Horus Heresy General /hhg/

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>>54173100
First for best primarch.

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>>54173100
>Primarchs are forbidden helmets
Helmets a best

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>>54173169
The fact FW couldn't put helmets with the primarchs as alternative head options, is heretical.

>>54173224
They'll do it eventually, they said.

>>54173100
>Rolled 17 (1d26)
The Dark Gods have willed the WB get this thread!

>>54173253
So, after the Knights', Primarch heads will be FW's next line?

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>>54173224
It's hard to understand when we already have models for some of the helms.

>>54173282
People actually want those. So no.

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>>54172910
https://archive.org/details/kingleopoldssol00twaigoog
The waffle people are violent.

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>>54173293
So Lion, Primarch of the First, wears a Sarum-style helmet? Not even a lion, knightly or arboreal :^) motif to it, just a regular marine helm with wings?

>>54173253
>release primarch helmets
>£15 a piece
>a load of hits and misses
>none look like the ones we already have models for
>each will be at the top of the sales list for a few months

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>>54173386
Do these fit?

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>>54173428
They look like rejected General Grievous models.

>>54173383
The world may never understand this.

>>54173383
>>54173531
Do you think all those severed hands and arms that belonged to Catholic saints and are now on display in churches are authentic?

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>>54173445
It's been so long since I've seen this meme. Feels good.
>>54173563
If it belonged to a Belgian saint it probably came from the Congo.

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>>54173580

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>>54173980

If your army has several squads with meltabombs (outriders, attack bikes, assault marines, vets), do you need lascannons?

The new Custodes dread fluff says it has armour personally forged by the Emperor and that there's "less than a handful" operational, plus that they can't use every chassis due to lack of qualified pilots because they're so massively snowflake.

Wouldn't that essentially make them rarer than Primarchs? Two Custodes armies fighting each other could basically deploy most or all of the Telemons that exist.

There's another thing to go on the "gain immense satisfaction when oneshot by Hoplites or Gravidons" list, along with Leviathans, Primarchs and Spartans. Seems to me a Mechanicum, Militia or SA army wins even when it's tabled fluffwise, they're almost entirely replaceable and each Marine or Custodes casualty is worth a significant chunk of their entire army, Custodes especially. Makes killing them all the more satisfying.

>>54173980
>>54174091
I genuinely feel sorry for Iron Warriors having such a shit primarch. At least Angron was fairly bro-tier to his men most of the time and only murdered seven captains rather than 10% of his legion when he first joined.

>>54174145
>paying for each guy in your squad to have melta bombs when you can have precisely one dude use it per turn
>>54174163
Someone mentioned that there was only 6 at some point I think.
Plus Primarchs are common as fuck, I hear one legion got a two-for-one special one them.

>>54174205
Better dead than nailed.

>>54174163
This is why I like playing Guard/Militia. Even when I lose, I feel like my guys did a good job taking down so many demigods/super-soldiers/murderous killbots.

Plus the situations where a particularly heroic mini manages to kill something completely out of it's weight class occur more often, if only because more things are out of their weight class.

>>54174219
The 40k FAQ is no longer official, right?

Though we won't really know until that FW rulebook comes out.

>>54174254
>The 40k FAQ is no longer official, right?
Why wouldn't it be?

>>54174231
A lot of the World Eaters are pretty happy-go-lucky about the whole thing. The Iron Warriors are all genuinely miserable.

>>54174234
Yeah, that's always fun. I remember fondly the one basic Skitarii Vanguard I had that once killed a Biker Librarian and his Biker Sarge friend in one particularly epic Radium Carbine burst. I promoted him to Alpha, he's now leading my second Vanguard squad.

The best thing ever is swarming a Primarchstar with a big blob of Levies and watch the poor, poor denigod die under the weight of cloned cannon fodder dropped onto planets in the hundred thousand.

>>54174304
THe Iron Warriors LIKE being miserable.

>>54174163
>Seems to me a Mechanicum, Militia or SA army wins even when it's tabled fluffwise
>gets tabled
>Y-you didn't win!
That just sounds kind of pathetic desu.

>>54173980
I missed them. Beep boop, Anon. Beep boop.

>>54174530
But anon, if you kill your enemies, they win.

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>>54174530
Defence in depth motherfucker.

>>54175025
>lose a million men taking a city defended by the old, the infirm and the young

The Soviets jobbed even more then the Night Lords.

>>54175569
They did. Drove into minefields and all that because they were in such a hurry to beat the Western Allies to it (and possibly drunk).

>>54173224
i wish angron had a helmeted head :^/

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>>54177256
:^)

>>54174205
>Angron was fairly bro-tier to his men
Angron always treated his Astartes with scorn and hostility. He was the exact opposite of bro-tier. The only time he ever showed a World Eater warmth was on Isstvan III as the marine lay broken and dying at his Primarch's hand. I found it funny how everyone pitied the Devourers who had to be around him all the time.

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Does anyone have the leman russ incinerator? just putting mine together and the fucking back of the turret rubs into the spot where the hull starts going up to the air filter.
Is this fucking intentional?

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Beep boop fuck the wolves

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>>54174205
Eh, both are correct to an extent, but on different periods of time.
Angron was raised as a slave fighter, that was all he ever knew, and instead of being gloriously reunited with his legion like the other Primarchs were, he was kidnapped and forced into a different kind of slavery.
Stolen from his brothers and sisters, denied respite from constant pain, the Emperor ordered he had to be convinced to accept the XIIth, because He wasn't going to take a no for an answer.
Only because the legions are a brotherhood of warriors was Angron convinced to stay, only because he was ordered to slay the enemies that opressed mankind did he follow the command. He understood his legion's ignorance and love for him, and accepted their love, setting to teach them what he knew

That was back when he was sane

Angron was dying. Quite literally; he wasn't going to survive the crusade, and his mind was going to last even less than his body. And last less it did. By the time of the heresy Angron, who had appreciated the legion's intention with the terminator bodyguard, literally could not remember what it had been for. Memories, love and understanding, fading away under the scars of a brain that was continually dying.
That is his excuse.
He's not a Primarch, not since he was a child.
He's the corpse of a man forgetting he ever was a man to begin with, only violence and pain remains.
That and the damn buzzing behind his ears that never appears to end...

