Warhammer 40k General

first for GW authors are fucking retarded and write stupid primarchs

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Second for the Fourth Legion

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>>54215723

post yfw you begin to realize that when GW said they would focus on Imperium vs Chaos what they really meant was Space Marines vs Chaos Marines

>>54215727
>>54215803
Go to fucking /hhg/ then shit up that dead thread

Starcraft: 40k would've been so much better if the story of the God-Emperor and his primarchs was inspired either directly or not on the Arthurian myth.

>>54215822

>40k is the only GW property that doesn't have a dead general

Why is this?

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>>54215813
its always been SM vs CSM...only occasionally have NPC races had moments in the sun..GWs knows where their money base lies

>>54215822
but primarchs are coming back man and rowboat girlyman isnt written like a giant mary sue in the latest book which is a nice change he makes mistakes and actually is really fucking angry at how GRIMDARK the Imperium is

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Oh cool! Black Templars are back to not following codex numbers.

What happened with that exactly? it keeps seeming to switch, can GW not make up their minds?

>>54215879
>Local Primarch is the angriest man that's ever lived

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>>54215884
Matt Faggoty Ward felt the need to bring them in line with Ultramarines because how dare they be interesting. Then the new blood come in and realize not everything have to be Ultarmarines lite. Fuck Ward.

>>54215879
>and actually is really fucking angry at how GRIMDARK the Imperium is
So he will turn it into social utopia.

Tips for painting a Black Templar Black Tide?

>>54215879
Anyone still have that excerpt from when he realizes the Emperor never loved him?

>>54215884
>Refusing to adhear to the limit of 1000 active SM

Im 101% certain that either fleet based or crusade based chapters are exempt from the 1000 men limit so that if something fucks up and a fleet/entire crusade is lost in the warp it doesn't destroy the chapter in 1 go.

>>54215928
Use lots of blue and gold.

>>54215929
1/2
Guilliman shrugged. Combat over, he was weary. The emptiness inside him seemed deeper for his
encounter with the daemon. His hearts laboured, and his scar itched. ‘He remains potent, even now.’
‘I can feel His love for humanity,’ said Mathieu. ‘I can feel it all around me!’ He hesitated in his rapture.
‘Tell me, oh lord regent, truthfully – does the Emperor love us, my lord? Do not say I am wrong!’
The Emperor loves no one man, thought Guilliman. He cannot afford affection – that is the honest
practical for the impossible task that faces the Master of Mankind. He did not love His sons, He does
not love men, but He does love mankind. I find it hard to forgive Him. Did His solution have to be built
on lies? Lies upon lies?
Mathieu’s question pushed Guilliman deeper into melancholy. More than anything, he yearned to speak
with his foster father Konor one more time. He had been a noble soul, one who could be trusted. A true
father.

>>54215976
Does Papa Boat ever wish for his mom?

>>54215976
2/2
Had you not died before the Emperor arrived in Ultramar, would I have abandoned you as quickly as
my brothers abandoned their adoptive families? he asked himself.
He knew the answer to that, and it shamed him. No one is immune to the effects of such power, he told
himself, but that did not make the truth any more palatable.
He understood. He knew what his father wanted to achieve, and why. Facing things like Qaramar brought
it home to him time and again. Knowing what opposed mankind made him see the utility of lies. Could
Guilliman honestly say he loved all the men who called himself his sons? He barely knew them,
especially now – Cawl’s blasphemous hordes in particular. They, too, were a means to an end. He and his
‘father’ had that in common. The mantle of rulership was weighty, and moulded the man that bore it.
I never wanted to be a tyrant, thought the primarch. Perhaps my father did not wish to be so either.
History has roles for us that cannot be denied. We are but pieces on the board of eternity.
‘My lord,’ said Mathieu into the primarch’s silence. ‘Please tell me, does the Emperor love us?’
We are so much more like you than you ever intended, thought Guilliman. You gave too much of
yourself to us. Without realising, in your arrogance, you made yourself a father in truth. We are your
sons, in every way. Did you see that?
‘My lord?’ said Mathieu
‘The Emperor loves us all,’ lied Roboute Guilliman. He looked over the broken statue and the few
remains of the clock. ‘Now leave me be, Mathieu. I must consult with the tribune and the tetrarch.’

Im pretty sure this isnt the extract youre refering to. It was just easier to find with crtl+f. Ill try to look for the other one

>>54215976
>>54215988
Daddy issues.
Fucking lame

>>54215988
found it
There was the wizened corpse surrounded by banks of groaning
machinery, His sword upon His knee. Sorrow suffused everything. The sacrifice required to keep the
Emperor alive sickened the primarch. If He were alive. He appeared dead. Guilliman had expected
nothing.
But He spoke.
With words of light and fire, the Emperor had conferred with His returned primarch, the last of His finest
creations.
A creation. Not a son.
The living Emperor had been an artful being, as skilled at hiding His thoughts as He was at reading those
of others. What remained of Him was powerful beyond comprehension, but it lacked the subtlety He had
had whilst He walked among men. Speaking with the Emperor had been like conversing with a star. The
Emperor’s words burned him.
What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid.
The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a
favourite tool that he thought lost. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp.
Guilliman had no illusions. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp.
While the Emperor had walked abroad, He had cloaked His manipulations in love. He had let His
primarchs call Him father; He had let them call themselves His sons. He had rarely spoken those words
Himself, Guilliman now realised, and when He had He had done so without sincerity. Buffeted by the full
might of the Emperor’s will unclothed in flesh, a cloak had been ripped from Guilliman’s eyes.
The Emperor had allowed them to love Him, and to believe He loved them in return. He had not. His
primarchs were weapons, that was all. The Emperor did not love His sons. They were things. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a
means to an end.

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>>54215976
>>54215988
Is this from an official GW Novel?

>>54216021
Sadly 200% of primarch writing is daddy issues these days.

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>>54216026
>you pass butter

>>54216026
Its retarded that GirlyMan has a problem with this honestly, since thats how he treats all the Ultramarines.

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>>54216049
yep
>.pdf related

>>54216064
He literally acknowledges that here >>54215988

Shame my Horus Heresy book is going to be largely retconned, i loved the artwork.

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>>54215900
Says the guy who clearly didn't read the novel.

>>54216119
>my Horus Heresy book

What did he mean by this?

I just read Dark Imperium and the new Jain Zar book.

Gotta say the Jain Zar book was pretty decent read, never an eldar fan but now im looking forward to the next one.

