Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

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First for Sonic Dreadnoughts

Disregard Guardfags/Acquire thread diversity

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Do you give your dudes stories and names?

Or does that not cross your mind!

Reposting from old thread: are new terminator models (e.g., blood angels, deathwing, or the termie captain) larger / bulkier than the generic SM terminator models? The most obvious difference is the head and the crux terminator but they also seem more impressive in general, and not only because of the detail. Can anyone provide a comparison?

>>54247047
also, FW FAQ: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/

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MARINELET
MAKE WAY

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>>54247063
Here comes the diversity, prepare for your thread to be enriched.

New Abaddon model fucking when

>>54247090
To think this originally started with imperiumfags mocking 'noiselets'.

Who's being mocked now? Heh.

>>54247096
Dark Triumvate feat. Mortarion, Typhus & Abbadon when?

>>54247063
Okay so this is obviously some spicy new meme. Can anyone explain it's Genesis?

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>>54247096
When the new GW boardroom has fulfilled their dream of a full tittyfulgrim and his legion, aka all the daemon primarchs first.

>>54247096
His model is fine, the pose could be a little more dynamic, but there are far more pressing models in need of an update in the Chaos Space marine line.

>>54247096
September

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>>54247090
We need someone to shop helmets on this.

>>54247075
>that star of david on the gun
are Orks the most jewish race?

link me to chinese aliexpress recasters I want forgeworld shit but not at forgeworld prices

>>54247121
Who would you put as the girl?

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>>54247106
>Mortarion, Typhus & Abbadon

>Not Fabius Bile, Fabius Bile and Fabius Bile

>>54247104
>noiselet newfag doesn't know anything about memes
Can't make this shit up

>>54247121
Lol those manlet titties

>>54247132
Yvraine

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This is from the new short story released today going into some of the details about the Tyranids

>‘The data-codex demonstrates the tyranids to be a highly hostile and adaptable race – an alien swarm made up of many different forms, each engineered for a specific purpose. Their aggression seems not to proceed from cultural prejudice or territorial concerns. They exist only, it seems, to assimilate encountered life into their bio-matrix. The building blocks of such life are then employed to propagate the tyranid species further. The gene-harvesting of victim-species assists in the engineering of further organism types and convey upon the alien swarm various environmental and aggressive advantages. A genetic arms race, if you will, in which the tyranid grows stronger with each new conquest.’

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>It didn’t just want to kill him; it wanted to assimilate him. To absorb his flesh and craft atrocity from it. To become one with his essence, the building blocks of his existence, and rob him not just of his life but of the future of his entire race.

Why are the Tyranids so focused on assimilating the genetic material of other species and growing stronger? It's an arms race but against who? Do the Tyranids have some unknown enemy somewhere that requires them to go to these lengths to ensure they are the strongest living species around?

>>54247128
Thats the star of Gork ya git

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>>54247135
>Anti-Titan detachment

>>54247144
Chaos

>>54247151
MASAKA

>>54247132
Mira

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>>54247142
good one

>‘Ballistics in three, two, one. Mark.’

>With a brief flash, the automaton weapon fired its foremost barrel upon the restrained monstrosity. A las-bolt ricocheted off the shell-like carapace, prompting the gaunt to hiss its displeasure. The servo-arm descended to almost point-blank range and fired again, resulting in a small explosion of burned chitin and a squeal from the tyranid creature. The servo-arm retreated above the beast to reveal that the second shot had barely penetrated the creature’s organic armour plating.

>‘Having already detailed the construct’s devastating physical capabilities, it seems ranged combat is our best option against these xenos beasts,’ Kryptman extrapolated. ‘By far the most common weapons available in the Imperium are las-based in their technology, but as we can see, strikes in the nineteen to twenty-two megathule range struggle to penetrate the fused, chitinous plates sported by many bio-constructs. Even successful penetrative blasts would be fortunate to hit an essential organ in Gaunti gladius’s sparse physiology.’

Las-weapons have a hard time penetrating the chitin armor of GAUNTS.

More and more we realize that lasguns are literally the worst basic weapon in 40K.

>>54247104
Just no.

>>54247162

BANAKA

>>54247132
macha

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ok anons is this thing worth the points? or are landraiders going to be more cost effective for CSM?

>>54247194
It has -1 to hit while moving, anon. It makes me sick.

>>54247176
Grot blastas are the worst basic weapon, followed by cultist autoguns, lasguns are maybe 3rd.

>‘The living surgical vivisection of the third xenos subject has been a success,’ Kryptman announced, producing a data-slate and scanning down it, ‘with the complete specimen recovered for further analysis, documentation and testing. The creature has demonstrated... a considerable resilience to shock and biological commitment to its genetically-engineered purpose. The chitin-carapace and skeletal structures stand up well to conventional blades, necessitating the use of chain- and power-tools.’ The inquisitor grinned. ‘The close combat equivalents of these tools would be expected to stand the best chance of wounding tyranid constructs at close quarters on the battlefield.’

Gaunts are remarkable resistant to melee'ed attacks which necessitates the usage of chain and power weapons to do damage to the creatures.

No wonder the Orks were struggling against the Nids. Da choppas weren't cutt'en it, boss

>>54247194
Can't shoot, can't scoot, awkward capacity, eats your dudes, costs an arm, a leg, and a soul. Gee, what do you think?

Nth for still trying to find source that Krondor campaign is rigged

What's a good paint scheme for a chapter under the influence of a powerful navigator house ?

>>54247222
t. toughness 3 humie shitter

>>54247233
Who needs a source? There are 2 times the number of Imperium players. They just win by default due to numbers.

>>54247233

Doesn't need to be rigged by GW, it already will be with Codex: Space Marines out roughly at the same time it releases, kind of like how the AoS one had Order win by a landslide right after they released Sylvaneth, and mostly Order Battletomes before that.

Not gonna stop me from playing and getting rewards at my local GW though.

>>54247121
> the way the chicks eye just drop when they look at the manlet
Top kek.
Manlets
When will they learn

>>54247258
Learn what? You can't change your height.

