Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Need opinions: Tallarn vs. Valhallan for my armored/mech gaurd army? Not using either original infantry models.

>>54177964
>questionable rules lore wise
Keep crying bitch nigger

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Who says T'au players don't paint their models?

How do Space wolves play? I'm facing them for the first time tomorrow.

>>54177964
>Can't paint this well, better call him names!

>>54178016
Tallarn don't use that many tanks overall, so valhallan might be better

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>>54177964
>Weebs are killing Tau
No that would be Culexus.

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>>54178016
Valhallans!
Join me!
On a serious note tallarns are based off of British SAS in Africa while valhallans are space Russians, both had their share of mechanized and well equipped infantry squads so it boils down to what you like the look of better

>>54178073

Can depend on the player and what they have. Expect Wulfen and potentially their flyers since they are strong. Longfangs could quite likely be in the list as well. TWC may or may not be used.

>>54178074
I can put decals on plastic too, that's not special

>>54178086
wewlad good one

>>54177964
The other thread is only on page 6>>54174627
Don't blow your load too early. Don't start stupid threadwars.

>>54178074
Tallarn are known for armored divisions. Largest tank battle in history was fought on their home planet.

Alright, I'm expanding my Tyranids army and I can go three ways:
>1 - Gunline - Pick up more Hive Guard and some Exocrines
- Pro - most like my guard
- Con - most like my guard, which defeats the purpose of a side army
>2 - Medium Bugs Only - Warriors as troops, Tyrant Guard as shocktrooper, Raveners as surprise assault etc.
- Pro - Relatively elite and easy to paint
- Con - Fugging expensive, and I'm not good enough at blustuff to cast.
>3 - Mass Gribblies
- Pros - Relatively strong this edition
- Cons - WAACfaggy, bunch to paint, and not very enjoyable.

>>54178073
Like all of the good parts of csm and SM wrapped together. They can take imperium anything for shooting and have great choppy potential.

>>54178188
Medium or Big Bugs

You play guard, you already do Gun Line and Masses of cheap bodies

I have five of the old trukks still, they are much smaller than the new ones but much cheaper and easy to transport. Has anyone had any problems with using older models, especially ones that are sized differently? Could I take them to a tourney?

>>54178121
What do your tanks look like?

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Death Company Dreadnought with twin Furioso fists, two Heavy Flames, and smoke launchers. Yes or no?

If not, what's the loadout you think would work best?

>>54178367
Yes. Rerolling hits. Put it in a Stormraven so it always be in combat.

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said fuck these gay intercessors squads and turned my primaris into taticals. considering the sergeant could not take power fist or thunder hammers they were basically the most un my dude things ever.

What's the deal with the Renegades army list? It says we get medusa's and medusa batteries, yet neither exist. Do the Armageddon and Carriage variants count?

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>>54178358
Don't have a lot of pictures but generally a spiky pattern like in the picture.
I didn't give a camo to the sentinels as I'd imagine them to be so cheap camo isn't worth wasting time on

>>54178367
wew sounds pretty awesome to me, though expensive points-wise. Heavy flamers do work too, if you roll well you can just massacre some guys, I've seen even MEQ units completely eat shit to heavy flamers, a squad of 5 MEQ guys like devs or havocs will almost definitely wipe to 2x heavy flamers, even a squad of 10 like CSM or noise marines will get really fucked up by them

>>54178411
Aren't those guys all snap-fit or something?

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>>54178457
things like this never stopped fabious.

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>>54178358
One last very old pic of how it works on the tabletop

>>54178488
Is it wrong that I want to see that Dreddie just fuckin' shrek those tanks?

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Does anyone have the primaris marine booklet that came with DI that can upload a picture of the alternate chapters they can be painted or tell me if there's any new primaris only dark angel successor chapter

Is this somewhat decent on a semi-casual level. 1250 points.
Spearhead Formation.
Grand Master -162
Storm bolter // Nemesis force halberd

Purgation Squad -177
4x Gatling Psicannon
Purgation Squad -177
4x Gatling Psicannon
Purgation Squad -177
4x Gatling Psicannon

Strike Squad 10 man unit 210
Stormbolters // Nem force halberds
Strike Squad 10 man unit 210
Stormbolters // Nem force halberd

Castellan Crowe // Assassin of choice.
It seems pretty damn alpha strikey, but hey why not I guess. 48 shots per purgation squad a turn at 24" re-rolling 1's with the Grandmaster around, its decent I hope as a thought.

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>>54178488
>>54178500

hey, I'm trying to work out a 3 player scenario that's a bit different from the one in the book - thinking of having Player A start in the middle of the board and players B and C start at opposite ends. Player A gets more points, but I'm trying to work out how much more... any thoughts? I'm trying to have the most powerful army sandwhiched between two smaller ones who will come into conflict after they've downsized the larger force

For victory conditions, thinking either Kill Points, or 1-2 centrally-located objectives.

>>54178550
lolololololol RUSSED

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>>54178520
The middle fucks are primaris only.

>>54178599
fuck man why no rotate

>>54178618
i'm lazy, and i took the picture with my phone.

>>54177964
Anybody have a link to the new farsight novel?

>>54178599
Nice, thanks anon exactly what I was looking for

is there a collection of 40k Audio books anywhere?

Are blight drones worth taking? And if so how many?

>>54178411
Not even Primaris marines are safe from the yourdudes autism crowd.

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Anyone else think lightning claws and by extension power fists, look retarded as fuck?

This was really the best they could come up with?

Warp talons look a lot better with theirs.

>>54178734
Try audiobookbay.me

>>54178769
Meh, I've got a bigger problem with muh giant shoulder than I do with muh giant gloves

>>54178252
WAACfags might complain about M4A but if you can add some bits to extend the profile to the newer dimensions even they cant bitch, but for casual games I dont see it being an issue

>>54178769
Not really though the ones in that particular image look incredibly oversized because they're terminator claws on a standard assault marine.

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>>54178801
Troof, these are what the normals look like.

>>54178550
funny, but in my experience none of the tanks can actually fight in combat since they mostly hit on 5s or 6s but they are annoying to be locked in combat with for a turn

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>>54178852
>YFW you realize that's not 3 black dudes on one white girl, it's one white guy on three black girls

>>54178599

>Fulminators

Why yes I want Ultrasmurfs with a chapter symbol that is next to impossible to paint well.

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>>54178898
>i can't tell who's BLACKing who anymore

>>54178736
The FW ones are pretty decent at hunting light multi wound models, same as the GW ones, but at a longer range. A GW drone is much more likely to end up getting squished by a fex or dread in combat, because it has to be very close. If you face a lot of those, pay the points for to FW one.

>>54178898
I never understood this maymay

>>54178924
Unfunny forced normie meme. It's like Joe Biden memes only it makes even less sense.

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>>54178908
They're about to be imperial fisted.

>>54178908
Good fucking God this image makes me so fucking angry. Who the hell puts a single ripper on a 25mm base? Like what the fuck were they thinking?