Dark Imperium i can see they want to retell the story of the Emperor and the Primarchs, on the one hand it kind of sucks that its gonna cause a fuckload of retcon rage, but on the other hand the existing lore was pretty retarded for alot of the primarchs.

In retrospect it was a pretty big advantage that the Phoenix Lords are mostly blank slates for Gav to write something about.

>>54216127
Probably that the majority of awesome artwork from Visions of Heresy will no longer be relevant because of the retconns BL has planned.

Friendly reminder to encourage thread diversity by ignoring all Guardfag posting

What weapons should I use on 2 5-man paladin squad?

Also I'm going to get the 10 strike team box, to divide them in 2 5-man squads, should i make them purifiers, interceptors or purgation?

>>54216165
... Ah. I see. You're one of those rabid fanboys who let's corporations tell them what their fandom is and is not. None of the art is going away. The GW gestapo will not be coming around to seize your copy of Visions of Heresy.

'Sides the imperium is built on lies and mistakes. The Emperor Still loves you.

>>54216155
did you get the feeling that in Dark Imperium they were avoiding making any 100% concrete details about events to prevent future retcons. it seemed the author was intentionally vauge when refering to the rest of the Imperium and that he also sets it up for the following 1000 years to still be called 40k with the whole 'conflict' within the ordo chronos about the imperial dating system being up to 1000 years wrong

>>54216224
Yeh alot of the descriptions are in broad strokes so its somewhat flexible.

The bigger problem is usually a lack of communication between GW Codex Writers and the novelists.

Even Gav wrote some stuff in his PL books that got contradicted by the Eldar codexes, which is amusing since he is closer to GW then most novelists.

>8th edition
>Cool
>Grab the rulebook
>About to grab the indexes
>didnt have enuff cash
>Find out later actual codexes are coming out

Fucking hell dodged a bullet there.

>>54216202
Daemonhammers, GK anti vehicle options suck anyway.

>>54215931
Nope.
And that makes warp lost chapters that much cooler.

>>54216224
I found the whole Ordo Chronos thing fucking hilarious. The dude calling for his enemies to be publicly burnt to death and Guillimans reaction to it got a chuckle out of me

>>54216264
>Even Gav wrote some stuff in his PL books that got contradicted by the Eldar codexes,
Because Thorpe always ignores other authors.

>>54216294
>Buying the books

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>bred for war
>trained from birth to fight
>utterly devoted to the empire
>armed with great armor, equipped with the best guns
>ws 5+, bs 4+
For shame.

>>54216120
Except I've read it, primaris marines are lawful good as fuck
There is literally no salvation from Wardism

>>54216294
You'll still need the indexes, some of that shit won't be in the codexes.

>>54216326
>Bs 4+ baseline infantry
Fine
>Elite Mech suit specialists bs 4+ aswell
What?

Is the Dark Imperium novel good? i notice its written by Guy Hayley who did Valedor, which is probably the only half-decent eldar book ive read tho i haven't read the Jain Zar one yet.

>>54216061
That's why none writting about Lion and Khan?

>>54215879
>yfw rowboat realizes the Tau Empire is everything the Emperor and himself hoped for, and joins it

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/40k-first-strike-2017-ENG

So how 'bout that $33 starter set with Reivers?

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>>54216364
Yeah certainly worth a read. A PDF was posted 20 posts up.

>>54216356
Too op.

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>>54215723
dat bullpup combi-plasma doe

>>54216402
Literally why commander spam is a thing.

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>>54216343
t. GW

Not falling for that shit son

>>54216438
But do you want a 3+ riptide/ghostkeel/stealthsuit/crisis/stormsurge?
Besides, marker lights exist.

>>54216472
No I'm saying that the higher bs on commanders is why it's getting spammed.
We don't want that on every suit team.

>>54216438
Commander spam, Leman Russ Commander spam, Flamer Spam, Scion spam, Orks take minimum shooting options on every unit. Pretty much every army that has to deal with ws4+ tries as hard as possible to game around it.

>>54216495
40k players love their canned processed meat.

>>54216375
i can easily see him making a non aggression treaty with the Tau and/or eldar while he tries to unfuck the mess the great rift caused and push back chaos

>>54216472
Suits wouldn't be overpowered at b3. If you dig around the Tau math they aren't costed more efficiently than marine shit to compensate for it. If anything marketlights are just an additional tax they have to pay for no real good reason.

>>54216493
But then we might see suit variety instead of just 6 xv8s with 4 fusion blasters.

So, if FW wanted the Leman Russ Conqueror to cost 135 with its cannon, why didn't they just make the Conqueror cannon 3 pts? Why reduce the point cost on the Russ Part, which is literally exactly the same as the regular Leman Russ but 22 points less for absolutely no reason?

>>54216495
>40k is pay to win
This is news because?

>>54216524
>3+ to hit, re-rolling 1's, ignoring cover, and not caring if they moved or fired heavy weapons or not
Seems like a good reason to take that silly little 80 point tax.

>>54215840
>new non marine stuff constantly run out of stock
>GW scrambles to meet demands
>constant panic about it

I mean marines sell, but the consumer wants something else beside marines.
Otherwise the game will end my local FoW nazi vs Nazi because everyone just keeps buying those things.

>bonus round trigger FoW with your pink American tanks. It is historically accurate, but they still get trigger about it.

>>54216523
I don't think that would work because the tau can't expand anywhere without taking imperial space.

But the Tau empire is truly the empire the Emperor wanted to create:

>Atheistic, doesn't believe in chaos
>rational pursuit of science
>promotes the common man

>>54216294
>Find out later
We've known this from the get-go. It was in the original announcements. It talks about them in the core rulebook. It wasn't exactly a secret that codexes were coming.

>>54216586
>your pink American tanks
Weren't they british?

>>54216326
>>54216356
Biological limitations giving -1 BS leading to the invention of markerlights.

Whats the hull angle on a chimera vs a rhino like? How hard would it be to convert a Chimera hull gun onto a Rhino?

>>54216600
Both did it. Americans did a few.

>>54216637
>Americans did a few.
Durring Tunisia operation? I've only read about oink british tanks in Egypt for stealth morning marches through the desert

Which list looks better at 1k?