>>54247241
Cosmetics Peddler has a navigator splat with house descriptions and heraldry, look there.

>>54247250
>rewards at local gw

What kind of shit are they giving away? Not just those shitty trading cards right?

gib forgeworld recaster links

>>54247270
Local GW is giving away dice pouches

>>54247107
Guardfags are the new taufags.

>>54247270

They have the trading cards still, but they also have dice bags, stratagem cards, tokens, and some other things I don't care much for.

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I was left shaking and disturbed by this scene. Fucking heartless Imperials.

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>>54247227
ok .. well regualr landraider has same hit problems on the move. i was hoping having twice the lascannon shots would help offset that.

I was only looking at it as a fire platform (not transport) I guess i won't finish out this repair job. (see pic)

>>54247093
SpeakIng of GSC, i want to try get more milage out of my acyolyte hybrids kits since they're so expensive but come with some many arms and heads. What other kit would be a good source of legs and torso that woukd be fitting. I was thinking AoS crypt ghouls maybe.

>>54247285
>>54247289

Whats your local one giving those away for?

>>54247301
The regular CSM LR has POTMS.

>>54247294
Grox lives matter

>>54247286
Do we HAVE guardfags?

>>54247301
>well regualr landraider has same hit problems on the move
They have not

Also, that is a Proteus

>>54247267
Not with that attitude.

>>54247294
What's this from anyway? I love Kryptman shit

>>54247332
>Also, that is a Proteus
nah i'ts a landraider spartan (just need to add the lower lascannons in the sopnsoons.

Proteous must be far newer than the original spartan (that was one of the old original landraiders not a fw kit)

>>54247339
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/fearful-symmetries-eshort.html

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>>54247332
>Proteus
spartan .. see pic

>>54247286
and you are just a regular fag

50 conscripts are a terminator equivalent, get over it

>>54247176

Well yeah, the carapace is hard to penetrate.

That's why you aim for the softer skin areas rather than the plating.

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/ourguy/ back at it again BTFO'ing gaysworkshops terrible model designs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jg9VF4vLyU

>>54247176
>shoots armoured plate with anti-infantry gun
>suppriswd when it dosent work
IMAGIN MY SHOCK

Any release date for codices?

>>54247176
How does lasgun compared to our modern Earth weaponry? Can an AK-47 kill a tyranid?

>>54247360
Why is Kryptman the only fucker in M41 with any common sense?

>>54247289
>stratagem cards
Are they like cards for all of the stratagems and all the scenarios in the base book?

>>54247398
Literally who?

>>54247404
>armored plate on an infantry unit that outnumbers you 10K to one.

>>54247398
I'm not clicking on your link, but the way you worded your post assures me it is bait of the highest caliber, so have this half-hearted (You)

>>54247398
to bad his opinion is shit

>>54247398
what's with the extreme reaction?
it's just a slug with a big mortar on it
sure, it's nothing special, but it's not worth shitting your pants over

>>54247428
Truly the apex of evolution

>>54247404
Why the fuck WOULDNT you start with your basic line infantry weapon if you're trying to science the shit out of killing them?

orks are OP

>>54247407
It's statted identically to autorifles, which ARE equivalent to modern weaponry.

>>54247398
his voice tells me his part time lover is a sheep

>>54247398
>that length of time
>for thoses bad opinions
>>54247442
Autsim

>>54247407
Lasgun is comparably lethal to autoguns which are pretty much modern assault rifles.

An AK could do it but it would have a hard time, between the bullet proof armour plates and resilient multi level redundant organs. A soldier could likely empty his whole clip into one as it charges him and stil fail to kill it before it kills him.

>>54247445
You'd do it as a single test in a set of tests, so then you'd shoot the fleshy part, and maybe diffrent parts of the exo`

>>54247129
Search specifics, not broad ranges. Eg Astra Militarum Sentinel vs Astra Militarum or Sentinel.

If you go through the stuff in /r/yoyhammer it's piss-easy to find the websites. You might need a VPN for some of them.

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>>54247426
>>54247432
>>54247440
>>54247442
>>54247457
>>54247458
GW shills out in full force today. That's what I get for posting during UK working hours haha

you're too easy to spot

>>54247475
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Point and laugh at this retard

>>54247471
Or maybe also test at different ranges for penetration? HHHHMMMM

>>54247475
>everyone who disagrees is a shill

you just showed how mature you are
come back when you are older than 14

>>54247487
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
He does that in the extract, so that goes without saying

>>54247475
>calling some nobody /ourguy/
>they get shit on
>haha youre all shills haha like why did i post right now haha caught you hahaha
is that your video, anon?

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>>54247128
The opposite, actually.

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Will people still consider Eldar to be OP?

I started playing Eldar when I picked up this game a long time ago because I liked the idea of having a lot of supportive psykers backing my people, so I went with ulthwe.

But when playing people all I get is bitching that I am broken and then proceed to complain about things I am not even using or something that I have no other option to take for its role.
I don't use wraithknights to much wraiths in general which is common to hear them whine about being broken in 7th and when I use my wave serpents to transport my 2-3 guardian squads to their needed locations they bitch about my transport but it is the only one I have and when I tell them that they tell me the falcon can transport but it can't hold even the smallest guardian squad I can take.

I always take as many seers/warlocks I can because those are the biggest reasons I even wanted this army but then they bitch about them being on bikes and tell me I should footslog them or put them in a transport only to hear about how wave serpents are broken after I ask them if they want to have another one of them on the field.

Am I in for another edition of people complaining? I just want a army that supports and looks after itself.

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@54247475

>>54247076
I give my Custodes names at least
Old phoenician ones

>>54247398

The design is pretty good, but painting the body entirely bone with nothing to break it up was a mistake.

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>every army I like the fluff of, I don't like the gameplay of and vice versa

>>54247513
Whatcha like, what is your preferred gameplay style?

>>54247475
Dumb anime poster, I'm an Ork player who wants to loot the shit out of that DG tank because it looks ded killy

>>54247520

I want footslogging, low model count, elite.

