EDH/Commander General

First for Toshiro Umezawa

>>54233865

I've considered a lot of stuff for Mono-B. Toshiro looks pretty fun but I want to try this out first. I'm a mill player; I love alt-wins. Toshiro will be my next in line if this doesn't work out. :)

third for Tetsuo Unezawa

>>54233866
>shitty EV
>most viable EDH card is a promo next week
>WE WUZ KANGZ
>Amonkhet block's clunky mechanics

no thanks

>>54233866
I work Saturdays and Sundays. It's pretty great, I get time and a half, so a full day of pay for six hours of work, but I do need to get up in the mornings so no preres for me.

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Post em

Best general for UB Cycling.dec? I considered the Scarab god, but it works really badly with Abandoned Sarcophagus.

>>54234071
I would run Sygg for value. Maybe Drainu?

>>54233866
What is the best boros deck?

>>54234189
Kaalia.

>>54234189
Probably Aurelia or Gisela but, you know. It's still Boros. Depala and Brion are fun enough.

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>>54233866
If it wasn't for EDH, MTG would have been a complete mistake. It's the one positive that came out of this trash heap since modern. And pauper is fine too I guess but, you know.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/monarch-mischief/

Trying to make my budget Queen Marchesa deck. I included the Sunforger and a decent pack of removal and all the good monarch cards I saw.

Any secret tech I might have overlooked?

>>54234005

>>54234248
>Modern
>positive thing
o i am laffin

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>>54233866
>Thread Question
There was literally only three cards I wanted from the set and my brother got two of them from the prerelease he went to as is. I'll just buy a God-Pharaoh once he drops down to around $10 and patiently wait for Ixalan, AKA The Return of Hype.

I'm building an Edric deck, any underrated cards I might be missing out on?

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>>54234361
This fucker. He may be hard to cast at BBB, but No Mercy is like $15

>>54234248
modern is dog shit and literally only serves to make a small group of people rich at the expensive of a huge amount of retards. buying into modern should earn you a bullet to the back of the head

>>54234569
What colors will you be using?

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>>54234361
I've always been a fan of Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos/Butcher of Malakir. Being in White, you can also run Martyr's Bond.

Is prerelease stuff still going on today?

>>54234872
Yup, im at mine right now

>>54234698
I love this art and wish it were available black bordered nonfoil.

7th edition has one of the best magic aesthetics of all time but is held back by the borders.

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>never played mtg before
>hear about commander and it sounds like a lot of fun
>get a pile of cards off of someone and the only legendaries are stangg, ambassador laquatus, nemata of the grove and ihsans shade

After doing some research it seems like some of the cards are good for edh like Rogues Passage, Swiftfoot boots, Buried ruin, Evolving Wilds and Blighted Woodland but it doesn't seem like I have much to go off here. I have a lot of ramp green cards though so that seems alright. What's some fun stuff to do with Nemata? Also are there any good starter decks etc to look out for?

>>54235011
>Also are there any good starter decks etc to look out for?

Most of the precons are actually not bad so just look at them and choose one you like

>>54234158
Yeah, I was considering Sygg since he's the most "Yeah, sure". Cheapo general, doesn't need much, doesn't give much, likely to survive a turn.

Drainu would eat up a lot of slots for the lich effect. I'm not 100% there, but the options are surprisingly limited.

>>54235011
Nemata can be pretty awesome. Just shit out as many Saprolings as possible, which isn't a hard task, then pack a few Overrun-type effects for the kill. Simple token beatdown.

>>54235097
I have Overrun and Ridgescale Tusker, maybe I can find some more cards like those off people. This format seems really slow so is it a good idea to have mostly medium cost cards for the value?

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>>54234938

>>54235122
If you want to be competitive, sure. I've always found the game is more fun when you just play big shit heedless of the cost, personally. Be sure to run all sorts of land ramp though! In a deck like this, Rampant Growth, Nature's Lore, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach and Skyshroud Claim should be high priorities. As far as Overrun-type effects go, a few key ones I can think of besides Overrun itself include Craterhoof Behemoth, Pathbreaker Ibex, Overwhelming Stampede and even Triumph of the Hordes if you want to dabble in poison.

>>54235011
i'd suggest buying a premade commander deck from wizards of the coast. they're good for beginners.

then after you've playtested a bit and see what you like, ask your friends and/or browse edhrec for ideas

>>54235190
I have Rampant Growth and Journey of discovery although because I would only be using green mana with Nemata I don't really understand why I would use Rampant Growth over just another forest.

>>54235192
I'll see if I can find one of those at my local cardshop.

Looking for something like pic related for Angry Omnath. I'm thinking Constant Mist maybe?

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>>54235292
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>>54235182
Heresy

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So what would you use in white to blink stuff like Solemn Simulacrum, Kor Cartographer, and Knight of the White Orchid?
The only card I can think of off the top of my head is Eldrazi Displacer.

Pretty newbie question but had it come up in my last game
>place +1/+1 on gyre sage
>next turn block a 1/1 infect with aforementioned creature
>my turn proliferate
>I say I tap for 2 mana from gyre
>friend argues that she taps for 0, since his neg counters cancel my positive counters

So do cards maintain different kinds of counters? Or do opposite effects override each other?

>>54235468
Your friend was right.
>So do cards maintain different kinds of counters?
Yes.
>Or do opposite effects override each other?
Only example of such is +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters. And yes they do cancel each other out.
Also when you were proliferating you were supposed to select each perm or player that you were putting additional counter on. Gyre Sage had no counters and wasn't a valid target for the ability.

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>>54235355
Displacer is definitely the best one, but there's a bunch of stuff.

hey guys, can you give me some feedback for this deck? i haven't played since last year cause life bs so i don't know how well this will work

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/obzedad-curse-lock/

>>54235532
Displacer, Interlude, Ghostway, and others you'd care to list?

>>54235629
Well, there's a bunch of stuff that shows up when you search magiccards.info for something like "exile creature return to the battlefield" in the rules box.

Also, Flickerwisp.

>>54235302
there is that one card that says "sac a land:you draw two card" but also says "yo can't play lands"

>that guy at the card shop with a lewd anime alter commander

why do people do this?

