MTG Modern General

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Lightning bolt tribal
>what are you hating?
Collective brutality
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Lathnu hellion

>>54200047
>playing
Ponza mostly but probaby going to give Grishoalbrand a try this week
>hating
that I can't find a combo deck I really like
>jank
Violent Impact has been decent to me in Ponza

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>>54200087
>Lightning bolt tribal
>Still thinks that's funny
KYS pleb

>>54200047
Hey all

Playing UW Vial Spirits

Hating Titan-Shift (sometimes Tron)

Jankiest card is Ojutai's Command.

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
GDS
>what are you hating?
Mirror match is pretty boring. Might switch to esper DS for the edge
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Death's Shadow I guess

found a set of death's shadows in one of my boxes, should I sell now or wait a bit

>>54200047
Been playing a super budget 8 rack deck that is doing surprisingly well against deaths shadow. Smallpox is definitely the jankiest but man does it over perform

>>54200047
8whack
Nothing especially
Mogg War Marshal or Mogg Fanatic.
Almost feel like replacing Marshal with Krenko's Command or something. Might even replace it with Don Krenko or Goblin Chieftain.
Pinging a Birds of Paradise or another toughness 1 with Fanatic feels nice but I don't get a lot more use out of it.

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would you date a used up toastie roastie who's sat on every dick at Hasbro?

I would.

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>>54200758
Wait until they ban it, then sell

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>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Devoted Company and a bit of Elves.
>what are you hating?
Noble Hierarch's price.
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
I don't know, you tell me.

>>54200893
wouldn't date, would shag

what's a good rating on xmage

does rating even matter

>>54201188
+1400 essentially means you are good at the game and don't lose to BRs
+1500 means you are a real hot shot
+1600 means you're a filthy EDH fuck who plays a degenerate combo deck that always wins
Anyone with a rating below 1200 is either brand new or a subhuman shitter who wants to play ooze tribal.

rating is mostly irrelevant though, its mostly just for making your E-penis feel bigger

>lightning bolt tribal
>nothing really. GDS is annoying but it's not too bad
>thunderous wrath

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>>54200047

>what are you playing?
Lantern Control.

>what are you hating?
People taking my gosh darn bridges out of my hand.

>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Playsetty of mainboard leylines.
Other than that a Sideboard Gaddock Teeg which is actually bananas. No EE, no Chalice, no Chord, no cryptic, no extra turns, no shatter storm/fracturing gust, no brolista.

is bump in the night really not good enough to warrant a spot in burn?

>>54201663
What are you taking out for it?

>>54201682
Helix maybe? I can't imagine the lifegain being relevant that much of the time.

I'm not a very good burn player though. Just 1 mana deal 3 seems like the card you should run 4 of regardless of the color.

>>54201713
You're on the money in terms of the worst card in current burn. 3 Life means little against most decks currently played. This mardu burn list came 4th in the most recent MTGO PTQ
4 Arid Mesa
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Blood Crypt
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Mountain

4 Bump in the Night
3 Burst Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Shard Volley
3 Boros Charm
2 Searing Blaze
3 Skullcrack
4 Rift Bolt

4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
2 Grim Lavamancer

2 Stony Silence
1 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Leyline of the Void
3 Smash to Smithereens
1 Exquisite Firecraft
2 Rain of Gore
2 Deflecting Palm
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Wear/Tear

The rain of gores are for scapeshift, which will side in baloths and thragtusk's for burn. Keep in mind this list is very meta game focused, a bunch of the choices could be bad in a week. But it's a good starting point if you wanted to build mardu burn.

>>54201663
Imo it's not that bump isn't good enough, it's just that you'd have to change your land base to accommodate black and that could make the deck as a whole less efficient.

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>>54201860
>mardu burn
>no crackling doom

>>54201893
>paying 3 mana for 2 damage

>>54200047
>playing
Norin Sisters
>hating
Turn one discard
>jank
The whole deck? Probably my set of maindeck Confidants though, mardu Norin is a strange place to be, though it is pretty legit honestly.

>>54201663
Are you talking about this?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-black-burn-modern

Better off playing Rakdos Aggro or Mono-Black Devoiton.

>>54200758
I honestly don't think they'll be much higher than this. I'd keep them, but that's me.

>>54201306

I got 1400 with Knight tribal, 1400 doesn't mean shit

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Is this the silver bullet against Death's Shadow?

>>54202676
I'd probably run Lilianna's Defeat instead. You lose instant speed, but you hit Lilianna.

>>54202676
Fatal Push.

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>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Bring to Light White Scapeshift
>what are you hating?
6+ Turn 1 discard effects in a single deck
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Mnemonic Nexus in side board (There's 5 lantern control decks in my meta)
Also pic related in mainboard

>>54202676
>>54202729
devour flesh hits all 3 creatures and turns off their shadows =^)

>>54202854
that jank is my kind of jank

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U/W, Jeskai or esper control?

>>54203039
UW is more consistent and better against Tron
Jeskai is better against small aggro decks like counters company or elves and also is a decent clock against any slow-ish decks
Esper is better against midrange like Abzan and big aggro decks like Eldrazi Tron but can go pitifully slow

-Esper Control Player

>>54203039
I'm a sucker for jeskai because of how much I like lightning bolt and lightning helix.

>>54200119

That was so funny when you posted it in the legacy thread as well. Reminder that this site is 18+.

>>54201306

What if I'm at 1350? Then again I'd probably be higher if so many people didn't play degenerate combo in legacy.

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>>54202854

I'm going to build pretty much the same, testing it on xmage felt good.

Nobody expects it when bring to light grabs madcap experiment

>>54200893
no, she is a disgusting person in both looks and personality.