Boots and Gorka 997/1k

HQ
weirdboy 62
weirdboy 62

Troop
Boys x30 PK 205
Boys x30 PK 205
Boys x15 BC 99

Heavy
Gorka 364

Second list more bodies 998/1k

HQ
zagstruck 88
weirdboy 62

Troops
Boys x30 PK 205
Boys x30 PK 205
Boys x30 PK 205

Elites
Kommandos 2x burna 45
Kommandos 2x burna 45
Kommandos 2x burna 45

Fast
Stormboys x5 BC 49
Stormboys x5 BC 49

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>>54216627

>>54216568
In vacuum yeah its just a matter of hurr MLs fagget. Then you look in detail at stuff like rail Hammerhead or Broadsides with 5 lights vs Mortis Contemptor dreadnoughts or Onagers and its just not impressive.

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>>54216326
There's one Taufag at my LGS who gets weirdly assmad whenever someone brings up Tau needing tech to make up for the fact that they're sub-par warriors.

Like, that's the entire theme of their army. And he gets really pissed about it for some reason.

>>54216656
Fairly easily then, good.

>>54216705
That's a shame. The overcoming of one's limitations through understanding and technology is fairly badass.

>>54216309
>>54216224
The Ordo Chronos part was intended to let them use characters that otherwise could not interact. For instance Gilly could not meet both Yarrik and Cain with a soild timeline but this allows it.

>>54216528
I think setting a two weapon limit on commanders would fix that.

>>54216705
Sounds like a weeb who wants the Anime faction to have the whole shonen "Underdog who's more skilled than anyone" thing.

>>54216586
>pink American tanks
what???

>>54216803

Tau do have that though, they've been kicking the ass of everyone they come across.

>>54216568
If you have an undamaged sky-ray with LoS it can dump 6 mortal wound missiles hitting on 2+ rerolling ones at once.

>>54216705

Tauwank is a serious disease

>>54216818
With no saves*

>>54216705
So he takes no marketlights / suits / anything maybe some Kroot (Though ugly monster men aren't weeb enough so probably not) and gets bodied in every game, right?

How does he play at all
>>54216803
This. or they win with the power of friendship

>>54216746
Right? One of the best parts of the Tau narrative.

>>54216818
>on an unmodified roll on 6
>2+

>>54216834
I like how they're a threat not because they take over worlds, even the most dense ork warboss can do that.
No, they want the hearts and minds of the people in that world.

>>54216817
Through a combination of technology, logistical superiority, and plot armor.

According to one writer the Tau fly so majestically that it makes necron pilots cry at the beauty of it.

>>54216833
No, ha takes TONS of suits, with ML. He just pretends that the Suits are killing people because of how skilled the pilots are.

>>54216857
>necrons
>cry
How are robots able to shed tears?

>>54216890
Not physically cry, but they did feel emotions. It was some of the worst writing I'd ever seen, on par with the assassin losing to Tau in CC.

>>54215976

>He does not love men

Emperor confirmed not a fag

Been toying around with a biker ork army. Viable in 8th, you think?

>>54216850
>on an unmodified roll on 6
>2+
Did you read the markerligh rules? He's taking about with marker light support

>>54216817

Honestly not really

They get decent exploits in their faction focused products (Codex, Tau Novels). But in general they aren't really that big of a factor for the metaplot as a whole.

Imperium are still the dominant faction in terms of product spotlight obviously with Marines being the dominant faction among the Imperium.

Chaos gets a decent amount of "we are the anti-hero" fluff in addition to being the Archenemy for the Imperium.

Nids/Necrons/Orks are all antagonist tier currently. Necron perspective novels are certainly possible but Nids and Orks generally won't get perspective fluff. Nids because Hivemind and Orks because writing dialogue as Ork is fun for like a paragraph but doing it for a full novel is painful.

So Tau and Eldar get the role of being Not Quite Heroes and Not Quite Villains. Eldar are obviously more important in terms of the overall and current metaplot as it's not like the Tau helped Cawl bring Rowboat back to live with secret Ethereal medicine.

With the timeline jump in Dark Millenium there actually is some ways forward with the Tau as you presumably could advance the borders of their empire some and bring them into conflict with more factions.

As a whole there doesn't seem to be a big demand for a massive increase in Tauwank though. Marine on Marine Bolterporn is still by far the biggest focus for GW.

>>54216857

Why do people accept Goto tier writing from Tau novels instead of condemning them like people condemn Goto's Eldar abominations.

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Finishing up my Xiphon and only now realizing how badly I want two more for a flyer detachment

>>54216988
>IF
>Using flyers

Vomiting right now.

>>54216988
When they were released I instantly ordered two, they just look so damn sexy. Specially compared to that retarded flying goldfish. Why can't GW make a plastic SM flyer that looks pretty for once ?

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>>54216956
>this weapon only hits on a roll of 6 regardless of the model's balistic skill or any modifiers

>>54217022
>Not using aerial support to cover your siege units

You are a shitty general

>>54216987
Because they're weebs. They're used to shonen bull shit writing from naruto and dbz and all the other stupidly written shows. Its normal for them.

>>54216513
The rules just suck, its not the players fault. If I put a Rokkit Launcha on my Deff Dread it will miss a Leman Russ 90% of the time.

>>54216912
To be fair, the Callidus had killed several people and fought Shadowsun in her suit surrounded by dozens of bodyguards and Shadowsun is the most plot armoured person in 40k. Like, insanely so. I could explain how powerful she is but it'll probably be too much for a single post.

The Vindicare raped loads of people (didn't he killed one of the 8?) but somehow got killed by Darkstrider.

The Eversor raped shit and then exploded.

The Culexus killed Space Pope.

>>54216955

I doubt Nob Bikerz will ever be top tier again but I think Nob Bikerz led by a Big Mek on Warbike is a decent unit.

Less certain about regular warbikerz as they are limited to just the Nob getting access to wargear but I guess they are a decent secondary unit.

In general though why play Orkz if you aren't going to run Mobz and Trukkz?

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>>54217030
Literally neck yourself

>>54217058
Bravestorm took the bullet, yes.
>it was samurai vs ninja all along

>>54217076
I think I'm going to go fap myself into a coma instead. That's delicious.

>>54217078
Makes me cry how bad Vindicare's are in crunch but how awesome they are in fluff. Really upsets me desu.

>>54217104
Anyone else feels Assassin are overpriced as balls for what the they do. Specially the vinidicare

I don't have access to the FW books and GW moved the Vendetta out of the codex..

Can someone tell me the point costs of a vendetta with three twinlascannons?

>>54217131
>what is the OP

>>54217045

Orkz are clearly supposed to be about either rolling buckets of dice with their inaccurate as shit dakka weapons or getting stuck in and cutting shit up with their Choppas/Power Klaws.