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>>54235355
angel of condemnation if you don't mind doing it once per turn on 1 guy

>>54233866
I did attend pre, had to trade/buy for Scarab promo and AKH Liliana, still have to get Neheb and Razakhet.

>>54234005

>>54235753
>he doesn't have an alter of Daxos of Meletis in a thong
What are you, gay?

>>54235753
I imagine to make environments less child friendly.

Or because they want to fuck a cartoon.

>>54233866
HOU is a dog shit set

>>54235997
agreed. Overwhelming Splendor and Tomb of Scarabs are the only good cards in the set.

>>54234938
What's wrong with white borders?

>>54236036
Do you have a copy of a card with both white and black borders? Hold them up side by side. The black border looks better with fantasy artwork. There's a reason why Wizards stopped printing white borders.

>>54236074
eh i dont really think there is a problem with white borders, they dont really look worse to me. plus the make prices cheaper

>>54236035
And the crucible of worlds snek

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>>54234005

>>54236036
It yellows and ages terribly if not kept cryogenically/hermetically sealed.

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Alright, so one of my playgroup members bought the new Archenemey set and immediately came up with a terrible idea: each of us build a commander deck to play Archenemey. And the commander is any Planeswalker instead of a legendary creature. One more rule: there's a strict budget of $100.

Which walker do I choose and what deck do i build? Because I'm at a total loss.

>>54236143
oh yeah, forgot about that.

>>54236103
>makes prices cheaper
that's because most people don't find them aesthetically pleasing. if you like them, that's cool. but Wizards found that they weren't well liked.

>>54236195
>$100 budget
Build Kraken kiora and proliferate. Have your entire game plan be about fogging, ramping then shutting out krakens.

Alternatively, Apex Predator Garruk would be pretty fun. Just run a bunch of removal and smash face with budget demons.

>>54236195
Bant Tamiyo budget stuff.

>>54236195
you're right, that does sound like a terrible idea. tell him to think of something better

>>54235543
bump? really looking for some feedback here

>>54236225
i bet my completely white bordered deck would make your autism go insane

>>54235997
>>54236035
>Claim / Fame
>Crested Sunmare
>Hour of Promise
>Hour of Revelation
>Mirage Mirror
>Neheb
>Bolas
>Nimble Obstructionist
>Pride Sovereign
>Ramunap Excavator
>Solemnity
>Supreme Will
>The Bugs

Admittedly, some are only "okay", but there are plenty that are good or good enough.

>>54236319
>100% white boarders
>triggering somebodies autism
m8 you fixed the pattern that was causing the flare up in the first place.

>>54236319
doesn't bother me any, i was just trying to explain why white bordered cards are cheaper than any possible black bordered counterpart

depending on the card i think some look better with white borders

>>54236235
>>54236238
I like both of these ideas. I can probably get away with UG with a small W splash. Garruk I like, too. And I don't have any deck with B in it. I guess I have my short list. Thanks.

>>54236254
I tried talking him out of it, but it was no use. And everyone's on board. I don't want to not play, because I love playing magic, so all i can really do is try to make a decent deck and hope for the best.

>>54236319
It's beautiful when you get the whole deck white bordered actually. Only combining them is annoying.

>>54235355
brago

>>54236659
Mono white

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>>54235355
>>54236922

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>Sit down for commander night
>opponent has this as his commander
Wat do

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-etherium-shaper-competitive-combo/

I don't get it anon, is it LOD + Salvagers?

>>54237069
Break out your mill deck.

>>54237088
LED*

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>>54237069
>Oh, I didn't realize we were allowing non Legendary commanders.

>>54237069
Keep mana open for instant speed artifact removal for water tower

>>54237069
pull out your gristlebrand deck with primeval titan x biorythm win combination..

>>54237175
>mono b with green cards
Anon?

>>54237069
Enjoy the unique game.

>>54235355
Galepowder Mage

>>54237088
It looks like Laboratory Maniac is the way that it wins the game. The only other way that I see is creature beatdown after using a combo to draw your deck and have total control. I'd just include Pyrite Spellbomb as a way to win if Laboratory Maniac is exiled but I don't play Breya Laboratory Maniac so this version is probably better.

>>54237069
looks like my leovold deck is unbanned too :)

>>54237334
we were talking about infinite combos though.

I run Breya/Ashnod/Nim and he mentioned my deck was too slow and showed me this.

Except for LED+Salvagers I don't see much going on.

>>54233866
/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

>>54237211
Just as legal as Tamanoa as your commander, technically. And if you're gonna be a shitler, may as well go all the way with the technicalities.

>>54237397
fucking brian

>>54237397
Kys

>>54237247
This is the answer.

>>54235011
Mono black Ishan's Shade EDH, be the villain anon, do it

Boardwipes, devotion, spot removal and life drain, black edh builds itself

>>54237861
But can any other colors be villans?

>>54237397
>literal autists
>literal furries
>literal /pol/
Never again

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>>54238067
>complaining about autists
>/edhg/

Who are some fun Azorius or Boros commanders?

>>54235750

Aggressive Mining?

>>54238135
>Azorius
Daxos, Bruna, Brago, Lavinia, Ephara.
>Boros
None.

>>54238254
Thanks for the recommendations.
I can't say I'm too surprised about Boros still being boring, but I was hoping that had changed since I last checked.

>>54238135
Kalemne & Akiri+Bruse Tarl are both fun.

>>54238324
It's not entirely true, you can have fun with Basandra or Gisela or Brion, but Boros is just incompetent in too many ways for me to enjoy it, even with heavy artifact support.

>>54238337
I'll check those out too, thank you.

>>54238351
That's the same problem I've had in the past with Boros, I really like the design and general theme, but it's tough to maintain the theme without being real vulnerable

I'm looking for some cards I could use for the future G/W Cat Commander. Anyone got some ideas? I was looking for some token/artifact synergy and some lifegain.

>>54238575
Emmara Tandris, Trostani, both Odrics.

>>54238575
>>54238626
I wasn't talking about commanders to use, but about artifacts and creatures. What are some good cats? What artifacts go well with them?
But thanks still!