>>54178924
The dude sprinkles salt like a super cool dude (tm) and it looks funny because it's overdramatic.

>>54178937
I never notice it till now. >>54178908
Delete this.

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>been painting models for 20+ years

Today I tried out a simple wet palette: plastic plate + wet papertowel + parchment paper.

HOLY
SHIT

Total game changer. I've had a glob of paint on this bitch for 4 hours now and it's still wet.

On my tried and true dry palette my paint would typically last about 10 minutes before scabbing over and I would stir water into it with a toothpick.

Why have I never tried this before.

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I'm kind of new to 40k and I want to start an army, but the only fluff that caught my eye was Rogue Traders, so I thought it might be cool to start a Rogue Trader army. I'm just not sure how to go about it. I'm guessing it would be a mix of Imperial Guard and Imperial Agents with an Inquisitor to play the Rogue Trader, but what else? Tempestus Scions because they have the money to afford the top quality troops? I'm guessing they'd deploy from a ship, so lots of Aircraft? Can Space Marines be attached to a RT?

What exactly would a fluffy Rogue Trader army look like?

>>54178977
I saw a video about that and definitely want to try it

>>54178937
Smart people? Like the people who put 1-3 scarabs on a scarab base.

You get more units from a single model that way.

>>54178983
1/10 I replied but I'm not mad

Since GW took down the army builder. Anyone try Battle Scribe; or is a convoluted mess still?

>>54178983
Rogue Traders don't have armies they have space ships.

I guess the closest thing would be an inquisitor and a bunch of inquisitor acolytes and other random imperial guys like a psyker and a tech priest.

Rogue traders are just inquisitors with none of the official power

>>54179001
Still ugly and still looks like shit. Doesn't stop people from using it though

>>54178937

Why are they rolling right into the middle of their minis? That's going to knock into something!

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>>54178546
GK player here, gatling psilencers are Dreadknight only. In my opinion, you're better off taking Psycannons in most situations as you'll be more likely to wound with them. otherwise I would definitely give this list a try, might have some fun.

So when will GW realize that making the 2 plastic IG regiments be ultrageneric that any other company can easily ripoff with their own sculpts is dumb for business?

Why not a redemptionist/cawdor themed IG army or a mad max dark future IG army that can easily be used as loyalist or renegade?

Obviously they'll keep Death Korps as FW only but they could easily do a new IG regiment that isn't a blatant ripoff of one or more historical armies that everyone else can blatantly ripoff as well.

>>54179001
>convoluted mess
this.

People who suggest otherwise are memers like the people who meme that powerlevels are the superior gaming method or that tau are more anime than eldar.

>>54179031
Because when you polarize the way the model looks, you also polarize the player base.

Some will love it, most will hate it and get their models somewhere else.

>>54179035
Tau are more anime than Eldar but Eldar are more nipponese than Tau. I thought we already settled this.

>>54179051
Every time someone tries to explain how tau are more anime

The only thing they can come up with is gundams. No one doubts they have the gundam angle but that's the only thing remotely jap about them. Gundams aren't even anime, they're jap.

Meanwhile eldar have numerous jap influences.

Honestly I don't see any army as being "anime" unless by anime you mean jap.

>>54178983

Basically use the inquistors and add in some adeptus mechanicus and some ministorium troops and you basically got the basis of a rogue trader "army". Oh and plenty of abhumans like Ogryns and Ratlings and Squats because why not.

That's of course assuming you aren't going full heretical and don't have some eldar or ork pirates as crew members.

>>54178977
Yeah.
I've had the same paint mixes for the past five, six weeks.
Mix a tiny drop of airbrush flow improver in with it (if you're not already thinning your paints with the stuff)
It will NEVER dry out as long you you just put a lid on it when you're done.

>>54179031
>>54179048
They seriously need to consider making generic troops with optional upgrade kits, R&H drew a big enough crowd to warrant throwing them a bone so why not?

Any chance in hell we'll see Deathwing Knights all Primaris upped?

>>54179077
Jap =! anime but anime = jap. Anime is a subset of jap. So Tau lean more heavily to subset anime of jap but overall Eldar have more dominance over the complete set. Both are shit factions so who cares?

>>54179077

Eldar

>anime

I guess if by anime you mean 80s as fuck like Jojo or Gurren Lagan levels of over the top

>>54179031
let's see, last guard minis was Vostroyan Firstborn
in 2006 i think and they were metal. it is weird how GW never got around to making them in plastic (ignoring SoB for the moment). i guess it's the same weird case where they think no one will buy them?

>>54179077
The short answer is Tau are an easy target and widely hated online, not sure about in person offline though.

I played a game against a solid 9/10 girl today

Wrecked her marines with my orks and felt bad after

>>54179106
Not for a while m8

>>54179035
>>54179019
Fuck, so I have to make things by hand until the ab40k guys or GW get something out? that blows.

>>54179106
From how it sounds in the Dark Imperium book every single primaris marine is getting sent to work in random chapters. So no, I wouldn't imagine we'll see existing units get primarised, I'd imagine we'll see various new units that are supposed to compliment the existing units

>>54179016
I thought Rogue Traders explore and conquer new worlds. How do they conquer without armies?
>>54179083
>That's of course assuming you aren't going full heretical and don't have some eldar or ork pirates as crew members.
That sounds pretty cool, but you can't have non-Imperium units in an Imperium army right?

Thanks for the other suggestions.

>>54179138
Good, she'll fear the greenskin menace and bond better with her brothers in future attempts to purge them.

>>54178986
That's completely different though, you get 12 scarabs and 3 40mm bases per kit that comes with them. With rippers you get ONE with a sculpt dependant on the kit but end up with an extra 40mm base in every fucking kit. The only reason you'd have a ripper on a 25mm is because you didn't build one of your Gaunts and even then that's not even fucking legal because every unique ripper sculpt from GW is on a 40mm
I'm just so MAD

>>54179172
>cucked

>>54179167
If one rogue trader ship showed up in orbit above earth right now they could conquer earth easily just with the ship alone. Same holds true for planets without high tech in their timeline too

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>>54179167
They don't conquer they explore, wheel, deal, smuggle, etc.

Han Solo from Star Wars and Malcolm Reynolds from Firefly are essentially rogue traders.

>>54179185
?

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Built one of FW's Artemia hellhounds today lads. Anyone who's waiting for GW's to come back into stock, consider it. Not bad at all to go together and it looks great all covered in stowage.

>>54179167
The only time rogue traders are involved in conquering a planet is when they've been pressed into service for the imperium and transporting guard regiments.

>>54179179
On a side note, i fucking love rippers now, i have something like 21 ripper bases and that's maybe 250 pts for 3 21 wound movement blockers/obj grabbers. I just love it.

>>54179187
Depends on the ship. Shitty, tiny old vessel with a skeleton crew and disgraced Rogue Trader? Not unless they got some weird tricks up their sleeves.

