EDH/Commander General

>>54255860
>What do you think of the latest ban announcement?
Not a whole lot, under the circumstances.

>>54255860
This >>54248546 is the previous OP.

>>54255881
Some people were sure Protean Hulk was going to go right back on the list. There are no uncharacteristically problematic cards in my meta but I can't speak for all metas.

>>54255784
Ghave is just gross, man. I was just fucking around with Undying stuff

I felt kinda bad since my group isn't super-Spiky and usually just turns creatures sideways

How fun is RG Omnath? I'm thinking of building him but I'm on the fence.

Fuck, there's really no substitute for Imperial Recruiter in mono-red, is there?

>>54255860
What ban announcement?

>>54255987
Omnath is for boys
Thromok is for MEN

>>54255997
MTGO. Nothing you need to worry about.

>>54255903
He knows. He posted in that thread to advertise this one. He just linked back to an archived edh general that had the discord server in the op. Probably the last one he personally made.

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>>54256092
Green
Simic
Temur

Vela ninja trick or Pharika shining'stars ?

I can't decide...

>>54256092
Red
Gruul
Temur

>>54255903
he know, he is linking to that one cause it has that cancerous discord he is trying desperately to shill

>>54256092
Blue
Izzet
Temur

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>>54255860
>"Coinflip Tribal" Edition
i want so badly to make this work in my arjun deck and i'm probably going to waste a lot of time, money, and effort before giving up.

>>54255988
not really unless you're looking for a goblin. they need to reprint that shit...altho i guess maybe it was a total color pie mistake...

>>54255860
>What do you think of the latest ban announcement?

>MTGO
No one really cares about MTGO 1v1 commander, but since 1 person in this thread might actually give a shit, I'll chime in with this: WotC is terrible at managing it and are making bannings based on a poor knowledge of the format.

>Rules Committee
Unsurprising, in every way that matters. Of course they weren't gonna re-ban Hulk, since it is clear no one in their playgroup abuses it like it can be abused. Sheldon's group needs one or two really serious commander tryhards to come along and just shit on them for months to get them to reevaluate the banlist appropriately.

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Are there non-creature Zombie spells?

>>54256860
All of the Tribal spells with Changeling

>>54256860
Blades, Shields, and Wings of Velis Vel, Crib Swap, Ego Erasure, and Nameless Inversion.

>>54256881
>>54256912
Sadly, they're not in golgari or dimir colors

>>54255860
>linking the wrong thread to advertise illegally on 4chan
That's some malicious bullshit. Would you like if I started posting screen caps of how objectively terrible the discord actually is?

>>54255860
That isn't the previous thread you retard.

Jesus Christ how do you manage to fuck up the OP every time?

>>54256946
>Ego Erasure, Nameless Inversion, Wings of Velis Vel
Don't be dumb.

I'm actually wanting to play an infect deck. Of course, it would be more of a bored control based deck

No one in my meta has played infect, but I am pretty sure it will be competive.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/scorpion-venom-3/

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BEHOLD, the ultimate in boros technology.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-wheels/

or at least it would be if I wanted to throw more money at it, but keeping it around $400 is ideal.

for an even cheaper version, are there some spicy tutors/wheels I may be forgetting?

Also, stax cards are surprisingly expensive, so it would be interesting to find some very low cmc blow out cards like silence, and then beat all the combo decks with midrange after they run out of steam.

>>54256766
They need to make another Krark's Thumb effect un order for coin flip strategies to be viable.

>>54257199
What is ComboA? I don't get it.

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Thinking about throwing this in my GW elf deck, essentially turning any elf that taps for 4 or more into an infinite source; is this a dick move?

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>pull out first ever deck to do some overdue editing
>tappedout is down

I swear to fuck.

Anyways, a pertinent question for /edhg/: how many cards of one type do you put in before considering cards that only work well with that card type (Affinity, Convoke, Constellation, etc.)?

>>54257312
no, play what you want

>>54257312
It's a backup Umbral Mantle. As long as you actually have something to do with that mana then it's fine.

>>54257297
Nevermind, I see that is how you win with infinite mana. It looks like a good Boros deck.

So, Solemnity prevents creatures from entering with counters, right? Does that mean Murderous Redcap can go infinite with a sac outlet?

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>>54257332

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Any secret tech for Mayael?

>>54257374
Yes. Kitchenfinks too.

>>54257380
Yeah, that'll work.
>>54257374
Yes. Persist and Undying creatures can be sacrificed infinitely with Solemnity on the field, and cards like Reyhan and Ghave that have 0 toughness and enter with counters will die.

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>>54257399
My playgroup's gonna hate my Marchesa deck even more than it already does

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>>54257388

>>54257312
aside from being considered an infinite, is it really that much different from dropping craterhoof behemoth?

>>54257374
das pretty busted, look out modern.

>>54257434
You might like geralfs messanger too.

>>54257473
There are already several ways to do that in Modern, so it won't really shake up the place that much.

>>54255987
Its fucking great, elemental tribal is fun and strong with omnath at the helm. I just wish anger was an elemental and I wish we had a new koth so my planeswalker theme isnt gay shipping.

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>>54257473
Modern already had something similiar with this.

>>54257388
If you're running wheels, Bruna, The Fading Light can pull some good shit out of your yard alongside her. Greenwarden of Murasa is a bigger E-Wit and Woodland Bellower can grab a smaller utility creature like Khenra Charioteer or Archetype of Courage to make your fatties hit a lot harder.