>>54238575
I'd recommend waiting for the list itself, or at least for the 2 other gw cat legos that will be included with it, unless you don't care and you'll just run their avatar, or forgo tribal and do normal stuff.
If so: Jazal for pump, Regal Caracal,and Mufasa from AKH and HOU, Trostani, George Clooney from SOI, True conviction, Conclave's Blessing is ~ok~.

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>>54234005

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Thoughts on running Thrasios as a Draw / GO commander ? Kydele would be an extra commander for occasional ramp, Azami tapping and Pod food.

>>54238351
>>54238410
Has anyone found a way tomake boros fun and not jank?

>>54233866
>Thread Question
I did! Got a promo The Scorpion God, went 2-1 and netted Solemnity and The Scarab God in my prize packs along with a lot of other shit. Bretty gud value all things considered, would've only been sweeter if my promo God was the Scarab or Locust instead.

Also, Djeru plus Gideon in Limited is as disgusting as you'd imagine. Shame he's only worth pennies.

>>54239147
No. Simple fact of the matter is that it goes U>G=B>R=W for how janky each color encourages, which makes Boros the jank extreme. On the other hand, if you don't like it then don't play it, and fun and jank aren't mutually exclusive.

>>54239256
>>54239147
By which I mean, Blue is least janky, Red/White is most janky.

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>>54234005
thinking about building scarab god or new neheb next

>>54239256
I'm just dead set on making a good boros deck

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>>54234005
Working on a Scorpion God deck as well on top of a trio of decks in the future

Ishai and Kraum, what comes to mind?

>>54239573
1) Anti-Combo by gaining value from opponents spells.
2) Wow it's shit anyway, play something else.

>>54239147
Ive seen an idea for a RW twin deck that i thought seemed pretty good for boros. Worse than other twin decks but still, decent for Boros. Commander probably doesnt really matter though. Probably Archangel Avacyn for combo protection if your mana ever gets that high and a boardwipe.

>>54237945
White makes for some good villains.

So I was hoping to make a saproling tribal deck. My original thought was using Thelon and his fungi because it seems already pretty well fleshed out.
But then I thought a bit and came up with the idea of Tana paired with Sidar to make a Naya deck. Sidar would help get Tana and the other saps through for damage, which could be cool, and white has good token synergies.
The thing is I don't like attacking a lot, I would prefer being able to either gain cumulative advantages and win that way or do some janky combo that might or might not win me the game.
I think that Jund would be a better color combination for my play preference, but I can't think of a general that would help out the strategy, can any of you?

Does a creature leave the battlefield with the counter on them, or do the counters get destroyed?

>>54239919
Skullbriar keeps the counters, Reyhan can pull them onto something else, everything else loses them if it's allowed to go to leave the battlefield.

>>54239919
yes, you have to melt your dice

>>54239901
You could try a Stax style deck with Shattergang Brothers. Saproling cards will make sure you have fodder to sac to keep the board clear, and can feed things like Possessed Portal and Smokestack pretty effectively.

>>54233866
What sleeves do you guys use?

>>54240066
dragon shield matte and i highly recommend them

i have some of those eclipse sleeve that were given to me on one deck. they are nice but not worth the money imo

>>54240066
Dragon Shield Perfect Fits with Dragon Shield Matte Blue for my entire collection. If you have a Satin Tower, store them for a day in that, all the air bubbles will get pushed out.

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>>54240066
Dragging Shield Matte with Dragon Shield perfect fits. It's how all EDH decks should be sleeved.

>INB4 that one nigga with ghetto beat up penny sleeves

Ixalan full spoiler when?

I want to start working on my Dinosaur EDH deck and have no idea how many Dinosaurs will actually be worth running. Building a ramp Naya deck around an unknown amount of creatures is pretty difficult.

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>>54240156
>not that one guy with Neptunia sleeves to prove that he's a degenerate

>>54240037
I've never played Stax before. I hear about it's degeneracy though. I have wanted to play it.
Is it expensive? Besides the namesake, what else should I look into getting?

>>54233866
So how is Breya to play? I've been on Ephara which was easy enough to build with cards I had on hand, but it just doesn't feel like there's enough "there" there: fairly anemic lines of play with cards that while synergistic with Ephara do little on their own.

I realized that by taking apart Ephara I can rebuild 8.5 Tails which while not objectively powerful was a blast to play and parts of it would slot into a possible combo-lite Breya build.

My other deck is Akroma, Angel of Fury.

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>>54240194
Speaking of which, look what I use __:^)

>>54240274
>Youmu
Acceptable.

>>54240216
Fair warning, depending on how hardcore you go you will very much be the "no fun allowed" deck, so prepare for that. Death Cloud and Grave Pact off the top of my head are good ones as well, but just look online, I'm sure there's stax primers for EDH out there.

>>54240066
Both have dragon shields, one silver one turquoise. I use Miku sleeves for the commanders

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>>54240274
>Not having Japanese Goburin sleeves for your goblin deck
Shameful

>>54240371
Haha, that's fine, I don't exactly have a very strong deck right now. Only have Bant draw power, Naya big butts, and I just tried to make a stronger Karlov deck.
I'll check it out, thanks for the advice!

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>>54240412
So how much would I have to pay for 50 or 60 Kobolds of Kher Keep tokens with this on it?

>>54238067
Literal never logged in

>>54240066
Dragons, speaking of which... anyone tried the new Jet colored and whatever the other two colors were? I considered expanding my palette of DS sleeves but I'm unsure which ones from the non-classic palette (classic colors- before matte sleeves) are worth it and fitting the Scarab. Do I go my usual for 2c which is enemy color of both or do I go with more sandy/stoney color fitting the amonkhet palette...

>>54238777
First person all thread to play any old-bordered generals!

>>54234005
i am new to edh. how highly should i value dorks? i am starting to think i need to cut down on cheap dorks in lieu of rocks and other ramp. my decks overall feel a bit underpowered and don't have much to do later in the game.

>>54234361
Can you post the agustin iv decklist?

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>>54240541
forgot my little picture...

>>54240412
But my Wort deck is mainly tokens and spellslinging. Golbins are just a part of it.

and I sadly don't have Suika sleeves. Anime sleeves are only 1 print run, so once they're out, they're immediately hard to get.

