Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>54195189
>what does your character do to entertain the rest of the party?

Gets drunk and flirts with the martials

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>>54195189
>No John, you are the mechanical monsters
Ended up with the Promethean Corruption slowly turning my guy into a steampunk cybernetic abomination. Actually kind of fun to RP the loss of humanity.

I want to hug Fennec anon!

>>54195189
He tells sailor stories

How low must be your Str be to consider Crossbows over Bows?

>>54195281
idk dude 10?

How do i build a character with a mantis shrimp motif (prismatic powers and supersonic punches)

Are the novels worth reading?

>>54195355
Vital strike and crit abuse?
Eflux steelfist?

>>54195189
C1: tells old myths of his people.

C2: Gets drunk and asks personal questions. Teases the fighter with the skald.

C3: drunken magic tricks.

>>54195372
I was thinking more like a strength-based build that can use the shockwaves of punches as ranged attacks

I say that longbows should require an exotic feat.

Question how the fuck did the DDS folks think this was balanced:
Gyroscopic Totem (totem)

You must spend a spell point to create a gyroscopic totem. Gravitational fluctuation keep enemies within this totem unbalanced while they remain within. An unbalanced creature moves with less grace and agility than normal. They can still move, but entering squares draws attacks of opportunity as if they had left the square, and the creature can not take 5-ft. steps.

In addition, at the end of any movement with a total distance greater than 5 ft., the creature must make a Reflex save or fall prone. If the creature has more than 2 legs, it gains a +1 bonus to this saving throw for each additional leg, and creatures that are flying, crawling, swimming, or burrowing are unaffected, as are creatures that are not affected by gravity, such as incorporeal creatures. Teleporting creatures do not draw attacks of opportunity because of this totem.

>>54195418
Sounds 3pp. Mithral Current.

>>54195418
Body pact avowed with pulse refluff?

>>54195438
That sounds fun as fuck to use with an AoO reach gish build

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Have you followed John Wick's advice to PM THEM yet?

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>>54195471
I gave up on having a THEM a long time ago.

>>54195471
I PM all of them at least semi-regularly.

>>54195281
>>54195334
Personally, I'd say bows only really start to outshine crossbows at +2 Str and higher.

Everyone in the party equipped with halberds, yes or no?

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Who will be the first to Ba(i)nepost in Iron Gods?

>>54195471
Words to live by, Baba Yaga.

>>54195521
I am a big fan of everyone having a reach weapon, a ranged weapon, and a dagger or 4. A spare mace/sword would not hurt either.

>>54195523
A big guy
duh

Would a Cossack know about military tactics beyond raiding, guerrilla, unorthodox and irregular stuff? Would working alongside mercenaries allow him to learn standard tactics besides his thin?

Potentially contentious opinion: Remove Disease should be a Necromancy spell, not conjuration, even if the people in the world of Golarion wouldn't understand why since they have no concept of germs.

What's your character nickname? Do NPC give nicknames to your characters and your party?

>>54195747
Well you see, a nickname is usually shorter

>>54195735
I suppose it depends on how you're going about it. If the spell is killing the disease, then Necromancy yeah. If it's bolstering the immune system to fend it off, conjuration would be the ticket.

Unless of course you're of the opinion that healing should be under necromancy like it was back in ye olde days.

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>>54195747
Usually one of the following

>>54195747

"Johnny Moneybags"

>>54195758
It's an Instantaneous spell, so even if the logic was that it was boosting the Immune system I doubt that it would make it so that your system's white blood cells attacked every pathogen in you at once, it's killing the disease in an instant with the magic.

>>54195798
Also true. And if I recall, Remove Disease doesn't interact with the subject's fortitude at all, just a check vs the disease's DC.

So it's just magic vs disease, so necromancy, yeah.

>>54195780
>no Vick Lagina
Come on, man.

Should all characters start at lvl 1?

>>54195836
There is a character limit! Gosh

>>54195471
I PM them whenever I can a) think of something to say, b) not feel like I'm bothering them, and c) not feel like I'm embarrassing myself.

So not as often as I'd like.
But I still do. They're wonderful.

>>54195864
Absolutely not.

>>54195864
Members of the same party should start at roughly the same level.

>>54195883

What about new additions?

>>54195905
The exact same level as everyone else.

>>54195747
Half-Giant's been called Big Red by one party member, since he's like, 8 feet tall and has red hair and armor. He's called Runt by the shortest member of the party.

Punchgirl was called Slabwoman by a cranky mage because she's very muscular. Was also called Little Red because she has red hair and she's much smaller than Big Red is. She joined after he retired.

We don't get many nicknames from NPCs, though we have a few amongst ourselves.

>>54195905
At the current level of the existing party.

Fuck me, my app's sandwiched between Kawase and Wubu. May as well withdraw now.

>>54195975
Who the fuck is Wubu?

>>54195975
Why would you care

>>54196009
Any excuse to namedrop.

What would be the most common trade goods? Which ones would make you more money?

>>54195975
>my app is sandwiched between literally who 1 and literally who 2

>>54196056
PF is not really set up to do that. It would take a bit of DM fiat and possibly some homebrewing to make it work.

Your best bet would be something like bringing silks to the cold north and bringing furs/gems/precious metals from mountains to the coast. Or food to hungry people.

You might even scrape the whole thing and just make magic items to sell.

>>54195975
Kawase's app is another one of his trademark character steals with little regard for what other party members might be.
Don't worry about it man

>>54196147
wait what a character steal?

>>54195189
Mine would get drunk and tell silly stories like how he lost his virginity with his half-orc girlfriend

>>54196157
He outright yoinked a character from Overlord
Even left her real name in her backstory, for god's sake

>>54196056

>Velvet
>Spice.
>Tools.
>Oil.
>Wool Cloth.
>Salt.
>Iron.
>Wine.
>Linen.
>Dyes.
>Leather.

Probably in that order of more expensive to less.

>>54196215
Wow really

Thats fucking pathetic.

>>54196073
>>Chink and fuckslut thread never shuts up about
>>literally who 1 and literally who 2

I see you're new.

>>54196215
What's her real name?

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>>54196220
What about Cashmere (pic related)?

>>54196255
No really these people don't matter

>>54196270
CZ.
Android battlemaid from Overlord

>>54196311
Oh, upon looking up, he slightly altered it.
The original is CZ2128 Delta, his DONUT STEEL is CZ2127 type-Beta

>>54196311
>>54196325

No wonder it's detailed so heavily, it's just a rip off

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>>54196297
But aren't they lewd? That's what matters for celeb status.

>>54196325
>its basically a recolor

amazing

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>>54196336
Didn't he get into Journey to the Wist (sorry, West) with a ripoff of Raymoo?

>>54196346
No, they're literal nobodies, Kawase is known for being a piece of shit and Wubu just runs blingmaker

>>54196364
That's fucking right.
How many times has that chink fucker pulled this off?

>>54196364

Yeah but Argentum is a touhou fag

>>54196220

Then you have. Hemp, Beer, Pottery, Dried Meat, Flour, Fish, Bread.

>>54196364
LINGMENG WAS A 100% ORIGINAL DONUT STEEL

>>54196376
>>54196392
>>54196412
who was C3 a ripoff of.

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>>54196356
He can't help it, he's Chinese.

>>54196452
He was constantly rambling about some grey hamsters, dunno otherwise.

>>54196452
Post the link to the lfg?

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>>54196461
Will pic related be his starfinder character?

>>54196291
Source?

I have an important question for you, /pfg/.
Out of games still accepting applications, which elf is the most bulliable?

What kind of classes are suitable for elves? We have a Dwarf Paladin, a Nagajji fighter, a Human Fighter, Human Cleric, Dwarf Berserk, Halfling Wizard.

What class would be appropriate for a character that dreams of being the first dwarven astronaut?

>>54196543
Magus, whatever int-casters, random roguish shit like Slayer.

>>54196452
Best I can tell, nobody. Mehetabel, Brynhildr, and Ecaterina weren't copies of anything either, though Mehetabel and Brynhildr used art that people might recognize.

>>54196311
I actually started well enough but then it started veering into OL territory. It probably didn't help that I was reading Overlord IX at the time.

>>54196501
Be honest, that would be funny.

>>54196412
I made it pretty explicit she wasn't original, like at all. I'm making it pretty explicit CZ isn't original either.