>Anthology life counters don't fit in the satin tower
JUST

>>54257538
Keep in mind Bruna is a cast trigger, so hitting off Mayael doesn't work

>>54257574
I was disappointed too. I haven't tried it, but I think with a bit of filing work you could probably squeeze it in.

>>54257452
How is this secret tech?

If you want some real secret tech, check out dragon arch, elvish piper, that green exert guy who does the same thing, mirrowood tree folk, where ancients tread, changeling colossus, ogre battledriver, garruk wildspeaker, pathbreaker ibex, and overwhelming stampede.

I also really like Harrow and Primal whatever where you sac a creature and get to fish two basics. Tragic Arrogance is also fantastic in that deck.

>>54257575
True, but you can't always rely on Mayael. Bruna's a good option if she gets plinked off the board. Nobody ever expects an OG Gisela out of the yard without access to black.

>>54257483
...Ehhh, I'm already in Mardu, so his casting cost is a bit restrictive, even with black being my main color. Thanks though.

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>>54257610
Those cards are all much more commonly played than Krosan Drover so they are not super secret tech.

Planar Gate has the same effect of him for 2 more mana in artifact form.

>>54257374
Mentor of the Meek works too

>>54257668
Yes, but what does it do?

You might as well run semblance anvil at that point. Arcbond + lifelink is the holy grail in Naya, and deflecting palm in a sunforger package is great, but that's all generic nonsense.

>>54257748
Wrong card? How does it combo in any form?

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explain to me why you wouldn't include this over any other budget black tutor

>>54257772
Makes Redcap come back with a +1/+1 and removes the -1/-1?

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>>54257814
After I pointed it out you couldn't be bothered to RTFC? Juust in case you were mistaken somehow? Fine, here, look.

>>54257814
Mentor of the Meek is a card draw engine that has you pay whenever a small creature ETBs.

>>54257772
He probably meant new anafenza.

>>54257842
>>54257845
>>54257853
Sorry. Misremembered what it did

>>54257796
too much mana

>>54257275
is there no way to duplicate the effect without mirror gallery?

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>>54257796
Insidious Dreams is far superior.

>>54257275
How about a mono-red chaos commander that lets you pay a cost to flip another coin and choose one?

>>54257796
I do though. It is a bit expensive though, mana not money

also, Increasing Ambitions is ok

>>54257969
strionic resonator or a similar card

>>54257942
Agreed, at minimum you're paying 6 mana for a tutor. I guess if you have 7 or 8 to spend you can fetch a combo for the next turn, but I'd be ready for some hard hate after tutoring for 2+ cards.

>>54257996
Krark, the 9 fingered
Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman
1RRR
Whenever you flip a coin you may flip two instead and ignore one.
Whenever you lose a coin flip you lose half of your life rounded down.
2/3

>>54256949
It's furries and /pol/shit, everyone knows it's autistic

Zada bros: do you guys prefer the "play a combat trick for huge team boost" route, or the "make horrifying amounts of tokens" route

>>54258068
Well yes but no one has to see it. It's exactly as bad as everyone worries, but worse because they like to pretend it actually accomplished something. They have a /ccg/ there for fucks sake...

>>54258063
>that steep of a penalty

Yeesh. At least give him an upside for winning. Maybe he "wins the bet" and gets to take control of a permanent an opponent controls?

>>54258086
whynotboth.jpg

What's a good "knife-edge" deck? I mean like, "you play it well, you win spectacularly. You fuck up once, you die." I guess a glass cannon type of deal but in an EDH deck

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>>54258150

>>54258165
>waifushit

>>54258150
Mono Black Sidisi Storm.

>>54258206
That's not really a knife's edge. That's "Do you have it?" the deck.

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>>54258202
scrub

>>54258231
You forgot Angel's Grace Ad Naus.

>>54258068
>>54258095
>you share a thread with Discord kiddies
JUST KILL ME BROS

>>54258150
riku of two reflections

huge mana sink but your group can only pray if they let you untap

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You guys have any ideas for this as a commander? Ive never really played abilities like this one has. Any suggestions?

>>54258248
>isochron scepter exiling angels grace
>any mana rock that produces two or more
>paradox engine

Unkillable. until someone kills my artifacts.

>>54258307
WAIT WHAT

>>54258307
Wait whoa hold on now where the fuck did this come from

>>54258356
>>54258320
Ixalan spoilers. It's been available for weeks.

>>54258307
UG merfolk commander, something voice of thunder. It'll be good but boring.

>>54258320
>>54258356
Did you start playing magic a week ago?

>>54258379
Nah I've been working. I didn't really take a look at the Ixalan sheet

Any good red legends?

>>54258308
you'll still die from commander damage/poison when state-based actions are checked upon passing turns

>>54258404
Oh well, I didn't consider this.

>>54258398
There's a pirate that makes Lotus Petals when it swings.

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>>54258307
Speaking of spoilers, does anyone else think this enchant might get banned?

>combos with any board wipe

>>54258231
>0 or less life

Does this mean negative life is a thing? You continue to take damage even at 0 life?

>>54258451
Yup. You keep track of life into the negatives. I've seen someone abuse Platinum Angel+Death's Shadow HARD, it was hilarious.