>>54178929
ive always wondered; what would've happened if angron never had the nails in the first place? how different would he be?

>>54178482
>I found it funny how everyone pitied the Devourers who had to be around him all the time.
Everyone pitied the Devourers because they were his (self-appointed) bodyguard unit and he just ditched them at every opportunity because they were too slow.

>>54178929
>He's the corpse of a man forgetting he ever was a man to begin with, only violence and pain remains.
>That and the damn buzzing behind his ears that never appears to end...
He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology.

>>54178929
He'd be a champion. A warrior of unparalleled skill and ferocity, but possessed of an unrivaled charisma. Enemies would set aside their strife to fight alongside him and warriors would fight to the death for the honor of fighting alongside him through even the most doomed of campaigns.

You can still see the dark echo of that charisma by the time of the Heresy, of the sheer force of personality that forged disparate slave gladiators into a single unified army capable of shaking a world to its foundations.

You can see it in the way that Angron imprints himself on every force assigned to the Bloody 13th. Fight alongside Angron and the XIIth and you will inevitably become a World Eater.

>>54178713
>Lack of power claw rules intensifies

>>54179342
would they fight differently? would they have the same tactics?
i love entertaining the idea of alternate heresies and stuff, its exciting and as much trouble as i have pinning down a legion to play i always enjoy the world eaters for some reason.

>>54178929
God damn, thats...thats fucking tragic man. I knew I had a soft spot for the guy for a reason

>>54175765
Drunk; fuck when were the Russians SOBER during the war? I mean in the air war over there clogged near fucking EVERYONE to below 6kft. People hitting other planes or the fucking ground was pretty common. It was a big, drunken meatgrinder fueled ib equal parts of vodka, hatred and schnapps

>>54179848
Probably fight in the same fashion, but with more restraint and nuance. Probably closer to how the Space Wolves are supposed to fight, cunning and fierce. Or maybe the World Eaters would be fierce and cunning...

>>54180036
God invented whiskey to keep the Irish from ruling the world, vodka to ensure communism failed, and tequila to laugh at college girls.

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All these fucking transfers... At least I'm getting somewhere with this big fucker.

>>54180184
God has a sense of humour I can agree with. Can I keep this?

>>54179848
>>54180184
To elaborate, fierce and cunning: Run roughshod over the over elaborate enemies, (FUCKING SPEHSS ELVES EAT SHIT), out-think the muscle dipshits, (CLEVA 'UMIE...) and a combo of both with an arguably superior legion theme and culture to the yiffs.

...Is there a chance we could do a trade with Khorne for the 12th? Big man gets his vikings, we get unfucked super gladiators

>>54179976
Angron lost all my sympathy when he ordered the Nails installed in his Legionaries.

>>54181259
The "Mars" decal looks weirdly placed. What Legio?

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Twenty more Custodes with their gold finished and it's time to move onto details.

I can't stand how my phone washes out the highlights or edging on them. Oh well

Fluffwise are legion companies always 100 astartes strong? Or would they vary in size from legion to legion and depending on their battlefield role?

>>54182525
Depends on the legion

>>54182525
The second, legions might not even use company as a standard measure.

For example the Death Guard only had seven companies for the whole legion.

>>54182500
Still loving that melt-axe.

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>>54182577
Thanks, as a follow up do praetors normally represent company captains or would they be more chapter masters/lord commanders?

>>54182761
Big time, I plan on getting two boxes of sanguniary guard for that axe head, the slim swords and the fists (and use the jump packs for a WE assault squad). Though I preferred the variant where the melta barrel takes the place of the skull, which I want to utilize.
That being said, why are pyritite spears so bad? Range 6" is a bad joke, especially considering the price, nevermind the general shittyness of the various guardian spears.

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>>54182907
Custode-anon here. I love Adrasite Spears a bit more but promised myself I'd wait until FW made an upgrade set for them since Adrathic weapons have such a unique look anyway, and Pyrithite Spears are essentially described as just melta weapons... I'm honestly surprised we don't have plasma or graviton variations of the spears.

Pyrithite Spears are also honestly awful and overpriced compared to Adrasite Spears and their only saving grace is popping tanks easier and melting Terminators faster. I wanted some anyway because why the fuck not, but I truly doubt they'll get much use until bigger games because they are ruthlessly outperformed by a better and cheaper option. I'd probably just run them in a Coronus and fly them into vehicles or chunky units that need to be turned into molten slag before watching them get grinded down by the enemy.

Also do yourself a huge favor and just ebay the bits for them. Uses a HH pattern Meltagun barrel, the SG axeheads, and MKIV Combi Weapon energy/power packs. You'll save money for it all like I did when using the blades for my Hetaeron and the fists for my Sentinels. Be a bit warned however, cutting out the skull leaves the axe head VERY flimsy and it's why I scrubbed removing the skull after one model and am using it on a one-off.

>>54182855
Again the answer is depends, Emperors Children had thirty Millennials each lead by a Lord Commander who was a Praetor equivalent in rank if not always in skill. While the Death Guard, as I mentioned above, only have seven companies and each of them had a Praetor rank equivalent commander.

Basically table top =/= fluff so if you want your company captain to be a generic dude make him a Centurion or Delegatus but if you want a more badass commander use a Praetor.

I use a Praetor for my Dark Angels Paladin-Captain.

>>54183027
>this melta weapon is overpriced unless you use it to do things melta weapons are supposed to do
No fucking shit.

>>54183097
Thanks for being a smartass, fuckwit.

It's called stating the obvious.

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Hey guys, can I get some feedback on my 2.5k Custodes list? Looking for something fun and aggressive.