But my favourite armies, fluff-wise are Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Orks.

Basically, I want a Xeno army that plays like a marine army.

>>54247504
>Caring about what the filthy monkeys think
laughingbanshees.png

>>54247398
Lol what, that guys an idiot.

Maggot themed mortar tank is awesome for nurgle.

>>54247528
You can do that with Nids, easily.

>>54247475
alright, here's your (You), now fuck off

>>54247528
You can do that with Nids or Orks, at the very least. I don't really know what's good with Deldar.

>>54247528
Nidzilla you faggot

>>54247537

Not really. Even warriors, meant to be their elite troop choice, are only like 24ppm. Plus only come 3 to a box, so have to buy a fucking load of boxes.

@54247475
You need to try harder for my (You)

>>54247556
You don't need to use a troop choice. Go for another detachment and field all Carnifexes, or something. It's not hard.

>>54247528
Meganobz ya git

>>54247556
What are Carnifex, Guard, Broodlords, Lictors, etc?
Take Old One Eye and 6 Carnifex and blast the shit out of the front door.

>>54247556
You can get them up to 39 points a peice if you go all out.

But if you want more elite than that just go full nidzila and run nothing smaller than a carnifex.

>>54247565

Until they take those detachments away in the future. Which they absolutely will. Then I have an entire army I can't field.

>>54247528
Tau Battlesuit more or less does that, but with more mobility
Sadly, not in you list of fluff-liked ones

But what you really want is Grey Knights - follow your heart, anon!

>>54247573
No. No they won't. Where the fuck are you getting that idea?

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>>54247573

>>54247573
They're in the core rulebook. Why would they take them away?

>>54247398
"Hey guys i have photos of EVERYTHING but i cant show you for reasons."

What a wanker.

>>54247576

Like I said, the armies I like the gameplay of, I don't like the fluff of. I don't want to play an Imperial army, they're already overplayed.

>>54247580

I don't see stuff like Spearhead Detachment lasting more than one edition. It's too hard to balance.

The Death Korps of Krieg entry in the FW books has a differently worded version of Voice of Command:

Voice of Command
This unit may issue orders to those under their command at the start of any of their Shooting phases. Orders may only be issued to INFANTRY or CAVALRY units within 6" of this unit that have the DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG keyword. To issue an order, pick a target unit and choose which order you wish to issue from the table below. A unit may only be affected by one order per turn.

Duty unto death!
Any INFANTRY or CAVALRY model in the unit that is killed in the Fight phase immediately makes a single attack.

Without Mercy
All lasguns and all hot-shot lasguns in the ordered unit change their Type to Pistol 2 until the end of the turn.

Bring it Down!
Re-roll wound rolls of 1 for all the models in the ordered unit until the end of the phase.

Forwards, for the Emperor!
The ordered unit can shoot this phase even if it Advanced in its Movement phase.

Get Back in the Fight!
The ordered unit can shoot this phase even if it Fell Back in its Movement phase.

Move! Move! Move!
Instead of shooting this phase, the ordered unit immediately moves as if it were the Movement
phase. It must Advance as part of this move, and cannot declare a charge during this turn.

Fix Bayonets!
This order can only be issued to units that are within 1" of an enemy unit. The ordered unit immediately fights as if it were the Fight phase.
It states that a unit my only be affected once per turn, but there is no limit of one order given per unit using Voice of Command. RAW this means that a Korps marshal/officer could issue an order for each unit near it.

Do you think this is correct, or FW incompetence? Is it fluffy? Would you allow it in your games, or consider it WAACfagging (despite death korps not having first rank fire second rank fire)?

>>54247556
>I want a Xeno army that plays like a marine army.
>Troops that cost 24ppm are far too cheap
wut?

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Will CSM ever get to use Cataphractii terminator armor?

>>54247600
Of course it's correct, Death Korps orders are different to normal regiment orders, and have been since orders were introduced.

>>54247594
I think balance is doing pretty good right now, and we'll see it get better over time as they change up the points costs.

>>54247603

>Tyranid warrior - 24ppm, 3 in a box
>Space marine - 13ppm, 10 in a box

It's about value, senpai.

>>54247594
Spearhead detatchment isn't going anywhere, its no harder to balance than any other type snd GW has been on an upward trend of freedom in list building for a few edditions now, thats not going to change.

>>54247621
In which Warriors are faster, have more wounds, better weapons, and fuck you

>>54247613
>Will CSM ever get to use Cataphractii terminator armor?

Technically they already do. Tyhpus has it

Are Imperial guard Sentinels useful in 8th ed?

I want to get into the game and i love how Sentinels look so it'd be neat if they weren't terrible

>>54247621
Space marines take 5 to a troops choice, warriors take 3.

>>54247464

The main selling point of las weaponry over autoguns and other solid projectile weapons is ammo standardization, with a charge pack fitting anything from a man portable lascannon to a laspistol (obviously with different capacity).

They pretty much offer the same effectiveness but a MASSIVE logistic advantage, especially to an army as big and sprawling as IG.

>>54247639
Give a scout sentinel a heavy flamer and a chainsaw for memes.

>>54247636

And are still only 3 to a box. I can get a full tactical squad in a box, which is around 160 points, give or take for options. Or I can get 3 warriors which, maxed out, still won't break 100pts.

so both sponson weapons can fire at the same target? this is retarded.

>>54247600
>>54247614
Forgot to add: the different wording doesn't specify that Word of Command can only be used once per turn, so officers could, RAW, issue as many orders as there are units nearby.

>>54247639
i use three with autocannons and three with lascannons they are quite useful as long as you dont move them

>>54247243
Yeah but the Inquisitor games' stats are 1-100, rather than 1-10, so Gaunts could be Toughness 39 if there's no rounding.
Like how Catachans and generic Guard are both Strength 3. The Catachan would be Strength 38, while the, say, Tallarn would be Strength 32.

>>54247664
while true, the range on orders is not large enough for it to make much difference unless you pay the vox tax on every unit, plus you should still take multiple officers unless one gets sniped

if this was on scions then it would be very powerful, however not so much on dkok

>>54247621
If you want elite you could try not running the cheap worse equiped warriors.