>>54258307
>Zegana x Kruphix
Whatever

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/ixa/index.html
Spoilers for anyone that hasn't seen them.
Highlights include:
Grixis Pirate Legend
Orcs?
Monowhite Vampires
A card that locks the game entirely when there is not another artifact or creature on the battlefield.
Pithing Needle variant
M~ checklands return
More white gravehate
2 mana Torpor Orb on legs

>>54258448
That's like Felidar or Aetherflux to me, if you know it's being played you just have to prepare to answer it.

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>>54258260
It's okay bros, we just gotta stay hype, get swole, and we'll be stalwart like astartes.

Keep fighting bros, I'm going to chug these TWO energy drinks, hard, pound out a couple of sweet curls, then build the Fuck out of a Rakdos, Lord of Riots deck.

>>54258418
Interesting. Maybe not GOOD, but certainly interesting in a color that sometimes hurts for ramp
>>54258563
>implying 90% of EDH players put answers into their decks

>>54258641
They need to learn eventually. Now's a good a time as any.

>>54258448
At the beginning of your upkeep it can win the game but I cannot read what the requirement is.

>>54258699
If you have 10 or more treasures. The card also generates treasure whenever an opponent's creature dies. Go on the mythicspoiler link ITT and click on a card to read a trascription.

Should I turn my Slobad deck into Karn, or into Daretti? Karn looks fucking rad and fits my beatdown-heavy group, but Daretti just tickles that inner "fuck you all" button so hard.

I can't decide

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Is polluted bonds worth it in kaervek/mogis?

>>54258724
Smokestack suddenly quintuples in price, calling it now. Skittles Gravepact creature hate is going to be nucking futs.

>spend all your resources tutoring your combo pieces, or ramping into hastey skittles
>worst case scenario, ramp harder
>best case scenario, easy wincon with a stax package

Could be banned.

>>54258764
I prefer Karn. Colorless artifacts has so much fun synergy.

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>>54258789
>mfw I run both Titania and Wort Lands decks

My group must never learn of this card.

Just wrote my first primer, feels a bit basic. Thoughts?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/allegiance-to-the-throne/

>>54258833
Hey its me, your group

>>54258820
I'm leaning in that direction. Do you have a list, by chance? I have a rough idea of where I'd want to go but I want to compare

>>54258837
I always appreciate lists that explain synergies and combos and the removal in the deck and what to look out for. Shows a lot of effort went into making the deck and a lot of hours of play

>>54258908
I don't have a current one anymore, but the top deck for him on tappedout is a good start for combo shenanigans. The guy is a Karn nut and his deck is what inspired mine.

My meta take a heavy shift toward control/combo recently.

I'm pretty new at magic, but i remember there are cards that allow me to look into people deck to exile certain cards.

Do you guys, by any chance, know what they are? A link to a more reliable search engine than the gatherer would be fine too.

>>54258837
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/allegiance-to-the-throne/
At least actually explore the other Mardu commanders. It's simple.
>Alesha
We're not looking for a grave based game.
>Kaalia
We're trying to get value, not cheat out cards.
>Zurgo Helmsmasher
Combat tricks, not our goal.
>Tariel
Too dependent on enemies.

>>54258957
Jester's Cap.
magiccards.info

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>playing bone-stock Yidris
>Waste Not out
>cascading into wheel after wheel
>last play is a Treacherous Terrain cascading into a fucking huge Worm Harvest over a 20-minute turn

What the fuck were they thinking with this precon holy shit

>>54258940
>Workshop
fuck

>>54258764
Daretti is really bad if you're behind on board. Monored artifacts aren't very good at keeping a planeswalker alive.
That said; the worst case scenario single activation Desperation-Daretti is still not bad. Better than alternative monored artifact commanders. Never quite understood the appeal of Slobad. I feel like Daretti is an engine while Slobad is a piece of an engine.

And then there's the best case scenario: T2-4 Daretti, opponents play no pressure and you can dig several turns until you've assembled other artifact value engines and you're golden. Draw, discard 2, draw 2 per turn really activates your almonds, lemme tell ya.

Karn definitely has nice synergies. Creature matters specific artifact tap-untap stuff mostly but can also be geared toward land destruction if you so desire.

>>54258308
Orims chant, fuck playing against your opponents.

>>54259046
Never said it was budget, but it's a good guideline.

>>54257796
>Paying 6+ to tutor
If I want a card, I want Demonic or Dark Petition.
If I want all the cards, I want Doomsday.

>>54258165
As full art alters go that's not bad. Some of the lower half stuff is clearly lower quality bit it merges pretty seamlessly.

>>54259195
Why not Dark Petition into Doomsday?

>>54259291
It's a possibility.

>>54258980
We had some retard on the release event for c16 taking a 30 min turn ending with him misscalculating and self milling himself to death.

>>54258980
Yeah that deck is nuts. Wildly inconsistent, but it's insane when you get it to go off.

I have a friend who has it, and I weep whenever he plays it because he just tries to cast Army of the Damned, then flack it back every time for a 2/2 beatdown. Every game.

He also lost the Breya precon that he bought

>>54259067
I like Slobad as a free sac outlet, but yeah, I only cast him if I need to save important pieces in the event of a Lattice-boosted Obliterate or some other huge boardwipe. I run a lot of boardwipes.

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>>54257748
sigil captain?

>>54256061
>>54256562
I am the OP and this >>54255903 is me as well. I forgot to include the previous OP and just used the last copy-paste of the last OP I did. Thank you for making baseless assumptions

>>54255997
http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18664
>>54256050
It's always funny when /edhg/ assumes it knows things.