40k tech level is good, but remember that they're essentially picking up the pieces from those that came before them--except touching the pieces is illegal and they also might try to kill you or open a portal to Hell.

Just picking up 40k. Thoughts on this 500 point list and where to go from here?

Captain - Bolt Pistol, Power Sword

Tactical Squad (5x) - Combi-Flamer, Power Axe, Grav-Cannon
Tactical Squad (5x) - Combi-Flamer, Power Axe, Grav-Cannon

Razorback - TL Assault Cannon, Storm Bolter
Razorback - TL Assault Cannon, Storm Bolter

500/ 500 points.

>>54179237
Looks fine to me. What chapter are you going to collect

>>54179236
Unless the ship has literally zero orbit to ground weapons earth would be completely fucked. The grand sum of 2017's anti-orbital weaponry would be like a couple thousand missiles that the ship could easily detect being launched and just withdraw away from.

What's the cheesiest, beardiest, gamiest thing you've ever done?

For me it was 4th edition I think, had 4 scarab bases that I turboboosted turn 1 at my opponents land raider.

Being swarms they got a 3++ cover save. Failing to destroy them, I proceed to assault the raider and obliterate it in a single round of combat.

>>54179257
No Idea atm. Keeping my options open. Sort of leaning Ultramarines; though I know they are the "default" chapter. But I have never seen them the 4 times I've visited the local GW.

Dreadnoughts

Drop pod a must?

Leviathan is not must run shooty?


Contemtpor any good?

>>54179237
War gear seems a bit all over the place. Sure, everyone can shoot different targets, but you're still gonna want to make it easier on yourself. I'd say have one squad be cannon+combigrav and another be flamer+combiflamer (a heavy flamer if your friends are reasonable human beings). Though plasma might be better since flamers are shit with random hit numbers.

>>54178599
>this kills the neck.

>>54179286
UM are fine, the bitching about them is just two mad retards

>>54179193
eeeeh... they have the right mindset. It's just that a Rogue Trader captain has a kilometer long ship with a several thousand crew, and has had that ship in the family for at least a few hundred years.

Rogue Traders have armies... at the very least, they have enough armed men to conduct boarding actions. The issue is that said army will be very small by 40k standards, and probably lacking any vehicles other than fighters

>>54179287

>Dreadnought
>Drop Pod

>>54179260
>orbit to ground weapons
And why would the ship have orbit to ground weapons to begin with unless it was purpose built for stand-off combat?

Ship to ship weapons? Sure. A rogue trader's not likely to have anything that can be targeted and shot through an atmosphere though.

>>54179287
Dreadnoughts are great, you can just hustle them across the field, don't send them alone though, send a bunch of shit with them so the enemy has to choose what to put their shots on.

If they make it into combat they will fuck shit up

>>54179193
Maybe if the Rogue Trader was shit at their job. Rogue Traders can command entire fleets of ships and have the manpower to defend shipping lanes and hunt pirates.

Commanding armies wouldn't be out of reach for a prominent trader.

>>54179294
>a Rogue Trader captain has a kilometer long ship with a several thousand crew
The most successful rogue traders in the galaxy do.

Most have your typical small ship with less than 10 crew though.

>>54179306
>a single orbit to ground weapon would allow you to exort the entire wealth out of 90% of the planets you come across but nah better leave it at home

Wow you must be like Alexander the Great or some shit what a genius

>>54179260
They might well not have any bombardment weapons. Most rogue traders probably wouldn't.

Plus, I don't think you're giving modern earth enough credit. We're smarter than the techno-rednecks of M41.

>>54179272
I miss when scarabs used to permanently eat armor and made warhound titans into swiss cheese in less than a turn.

>>54179237
Seems solid but as for expansion you'll need more bodies for 1k+ games, maybe a land raider for transport/distraction and devastators for anti-armor, assault marines or terminators for intercept.

>>54179306
lances can penetrate atmosphere (and pretty much anything else). While not every RT ship comes with lances, many do.

>>54179327
Smarter doesn't mean that we actually have a bunch of anti-orbital weapons ready to go and those few that we do have/can repurpose quickly are just slow ass missiles intended to target cities. If the ship just drives away and then comes back an hour later they are wasted and we're defenseless.

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I hope this looks like a passable pathfinder conversion, the other 4 eldar and 3 humans all had their hands horribly mutilated before I gave up and just cut up the guns.
As for why I needed pathfinders, I bought them used and of ten six came with special weapons so I needed decent proxies.

>>54179322
>Give me all your money or I blow up the statue of liberty!
Who gives a shit? unless the ship can sink continents no one will fucking care. If a RT blows stuff up, it's not making him any money.

If he sends down small craft to collect good, they get shot down.

The population can simple hunker down and wait for the RT to fuck off. There's zero economic incentive in sending a planet back to the stone age.

A single shot as a show of force is the worst that can happen before the RT realizes it's not worth the time/cost and fucks off elsewhere.

>>54179318
...what? The SMALLEST 40k vessel capable of interstellar travel is a minimum of 900 meters long and has a few hundred crew.

>>54179360
Are you serious? How many capital cities would they lance before we capitulated? One? The threat of one after they lance a forest?

Give me a break, son.

>>54179318
So if the guy wants to make a Rogue Trader army, why wouldn't he make his made-up Rogue Trader successful enough to command an army?

>>54179322
>allow you to exort the entire wealth
How so? It's not like they can lay siege to the planet with it.

It's a fucking planet. What are they gonna do? Sit there blasting it all day REEEEing for material goods?

Standoff weapons are only game-enders in a traditional siege. The defenders can no longer defend themselves and eventually begin to starve. You can't starve out a planet that's growing its own food like most planets do.

>>54179372
He's only played 40k rpgs online with other 2015ers who don't know the fluff

>>54179347
give it some of those tau head antennas and it'll look better, right now it's just a guardsmen weidling a bastardised pulse carbine, more in line with the gue'vesa from the taros campaign 7th book.

>>54179294
>The issue is that said army will be very small by 40k standards, and probably lacking any vehicles other than fighters
So, something like Elysians would probably work pretty well for the bulk of a Rogue Trader's forces?

>>54179286
Ultras are a fine choice.
I would say that this guy
>>54179290
Is some what right, it's always best to keep like with like.
As for what you should get after that, ultras have the benefit of being jack of all trades, master of none. Most any unit would be fluffy for them, though I would recommend picking up termies, ass marines and/or devs early on. Termies or assault marines can provide some melee power that you're missing, because right now it's basically just guns which is never a good idea with marines, we're not the best shooty army nor the best melee one, a good list should combine both to be able to take on most any threat.
And Devs are an obvious choice for any marine player.

>>54179193
rogue trading as a pasttime hasn't really changed since the horus heresy - and the Imperial Cults and Militias army list for 30k can be, among other things, the armed forces of a Rogue Trader helping with the crusade

>>54179394
"Give us all the gold on your planet or we will blow up all of your cities. City #1 goes now to let you know that we're serious. Boom."