Give them boneswords, deathspitters, toxin sacs adrenal glands and flesh hooks and they're 39 points each and decently hardcore for it.

>>54247655
Maxed out they're 138pts, go away.

>>54247655
That sounds great for you. I don't understand your complaint.

>>54247655
3 Warriors with toxin sacs, flesh hooks and adrenal glands, plus two boneswords and a venom cannon is 128 points.

Take a barbed strangler each and they are 146, what the hell are you talking about?

>>54247655
The warrior box also comes with sthe parts to make a tyranid prime, whos 104 points minimum.

>>54247128
Orks are the negroes, Chaos gods are the jews

>>54247696
Barbed strangler and venom cannon are 1 per 3 "heavy" weapons.

>>54247694

Because I don't want to have to end up buying endless boxes of models to make a decent sized army.

>>54247661
Arcs in general are gone and good riddance
It was one of the many ways vehicles were vastly inferior to monsters

>>54247528
There's nothing more footslogging and eliter than custodes really

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>>54247047
So /tg/, now that the dust has settled somewhat, what's your favorite Land Raider variant? What's the most effective, in your opinion, too?

>>54247709
Still 132 pts per squad with just 1, and 2 deathspitters.

>>54247721
Crusader is now budget-landraider
Other two are pretty expensive

>>54247729
Wrong thread, Anon.

>>54247664
Well RAI it's clearly once per turn, since the Marshal and Venner specifically state they can use it 2 or 3 times a turn respectively, which would be redundant if anyone could use it any number of times. I imagine it will be in the upcoming FAQ.

>>54247729
You're 40,000 years and an alternate universe behind my dude

>>54247721
Redeemer if I have the points, Crusader if I don't. Godhammer is a glorified predator at best.

>>54247406
No exact dates but space marines are getting it this month

>>54247718
No matter what you pick you're going to hsve to by a bunch of boxes to make an army, that's just how 40k is.

>>54247721
Landraider Crusader
Sadly GW fuck me up and I can no longer load those bitches with DCA, Crusaders, Priest and Random HQ.

So now I have 2 overpriced fun platform with no one to fill them up. At least till GW stop being a fucking retard regarding Inquisition and Church stuff.

Can I make a decent CSM army out of these units:

>Chaos Marines
>Terminators
>Possessed
>Daemon Prince
>Lord
>Sorceror
>Helbrute
>Raptors
>Spawn

Because those are the CSM units I like, I'm not really a fan of anything else they have.

Why did they nerf sicarian infiltrators in the faq again?
Also did we get any confirmation of which 10 armies are getting the codexces by the end of the year, apart from space marines, grey knights, csm and death guard

>>54247771
Because they were obviously the superior choice to Ruststalkers. So GW nerfed them in order to change that.

>>54247757
Overpriced fun, worst fun.

>>54247613
If new Lord of Contagion or Typhus is any clue, as well as the leaked death guard terminator pics, new legion units will get cataphractii armor

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>>54247782
I want my missile termies.

Fielding a Leviathan Dreadnought with my Deathwing, should I paint it in the same bone color or would the DA green be a more suitable choice?

>>54247652
I think lasguns might be a bit more powerful, because in the Imperial Primer it warns that lasguns can blow off limbs when describing how to treat lasgun wounds.
I know a lot of the Primer is propoganda, but it also states that lasgun wounds cauterize themselves, so a clean bandage will often suffice, but bandaging a lasgun torso wound is largely cosmetic, because the heat from the las-bolt will cause fatal swelling of vital organs.

>>54247787
If I was you I'd paint it GC era black. That shits old nigga.

>>54247790
Also consider how much better most armor is in M41. Standard flak can stop a Bolter.

>>54247721
Crusader for sure. I prefer my expensive anti-tank weapons to stay further back for safety, while I want my land raider driving close to get my bloodclaws or wulfen into combat. The crusader just murders infantry, and then my melee units can clean up nicely.

>>54247144
There is no real purpose it is just how they are genetically hardwired as their ecological strategy for growth, development and colonisation of ecological niches.

t. microbiologist

>>54247600
"Without mercy" is basically a better "Fix bayonets" as it gives you double lasgun shots at point blank instead of a single attack per soldier.

>>54247797
Makes sense. Plus I'm fielding Ravenwing too so it'd work from an overall color perspective rather than green which would stick out a lot.

>>54247144
>It's an arms race but against who?

Well...Against the other species ? Duh...

>>54247787
Terminator armor is also called Tactical Dreadnaught Armor.

>>54247787
It could have been easily repainted, but just go with the overall colour scheme of your army.
I'm personally a big fan of heresy era DA colours so I might be a bit biased, but black and red looks great on them

>>54247806
I don't remember if it's old fluff or just speculation (or speculation in old fluff), but there's something out there about them fleeing from something beyond the galactic rim out east.

>>54247807
I suppose it's meant to be used when you're charging, since you will have already shot and will be within rapid fire range if you can charge

Fixing bayonets for charging is very fluffy too

>>54247799
Bolters were AP5, and Flak Armor gives a 5+.
The only reason Bolters aren't -1 is because those Primaris Marines aren't going to shill themselves.

>>54247823
It WAS Creed outflanking them but now he's off the board so they're starting to gain momentum again.

>>54247823
Its in universe speculation, from an imperial scholar. In the same paragraph he also speculates that they're an unstoppable force of nature as old as the universe itself.

>>54247836
Well now theyre AP-. Get with the times, grandpa its now Canon whether you like it or not.

>>54247770
Sure.
Those are the standard units, they are all viable.

Some of them just have nothing going on, but are not necessarily bad.

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>>54247785
they all turned into obliterators, anon

>>54247823
Zoats were the ones running from the Nids. They could use Nid bio weapons.
(that is assuming my memory is correct)
Zoats made the nids and it backfired like a grey goo situation.