>have idea for a dimir deck
>settle for gisa and geralf
>makan zombies and fun combos with them for wincon
>millan opponents for fun as a wincon
>castan big stupid blue and/or black creatures that do cool things for wincon
>start reading online how much people hate mill

Am I just seeing a concentrated hate for it in places or is it genuinly unliked? I'm not going to any revolutionary concepts as I'm pretty new to building decks and this sounded fun enough to build from scratch.

Also, when does a deck become "competitive"? Money isn't really a huge issue for low end value and I can justify some of $20-30 cards like mystical/demonic tutor but not cards that get $50+. Are those $20-30 cards "tryhard" or is there some magical thing I'm not picking up on that separates casual fun decks from competitive tryhard decks?

>>54258165
can you post a list im building her to battle my crovax the accursed decj

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>>54255860


>saturday prerelease
>3-0-1, did good but not best.
>pull our lord and savior obelisk the tormentor from a prize pack
>go home
>slap him into my pre-built decklist that i put together because i wanted him that badly
>next day
>get to store early, so do a couple buddies
>we play EDH, I pull out my scarab deck
>vs Mayael and Purphoros
>game is a little slow, purphoros has altar of the brood and has been milling us
>play scarab god, pass
>mayael gets a big stompy and passes
>purphoros plays a land and a panharmonicon
>mayael mills seedborn muse
>i immediately reanimate the seedborn muse on my turn
>proceed to become archenemy and get a stupid boardstate because i can play creatures from my opponents' graveyards at instant speed twice each turn if i don't counter something
>blow up the altar and the panharmonicon in response to a mogg war marshal by reanimating terastodon
>play t. gearhulk, sac t. gearhulk to eternalize it for flashback counterspells
>tfw my ever-growing field of 4/4 black zombies lets me dig deeper into my deck each turn and hurts my opponents more and more
>tfw i have complete control of the board and they can't do anything about it
>tfw slam consuming aberration and mill mayael's wrath of god

>tfw we run out of time because of the next prerelease

>>54259749
Competitive is a buzzword used by people who don't understand the difference between high power and tuning. Actual competitive EDH refers to a subsect of Commander focused around max-power play, which is overwhelmingly combo/stax and reviled by most of the community for being completely alien when compared to the rest of the playerbase (not that comp EDH is inherently bad for the format or anything). Generally speaking, it's considered prudent to have decks at all power levels, with most residing at the "75%" bar (strong manabases, a smattering of tutors, strong individual pieces, etc.)

>>54259823
[Chittering Intensifies]

>>54259823
Im gonna hate this fucking guy huh?

>>54259823
The legions of the eternals have claimed their first victims. They will be far from the last to fall.

>>54259749
Don't try to make a deck that's not hated by anyone, some autists would say that removal is "no fun", don't worry about it.

>>54258086
I prefer playing Zada with 5 colors

>>54259749
Mill is probably the least competitive strategy in EDH and anyone who bitches about it is a shitter. More importantly, talk with your group to see if they have any taboo strats and just try to build to their power level.

>>54260028
Unless you are talking Oona, but that's more of a combo.

>>54259749
it's not the cost of the cards oits the intent of the deck.
competitive decks come in a few flavors. stacks, LD, control and ramp and combo/the machine. aggro is midrange good stuff.
this decks are focused on winning using a times deck that gets consistent results and achieving victory asap.

most non competitive decks try to do other things like playing an aurocs tribal or playing out the story of the weatherlight. focusing on silly interactions drawing the game doing something funny or playing pet cards etc.

I think of not competitive games as a grudgy talent show where you show what you can do while shoving shit at the other competitors.

there is a mid ground to be had when a person is in similar wavelengths and build similarly powerful decks that are not optimised but still do crazy stuff. I build many decks that are very similarly powerful. I let people pilot them and we usually have a blast. it converts good people to the format.

Has anyone ever played Bang! with EDH? My group is fucking obsessed with it as of late. My decks all suck for it and I might have to bring a deck out of retirement to keep up

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>>54259870
>>54259963
[CHITTER CHITTER]

>>54259871
Probably. Best solution to him is to make sure nothing hits the graveyard. Rip hoses him entirely.

>>54260105
not really, if you spam zombos he can still kill

>>54258960

That's probably a good idea.

>>54258925
Thanks!

>>54260117
yeah but spam zombos is horribly slow compared to his mill + reanimate shenanigans.

>>54260218
The scry will get you towards your way to get out from under RiP, though. Ours is a resilient God.

>>54258133
how about this instead

1RR
Krark, the Nine Fingered
Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman
When Krark, the Nine Fingered enters the battlefield you may search your library for a card called Krark's Thumb and put it into play.
Whenever you would flip a coin you may flip two instead and ignore one.
Whenever you lose a coin flip you lose half you life rounded up.
2/3

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>>54259823
>tfw you got hype for the Scorpion God

Why couldn't he have 7 power? Why?

>>54260326
he's card draw in rakdos. That's pretty damn nice, imo.

>>54260405
Black actually has some good draw, though it costs life.

>>54260430
It does. But I don't think rakdos has had command zone card draw before. Especially not this good. Turn black sun's zenith into a big hand.