But no, feel free to tell me how this wouldn't possibly work even though it's how we have ended every war in human history

>>54179343
Abrams tank cannon shells can penetrate an absurd amount of armor.

Good luck hitting a battleship or a bomber with one though. They simply do not have the targeting systems for it.

Similarly, good luck hitting a tank or a plane with the cannon on a destroyer. Even though those same cannons and calibers have been used for anti-tank and anti-air before. Unless you have the right targeting system and mount you won't hit shit.

>>54179377
Yeah, but would we even give them?

If we say hypothetically that this trader has the technological ability to take on the entire planet solo, what in the fuck would he have to gain by doing it? Slave labor? That's cheap as chips in the heart of the Imperium!

The realistic scenario for the "average" RT encountering an modern-Earth-equivalent would be marking it on the map so a crusade fleet can swing by in a few centuries and drag them into the Imperium.

>>54179394
>japan surrendered because they starved to death
Really makes me think.

Is there a good place online to buy models that isn't ebay? I want a Lukas the Trickster but its a webstore exclusive, and its out of stock. The ones on ebay are either really expensive old metal ones, or from China and I don't know what do do.

>>54179411
Yep. For fluff, you'd want your veterans mostly outfitted with shotguns, as they're the preferred naval boarding weapon.

Alternatively, use the inquisition rules, and snag some varied and unusual vehicles from a variety of imperial forces - your Trader could be a collector of such items.

>>54179389
Because his "army" is going to be the tabletop equivalent of conscripts.

Even regular guardsman see more action than ship borne marines.

>>54179439
Gold, bro. Gold. There's a reason we used gold to trade with the ETs when we first started encountering them after world war 2, even space people really love a good conductor.

>>54179433
oh, I don't imagine you could lance a moving target... but cities, army bases, anything stationary and not under a void shield is fucked.

>>54179457
noble knight did right by me, they have a ton of used models

>>54179461
Rogue Traders deal with Xenos on a pretty regular basis and if they're fighting off Freebooterz and (D)Eldar Corsairs, I think it's safe to say a Rogue Traders forces are pretty experienced at their jobs.

>>54179455
Japan surrendered because they faced complete total annihilation and they fucking knew it. They were a bunch of savages, and the american military made it perfectly clear that they were more than willing to kill every single last jap that drew breath out of spite for the atrocities that the japs committed throughout the war.

The bombings of japan was basically Truman stepping up and saying "Try me one more time, I fucking dare you."

>>54179427
>we have ended every war in human history
You don't know shit if you think that's true. How come both wars in iraq didn't end after we leveled Baghdad?

Shit even the romans were smart enough not to roll over after losing their capital. Hannibal walked all over Rome and the rest of the roman army just kept on trucking, they didn't give a fuck.

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>>54179458
Thanks fampai, I appreciate the help.

>>54179461
that would generally be the case, but a particular trader might make a habit of getting involved in conflicts. Also, he'd want bodyguard that are well trained and equipped...

So:
Random crewmen: conscripts
Trained marines: guard infantry, maybe veterans
Trader's personal guard: veterans or tempestus scions. Or even a squad of Tactical Marines if you're a trader from House Ecale (who have some weird agreement going on with the Marines Errant)

>>54179501
If a rogue trader is repelling boarders, and boarding defended ships regularly they're a pretty shitty trader.

>>54179517
Every war has always been ended by the threat of annihilation. Of course in order to argue against that you have to twist my wording to assume that I meant the first threat of annihilation but hey that's because you're a retarded pedant that honestly tried to argue that rogue traders would not have ship to ground weapons for some retarded reason

>>54179455
Like how the american surrendered to the british and went back to being their colony after they burnt down the white house and occupied DC?

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>>54178121

>>54179532
They're basically legalized pirates, they can board anything they feel like they can get away with.

>>54179521
no problem. I theme some of my collection as traders and use the AM rules. I'm currently fixing up a rather damaged second hand Stormraven to be something the trader salvaged - it'll count as a valkyrie

>>54179455
Oh yeah like how after Napoleon took moscow, russia surrendered and all of Napoleon's troops didn't die in the ensuing russian winter?

>>54179548
"we lost our ornamental coastal city where the president is supposed to live better give up the war immediately"

vs

"we are getting shelled from orbit by lasers and we have no weapons that can fight back oh fuck we just lost LA"

Great argument Genghis Khan you really are a master tactician

>>54179455
As evidenced when the chinks burnt down Kyoto, japan's capital at the time, japan surrendered and has been a chinese territory ever since right?

>>54179193
the wiki page has a whole subset of traders, like trader militants that conquer and wage war, trader priests that bring forth the emperors light, trader smugglers, trader archaeologists, basically whatever a trader wants to use his writ to do. so a trader warlord, canonically, is fine.

>>54179579
>we lost our capital, seat of political power, important harbor and trading centre and we're being bombarded by ships off the coast we have no hope whatsoever of driving off because we don't even have a navy much less a navy that can stand against the single greatest naval power in the last century.

You might want to learn your history m8.

>>54179602
>the seat of political power
And now you see the difference between that and losing modern day new york to space lasers

Thanks for making my point for me Carl Sagan

>>54179480
Thanks, i'll check that out

>>54179543
>Every war has always been ended by the threat of annihilation.
Wait I thought every war ended when a capital fell?

Which is it retard?
It's neither actually

Very few wars throughout history threatened to annihilate a people group. It's not worth the effort, the cost, the time, or the loss of life of your own forces.

>>54179623
>"stop fighting or we'll kill you all and we're in a position where you actually believe us"

>very few

Wow Sun Tzu you really really made me think

>>54179616
>losing modern day new york
And nothing of value to the united states was lost.

>>54179638
>we're in a position where you actually believe us
Nice strawman, you have anything to prop it up with? RT's are not inquisitors. They don't have the weaponry to destroy planets.

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Whats good to run with custdes?

itt some american demonstrates why america is behind most of Europe in education by thinking that every single war was decided by a single action.

An action which, oddly, keeps changing every time he's proven wrong and yet against all odds he still isn't remotely close to a correct answer.

No wonder a bunch of farmers with ak47's defeated you in vietnam, and continues to defeat you in afganistan.

>>54179655
sir they just beamed the busiest street in manhattan and our counter launch of 100 ICBMs that we've outfitted to work in orbit had no effect

okay private don't give them our gold because some really smart guy on 4chan says that wouldn't work

>>54179663
A dustpan to sweep them more easily into the rubbish bin.

>>54179680
>very few people actually give up when they've lost wars that's just stupid

>now I'm going to samefag a little bit about how obviously correct I am

kekkkkkkkkkkk

>>54179663
Surrendering

>>54179684
Surely if we wait it out the aliens will spontaneously die

>>54179655
no, but they have the weapons to destroy ships... and a 40k ship is the size of several city blocks. And ships have rather more mobility, structural integrity and shielding than most city blocks.