HQ: Constantin Valdor (All Legio Custode models now have Teleportation Transponders) 275pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ TL-Adrathic Destructors and a Dreadspear 270pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Telemon Heavy Dreadnought w/ an Arachnus Storm Cannon 330pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Twin-Linked Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Twin-Linked Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Total = 2,500 points

>>54183131
>fun
for you

>aggressive
they are custodes

>>54183027
Another Custard here; I fully agree on your assessment of the melta spears. I mean, the spears are just as bad as guardian spears in melee (relative to sentinel blades & praesidium shields, obviously), but at range the deathray spear is so much better, it's silly. I'll take wounding on a 3+ instead of 2+ as a tradeof for better rules, more range and lower cost in a heartbeat.
More spear variants would be cool, I'd love a variant with a handflamer stuck on top.
As an aside, I'm sitting on four otherwise useless boxes of sanguniary guard here, just for the axes and that one elegant blade. Not that I mind the cost, it supports the flgs after all, but those kits just take up space...

>>54183097
Here's the thing, it's a melta that's pretty shit at doing melta things unless you go out of your way to wrangle it into that role.

>>54183131
>taking both Constantin and a Coronus
But why.

>>54183131
All custodes lists are hyper-agressive by nature, so you got that covered.
I'd maybe swith the Sentinels and the Guardians in the transport. Sentinels are better at DSing.

>>54183178
Coronus can deepstrike with the army, outflank, or start on the table. They act as big scary gunboats and are invaluable for helping squishier units whilst also providing some great firepower. Think the lovechild of a Razorback and a Land Raider. Also incredibly useful to protect your freshly dropped units from being template fodder.

I already played two games where everyone deepstruck but the Coronus pair(I want two more for a total of four), who chose to outflank and bulldozed from behind enemy lines without fear of scatter, whilst also being gigantic and scary looking boxes.

>>54183197
Not a bad idea; I usually put them in the Coronus to run and grab objectives while making them hard as shit to kill or throw a Guardian squad in with an HQ for meat protection and transportation.

These threads are slow as fuck and extremely low quality. What's happened to this place?

>>54183442
It's almost this is a thread dedicated to expansion of a game that has moved on without us, and now we're in some wierd limbo where the only guy who gave a shit about it died.

>>54183442
The inevitable drop in posting between book releases and posts like yours, say something interesting or fuck off, stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution, be the change you want to see etc.

>>54178951
Super-Spartacus.

>>54183442
All 8E and no new book makes Anon a dull boy

>>54183442
ded edition, ded designer, ded game

>>54183442
>What's happened to this place?
(You)

>>54180036
>when were the Russians SOBER during the war?
If you count the Pacific theatre for them, the 10th of May 1945 might count.
Certainly did in Moscow, where the news of Nazi surrender hit the city at 1am on the 9th...by the 10th the entire city had run out of vodka.


Which legion (or harder, which legion with rules and units) would you say is the least played, and why?

>>54183131
How are Telemon dreads justified when one can take a Knight Errant for about the same price?

>>54183442
Alan Bligh died, and with him the soul of 30k.

Angelus will be the last proper book, after that prepare for faeces.

>>54178951
A brilliant commander, a true Primarch. I bet he wouldn't have followed whore-us in his heresy.

>>54182855
Praetor is chapter master
Centurion is company captain
Delegatus is like first company captain

>>54183442
Slow yes, but personally I am inclined to think that quality has stayed much the same or even got a little better. Less random Primarch posting, Black Library REEE and boring same-as Legion PoTL Spartan lists going around.

>>54183027

Graviton tech used for much aside from brute-force levitiation seems to mostly be a Mars thing looking at the Graviton Imploder and Arkhan Land. Maybe with a normal Graviton Gun, though, but why would you use that, given you're firing a couple random blasts at vehicles rather than at targets you can then go choppy on?
Plasma is possible, probably just a Plasma Repeater bolted onto the end, but I imagine in order to get properly fancy plasma they'd have to go to the Ryzans, and Custodes put huge emphasis on not being at all dependent on the Mechanicum. It's why they're limited to a few thousand guys and a few overworked armourer clans.

>>54183638
They suit the army aesthetic more and a people would rage harder at a knight alongside custodes.

>>54183666
>Angelus will be the last proper book, after that prepare for faeces.
>implying it hasn't already gone to shit with Inferno

>>54183695
Inferno was only shit when facing WAAC-RAW opponents. If you play as and against a gentleman, nothing happens.
Yes, some psychic rules are a bit strong and some Custodes units are wonky, but most games feature neither of them. And if they do, you can always agree on playing fair.

>>54183690
Master of Mankind featured golden Cerastus Knights from repenting house that initially sided with Horus.

>inb4 ADB a shit

>>54183609
>Which legion (or harder, which legion with rules and units) would you say is the least played, and why?

White Scars easily.
>very little lore
>no presence in the books yet beyond barebones legion rules
>people hate painting white
>iconic unit is IRL expensive and in the wrong armour mark

>>54183739
True and that would also work but it's the same reason as why people run leviathans over knights, they look like they should be there and not just tacked onto a list.

>>54183757
If we're talking rules and units then I'd say Salamanders. I've never played against them and rarely see them mentioned on here.

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>>54183442
We've seen everything that will be released for the next 6 months, we aren't getting a new book, because of HH staying in 7th and no new plastic box we aren't getting new players
Life is suffering but that's no excuse not to post Your Dudes anon

>>54183775
>washing machine with limbs
>look like they should be there in an army of superhuman

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>>54183800

>>54183690
>implying Garro won't fuse with Ollanius Pius to defeat Horus whilst Dorn and the custodes defeat all who seek to interfere in the finale
Also is ADB guaranteed to write the last book or

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>>54183810
So the perfect form of a space marine?>>54183815
Why does he look confused and why did you put sniper lights on your sergeant, battlebrother

>>54183775
Well, and because they can be deep struck with no chance of a mishap turn one and generally rampage around being extremely boring bricks until someone gets a lucky lascannon hit in. Then again X that sums up most Marine vehicles and units, if you disregard the Deep Strike.

>>54183825
Abbaddaboo thinks it'll be Abnett.