>>54255987
I just built omrage a month ago and its been amazing. Almost too much so. I went with a rampant growth tribal sort of deal with etb effects. Turns out my meta cannot ignore omrage that just shits out lands all day.

I'd say build it if you want something super simple but fun.

>>54260471
Lyzolda, though yeah, she's bad.

Post your TO links, i'm in the mood to give advice for some reason

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/purph-comp-2/

>>54260252
Try this
Krark, the Gambler
1RR
Legendary goblin
Reach
If you lose a coinflip you may instead exile that spell or ability while it is resolving.
During your upkeep you may play any spell or ability exiled by Krark without paying its costs.
*I've never lost anything I ever needed, I have a system!*
0/4

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/26-06-17-Zqr-the-scarab-god/

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I traded for a pack foil Razaketh at the prerelease. What do I build him into, aristocrats with mike&trike?

>>54258095
Thank goodness this general doesn't deal with that shit.

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/narset-buyback-sitback/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/anafenzas-on-your-lifeline-baby/

Both need a lot of improvements please help

>>54260632
Shadowborn Apostles Aetherflux Storm.

>>54255860
I ran a Krark's Thumb deck once, it went kinda well, I had some other artifact that let me make free troops on coin toss, and since I was statisically unable to lose a coin toss I could keep spamming 3/3s with flying for free.

>>54259823
Whats your decklist look like? I've got a list for both Scorpion and Locust gods, but don't know what to do for the blue beast himself

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sram-artifactauraos/

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/spellslinger-wort/
:^]

>>54260632
that is the worst flavor text i've ever seen

>>54260971
if you wanna get competitive with it you can build a pretty balls to the wall doomsday deck with the scarab god

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>>54261152
You are like little babby to me.

>>54261191
i dunno mate, that seems a lot better than razaketh's. his flavor text reads like a line from a 12-year-old's book report on amonkhet lore.

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>>54261191
>>54261152
You kids are smalltime

>>54261318
that's at least an art-relevant joke and not three lines of dull exposition

if we're gonna count cards like that the lemures cover-up flavor text is pretty bad too

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>>54261318
That's great though. The really bad ones are the shitty expository ones like Razaketh and Ancient Grudge. I present one that few people know, but I think is fucking terrible.

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>>54261361
Can we swap this around and post good flavor text?

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>>54261389
>the reminder text is the flavor text

>>54259823
I cant fucking wait. Was the creatures he brings out being just 4/4 a problem or did it not matter much?

>>54261441
In some cases, the reanimation is an improvement on the original creature(seedborn muse, solemn simulacrum to name a few). In other cases, the creature's effect matters enough that it's P/T doesn't matter at all(Terastodon, Consuming Aberration).

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>>54261339
Speaking of which, does this work the way I want it to?

>>54261502
wat

>>54261520
Activate the lemure a million times then sacrifice it to give all creatures +infinity/+infinity until end of turn

>>54261543
The card has no mechanic to give any plus.

>>54261502
>>54261520
I believe it doesn't. IIRC, it keeps track of its power below 0, but if anything references a negative power it just counts as 0.

>>54261552
He wants it go give -(-x), in essence giving +x. I do not think it works that way, however.

>>54261552
X=-1,000,000
-X=1,000,000

>>54261562
I know and ichor explosion doesnt have a mechanic to give out any plus.

>>54261502
>107.1b Most of the time, the Magic game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can’t choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it’s possible for a game value, such as a creature’s power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison needs to use a negative value, it does so. If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead, unless that effect sets a player’s life total to a specific value, doubles a player’s life total, sets a creature’s power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature’s power or toughness.
Yes. It "modifies a creature's power or toughness."

>>54261569
Thats not a magic mechanic.

>>54261608
>If your life total is less than 0 and an effect (such as the one from an opponent’s Abyssal Persecutor) is keeping you from losing the game, Death’s Shadow’s ability will actually increase its power and toughness. For example, if your life total is -2, Death’s Shadow gets +2/+2.
Yes it is anon.

>>54261502
Thanks for posting this to show how bad at magic /tg/ is.

>>54261624
That is a far different mechanic than what is occurring in the lemure situation. Go ask the judge thread if you want to feel even more wrong.

Any advice on good finishers to put in a Meren deck?
Here's what I'm running now
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/696718
Looking for some cards that won't break the bank in terms of price.
Last time I played this deck, I got the Butcher out, sac'd a bunch of scions and had the whole board clear, but I didn't have enough to really swing and kill everyone immediately so the game really dragged out and everyone got real butthurt and ganged up on me in the next game.

>>54261624
Your wrong.
Deal with it.

>>54261657
The "mechanic" is that the negative of a negative number is positive, anon.

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Here's this cheeky little thing. Is it any good?

>>54261736
You could make a player steal all of their own lands, have a Zedruu player give you Zedruu, destroy/tap/untap/bounce/flicker/force to attack or block anything. Reroute is hella fun and one of the biggest "didn't see that coming" cards of red.
That said, it floats dead in the water against Stax and most aggro. But combo? Oh, it makes short work of combo.

>>54261657
>"mechanic"

as usual, the one moron using words without understanding what they mean is wrong.

Anyway, >>54261502 is a legit combo. Ichor Explosion checking the creature's power will get a negative number and the negative of a negative is positive. Good job.

>>54261830
actually, all cards like Wild Beastmaster and Electostatic Pumeller has just received an update in Gatherer:


27/06/2017 If this creature’s power is negative as its ability resolves, X is considered to be 0. (This is a change from previous rulings.)