>>54196558
UC Gunslinger maybe, snice they're more like an Engineer class than gunslinger, and would be relatively effective in general. There's a Stargazer trait in Iron Gods too.

>>54196536
Does Darkstar count?

>>54196543
Ranger, Druid, Arcane caster, Hunter all mesh well

>>54196571
I don't believe you.

>>54196369
That's like saying Sleep just runs Overlewd or Protag just runs Ensoulment.

>>54196572
>weird abomination with magic tails
Eh, she partially counts.

>>54196591
but sleep is also in like, other games that matter.

Protag doesn't just run ensoulment, he also gives app feedback

>>54196602
He gave really threadbare reviews for Ensoulment proper though

>>54196364
Wist is the final boss
It will be Journey to the Wist

>>54196608
Probably the usual GM thing of not wanting to act biased. I mean, of course they've already chosen their apps weeks in advance, but they don't want to look like a shitter, so they try to tiptoe around what they really think of an app.

>>54196608
Nah, protag isn't disk, protag gives them on request in the discord n shit

>>54196571
>snice they're more like an Engineer class than gunslinger,
Really, I feel like this sort of thing would have served the gunslinger a lot better than shitty grit and deeds back when Ultimate Combat came out. a character that can mod up equipment in nonmagical ways would have been a great support thing while still being personally capable.

I think that's why i'm so excited for the Mechanic and soldier in Starfinder. they both seem to be what gunslinger should have been from the beginning.

>>54196336
Also the only thing I really "stole" was the art and the build, and even then it's like a mix of Narb and CZ. I mean, emotionless bot isn't really original or unique at all, and Eclair is like an easter egg.

>>54196627
>>54196642
I'd say Protag is an okay sort, he wouldn't do that. And by threadbare I mean that he generally tried to, from what I'm seeing in thread and personally, help you express your application better and tell you what bits worked and didn't work with your application in terms of like, tone or something. It wasn't like his other reviews which were hyper detailed and analyzed the character's faults and strengths, which he did for me when I asked after app period closed but not before, so I assume that's what was going on with everyone else too, which is fair - you can't have the DM telling you how to improve your app in a competition, especially considering it's a tone-heavy game so if you miss it then the DM fixing it won't help, you the player wouldn't catch it anyway.

>>54196666
I dunno about Soldier being Gunslinger+, but Mechanic looks really good. I'm pretty sure Gunslinger was going for some weird cowboy thing but that should've been an archetype, since it is literally a [character] archetype. UC Gunslinger is basically Engineer though, one of the things you can grab is a ducking car.

Who's your favorit character for Iron Gods so far, /pfg/?
>Kromas Ironbrand - Robot hating preacher man.
>Conall Cernach - A caring and loving da... erm, big brother.
>Diarmuid Mac Gearailt - Fey powered luddite hippy.
>Leondra Troescu - Wizard with the magic tats.
>Miniel Elerdiir - Psion who doesn't believe in science.
>Semzaya Baine - A big summoner for you
>Portentia Procchus - Sultry sorceress
>Erecura (CZ2127 TYPE-δ) - Suspiciously familiar robo-maid
>Kazulki - Space man from the planet 9.
>Luthaya - Genie slut with her powers stolen.

>>54196780
thank god, the urge to self-shill was getting hard to resist.

>>54196780
>>Erecura (CZ2127 TYPE-δ) - Suspiciously familiar robo-maid
ORIGINAL CONTENT DONUT STEEL

>>54196780
I want to dominate, tease, and lovingly fuck Luthaya

>>54196780
I like Diarmuid's art

If you decide that Elves in your setting are more fey-like, seemingly capricious, playfully creepy and all of that, how should Dwarves be played?

>>54196855
Cursed by the gods for their vanity and greed, forced to toil for all eternity mostly below ground but above as well.

>>54196780
>Diarmuid Mac Gearailt
Ackshully iz Cu

>>54196876
I found that kinda funny, the name Diarmuid used right underneath the Cu art.

>>54196780
>tfw noone will ever mention my character, just like in all other pfg games, because I suck at making memeworthy characters

>>54196888
If-I-Died-From-A-Scratch-Like-This-I-Wouldn't-Be-A-Hero

>>54196895
E luck fucking hurts so bad anon
Why can't the Ulsters ever win?

>>54196855
Meat golems made by uncaring deities, whom they bricked up in the depths of the earth for being faghats. Generally happy to work at making things, most don't particularly care WHAT they make as long as it's big and impressive. Strict hierarchy, with a council at the top so they can convince themselves they're taking orders from someone. Obsessively create public works.

So gonna do a Stone age campaign that turns into starfinder once it comes out due to plot reasons. Time fuckery and what not. Is this a bad idea?

>>54196919
What about big vladdie and fucking Karna

>>54196948
Being a lancer is hell, anon.
Fucking silver-spoon-in-ass looking saber and archer bastards.

How long can Merfolk stay away from water? Are they just completely amphibious?

What mounts are worth the effort to adquiere them and to put points in riding?

>>54195189
Plays her samisen, sometimes plays dice games. She always makes coffee and tea.

>>54195418
Dragon Style cumlinates in a conical shockwave attack a la Dragon's Roar that inflicts their hand-to-hand damage. Combine with Vital Strike and unchained monk for maximum sonic bash. Dragon Style also inflicts lots of extra strength bonus damage.

>>54195557
This,

>>54195735
Miracles are conjuration, and healing of any sort is usually divine intervention, and therefore miraculous, ergo, conjuration.

>>54196876
But I like the name Diarmuid better and making a dual spear weilder is hard and the guy above me stole my cu shit

>>54197049
SABER DIARMUID

>>54195471
I told the person I loved how I felt. It's what set my life in a downward spiral into disaster. I owed it to myself to keep my feelings inside because I opened pandora's box letting them out.

>>54197055
DON'T FUCKING HURT ME LIKE THIS ANON

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>>54196895
legit my favorite fate

would be such a pain in the ass to build in a real game.

>>54196780

One of the most frustrating aspects of Iron Gods is making characters knowing that the tech items are all garbage

>>54197074
>>54197049
>>54196895
I'm making a Scatty for Iron Gods
Be ready, anons

>>54197193
Will she bully Diarmuid

>>54197227
Scatty is both a masterful bully and great for bully at the same time

>>54197074
Did this guy chuck a Bestow Greater Curse at everyone there?

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Speaking of Fate memes, which PF class is best for playing a "Battle Continuation" type character. Basically someone who will keep fighting tooth and nail and won't drop dead until the fight ends.

Paladin feels like an obvious choice because of LoH, but what other ones are there?

>>54197296
No, he was just verbally cursing them all out after he was forced to kill himself.

>>54197309
What level?

>>54197309
Berserker, die hard feat shit, i dunno.

>>54195864
If you are first starting playing the system or want to play a high-risk sort of setting, yes.

Otherwise, hell no. When it comes down to it, I don't have time to level up. Unless it's fast XP, I'd prefer a higher start.

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Mods are asleep
post dices right now

Does any anon have that picture of the half-orc Geisha? What book was she in, anyways?

>>54197339
Dats some gud dice anon.

Some are a bit plain, but not enough people place emphasis on readability. I think the only set I don't like for that reason is the white-gold in the tenth row.

>>54196689
>I'd say Protag is an okay sort

I want to carry his children

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Char Sheet from folio

>>54197477
Why is there so many slots for magic items when Owen confirmed you can only wear 2 at a time?

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>>54195189
Anyone have the Interface Zero 2.0 pdf?

>>54197496
check the pastebin

>>54197493
For descriptive text and abilities of said items, anon.

How can Bladed Dash not reasonably be a Bloodrager spell? What the hell?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/bladed-dash/

>>54197734
Doesn't need it.

>>54197493
Wearing=/=owning anon.

>>54197734
Because bladed dash is what you cast when you want to attack on the way to something. It's better for a magus or a bard, who are more likely to be Dexfagging and want to keep away from big beefy monsters that can slice off half their hit points.

Bloodragers cast bladed dash by charging into melee and staying there, because by and large they're going to have heavier armor, more hit points, and will do more damage on average on account of being Strfags with big two-handed weapons.

>>54197790
>>54197898
Sounds like pretty poor excuses desu. It's like saying that rangers shouldn't have spells that deals with animals because they have handle animal as a skill anyway, and can deal with things that way.

Also, a Bloodrager should definitely be able to do dexfagging, especially with archetypes, just like a barbarian or fighter or anyone, really, desu.