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>>54200047

>playing
bant spirits

>Hating
Lantern, as always

>jank
I try to put at least 1 of echoing truth in every deck

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Still playing DSJ, but subbed it the white for Blue so I can main board 3 stubborn denials
>>what are you hating?
Nothing gets me particularly upset, but I never enjoy playing against decks that play 30+ creatures
>>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Rhonas. I side him in against creature heavy decks since the trample helps out a lot and it's very easy to make him be able to attack and block

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>>54201860
>19 lands
>4x Shard Volley
>No Eidolon
>Burst Lightning of all things
>still playing Lavamancer

What the fuck is going on? I don't know if this person is a genius, or a complete idiot. Either way it's insanity.

>>54204261
>MTGO
Different meta.

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Bant Worship.
>what are you hating?
CoCo.
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Probably Sylvan Caryatid. Even Geist on T2 has felt lackluster when it happens given how fast the metagame has gotten, so I abandoned that in favor of being able to get Worship online T3 with just a mana dork on the board.

K Command needs to go.

>>54204261
he gave his reasons on ~~~reddit~~~

if you want a summary: helix sucks in general, eidelon sucks right now, 1 mana spells in general are always better than 2 mana spells

>>54204426
Got a link? I would like to see his thought process. I mean, obviously he did something right and I always like innovation in Burn.

>>54204441
https://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comments/6lbb60/modern_3rd4th_in_the_300_player_magic_online_ptq/

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do you play Hearthstone?

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>>54204459
Fascinating. Thanks.

>>54204619
it was a cool timewaster when it was new but winning or losing based off of card effect rng over and over again got boring

>>54204422

Needs to be more discard hate. Loxodon Smiter is OK but there needs to be more. Red especially needs some discard protection considering its already a color of inherent card disadvantage.

>>54205301
A card like Guerrilla Tactics?

>>54205301
Black and lands are protected as all hell.

>>54205301
1W
If you would reveal cards from your hand, instead reveal two nonland cards.
2/1

>>54200893
id marry if fertile
just want my own kids desu

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>>54201910

>>54205353

I'd play that pretty much everywhere

>>54201910
>getting rid of a fatty and dealing 2 damage for 3 mana is bad
Go away

>>54205392
Kommand is more than that, and you know it.

>>54205598
so is crackling doom

>>54201860

>1x leyline

This is so fucking stupid. Either run 4 or none.

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can myth realized work in taking turns? maybe include it in a deck with narset.

>>54205630
Doom requires 3 colors to cast and is limited in what it can do, whereas Kommand is a fucking swiss army knife. Kommand is two 1 cmc effects with an extra mana to cast both at the same time. Doom is an edh card.

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what the fuck

from here http://tappedout.net/mtg-articles/2017/jul/3/modern-tiered-list-weekly-update-7117/

>>54205752
In Legacy people used to play something similar with the Nic-Fit engine (Veteran Explorer and Cabal Therapy) so I don't think it's that weird.

>>54205337

I'm of the opinion that discard effects are very very good, and Thoughtsieze could be banned. Its a one mana destroy/counter 99% of target nonland cards. Counterspells can be played around but what is the counterplay to T1 discard unless you have a leyline? Discard is too uninteractive for 90% of decks and there needs to be more punishment for mainboarding 8 one mana discard effects.

>>54205329

Yes. Staple the effects to some creatures and spells and we're good to go. The cards need to be good enough that they arent completely terrible vs decks that dont interact with your hand, should be a meta call type of deal. Maybe something like:

(1RR) - Flaring Tempers

If an effect would cause you to discard FT or another card in your hand, you may discard FT instead. If FT is discarded this way it deals 4 damage to target player and you draw a card.

Discard a card, draw a card. FT deals 4 damage to target creature or player and 2 damage to you.

Flashback (2RRR)

Casting effect could be anything else really, maybe something more creative but I think I gave an idea for soke discard hate.

>>54204619
It gets a bad wrap but they're ratcheting up the complexity each expansion. If you have a good collection there's insane control matches on the wild ladder.

>>54204619
Yes. I've gotten Legend several times but it's not that good of a game.

Extremely luck based

>>54205842

>nic-fit

that's something I hadn't heard in years

>>54205905

Actually looking back at that it would be horribly overpowered. Should be "If an effect an opponent controls" otherwise there would be some shenanigans going on.

>>54205905
>there needs to be more punishment for mainboarding 8 one mana discard effects.
Normally the punishment is that your topdecks become shit and you lose to grindy control or prison decks, but with all the pushed creatures WotC prints, the beatdown machine for decks like Death's Shadow is super effecient AND Tron is still around to punish control decks further.

>>54205981

That's why GDS is so good though, it will just Serum then Thoughtscour away shit top decks and fuel the delve machine. Shit son can you imagine if Cruise or Dig were legal?

You guys think I should build Todd Steven's GW Company deck or Hatebears?

Also, how much is Aether Vial needed in Hatebears? I could buy three CoCos for how much one of those things are

>>54205981
what cards would need to be printed/unbanned for the control or prison decks to be able to compete

>>54206057
You can't Serum away every bad topdeck, it's not Preordain.

>>54206100
Vial is essential. It's pricey but buying in to it opens up a few decks.

>>54206106
I would start with this.

Reprint:
Counterspell
Accumulated Knowledge
Vindicate

Unban:
Stoneforge Mystic
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Bloodbraid Elf

I wouldn't ban anything right away, but it might be necessary to ban Eldrazi Temple or Chalice if E Tron is still a problem later on.

So control gets some new toys, and we get another maindeckable way to interact with lands. BBE comes back to keep Jace in check and give traditional Jund and RUG a boost.

>>54206100
>Todd Steven's GW Company
literally what deck?

>>54205703
there's some esper control list running around with 4x Myth Realized in the main board, googling countermyth should bring it up

It's such an almost good card

>>54206296
It's a GW valuetown "FUCK LANDS" deck that has 4x Courser of Kruphix/Knight of the Requliary, 1x Azusa and 1x Crucible of Worlds to get ghost quarters and blow shit up

>>54206296
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/636838#paper

Something like that. It's basically a GW Company creature deck but it's got Knight of the Reliquary to cheat out utility lands and thin the deck, with the cheesy Ghost Quarter/Azusa/Crucible combo to just win some games. Plus with the new Crucible creature coming out the deck will only get stronger

Fucking ban Urza lands already. Tron warps the format to be guaranteed T4. You either win by then or you lose to Tron. Tron is 70/30 vs every deck. You either stomp or you get stomped, how is that healthy for the format? Wasn't "constant and reliable unwinnable game states" the rational behind many bannings before?