So yeah, maybe it used to work like that but not anymore. Maybe. I'm too tired to piece together info from comprehensive rules.

e.g. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=417783

>>54261736
I put it and Shunt in pretty much any deck I have that runs Red, it'll be a dead and useless card until it does something magical and then you'll have a real appreciation for it.

I'm still waiting for the day to make someone lose when they activate door to nothingness.

I have a stupid question for my scrab decklist anons.

I only have 10 draw engines, 2 of them constant draw- (Phyrexian Arena and Arcanis)

Should I replace Paradox Haze with Dictate of Kruphix/Well of Ideas, or not?

>>54261797
>>54262028
Are there any more spicy tech cards in red that don't really see as much play as they should.

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>>54262269
I never see anyone else ise Blood Oath from Masques, can hit people for huge amounts of damage whenever their deck does something good, like green drawing cards or searching up lands, or a pillowfort deck running mostly enchantments probably having more in hand. Point is in EDH everyone is trying to keep their hand stuffed at all times, and you can copy it.

>Garruk, Caller of Beasts player turns up 5 creatures
>ZAP

What is everyone thinking about the new dinosaur cards? Will they be a playable tribe or will they be way too expensive cost wise?

>>54263382
They won't be playable like most tribe of the set tribes, like dwarves or spirits, because there just won't be enough of them. In standard a tribe just needs half a dozen good cards to be playable, which is a number they might reach. In EDH you just aren't going to get 30+ playable cards for the tribe unless they go really wild and errata a bunch of cool cards into dinosaurs.

>>54263572
Im really excited what cards they will errata.

>>54263382
At least Wotc printed a decent dinosaur commander

>>54263642
Just be cautious. Depala is a genuinely great commander for dwarves, and is a Boros general that isn't all about the attack step. Yet it will probably be a decade or more until she has enough good dwarves. Dinosaurs are likely to be the same.

>>54263664
Both pirates and dinosaurs are fantastic themes, and I really want them to not be shit. Please wizards.

>>54263747
They might be great, but there aren't going to be enough cards for a real decent tribal commander for at least a couple years unless they go insane and shoot standard powerlevel through the roof.

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Could you make an all gideon deck with this rather than the gideon flipwalker? might be more consistent.

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>>54264111

>>54261389
>thicker than iron

Always bothered me.

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What is best (most annoying) turn 1 drop in Commander

Pic Related i have five of these

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daretti-scrap-savant-competitive-control-1/

>>54259823
This guy is fantastic.

It also gave me a reason to finally use eldrazi processors.

>>54253865
Getting cards for your deck != pimping a deck. Foiling it or choosing a specific art or edition is
>>54254034
Terrible excuse for not having mana crypt in your deck. Get it, as the difference between 0 and 1 mana is three gorillion times larger than the difference between 1 and 2(or more) mana.
Card is nuts and like most rocks under 2cmc needs b&

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>>54264376

What a tough question I really had to think about that one.

>>54264376

The tricky fish of endless card advantage

>>54261422
I just realized this guy would be pretty good in new neheb

>>54264793
I don't think Remora is a great turn 1 play.

>>54256792
With all color pie mistakes that went into other colors, i'd say Red deserves a bone thrown to it.

Some friends and I are looking to build mono colored decks for a pentagram edh. I ended up with black.
I looked at the black commanders on EDHREC and narrowed it down to:
Phage the untouchable
Balthor the defiled
Korlash heir to blackblade
Ascendant evincar
Ashling the extinguisher
What would be the best out of those and what kind of deck should I play with them?

>>54264206
He probably means liquid iron.

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>>54264376

>>54265044
This is the correct answer

>>54264376
Telepathy is only a little annoying, I actually enjoy when it's on the table because it keeps everyone honest.

>>54260632
Put him in karador watch yourself accidentally infinite turn 3

>>54259676
Does this ability work for creature tokens?

>>54265129
Yes.

>>54261731
Only for life, though, since it is specifically accounted for below 0. I'm not sure creature stats are accounted for below 0.

>>54265158
>107.1b Most of the time, the Magic game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can’t choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it’s possible for a game value, such as a creature’s power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison needs to use a negative value, it does so. If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead, unless that effect sets a player’s life total to a specific value, doubles a player’s life total, sets a creature’s power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature’s power or toughness.

>>54261683
Lord of Extinction

>>54265171
>If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead
Oh okay. So the Lemure is set to -100000, but the calculation for Ichor uses 0, then gives -0/-0 to all creatures.

>>54265223
Keep reading, anon.

>>54265223
First, that calculation wouldn't "yield" a negative number, because negative -100,000 would be +100,000. Second, it immediately goes on to list the exceptions, and this effect is among them.

>>54264963
Ashling stax, or phage with stuff like torpor orb sundial of the infinite, a sac outlet and endless whispers.

>>54264206
HARDER THAN METAL
HARDET THAN BRICK

>>54265223
That's basically for the sake of cards like Rishkar's Expertise, since there's no sensible way to parse "draw -100,000 cards". Everything it lists after "unless" are values that could end up being negative themselves, which is why it works in those situations.

>>54260326
Scorpion God is Rakdos control. Spew counters, then boardwipe. I run 18 wraths. Also kulrath Knight is bonkers

>>54265445
Got a list? I'm interested in building him but don't really know what to do with him as there's not too much -1/-1 counter support in red. I wish he was Jund so bad.