>>54247836
>The only reason Bolters aren't -1 is because those Primaris Marines aren't going to shill themselves.
AP5 = 0
AP4 = -1
AP3 = -2
AP2 = -3 or -4
AP1 = -4
This is not hard to understand

>>54247851
I thought zoats where a slave race and occasional diplomat for the tyranids.

Before their fluff went full murder hungry dinobug.

So Cawl is trying to rebuild the necron pylons on cadia. Why doesnt he just ask Trazyn how to do it? Also why dont the Necron already just employ this tech on every tomb world?

>>54247770
Lord + Sorcerer + Terminators + Raptors deepstrike alpha strike force is really good.

Chaos marines are workable.

Daemon princes are good.

Helbrute is good.

Spawn are really good.

Possessed are still trash.

>>54247865
There's some ap1 stuff thats -5, and there's some -6 as well.

>>54247849

Yeah, I've found that I just like the generic units the most. Stuff like the daemon engines just hold no attraction for me, they don't look like they fit in the rest of the army.

>>54247836
>>54247849
All weapons that were AP 5 or worse are now AP 0, boltguns didn't get singled out.

I agree with the choice, at a certain point (5+) a model's armor just didn't matter, and with a d6 system it created a huge gap between 4+ and 5+ saves. This change simultaneously made weapons that were AP 4 useful in their intended role, and gave units with 5+ saves a fighting chance against basic weaponry.

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Anyone has a suggestion for Acolyte models that are female?
I'm liking this, but I need about 15 models.

>>54247823
yeah I remember reading somewhere someone felt the hive mind was actually running away in fear from something, If we assume chaos is not contained to this one galaxy it could very well be they just migrated from somewhere where chaos just fucked up reality so bad there is no biomass so no more nutrients. Another known extragalactic faction are orks, it could be that nids got BTFO from orks so hard they had to abandon ship.

Most probably it's neither and just some "unknown threat" so people can theorise up. just like now. That doesn't mean they do what they do for a purpose, it's just their way of life so to say, When they turned on the light thingy they attracted the hive and it works like chemotaxis.
It remains to be seen how far is the evolutionary branching point between hive fleets and to which point they share the common hive mind. Not like GW will ever explore this anyway.

>>54247868
Maybe, but this is old lore and I'm remembering it from teenage years.

>>54247878
My problem are like the CSM and Possessed.

CSM are Havocs with less weapons. And that's it.
They are Troops, but other than that they cost the same and have the same equip and rules.
Boring.

Possessed are the same. If they had 2 wounds (for an increase in price) they would have been interesting.
Right now they do the same stuff as other units (like axe chosen) with some extra little rules that don't really add enough flavour to make them stand out.

What are some great boxnaught loadouts?

I bought the Venerable box and also kitbashed some Autocannons for it, so I have all those options

Afterwards I also discovered my dual Kheres Contemptor, so that's definitely a BRRRRT kinda guy (under the assumption no one sperges at FW) - what will complement that well?

>>54247770
Warp time sorcerer in terminator armor plus full sized terminator squad with all combi weapons- WE have the alpha strike now!

What would you guys pay for an assembeled Stone Crusher Carnifex? I never FW and somebody is trying to sell me one for 39. I just don't know if that's a deal or not. Help?

>>54247930
Should clarify $39 dollars US

>>54247868
> talking about zoats
Who gives a fuck. Those ugly abortion of a models are better left to history. Their fluff was retarded as well

>>54247872
Yea, because they didn't just convert all the weapons straight from 7th to 8th. They also buffed some weapons and nerfed others.

Note that both Pulse Rifles and Bolters lost their AP, which makes guardsmen equivalents a hell of a lot more survivable.

>>54247910
I've the same complaint with vanilla marines. My Black Templars feel especially dull and bad. Without rules to back up their chainswords, I feel like there is no point to using them without Helbrecht or a chaplain nearby.

Hopefully we won't be waiting long for new codexes and we can get back to smashing each other apart in our own unique ways.

>>54247942
Sounds like a recast because that model is way more than 39 bucks, assembled or not.

>>54247922
No reason not to take a plasma cannon. Average of 2 shots, and if you've got a 'reroll 1s' guy nearby you can overcharge them if you need to.

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>>54247850
Just make them good then, or cheaper, anyway.

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>>54247144
My personal headcanon as to why comes from the description of the Chaos gods as the reflections of the most powerful emotions of THIS galaxy.

Now imagine for a moment, that another far-off galaxy developed life and warp-resonance, but never sapience. What powerful emotions would create god-level reflections in the warp of of that galaxy? Sure there's lots of Anger, Despair, Excess, and Desperate Hope in the grimderpness of the future, but what about the 100% primal wilds? What comsumes the minds of animals? Eat. Breed. Survive. Now what would happen if this basic instinct were to resonate its own chaos god? The Great Devourer is a chaos god of its own galaxy. It does not reflect the complex emotions of sapient beings, but the primal and visceral need to feed and reproduce. It won whatever passed for a "great game" in its home galaxy, and has moved on to new hunting grounds. That's what the shadow in the warp is: The Devourer imposing its own warp paradigm on the world around it: one that the big 4 are not used to working with. That's why a species that's seemingly mindless is warp-sensitive, but never possessed. That's why a species seemingly devoted to efficiency in absorbing biomater chose such a dangerous galaxy to feed on: it's not just here to eat people, it's here to eat the chaos gods, because that's what The Devourer does. Khorne fights. Nurgle stagnates. Tzeench changes. Slaanesh parties. The Devourer, devours.

>>54247942
thats a good deal. take it.

they'reabout $70 new.

>>54247954
You get to attack one extra time with a Chainsword, so a model with 1 attack, a bolt pistol, and a chainsword is making three attacks total.

>>54247910
>>54247878

Possessed CAN be decent, but it requires a lot of support units that would make basically any unit decent. Run them with a dark apostle and a jump pack sorceror.

>>54247962
I hope they nerf obliterators again.