T. Very salty mid-range and control player

>>54206476
Besides tron there's some lands a deck would be better with having means to destroy them, but having to build every single deck then wondering "Wait, do I have what I need to beat tron?" Is such a pain

>>54206257
>BBE comes back to keep Jace in check and give traditional Jund and RUG a boost.
Don't forget Naya senpai

>>54206476
It will never happen cucktrol babby
Deaths Shadow will be banned and our colorless overlords will reign. Much better then blue babbies.

>what are you playing?
I took a few months off (health issues) and played an Esper Death's Shadow (meh) and then last week I played Affinity.

>what are you hating?
My shitty playing.

>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Sometimes I find room for Ray of Revelation in my sideboards.

>>54206257

>Accumulated Knowledge
unf

>>54206761
>has no argument
>calls people 'cuck' and 'babby'
you know you have to be at least 18 to be here right?

fucking summer

>>54206476

I have to say that I hate to play with or against tron, and it's definitely my least favorite thing in modern to watch on stream

But on the other hand ugin is a very cool card and I think it's healthy for there to be a deck that plays ugin in modern. I just wish it could be something a little more fair. I would like people to play some of the fair mana rocks they've printed to ramp instead of cheesing you out with tron lands

Today I forgot that Primal Command shuffles graveyards back in while playing against Living End n_______n

>>54207663
Get fucked senpai

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Cycle tribal
>what are you hating?
Ux control
>what's the jankiest card in your 75
Choke. It's not "jank" just a subpar choice in the current meta. But them blue mage tears LMAO

Deck about Goblin Gavaleer, equipment artifacts, Kuldotha Rebirth, Shrapnel Blast and Goblin Grenade. Yes or no?

>>54206476
>Tron is 70/30 vs every deck
How to spot the person who has never played Aggro in their life.

>>54208287
This is modern, not pauper broseph

I own B/W token decks (modern14) was looking to upgrade/rebuild the deck something else any suggestions?

>>54208287

>goblin gavaleer

What?

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So, today I got those cards for free, I don't know much about MTG, I only played occasionally using some basics deck I borrowed in a pub I frequently visit that has shitton of board games you can play for free.
They said someone gave them those and since nobody really played it there they didn't know what to do with them so they gave them to me for free.
I'm thinking about making a White / Black deck, is it a good idea?

Also, what exactly is considered "modern" MTG? I sorted cards and in my pic are only cards that look like this >>54200047 >>54202676 (There were also few from visibly older versions), do they qualify as current cards or only cards like >>54205392 >>54205703
do?
Can I use those in some MTG clubs or whatever places people play those?

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>>54208770
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Modern
Read this If you want to know about the best format there is.

>>54208770
http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/formats/modern

Modern is a format not an era, I really wish this format had a different name. You most likely just have a pile of warped cards that can't be built into a modern deck and you're better off playing kitchen table if that's the case. If you are interested in the modern format be aware that decks can run anywhere from $400-500 all the way up to $2000 although you might be able to chop some off if you do have anything in that pile.

>>54208870
Very outdated picture

>>54200047
As much as people seem to hate grixis deaths shadow it's fun to play. All the cards work together perfectly.

>>54208870
So they're still considered modern and usable, and there won't be any problems like people complaining I'm using some old edition cards?
That's mostly what I wanted to know, thanks for the Deck suggestions but I prefer to build my own since it's more fun.
Thanks for the help.

>>54208977
I'm not really looking to join some tournaments, I just want to play for fun so I really fucking doubt I'm ever going to buy some decks, especially for 400$.
Thanks for that link though.

>>54208770
Modern is a format where you can use cards from the Mirrodin set (2003) to today. besides the timeshifted cards from time spiral and the cards on the banlist for modern most of thoes cards are usable.

Also, fair warning but the decks can run from $300 - $2000 (jund is a primary offender on the high end category)

Also there are names for the color combos that i will list here
Double
White + Blue = Azorius
Blue + Black = Dimir
Black + Red = Rakdos
Red + Green = Gruul
Green + White = Selesnya
White + Black = Orzhov
Blue + Red = Izzet
Black + Green = Golgari
Red + White = Boros
Green + Blue = Simic


Triple

Red + green + black = Jund
White + green + blue = Bant
Black + red + blue = Grixis
Green + white + red = Naya
Blue + white + black = Esper
Blue + red + white = Jeskai (clan on Tarkir) or Raka (from Apocalypse)
Red + white + black = Mardu (clan on Tarkir) or Dega (from Apocalypse)
Black + green + blue = Sultai (clan on Tarkir) or Ana (from Apocalypse)
Green + blue + red = Temur (clan on Tarkir) or Ceta (from Apocalypse)
White + black + green = Abzan (clan on Tarkir) or Necra (from Apocalypse),

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>>54208770
If you can find any old bordered cards >pic related
or cards with the little symbol near the middle right of the card in gold or a bronze color set them aside and look up their prices.

>>54208770
I might recommend sorting out the rare cards, the ones with a gold symbol to the bottom right of the picture. Those cards are fairly old and you could be sitting on a gold mine, or a pile of garbage.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/prices/select
Take a peak here in the Modern section for relatively accurate prices and see if you can't pick out some gems.

I've been thinking about getting back into modern recently. I played tron before the eye ban and took a break to focus on legacy for a while. I think a deaths shadis variant would be right up my ally and I have most of the cards already. However I'm still a bit shell shocked over the probe ban and now I see babbies crying over discard. How likely do you fellas think it is that something from DS might get the axe? I'd love an excuse to bust out my foil ganglers.

