamwork without competition
I'm laughing at your life right now, that you could actually believe this.

>>54364129
Pardon me, used*.

>>54364129
>Anyone with decent force of personality can get a group to shut and listen.

You say that like people with decent personality and force are common. You're a shining example of a loudmouth idiot who thinks they're a compelling speaker.

Also
>Implying children are people.

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>>54364111
Once again, Teacher-anon, you have my profoundest respects and best-wishes. I may disagree with you over the state of CGL and BT, but I couldn't hope to do your job, and it sounds like you need all the luck, strength, and health in the world.

>>54364153
I didn't say a decent personality. I said a force of personality. Getting people to listen to you is as easy as catching their attention with a strong confident voice and strong body language. The only decently effective teachers I ever had had this skill.

>>54364111
What country is this? It seems strange that people like this can't be kicked out of schools.

>>54364129

>What country is this? I couldn't see this happening in a civilized country, so I'm starting to think you are an American.

Here's a hint, I used the PM of my country in the image I posted.

>not running any system in a way that encourages top tier work at the lowest cost possible, in this case saving taxpayer money

>not investing taxpayer money correctly in education so that everyone can get the best education possible for them and go on to get the best possible jobs for them and earn the government even more in taxes

Fucking education over, especially in the asinine way you're calling for, amounts to eating your seed stock.

>No, I didn't. I wouldn't say that's overly stressful compared to dealing with actual important things, like completing a product that will be sued by thousands or correctly judging what is the best course of action for a company that employs dozens.

Yeah, we only teach a few thousand kids over the course of our career who are expected to learn how to do all that shit from us. No pressure.

>Anyone with decent force of personality can get a group to shut up and listen,

Kek. Unless you're a rep-level Polynesian football player, good fucking luck walking into my school and expecting the students to shut up and pay attention straight off the bat. Especially when so much of society views us with contempt and encourages their children to do so as well.

I'd give you like a week in my school. Tops. 50% of new hires quit within a week. 75% quit within the first three years at some point. 5% stick around for five years or more.

>>54364201
Yeah, you've clearly never dealt with teenagers. Have fun once your mythical children start to grow up.

Remember, if you lay a hand on them for their insolence, CPS will toss you in the slammer for child abuse and cellmates tend to be reaaaal rough on abusers.

>>54364270
>not living in a country where physical punishment is protected under law
lel

>>54364231
He doesn't understand that his own low opinion of teachers is passed on to his children and is the reason they don't pay attention to teachers and thus do poorly in school.

But yeah, it's still the teacher's fault for being such shit, not him for being a crappy parent who blames teachers....despite claiming that it's parents who drive children to succeed.

He's clearly baiting, just drop it and ignore the fuckstick while he complains about how poorly the schools are preparing his wife's children.

>>54364201

Punting students anywhere in the world is extremely difficult, especially if they have some kind of social disorder and the parents can whine to the media about unfair treatment of little sweetums who is totally a darling during the news story and therefore couldn't possibly be a homicidal little shitmerkin in class even though if they pulled a tenth of what they do in class in public as an adult someone would lay their sperg ass out flat for being such a colossal dickhead.

But mainstreaming is less at the discretion of the school or teachers and more at the discretion of parents these days, so problem children get forced into mainstream classes where they fuck up the education of another 29 students with their constant bullshit.

As for force of personality, when you need to keep that up every minute of every class of every day of every year it gets *real* draining. If it was as simple as capturing their attention once everyone would be able to do it. Thing is, it's a careful act for up to an hour and a half straight where any failure will cost you at least that lesson and possibly the class full stop.

No shit good teachers make it look easy. Ducks sailing around on a lake make that look easy too, but what happens beneath the waterline is a hell of a lot more chaotic.