>>54197898
>Dexfagging and want to keep away from big beefy monsters that can slice off half their hit points.

Wait...how does focusing on dex make you have less HP? Str doesn't add to HP either and dex actually means you have higher defences than strength.

>>54198079
...

Nah man just

they don't need it.

>>54198087
Dexfagging is easier for Maguses, and they have a smaller Hit Die. Bloodragers get Strength and Constitution boosts and have a larger Hit Die, so they can tank a hit, and they have lower AC anyway due to rage mechanics, so they're going to get hit anyway.

This is all right there in black and white if you actually read any of the rules regarding those classes.

>>54198110

Greater Bladed Dash at level 4 would have really helped them. Let them carve through a whole series of mooks.

>>54198119

Mind you, that con boost is pretty shit and you don't want to have to use those HP. They are not lost first like temp HP so you could just drop dead when you stop raging.

>>54198125
... But they have pounce at that level.

>>54198125
Honestly though, unless it's an encounter with lots of adds, a game's hardly ever going to have "mooks." It just bogs the game down too much, so most GMs aren't going to run a fight that complicated.

>>54197734
>>54198079
No idea, should be Bloodrager 1 (and Bloodrager 4 for Greater Bladed Dash) since it's a fitting spell and Bloodragers have less spells.

>>54198144

I meant as a level 4 spell. As most 4th level spellcaster classes get a few spells at a reduced level.

>>54198144
>... But they have pounce at that level.
So? Having access to Bladed Dash wouldn't change that. It would just open up another option.

>>54198157
Yeah, a Bloodrager will ahve pounce before he has access to level 4 spells.

>>54198169
An inferior option.

I have a few weeks empty of games, so I figured I'd try to pad the time in between with /pfg/ lewdgames to remind myself why I spend the time and effort required to herd real players.
Can anyone tell me the books (3rd-party or not) that I need to read in order to cook together a triple-classing gestalt half-aasimar half-tiefling centaur fetish waifu? If you go in, you go all in.

>>54198194
who reads books?

Honestly there's probably tons of Magus and Witch spells that the Bloodrager should probably have had access to (and possibly vice-versa), depending on what type of Bloodrager (or Magus, or Witch) you want to build.

I'm still annoyed that there's no Hex-Caster type Bloodrager, it would fit very well, and the Magus has one.

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>>54198176
>An inferior option.

>>54198206
>hybrid classes
>getting content.

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>>54198194

>>54198176
Yes, I agree, we should reduce all spell lists strictly to the things that are optimized for your particular builds.

>>54198227
would remove the ivory tower problem yeah

>>54198144
>>54198176
Are you referring to Pouncing Fury, the lvl 2 spell?

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What is the lewdest you've ever gone in a non-lewd game and it was still good?

>>54198266
no thats a 3rd party spell you mong

greater beast totem.

>>54198272
I didnt even bring it up. And you know what? It was great!

>>54198176

>Yeah, a Bloodrager will ahve pounce before he has access to level 4 spells.

Yeah but Pounce is good for hitting one dude several times. Greater Bladed Dash is for going through several people. They serve different purposes.

>>54198272

Every female character i've ever played has had no less than H cups and makes frequent mentions of needing to see a tailor everytime they get new armor or magic items.

Its glorious

>>54195471
What the fuck does an immortal know of short lives?

>>54198298
Ok yeah but its better to murder one dude rather than not murder a bunch of dudes

>>54198311

He's seen too many end

>>54198315

And it's even better to murder several dudes than to overkill one dude.

>>54198279
>no thats a 3rd party spell you mong
Pouncing Fury isn't 3rd party, you fucking mongoloid.

>greater beast totem.
>spending feats for your very specific build
>BLOODRAGERS SHOULDN'T HAVE X SPELL BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD SPECIFIC BUILD Y, YOU GET ABILITY Z, WHICH IS CLEARLY SUPERIOR
Please, for all that is good and holy, kill yourself.

>>54198272
My ancient gestalted Rogue+Witch female elf owned a section of mountain range and forest. she was considered to be a goddess by the local tribe of gnolls, and she would protect them and confuse/mislead/murder those who tried to harm her pet tribe. She would bless marriages, births, and cure diseases and heal injured gnolls. It was heavily implied she had a group of young clergy (male and female gnoll youths) among them that she would spend time with during gnoll sleep cycles. None of the other players ever caught her doing anything with them, but they suspected naughty things happening.

She was teaching them witchcraft and skills concerning jewelry and leatherworking.
She only slept with a few of the most shy and gentle of either sex on the very rarest of occasions to give them the confidence to find gnoll mates - after all, being chosen by a goddess will certainly boost one's confidence in oneself.

>>54198326
Ok yeah but realistically by the time you get bladed dash you won't be doing that.

>>54198331
>go to pfsrd to check

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/3rd-party-spells/rite-publishing-3rd-party-spells/p/pouncing-fury/

In my defense, I'm fairly certain this is the SRD's fault, because at the bottom it also lists it as in blood of the beast. I guess its not 3rd party, and the SRD is just shit.

also

>Bloodragers
>having the ability to take extra rage power
>a feat that they cannot take
>because they don't have the rage power class feature
>but they do have the primalist archetype
>PRIMALIST

its like i'm talking with people who have never even read bloodrager before

>>54198315
>>54198326
And it's even better to damage a group of dudes, having the rest of the team come in and help kill them all, than to take out one dude at a time, alone.

It's a party-based game, after all. Arguing against Bloodragers getting Bladed Dash at lvls 1/4 because they could conceivably be built in a particula way to get a specific power that is arguably better in 1v1, and thus should not have Bladed Dash, is probably the dumbest shit I've read in /pfg/ in days.

>>54198357

>Ok yeah but realistically by the time you get bladed dash you won't be doing that.

You've never had the GM put you up against units of enemies? Most games I've been in have plenty of disposable mooks that need wading through.

>>54198371
Actually no thats suboptimal, thats the entire reason why blasting is bad anon. Learn about action economy.

>>54198375
Generally too many mooks bogs down the game too much, most often fights are between roughly equal numbers. I mean yeah I've seen big mookfights but they're really easy to deal with, and really blowing away the mooks shouldn't be the Bloodrager's job.

>>54198357
>a feat that they cannot take
>because they don't have the rage power class feature
Bloodrage expressly counts as the Rage Power Class Feature for the acquisition of feats (among other things).

>Primalist
Which cannot legally be combined with most other archetypes. Seriously, you're arguing entirely based on your own very specific build, which is utterly fucking retarded, and it's also painfully obvious that you haven't taken the time to actually read up on Bloodrager.

I repeat, kindly kill yourself.

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>>54198272

Once played a Shoanti bloodrager who's clan was destroyed, And she vowed to rebuild her clan. but she wouldn't just let people join her clan. The clan had to be family.

So the clan had to start with her. and whatever poor bastard(s) she roped into having kids with her

>>54198392
"Bloodrage (Su)

The bloodrager’s source of internal power grants him the ability to bloodrage.

At 1st level, a bloodrager can bloodrage for a number of rounds per day equal to 4 + his Constitution modifier. At each level after 1st, he can bloodrage for 2 additional rounds per day. Temporary increases to Constitution (such as those gained from bloodraging or spells like bear’s endurance) don’t increase the total number of rounds that a bloodrager can bloodrage per day. The total number of rounds of bloodrage per day is renewed after resting for 8 hours, although these hours need not be consecutive.

A bloodrager can enter a bloodrage as a free action. While in a bloodrage, a bloodrager gains a +4 morale bonus to his Strength and Constitution, as well as a +2 morale bonus on Will saves. In addition, he takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class. The increase to Constitution grants the bloodrager 2 hit points per Hit Die, but these disappear when the bloodrage ends and are not lost first like temporary hit points. While bloodraging, a bloodrager cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.

A bloodrager can end his bloodrage as a free action. When the bloodrage ends, he’s fatigued for a number of rounds equal to twice the number of rounds spent in the bloodrage. A bloodrager cannot enter a new bloodrage while fatigued or exhausted, but can otherwise enter bloodrage multiple times during a single encounter or combat. If a bloodrager falls unconscious, his bloodrage immediately ends, placing him in peril of death.

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian’s rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects."

1. PLEASE READ THE ABILITY. IT LITERALLY DOES NOT COUNT AS RAGE POWERS. IT COUNTS AS RAGE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM RAGE POWERS.