Trying to play Orkz like they are elites is contrary to the design goals of the army. Either go cheap on the Deff Dreds or use something like a Skorcha and ignore having shit BS.

>>54217127
The Vindicare is actually considered the worst of the four now as he's taken major hits to his utility. Eversor and Culexus battle for #1 based upon need while the Callidus sits cozily above the Vindicare

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I'm looking to build a Sisters/Inquisition army like the days of olde - Witch Hunters codex.

Haven't played since 5th, when the Carnifex was king.

The only auto-includes for me are Celestine and a unit of Seraphim.

Anyone have any suggestions?

>Pic related, though it's Chaos I'd love to make "driving cathedrals" out of my metal bawkses.

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>>54217127
Probably.
But they're cool as fuck though!

>>54217127
110 naked, 40 for each Lascannon. So 230.

>>54217131
230

>>54217159
Sorry, see >>54217131

>>54217127
Misquoted but yeah, Vindicare is a lascannon that ignores ++.

>>54215840
Started playing in 6th did you?

Chaos is interesting lore wise but they were never a big draw. Orks used to be the poster antagonists for a long time.

But yeah of course marines make the most money; few people have just ONE army. It's usually "yeah I play [army] but I also have [chapter] marines".

>>54217148
From what I've seen you don't roll buckets with ork shooting making melee the only option. A rokkit launcha only gets one shot when it should be like four.

>>54217104
>>54217127

All of the assassins have taken a major hit in terms of Herohammer type shenanigans.

Just like Tabletop Marines are garbage in comparison to Fluff Marines we are stuck with mediocre Assassins.

It's because GW wants you buying more models or more expensive models. Human scale models simply don't give them the profit per combat utility necessary to move minis.

>>54217127
I think that's partially because assassins are just not that ideal for battlefield conditions. Most of them are great for popping up near a exposed character/infantry unit, charging it and if not outright kill it at least severely maul it in a single turn. They'd then be able to finish off their target easily were it not that in a game of 40k there are always more units nearby to help take down the assassin.

With the vindicare it's more that if he really was as good as the fluff, it would be near impossible to balance him right when he can just one-shot every character you want with almost zero chance of the character surviving.

>>54215884
From what I recall it was only one novel that mentioned them as having 1000 marines, and then the shitty author who didn't do his research answered the hate mail saying "ummmm well that's cuz they run the number of marines they need to". Well what the fuck happens when they finish a campaign and there are 3000 marines alive? Do they vac them out in to space? GTFO.

And it wasn't even ward

>>54217153
Dominions are cool. Specially inside a Repressor.
They can be use with other things outside of meltas, but the rest of your army should have enough flamers and Storm Bolter to feel that role

Scion can work since they don't need the transport to get where needed

>>54215833

Because fantasy was taken out back and shot, AoS was DoA and blood bowl is a meme.

>>54217183
If that was the case, which has been regularly dismissed and debunked, then why was the Gorkanaut et al so fucking shit when released? Why are Primaris Marines shit? If they wanted you to buy new things why aren't the new rules good? Simple; because that's not how GW works.

>>54217210
>If the Vindicare doesn't move in the previous turn, do D3+1 Mortal Wounds to units with the Character keyword if hit

Done. He's now able to do his job without being too powerful. You need to roll well.

>>54217182

20+ Boyz rolling assault 2 is a lot of dice

10+ Flash Gitz rolling Heavy 3 is a lot of dice.

Orkz are supposed to use model count superiority to throw lots of firepower and absorb casualties long enough for the Boyz to get stuck in.

Trying to be a Marine Equivalent army with Orkz defeats the purpose although it reduces the cost

>>54216316
Hope you saved a whole $20 there buddy. Spend your riches well, you earned it from outsmarting the rest of us.

>>54217211
You're forgetting, using subjective mathematics 3000 isn't necessarily more than 1000.

>>54217225
AoS was dead because for 12 solid months there was non stop shitposting. Everybody moved.

>Have house
>Have party
>Set house on fire
>WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING? PARTY DOA!

>>54216988
Is it "X-wing fucked Viper Mk2"?
Also, Sm pilot looks kind of stupid

>>54217078
Bravestorm took the bullet, but still made his invul save so technically not killed.

The Broadside one, who was just a computer chip, got fried by the Eversor though.

>>54217239
Two of the local Ork players are almost constantly complaining about how bad Ork shooting is, comparing it to marines and tau etc. Everybody else wonders if they understand the whole idea behind Orks.

>>54217127
Eversor is cheap if you have him follow around with Ogryns/Terminators or whatever and use him as beatstick.

>>54217097
A Stormsurge can dump 4 destroyer missiles hitting on 2+ rerolling 1s that deal D3 mortal wounds each with no saves.

>>54217268
>Mfw
M8, I've been playing Orks since 4th. Flash Gitz are BS 4+, and that's about the best you're gonna get outside of Grots. My shooting is great when it works, not a problem when it doesn't, because Gazzy and 30+ Boyz just chop up everything in my way.

>>54216326
At the end of the day, they're still weak fishmen

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>>54217058
I thought it was the Eversor that killed one of the Eight before Farsight cut him in half with the dawnblade.

Then the Eversor's top half started crawling towards him, laughing maniacally before exploding and taking out the entire battledome. Because fucking Eversor clade.

>>54217240
>Rules are officially free
>Indexes were inevitably going to get replaced
Yeah no I feel pretty good.

>>54217307
>free
Where?

>>54217304

The Eversor killed the 8 member who is an AI with backups.

>>54217320
On the community website

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My first Plague Marine, also my first big model after I did poxwalkers. Quite happy with it.

>>54217327
S...still counts. Glorius victory for the Imperium!

>>54217338
looks good

>>54217338
Looks good mate, like the wet effect on the intestines.

>>54217127
Feels to me like, you need 2 vindicare to carry out the role of "delet this".
Cul is viable as an anti psycher nuke.
Eversor is a distractionary anti-horde nuke, but dont expect more than a handful of MEQ kills.
Callidus, not sure.
Both eversor and callidus suffer from not being able to target characters.
But they all make for good "lol fuk u" drops to cause distractions.

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I'm actually looking forward to 20-man Intercessor squads. Hope they get Stalker and Auto bolt rifle options as special weapons.

>>54217338
Wow, these look a damn lot less over-designed and a whole lot better when they're painted with muted colours rather than garish pink, purple guts and gold trims like GW did.