>>54183839
He just looks in envy at the siege breaker.

They're not done yet, still need cleanup, highlights and eye lenses. But.. sniper lights? Elaborate.

>>54178951
Probably team up with Russ to kick Horus' teeth in. Emps lives. Warhammer High happens.

>>54183867
>Horus let out a wet leopard growl as he leapt towards the Emperor

>>54183935
>ywn read about bro!angron and russ' bants while they road trip around the galaxy fucking up word bearers

>>54183799
>army that wants to be up close and personal with the enemy
>but should never, ever get into close combat (apart from firedrakes obviously)
Yeah, they're weird.

>>54183952
Did Russ ever have a positive encounter with another Primarch? Why do people think he'd be a 'bro'?

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>>54183839
It was a time of much contemplation.

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>>54183839
More bitterboys on the way.

>>54183953
I actually think they're pretty good, they have some cool units like firedrakes and that fucking Dreadnought that never dies.

>>54183968
>snapped Magnus like a twig
>not a bro

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>>54183980
They look awesome.

>>54183968
>Did Russ ever have a positive encounter with another Primarch?
As far as I know all the Primarchs were indifferent or thought he was a retarded prick. Russ and Malcador seemed pretty chummy though. They'd play !NotChess together.

>>54183935
What, if the Emperor had survived the heresy hed have let Malcador go ahead with his girl Primarch fantasy?

>>54183996
>ahegao 2b
My dick was NOT prepared.

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>>54183980
>>54183980
>anvilus backpacks

>>54184045
It was mentioned in MoM, the Emperor said it wasn't right for half of humanity to not be represented so he gave Malcador the go-ahead to brew up 20 femarchs.

>>54184071
Look, while Chros Wraight might have thrown Warhammer High a bone, I severaly doubt ADB ever would.

>>54183952
This must be writefagged... I'll get on it. Give me a while.

>>54183968
Who wants to hang out with the kid who smells like wet dog?

>>54184071
[Citation needed]

>>54178557
did you add a turret ring? it might be too short otherwise

>>54184104
>ADB not being a bro

>>54175025
that drawing is beautiful, got any more?

>>54183719
>missing wargear/rules
>grammatical errors
>poorly photoshopped art
>rules vary from grossly overpowered to grossly underpowered
Remember that these books are supposed to be premium products

>>54183719
>Inferno was only shit when facing WAAC-RAW opponents
Or when facing cry babies mad about Sekhmet being able to pick their powers.

>>54184197
>>54184189
You convinced me both. Thing is, my HH meta barely uses HH7 due to no-one playing any of the armies represented there, so I notice little of the ugly stuff.

>>54183952
>implying he would stoop so low to take the knot rather than shed blood with his true brother Sanguinius
>>54183915
>sniper lights
Things that bring a sniper to attention to kill this person first
In the First World War it was a sword because only officers wielded those, here it is that Maccragian loincloth and plume. But they are modelled doubly wrong, have you no love for Olympian plumes and only Guillman's girls and Fulgrim wear loincloths

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Who was wrong here?

a) The Reaping
b) The Dreadwing
c) The Black Cull
Which army do you pick when you want to leave nothing alive?

>>54184633
The sauce. Give the sauceee! Stepan Sejic?

>>54184731
What are the last two?

>>54184769
http://saccade-rush.tumblr.com/

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>>54184731
The Ordo Reductor, anon. Don't bother with those Astartes plebs, grab the Nova Cannon and the Phosphex and the Red Cloud and burn worlds like a Magos.

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>>54184788
The Dreadwing is the destroyer and other WMDs department of the Dark Angels while the Black Cull is the same in the Space Wolves.

>>54184794
I prefer memes.

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>>54184858
I see. We need more Destroyer corps warfare.

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>>54184976
I wish those guys were worth taking. Look at that fancy gear, you're telling me that can't count as Artificer Armour for about 28ppm even before Dark Channelling or Power Axes? So cool, but sadly running the 20 of them I want to is equivalent to complete suicide.

>>54184858

Seems a bit of a waste for a Legion to have a War Crimes department when there are specialists for that and there are so few Marines anyway. You think they ever meet up for CompleteMonsterCon, where the Reductor, Dreadwing, Custodes Weaponsmiths, Black Cull, Ashen Circle and general Destroyers meet up to discuss new ways of murdering people horrifically?

>>54185074
What a lame looking character. He's wearing a patterned nightgown.

>>54185074
>Seems a bit of a waste for a Legion to have a War Crimes department when there are specialists for that and there are so few Marines anyway.
Not when the legions are turned against the roboys.
They should definitely organise some meetings. Add Lyssatra and Pyroclasts in there.

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>>54179342
>they were his (self-appointed) bodyguard unit and he just ditched them at every opportunity because they were too slow.

I loved this, it was hilarious.

World Eaters are dysfunctional as fuck but they've got a sort of charm in their nihilistic/self-destructive culture.

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>>54178951
I like to think he'd have been one of the few truly heroic primarchs, maybe similar to Vulkan.

Still ultra-violent but with a great hatred of autocracy, unearned privilege/rank and a connection with the oppressed masses of Imperial society. Probably would have still had Russ sicked on him, but for different reasons, and Russ might not have done so well against a sane World Eater primarch.

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>>54185103
Admittedly he did just get his ship shot down by the entire Traitor fleet, land on Istvaan III, fight there for months, build a warp bomb from his drop pod, hijack two Land Raiders, a Fellblade and a starship and rebuild his crippled DG buddy into a fuckawesome psyker cyborg. He probably didn't have much time to patch his robes during all that.

He does look a little dull, but I kinda like that he isn't outrageously overcomplicated like Cawl. He does his fighting with his brain and his REEEE.

>>54185146

Reductor vs. Legion Doom Corps. I am totally all for that as a campaign book. Set it in some poor, poor neutral solar system somewhere and just watch the world burn. Reductor would probably win, given they have the megabullshit fleets and a considerably larger pile of goodies just from sheer scale, but my god would it be a battle.