>>54261296

Ancient Grudge reads like someone trying to condescendingly explain Innistrad lore to a 12-year-old

>>54260608
This feels pushed but I legitimately like the concept.

>>54259715
>just used the OP in the last thread
>except you changed it twice

fuck off shill

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>>54264376
>What is best (most annoying) turn 1 drop in Commander

>>54255860
>linking to the wrong thread

How do you fuck up every time?

>>54264746
this

>>54261736
spicy

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>>54265769
Yes

But also:

>>54265478
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/scorpion-control/

>>54265158
Char-Rumbler.

>>54260565
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-06-17-GYN-sidisi-reanimator/
I could use some advice

>>54261608
>>54261657
The "mechanic" in question is Maths, unless MtG wants to fuck with basic Arithmetic and deny two negatives make a positive.

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I'm determined to harness this card's power.

Creatures that sac themselves like Sakura-Tribe Elder and Wheel of Sun and Moon are a decent enough loop.

Bow of Nylea/Battlefield Scrounger are kinda okay with instant speed sac outlets, you can recur bunch at once, once per turn.

Epitaph Golem is one of the better repeatable effects. Reito Lantern works but is more expensive. Also Epitaph Golem has a retarded little brother in Junktroller.

Grazing Kelpie is very underwhelming but could have some interaction I haven't figured yet.

Scrounger, Golem and Kelpie are all decent wearers of Illusionist's Bracers.

Gurzigost and Anurid Scavenger have upkeep trigger which is something with instant speed sac outlets.

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>>54266157
I've used it with Hua Tuo and it works pretty well. It goes infinite with Great Oak Guardian.

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>my buddies dont play much magic in the summer
>i havent been playing much magic because of this
>buying cool cards i can't wait to play with
>tfw i may never use the cards enough to justify buying them and wasting time building decks i may never get to play

>>54255860
With wizards making a hefty 1v1 banlist, I think this is the committee's chance to mass-unban. There's a "competitive" Commander environment now, why not get back to the kitchen table roots of the format?

fast mana can stay on the list

>>54264376
My playgroup uses it because we are all horrible liars. Like another poster said, it keeps us honest.

>tfw opened pre release neheb the eternal
>tfw its 15 bucks now
>tfw you know you should sell it but the foiling looks incredible
fuck

>>54261191
>That flavor text
>Wayne England art
My god, it's the worst Magic card ever printed. I must have it.

Ha! It's actually cheaper than the regular foil. Man, am I glad England is gone.

>>54261586
Ok, I know the combo doesn't actually work, but holy shit you are dense.

which one of you recommended psychosis crawler for my sram storm deck
what the fuck

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This doesn't work with creature tokens right?

>>54266656
it does

>>54266668
So tokens enter the graveyard, but immediatly after that they leave the game completely?

>>54266654
that was me m8

>>54266656
Yeah it does count tokens even though it says "cards". I think wotc has been a little inconsistent in their errata and sometimes "card" gets errata to say "nontoken" but Asmira counts tokens now. You've got to check the errata.

>>54266698
pretty much
only "cards" remain in the graveyard

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>>54266789
For example, this card from the exact same set has errata'd "card" as "nontoken".

>>54266868
To be fair that one says "summon card" which implies a nontoken creature card

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>leaves the game
Do rules override this? I thought of building a B deck around this, but is the effect repeatable?

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Is there any way to make a creature attack alone multiple times through any weird bullshit spicy tech?

It's not important to how the deck functions, but it'd be an extra rude way to win the game.

>>54266957
You can choose to return him to the command zone instead.

>>54266978
Aurelia, the warleader is the only card I remember right now.

>>54266978
Aggravated Assault and Bear Umbra/SoFaF

>>54266957
Leaves the game is an archaic term for exile. You can put him in the command zone instead and still get his effect.

>>54266978
>literal cloud
>no flying
This is the worst mtg art trope
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>54266868
Well, that's probably because that one would be useless for tokens.

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>>54266978
Seize the Day is a cheap way that works if you only want the one attacker.

>>54266868

Tokens aren't summon cards

They aren't cards at all.

It also literally wouldn't work with tokens anyway.

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>>54267177
This card would be better if it could sacrifice tokens. It's kind of an unknown but decent (in a slow game) card.

>>54266978
You'll need GWUR to make this work properly, but...
>Have Finest Hour, Aurelia the Warleader and plenty of creatures with Exalted on the battlefield since you're attacking alone and will need the buffs
>Attack with any one creature except Aurelia
>Finest Hour triggers, giving you an extra combat phase
>Now attack with Aurelia, preferably alone for the Exalted triggers, you thanks to her ability you get a third combat phase since this is the first time she's attacking this turn
>For some extra spicy tech, play Seize the Day or Waves of Aggression in your second main phase

>>54267214
ive always wondered what those stone tablets near the name meant. is it something related to the graveyard due to flashback?

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>>54267148

How does the new Neheb work with this card? Do you get mana after both post-combat main phases or just the first?

>>54267278
It was just a visual reminder for Flashback, yeah.

>>54267278
Those were a short-lived way of reminding players that the card had an effect from the graveyard. It's supposed to function like the new aftermath cards are supposed to, where if you arrange your graveyard in a certain way you can see that part of the card and know it has some effect or could be played from the graveyard. I think they were really cool but they are a relic now.