>>54209249
If it looks like fun to you and you own most of the cards for it play it. If they ban something you can always change to grixis delver or something like that.

>>54209249
Something from Death's Cancer is getting banned, we aren't sure what just yet, but we know SOMETHING is getting the B& hammer. Shadow is probably gonna be the card that eats shit, because WotC doesn't have the balls to print good answers or to unban anything.

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>>54209308
>because WotC doesn't have the balls to print good answers
But they did and that's what got us into this mess

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Naya Allies
>what are you hating?
Eldrazi tron because its all my best friend plays.
>whats the jankest card in your 75?
prolly highland berserker in my sideboard.

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>>54209541
We all know this is the real offender here.

>>54209716
That's not Thoughtseize though.

>>54209772
Yeah ban Thoughtseize.
Can't wait for Ad Nauseam and Storm to be the best decks. Combo decks make for the best gameplay for both parties.

>>54209716
>tfw I've been using this since release
Nice to see people finally see it's very good

>>54209855
>c-c-combo would take over
Protip: Duress is legal in modern and the only reason it doesn't see play is because we have broken cards like thoughtseize running around as """""""police cards""""""""".

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Building Counters Company, what should I expect? I've never played a CoCo deck but I played a lot of Pod, both in standard and modern. How are the deck's matchups?

>>54209995
Discard is hardly broken. It's a one for one trade that's only as good as the card you take and it can't stop you from casting what you draw. Besides, modern can only ever use discard in a fair way. Shit gets real when fast combo shows up and uses it just to make sure you can't stop them.

>>54210230
You're thinking of Thoughtseize too narrowly as a mere 1-for-1. It's significantly more than just removing a nonland card and gaining a bit of mana tempo. A T1 Thoughtseize increases the variance in the game incredibly in your favor especially when you win the coin toss to go first. It takes a passable hand, possibly after a mulligan, and renders it into a poor hand and not only that, because you actually got to see their entire hand you can safely be as reckless or conservative as you want with other answers or plays in your hand knowing exactly what you need to react to or ignore from what you saw. I love savaging people with the card but Thoughtseize is easily in my mind the most unfair card ever printed outside of the really dumb shit in Eternal. It reaches into an area of design space that is much too efficient regardless of the metagame and the fact it doesn't require any synergy with deckbuilding. Inquisition is equivalent in power. It's not that the format is warped around the card like it is with Bolt; cards like Thoughtseize and Inquisition are strong because their mechanism amplies the built-in variance weaknesses in the game. Of course, if you like variance in the game then Thoughtseize is a fine card. But I feel like this sort of variance is taking it too far.

>>54210230

Wrong. Discard is strong early game becuase its not one card for one card, its your one card for your oppenents best card/next turn play, AND the information of your oppenents entire hand. Plus there is almost zero interaction possible short of a counterspell, but how do you intract T0? The weakness of discard is that it doesnt stop top decks and becomes a bad top deck.

>>54210454
The number of times I've narrowly avoided tilting after getting nailed by a turn 1 Thoughtseize on the play is distressingly high.

>>54200758
Deathshadow is a trash card and a trash deck. Sell them as soon as you can profit before the meme ends and people realise its bad.

>>54210454
Inquisition is not equally as good and you are retarded. Thoughtseize is a straight up better inquisition all the wqy around, even in modern.

>>54211365
Not an argument.

>>54211433
K
Lol

1. Ban Snapcaster Mage
2. Print red Snapcaster Mage

would that make Modern healthier?

>>54211732
Bans can't fix a broken format.

>>54211732
It would make me as a Burn player much happier.

>>54211732
also give red force of will

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I need 4 more cards for SB.
1 blood moon
2 inquisition of kozilek
1 steel overseer

>>54211831
Your main deck is whack

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>>54200047

Why did they make a white card so creepy and evil looking?

>>54211873
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrderIsNotGood ?

>>54211873
Because white is not just good.

>>54211873
Are you new to magic?
Color is nonmoral.

>>54211865
Thanks for the advice very helpful.

Youre a fucking joke why even comment you dumb fuck.

>>54211896
Fuck off you dumb faggot.

>>54205842
The nic-fit version has to be a lot better than this though.

>>54211902
Lmao yes please rage more it makes my cock throb

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>>54211896

is Dredge a good long-term buy?

as in it's unlikely to get hit with a direct "nerf" ban anytime soon

>>54211892

Well, sorta. Red is very moral, as morality is about your own personal principles. White is ethical, as it's about the codes of conduct of a group.

>>54211831
>Ensoul artifact lol
>Thoughtcast LOL
>one Steel overseer its almost a second ravager
>two Galvanic blasts what are you doing

>>54211943
ensoul artifact 5/5 for 2 is a bitch on turn one.
steel overseer very slow and always always gets removed.
thoughtcast mitigates loss of ensoul artifact and draws shit when your hand is empty. Thins deck and can draw you the two blasts.

Youre tripping.

>>54211982
>steel overseer is bad because of removal
>getting 2 for 1'd with ensoul artifact is ok, because I also run thoughtcast

>>54211918
>as in it's unlikely to get hit with a direct "nerf" ban anytime soon
>has the dubious honor of having Golgari Grave-troll banned twice

>>54211831
Why the fuck would you want bloodmoon you idiot.

You need another etched champion, it shits all over memeshadow

You need a way to deal with ensnaring bridge, stony silence, pithing needles, cranial platings.

You need a hard removal spell like dispatch, also for memeshadow and othher fatties

Good luck retard i sure hope you dont want to play competitive.

>>54212030
Ive already gotten 1st place in 4 tournaments with this list.

I had another etched champion but a 4th is not necessary.

This list is far more explosive than a traditional 4 overseer list.

You should try shit before you start riding the badnwagon cock the way you do.

Deathshadow gets fucked by this deck im not even worried about shadow. UW control is far more of a threat where i play.