>>54240541
>>54240562

The closer you are to achieving combo and/or stax perfection the more valueable they become, it's always +1 mana that gets past mana locks like contamination or blood moon (but you should run basics anyway when not on 5c). On more casual decks not that much but you still should run at least a few.

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>>54240500
I like the looks of them better and old sets (especially Legends) are fucking cool so I tend to play exclusively old-border commanders. I'm working on Angus Mackenzie right now but I don't know what direction to go other than just a generic creature toolbox. However, I'm thinking of building Kefnet soon so I can lock people out with Quicksilver Fountain.

>>54240541
>>54240562
I run Selvala, Explorer Returned, and I run her with Arbor Elf, Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Boreal Druid, Devoted Druid, Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, Llanowar Elves, Priest of Titania, and Wirewood Channeler, for 11 dorks total, but that's because 1) I don't want to hit lands with Selvala's ability, so I cut my land count down to 31, and 2) I run To Arms! and Vitalize, so each dork can count more than once. Dorks is mostly a Green thing, and Doran should be running at least a few, and you should be running Deathrite Shaman without a second thought.

>>54240650
>Angus Mackenzie
Fuck meant to say Adun Oakenshield

>>54240595
>Anime sleeves are only 1 print run, so once they're out, they're immediately hard to get.
That's interesting. I see them pop up on AmiAmi occasionally so I'm not surprised there's a collectible market of sorts for them. I'm too much of a socially awkward fuck anyways to want to advertise my weebness at my LGS.

>>54240744
What you're seeing are preorders, which are the best time to get them.

Some do not get sold out right away, but 1-2 months later, they're gone usually.

>>54240623
that makes sense. my grenzo deck is almost pure combo and the dorks put in work there.

>>54240657
>boreal druid
nice i love that dude. i've never used deathrite....is it really that easy to find lands to exile? i don't run fetches myself (cause money).

if i have a decent number of 2, 3, and 4 drop ramp creatures can i cut the 1 drops? i'm always struggling to find room in my decks for big spells.

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>>54240650

I'm about to buy about $150 in Legends legends. I love them, love old magic art/style. Even if it's not nearly as powerful, it makes me happy.

>>54240541
not sure why you tagged me but mana dorks are shit, stick with rocks and land ramp

>>54240813
i tagged you cause i was (attempting) to "post em"

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>>54240744
>>54240766
Truth. Even some rarer anime print sleeves are even harder to get since some of them are just released by fanstores or special events.

Pic of a typical card sleeve rack in Akibahara.

>>54240840
ahh i feel, ya dorks are the easiest to remove, wouldnt use too many of them if at all. birds of paradise is probably the only one cause it taps for any color of mana

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>>54240788
I feel you my dude. I wish I was old enough to have played back then.

Speaking of Legends, I watched a dude play flip it or rip with a pack of Italian Legends at GP Vegas and it gave me fucking heart palpitations. There was nothing of value in the pack thankfully but still.

>>54240885
>many Touhous
>No Ran
The presence of a good-looking Youmu at the bottom just goes to show: Japan CAN have good taste. Sometimes they just decide not to.

No Ran is poor taste.

>>54240905
See i feel like the dorks are not great because they die too easy thing is a bit of misconception or myth or whatever. If they get blown out by a wrath on turn 4 or 5 or whatever, you were already placed turns ahead of your opponent before then. A wrath is an equalizer at worst for you, it doesnt really outright set you back unless you went full retard and dropped your hand which could happen to anyone really wihout s ateau source of ca, and creature heavy green decks play stuff to compensate for that like creeping renaissance and such. The best dorks (1 drops) come down early enough that you get multiple turns of value out of them.

I think the biggest issue with them is that they are horrible mid to late game, and in commander for most people that is the majority of the game. Normal ramp isnt great either but its better than casting a summoning sick dork that wont do anything.

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So, /edhg/ how Oldfag/Newfag/Focused/Scattered is your deck?

Also, guess the commander for Pic Related, cards other than basics listed.

>>54240885

>playing magic the gathering
>using stupid anime girl card backings

literally autism. why? if it was an anime trading card game, sure, but it's totally unrelated to mtg. such faggotry

>>54241062
One of the new Gods?

>>54241090
>Stop liking what I don't like!

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>>54234005
Silas and Ravos are still in the first build, shit is funny though.
>Walking Ballista 8 times a game
>Engineered Explosives 3 times a game
>Flight Spellbomb all game

>>54240778
If you run a few slow fetches he can get some good mana production. Even if you don't, his ability to get rid of key cards in GY strats shouldn't be underestimated.

>>54241113
>There's nothing wrong with me eating shit!

What do you guys think of the Nicol Bolas deck box?

>>54241090
growing up in my town shit like this was very popular. the best and coolest magic players all had pink unicorn sleeves and shit. at first it would catch you off guard but then you would realize that it was a way of undermining expectations. if you showed up with a badass grim reaper deck case it was obvious that you had no sense of humor and the better players would crush you with their unicorn deck.

my local scene has changed a lot in the past ten years and it's not like that anymore but i still like to get pink and lavender sleeves.

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>>54234005
Dralnu has since become a Doomsday deck and it makes people very mad. I might give Hidetsugu a build next, I've always liked him

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I know this is a dumb question, but what card do you guys think is better?

>>54241409
They're about equal, but Rishkar's edges out because you get a free spell off it and Revelation doesn't advance your board state.

It primarily depends on whether your deck goes tall or wide

>>54241409
It really depends what deck I'm playing. Mono G Omnath? Rishkar's Expertise. Rishkar himself? Ironically, Shamanic Revalation.

>>54241409
i feel like rishkar's is easier to use and genereally better but if you have a huge token strategy the shamanic revelation is better

>>54241409
Depends on the deck really. You have to reliably be able to have 3+ dudes out for Shamanic, and you have to reliably be able to produce 3+ power dudes for Rishkar's. Obviously if your commander is reasonably costed and isn't 1/2 power I'd say Rishkar's is a pretty safe bet. The free card is nice as well since you're not potentially spending your whole turn just drawing.

Hello commander general, is Power Hungry a good contructed deck for someone who wants to start playing commander?