My bet is on it ending with someone tossing a Commonwealth Saga-style Nova Bomb into the star or something and just murdering everyone not running instantly. You'd have some normal Tacticals or Cybernetica or something trying to help and just having everyone tell you "Sorry, out of your league. Go home, the big boys are playing" before laying down plans for the next three Ordinatii.

>>54181590
He genuinely believed it'd make them better fighters, and his lost 'brothers and sisters' all had the actual DAoT nails installed in them, so maybe it was his attempt to connect with his sons in the same way.

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>>54185146
Add the Stor-Bezahsk as well
>Direct battlefield command of the IW's YUUUUGE stockpiles of nukes, phosphex reserves and gravitic munitions

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More bitterboys!

>>54185199
So why didn't the devourers just switch out their terminator armour for some jump packs so they could keep up with daddy?
>this clearly isn't working, angron just runs away from us
>should we try something different?
>no no, let's continue plodding about in this slow, clunky armour

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>>54185394
Not everybody can be a Blood Angel, anon. Unless you're an EC or UM, those guys can do anything.

>>54185308
He personally knew what sort of living hell the nails were and chose to subject his men to it anyway.

>>54185394
>rational decision making
>World Eaters
You may only select one.

>>54185432
>You may only select one.
Loyalist WE selected both.

Anyone getting connection errors today? (I assume this post won't make it either...)

>>54185541
Seems /tg/ fell over for a few hours earlier. It was terrible, I almost had to paint some models to pass the time.

>>54185394
Jump pack equipped guys could keep up, but they'd die so quickly they'd still be useless as a bodyguard, particularly since Angron just plowed into the largest concentration of the enemy, regular marines would get slaughtered, so he'd still be unprotected either way.

I suppose they kept the cataphractii armour because anything that managed to injure Angron would slow him down enough for them to catch up and they'd need to added strength and resilience to actually defend him against whatever was hard enough to injure a primarch.

>>54185604
How hard ARE Primarchs to injure, anyway? I know the game versions are T6/7, but if you hit a fluff one with, say, a lascannon without Kine Shields or whatever could you do a quantity of damage sufficient to cause him problems?
If so, could you theoretically kill one with enough Knights or artillery fire, or swarm him with lesser superhumans Uber-style?

>>54185684
>How hard ARE Primarchs to injure, anyway?
Depends on the author. In one book Primarch skulls are described as tougher than a terminator helmet and in the next Roboute says one bolter round to the head would kill him. It's impossible to define.

>>54185684
It varies greatly depending on the primarch, and it's part of my head canon that the more endurable ones are subconscious biomancers, since we know that they all are unconscious psykers.

Thus, why Angron can hold up 200 tons(!) and Morty can take a heavy bolter and tank shell to the face and perceives the life eater as a mere irritant, but Guilli almost got killed by bolters and Curze by a blade

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>>54185684
Although they're obviously naturally extremely resilient and able to heal from pretty much anything that doesn't pretty much instakill them, I think a lot of their battlefield resilience is their top-tier wargear. When the Alpha Legion tries to assassinate Guilliman, his mum chews out one of the Ultramarine's chapter masters for downplaying the danger he was in by saying that since he was unarmoured, all it would have taken was a single clean bolt round to the head and he'd be dead.

They didn't get a clean shot because primarchs are so fast, but I guess if there'd been a few more Alpha Legion there, they might have been able to overwhelm him. He was pretty beat up just from nine legionaries.

They're tough, but not unstoppable. Horus very nearly gets rekt by a couple of knights even in full armour.

>>54185792
>It's an 'Angron Squats a Scout Titan' novel....

Don't remind me.

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>>54185892
Marines always die so easily in the novels/artwork. A single stab wound or gunshot and they're down.

Yet it's constantly suggested that you basically have to blow them into ten seperate pieces to actually stop them

>>54185917
Angron Atlasing that Titan will always be awesome.

>>54185280
i really want to make a world eaters army off this idea, retaining the war hounds colours or something

>>54185954
Or work on them with industrial drill for couple hours.

>>54185957
If you're 6

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>>54185684
They're not that hard, but they do regenerate. Angron, whose body is constantly busy healing the damage of the Nails like Wolverine's bones are busy trying to heal the Adamantium, once cut his hands by punching the floor during his first meeting with Kharn, threw him to the wall and then the Captain noticed how Angron's hands weren't bleeding anymore. And we're talking about the Primarch who can never sleep, has random headaches that make him bleed through ears and nose and whose body is so busy surviving the Nails he actually has replacement iron teetch, like a Khornate George Washington, axe and all.
>If so, could you theoretically kill one with enough Knights or artillery fire, or swarm him with lesser superhumans Uber-style?
This is why I disagree having Sanguinius even survive a Titan lance cannon. Primarchs have gone from "Best Generals ever" to "Smart Handsome Magic Ogryns".
>>54185792
>Angron a biomancer
Kek as if. He's too angry to care. That's why he, despite being one of the most frail primarchs, has Feel no Pain

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>>54185954
>>54186013
Fuck you and that comic who made me feel sad for the nazis, that femarch, and the british.

>>54186026
>Kek as if. He's too angry to care

Then how does he survive all the shit he does?

Primarchs being unconscious psykers is canon, so him subconsciously boosting his body makes sense

>>54186023
>he doesn't think sons of the Emperor should pull off heroic feats like the demigods of Greek myth
Shit taste. Herculangron is best Angron.

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>>54185954
>Yet it's constantly suggested that you basically have to blow them into ten seperate pieces to actually stop them
I thought it was BASIC knowledge that, to deal with immortals, you just need to sever the head and burn the body. Notice how I said "to deal with", not "to kill"

>>54186075
Heroic feats like demigods is Sanguinus at the gates.

Holding up 200 tons is retarded, and you are as well if you like it.

>>54186070
Is it too much of a stretch Primarchs have a natural healing factor?
One thing is willing themselves to the extreme in extreme situations, much how regular mortals can flip cars under adrenaline, but the fact is neither Vulkan nor Mortarion are conjuring to resist heat and poison.
That's just how they are, ask the Emperor "dog-gene splicer" of Mankind.