The Trader can't threaten to destroy the world, be he can threaten to destroy the central portion of a major city every 24 hours until he gets what he wants.

>>54179663
traffic

>>54179684
>okay private don't give them our gold because unless they commit to a ground war all they can do is knock over some skyscrapers.

Wait you think new york is valuable because there's gold there? You need to stop getting your history lessons from Die Hard movies.

>>54179706
NO THAT WOULD NEVER WORK I HAVE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD NEVER WORK BECAUSE I WAS WRONG ABOUT ROGUE TRADERS NOT HAVING SHIP TO GROUND WEAPONS SO I CHANGED MY ARGUMENT

>>54179711
Not the anon you've been arguing with, but you're going to run into national unity problems really quickly.

>>54179697
There's that goalpost moving again burger.

Let's recap shall we?

>Every war has always been ended by the threat of annihilation
>City #1 goes now to let you know that we're serious. Boom." it's how we have ended every war in human history

So now you admit that you have no idea what it takes to win a war so you just try to handwave it as
>they've lost wars
but you haven't any clue how or why anyone loses wars so you just try to skip over that.

TOP
KEK

>>54179225
Noice, I was thinking about going a mini swarm with one big bug and now I think I know the answer

>>54179741
>I'm obviously in the wrong here but maybe if I call him a burger that'll prove that I know what I'm talking about after all europeans have lost every war they've ever fought against human beings, so I should know

Oh, I get it now. You're literally furious that you've never won a modern war.

>>54179714
>I can't make a coherent point so I'm going to post in all caps because maybe if everyone knows I don't have an argument they'll all leave me alone then I can tell my mom I won a debate!

:^)

>>54179751
>never won a modern war.
What is the Crimean peninsula?
What is Chechnya?
What is georgia?

Remind me again how setting up a factory in the middle east to mass produce dead american soldiers is winning at anything?

>>54179720
Great, every man for themself it is then.

So which man looking out for himself and his family is going to gather up whatever resources someone in orbit wants, load it into a shuttle, and give it to him?

>>54179768
>conveniently forgets the "against human beings" part
kek

>>54179214
Wrong. Rogue Traders have been the leads of crusades.

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>>54179768
>a factory in the middle east to mass produce dead american soldiers

>>54179663

A game of Horus Heresy, obviously

>>54179785
I think it's more "which angry mob is going to force their leadership to resign and replace them with someone who will capitulate after a bunch of cities get beamed"

>>54179785
Or the public will get sick of the government throwing away their lives over resources and revolt.

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Lets talk about warhammer

What isnyour favorite chapter?

>>54179795
You'll notice that nobody is mad about that witty comment because we massacred like five million of them and only lost a handful of dudes, most of whom were shitty canadians or whatever "allies" we send in to guard our heroin factories for us

>>54179797
keep up with the fluff grandpa, custodes are a fighting force again

>>54179786
>americans have done nothing but lose wars to subhumans for the last 3 decades

I think I get it now. You burgers never actually withdraw from the conflicts you're losing in shitholes around the world, you just let the wars fester and continue to feed soldiers into it for "democracy".

This way you don't have to admit you lost you can just say that your "objectives were unattainable"

>>54179799
You beam a single city and joe american is heading into his bunker or other nearest low lying area and proceeding to shit himself while praying.

It's all up to the government then to play ball or simply hunker down and wait out the threat.

>>54179829
We massacred millions of them, stole all their drugs and oil and are camping their spawns laughing about it while you are literally turning your homelands into new spawn points for them.

Guess you really showed us, didn't you?

I wanna expand my tau with something
fluffy for my sept and fun to play/paint. I have

9 crisis suits
3 stealth suits
32 infantry
1 pirahna
1 devilfish
an ethereal
a lot of drones

I wanna fluff and paint my tau up like vietnam americans, and paint them in tiger stripe camo. Already going to add a sunshark and do a krootox face for nose art. Wat add.

>>54179517
>You don't know shit if you think that's true. How come both wars in iraq didn't end after we leveled Baghdad?
Because we didn't? Baghdad still exists, it wasn't erased from the earth with atomic weapons, let alone a column of fire from space. All a Rogue Trader has to do to hold the planet hostage is vaporize, say, New York to prove his point then demand whatever he feels like.

>>54179802
You mean like afganistan and iraq?

oh wait
>a factory in the middle east to mass produce dead american soldiers

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>>54179806
It's too late, the /pol/ leak is growing!

Also my favorite chapter is Black Templar.

>>54179855
NO WE WOULD NEVER EVER GIVE THEM GOLD JUST BECAUSE THE SHOT NEW YORK WITH SPACE LASERS I HAVE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT AND NOTHING YOU CAN EVER SAY WILL CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

>>54179852
Drones.

>>54179863
Huge difference when it's happening at home rather than overseas. If 9/11 was happening every other day, you'd see a much bigger difference.

>>54179872
What kind? Are sniper drone teams any good?

>>54179850
>stole all their drugs and oil
Last I checked iraq and libya were still producing their own oil and selling it to the US for the same prices as they were before the war.

Saudi arabia, qatar, and kuwait are still producing their own oil as well.

So where'd the oil america stole go? Into the gulf of mexico? Is that where you all conveniently lost all of this "stolen oil" you speak of?

>Give me your gold or I will park my city-sized space cathedral in geosynchronous orbit over your most populated city and fire lances into it until it's a crater of bubbling rock and steel

>Lol we won't surrender just because you killed millions of our citizens, read a history book

>>54179852
Get a lot of red bandanas and make them look like Rambo.

>>54179877
Gotcha, so that's why america didn't enter the 2nd world war.

Because all the daily sinkings of american merchant ships by german uboats over the years culminating in the attack on pearl harbor showed them it wasn't a fight worth entering.

Can Adeptus Ministrorum work without SoB at 50 PL?

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>>54179866

This thread is unclean...

Sons of Medusa are my favorite.

>>54179882
>y-you didn't s-steal any oil!
lol tell that to the weak retards chanting "no more wars for oil" for the last 20 years

>>54178252
GW recently re-released the old trukks in the build+paint range, so they're current models again

>>54179863
americas goal in the middle east is not to "win" "wars"
it has several motivations for its operations in the region

>>54179894
this is entirely situational and differs drastically based on the politics in question

>>54179897
Actually I was thinking of doing a guevesa guardsman up like rambo and counting him as my shadowsun

>>54179187
Shouldn't most planets in the galaxy be space-capable? If they weren't space-capable, how did they get onto the planet in the first place?

>>54179894
>Lol we won't surrender just because you killed millions of our citizens
It depends on what you want. China didn't surrender to Japan despite losing millions of citizens because people cared.

>>54179894
>implying china, russia, japan, korea, britain, or france give a fuck about what happens to the US.

>>54179900
How are you going to start a war with a 5km long cruiser sitting in orbit?