>>54247922
If you are looking purely for fire support then don't underestimate a Mortis with dual LCs. Admittedly a Contemptor Mortis might serve you better but I play only boxes for my Dreads and I'm loving having the firepower equal to a tri-las Pred or LR on a fairly cheap boxnaught platform.
For anything Venerable stick a cheap Captain next to them to give them absurd accuracy, obviously. Autocannons especially shine here but sadly there is no Venerable Boxnaught Mortis so you might have to turn to Contemptors.

>>54247868
This. Tyranids used to be a traditional species, they just used biotechnology (though not exclusively), and had client races they mind-controlled.
They were a bit like Tau in principle, each army has to have an X amount of Tyranids (what are now Tyranid Warriors), and the rest was 'auxiliaries' like Zoats or mercenary troops.

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>>54247972
>>54247957
It LOOKS good. It's just premade with double claws.

>>54247978
Of course you do, we never get anything good.

Bitter Within, Bitter Without.

>>54247986
wait.thats not a carnifex body though.

>>54247895

Don't know about female, but I've been kitbashing Frostgrave Cultists, Frostgrave Soldiers, and imperial guard (and some 3rd party 40k rip-off weapons as well since imperial guard plasma guns are unobtanium)

what are those models though? They look decent.

>>54247971
I can dig it.

so are the tyranid creatures like its deamons or just turbo devoted "cultists".

White Dwarf July up

https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

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>>54247997
....it's not? I'll admit I don't know Nids. It's a gift for a friend

>>54248023
Huh, looks like a mirelurk with a weird head.

>>54247975
It's not about decent or not. Everything is decent.
It's just boring.

I don't feel like buying and painting some possessed because they don't give me anything I can't already do with other stuff.

>>54248023
oh hang on. it is just converted
its just a 3e fex torso with 4e legs.

it looks fine to me really.

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>>54247895
Get yourself some of Statuesque Miniatures heads and kitbash to your hearts content.

I personally like having a varied ragtag bunch for acolytes so I use basically whatever bodies I can find, namely (for you) DEldar, Harlequins, Guard, GS cultists and Dark Vengeance cultists.

>>54248028

Oh, yeah, they're not bringing anything that can't be found elsewhere. I just field them because I play Word Bearers, so they're a fluff choice.

>>54248023
that's a 3e carnifex body (old one eye) with a 4e carnifex head, what I think are metal 4e hive tyrant legs and the FW siege arms on top

I wouldn't pay forty bucks for it.

>>54247959

>Plasma cannon

Literally the dreadnought heavy weapon with the lowest utility.

Second lowest is missile launcher, just because of rate of fire relative to the cost of the platform it's on. A cyclone would have been great.

>>54248050

I kinda like that conversion? It's a fairly lanky 'fex, but it goes well with the claws, makes it look like a boxer.

>>54248064
>Dreadnaught missile launcher
So disappointing every time man.

>>54247684
Toxic Sacs aren't worth it, honestly. Rest is ok, situational.

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>>54248016
>so are the tyranid creatures like its deamons or just turbo devoted "cultists".
How human of you to try and make such a distinction. Such powerful animal brains, and all they're used for is to complicate and categorize what could be simple functions. Your biomass will not ask such silly questions in its next iteration.

>>54248095
My ML/TLC venerable dread has been doing pretty damn good

WH40k newfag here, are forgeworld still working on the renegade/heretic line of figures, or is the expectation that players will make their own conversions and use the models? I haven't seen any new models in a while, and the new imperial armor lists of a lot absent units.

>>54248138
Forgeworld have some conversion kit, but really, everyone convert their own stuff.

A full FW renegade army would cost an arm and a leg. And maybe a kidney.

>>54248138
they're expecting people to convert.

they'll probably eventually add some more minis. but its likely a long long way off.

>>54248120
Cool, I hope you like how plasma tastes because it's all you'll be eating.

>>54248127

He's adequate but inefficient, essentially.

You could be taking a quad las Mortis or Contemptor Mortis.

>>54248156

thanks man, yeah that's what I was already half-planning on. They have some cool designs but I'd rather just mod some IG minis myself.

>>54248043
>Commissar without a hat
shameful

>>54248187
Ork stole it.

>>54248193
That's even more shameful.

Where the fuck can I get land raider/predator weapon sponson/weapon bits? everywhere I look is sold out

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>>54248210
Not for him, it's not.

>>54248220

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marine-Land-Raider?_requestid=28422883#

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I want to see what contemporary 40k battle reports look like. Will a kind resourceful anon upload some pics of one pls.

>>54247639
In theory yes, take hunter killers on all of them.

>>54248292
>>54248019

>>54248292
WD battle reports that is.

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>>54248011
I found them at the Bag dice lady.
As a side note she would even contact other companies she doesn't work with in order to get the models you want. So I always return to her for buying random models.

>>54248043
Well my army is basically a rag tag team. Basically an Inquisitors personal army, mostly using SoB rules for it.

Picture related would work well, if only this fuck would release the bloody things

>>54248292
Have you tried looking on youtube? There are dozens of hours of 8th edition batreps up all over youtube already.

>>54248220
Games Workshop sells Land Radier and Predator kits, check them out

Should I equip Grav cannon on Centurion now ? Though Grav weap isn't as trong as before anymore but surely they still have some use right ?

Best daemon/daemon prince models?

>>54248292
I've got bad news for you
Most of them are done by WAAC faggots wanking off their new netlist
As such most are complete garbage

Can anyone recommend some resins for casting pieces?

>>54248383
He means WD ones.

>>54248371
blood wrack medusa

I need ideas. Ideas for an Iron Warriors daemon Prince.

>>54248292
Even if they are a meme, I like miniwargaming and they have a good range of 8th ed batreps up already

They also tend to not make cheesy lists fwiw

>>54248409
Autistic, angry, angsty, edgy, doesn't like the color yellow, constantly autistically screeching?

>>54248403
Nice, that looks pretty awesome.

>>54248415
White Dwarf ones.

>>54248302

>>54248423
Perturabo?

>>54248423
>t. son of dorn who keeps getting his defenses pushed in

>>54248423
>Doesn't like the colour yellow

But we use yellow!