>>54186047
I like it, even if they did have to make the allies full-retard to give Germany a fighting chance that late in 1945.

Now I imagine marines as similar to panzermensch and primarchs like battleships.

>>54186175
>Holding up 200 tons is retarded
I believe the floor being able to survive 200 tons applied in the area of two size 28 feet

>>54186186
All the Primarchs have a immaterial element to them, even if they aren't active psykers. Emperor used warp-hax to create them, it's not much of a stretch for their healing to be augmented by energy drawn from the warp.

>>54186186
Natural healing factor explains Guilliman surviving a few hours in outer space without a helmet, or Lorgar getting plasma'd.

It does not explain benching a war hound, or surviving a tank shell at point blank range, which are just physically impossible.

>>54186175
>Holding up 200 tons is retarded, and you are as well if you like it.
The Primarchs were created from Chaos juice and are all psykers with the capability to tap into the infinite energy of the Warp. They're literally magic superhuman demigods so take your "muh realism" elsewhere.

>>54186209
Battleship SiegDorn did lose its hand to a massed heretic legionnairemensch attack.

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>>54186237
Imperial cities are built to last. Ceramite roadways.

Explains why Titans can maneuver in cities in the first place without sinking into the ground with every step and crashing through into basements, sewers and other subterranian infrastructure.

>>54186175
>only the supra-heroic feats I like are heroic, all the others are for babies
Well guess what anon, I have a different opinion to you, what now?

>>54186186
Khan keeps having to re-scar himself cause he keeps healing.

>>54186262
Then why not have Sangy wreck battleships by diving headfirst into them, if anything goes?

It's not about much realism, we're talking about a series that has a 12 m tall red wizard, angron's feat is just stupid and has no other purpose than showcasing how "le badass" he is.

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>>54186282
Wouldn't work with primarch/legionaries, legionaries don't have eye-lazers.

Well, most don't.

>>54186323
>has no other purpose than showcasing how "le badass" he is.
100% of warhammer is showcasing how ""le badass"" various people are, what's your point?

>>54186296
No, Sanguinus at the gates, while still fantastic, is still theoretically viable (Horatius Cocles).

Angron not only surviving, but lifting 200 tons, is transformers shit. And I wouldn't even have a problem with it, if the HH series didn't take itself so seriously.

>>54186365
Within a reasonable limit.

>>54186323
>Then why not have Sangy wreck battleships by diving headfirst into them, if anything goes?
Doesn't he rip an Eldar titan apart with his bare hands?

>angron's feat is just stupid and has no other purpose than showcasing how "le badass" he is
I don't think it was stupid. That scene was fun and heroic. It served a purpose in the story by showing that Angron cared for his brother and allowed Lorgar to repay the favour by helping him ascend.

If you're going to argue physics (which is irrelevant because magic) Warhounds shouldn't even be able to walk.

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>>54186441
Sanguinius is fucking nuts.

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>>54186441
>Doesn't he rip an Eldar titan apart with his bare hands?

Yeah, he pulls it's head off.

Don't fuck with angels man.

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>>54186237
I did wonder about that. There should have been a neat Angron-shaped cutout in the ground with a couple Primarch hands flush with it. I think the early lore for Terminators did say they could take being stepped on by a Titan, but they'd be stuck in the compacted ground and pretty useless until somebody dug them out.

>>54185792

That actually makes a lot of sense. I could see a Mechanicum Anti-Psyker squad of Fulgurites with Null Rods Morris-Dancing a Primarch to death, now. It's a fun mental image.

>>54185954

Yeah, that always surprised me. Maybe it's like the Panzermench, where they die to eye wounds while charging muh lazors because they overload without discharge, but we always see them charging straight into hails of fire with the full lightning eyes thing and not one of them ever catches a shell fragment or something. It doesn't take much to mission-kill a Marine, just a lot to ACTUALLY kill them because Sus-an membrane and improved regen. Also because having the perfect soldiers of plot go down to to random explosions and such smashing them against the inside of their armour and breaking most of their bones isn't dramatic enough.

>>54186047

Yeah, I always thought that us Brits got kinda whaled on there. I guess it couldn't really have gone any other way, though, and Churchill had a proper dignified death. Also, Uber Turing Hell Yes.
Although what the actual FUCK, Sieglinde? Colossus was down after you Abbadoned him, you could have just pushed him over to deny Halo Effect and called it quits, you didn't have to turn him into modern art for lulzies. I thought she was at least somewhat decent for a Nazi.

>>54186250
It is my belief (completely biased and personal) that the warp element allows them to perform unlikely feats when displaying extreme concentration or emotions, like Russ's anger killing warp-sensitive marines, or Horus & Mortarion being able to sneak past Sanguinius'/Custodian guards, Corax being literally invisible at will or Goku's anger lifting stones are all product of the warp in them. "Primarchs were known for being wherever their will took them", and what is warp if not a force of will

About their other feats, I feel they can be explained from a speculative science's point of view, if only because I have imagination. Mortarion wears a shirt to a contaminated zone where even a fellow primarch needs a full environmental suit just because that's how his flesh is. About Angron I don't know. Mortal femurs can already withstand 205 MPA (concrete is 40), so his own genenhanced-genehnanced bones would be even better, but it could very well be warp-assisted (Unholy assistance :^)).

As for Guilliman, it's obvious the Emperor has both STC and SCP knowledge. Read this excerpt of an SCP that grants knowledge (that the user can't teach) to whoever steps inside of it
>Experiment-189: Subject D-9843 was exposed to SCP-028. ████/03/19 11:46
>Examination of subject revealed abnormal respiratory actions. ████/03/19 13:37
>Questioning revealed subject had learned to recycle the carbon dioxide inside his body. ████/03/19 17:21
>Repeated attempts to teach skill to other D-class personnel failed. ████/03/24 12:11
>Subject terminated. ████/07/18 15:03
>Autopsy reveals no abnormal organ formations. ████/07/18 18:37
>Researchers notes: Dr. ████████ █████: Seriously, how the hell did he do that?
SCP 028 "Knowledge"
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-028

>>54186667
>a proper dignified death
>head torn off and mounted on Nelson's Column
>dignified

wat

>>54186323
>Then why not have Sangy wreck battleships by diving headfirst into them
Because he's not Guilliman and can't breathe in space.