>>54267315
Forgot to link the card
>>54267214

>>54267299
to be fair that card isnt flying at all

>>54267299

Cloud full of dust = Too heavy to fly

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>>54261191
Ok which is worse?

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>>54267340
Also this incarnation cycle

>>54267352
Yeah it works well.

>>54267383

This flavor text isn't actually all that awful

If it was attached to better art and a non-shit character it wouldn't be remotely noteworthy.

>>54266544
I cant decide if i want a foil scarab god. Foils either look like ass or they look amazing but i havnt seen one in person for that card.

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>>54267265
There are tradeoffs.

>>54267383
Diversity Hire: The Card will always be the worst card
at least with the walker they had the good sense to make the mulatto b/w wew

>>54267406
I opened Scarab as my promo. The art is a bit too dark to be a good foil, in my opinion. They put foiling on the background too, so the khopesh just kind of blends into that rather than "popping" like you'd hope.

>tfw batterskull promo looks better than reg batterskull
>stoneforge promo looks amazing
>special foil jitte looks awesome


fuck this is getting expensive

Are there any tags I can place on mtg database sites so that I can put a bunch of cards and see if there are promo versions of those cards?

>>54266544
>Opened amonkhet pack with masterpiece combust gearhulk
Still can't decide to sell it. It looks so fucking nice

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>>54267795
>combust gearhulk
this card is good in edh i hear

>>54267795
>>54267802
I fucking love this card.

Aynone know what cards I could put in a Braids, conjurer adept deck?
Looking for some big fatties obviously, but also spells to steal my opponents creatures.

>>54267802
It's not terrible. It's playable in monored or Boros, where you have artifact synergy already and people are worried about being domed by blasphemous act.

>>54267563
This is relevant to my interest

>>54267563
http://sales.starcitygames.com/spoiler/display.php?name=&namematch=EXACT&text=&oracle=1&textmatch=AND&c_all=All&multicolor=&colormatch=OR&colorexclude=1&card_type_match=OR&crittermatch=OR&r_all=All&s%5B%5D=1078&foil=all&g_all=All&lang%5B%5D=1&cmcop=%3D&cmc=&ccl=0&ccu=99&pwrop=%3D&pwr=&mincost=0.00&maxcost=99999.99&tghop=%3D&tgh=&sort1=4&sort2=1&sort3=10&sort4=0&display=1&numpage=100

this might help

>>54267563
>>54267978
When I go to look for promo cards I use tcg player and use the gameday promo category, judge promo and player rewards promo

>>54267955
Well I don't think you will find any of those things that are not on edhrec already. Obviously most of the eldrazi (despite missing cast triggers they are still better than krakens and shit like that), tidespout tyrant, stormtide leviathan,blightsteel colossus etc. Blatant thievery, treachery and most of the decent mind control effects would fit.

>>54267299
I think the problem with this one is that it's fucking enormous in the art, yet it's only a 2/2

>>54268018
>only a 2/2
just like sandstorm in pokemon
doesnt actually do a lot of damage

>>54267964
Yep. And not to mention you may have "deal damage" synergies and are starving for card advantage so both modes might be suprisingly good.

>>54267955
ETB effects are your friend I would think
bounce what they play back
>artifact, creature, or land
well Big artifacts.dek seems good
you get access to a lot of artifact tutors and such
I would look into some stax effects to keep from dying before being able to set up some sort of combo like darksteel forge + nev's disk.
There are so many cool artifacts too if you dont want to go full combo I would also think about getting some sac outlets for getting rid of her, flicker effects to dodge upkeeps, i think theres a card that gives you a second upkeep
flash so that you get advantage of it first

you need to make it asymmetrical in some fashion, if not dropping bigger stuff then at least controlling when the trigger goes off

>>54268037
That could explain the power but not the toughness. As is this giant village devouring monstrosity can get rekt by grisly bears.

To be fair though power and toughness never make sense for this game. Like who would win in a fight? A literal god or 6 fucking bears.

Somehow the bears always turn up on top.

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>>54268172
>Somehow the bears kill something with indestructibility
what did he mean by this?

>>54267469
Ah that sucks. My promo was hour of eternity and the foiling is perfect si i was hoping for it to be like that. Maybe the invocation version will be better looking.

>>54268228
>Scarab, locust, scorpion
We literally just got them days ago, I don't know how you forgot them.

>>54268243
wait thers a new set?
i dont follow standard at all

NEW THREAD

>>54268307
>>54268307
>>54268307
>>54268307

>>54268259
I'll never understand people who write posts like yours. When confronted with something you require additional information on you'd rather post than search. Takes same amount of time and same amount of effort to beg someone to explain and to search up whether or not there's a new Magic: The Gathering set and whether or not there are God creature cards without indestructibility in them that would provide me with the full context of the case the other guy was making earlier about 3 bears being able to kill a god in combat.
I mean in casual conversation I can see that happening but online? What on earth is going in their heads I wonder.

>>54268009
>>54268099
Thanks! I wasn't really looking for a combo win, but thanks for the advice! I will definitely be looking into some flicker and sac outlets.

>>54267955
I built a blue Braids deck that also ran Show and a tell and Gate to the Aether with Paradox Haze to play 6 things for free a turn. I ran mana doublers and plenty of draw engines with a control shell. It was artifact.dec but it would ruin people's day.