>>54217239
Flash Gitz are shit man, 3 shots each isn't a lot nor are they cheap. I understand the cheap+a lot of shots concept but my argument is that the units don't actually abide by it. You start really looking at orks and pretty much everything is sub par outside of Boyz.

Do the Farsight Enclaves have human soldiers?

Thinking of kitbashing a T'au army with really diverse infantry from various races, based on the Last Chancers novel where a T'au forward operating base is basically like the Mos Eisely cantina. Shame the Farsight Enclaves don't give +1 WS to Fire Warriors anymore.

Advertising a discord because why not. Mild autism, mainly warhammer. Advertising done.

>>54217414
Probably not as the mindcontrol is part of ethereals schtick and Farsight is very anti ethereal.
Just my take on it though.

>>54217405
I'm sort of fond of Nob Bikers with Kustom Shootas. 10 shots each. Fast and smashy.

>>54215879

Guilliman has never been a mary sue, that's why he's always been one of the best written primarchs

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>>54217425

>>54217405
This tbqh senpai. Flash Gits guns should be assualt, like every other gun in the armory. The only worthwhile shooting in Ork armies is either operated by a Grot, or Tank Bustas firing at vehicles.

>>54217307
Wicked! So long as you aren't being smug about it.

>>54215931
Well, yeah, that was the point. They use the exception for chapters on crusade to constantly maintain an over-manned force, under the guise of their "eternal crusade."

>>54217441
46 points for each one on that build, is that worth it??

>>54217458
>>54217405
I know you cant rely on it but the shooting a second time chance makes them pretty scary? Also agree need to be assault weapons

>>54217425
CEASE.

>>54217488
A rerollable 5+ is actually pretty hot, and remember, Bomb Squigs hit on 2's, and Hit as hard as a Krak missle. I run 8, with 2 Squigs inside of a Squiggoth howdah, the Howdah rule is fucking bananas.

>>54217393
For the guts I used Screamer Pink, washed it, pink horror highlight and a bit of Blood for the Blood God.

For Brass I used Balthazar Gold, washed it and highlighted with Retributor armour.

>>54217514
Oh im planning on getting another 2 full mobs of Tankbustas and Bomb squigs.

I will not be crushed under my buddies treads this edition

>>54217405
That's basically the problem with ork shooting. It's not meant to be great, but it's costed similarly to many other armies with better BS. Needs to be either generally cheaper or fire more shots.

>>54217425
FUCK OFF. And why is it always discord when people try to get an alternate site going? There's loads of other forums etc. around our hobby, but it's always discord people push. Is it just because they can set themselves up as a mod straight away?

>>54217488
I give them Big Choppas. So 55. And yes actually, tends to be effective. And then they get into melee and its 5 Str 7, AP1, 2 damage hits a piece. Tears through stuff. Pricey but fun.

>>54217338
Better in every way than Guardfags

I've made my own primaris chapter, wearing purple armour.

Which legion should they be successors of?

>>54217544
If you can swing it, try them in a Squiggoth. 18 T7 wounds is nothing to scoff at, it's no slouch in melee, and the Tankbustas can fire while it's in melee

>>54217475
Not really.

>>54217570
EC

I want Gravis armor stuff to get Boltstorm Gauntlets as a weapon option. Interceptors with that woud be amazing.

>>54217551
Same guy here. Just because it's convenient I think. Already gets used for a lot of chatting anyway so having a server be on the same platform as everything else is just easier. I am a mod there although not the guy who set it up or anything.

>>54217570
Hawk Lords

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>>54217253

>40kg home to some of the most vile, degenerate shitposting on /tg/
>thrives
>AoS wilts like a flower in the desert

AoS is just garbage. What do people have to talk about? Their favourite Storm Stormlightningcast character? lmao
Their favourite battle between the naked gay dwarves and the Khorneblood bloods? baka senpai
Maybe their favourite badly made map where nothing matters. kek

At least people feel something about 40k here, even if you have the occasional idiots trying to muck things up.

>>54217570
Raven Guard. The chapter have had bad experiences getting ambushed by ork kommandos, so they're giving purple a go as a sneaky colour.

>>54217578
Was planning on getting at least 2, for flavor more than anything, and a Gargantuan

>>54217127
That's cause the vindicare is crap, rules wise.

The eversor, on the other hand, is the most underpriced unit in the game.

>>54217304

What book is this? I must read it now

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>>54217570
>>54217587
Already got dibs!
Baby steps. The Eagle flies.

>>54216654

Why do I see so many people going MSU on stormboyz?

Is the intention just to use them as overwatch screens? Jumping them ahead of the bigger mobs to eat overwatch fire with a charge? Or just as roadblocks for units that you want to force to Fall Back to silence their shooting during an important turn?

Personally for how cheap they are they seem like they'd perform fine as a traditionally sized mob, their extra mobility allowing them to stay safe until the right moment to charge.

>>54217629
The flat mask, makes them look with Down syndrome.
Everyone pointing their guns down doesn't help either.

>>54217653

You can more easily "split fire" a charge with MSU. Don't play Orks, but I imagine the strategy is to rapidly engage as many elements of a gunline as orkishly possible, sparing you the fire whilst da boyz catch up to sweep the board.

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Anybody got the new white dwarf download? My local stores warehouse fucked up and never delivered it

>>54217629
That's a nice colour, is that what GW's genesteler purple looks like on actual models?

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>>54217599
Stay fucked fantacycuck, AoS is doing just fine.

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>>54217710
Enjoy your dead general, age of shitter

>>54217570
Make it into a rrefounding of the Soul Drinkers, this time actually being sons of Dorn.

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>>54217699
Army Painter Alien Purple Spray Primer, friends.
Don't fall for the "army painter is bad" meme.

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>I'm so fucking sneaky

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>>54217710
Here anon, you keep posting the sisters variant, go make your own

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>>54215723
Man I miss 90's GW.

>>54217738
Neat, thanks, will look into it.

>>54217738
How do you get yours to not come out grainy? I have red spray and it has recently been grainy.

I like the idea of a Primaris chapter which was formed to support some no name or crappy existing chapter which was destroyed after word of need for help, maybe due to the massive warp rift.

>>54217750
Humidity is a bitch.
Also clean your models before spraying them

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>>54217720
Enjoy your dead game groggy.

>>54217741
>ghostkeel outflanking guardsmen while commander is outflanked by a knight which is being outflanked by some stealthsuits which are being outflanked by another knight
I can't handle this much tactical genius.