>>54211982
Steel overseer wins you the game or eats a kill spell instead of your cranial plated guy or your ravager. And then you win.
1/1 counters do not fall off of blink/inkmoth nexus so you can make your lands fat af too. Its really spicy.

Ensoul artifact is really shit and only decent on darksteel citadel. Also it isnt an artifact and doesnt do anything by itself and is a bad topdeck

>>54212070
I'm curious about what the meta is like where you're winning with this list. Not because it's shit, but because I can't imagine it stacking up consistently well against the field because it's a pile of jank.

>>54212030
Did you literally not see the ray of revelation, spell pierce, aether grid...

>>54212017
well it's not like they're going to unban dread return or unban GGT a second time

>>54212070
Youre still retarded. Steel overseer shits all over uw dont overextend and you cant lose.

>>54212108
Aethergrid, ray of shit
Theres your problem dipshit
Spell pierce is meh

>>54211831
>ensoul
>2:2 Glimmer/spire split
>1 overseer

And they say /tg/ isn't bad at magic

>>54211982
>>54212072
Affinity empties its hand on turn 2-4. Ensoul Artifact will consistently be the worst topdeck ever. In a deck that topdecks a lot.

Also, even Darksteel Citadel can eat a Path. And Death's Shitshow eats 5/5s for breakfast, and so do Tarmys.

>>54212176
Golden rule anon. None of us actually play the game. It's all an elaborate trick.

>>54212176
I could see not having full sets of the expensive stuff, but he already has all of the pricey cards and just needs to not be retarded and he has the best deck in modern.

>>54212211
Thats why the fuck thought cast is in the deck.

Secondly.. youre going to sit here and tell me that ornithopter is a good turn 4-5 top deck? Should i take that out too?

Your logic is fucked and Im willing to bet you dont play affinity well if even at all. You rarely want to empty your hand. Its not a smart move.

>>54211873
does superman understand what 'hot' and 'cold' are as they pertain to beverages? like was there ever a time when he was at the office and he just chugs a cup of fresh in front of a bunch of people because he didn't know it would cause a human being immense physical pain and burns to do so?

>>54212366
Ornithopter is a good late game topdeck.
It flies and can wear cranial plating... the only thing better is vault skirge.

>>54212211
Springleaf drum is also a dead top deck.

Ensoul on a drum is very viable and good option. All of you havent even tried this list out so how tf can you open your mouths?

>>54212366
>your logic is fucked
Says the retard playing spires over glimmervoid, not playing 4 ofs of the best cards in the deck, and playing bad cards that no good affinity players even have anywhere on their list.

Oh and thoughtcast is bad without artifact lands and you should feel bad.
Ok kid

>>54212480
>mfw 1:3 glimmer/spire first place GP vegas affinity list.

Okay dude just shut the fuck up clearly you dont know wtf youre falking about.

>>54212480
Ben coursey top 8 at GP vegas with ensoul artifact in his main..

Idk wtf you guys are bitching about its a good fucking choice.

>>54212176
Allen Wu ran 2:2 at gp vegas and made top 8...

>>54212404
Holy fuck kek. Thanks for this post

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>>54208749

garbage

>>54211831

Is this budget affinity or are you allergic to creatures

why the fuck would you run ensoul artifact

>>54210454
thoughtseize is a 100% fair card that outside the DS decks doesn't have never seen that much play...(it's a x3 playset in some decks, is a SB option in others...)
the problem is that is a supersynergic card, and in some (sporadically) case is the t1 nail on the coffin.
but again: why ban a card instead of trying to print new efficients answers?

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Since I missed the judge thread, I'm asking here. What exactly is the timing on Undying Evil and Evoke creatures?

I want to try this in a Flicker deck and as far as I understood, I can cast Undying Evil after the sacrifice trigger goes on the stack and, if the opponent doesn't use removal/counters, the creature dies and returns with a +1/+1 counter and stays for good.

>>54213394
>Evoke
the rulings for evoke state:
Playing a creature by paying its evoke cost will result in two comes-into-play abilities: The sacrifice ability from evoke, and whatever other ability the creature has. The creature's controller chooses in what order to put them on the stack. Both abilities can be responded to as normal.

So yes, your understanding is correct. The timing is to announce triggered abilities going on the stack, order them and state that you are casting Undying Evil when you get priority after that happens ('in response').

>>54209996
Pretty much everything is great. You have so many options post board that really help against any matchup. DSJ is probably the worst, because of all the removal and discard, but Ewit helps a lot.

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>DS decks
devour lightcaster if you're white
chameleon colossus if you're green
blood baron if you're abzan

and the lastest tech, this bomb-ass card in abzan delirium

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>>54213602
Don't mind me, just raping your hand

>>54213602
>devour lightcaster if you're white
mirran crusader is way better

>>54213632
>has double strike
vs
>exiles shit etb

crusader is better mainboard, and arguably eats snaps. I've seen grixis run bolts though.

>>54213394
>Flickering Mulldrifter
Not even Hitler had this much gas.

>>54213773
Was mostly thinking of Shriekmaw since I'm using B/W Eldrazi as base, but I might just go U/B if this Evoke combo works out.

>Undying Reality Smasher in response to removal
It's been too long since I angered someone into quitting magic alltogether.

>>54213844
>Undying Reality Smasher in response to removal
Who actually points removal other than Path at Smashers, though?

>>54213889
Someone who's about to die to it otherwise. Really, that play would just add insult to inhury, but would be good for a laugh.

More serious plays are gonna be Shriekmaw on the offensive and Matter Reshaper when it blocks. There's also Supernatural Stamina in case I want to slug things out in combat, but I'd rather have a cheap trampler with that card.

>>54209995
Duress isn't played because it sucks

>>54210230
Discard is far more than a 1 for 1. The Thoughtseize you drew was a random card off the top, but you get to take your opponent's best card. And knowing what your opponent is going to do is sort of a big deal. Your hand is Thoughtseize Push? Take the Tasigur and leave them playing a Death's Shadow that eats your push. Like nigger no, Thoughtseize is not a flat 1 for 1.