>>54179881
Snipers stack with controller and uplink right?
Hide a stealth suit team with a controller and a firesight marksman nearby and they're hard to hit and land shots on 3+ that rapidfire at 24".

>>54179921
>has literally never read the 40k fluff

>>54179929
that sounds pretty fluffy and fun, hell yea. That probably brings me to about 400 points or so to go crazy with

>>54179806
Space Sharks

I don't play Space Marines, but I'm tempted to make a small Space Shark force someday.

>>54179927
STOP IT STOP IT I AM CORRECT WHY THE FUCK WON'T YOU JUST STOP POINTING OUT THAT I AM WRONG

>>54179934
I have read a lot of 40k novels and all the planets above tribal level had spaceports.

>>54179924
> Oh, you primitives don't have a one world government yet? Alright, someone draw me a map so I know where else i need to vaporize.

>>54179806
Relictors, the poor dumb sods.

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>>54179691
>>54179701
>>54179709

>>54179894
Do you really think that ANY of the worlds conquered in the Macharian crusade could have been conquered by a single fucking Rogue Trader?

>>54179952
>no one world government

anon you're triggering me
i'm having flashbacks of pax britannia

>>54179946
All the maybe three dozen planets ever mentioned in the novels have space ports?

SHIT MAN DAMN THAT'S A CRAZY NUMBER OF SPACE PORTS

>>54179948
This isn't about occupying teritory, this is about holding cities hostage.

>>54179868
>>54179913
>"Mr. President, the 10 mile starship has just completely vaporized New York, Philadelphia, and Richmond. All missiles fired at it have proven completely ineffective. The "Rogue Trader" has repeated his demand for all our gold and ten thousand virgin women. The ship appears to be repositioning over Washington DC. as we speak, sir. What should we do?"
>"NEVER SURRENDER OUR GOLD WHO CARES IF OUR NATION IS BEING ANNIHILATED!"
This is what autists actually believe.

>>54179852
remora drones

hazards

>>54179942

Kill Team of Space Sharks would be pretty awesome. Just a few sturdy Terminators or fill it with Primaris Reivers.

>>54179967
>All the maybe three dozen planets ever mentioned in the novels have space ports?
Yes, that's part of the 40k fluff.

>>54179969
>This is what autists actually believe.
This is what actually happens during total war.

>>54179948
If all america wanted was to sack Iraq and move on, they could've done it just fine.

>>54179969
NO STOP FUCKING STOP ARGUING WITH ME I AM CORRECT WE WOULD NEVER EVER CAPITULATE TO SUPERIOR FORCES AND FOR THE RECORD NO WAR HAS EVER ENDED THAT WAY IN REAL LIFE EITHER

READ A FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING HISTORY BOOK

>>54179959
I'm right and you're wrong.

Prove me wrong you can't because I'm right. Checkmate.

>>54179990
If you're going to stop something, stop arguing with yourself.

>>54179942
Can never go wrong with Carcharodons

>>54179992
Are you replying to the wrong person?

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>>54179990
>every war in human history has ended that
>NO WAR HAS EVER ENDED THAT WAY
Got'em

>>54180021
>what is hyperbole
Not sure better look it up

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>>54179988
Iraq is the name of the country. Here let me show you on a map, this is iraq.

>>54179969
Honestly, the rogue trader could've just sent down a shuttle and said "Get on board to go to space and bang aliens. Also we have laser guns and robot suits."

He'd have his pick of all the nerd girls he'd want. Odds are a pretty solid percentage of them will even be relatively hot.

>>54180028
Hyperbole is what liars claim to have been doing when called out on their lies.

>>54179986
>This is what actually happens during total war.
Because obviously no nation surrenders after having its major cities vaporized by super weapons from the heavens it has literally no defense against. Gold is clearly more important than the nation populace and the politician's career/life.

You are an amazing degree of retarded.

>>54180028
>get proven wrong
I-IT WAS H-HYPERBOLE!!!

>>54180042
>Because obviously no nation surrenders after having its major cities vaporized by super weapons from the heavens it has literally no defense against. Gold is clearly more important than the nation populace and the politician's career/life.
If they want the gold, they are simply pirates. If you want to conquer a world, you are taking and holding.

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>>54180035
Pic related?

>>54180042
Name a single instance ever in human history where even a single major city was vaporized by a weapon from the heavens that it had literally no defense against.

Just one.

When is GW going to make some big villain bundle to market against the Heroes of the Gathering Storm?

Probably just going to have some out of nowhere chaos leaders and Abaddon.

>>54180057
I'm not sure what particular event this is a reference to, so probably not.

>>54179969
You do realised that this sort of thing has actually happend

>>54180056
What was that about moving the goalposts? Refresh me, I forgot.

>>54180043
>Literally so retarded he's arguing nations wouldn't surrender to a foe they literally cannot scratch as he annihilates their civilization.
>Accuses others of being wrong.
Toppest of keks.

>>54180059
>What are Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

>>54180065
The discussion of Rogue Traders started in >>54179167, with the exploration and conquering of new worlds. The one who whined and made it all about gold is you. You could force the United States to surrender with a single bomb if all you wanted out of the peace treaty was ten bucks.

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>>54180062
I know you're too young to remember because you weren't born yet.

But that's Dick Cheney. It's a shopped image referencing how he was behind the war in iraq after 9/11, he was the one that pushed bush to go to war over "weapons of mass destruction" that didn't actually exist.

>No Refunds
References how there were no refunds to the american people for all the money and lives lost invading some arbitrary dirty little shit hole in the middle east that not only had nothing to do with 9/11 but also didn't have weapons of mass destruction.

This will be on the finale so make sure you're taking notes.

>>54180083
>sprinting in the other direction with the posts, the net, the ball

>>54180061
Morty bundle ...soon ?

>>54180087
We can't all be experts on the political memes of your big and dysfunctional country.

>>54180097
I've never wanted to play DG in my life and GW has successfully convinced me to at least check them out. The hype is real.

>>54180056
>"Surrender to my conquest or die."
>"We won't surrender."
>*boom*
>"Next guy in line, surrender to my conquest or die."
>"I find your proposal eminently reasonable!"

>>54179969
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ICilIj6WVX

>>54180056
Depends on whether you want to actually change regimes, or just want to periodically tithe the place.

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>>54180082
Tell me how the japanese are literally defenseless from B-29's I'd love to hear it.

Oh would you look at that, LITERALLY a video of a B-29 the japanese shot down well boy howdy your face must be red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ged0wsMJ12k

>>54180110
HE LITERALLY SENT US A VOICE CHAT MESSAGE ON XBOX TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF

>>54179969
>>54180110
and in context this isn't even an enemy nuking cities
this is a government causing the deaths of HUGE swathes of its own population

>>54180125
It's one minute of a 1 hour talk from years ago

>>54180097
Morty comes in the second book!

We need a new Fabius Bile or some super ugly beefy heretek to go against Cawl. Then maybe some corrupted inquisitor or alpha level renegade psyker.