2. >PFS HORSESHITTERY

ayy lmao

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>>54198390
>Generally too many mooks bogs down the game too much, most often fights are between roughly equal numbers.
Now you're not even arguing on mechanical grounds, but on subjective playstyle grounds. It's also common that Primalists are banned. Is that relevant? No.

Also, it doesn't change the fact that you're still arguing that Bloodragers shouldn't have the spell because your particular focus-fire build doesn't need it. It's beyond stupid.

>>54198416
Primalist isn't banned anywhere outside of PFS

and Focus fire is LITERALLY the optimal way of playing

My argument isn't that bladed dash shouldn't be allowed to them, its that even if it WAS allowed to bloodragers, it would be bad.

>>54198390
>Learn about action economy.
>I'm a powergamer and therefore no fun should be allowed

I bet you're the kind of faggot that actually get upset when other players don't build to your specifications and just want to try fun shit out or roleplay, because "it hurts the team", and you'll whine incessantly about "having to" be a dedicated healer because nobody else wanted to be one either.

>>54198424
>Stormwind fallacy
Nice try idiot

I'm simply describing very, very base level optimization, you can build like shit however much you want senpai, don't fucking whine when my build blows yours out of the water.

>Implying I can't try out fun shit and make it actually good because of my superior game knowledge.

>Implying role playing can't be done alongside optimization, or that optimization somehow inhibits role playing.

Literally the stormwind fallacy.

also
>Dedicated healer

Its called a 'wand of cure light wounds', nobody needs to play a dedicated healer in Pathfinder. Ever. Dedicated healer is not a thing in Pathfinder, much like 'Tank' isn't a thing.

>>54198420
>Primalist isn't banned anywhere outside of PFS
lmao

>my games are the only games
You really are that autistic, aren't you?

>even if it WAS allowed to bloodragers, it would be bad.
How, outside of your particular favourite optimized build based on the idea that overkilling single targets are better than to do damage to multiple mooks as a team?

Oh, right, a big fat nothing.

>>54198398

how far did she get?

>>54198465
>lmao
nice argument dude
>my games are the only games
I've literally never seen primalist banned in ANY of the /pfg/ games, which there's been like, what, nearly 50 of?
>YOUR FAVORITE OPTIMIZED
actually no, the objectively best action one can take in combat is to incapacitate an enemy, this brings the action economy more and more into your favor, the more enemies you get rid of, the better. Greater bladed dash would do very little for a bloodrager, because wiping out scores of mooks isn't really their job, and anything they can kill with just their full attack the wizard can just fireball and get rid of MANY MORE in the same action.

This is not complex, high level gameplay, this is the base level of strategy needed to overcome challenging encounters on a regular basis.

>>54198401
>being *this* retarded
WEW lad.

>>54198446
>Literally the stormwind fallacy.
You use that term but you clearly don't know what it means. Google it, and be enlightened. If you aren't too retarded to grasp it.

>Its called a 'wand of cure light wounds
Hahaha, yeah, we know, you're an powergaming optimizer and everyone has to play the game exactly like you, or else they're being suboptimal drags on the team. Literally kill yourself. No joke.

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>>54198502
You made exactly zero arguments in this post. \

But Bloodrage (and by extension rage), are not the same thing as the Rage Powers class feature, which is exclusive to the Barbarian.

>>54198470

Eight kids, three husbands. all of them hirelings.

>>54198502
"The Stormwind Fallacy, aka the Roleplayer vs Rollplayer Fallacy: Just because one optimizes his characters mechanically does not mean that they cannot also roleplay, and vice versa.

Corollary: Doing one in a game does not preclude, nor infringe upon, the ability to do the other in the same game.

Generalization 1: One is not automatically a worse roleplayer if he optimizes, and vice versa.
Generalization 2: A non-optimized character is not automatically roleplayed better than an optimized one, and vice versa."

you literally used the stormwind fallacy dude, not sure what to tell you.

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>>54198446
>Stormwind fallacy
>The Stormwind Fallacy, aka the Roleplayer vs Rollplayer Fallacy Just because one optimizes his characters mechanically does not mean that they cannot also roleplay, and vice versa.
>Corollary: Doing one in a game does not preclude, nor infringe upon, the ability to do the other in the same game.
>Generalization 1: One is not automatically a worse roleplayer if he optimizes, and vice versa. Generalization 2: A non-optimized character is not automatically roleplayed better than an optimized one, and vice versa.
The key words here are "automatically" and "cannot". If you're going to call up the Stormwind fallacy, you should take care to learn what it actually is, not just bring it up at the drop of a hat when people call you out on badwrongfun.jpg when they're not doing your particular optimized build, independent of roleplaying.

>>54198540
But he literally argued that. He argued that because i'm a 'powergaming faggot, i cannot roleplay'

Right here

>I bet you're the kind of faggot that actually get upset when other players don't build to your specifications and just want to try fun shit out or roleplay,

I'm not sure what to say, his implication here is that I, as someone with system mastery, cannot roleplay.

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>>54195189

Tell me about your Homebrew Setting /pfg/!!

>>54198549
Unfortunately, you do sound like a faggot, and your condescending, "I know best" attitude usually comes packaged with the inability to roleplay something more than a thug, much less offer justification for a very eclectic mix of at times conflicting skills and abilities.
I'm not gonna say you can't roleplay, but on the internet, you can say you are a lot of things, that doesn't make them true, or make me dim enough to believe them on your word alone.

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>>54198272

once had a girl get stuck crawling through a relatively large hole. The party had to grease her up to get her through.


Fun times.

>>54198588
Sorry, when people literally cannot read 'extra rage power' and see the prerequisite is the 'rage powers class feature' and read bloodrager and don't see the 'rage power' class feature anywhere, and then say you can take extra rage power feat, I assume that they must have some sort of learning disorder, or be literally fucking retarded

>>54198568
It has a lich who lives inside a paradox, the god of love is so petty that he stretched a man's wiener around a mountain as punishment for allegedly fucking more people than the god had, churches muscle into each other all the time and nobody likes the elves for burning the single largest forest in the world.

>>54198568
I don't think I can derail this conversation even with PLD lore.

What became if that purgatory campaign from yesterday though? Anyone snatch it up?

>>54198516
>But Bloodrage (and by extension rage), are not the same thing as the Rage Powers class feature, which is exclusive to the Barbarian.
It's funny, because either the Primalist or the base Bloodrager is fucked up, then, because the Primalist expressly dictates that Primalist in itself does not count as Rage, but the Bloodrager gets counts-as Rage from the Bloodrage feature.

Either they fucked up Primalist, and meant that it does not count as Rage Power, or they fucked up Bloodrage. And either way, it's obvious that Paizo themselves have conflated the terms. The RAI is entirely debatable, but I believe the intent is that Rage and Rage Powers are interchangeable terms in this. This is some FAQ-worthy material, honestly.

And either way, you're still retarded for basing your entire argument on your one Primalist build, and not taking any other potential builds, whether we're talking other ways to optimize (i.e. "How can we make the most of Bladed Dash?") or just things that are fun or thematic ("I want to build a dex-based Bloodrager that zips in and out of combat with Bladed Dash, possibly with the Shadow bloodline, fluffed as popping in and out of shadows.")

>>54196572
But Darkstar isn't bulliable, only Leona is.

>>54198649
No, Primalist is correct, even taking the primalist archetype doesn't entitle you to taking the extra rage power feat.

Bloodrage/rage are NOT interchangeable with the rage power class feature, in fact barbarians cannot take the extra rage power feat until after level 2, when they gain their first rage power.

Paizo never conflated the term. If you can point where, pease point it out. Because its not in the primalist archetype, which SPECIFICALLY calls out as it not counting as the rage power class feature for feat pre-reqs, which extra rage power requires.

"Primal Choices: At 4th level and every 4 levels thereafter, a primalist can choose to take either his bloodline power or two barbarian rage powers. If the primalist chooses rage powers, those rage powers can be used in conjunction with his bloodrage, and his bloodrager level acts as his barbarian level when determining the effect of those bloodrage powers and any prerequisites. Any other prerequisites for a rage power must be met before a primalist can choose it. This ability does not count as the rage power class feature for determining feat prerequisites and other requirements."

The only one conflating the term is -you-, incorrectly. Fuck off retard learn to read.