>>54217741
>Psssh, nuthin personnel, gue'la

>>54217741

>Fireknife commander directly engaging conscripts

>>54217750
I have the same problem. AP spray just seems way more sensitive to humidity than GW's. Because of the weather where I live I've kinda just gone back to GW spray even though it's a lot more expensive.

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>>54217749
God speed. Hit it with some army painter soft tone for a more dull/weathered look

>>54217750
You need to shake the ever living shit out of it. Seriously, go fucking bananas. Then spray in side to side bursts also >>54217766

>>54217772
>game so bad that the best model from it, competed with a create.
Shame.

>>54217551
Yeah man, they instant argument would be you're orks you shouldn't expect to outshoot marines duh, but if Khorne berserkers melee better than anything in the ork roster then why shouldn't they get equal shooting.

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>>54217746
Are those 3 killa kanz in the right top corner fucking dancing?

>>54217827
>person so old he can't even write coherent sentences

>>54217844
Yes, the Kan-Can

>>54217844
Dey ar' grotz wat did u expect.

>>54217844
Killa kan-kan, of course. It says on the purity seal, it's a Where's Wally-esque list of silly stuff.

>>54217612
Armor.

>>54217844
>Can you spot... A Killa-Kan-Kan

>>54217653
I think one unit of boyz for the jump and every other unit of boyz replaced with stormboyz is the correct way to play them.

>>54217746
>rhino

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>>54217425
But why?

>>54217746
>that one assault sergeant riding an actual rhino

Jesus my sides

>>54217746
>Marine riding a literal rhino

top kek

>>54217589
And I want Rail/Ion rifles to move out of the prototype phase and be distributed to my fire warriors.

I also want crisis suit-size versions of the breacher/stormesurge pulse blast weapons.

But I also understand that my army isn't supposed to be broken and unbeatable, so eat shit marinefag.

>>54217914
I also want gue'vesa battlesuits and models.
Yeah I know I can just use them for other things, but this is just because they'd look cool.

>>54217746
A motherfucking Charlie Chaplain.

>>54217772
Is it meganob with Gorehowl?

>>54217975
Gue'vesa, under no circumstances get a battlesuit.

TIL: Games Workshop stores are going to change their names to 'Warhammer'

>>54216705
>they're sub-par warriors

Tau fire warrior even without Ethereals nearby are more determined and ironwilled than your average guardsmen. Also they have the same levels of strength and pain tolerance.

So how are they sub-par warriors. I mean for pete's sake, marines have great respect for the Fire Caste for their honour, discipline, and skill in war.

>>54218033
That's like, two year old news. The local store already did last year. The reasoning behind it is that most people say 'warhammer store' anyway.

>>54218027
yeah no
gue'vesa can have battlesuit if they prove their might on the battlefield

>>54218033
Already happened in my city here in the UK

>>54218052
>basic marketing research
>gw
I doubt this a lot. Specially after the Shadow War and Vyridian fiasco

>>54218033
Thanks slowpoke!

>>54218052
I just started for 8th edition and my local store is still called GW so was a bit surprised.

>>54218055
Nope, they can't. Source your claim.

>>54218027
In the Damocles Anthology, a Gue'vesa'O had a suit.

>>54218080
source yours first

>>54218072
They tried the change in the UK years ago, that change bound to come overseas eventually.

>>54218086
And assault marines were having aerial dogfights with Tau jetfighter planes.

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>>54218086
>in taufag fapfiction

>>54218118
>demand source
>get source
>call it fanfiction
wew

>>54218108
>>54218118
Written and editted by Phil Kelly aka one of the last remaining GW old guard. So you all eat a dick.

>>54217746
I wanna play 40k where's waldo

R8 my scheme. The orange is supposed to be bronze/copper, but I'm shit at using gimp.

>>54218135
>Tau lore past 4th
>not fanfiction
Pick one.

>>54218140
>Written and edited by the most biased rules writers GW has ever had

That's like a retired SS officer writing a history book that says that world war two wasn't that bad at all.

>>54218161
the same could be told about Spaces Marines but nobody seems to be shocked by that

>>54218151
The copper on black might look odd but it seems cool

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I said I wanted to paint some Imperial fists and experiment with glaze colours, just finished this guy I had sitting about. He's a bit messy, the highlights are a bit too thick and I tried weathering but its kinda all over the place.

I was thinking of giving it another go, see if I can be a bit neater and maybe try some other ways to paint Fists.

>>54218151
Sick. I think I would bring the dark color further down the legs, not super thrilled about that much light on them. But that's just my preference. I think it's a cool scheme

>>54218050
this is what Taufags actually believe

>>54218177
Let us be clear lore past 4th is fanfiction at best.

>>54218140
>Written and editted by Phil Kelly aka one of the last remaining GW old guard
Thorpe too, but he is hack also.

>>54218197
Good luck, anon. Yellow is a real bitch.

>>54218225
you are talking about SM or Tau ? maybe both ?
anyway i got bored of bolterporn with the HH books so i look forward more xenos books

>>54218140
Only if they make human/eldar hybrids canon again.
And I'll still only choke on a daemonette's dick.

>>54218050
Tau are inferior to humans.
This has been a thing since 3rd, that is why they have so much tech.

For fuck sake they are so reliant to it, that no one notice the Culexus Assassin riding inside their transport.

>>54218050
>Tau fire warrior even without Ethereals nearby are more determined and ironwilled than your average guardsmen.
>Ld:6

>>54218197
It could be just the lighting or maybe the highlights on that right pauldron, but the paint looks kind of thick. Also, aren't IF supposed to have a slightly lighter shade? Again, could just be the lighting.

>>54218254
Everything past 4th is fanfiction regardless of army or author.

Most of it is not even grim dark. It is just grim derp.

>>54218140
>Written and editted by Phil Kelly aka one of the last remaining GW old guard
Ah yes, phil kelly, who's fanboyisim singlehandedly ensured 7th had no chance of being balanced.
I sure do trust a guy as biased as phil kelly

>>54218151
make sure you do a test model before you just batch paint everything. These split colored helmet schemes frequently don't look as good on the actual model as they do in your head.

>>54218268
No, the WD that came with the 3rd ED dex says hat the Tau have the same strength levels as guardsmen. Also Tau sight is better than human at looking at things in distance but they suffer in depth perception.

>hat no one notice the Culexus Assassin riding inside their transport.

Culexus suits phases him from reality which makes it impossible for sensors to pick him up. That way a Culexus even sneaked upon a Craftworld. So a dick you must eat.