>>54186728
Not what Sieglinde did to him afterwards, you dolt.

>Does not suicide despite long history of depression.
>Refuses to run pointlessly or to compromise war effort to save himself.
>Lights Cigar.
>Greets approaching enraged Femarch there to kill him with "Get a move on, girl, we haven't got all day".

>>54186338
Remember the Tankman<Heavy<Blitzman<Tankman counter triangle?
Imperial psykers can very well reach Blitzman levels, and regular space marines surpass Heavy's resilience due to their better armour without having overstrained knees. Having those two, why would you wank Tank men?
>>54186667
>Mechanicum Anti-Psyker squad of Fulgurites with Null Rods
Why must you scare me so? Speaking of Uber Turing...is there any example EVER of a Psychic Magos?
I mean, marines have had Chapter master Librarians, they really do have everything.
Sieglinde should have died to Colossus. She survived only because the author knew we were expecting her to die. And then after the British raid. I was sad to know Karla truly had it coming, but at least so did she.
>>54186728
>>54186839
He's not a running man :^)

>>54186023
The scene was good and wrapped up the angsty Angron quite nicely

>>54186897
I suspect there is the odd psyker techpriest, but I would imagine the instability that comes with sufficiently powerful psychic powers would compromise the iron self-control needed to handle the Mech expanded mentalities and Noospheric links at any high level, AKA they wouldn't get far even without being purged.
My headcanon is that they're mostly sent to the Psy-Titan Legions.

Brit Tears had to be replaced with whiskey after reading that issue, I will admit. Hit me almost as hard as Logan, and I know it's cliche but I normally don't get that emotional at movies and such. Personally I'm a little sore that Katyusha didn't kill her off outright, or at least that Colossus got the blow in that made her a paraplegic and then died when going in for the kill, rather than for some reason trying to CC a Battleship from the front while knowing he's in Glass Cannon mode and not doing much damage with the chokehold.

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>>54186897
Panzermensch would shit all over marines. Marines are tough but they can't buckle 75mm gun barrels with their bare hands or melt through inches of hardened steel with their eyes.

>>54186897
Colossus wasn't fully activated, they didn't discover the technology to test how many activations were needed until after. He was probably only cruiser-tier when he went up against Sieglinde.

>>54187256
>Marines are tough but they can't buckle 75mm gun barrels with their bare hands or melt through inches of hardened steel with their eyes.

Read Call of the Lion. They do exactly that. They use spit for the latter though.

>>54185506
Go home Locke, an absolutist is the antithesis of human identity

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>>54187288
I think I recall them saying "those guys had 2 activations, you'll have two dozen". And then a dude with only one tries lifting a car but his arms snap off.
>>54187256
Kek do gun barrels even bend that way? And I never claimed marines could shoot beams through their eyes, although >>54187332 reminds us they still have some tricks.
But you must remember how Heavies shit on regular Tank men. Now give them real power armour instead of mere ablative sheet metal. Now give them power weapons instead of their mere fists.
Marines shit on tank men, and they're fucked up by Blitz men the same way they're fucked up by witches. Luckily those still die to bolter fire and grenades.

>>54185684
Well in betrayer it seems Angron would have died to one wolf packs bolters after killing Russ but then again it is Angron

>>54186175
But is Angron holding up 200 tons, or is his armor?

An 8"-diameter (200mm) pipe with a wall thickness of 1/2" (12.7mm) can hold up 200 tons without buckling. I'm not saying that's useful information, but I have it on hand. Just imagine Angron is a series of tubes.

not sure if this is the right thread to ask but where can a brotha get the HH audiobooks without shilling out an ungodly amount for them?

i managed to get hold of horus rising but the rest are eluding me

>>54186250
In Betrayer you can just hand-wave it as Lorgar's orchestral work giving him and Angron warp-based power that they're not even aware of. Or super-duper armor - which doesn't help when Lorgar gets plasma'd in the face, but we can just say that the shot wasn't a direct hit and it diffuses quickly.

They really should wear helmets.

>>54187976
You (or someone similar) has asked the same thing in every thread for a week and by now it should be clear that we don't know.

>>54188033
aight, my bad, i don't follow these threads all that often

>>54187976
>https://pirateproxy.cc/torrent/14053230/Horus_Heresy_almost_complete_serie

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>>54188101
>didn't actually search by series name

i'm a retard, thanks man

>>54188129
np, if you click the 'warhammer' tag, you can find some of the more recent audiobooks that aren't in that file due to it's age.

How am I supposed to run daemons with my word bearers now

>>54188176
Use the 7th Ed book or wait until Angelus is out.

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I finally got my BaC box (gift form my boss at LGS), and I'm starting Thousand Sons army, but I have no idea about what do I want to include - what weapons, what types of squads etc.
Are there some cookie cutter units for T-Sons I could start working on?
Is there any point to magnetize anything? Also, should I grab T-sons upgrades form FW (i really dig their helmets), or just go with MKIV form BaC?

Be patient for me. I'm mostly collector and I'm not used to build up models to for an actual game (but I really want to get into HH).

>>54187922
>Just imagine Angron is a series of tubes.
One look at his head proves that true.

>>54188053
Ah, np. Something happened to the Mega links a while ago and we haven't had good ones ever since.

>>54185385
Nice, keep posting!

>>54187994
Funnily enough, Lorgar does wear a helmet in that scene, but gets his cool three horns broken

>>54178929

Haha no, fuck that. Angron had a shitty start but that neither changes nor excuses the fact that he was an utterly shitty person who destroyed literally everything he touched, including his legion.

He's a faggot. If he was in such a constant state of agony and torture then he should have done the honorable thing and just killed himself, rather then burning down half the Inperium with his autism.