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>>54198309

That's just standard design choices. The man in question asked for LEWD.

>>54198526
Except I didn't. I didn't say that it was impossible to make optimized characters fit for roleplaying. I said you're retarded because you're assuming that everyone wants to play the way you do.

I'm sure your particular and very specific character is all well and good, but it doesn't mean that everyone wants to play exactly that, or that anything else is badwrongfun, or even that it's under-optimized. Most optimization efforts are within a theme - but you completely disregard the themes are irrelevant because they're not optimized.

The Stormwind fallacy even clarifies that it has nothing to do with situations where this happens; it merely deals with the fallacy of assuming that optimization and roleplaying is AUTOMATICALLY mutually exclusive by the very nature of the two concepts.

The fact that you don't understand this, and carry the Stormwind Fallacy as some kind of shield for your immense faggotry only shows that you've got the average intelligence of a sub-saharan bushman.

>>54198695
But you're ignoring the entire point, its not that my specific build is optimal, its not, its very standard low level optimization.

Its that that very common, simple build, comes on line before the greater bladed dash ever would, and is going to be better and more useful than it, especially with the very limited spell list of Bloodragers.

Should they have it? I don't know, I don't care. My point was that EVEN IF THEY HAD IT, you wouldn't want to use it. You wouldn't even get it until level fucking 13. Because it would be bad. Greater bladed dash is bad. GREATER BLADED DASH IS BAD.

>>54198683
Oh, wait, yeah, sorry, it's true; it clearly states that it does not count as Rage Power. I think the issue here is that "the rage power" can be read in an intuitive and a rules lawyering way, and most read it intuitively, thinking it refers to rage as the rage power. Nevermind.

>>54198743
Yeah, this is a poor choice on Paizo's part, because intuitively you see yourself gaining power from rage, but there's also a class feature closely tied into called 'rage powers' which are entirely separate for the purposes of prerequisites.

However, in this case, the RAW and RAI are as one, which is made pretty explicitly clear by the primalist archetype

>>54198730
I'm not even that guy, but Christ you're only digging yourself deeper.
You're saying the exact same thing as he's accusing you of - that the optimization that you want is "very standard low-level", and that an ability that has both a fluff and a crunch side is just plain "bad".
You are allowed to think it's mechanically bad. However, what goes straight against the very idea of roleplaying is when you proclaim that people should be building their characters in a "standard" way because the other options are "bad".
Play a board game. Better than that, you can type in something on a calculator and press the repeat button until the end of time, watching the pretty good numbers go up while other people create whole characters and worlds.

>>54198759
You're right, bad things are ok. How could I be so foolish, clearly trap options are a great thing to add to a game. Fucking love those trap options. Great fucking game design, good shit, good fucking -shit- right there.

Oh hell yeah, Holy Gun paladin, sure its pure unplayable garbage, BUT THINK ABOUT THE ROLEPLAYING. Sure you could take a 1 level dip in mysterious stranger and paladin the rest of the way, but that's OPTIMIZATION and therefore the fucking boogieman.

How dare I.

Seeing you all rage at each other was fun at first, but now you're boring


Take it outside ladies

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>>54198730
>But you're ignoring the entire point
No, I'm ignoring the fact that you're a faggot that thinks that everyone should be a Primalist just like you, and never anything else, and that sinking multiple Bloodline Powers into getting a very specific totem is something everyone should do, and also that Pounce is inherently and automatically superior to Bladed Dash/Improved Bladed Dash in all circumstances and to all builds (and by "all", you assume "this specific one I favour and think is superior").

>>54198730
>GREATER BLADED DASH IS BAD.
To you and your specific build, yes, because you're a nofunallowed.jpg autist that cannot imagine anything outside of your box.

>>54198759
There is something to be said for what a 'standard' build is. There is a reasonable expectation that to be effective as a character, there are just certain things you take, in the case of the Barbarian and the Bloodrager, if you -don't- get the greater beast totem, you're going to be significantly weaker. Much like a Fighter not using AWT, or how Greatswords/Falchions/Nodachis are the weapons used by like every fucking 2h strength build.

>>54198805
There's no reason to never not be a Primalist though, all it modifies is the bloodline, so its compatible with basically every archetype. Its part of why the archetype is broken. And FYI pounce attacks can be spread between multiple targets, because its a full attack.

>>54198804
No, someone is -wrong- on the internet.

>>54198823
>And FYI pounce attacks can be spread between multiple targets, because its a full attack.

Yeah but you need to be in the same place for the entire full attack. You can't spread it out across the movement.

>>54198854
Yeah, but if you set it up so there's like, 3 enemies adjacent to you at the end of the movement, ez pz.

>>54198783
>Roleplaying games are only about the game and not about the roleplaying, and there is always snarling competition to see who comes out on top, as well as people caring whether or not you "win"
Thank you for the replay.
You are fixating on the game and on the idea that there is something to "win", or even that the rules are something else than ways to represent a game concept at the table.
If your character "wins", no one cares. However, if you see the game as something to win, you'll be undermining people who want to play concepts that aren't thematically shaped by whatever gives the biggest numbers.
It might be a trap option gameplay-wise. I admit that. However, this should not matter to someone who understands that the end goal is to have fun through telling a story, with the dice and numbers being nothing more than a way to represent the setting.
I've played for seven years as a GM of a group that has never even had to touch on optimization, never had to deal with a player feeling his character is obsolete, and in general never had to deal with the so-called problem that you're bringing up that some abilities are just "bad".
It's when shitters like you come in that players are cut off from playing the characters they want in the way they want, because people like you think that the other players are enemies. You start storming forward and smugly taking control of the game as soon as everyone else proves themselves to not be laughably optimized, and then everyone else needs to start making builds they don't like and characters they don't want to play simply to take back some of the game from autists like you.

>>54198540
It's the new term to say "i don't like thing you like" when they don't understand your point now.

>>54198420
Are you the same retard who told someone he couldn't build his world without Outsider (Native) because of the rules even after all outsiders were killed in his world due to plot?

Because you really sound like the same retard who is telling everyone to use the rules your way only because you say so.

>>54198865
What? Where did I go on about winning?

There's nothing wrong with wanting to build a character that does their job WELL.

What the fuck are you even talking about now dude, seriously, you're trying to say i'm some sort of shitty awful player that sees the game as me trying to -win-

I just want to be -effective- at all times, if I played a holy gun, I would not be effective, if i play a paladin with a mysterious stranger dip, I will be effective.

I never said -anyone- else has to conform to my standards of how I play the game, I might suggest them the same concept that works better mechanically (see, aforementioned holy gun vs mysterious stranger dip), but I wouldn't force them to turn that same character into a bolt ace or just a bow paladin.

Seriously, you're assuming far too much about me, you don't know anything about me, you're just a cunt.

I care about this stuff because I -do- worry about other players feeling their characters are obsolete or too weak for the party. Everyone should want to be good at their job in the game. Its part of why the Monk and Rogue were nigh unplayable for so long, they weren't even good at their ONE JOB.

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>>54198783
>trap options
It's not a trap option, though. Just because something could under certain circumstances be inherently more powerful than something else based on a range of assumptions and variables does not make alternatives to it trap options.

Trap options are those options that are practically always bad under most circumstances to which they should be actively contributing.

For example, the fact that you CAN get Pounce with a very specific build of Bloodrager does NOT invalidate the existence and utility of Bladed Dash as an available spell to Bloodragers, such as to ANY OTHER FUCKING BUILD THAT ISN'T YOUR SPECIFIC ONE.

It's not a "trap choice" just because you can make builds where it's superfluous. I can go so far as to say that it's *probably* superfluous to MOST builds, whether we optimize or not, but for many others, it wouldn't be, and I can think of multiple cool things to do with it, even if it's just realizing a samurai that slices his way through people (possibly outside of combat).

>>54198783
>Oh hell yeah, Holy Gun paladin, sure its pure unplayable garbage, BUT THINK ABOUT THE ROLEPLAYING. Sure you could take a 1 level dip in mysterious stranger and paladin the rest of the way, but that's OPTIMIZATION and therefore the fucking boogieman.
Stormwind Fallacy. You're assuming that focusing on the idea of roleplaying is inherently excluding the idea of optimization.

You are literally the only one here that thinks that one excludes the other. The rest of us actually take roleplaying concepts and optimize them. You're just optimizing, regardless of roleplaying.

You are the cancer.