>>54179318
This is very wrong

>>54180093
Most wars were not fought over a pot of gold.

>>54180109
>"Next guy in line, surrender to my conquest or die."
>"I find your proposal eminently reasonable!"
Depending on the zeal of the populace, the war could end there - as the citizens of the world trade one shitty overlord for another who they don't really care for - or the war could go on for years, as someone shoots the person who negotiated the surrender and starts a gureilla warfare campaign. The Imperial Navy regularly dispatches battlefleets carrying superheavy companies to put down rebellions when they happen. Some people don't go down easy.

>>54180139

Fabius would probably need to make himself huge in order to compete with Cawl. I want to see him go Hulk and try to fight him.

>>54179806
That's a pretty neat chaos marine.

Though that's a bit too spiky, even for chaos.

>>54178742
>no you must paint your models according to existing chapters. you can't make up stories for your little plastic dudes. everything must be canon.
>calling others autistic
kys

>>54180126
>a government causing the deaths of HUGE swathes of its own population
you mean
>My fellow Americans, I come before you today to warn you all of the alien menace that is as we speak committing genocide against the good people of our country. All attempts at negotiation and surrender have failed. We do not know what these creatures want from us, they show no sign of desires as they continue their wanton destruction of our country. I ask you now to look to your families, your friends, and to persevere in the name of God and of these great United States. God have mercy on us all.

>>54180134
And it also didn't have anything to do with the question at hand. Of course marxists always murder their own people. Of course they are proud of it. That doesn't have anything to do with countries not giving up if a space laser is raping their cities.

The people who are being raped to death by the millions by their own marxist government TRY to give up. The government installs a fucking ton of walls with razor wire on them to keep them from running away. Every single day they go to work in the slave factories under threat of execution and then get executed anyway for wrongthink is them proving that human nature is to give up when faced with insurmountable odds.

Couple of questions

First of all, how does OP's picture work? It seems the surface is too uneven for transfers, even if it's tau vehicle.

Secondly, I'm starting Thousand sons. What's the optimal Rubric unit configuration?

5 min smite dispensers, 10 man, flamer/boltgun/soulreaper cannon dispenser in Rhinos, or 20 man blob?

>>54180120
Japanese air force and defenses were completely annihilated by the end stages of the war, they had no power to stop a third atomic bombing and knew it.

>>54180126
>A leader is ok killing chunks of his population to achieve his goals
>This clearly means he's okay getting himself and is country vaporized in a pointless act of defiance
This is what autism looks like.

>>54180144
It'd also be pretty easy to support a friendly regime to do most of the grunt work for you. China would be pretty happy to rule the world in exchange for paying the imperial tithe.

>>54180157
But the "aliens" are humans from the future and their demands for material wealth are very clear. I'm pretty sure they could just use their vox casters to call down to every radio on earth "hey monkey men give us your gold now"

>>54180165
>literally no defense
>they had a defense

They also knew that if they didn't surrender it wouldn't be another atomic bomb dropping, it would be parachutes and landing craft. American boots on japanese throats. And every man woman and child on the mainland of japan would be put down by american soldiers weary of war and angry and shit about Iwo, Peleliu, Guadalcanal, Okinawa, Saipan, Tarawa, Wake, and every other shitty little island in the pacific.

>>54180144
>Populace is being troublesome
>wellokay.jpg
>Rains orbital death on their population centers for a few days, utterly wiping the group from existence
>"Anyone else want to try?"

>>54180174
Sure thing space fascists, let me just load my gold into my personal teleporter and send it right up to you. Don't mind my pleb neighbors, they can only afford rocketships so their payment will be late.

>>54180204
THIS NEVER WORKS OKAY NOBODY EVER DOES WHAT YOU TELL THEM IF YOU THREATEN TO KILL THEM

>>54180139
New Typhus.
Seriously that guy is like a giant pool of jizz and shit and space AIDS and all kind of space diseases you could think of.

>>54180204
Is that why america has no soldiers whatsoever in korea, iraq, afganistan, libya, germany, and japan?

>>54180213
"NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT DON'T LAUNCH A ROCKET AT US THAT YOU CLAIM IS FULL OF GOLD OR WE WILL BEAM YOU AGAIN. SET ALL YOUR GOLD ON THE GROUND IN A BIG PILE AND WE WILL TELEPORT IT UP"

man I thought I was in 40kg not /pol/ general

>>54180204
>Rains orbital death on their population centers for a few days, utterly wiping the group from existence
A single Rogue Trader is unlikely to be able to vaporize an entire city (certainly not a hive of any reasonable size), and unlikely to have the power sources available to keep lance batteries going around the clock. It takes battlefleets to actually destroy cities and kill everyone in them. Reducing a city to ruins is not the same thing.

>>54180197
>he thinks Operation Downfall was ever going to happen

They were planning on repeatedly bombing Japan until they surrendered. They even had the next few targets picked out.

>>54180239
Eurocucks just can't seem to help themselves

>>54180157 >>54180161 >>54180165
The point you should have learned is that there are many occasions where leaders or governments are completely ok with the deaths of half of the population of their countries.
If not for their loss of power, they might not care at all.

As I said, it depends entirely on the politics whether or not they relent.

>>54180218
The point being argued is not that it never works but that it always works, which is obviously horse shit.
But I'm sure you'll respond with some stupid and illiterate response about "there were no space laser beams!!!"

>>54180152
Or he just rides around on some mutated hyper clone of Ferrus.

>nurgle and khorne get their own fucking STARTER boxes
>Tzeentch gets a whole shitty lore event
>Slannesh gets dick despite being the most lore significant chaos god

I can't stand much more child friendly life

>>54180250
>eurocuck proving that he just can't help himself

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>>54180255
>>Slannesh gets dick

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>>54180174
>"hey monkey men give us your gold now"
>Come and take it
I seem to remember another impossibly large army with an overwhelming military force that killed a king and yet the state that king ruled refused to surrender.

Meh, that foreign army probably just wiped out their city of boyfuckers and set everyone on that entire penisula in line.

>>54180255
Who the fuck said Slaanesh isn't getting anything? GW is clearly supporting them as they were heavily featured in the Dark Imperium book, if they wanted to squat them they would have left that part out.

>>54180243
>They were planning on repeatedly bombing Japan until they surrendered. They even had the next few targets picked out.
No, they didn't. The next targets they picked out were in Kyushu, and they were military targets, in preparation for land invasion. One does not retain millions of soldiers, construct dozens of airfields and continue churning out hundreds of warships and thousands of landing craft in preparation for nothing.

>>54180255
Sure he's pissed the eldar are trying to kill him with a death god.

>>54180267
that was all propaganda you have no proof america was still producing warships that late in the war.

>>54180270
>Eurocuck just can't help himself
Ironic given that you guys surrender constantly to way smaller threats than space lasers

>>54180240
We don't have all of the fancy shields and archeotech defenses that would protect us.
And there's till the fact that we can't hurt the Rouge Trader back.
All he'd have to do is fire a broadside every now and then, and then wait for the lances to charge back up.