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>>54206476
Just run land disruption. On Blue? Spreading Seas, more? Sea's Claim. White? Leonin Arbiter/Aven Mindcensor+Quarter(+Surgical Extraction). Red, Black and Green have tons of LD.
Playing Midrange and Control? Fuck you, you'll have to at least pack it in the side to deal with those lands

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>>54213351
>thoughtseize doesn't have never seen that much play.
opinion disregarded

>>54213351
Thoughsieze is in ~42% of modern decks, while DS is in ~16%.

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>>54213773
>Not even Hitler had this much gas.

Fuck, this took me of guard.

>>54202836
Doesn't hit tasigur and angler, although it's certainly better in every other matchup

>>54200893
How can you be so pathetic that you're willing to date or marry this cheating roastie whore? I don't understand that kind of desperation.

>>54212012
>not ensouling Darksteel Citadel
You're bad at magic desu

>>54215138
>always having darksteel
guess I should get better at palming hands to be good at affinity

>>54215138
>ensoul citadel
>"k"
>plays path

>>54214612
yeah, maybe I had to say "thoughtseize doesn't have never get that much of attentions before the git prob ban" since all of this chattering about the monstrous amount of power of this card came from the rise of the DS decks.

>>54213394

Doesn't Walking Ballista + Undying Evil make for Infinite Damage? It has Undying "until the end of the turn" after all. Just keep popping off the +1/+1 counters, sending it to the graveyard, it'll come back with a +1/+1 counter, remove it for damage, rinse, repeat.

>>54216060
When it comes back from the grave it's a different creature, it doesn't have undying anymore

If I drop a Rishkar, peema renegade while I have a Gyre Sage, can I put the evolve counter on it before giving the Peema counter?

>>54216441
yeah

>>54200788
list?

I want to put together a retarded fucking meme deck with collected company. what would you suggest?

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>>54216072
Does anything else other than this guy allow the combo to work? Like "Creatures you control gain Undying until the end of turn" or something similar?

>>54217255
Creatures you control gain Undying until the end of turn
That wouldn't work either, once they die and come back they don't have undying anymore. It either needs to be permanent like Mikaeus, or 'When a creatures enters the battlefield it gains undying'

>>54217255
desu even mikaeus doesn't really work because he gives ballista a static +1/+1. so you take the last counter off and ballista doesn't die, unless you deal 1 damage to itself. then you have a loop that does nothing.

>>54217323
Didn't even see his lord ability, I'm a dummy.

>>54217323
easy solution is to play heartless summoning

>>54214777
If I date her, I might be able to play Magic against a real person.

>>54215321
What is this, magic timmy christmasland?

What's the best place to search for land by art? Using a lot of basics so need some cool ones.

>>54217765
magiccards.info might work.

>>54206257
Hasn't accumulated knowledge been reprinted in Take Inventory?

>>54218378
It was in the Kiora-elspeth Duel deck, but its not modern legal

>tfw someone paths your spell queller while it's effect is still on the stack
hue hue hue

>>54218378
Take Inventory is sorcery

>>54218409
He meant a card with a similar effect from SOI

>>54218698
Oh right, speed difference, thanks anon

>>54218511
tfw i path my spell queller when it's effect is on the stack to search for a land and exile thier spell

>>54219838
So you spent 4 mana and two cards to counter a spell and search for a land tapped.. doesnt seem like you won that exchange dude

>>54220018
When I'm playing UW(x) and what I exiled forever is my opponents single thrun, yea it's a fair trade.

>>54220046
Well you need to specify that, if its just exiling a Boros Charm then not so good, but an unbeatable sideboard card is fine to take that measure for.

How often should I keep one landers on Burn? Im usually decently cautious because if I dont draw the land I just lose, but theres occasional times ill keep and it gets there which is always great. I dont aggressively mulligan but I caution around one landers especially on the play. I just dont like the idea of losing to my dumb decison to keep before the game even begins.

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>>54218511
>tfw someone Snapcasters Lingering Souls

>>54220136
Depends how greasy your hand is
Is it all 1 mana spells and something like searing blaze?
Because that is a hand I'd keep

>>54220214
Ok. Ill keep more eye on it. I misplayed last night and mulled away a hand I shouldve kept because i was being cautious. It was one fetchland two Monastery, two Rift Bolt, and Searing Blaze. Shouldve kept but was too cautious.

>>54220264
>>54220214
It was against Shadow so I was a bit worried if I dont topdeck the land next turn they just start ripping my hand apart but still should have risked it.

>>54217198
Collected Company and at least 1 forest or other green source.

>>54200893

>The girl these nerds think is "hot" is worse than 70% of the girls in every class i've taken in the last 4 years.
pathetic

>>54201608

Nobody plays Lantern Control anymore.

>>54208870

This is very dated.

>>54221877
Not the lantern anon, but there's 4 or so lantern decks in my meta right now

>>54221877
>This is very dated.
Yeah I know, It should say "Don't bother just play GDS instead" at then end of every branch

Thoughts on this shitbrew? I need something to play with some of my more casual friends.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-modern-artifact-aggro-2/

>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Building a merfolk deck to bring to FMN soon
>what are you hating?
Idunnoyet
>what's the jankiest card?
all of them.

>>54222225
Why would I play a shit deck that couldn't even top 8 Vegas?

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>>54200047
>what are you playing?
Mono-Red Tron!

>what are you hating?
Death's Shadow. Not the deck, just the actual creature. Also, Merfolk.

>what's the jankiest card in your 75
I will let you guys decide: Chandra the Firebrand, Pyromancers Goggles, Blasphemous Act, Stuffy Doll, Staff of Nin and Trading Post are all hot contenders.

Mechanics of bayes rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK7X_XlGB8

Now apply it to mtg decks and Tiers. Then think back to tier 2 decks that are sometimes very good in certain meta, but might not put up results due to being less played, hence likelyhood of top8 is slim. Then realize /tg/ is just bad.