>>54198823
>There's no reason to never not be a Primalist though
>Its part of why the archetype is broken.
But faggot
>>54198420
>Primalist isn't banned anywhere outside of PFS
laughingwhores.jpg

>>54198823
>There's no reason to never not be a Primalist though
Except for, maybe playing things that aren't primalists?

Fuck, you're a monstrous idiot.

>>54198900
>There's no reason to never not be a Primalist though, all it modifies is the bloodline, so its compatible with basically every archetype

Yeah, that there? That's not optimiziation. That's "you're having badwrongfun, stop".

>>54198900
If you don't want people to make wrong assumptions about you, don't give them all the wrong material to work with.
It sounds to me like you're going back on some of the things you said - you were a lot snappier and more judgemental earlier on against people who chose "bad" abilities and "bad" classes, implying you'd interfere in order to make sure they played a "good" or "effective" one even though you're suborning the roleplaying and the player's wishes to pure numbers by doing that.
You could maybe try to not play in groups where everyone is at each other's' throats all the fucking time. As said, I have had seven years of constant gaming with different groups and people, and the only people who get like this are D&D/PF players.
If you never thought about the idea of "being effective" in terms of numbers and kills, and if you put some effort into roleplaying a character you like rather than mangling your own characters and imposing yourself on others' for the sake of numbers, you might actually enjoy a game for once.
It's games with an expectation of all-combat sessions and minmaxing that do this to people. You are playing a roleplaying game in the same way that a drinking game is a drinking game - you only ever play drinking games to get a framework for drinking and make it easier and more fun, not because the drinking game is a blast. Just like that, you play a roleplaying game because the rules give you a framework which you can build characters, settings and adventures on, not because you want to combine numbers.

>>54198549
>because i'm a 'powergaming faggot, i cannot roleplay'
Except I didn't. I said you are that kind of faggot. A very specific kind of faggot. I never argued that the concepts are mutually and automatically exclusive by their own merit.

>I, as someone with system mastery, cannot roleplay.
No, I'm saying you're the kind of faggot that doesn't, and that your "syshtem mashteruh" is bullshit. The fact that you can even say that with a straight face just suggest that you're quite literally as autistic as you sound, and genuinely believe your own horseshit.

Someone got a link to Nodachis of the Righteous and the short list I'm competing with?

>>54198613
>I'm so autistic I cannot comprehend how people could read "rage power" as referencing the "power" called "rage", and mix them up.
kys

>>54198922
What? No my point was how easy it is to optimize and get the EXACT SAME ROLEPLAYING POTENTIAL

That would be the absolute PROOF that the two are not mutually exclusive,

The roleplaying concept is a paladin that uses a gun.

The holy gun vs the mysterious stranger dip accomplish the same roleplaying concept,

the way to optimize it is to take the mysterious stranger dip

I am literally "Taking a roleplaying concept and optimizing it", just as you say.

>>54198938
>>54198951
You lose nothing by being a primalist bloodrager, absolutely nothing. There is not reason to ever not be a primalist.

You could even be a primalist and never change out a bloodline power for a rage power.

>>54198933
Its true, i believe the archetype is a broken piece of bad design, less 'broken' in the OP sense. Though it is that to an extent

However broken it is, its not overpowered to any real extent, not in a game that includes wizards and arcanists.

Realistically a basic fix it would to have it alter the bloodline powers gained at each respective level, this would at least prevent it from archetype stacking with many others.

>>54198962
I've literally never had a group get angry at me for suggesting better builds that accomplish the same exact roleplaying concept. Yes, I think people shouldn't pick trap options, I want to help them not pick trap options

>>54198967
That was your implication

>>54198979
Yes, I know reading is hard. But when so much of the game is in books and text webpages, I'd really expect people to be comprehend what they read, and read things carefully so they understand what they actually do.

>>54198568
It's something I've been working on for a while. It's one mega city the size of a state, that's actually a Petri dish. The gods are experimenters studying the city.

>>54198976
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/80257/wrath-of-the-righteous

What will you be making?

>>54199001
After writing this, I realized that the bloodline powers are actually part of the bloodline class feature, and thus the primalist archetype already functions in this way, there's just very few archetypes that also deal with and replace the bloodline powers.

>>54199034
I already apped, I just didn't have the link on mobile. Thank you

Draft 2 of brevoy merchant girl, the paladin among the mammoth lords, still feels a bit lacking. But my gut hasn't told me how to improve it.

>>54199001
>You lose nothing by being a primalist bloodrager, absolutely nothing. There is not reason to ever not be a primalist.
Sure there is. If you don't use the rage powers option, you don't need to be a primalist at all, and therefore don't need it. Telling someone that it's badwrongfun not to do so just because "you don't have to chose the rage powers but you need to take it anyways because it's OPTIMAL" is hubris, and also, does not work if you don't chose the rage powers at 4th level, because after that you can't enter the archetype at all. If you don't alter the class at that time, then you cannot alter it later because RAW you must take the changes of the archetype at those levels it becomes available: otherwise must retrain the class (which can cost you depending on the retraining rules - if any - that are in play).

Further, taking the primalist archetype changes the flavor of the class, which is important to people who roleplay, as opposed to minmaxing munchkin optimization idiots. The very fact you say "you must take this because it's optimal" is a screaming sign that you don't actually roleplay, because if you roleplayed, the concept of primalist would mean something more than 'optimization' to you, which it does not. A primalist is not the same as a bloodrager.

>>54199001
>I've literally never
First of all, stop expecting people to act as your personal caretakers and stop, tell you to sit down and say with a very loud voice and clear facial expressions "you have done a bad thing that makes me mad". If you honestly think that not being told off for something means you didn't do anything wrong, you are autistic because you do not grasp that people, out of social decency, the misguided assumption that you are a normally functioning person who doesn't need to be talked to like a retard, or of course that they don't want to set off your sperg rage, might not always spell out when you're wrong for you.
Also, you have a pretty stunted idea of roleplaying if you think that "everyone should just play a primalist" is not deciding people's concepts in their place, deciding the right way to play the game and constraining character opportunities in favor of numbers.
Are you uncomprehending of the idea that someone might have a deeper character concept than "paladin who uses a gun"? Again, you prove your autism by expressing character concepts in terms of mechanics and weapons, when a good character can be explained without resorting to what abilities or weapons your stat stick beats numbers up with.
The abilities, themes, settings, restrictions or just flavors of the classes might be different enough that the player simply can't work up the drive to play the character after you've told them how to play it "right" - this happens often, and it happens at the smallest change.
A good character concept that you like to play, though, creates stories for the years and long-running campaigns with plenty of development, while a statblock that's been mangled by some deluded autist creates short, painful games with long pauses and mindless combat sessions.
No matter how mechanically good the character is, playing a character you're not invested in is about as fun as typing in the calculations on a calculator.

>>54199081
I'm not sure how taking primalist alters the flavor of the class, 90% of the time you're trading out a little bit of the sorcerer flavor for a little more barbarian flavor, but throughout the flavor remains that of a mixture of barbarian and sorcerer.

>>54199095
You're moving the goalposts. Realistically a flavorful concept is rarely changed significantly by small mechanical changes that improve it.

Also, yes, I expect people to act like adults around me, if they don't want me to suggest things, they can just say for me not to do it, I don't see why this would be 'telling me off'.

>>54199097
>>54199121
Let me spell it out.
Your character is a person who's made their own decisions and led their own life according to what they had to work with.
Do you honestly think that every single person in every Pathfinder setting ever would understand that "oh, I should just start traveling in this direction to find someone who can teach me to be a primalist, because I sure wanna be optimized"?
You are discounting the character's knowledge, interests, origins and motivations, all things that are instrumental in deciding their classes - and by denying all these things, you're effectively denying roleplaying as a whole.
You're straight-out advocating that all characters should have taken a life-changing decision that they might not be interested, might not be able to take and might not even know is possible because of some numbers in a different universe.
I'm really just past the point of despair at this point. If you want to roleplay, you think up your character and take what's closest to representing your character, warts and all.

I have GM'd for dozens of people from all over the country, and it is exactly like you're denying. In fact, especially flavorful concepts are quickly hamstrung or destroyed by even minute changes, because a flavorful concept is one that depends on a lot of smaller parts to function as a whole. If everything your character is, has done and has decided isn't more important to you than NUMBERS, I don't know what to say.