>>54241603
So here's the thing. Prossh is currently one of the strongest commanders in the format, but Power Hungry is not very good. Prossh's power comes from an infinite loop with Food Chain and any ETB/LTB damage trigger or haste enabler, something Power Hungry doesn't have. The best precon out of the box would probably be Meren of Clan Nel Toth, Plunder the Graves.

>>54241603
Assuming you're not looking specifically for the best bang for your buck or for the most powerful one, any of the precons are a good intro to the format, you should do some research and pick one whose flavor or mechanics fit your personal play style. As someone who plays Modern and Legacy, the draw for me towards EDH is that it's a lot more friendly to personalization than competitive formats, so in that vein you should just pick the one you like the best.

I have never played EDH in my entire life. I have the majority of the cards to build this http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-02-17-the-queens-army/

Could I get some feedback at all? Even a holy shit that sucks?

>>54241409
The technical answer is Rishkar's unless you're in Tokens, but the BEST answer is Rishkar's into a free Shamanic.

>>54241658
>>54241700
Thanks, i forgot to tell that my LGS is only selling some 2013 leftovers pre con and i'm only going to play casually

>>54241704
I think you have a lot of tap land.

>>54241704
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-02-17-the-queens-army/
It looks okay, but if you told me you just took the average deck on EDHrec I'd believe you.

>>54241704
holy shit that sucks

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>>54241477
>It primarily depends on whether your deck goes tall or wide

Angry Omnath?

>>54241704
Looks fine, even above average, for a first time/casual playgroup. You've got enough instant speed interaction and you're not flooded with 6+ mana cards. I'd cut Fireball and Banefire for more artifact ramp personally since those effects aren't very good outside of dedicated big-mana decks like Rosheen or Wort.

>>54241704
Seems a little unfocused and looks like you jammed every Mardu Goostuf card you could find.

I noticed a bit of an aristocrat theme and go-wide theme, but what are your primary creature generators? Mardu Ascendancy and Assemble the Legion? I think you'll need better than that for consistency.

>>54241793
Rishkar's, then. 5 power on any of your creatures is good enough for that card

>>54241798
True I wanted to have an aristocrat theme but I was counting on creatures like alesha, crypt champion, and other shit to return creatures to sac for effects. I was looking for other ways to go wide but thats where i ended up. What mardu deck isn't goodstuff tho? At least I dont have kaalia, tariel, and boros dudes shoved in.

>>54241771
I used a few different marchesa decks for reference and edhrec is pretty nice

>>54241763
Not a lot of lands on hand to use honestly

>>54241794
Neheb and other situations are why I chose the fireball, seize the day, and banefires, but I could cut that whole interaction.

>>54241704
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-02-17-the-queens-army/
OK, some metrics for new players.

You want 35 lands. Check.
You want at least 10 ramp effects at 3 mana or less with several at 2 mana or less. We're talking rocks, dorks, or ramp spells if you're in green for them, not rituals. You're a little short.
While some decks can be very different, you usually want an average CMC between 3 and 4. Check.
You want some decent spot options and some good wipes; versatile is better. You're a little light for being in Mardu but it's not bad.
Here's where you may be weak: you want an endgame. "Oops, I win" cards help, generally red decks will spend a slot on Insurrection, blue decks on Cyclonic rift, you get the idea. You want a better way to end the game than beating down 120 life to 0; this is less critical in newer metas where more people are likely attacking, and when you're hyper-resillent which with your suite of Gods is fairly plausable. But still, it's nice to be able to just mise into a secure position. You're Marduchessa, maybe consider Solitary Confinement? It combos with Monarch really well, and if you have other extra draws...

It's a really good start for someone who's a total newb to the format, and could probably play at your average casual table.

What do I need to replace in the Breya precon to make it more powerful? I know Breya is a combo machine so I'll probably want things like paradox engine, but then what do I cut?

>>54241939
Breya comes with partners, specifically Akiri/Bruse and Silas. Cut them.

>>54240447
It only costs your dignity

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Thoughts on fight enablers in Hapatra?

I'm torn between Setessan Tactics, Ulvenwald Tracker, or both.

>>54242047
Tracker and Somberwald Stag.

>>54241939
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-20-invent-superiority-upgrade

>>54242030
Damn, can't afford it.

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>>54242074
Why?

Seems like a strictly limited card.

>>54242087
Is this any good? I've had mixed results with their deck upgrades.

>>54242154
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-20-invent-superiority-upgrade
The $20 upgrade here is absolutely an upgrade to Breya. I'm not big on Kurkesh, but the tutors, recursion, Ashnod's, and Deathmantle are going to put work in.

>>54240936
>Post card with amazing art
>Reminds me there is no way to make him work well enough to justify running him instead of any other UB Legend

>>54242277
He's got a unique effect, and making sub-par cards work is more possible in EDH than anywhere else. There's more to EDH than always playing with the cards that are better in a vacuum. You should give him a shot.

>>54242208
What's wrong with Kurkesh?

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So scarab god seems amazing as a kind of graveyard punishment commander. Plus that returns to your hand clause sounds great as well.
What do you guys think? What about the other gods?

>>54242404
You can do better for a 4 drop.

>>54242468
I suppose that's a good enough reason.

>>54242423
All three of the new gods are super powerful in their own ways, and they seem really fun. I'd rank them Locust > Scarab > Scorpion personally.
>that returns to your hand clause
Honestly the strongest part of these cards for commander. The easiest way to stop a deck that relies heavily on it's commander, assuming the card costs 5+ mana or something, is just to kill it enough times + attack their mana if possible, that they can't recast it. Doesn't work with these fuckers.

>>54242423
Scarab God might be the new king of the dung heap that is Dimir commanders. I'm building him control and I'm pretty hype for getting him to the table

Scorpion God isn't terrible for a Rakdos commander but Hapatra is a more interesting choice for -1/-1 Counter Tribal. He's kind of legit.

Locust god is WEIRD. At first I thought he was just a 99 include in Arjun (who's fun, but not super strong) but the more I've brewed and theorycrafted the more I've come to appreciate the EPIC GOOFYNESS he represents and just how many cards he goes absolutely nuts with, so I've come around to the thought of stuffing Arjun in Locust God's 99 instead.