>>54223095
G R I L L

I want to start playing modern, I've only played commander.
What's a good deck to start with?

>>54217468
>having one card is more magical christmasland than two

k

>>54223095
But people do this all the time in Modern. Like the entire reason D&T has taken an upswing is because of how popular GSD is.

>>54205752
call me a fucking idiot, but how the hell does this deck win?
the only damage is from the 2 valakuts

>>54224353
Ste beatdown ;^)

>>54224067
Valakut is a helluva card duder.
look up scapeshift's rulings and also prismatic omen's rulings

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>>54224429

>>54224488
And why are you playing black over blue? You lose the toolbox of Bring to Light, not to mention the raw digging power of blue, counterspells, and Snapcaster. 4C BTL doesn't even run the black cards in that besides 1 Decay in the board or some shit. Like nigger this list is AWFUL.

>>54205752
>smallpox

Welp, I know what I'm going to build now.

>>54224592
I've seen much better Jundshift lists, this one in particular seems hamfisted, the 4 push 4 terminate 4 decay does not seem optimal, and a playset of dark pet is way too many

It's decent over blue, they play a lot differently. Blueshift maintains tempo while building up to a lethal shift, Jundshift just fucks your hand and creatures up, then jams the superior beater of Sakura in favor of your typical outdated Goyfs.

>>54223903
There are many, what's your favorite playstyle?

>>54214528
That doesn't do anything about turn 6 wurmcoil, turn 7 karn. Tron forces any deck that isn't about beating face before turn 5 out of the format.

>>54224817
I like aggressive decks, but I'm partial to combos.
Right now I'm a big fan of my Meren deck which is more midrange I suppose.

>>54225278
Dude just run 15 cards dedicated to tron in the SB lmao. Who cares if the LD in modern is garbage? You DO want to beat Tron right? You guys just need to man up and start packing answers to Tron, it's not a very hard deck to beat.

>>54225288
The two best aggressive decks in modern are burn and affinity, burn has the advantage of being the cheaper option which is also capable to start getting you wins while you're building it in a budget from mono red to boros, naya or mardu, if that's your thing.

Dredge and living end are very aggressive graveyard based decks, but I find them pretty boring, there's also company elves, but it's generally a turn slower than the rest of those I mentioned.

The new hot combo which is an updated version of the same old deck is Counters Company, if you're playing against a non or low interactive deck you can get t3 wins in okayish hands.

>>54220046
>well when I place extremely specific conditions on my normally suboptimal play it becomes acceptable!

>>54225727
Burn sounds good, should I start with something like this?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/361505

>>54221807
>the girls this loser on the internet thinks are "hot" are less attractive than the supermodels begging to get into my private mansion parties
patheitc

>>54225844
I started out with that exact deck and worked up to naya burn.
It's not that great, since it's missing goblin guides, swiftspears, and eidolon, and has a 3cmc burn spell; but it will get wins. A better budget creature base is swiftspears and both elementals.

>>54226037
Okay, thanks pal!

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Running 5c elementals because I'm a theme loving fuck. Should I run pic related over bannerets to haste my soulstokers on turn 3?

>>54227503
You should go away

>>54227715
Pass.

Are there any HOU cards that stick out for modern?

>>54227739
Untap lands, draw, play Urza's Tower, tap three for Karn, +4, pass.

>>54227503
This is the modern thread.

>>54227758
Creature of Worlds, but that's ultimately just going to be a budget version of the original.

>>54227787
His deck is modern legal.

What you mean to post is that "this is the $$$$$$COMPETITIVE MODERN GENERAL$$$$$$, except that's not in the topic bar so you can't.

>>54227787
So I can't brew modern tribal shit here now? This isn't tiered modern general.

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>Protean Hulk spiked in April

I want to shit brew

>>54227815
But that deck is hot garbage. We want to at least keep a semblance of competition

>>54227901
>we

>>54227907
See how many positive replies your meme deck is getting? It's because we don't care about that

>>54227934
>we

I never authorized you to speak for me.

>>54227824
>modern player complaining about a $10 card

>>54227944
I'll do whatever I want you little beta

>>54227965
You don't put money into a shit brew, anon.

>>54227503
>>54227990
Wow, I should make a single post asking about a themed deck in every thread just to trigger this cunt.

>>54227990
>peacocking alpha as fuck pon a magic the gathering internet forum
rofling mao

>>54228011
Maybe you should have picked it up for your shitbrew before it got unbanned then.

>>54228020
Just post custom cards. It's far less labour-intensive, and you can kill new generals by posting one in the OP.

>>54228040
Eh, that's no fun. At least my way I might get some tips for my shitty brews.

>>54228031
Hulk was never banned?

>>54228058
It was in EDH until April, why do you think the price suddenly spiked?

>>54228071
That explains it. I had checked goldfish and channel fireball for any budget decks including it in April and found nothing.

>>54228021
>>54228020
>acting like a little bitch
>anywhere

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>playing
Worst Tron
>hating
Merfolk, DS
>jank
this whole deck is fucking jank

>>54227824
Bubble Hulk Players are the most powerful race on Earth.

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Did I pre-release well /tg/

>>54228358
Better than me. I pulled Nicol Bolas but that's it. Even the packs I won had nothing good.

Traded the Bolas for a fetch and some niche edh foils, hope he doesn't spike to $40 and I regret it.

>>54228358
>unreadable meme cards
>2 other cards that will never see serious play in modern
at least you can sell them
seriously though, nice pulls

>>54228396
Nicol Bolas seams powerful, but I feel like when walkers get that big and difficult to cast they should probably have some form of wrath ability

Not sure how much play he'll see in standard

>>54228238
>animosityposting on a magic the gathering internet forum
no longer rofling mao, thems bad beatz

>>54228445
Nobody laughs at me

>>54228455
I mean, I do do a little snort giggle every time you post desu. You're just trying so hard to be a big man when nobody cares

>>54228294
Drop sundering titan for blue gearhulk and never look back

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>>54228560
Very tempting to remand or thirst on a stick, but I really love how much the big guy fucks up a board.