>>54218050
>Tau fire warrior even without Ethereals nearby are more determined and ironwilled than your average guardsmen. Also they have the same levels of strength and pain tolerance.
Which is why they have the exact same stats as a gaurdsman, except for worse WS.


They are objectively worse warriors, and only taufags would claim otherwise. That's the entire reason they use all their fancy technology, because they are naturally shittier.

>>54218340
Did you activily ignore Tau fluff or just retarded?

Tau are inferior to humans, a super trained fire warrior is a best a normal guardsmen.

Till the recent Tau fan fiction lore Tau air cast pilot had a hard time keeping up with Imperial pilots, let alone veterans

>>54218230
Thorpe hasn't worked for GW team for years.

>>54218050
Let's break this down, shall we?

>Fire warrior in constant battle simulations, bred for combat, using equipment with gyro-stabilizers and onboard targeting systems
>WS5+ BS4+

>Imperial Guardsman given 3 to 6 months of training and equipped with a mass produced laser rifle with an iron sight
>WS4+ BS4+


>Fire warrior bred for loyalty and given literal mind control drugs
>LD6

>Imperial Guard who's never once been deployed
>LD6

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>>54218289
i started with five ed so i can't tell
how were Tau before 4th ?

>>54218276
could be, might be cause the shoulder pad is embossed

>>54216061
>wahhhhhhhh too much depth

>>54218340
>Culexus suits phases him from reality which makes it impossible for sensors to pick him up.
No it doesn't. Etherium is just an advanced form of the Ageis

>>54218225

Yep, there's a pretty clear divide and I'd place it right about there as well.

It's when we started seeing far less in-perspective fluff pieces and a lot, lot more out of perspective, dull, timeline-ridden stuff that just sucked all the color out of a lot of the setting.

It seems like someone at GW thought one day, "People can't keep track of all this stuff unless it's in clear black and white, so from now on that's all we deal in." And we continued on like that for about a decade as more and more secondary people got involved in the hobby via other media who never saw anything different and thought that was what the setting was like: a linear, clear cut history of a far future, just like their Star Wars and Treks. And then those people noticed nothing was actually going anywhere (because the setting wasn't actually linear), so GW started writing linear stuff and eventually reached a point where the baby had to go out with the bathwater.

Now not to say I absolutely hate everything about 8e fluff, I'm just pointing out it is not 40k fluff anymore, it's a new beast, but it still feels too familiar where once it felt very unique.

>>54218181
>>54218199
>>54218321
Thanks, definitely going to do a test model first, but I think I've mostly found my final scheme. Might change the bronze to just a dark orange if it doesn't turn out well, and I'm going to try a few different ideas with the helmet. I might invert the colors (dark helmet with grey faceplate) or just make it all grey if it split colors don't work.

>>54218368
>Tau are inferior to humans, a super trained fire warrior is a best a normal guardsmen.

Nope, you are the retard. The IG are not common trash taken from their worlds. They tend to be the best than the planet offers. So example Krieg, Cadians, and those Russian expys. Each trained since birth to be IGs.

>Till the recent Tau fan fiction lore Tau air cast pilot had a hard time keeping up with Imperial pilots, let alone veterans

Nope, Tau air caste pilots lack in experience because of their relativily younger ages compared to VETERAN IG pilots not any IG pilot.

But that didn't make sense so they retconned it.

>>54218351
Lore says otherwise. Stop trying to equate lore with rules.

>>54215931
>>54217484
False, that's fanon, such as Purple being the color of stealth to Orks.

>>54218368
Now now, to be fair, Tau AI is decent at flying. That's why they handle most of it.

Also shooting. And manuevering. And keeping track of threats. And identifying weak spots in armor. And pretty much everything.

>>54218381
Actually cool.
They knew full well they were the underdogs. Hell it was implying that Tau warp Tech was half ass reversed engineer from an Imperial ship (maybe the mechanicus one that got fucked up due to warp storm)

They worked really hard to actually compete with the other older and bigger players. Basically going full Vietcong with proper gear.

Look th 3rd edition codex. Or any of the FW from 4th or older.
Tau look competent and not just plot armour anime protagonist protected by a stupidity bubble.
Anyone that fight Tau turns into a retarded for some reason

>>54218395
>Etherium: The Etherium is a highly advanced nodal layer built into the Culexus’ synskin that shifts the wearer’s body out of phase with realspace. This makes his physical form ghost-like and absent from the physical world, all but invisible to mortal eyes, just as his mind is absent from the spiritual plane.

From their Dataslate.

You fucking asshole

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Ok so RAW, when shooting markerlights with Pathfinders, I can do them one at a time and apply any bonus from previous hits to the next attack?

>>54218423
>Lore says otherwise. Stop trying to equate lore with rules.
Then source it you faggot.
I want a source that says the exact words
"Fire warriors are more disciplined than the average gaurdsman, even without an etheral"
Until then I will continue to say
>fire warriors are a disciplined race
>Ld:6

>>54218460
Yep.

>>54218460
No, you declare all targets at the same time

>>54218468
Neat, thanks!

>>54218461
>Tau are a shooting race
>Bs:4+

>>54218473
Yeah but fire each markerlight sequencially so after the first hits the rest reroll ones

>>54218477
>tau are a strong race
>S:3

>>54218423
>Krieg
>elite
Ok thanks to making it clear you are just shitposting

>>54218473
But you resolve them one at a time, and the Markerlight wording does not indicate that they're only checking when the attack is declared.

>>54218489
kek

>>54218423
Not every planet is one of the famous regiments anon.


Also, didn't Penal Legion have Bs:4+ too? And they were just criminals given basic training.

>>54218461
Kauyon and Mont'ka. The Tau and Cadians were put into great pressure. The Cadian continuously broke but the fire warriors rarely ever broke. The Imperium side turned regularly into a rout while the Tau side usually do a tactical retreat.

>>54218509
That is what everyone says regarding Tau.
Everyone that fights them turns into a drooling retard.
The best example of this is Pask.

>>54218508
What you're describing are Conscripts which are bs5+

>>54218509
That doesn't say "fire warriors are more disciplined than the average gaurdsman, even without an etheral"
Hell, that isn't even a source, you can't even bothered to provide a quotation or page number
So once again
>tau are a disciplined race
>Ld:6

>>54218493
Elite of their planet, you illiterate jackass. The best of the crop. Guys that are deemed inferior by the Krieg leaders are turned into target practice.