>>54242613
>Locust god
It's disgustingly easy to draw your entire deck and just go off with him.
>Ashnods Altar
>Phyrexian Altar
>Mana Echoes
>Skullclamp
>Artifact tutors/recursion
>Draw X spells
The deck builds itself

>>54242423
I know Exquisite Blood works with Scarab, but does Whip of Erebos or slapping him with Vamipiric Link give his 1st ability lifelink access as well?

>>54242613
What do you mean about locust? I was wanting to open him in prerelease and maybe get that u/r precon or something.

>laugh at mono red players all the time
>Purphoros deck beats me 5 games in a row with different infinite combos
Lesson learned.

>>54242754
Does it say anything about damage?

Is there any reason not to put counter spells in a deck that can use blue?

>>54242937
No, a counterspell is the best answer short of Split second.

>>54242915
Purph and daretti are pretty good for mono red. Krenko is fast too, but more fragile.

>>54242937
If it is a cascading deck like Yidris or Maelstrom Wanderer then it's a dumb idea unless it's a modal counter like Cryptic Command or the commander one that costs 5.

Calling counterspells the best thing ever is ignorant though, you can't counter everything and you need the counter in hand and mana available before they play the spell.

>>54243100
It was Krenko+Thornbite Staff, which was pretty simple, Kiki+Conscripts which was funny, Dualcaster+Twinflame which was interesting with its stack interaction, Mana Echoes+Goblin Warren which was interesting since I'd never seen Mana Echoes before, and then Lightning Crafter+Kiki which was one of the coolest I've ever seen.

>>54242937
Counterspells are conditionally effective. The idea is that you trade the card and the available mana in order to cancel out what someone else plays, so there are two major downfalls: when something is already on the field, or countering the wrong thing.

They're very good, don't get me wrong, but what you're using them for is important. The traditional "noob trap" is countering things at face value on an arbitrary basis, because they only remove a single target spell. As an opponent plays something "scary" they react to it, whereas a seasoned player may let something manageable through, and save the counter for a combo piece. If you simply want to blow things up, there are usually more effective options after the cast, because it lets you evaluate the board in context. Now, if you want to stop a particular strategy, they're fantastic assuming you have quality draw, but they also take slots from other strategies. It's very difficult to make a unique deck when you include 10 counters, 10 pieces of ramp/rocks and 10 things for card draw, so sometimes you need to intentionally skip counters so that you can run something that synergizes better with your strategy.

For example, my Brago deck runs tons of counters, because I also have removal available and am generally a dick. My Lazav deck only runs one or two because it has a discard/wheel subtheme, and I'm more worried about threats that actually stick on the battlefield.

>>54240548
>Can you post the agustin iv decklist?
A bit late because I was at work but:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gaaivs-walker-taxes-ranger/

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>>54238777
>playing to win

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Building a semi-competitive version of Depala. As in, I want to try as hard as possible to defeat the evil known as blue, but our meta is usually played on a budget, so no expensive fast mana like Mana Vault.


http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-wheels/


You would think that thinking of new ways to bring out potential in what most people regard as shit would be really exciting and cool, yet every time I show people the deck, they get turned off really hard by the land destruction. What other ways of Slowing the game down do I have in these colors?

>>54243596
Uba Mask and Omen Machine

>>54243596
>so no expensive fast mana like Mana Vault.
>land tax
>rings of brighthearth
>sword of fire and ice
>ulamog
>blood moon
>wheel of fortune
>chandra
...mana vault is like 15 dollars tho

regardless i really like your deck. never thought about running this lady. i might build this myself eventually. always loved dwarfs. i really hope they bring dwarfs back in dominaria.

>>54243596
>>54243596
>What other ways of Slowing the game down do I have in these colors?
>thalia
>eidolon of rhetoric
>leonin arbiter
>spirit of the labyrinth

>>54243596
Rule of Law and hate bears with similar abilities. You can use the hate bears to crew vehicles.

>>54243596
Rule of Law.

>>54243596
Land destruction is cool

will i get hate for playing riku?

What are the must-have goodies from HOU for EDH? Certainly for a set so bad for 60-card formats, there must be hidden gems for EDH.

All I can think of:
>Locust God
>Scorpion God
>Scarab God
>Ramunap Excavator
>Razaketh, the Foulblooded
>Uncage the Menagerie
>Neheb, the Eternal

Certainly I must be missing something

>>54243797
Eh, Riku is Degenerate_Combo.dek, but you need to wait a bit to come online. You'll eat an StP, durdle two turns, then win.
>>54243842
Solemnity. It's a good hate card depending on your meta.

>>54243842
Hour of Promise and Hour of Devastation are both legitimately good cards. Promise isn't so good if your power level is too high but Devastation is a premier board wipe

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any deck where this card could fit well?

>jin-gitaxias
besides that

>>54243894
>>54243842
also Hour of Revelation is powerful in commander specifically but triple W is a real thing.

>>54243897
I thought Nekusar was the obvious answer. Why is it Jin Gitaxias?

>>54243897
It's a game ender in Nekusar.

>>54243670
Holy shit these are amazing.

>>54243677
Sorry I was a bit misleading. What I meant was, our playgroup does not allow fast mana because it gives you too much of an advantage for something not everyone can afford. I am still playing on a budget, but I could still afford them. While Land Tax and other cards may still be very good and expensive, they do not give you as big of an advantage as something like mana vault can give you.

Glad you appreciate the deck!

>>54243720
Spirit of the Labyrinth and Leonin Arbiter, Spirit of the Labyrinth even more so because Scroll Rack + Depala Shenanigans get under the draw clause, and I can actually drop hands if I use a wheel.
Not sure if I like taxes though since the deck does play a lot of noncreature spells on its turn.

>>54243743
>>54243747
Rule of Law effects are somewhat strange because this deck does not have the same big presence cards it will drop every turn like I see in reanimator, nor does it play on other players turns like our Rashmi player does.
On the plus side, hate bears are pretty good here for crewing, though the deck only plays 3 vehicles. If I can think of some good equipments to run for this sort of deck though, hate bears would be fantastic. I was personally thinking sunforger since it searches Shattering Pulse as a combo piece.