>Playing?
Proxy Eldrazi Tron

>Hating?
Affinity.

>Jank?
All of them

I started playing 3 months ago, I play mono black zombies in standard but work schedule is going to force me to play modern, I'm proxying a few decks to figure out what I like.

Fuck Eldrazi Tron, it's not even fun to play.

>>54228664
But truthfully, he doesn't. The land bases in modern play around it pretty well. Plus you're thinking small time. Its not remand on a stick, its fucking cyclonic rift on a stick.

>>54228699
I was under the impression you couldn't pay alternate costs with Torrential?

>>54228731
I believe that's a general rule for alternate costs and casting without paying a mana cost.

>>54228731
My b, I actually thought I had figured it out a few months ago that it was possible because of some technicality in overload but I can't actually find anything to back that up. I retract my previous statement then

>>54228777
Checked
And yeah you made me look up the rules to make sure. Thank you for actually giving recommendations instead of making fun of my grainy phone camera though.

>>54200047
>You will never ever afford Modern
>If you do it'll probably be some deck you don't really like
End me bros. I gave up on Legacy and EDH only is so much.

>>54228816
Fuck off poorfag

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>>54228816
>You will never ever afford Modern
>I gave up on Legacy

>>54228455
>>54228475
>mfw lmaoing @ (You)

>>54228816
Time for pauper you poorfag

if i wanted to play mtg online, what would the best client be?

>>54229079
I only know of the official one and cockatrice.

>>54228804
I love utron, its truly the choice of a true patrician. I can't tell from the 240p but do you run o stone or any chalices?

>>54229079
xmage does a damn good job once you figure out the ui. It's got its quirks but it does the job. It's pretty easy to port a deck from tappedout in two steps

>>54229151
I run an OStone, and chalices are the next thing i need to upgrade for this deck, something actually useful to replace the talismans

>>54229188
Same here, chalices are just a little much of an investment for me. If you ever get a chance to play a FFA game use this deck. It's pretty fun to use mindslaver to two birds with one stone

>>54229079
Other option is cockatrice which is what I've always played. I still prefer it to xmage even though it doesn't have automated rules. Cockatrice is nice because you can play super quick and you're opponent will usually let a few fuck ups pass. Also it doesn't have any splash launcher or try hard UI

>>54211732
modern becomes a 4 color format with red being easily the strongest so no

>>54229414

>try hard ui

I fail to see the problem here.

Help me sculpt a Modern sideboard, friends. My deck is Esper goodstuff. Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Serum Visions, Snaps, Bobs, Lingering Souls, Tasigurs, Rune Snags, Paths, Push. The kind of shit you'd expect. The mainboard is a grindy midrange deck that just wants to out-value people. Here's my board right now:

>1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Aka Betterblossom. He's an absolute monster against other midrange decks like GDS because he ticks up while protecting you and gaining life, then his ultimate basically wins the game on the spot after a few easy turns.
>2 Meddling Mage
These honestly feel like they don't belong. I kinda just put them in there because I had them. I'm scared of combo decks and Tron so the ability to name Ad Nauseam, Bring to Light, Scapeshift, or Karn is nice. But it just dies so easily that it feels like a liability.
>3 Spell Queller
Excellent card against so many decks. Burn crumbles like a bitch to this thing, GDS struggles against it because it can't be killed by a Kommand or unrevolted Push.
>1 Nihil Spellbomb
Needs no justification.
>1 Rest in Peace
Needs no justification
>1 Dispel
Shores up the Burn matchup, helps out against Ad Nauseam too, helps out against blue decks.
>1 Spell Snare
I really can't tell if this thing is any good in Modern right now since Tarmogoyf took a downturn.
>3 Geist of Saint Traft
Like Spell Queller, this thing is a fucking monster when it does its job, which here is slaying combo decks by putting on a stupid fast clock they can't interact with. I've tested this against 4c BTL and the only thing he could do is grab his one Anger, but that requires me to not be ass fucking his hand.
>1 Runed Halo
Love this card. I struggle against combo decks so naming Valakut, Grapeshot, Goblin tokens, and Lightning Storm is super good. If a card feels dead in a matchup I can even just name a creature on the ground. I've won games by naming Eidolon of the Great Revel before.
>1 Ceremonious Rejection
Needs no justification.

>>54228358

>Invocation Doomsday
>Bolas

Yeah, pretty fucking good. You'll get a lot of money for that doomsday from some EDH turboautist

>>54230374

>Sorin
Pretty good, not only for GDS but for grindier matchups too

>Meddling Mage
Yeah, it's fragile. More a tempo card than anything else, maybe just get more runed halos if you are having trouble from combos or just nevermores

>Spell Snare
It's still good. Unconditional counterspell against Goryo's, creature jace, collective brutality, etc. Maybe it's not good in the mainboard, but it's a good sideboard card to have, I'd even get one more.

>Geist
Maybe 3 is overkill, but yeah, fine card

>>54230855
I honestly don't feel like 3 Geists is overkill. The deck can't kill people quickly with big dudes like GDS can. I've gone:

-1 Spell Snare
-2 Meddling Mage

+1 Spell Queller
+1 Ceremonious Rejection
+1 Runed Halo

>>54228816
Just fucking play Naya Burn my dude, A week working at Mcdonalds is enough to buy the whole deck

>>54230925

You have quite a number of ways to dig for him (bob, serum visions), and it being legendary you probably don't want more than 2, one in your hand and one in the field, but if you feel comfortable with 3 then good

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What is happening. Where is midrange going.

>>54231610
Why would you play GBx when you cold play UBx?

>>54231610
>UW going up

Has memes gone to far?

>>54231619
I like Lingering Souls, Traverse the Ulvenwald and Abrupt Decay

>>54231610
Why is Humans rising?
Why is Smallpox?

>>54232119

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