>>54199097
And that's how we know you don't roleplay.

>While bloodrage powers come from the very essence of a bloodrager’s being and are often strict and immutable, some bloodragers tap into ancient traditions and primitive wisdom to enhance their rages with something more primal.

See this? It's flavortext. Fluff. Meaningless to the numbers and to the builds. But to someone who roleplays, it MEANS something. It means a primalist isn't just some bloodrager who has rage powers in addition to his bloodline powers, It means that this character does strange rituals, uses warpaint, and hearkens back to stranger, older traditions than a bloodrager does. It means that their character does things differently than a bloodrager, and doesn't just use magic to empower himself, but calls on other, nonmagical traditions and skills to empower himself.

It also means that to a roleplayer, taking primalist changes the character concept, and not taking it changes the character concept. To an optimizer it only means more numbers and different crunch.

>>54199153
You can literally refluff shit, m8.
Instead of depending on shit Paizuri writers for fluff, write your own fluff.
It's much more fun that way.

>>54199152
>>54199153
Pathfinder is a thin veneer of roleplaying over a large set of crunching numbers, I'm not sure what you expect. If you don't understand a the math, making complex concepts good, or even playable, will be highly

I'm not denying roleplaying, in fact the rules are diverse enough that almost any concept can work, but you require lots of system mastery to make certain concepts work.

It also appears that the idea of 'refluffing' is alien to both of you. You seem to think that the rules of the game are inherently tied to the fluff of the game, they are not.

The rules are the rules, the fluff is the fluff, and while i don't advocate for extreme refluffing, a small amount is quite easy and acceptable.

It doesn't 'mean' anything, you can refluff anything you want, and thus can come around with a deeper, and stronger character, both mechanically -and- roleplaying wise

I'd rather suggest that the both of you are seeming enamored with Paizo's idea of what Pathfinder is and should be, rather than the reality of what it is.

>>54198900
>wanting to build a character that does their job
What their job as characters is is not up for you to decide desu.

>>54199180
Please, refluff Pounce into Bladed Dash. Faggot.

>>54199229
No, its up to the player of that character, and quite simply, a Rogue is not capable of doing its job in the party, no matter what the Rogue's job is.

>>54199240
>Please, refluff Pounce into Bladed Dash.
Why not?

>>54199180
>>54199209
>you should refluff this class archetype because it makes your character more optimal
and the answer is
>what do you not get about me wanting to build my character in a way that I enjoy as opposed to how you tell me I should because you're fixated on number crunching and optimization
to which your response is
>you're having badwrongfun, stop it

>>54199244
>changing goalposts

>>54199276
You're telling me I'm having badwrongfun too, you realize. That me liking optimization is badwrongfun.

this seems highly hypocritical.

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>>54195189
What is the THICCEST build?

>>54199299
>literal, unironic fat fetishism picture
The answer to your question is your mother.

>>54199290
But I didn't?

Where did I shift the goalposts?

I specifically said in the earlier post that an example of classes that could not do their 'job' in the party would be Rogues and Monks.

Clearly Paizo realized this and agreed with me, given both the Unchained Monk and Unchained Rogue are significant improvements that make both classes much more capable.

>>54199299
A bloatmage.

>>54199299
>fat elf landwhale picture
Absolutely disgusting.

>>54199097
>90% of the time you're trading out a little bit of the sorcerer flavor for a little more barbarian flavor
And many of us don't want to do that, because we actually want the bloodline powers associated with the bloodline we're a part of, fag-anon.There's many different ways to play a Bloodrager, from an arcane knight to a swole meatcaster, to a literal barbarian with magic.

Primalist implies that you're a savage type of barbarian caster, taking totems and shit, nevermind that a lot of groups ban Primalist (which is just as valid of an argument as "my group doesn't have any mooks so why would I want to slice through multiple people?").

>if they don't want me to suggest things, they can just say for me not to do it
I believe that is implied by the fact that you're called out as a retarded faggot that should kill yourself. But autists gonna autist, I guess. I guess it's too subtle for you.

>>54199299

Ungermaw or Scarred Witch Doctor pre errata.

Look, there's only one way to settle this. Isn't there. The power of democracy!
http://www.strawpoll.me/13376548

>>54199310
>>54199327

Ehh, could be worse

>>54199352
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13376548
Non-optimization is the opposite of autism, you know.

>>54199314
Because primalist does not make bloodrager a playable class. Bloodrager is a playable class without the "optimization" of primalist. Rogue and monks are not playable without optimization or using alterante rules.

That's a change of goalposts.

>>54199350
what about an Ungermaw / scarred witch doctor Gestalt?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13376573
You know the drill, /pfg/

>>54199338
When I said 'there's no reason not to take the primalist' its because my point was that you never have to switch out a bloodline power. You could take them all.

In addition, your understanding of what taking the archetype means seems very restrictive, I don't see why a Character's flavor would have to be affected by their archetype. Of course it can if someone wants it to be, but why should it?

The insults seem unnecessary, but what should I expect someone who cannot read and understand the difference between rage and rage powers.

>>54199401
I never claimed it did? You're twisting my words here. My point was that optimizing to do your 'job' while still being flavorful was a good thing, to be encouraged, like with the holy gun vs mysterious stranger dip

You are the one shifting goalposts, trying to drag that argument back to the arena of specifically the bloodrager, which it had long since left.

>>54199386
You can be autistic about anything, m8.
And besides, being on /tg/ means you're autistic by default until proven otherwise.

>>54199401
all the classes are playable. any class that has been produced can be played. that is the definition of playable

>>54199417
kys yourself

>>54199386
Getting into an optimization vs anti optimization argument is basically the definition of autism anon, no matter what side you were on, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Plus this is /tg/, this is fucking /pfg/ on /tg/, if you post in this thread, you definitely have some kind of autism.

>>54199291
No, I'm not telling what you are doing is wrong. I'm telling you that you trying to force your decision on others - that they have to optimize their bloodrager using primalist because if they don't they're playing wrong - is rude, unnecessary, and really kind of a pointless dick move because it's unnecessary for the class and changes the concept of the class. Turning around and saying "refluff it" isn't being less of a pretentious dick, it's proving the point that 'roleplaying' is meaningless to you, because only optimization matters, regardless of how it is achieved..

>>54199417
Fuggg, I forgot to make it multiple choice.
Fixed: http://www.strawpoll.me/13376596

>>54199271
>Why not?
You're seriously this stupid, aren't you? God dammit.

>>54199291
>You're telling me I'm having badwrongfun too
No. Let's go over this.

>How can Bladed Dash not reasonably be a Bloodrager spell?
>Because I say it doesn't need it.
>Because Bloodragers charge into melee and stay there because I say so.
And from there it veered into
>It shouldn't be a Bloodrager spell because with my optimized build that completely disregards roleplaying and alternative options doesn't need it

So far the answer to the original question, why it shouldn't REASONABLY be a Bloodrager spell, seems to be "It should be, and it's levels should be lowered to 1 & 4".

>>54199440
I was not saying that you HAVE to optimize using primalist, simply that there's few reasons not to

You seem to be projecting here, I am not forcing my decisions onto others, I would simply suggest that in almost any situation, building for pounce would invalidate the need for bladed dash in any way.

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>>54199310
>>54199327

Is she not actually Thicc? Maybe this lady is more your speed

>>54199478
Reported for disgusting shit outside /b/.

>>54199483
this is perfectly serviceable art what's wrong with you

>>54199483
Mathematically speaking, a circle /is/ a curve.

>>54199463
A more realistic answer for why Bladed dash is unneeded is that it offers very little over just charging in most cases, given that a bloodrager will rarely have a charisma mod of above +2, (its just not necessary).

I will admit that greater bladed dash could serve a niche purpose, as it functions as a 15ft by 30ft line attack, but given how Sorcerers and Bloodragers should select spells, niche purpose spells like this are very often lacking for them.

>>54199470
No, you literally said that there's NO reason not to. Stop backpedaling, faggot.

So far, your entire point seems to be
>I wouldn't use this, because the build I'm using doesn't need it
at which point we must ask ourselves if you intend this to be in relation to the question (in which case it can only be considered an argument against it), which marks you as a tremendous retard, or the point is merely you stating that there's a build that wouldn't use it, at which point we all have to ask ourselves why anyone would give a shit about your favourite build.

>>54199461
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13376596
but anon..