>>54243750
Yes

>>54243916
Presumably because they don't get to keep the cards they drew when they pass the turn. Though I would assume their deck is full of grey ogres if they fail to eliminate Jin, especially after drawing one or two hands.

>>54244044
But I mean... you still gave them cards. As opposed to not giving them cards. I don't get it. I feel like Jin Gitaxias had to be a misremembering or something.

>>54243975
You could try finding space for Iroas. Attack and crew with impunity.

>>54244061
>you still gave them cards
The same would be true of Nekusar so I don't see your point. Personally I tend to avoid giving my opponents things. Even if it hurts them in the process.

>>54244061
>>54243897
This is terrible in Jin, are you retarded?

>I've got this card that definitely dies to removal.
>it's causing my opponents to have severe issues with cards: namely, they have 0 cards in hand
>What could I possibly do to fuck this up?
>Oh, I know, I could let my opponent turn any spell in their deck into a free draw 7. That way if they don't draw removal with the first draw of their turn, they can chain cards together until they do
>and then when they finally remove Jin, they now have half their deck in their hand.
>hahaha, I love not winning.

>>54244104
But I could understand the logic in Nekusar because it makes them smack themselves for 7 at least. I would never play it because 7 cards is way too fucking much to give them and also the enchantment itself costs a million mana just for the right to give my opponents fresh hands every turn, but there's no flow line of logic I can see for Jin Gitaxias. Like maybe if you were trying to mill them or something with wheels the hard way...? I don't think that's really what people do with Gitaxias

>>54244152
I dunno man. Who can understand the mind of a scrub?

>>54244104
Nekusar with Infect. That full hand won't be doing much good with ten counters, as opposed to Jin with zero way to punish them for it. Or just toss down a Psychosis Crawler and win yourself.

>>54244169
Somebody tweet sheldon and ask him.

>>54244180
You know I never realized Nekusar dealt damage rather than making people lose life. Fuck that's cool.

>>54244184
got em

>>54244180
>Nekusar with Infect
2 cute 4 me

>>54244196
You can kill planeswalkers with him.

>>54237347
There is also Doomsday and ways to remove your deck for Laboratory Maniac. It also uses Second Sun and all of those eggs to draw many cards after investing mana.

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>>54233866
Went to a pre release turnament with a pal.
I got 2× pic related wich is a pretty shit Walker if you ask.
But the new edition has some realy nice hate spells.

My promo card is some 20cent pleb but the artwork is realy nice and he actually fits in my new commander

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>>54234005

My decks are
>Atraxa counters: lots and lots of +1/+1 and charge counters, minimal infect so i'm not the main target all the time, although if I get ignored I'm definitely going to have a surprise 20+ power creature.

>Rakdos, Lord of riots: Big daddy Rakdos is coming in for a piledriver, and he brought a few of his friends.

>>54239387
Do you have any advice to give for jarad? My setup plays like ass. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rough-draft-of-jarad/

Im gunna play solemnity combos. Have I gone too far?

>>54244730

are you me

>>54245465
do you have any cool uses for it that haven't been discussed ad nauseam?

>>54245585
no, im going to persist etb creatures, play marit lage with warstorm surge and annointed procession for value.

>>54241793
I've got both in my angry omnath deck. They both perform excellently, I would recommend finding a slot for both.

>>54241793
The last game I played omnath I had 634 power on the board from a blasphemous act and vigor combo. Omnath is great

>>54243897
seems like a fun but risky wincon for casual
stealyourshit.dec
Force em to draw loads, steal the best cards and let em die after about 10 spells

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>>54245277
Exoskeletal armor

Lord of extinction

Golgari grave troll/other dredge shit

Meren

>>54245277
>>54245863
Oh also, you've got black, you've got some of the best unconditional creature removal at your disposal. and green has 1/2 mana solutions to artifacts and enchantments.

>>54245674
good

>>54243897
Obviously you play this in Tasigur group hug. Then you slowly pick people off one by one by playing Cruel Entertainment, taking their turn, adding back Cruel Entertainment by forcing your opponent to let you put it back, and decking them out.

>>54243842
Solemnity's got a reeeaal cheeky combo with Murderous Redcap and a sac outlet.

>>54243975
Make sure you throw Archetype of Endurance in there alongside some deathtouch equipment like Basilisk's Collar and Gorgon's Head so you can lock down the block step. Your opponents need indestructible/double strike to even have a hope of getting through your bears.

>>54246193
I do play Jaya Ballard and Grim Lavamancer already, so deathtouch equipments could work.

at that point I could also include Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and Dwarven Vigilantes.

>>54244730
Throw ring of three wishes into Atraxa, very nice addition.

>>54245863
Oh thay armor is good. Thanks for the tips.

>>54246260
Ring is a shitty card though, even with proliferate. The dumb wish counter gimmick isn't enough and hell, I'd rather run the Djinn of Wishes.
Atraxa is in colours that can utilise the best tutors anyway.

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>>54234005
would you play with me /tg/??

>>54246756
Cute decks but you seem like a contrarian snob

>>54241323
Thromok is fun. Build up your Little pagan cult of worshipers and sac them all to the king and die laughing as you fling in response to whatever removal they have because they wont counter it.
Means you wouldn't sack your whole board that way.

>>54246880
I just looked that up and I agree completely

>>54244300
Infinite Combos.

>>54246756
Looks fun

>>54246756
POST SKELETON SHIP DECKLIST

>>54244300
What part of """"""'infinite combo'"""""" do you not understand?
Lab man shit's good and all, but this is about infinites and combos, Doomsdsy is neither.

Anyone have a Trostani deck? I've been thinking of making one for my first EDH, is it much fun? I like going full force with huge monsters with a bunch of enchantments and artifacts, would that work?

>>54247180
Trostani can work for that, but I recommend Karametra too. Easy ramp for huge creatures.

>>54247199
Wouldn't Trostani be better overall thanks to the lifegain and possible copying of huge tokens for relatively little? I was thinking of using Phyrexian Processor, so Trostani seems better overall, but I'll be sure to keep Karametra in as well.

>>54247115
You are also missing worldgorger. And saying doomsday is not a combo is wrong. You play doomsday and some effect that let's you draw a card together, then if you built your piles right you win the game.