Thread detailed. Abort abort.

>>54180290
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>>54180247
Hello

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>>54180278
>literally squatted in Age of Skub
>Eldar preparing to squat her in 40k too

>>54180298
>history major puts his major to use and derails a 40k thread
Neat.

>>54180270
If the Persians had access to aircraft and artillery they'd have just bombed the pass until there wasn't anything left.
Why engage a ground target if you can just destroy it from afar if you have no interest in prisoners?

>>54180283
They were literally in the middle of assembling a 3rd bomb when Japan surrendered. For fucks sake, this shit was delassified ages ago.

>>54180305
>her
Nice try

>>54180309
What else is he going no to do with it, teach?

>>54180287
Do you have any references on hand that suggest that Downfall was not going to happen? I consider Hell to Pay an accurate summary of primary sources of the time.

>>54180314
>They were literally in the middle of assembling a 3rd bomb when Japan surrendered.
Yes. We were ready to have up to ten by the time it was go time for the invasion. What's your point?

>>54180298
Honestly I'd much rather it be this than the usual onslaught of shitposting we get.

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>>54180301
Trust me i wish the other guy(s) would just fuck off or talk about 40k, it's true though, recently at early Euro/mid aus hours we become a /pol/ shitfest

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Necron or Khorne Marines?
Which one is more fun on the table?

>mfw trying to choose

>>54180239
Yeah, it's getting kinda hard to find the posts about space demons and space nazis I come here for.

On the plus side, I have a fully painted 1000 pt army ready for the weekend. Maybe I'll type up the list here in a bit.

>>54180326
You'll notice that the people screaming "abort" are the ones spamming the thread while the ones talking about rogue traders bombing modern day earth are the ones participating in the thread? I wonder what makes them think they should spam this thread?

>>54180326
You mean fights between Imperial wankers and Tau lovers?

>>54180312
Why approach the hot gates at all when they can just sail their fleet around and make landfall anywhere else on the Peloponnesian peninsula?

In point of fact that is exactly what Darius did years earlier and it fucking worked.

>>54180340
Share it with us anon, anything to combat the abhorrent shitposting of political shit

>>54180338
Ask a third party to flip a coin or something.
Let fate decide.

>>54180338
Khorne is pure melee while necrons are unkillable death robots.

Shit man, what would you like to do more, shoot lasers or chop shit up with axes?

>>54180341
But that's not what's happening, it's just autists flinging shit back and forth at each other over what they think happened during the days leading up to the end of wwII in a 40k thread.

>>54180230
If America was willing to just kill everyone in those countries our problems there would have been solved a long time ago.

>>54180338
The obvious answer is both, but I can give you some hints based on having played against cron and with khorne

Zerkers are tons of fun but I don't think they are tough enough in and of themselves to constitute a major threat to tournament-tier lists. Just like every other edition you're going to need to draw on the other strengths of your army to really win those tournament level games.

Crons on the other hand are an entire race so you have tons of options.

As far as which is more fun, that's really a personal call. CSM are really fun, Crons are really fun.

Berserkers are really damn nasty now though, running them is great.

>>54180324
>They were going to repeatedly bomb japan
>No they weren't
>Yes they were, they were making more bombs
>So they were making more bombs to bomb japan, what's your point?

What the fuck is your endgame, anon?

>>54180354
That's an excellent question, and I honestly wish there was some kind of answer to that.

>>54180240
Imperial ships come standard with weapons stronger than nukes for space combat, a Rogue Trader is likely to field ships far in excess of that.

>>54180356
>I don't like the conversation you are having better spam the thread about it
>by the way I'm the good guy here don't let anyone tell you otherwise
Wow autism

>>54180375
Them producing more bombs means they're only going to use more bombs, them constructing airfields, naval transports, and moving most of their troops from Europe to the Pacific apparently means literally nothing.

>>54180382
Fuck off, talk about rogue trader autism not history autism

>>54180375
The bombs were designated for military targets on Kyushu, not for use on population centers until the Japanese surrendered.

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>>54180375
Here is what america was planning to do after it dropped those extra bombs it was making.

Don't believe the picture? Watch the video of it happening for real as a fucking training exercise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvTd5mNRz0

54180382

(you)

>I'd rather talk about real life war time politics, but where should I post it?

>I know, I'll just go to /tg/ and ruin their thread for them

>>54180270
>Come and take it
>Orbital lance strike wipes out your city
>"Consider it taken."

>>54180405
Shitsters of Basshole

>>54180407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_GeQR8fJo

>>54180381
Modern nukes are extremely powerful even by 40k standards. If they did, and could be as easily produced as we produce them today, every Basilisk would fire one and nothing would be left standing.

54180411

I should've known it was you, you stupid faggot

Everytime this guy from our gaming group posts pictures of his army, he's got three stormtalons.

Is that part of the new meta, having lots of fliers?

>>54180425
Assdeptus Shitsenioritas

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Can anyone help? I can't solve this abhuman oriented word search supplied on Regimental Standard.

>>54180376
There is. Xerxes knew the greek city states were fragmented and therefore unable to put up a combined defense.

Xerxes knew that having already bribed a few city states into submission, he could simply defeat in detail, piecemeal, any of the other citystates, like sparta, that wouldn't surrender.

And he was absolutely right.

Until the very moment Leonidas, his spartans, and some thebans died at the hot gates. That sent a very clear message to the independent citystates of greece: Unite or be conquered.

And so they united.

Xerxes got goaded into a battle he didn't know the objective of. He unwittingly united greece against himself.

>>54180415
if they existed*

The point being that nukes don't exist in 40k or else you'd just neatly remove battle barges from existence by boarding them with backpack nukes and setting them off.

>>54180401
That picture is shopped though.

Not only did they not have color camera's in the 40's they wouldn't be marching a bunch of fucking soldiers into a radioactive blast site are you fucking insane?

>>54180452
>nukes don't exist in 40k
Fucking hell anon, how do you know this little about the lore?

>>54180446
But what about the plot to the 300 sequel?

>>54180464
>they wouldn't be marching a bunch of fucking soldiers into a radioactive blast site are you fucking insane?
People didn't understand the nature of radioactive fallout for years.

>>54180471
What type of idiot would watch the sequel to 300?

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>>54180443
Assisting you would be aiding and abetting a mutant, which is HERESY. And besides, I wouldn't commit heresy for anything less than a catgirl.

>>54180469
I thought the whole point of this autistic thread was that the threat of complete destruction from superweapons could convince even fanatical leaders to stand down for the sake of their citizens.

>>54180452
>nukes don't exist in 40k
Atomic weapons absolutely exist in universe, they just never put them in the game itself.

>>54180443
>ZUN

Good to see 2hu lives on in the grimdark future.

>>54180464
Color photography existed well before the 1940s.