Diarmuid was pulled

>>54199514
this man getsthe joke

>>54199525
Once again, there is not 'cost' for taking primalist, you do not have to trade out a single bloodline power unless you want to, the only reason not to take primalist is to take another archetype that alters bloodline powers

In addition, this is not a very specific build, its a bog standard build, one that almost anyone asking how to build a bloodrager would be suggested because of its ease of use and its strength.

>>54199526
Serves me well for not hitting F5 before making a poll.

>>54199517
>given that a bloodrager will rarely have a charisma mod of above +2
Irrelevant to when a bloodrager does. Again, you're trying to argue over your own favourite builds independent of roleplaying. And again, I repeat the request that you kill yourself.

>>54199299
Any build can be thicc, the motherly Paladin can have a bust as impressive as the lewd teenage witch, the sorceress can have a butt as fine as the monk's impressive derrière.

It's literally, pun intended, fluff and padding.

>>54199563
What reason does a bloodrager have to take their charisma over 14, especially at early levels when bladed dash would be relevant, I can think of none, especially considering how MAD bloodragers are.

>>54199572
ha you say that all classes may have thick but what is thickest?

>>54199591
bloatmage

>>54199461
>so many TN faggots
God damn fencesitters.

>>54199591
I don't understand what metric you're going by here. We've got a girl with tits that would make Onryou blush in WotR who's only 12 Con, and then we've got a girl with an ample - though not "thicc" - figure at 16 Con in PLD. If you're asking for a class built around getting big, than you want the bloatmage. Otherwise? You can fluff any character in any class as having wild curves or a hefty bosom.

>>54199596

Im gonna have you step back a moment. As a person who basically is a living blood bag, is vast yes. But not thicc. There's no substance to the mass they wield, just a load of sanguine fluid lies.

>>54199650
its not just blood, its also fat

which is basically what thiccfags are all about

>>54199660
Im fairly certain that it is primarily blood.

>>54199650
>At 3rd level, a bloodmage becomes so massive that her rolls of fatty, blood-laden flesh grant her a +1 natural armor bonus.
>fatty, blood-laden flesh
>fatty
Literally fat.
And "thicc" is codeword for fat.

>>54199540
>Once again, there is not 'cost' for taking primalist, you do not have to trade out a single bloodline power unless you want to
Then your point in relation to the topic was entirely fucking moot, because it related to how bloodragers should always take primalist so that they can always take rage powers to always get pounce.

>bog standard build
Yeah, no, it's a very specific bog standard build. There's lots of standard builds, but this is a specific one.

>almost anyone asking how to build a bloodrager
Every time bloodrager has come up and ideas for building in the last 20 or so threads, this has never been suggested in relation to the concepts bounced around, likely because it was completely irrelevant to the concepts. The only reason you'd think this would be if you start with the optimization and completely disregard any concepts beyond that, which is why you should kill yourself and forever save us from your cancer.

>>54199540
Actually you must trade out at least one bloodline power at 4th level or you have not taken the archetype and cannot use it.

>>54199685
That's a retarded interpretation.

>>54199685
thats not true, you can choose to trade out bloodline powers at any level, and can retain your 4th level bloodline powers. You take archetypes at character creation, NOT when their abilities would come into effect.

>>54199684
I'd advise you to look through the archive, someone was recently asking about how to build a celestial bloodline half orc I believe, and was directed towards beast totem and greater beast totem

amusingly, they had the same misunderesting about extra rage power as you did.

>>54199648
Any news on how thicc the new girl is in PLD?

This is the funniest shit i've read in awhile, holy fuck it just keeps going.
My favorite part is that the poll says that optimization autist is winning.

>>54199650
>>54199669
So what you're looking for is not in fact "thicc," all you want is a class built around being extremely well-figured? As before, see >>54199648 and >>54199572, any class has the potential to be thicc and in fact the only limitations are ones you put on yourself.

Assuming we're going with the time-honored tradition of "Con = Figure," than Barbarians would reign supreme as the combination Strength and Con ensure a well-rounded ass, prodigious chest and a society built around cherishing such things (the old "nature versus civilization" stereotype.) Special mention goes to the Kineticist (needs Con), the Paladin (Divine Grace pumps Charisma into Con) and the Witch Doctor.

Rogues and Monks should have great butts, though.

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>>54199579
>What reason does a bloodrager have to take their charisma over 14
>I literally cannot fathom builds beyond my own nor understand why someone would want to build a charismatic bloodrager or be of an atypical race
Literally fucking autistic, right there. I'd suspect that you were that one massive thread autist that just cannot stop spilling your spaghetti, but the fact that you weren't here to sperg over the Intimidation Bloodrager discussed a couple of threads back suggests otherwise.

Maybe you were on holiday, who knows.

>>54199742
Paladin > Barbarian because they've got CON, STR, and the CHA to back it up with personality, whereas Barbarian are CHA-dumping slobs.

Paladin is a more well-rounded lover.

>>54199761
>tfw no succubus paladin waifu

>>54199748
14 charisma is more than serviceable for roleplaying as 'charismatic', bringing it up to 18 gives a rather small +2 boost to your charisma based skills, which is nice, but is a large cost to pay away from your important physical stats.

Such a build would be excellent at intimidation, dazzling display and shatter defenses, alongside a higher strength (using intimidating prowess) should more than beat the DC for intimidation most of the time.

>>54199773
Didn't someone pull up the Stats for Arueshalae and discover she's almost as charismatic and powerful as Nocticula, the Demon Bitch of Sex?

>>54199761
Paladins can work with 12 Con, while Barbarians want 15 at a minimum.

You could argue Charisma represents how "nice" their bits look, which could suggest the Barbarian has huge floppy tits and a wild, filthy look to her figure while the Paladin enjoys perky breasts, smooth skin and a well-proportioned rump.

>>54199779
>serviceable
I'd point out how hard you're missing the points here, but at this point, I think we've all established just how genuinely autistic you are, so there's really no value in doing so.

I think the funniest part about this conversation is the obsession with bladed dash, a spell that most Maguses ignore in favor of Force Hook Charge, a better version of whats essentially the same effect.

Force Hook Charge is on the bloodrager spell list.

https://pastebin.com/jCSmajqn
Does anyone use Occult Rituals for anything ever?

Here's a homebrew one, anyway.

>>54199945
The heart wants what it wants anon.

>>54199945
I just sorta stumbled upon it and it's absence made me ask the question, because there seems to be little reason for it not to be on the Bloodrager list at 1/4.

It's just an oddity, really, I think most DM:s that aren't crazy would allow a Bloodrager to take it.

And only autists would ree over it.

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>>54199945
Force Hook Charge is Bloodrager 3, though. (Greater) Bladed Dash would be Bloodrager 1 (4), and do something very differently. Force Hook Charge arguably has more utility, however, but you could conceivably have a lot of utility with Bladed Dash, too, depending on how the group reads it in a narrative sense.

I can imagine it being used a lot to strike first, or slice the throats of enemies before combat starts, etc.

>>54200066
>Black and red
Satanic slut confirmed

>>54200110
Generally given limited spell selection force hook charge would be preferable

Gonna roll a Shield Champion, I'm also thinking on being Mutagen Mauler, yes or no?

>>54200238
Generally, maybe, but they're still on completely different levels, and it would be entirely dependent on build. There's a lot of stuff I could take before Force Hook Charge, too.

>Secondly, the ritual is designed to force a creature back from the dead regardless of its own wishes, and twist its loyalty to better suit the purpose of the primary caster.
>If a Soul Gem containing the target's own trapped soul is used as an additional material component (or in place of the extra Soul Gem needed to resurrect an Outsider) all additional penalties for resurrecting an Outsider are removed
>The resurrected target is affected as per a Charm Monster spell cast by the primary caster, and their alignment is shifted up to two steps toward the caster's
>Forced Succubus Mindrape: The Ritual
Y-YAMETE

>>54200346
>>54199994
>missing backlinks
pls no bully

>>54195735
>54195521
> even if the people in the world of Golarion wouldn't understand why since they have no concept of germs.
They actually do.You people really underestimate how advanced Golarion is.

>>54200364
The University of Lepidstat is the finest in the world!

>>54200334
yeah, if bladed dash really was at level 1, it being a level 1 spell would change the math on that a bit.

New thread
>>54200465
>>54200465

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>>54197594
It's not. Check it every day.

>>54200066
>Black and red
Satanic slut confirmed