Meant model ideas, not how they act.

>>54248347
You can't spam them to murder vehicles quite as easily, but a lot of vehicles have a 3+, and grav hurts 3+. Still, it's not two lascannons and nipple missiles (although three of those is like 400 points).

Why not assault centurions in a land raider, or storm thunder talon hawk bird whatever?

>>54248383

Actually I have been looking for WAAC battle reports to see how the meme lists perform in actual play.

I have not been able to find a single BatRep running 100+ conscripts, razorwing flock spam or drone+ commander army.

>>54248438
Don't worry, ImpFists are just as if not somehow even more autistic. That being said it sort of says something that IW have such an obsession with beating up mentally retarded children.

>>54248371
Kit bashed ones

>>54248470
Best kits to bash?

>>54248487
Pewter ones and your skull.

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>>54248487

The guy in the back could make for an interesting base

Is the Avatar of Khaine worth using now?

>>54248431
Well then frigg off and Google them if you know exactly what you are looking for, you fag

>>54248516
Not the same guy, anon. Fuck off.

>>54248509
When has he not been?
>7th
He was awesome in 7th.

>>54247183
>that second list sure as fuck doesn't sound like 750pts
Thank you for pointing that out. I downloaded the PDFs and started to look over the points and you were right. His list was 981 points, not 750. That said, it wouldn't have really mattered, the Primaris Marines didn't do much. Between both squads, they killed maybe 6 Guardsmen total. It was pretty much the Land Raider, Custodes and Greyfax doing all the work.

>>54247398
How can you get so salty about a fucking tank? Don't like it, buy the FW stuff you keep fellating.

I mean its fucking nurgle, the most boring aspect of the most boring army in 40k, what the fuck do you expect?

Has anyone gotten their hands on the rules for the new Primaris captain/libbo yet?

>>54248523
Never used him to be honest, should I play him as a distraction carnifex?

>>54248537
Yeah, basically same as a normal one in most ways.

>>54248503
Nice, looks cool.

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>>54248537

>>54248549
main difference is that they get an extra wound and attack.

Their gear is more restricted with from memory only the assault bolter being different for the captain.

Each cost an extra power compared to the originals, no options for jetpack or being on a bike.

>>54248446
Thet guns look kind a cool so I thought would give it a try, but yeah maybe i'll go with the assault Centurion.

>>54248553
>tfw no Deathwatch ammo
;_;

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>>54247398
So its a chaos minotaur artillery tank? Looks cool

>>54248573
Yeah I think it looks cool too, whoever linked that video should be told their opinion sucks

>>54248553
The captain is just a more fat Canoness.
I'm missing something or what?

Which factions benefitted the most from 8th edition?

I already know that "Imperial Guard" won't be part of the answer, but a man can dream

>>54248455
That's due to the tourney fags needing to buy, build and then send the models off for a commission painter to do the rest. Give it a month.
Current cancer is max flier spam, which isn't a big issue for most armies to deal with.

>>54248621
Tau.
Cheap ebay listings, people will actually play you, still a cunt to face.

>>54248630
Specially since the bloody things end moving in a square.
You can it's movement rather easily or troll flame it too.

I have burn down a couple of flying crap with Immolator and BSS with flamers

>>54247294
I thought gaunts couldn't eat.

>>54247721
>what's your favorite Land Raider variant?
Either Excelsior or Terminus Ultra

>>54248621
Anon... Guard is Tier 0 now

>>54248542
He is absolutely deadly to anything without a storm shield, and he will eat T4 characters for breakfast. I intend to run him up my board inside a cloud of banshees and see what my opponent does.

>>54248683

Infantry gunline guard is

Tank guard is mid tier, combined arms Tier 2

>>54248409
I'd kit-bash a Daemon Prince with a Helbrute or Defiler to get it very Mechanized look. A Cyber-Daemon Prince

>>54248734
Either way 8th was amazing to Guard

>>54248722

As a lot of other things are

Ie: Draigo with hammerhand hits on 2 rerolling 1s, wounds T9 on 2 and deals 3 damage a pop. He will absolutely murderize anything he charges.

>>54248657
I do recall reading in a white dwarf that there are hive fleets with Rippers that gorge themselves, and then throw themselves into the digestion pools, and there are ones who simply regurgitate. The previous codex said that Hormagants would sometimes be deployed outside of the synapse web to just wander around and kill shit, and they could breed rapidly. It stands to reason that they would have a digestive system to facilitate growing from eggs.

>>54248767
This is true but Eldar historically don't get access to melee murder machine characters since Phoenix Lords have been shit since about 3rd. Khaine does his job very decently, has access to rerolls in Guide and Doom support, and can carve up heavy vehicles and maybe even a moderately-wounded Knight if he gets the charge due to his 2d6 drop lowest damage.

starting an imperial guard army, with a focus on scions

just got the scion starter and an additional squad of scions, what should i buy next?
i was looking for combined arms between vehicles and deep strikers

should i get more scions for an even 15 + 5 for the command squad, or should i get something like a heavy weapons squad?

if it helps, most people like to use space marines at my LGS

54247475

lol sad cunt, not our fault your video's shit

Warham community page just posed Reiver stuff. You get the gist of their rules.

They're leadership modifying Intercessors that can't be Overwatched again, with 3 attacks.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/10/tactica-primaris-space-marine-reivers-july-10gw-homepage-post-2/

>>54248848
Another scion starter probably! Moar Scions.

>>54248864
So Primaris being fat Eldar units is not just a meme.

Oh wow!

For protection my Basilisk from specifically Carnifex rush WITHOUT USING CONSCRIPTS what would be a more effective counter, Assault Cents or Dev Cents? I got a box half off and figure I can fit it in my lines.

My gut tells me Dakka Dev Cents but my heart says Assault Cents with big punchy drill fists that go pow kablam.

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>>54248864

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>>54248880

>>54247076
It's on my to do list, but I might get inspired to do it during a game

>>54248917
The last one should be banshee. I mean the river marines scream now

>>54248894
That dude on the right better not be dabbing.