>>54247223
It depends how you want to build them I guess, Trostani gets more value out of huge tokens, Karametra gets Landfall triggers easily. You can easily get both and just put one of them in the 99 though.

>>54243842
>Crested Sunmare
>Mirage Mirror
>Bolas
>Pride Sovereign

Lads I need help
Ever since I started uni I've been neglecting my health; never going outside, eating less, and now I've stopped playing Magic cos I have to get a 30 minute bus ride. What can I do to stop being a pussy and start going to commander sessions again? I miss having 15 minute trigger resolutions with my General Tazri deck.

>>54247344
Get people at uni who play to play with you, so you can do it between classes or something.

>>54247386
Yeah I'll probably just have to make an effort to find other students who play
I never talk to anyone in my class; I study ComSci so everyone is a fucking autist

>>54247424
That's perfect. Lots of autists play MtG, so you have a good chance of finding some players.

>>54247435
Yeah but I don't want to talk to them broseph

>>54247455
Now who's being autistic?

>>54247470
Not me, because I don't like talking to autistic people. Everyone in my class is an xD gamer PC MASTER RACE redditfag, I hate it.

>>54247279
That's like saying that Wheel of Fortune is a combo because it gives you a whole new hand

>>54247608
If you stack your deck with something like Congregation at Dawn, yes.

>>54247640
I was thinking something more like Insidious Dreams, but yeah. It's still not a combo, it's just synergy. Two cards that interact together doesn't necessarily translate as a combo, since you also need fries with your burger and drink.

>>54247667
But with Doomsday you get those and a drink too. What's the definition of a combo? I'd say it's something that improves your board state through multiple synergies. A Doomsday pile that wins you the game does that.

>>54247697
Not him, but a lot of people use Combo to refer primarily to infinities or very large interactions. None of which Doomsday is involved in even if it is the Ultimate Tutor.

In my opinion, Doomsday is a great card for combo decks, but isn't part of any combo because the combo parts are the necessary ones -- in a vacuum, what actually interacts to 'go off' -- not doomsday, unless you're doing something Crazy with Mirror of Fate, but the cards in your Doomsday Pile.

>>54247697
But Doomsday doesn't even interact with anything. It just allows you to maximise your chances on winning, if you know what you're doing. It enables easy access to combos and has strong synergy with a lab man but isn't a combo itself.
I feel like that a combo is a interaction in between one or more cards that can be repeated multiple times, in a sense that the other card allows multiple activations, such as with Rings of Brighthearth/Power Artifact and Basalt Monolith or Kiki-Jiki and anything that allows him to be untapped on ETB or tapping, or a non-infinite one, because it requires mana for example, like the Module trio from Kaladesh. For non-permanent ones there's Reiterate and Turnabout for example

tl;dr, combo requires a repeatable interaction with several cards.

Do you buy singles online? If so, where?

>>54247915
I use cardhoarder but I've only spent like 20 tix total for several edh decks. I'd look up prices if you were to buy money cards.

>>54247915
tcgplayer pretty much. got a couple from MiniaturesMarket or TrollAndToad, the latter several years ago now, but TCG has the advantage of being a marketplace so you can usually get a good deal there.

>>54237397
Kys pls

Thoughts on running Saskia hatebears?
I haven't built a single fair deck so far, and the two options I'm thinking of are either Saskia hatebears and value or kamigawa mono b spirits and discard.
Anyone got a Saskia or otherwise GWx(x) hate bear list they can share?
>>54247915
Magiccardmarket dot eu if in yurop.

>>54247915
>>54247956
Oops. Somehow read that as relating to MTGO. For paper cards I use a local place and magiccardmarket. (europoor)

>>54247344
You can try to bike instead of riding the bus, that's sunlight and exercise

>>54248005
Problem is that red doesn't give that many bears. You've got Eidolon of the Great Revel, which isn't good when everyone has 40 life, and Magus of the Moon, which isn't good when you're in four colors and are gonna get shafted by it. It's theoretically possible, but I think you'll have much more success with Anafenza.

>>54248134
Curious, but why Anafenza Hatebears over Teeg hatebears?

>>54247915
yup, at TCGplayer. they are just the best place to buy cards bar none

>>54248147
Two reasons. I play in a creature heavy meta, which means Anafenza's good and Teeg isn't, and 3 colors gives access to more things, including Athreos which makes each bear your opponents want to get rid of into a political game.

>>54248134
Budget isn't an issue so manabase would be fine. There was a reason for 4c although I don't have access to my WiP list right now, probably vandalblast and the likes, as well as harsh mentor and blue hate.

>>54247875
Doomsday is a combo just as much as storm is. Combo does not automatically mean "infinite combo" and if you can reach a high enough storm to make Tendrils of Agony deal enough damage to kill then people have been calling that a combo for well over a decade. Doomsday is a combo card.

>>54248217
It doesn't matter how expensive your manabase is, when a Blood Moon/Magus comes down the more colors you run the worse off you'll be, unless you're running a specific strategy like Hermit Druid.

>>54247875
"Wins the game" is a much more common definition for combo than assuming all combos are infinite. Niv Mizzet + Curiosity is a combo because it can usually instantly win the game. It is limited by the number of cards in your deck though and only deals damage for each card in your deck. That typically is good enough to win the game.

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>Guys you won't mind if I play one un-card in my deck, right?

>>54238777
Bit of a delay asking this, but don't you lose if you cast Phage from the command zone?

>>54248367
Absolutely not. You're going to play that shit with smokestack and it's going to make everyone miserable.

>>54247915
I buy singles all the time.

I need to stop I have a problem.

>>54248546
>>54248546
>>54248546

>>54248469
You need Torpor Orb or Sundial of the Infinite.

>>54248469
You use Command Beacon to get Phage in your hand, or Platinum Angel, or house rule.

>>54248327
Not trying to sound rude but
>implying I don't know this
I'm already gonna run MLD and I am willing to accept a loss to contamination/blood moon/b2basics and so.
My meta doesn't run non basic land hate anyway, and most people have shitty mana bases with lots of basics. I'll be running contamination anyway, and ill put in a crop rotation to get a forest should I not fetch one out early.

>>54248057
That's a long ass bike ride (I'm ultra skelly mode), but I'll look into it