>>54218489
>Tau have good pain resistance
>T: 3

>>54218530
How pask bad?

>>54218537
Krieg are mass produce cannon fodder.
Catachan or Cadians are elite.
Krieg are just copy pasted bastards

>>54218535
When the Obsidian Knight appears in Kauyon. The Tau text says that the Tau fought with grim determination.

Compared that to what happened to the IG in the same situation in Fall of Cadia and Mont'ka.

>>54218547
The fucker used a Baneblade. That is enough to explain how bad Tau lore is. They can't show competent enemies otherwise Tau assplode

>>54218547
Pask like you not know grammar

>>54218533
... no, those are conscripts. I'm talking about penal legionaries. The guardsmen who could have rending?

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Finished my new test model.

Does it work?

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>>54218557
Still not what I asked for, so once again I say
>tau are a disciplined race
>Ld:6

>>54218550
Trained from birth and screened for any weaklings and then these weaklings are used as target practice. They are the elite fighting class of their planet.

>>54218508
Cadians are the standard and the most widespread IG in the galaxy. Its hard to name a a recent event that doesn't primarily feature Cadians.

>>54218571
nice

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>>54218571
Alternate angle.

>>54218565
But Pask Russman, no?

>>54218557
Just give us a fucking page number so we can actually discuss this.

>>54218583
>Krieg Are elite
>Cadians are in every war involving IG
WEW
E
W

>>54218571
>>54218586
I like it, how did you do the tail and ears ? Greenstuff ?

>>54218535
Anyone using "lore", 90% of which is wank propaganda, over table rules is wanking.

They have objective stats to determine who is better.

>>54218571
Well done. Hair conversions are tricky.

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>>54218574
i saw that picture and immediately assumed it was the "orks are a melee race" post

fuck this site man, the trolls are getting to me

>>54218606
krieg are FW stuff so naturally GW just doesn't acknowledge it exists most of the time

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>>54218586
Thought it was a phez and got excited, then looked at >>54218571

Disgusting.

>>54218589
Yep, Pask would never ride a Baneblade.
Expect in Tau lore, because having competent opponents goes against New Tau writing.

>>54218606
Shield of Baal.
Sanctus Reach
Mont'ka

I can go on.

And already explained what I meant already about the Krieg.

>>54218589
Correct, which is why it was stupid. Writers will turn the fluff upside down to make Tau look good.

Regarding Pistols.
If I can fire at enemies, even if my own units are within an inch, does that mean I can fire into melee?

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>>54218620
To be fair, it is an homage.
But yeah, if something is shitposted enough you cam start to see it even when it isn't there. Just the nature of the brain I suppose.
don't forget to take your daily dose

>>54217738
That looks good but ill stick to naggaroth night + xereus purple until im out of those. I hope army painters are not hard to get in poland.

>>54218649
Pask is not stupid. The text says he just a loner and has to interest in commanding. He only use his squadmates as cover and cannon fodder and that's it.

>>54218651
Yes, that is literally the entire point.

>>54218651
... what? What kind of fucking question is that?

>>54216705
i'm guessing he gets mad because people don't just say "they are sub par warriors" they probable talk about how shit tau are and that they need tech to compete.
I understand getting upset when people talk shit about an army i've spent 1000$ on and 100 hours painting. People get attached to factions I know a SM player that goes on rants about how much better SM are and how they shouldn't loose and the only reason they do is to pander to other factions.

>>54218571

Nice to see someone still remembers the rainbow warriors.

>>54218606
But IG tend to be the best their planet can offfer, the life of their governor is forfeit of they're not good enough and most are taken from veteran pdf members.

>>54218680
>Manlet marines BTFO

Then make an army of SM captains, if you wanna play the books.

>>54218680
Yeah well people should be able to handle their army being made fun of. I can't bring my GK to the LGS without at least one person going "Lol Gay Knights" but do I care ? Not at all.

>>54218574
Found it.

>A basic Fire Warrior is, on most occasions, no match for even a newly recruited Guardsman in close quarters combat. Their lack of fighting ability is possibly linked to a slow reaction time, which, in turn, may be a factor of their reduced depth perception and slow focusing reflex. Strength and resilience are at least the equal of a human, while their discipline in battle is generally better than that of an average Guardsman. A Fire warrior is generally equipped with a pulse rifle and this weapon has superior range to most Imperial weapons of comparable hitting power, though this is at the expense of armour penetration. It is an ideal defensive weapon, capable of laying down a formidable hail of fire on attackers. It is also common to see Fire warriors taking the field with the shorter-barrelled pulse carbine. This weapon has a reduced range, but may be fired on the move just as effectively. The carbine is also equipped with an underslung grenade dispenser that fires simultaneously with the pulse shots and this can cause less disciplined troopers to seek cover rather than advance.

-WD 262

I hope you get hit by a truck. This is a second time I disproved a lie.

>>54218670
Pask isn't usually stupid, but they made him stupid so Longstrike would get to asspull a victory against a baneblade. Shooting Russes from a kilometer away by telling your AI-driven targeting system to do it while you sit back sipping a drink isn't very cool or difficult to do.

>>54218697
>Then make an army of SM captains, if you wanna play the books.
Man, I really wish captians could take heavy and special weapons. I think it'd be real fun to take an army of 9 captians and a chapter master (assuming we get rules for them in the codex) and run them as a movie marine tac squad.

Either way, the lack of ability to make shooty captians is criminal.

>>54216297
>Gk anti vehicle options
As if we had any to begin with.

>>54218725
>tau are inferior to humans
>see Tau are better

Are you stupid?

>>54218725
not that anon, but I love how the paragraph talking about how good tau were was just saying "They're worse than guardsmen, but they follow orders better and they have cool guns to make up for it"

>>54218725
>claims tau are better than gaurdsman
>posts fluff that says they're worse, or at best equal to gaurdsmen
Not him, but I don't think you understand what that stuff means

>>54218746
Nice strawman.

I already said that their issue is their depth perception and the fact that they do not train for melee but in terms of strength and pain tolerance they are to humans. PLUS they are more disciplined and skilled than thie human counterparts.

So no. They are not inferior. In fact, Farsight is a skilled melee warrrior and Aun'shi is pretty much godlike for an non-augmented mortal. Also Shadowsun dueled Kar'sarro Khan briefly in melee combat. So there is no inherent inferiority here.

>>54218745
I don't actually play SM. You can't make them shooty? But don't you have all those madter crafted boltguns and reliquary plasma guns?

>>54218784
See >>54218781