>>54248879
alright, im gonna save up for a second box, hopefully they still make them by the time i get all my cash

any small incremental thing to add while waiting?
another squad of scions or maybe a hellhound or sentinel?

>>54248948
Nah, think he's just enjoying himself.

>>54248958
Depends on the theme you're going for! Sentinels are good but aren't so good for your wallet. Not sure about hellhounds but I have heard they're good, especially with the Dr Thrax chemical cannon. A Valkyrie or Vendetta should be pretty good and thematic with Scions. More scions is always good, I hope you paint them!

>>54248734
does anyone have a list of all tiers ?

>>54249003
Top tier:
My army
Shit tier:
Your army

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>>54247850
I want updated Obliterator sculpts or more lore for them

>>54249019
What if we play the same army though ?
Does that make us middle tier ?

>>54248884
Assault centurians
I've used them several times with the new (and old) edition
But now they are crazy. Dual flamers and hurricane bolters? 6d6 flamer hits plus 36 bolter shots and drills make them crazy good vs hordes and heavy stuff.

>>54247076
All characters and squad leaders are named after the marines from Aliens, one day I'll get around to converting Inquisitor Ellen Ripley (Ordo Xenos obviously)

>>54249037
No, it makes us both patricians of fine taste.

>>54249037
No, my army would be top tier regardless. Yours will always be shit.

Simple math really

>>54247671

Actually in Inquisitor and in Dark Heresy its pretty easy to get your most dedicated stat to 40-50 ish as a normal human, the difference between humans and marines is that marines get Unnatural Toughness/Strength which flat out doubles their STR/Tough bonuses and gives them an automatic degree of success on those skills (plus a bunch of other astartes special rules)

So even a Catachan half-ogryn badass with 55 (5) strength will never compete with the weediest manlet marine with 40 (8) strength.

>>54249003
>>54249037
How exactly do you hope to quantify a tier? Upon what criteria is an army assigned a tier? We have zero tournament data to go off of and as such you are literally placing your trust in the neckbeards jerking off to their latest unbeatable meme list. Furthermore, by the time we establish tiers, the codices will be out and all that data is irrelevant anyway.

What I'm trying to say here is tires don exits but seriously just don't make obviously retarded army building decisions and you should do okay against TAC

>>54249044
I'm so sad that Inquisitors are rather shit unless they are named.
Inquisition section is so boring and overpriced.

Looking at you Acolytes with 1 Shitty wound!

>>54249001
the dr thrax cannon sounds good, especially since i need fast armor to keep up with my taurox prime and scions

the thrax cannon sounds very useful against marines as well you can tell its just right, when the flesh falls off the bone

this will leave me with just 10 scions and the command squad for the infantry department, though

>>54247047
So, question: What is the worst thing that a Slaanshi cultist, space marine or human, could do to another Space Marine, while appeasing their god?

>>54248614

he's just a normal marine captain with +1W. the primaris tag and different wargear options. Same with the librarian.

Granted, normal captains are pretty sweet now.

>>54249077
Read it Vogon poetry.

NEXT

>>54249091
Feels more like a nurgle punishment.

>>54248848

Another start collecting scions and probably a valkyrie.

You'll want the taurox prime even if its empty, they're legitimate attack vehicles.

Just be warned that Scions are kinda fuckin expensive to make a 2000 point army of since each 200 point 10 man squad+taurox is $68. Luckily you play guard and can easily supplement them with some tanks or artillery that have an easier point per dollar ratio.

>>54249043
I was thinking that honestly. Either a group of Carnifex, a Flyrant, or a Trygon and Gaunts will pop up by it and I figure they have an answer for everything. I don't own Index 1 being a Guard Player. Anyone have their data I can steal?

Also I already have a small Red Hunter manlet marine force but what should my new Ass Dev chapter be?

>>54249073
Inquisitor faction is a meme.

>>54249065
Tiers will be a thing eventually. Maybe the index lists aren't going to be that far apart, because historically full releases for all armies tend to be more balanced, but it's just a matter of time until somebody discovers something in a new book that blows other stuff out of the water.

FW gave me my Vindicator Laser Destroyer back, then took away my Thousand Sons Rapiers

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>>54249077
give them a hug

>>54249154
>then took away my Thousand Sons Rapiers
Blame Ahriman.

>>54248940
this.

>>54249077
convert him to the Slaaneshi side and unleash him upon and innocent, unprepared and hopefully unarmed populace. I think Slaanesh would appreciate the irony of a staunch defender of mankind murder-raping is way though an orphanage... preferably on a cardinal world

>>54249148
>historically full releases for all armies tend to be more balanced
All one of them, you mean? You are right though.
>tfw 3rd started out so promising

Anyway, I'm splitting hairs. That was my point, indices are somewhat balanced against one another. Sure there will be cheese lists but as the meta re-establishes itself I have faith that counters will likewise emerge. It's too early to put armies into tiers yet.

Frankly codices will ruin the careful balance that may exist right now, but GW is GW.

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So a death rider got accidentally packed with my forge world order.

>>54249136
t. assblasted marinelet

>>54249162
>Blame Ahriman.

If Ahriman turned all non Sorcerers into dust, who maintains their equipment / pilots their vehicles?
>Rubric Techmarines?
>Techno-sorcerers?
>Reverse-Gremlins?

>>54249073

Remember that most of the utility of Inquisitors comes from their psychic powers, which are pretty alright.

Hopefully they unfuck them when Imperial Agents gets their codex in 2 years.

>>54249210
Recast?

>>54249210
Email them saying that you'll send it back if they offer to pay for shipping, get good goy points

>>54249224
>Recast?
it's in a fucking Forgeworld clamshell

>>54249197
Don't forget Ravening Hordes.
That was a great release.
I'm currently having an open bet running wether or not formations are going to come back and the way I'm seeing it, they will and I'll get myself a few nice things for it

>>54249224

Nope, legit. Just seems a slightly degraded mould.

>>54249229

If those points were actually worth anything, sure. As is, I'll take my gas mask horse bonus to my over £250 order.