>>54188275
Totally buy the upgrade kits, at least the heads and torsos. Buy Burning of Prospero decal sheets on eBay for cheaper shoulder markings (Ahriman's very cheap on eBay too). No need to give every model special heads or torsos - you can mix them with the normal ones, or only give them to veterans, or sergeants, however you want.

For most rites of war you'll have a couple of squads of Tactical Marines, which means bolters (and Rhinos - footslogging sucks). Pride of the Legion is a popular rite of war that lets you take vets instead, but you can use the same models. Veterans with bolters are still good so go ahead and build 20 armed that way. The other 10 can be veterans with something else - a popular one is two meltaguns and eight combi-meltas but you can mix plasma/combiplasma. That's the squad where magnetization might make sense, in case combi-weapons are really expensive in 8th edition.

Don't overdo the Sekhmet Terminators (a bit too good for the points in Cataphractii armor) but you might as well get an upgrade kit to use with the ones you get in the Calth box as such.

>>54188529
>If he was in such a constant state of agony and torture then he should have done the honorable thing and just killed himself
What do you think he was trying to do when the Emperor kidnapped him?

>inb4 commit sudoku
That's not honorable to Angron. Death in combat surrounded by your comrades or their corpses is honorable.

>>54188275
There's a few TS fanatics in here so ask away, everyone's gotta start somewhere.
While you can build your army to any Rite of War, TS have 2 powerful options in one of their own Rites, Guard of the Crimson King, and they also do well in a standard Pride of the Legion.
A BaC box gives you a start on PotL, as you can make two Legion Veteran Squads out of it, or a single vet squad and a Legion Terminator Squad.

It might be worth just making bolter guys until you know what you want to do Ritewise as you can use them as Tacticals as well.

You could instead make your Termies into Sekhmet - check the weapon options first, they can't take everything ordinary Termies can.
GotCK is more powerful than Pride, but the infantry element is Terminator spam, so you need more than the 5 dudes in the BaC. Something to work towards if you don't want to do another Rite.

FW have a lot of upgrade kits for TS, for the Mark IV marines, if you want to be correctly autistic, you use the Achaean upgrade shoulders and heads, but of course you can mix and match whatever you like for Your Dudes. They also have a whole other set of heads and mark 2 and 3 shoulders.
You can also get the Blade Cabal upgrade kit and slap those on your mark 4s if you want to get a TS-only unit that looks unique.

>>54188529
So you would would blame a dog for being a dog, huh.

>>54188602
He had a century to die during the GC. What the fuck did he do?

>>54183968
All the Primarchs who were actually well-adjusted and didn't regularly piss off the Emperor were at worst indifferent to him (gee what a surprise, almost like there's a pattern there).

As far as actual deep kinship, none, though it seems that the Wolves likes it that way as Russ never seemed to bother reaching out to anyone of it wasn't business related.

>>54188652
Not die because a) he's a primarch, and b) he had his legion (including his bodyguards, no matter how much he despised them)

>>54188652
Those Nails are a slave gladiator's implants. They wouldn't give slaves the respite of self termination

>>54188652
>What the fuck did he do?
Beat everything he came across.

>>54188685
>he's a primarch

Then how did he expect to die on Nuceria?

>he had his legion (including his bodyguards, no matter how much he despised them)

Just outrun them or tell them to pull back.

He was a coward, clear as fucking day.

>>54188620

That analogy implies that Angron was doing what he was supposed to do.

A dog that bites everything and everyone around it is a useless dog that needs to be put down.

>>54188712
I think his guys were outnumbered 100 to 1 or worse, and they were all exhausted, malnourished etc. We're supposed to believe he'd eventually have been brought down, who knows.
I would say Angron is a form of coward, yes, but perhaps not the kind you're implying. He runs full pelt, often unsupported, directly into gunlines with a couple axes.

>>54188847
I don't mean coward as in a guy who's afraid of battle or stuff like that. It's clear he was brave in battle at least.

I meant an intellectual coward, afraid of confronting his fact that maybe his world view is wrong after all

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>>54188712
Make up your damn mind, anon. You say he does stupid things but you want him to do stupid things.
He's just angry and sad, anon. And he's quite literally insane.
>>54188776
What about a snowflaky dog that is too cool for rules and when he doesn't get to pee exactly where it wants throws a bitchfit?
Primarchs are generals, even the flawed ones. Send them to die among the stars, instead of smothering in their sleep. It's ok, they won't betray you: Horus the First Among Equals is there as wielder of your authority, and he's not only sane, but also capable, charismatic, intelligent and well-adapted.

>>54188712
>Then how did he expect to die on Nuceria?
By not having any escape, or any giant armour?
He was going to die for his freedom (eventually) in a totally one-sided fight, something he never again got to do

>tell them to pull back.
They were incredibly loyal to him, and practically worshipped him, he couldn't have gotten them not to support him if he'd wanted them to.

>>54188903
He does stupid things because the nails make him stupid.

I'm proposing a way he can find peace at last.

>>54188914
>They were incredibly loyal to him, and practically worshipped him, he couldn't have gotten them not to support him if he'd wanted them to.
Loyalty should be above love. Tell them to pull back, if they don't, kill a few of them then try to die at the next battle, see if they follow you now

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>>54188914
>Wh did your Emperor do this to me, Kharn?
;__;
Why didn't the Emperor fight alongside Angron, but allowed Corax to nuke a forgeworld civilians to save his band of convicted murderers?

>>54188959
ADB had a chance to finally explain that in MoM, but daddy issues made his anus bleed once more and he just wrote him as not giving a shit about his sons.

Personal head canon is that they were a bit Khornate

>>54188996
Due to the Blood God's champion being terran, the arguments of the gladiators being khornate lose much of their weight.
Hell, Ahriman (another terran) is the top Tzeentchian after Magnus, and Typhon isn't even 100% human. Shows how much people cared about marine recruits.
But suddenly it matters for Angron's buddies, right? Even after Lorgar makes the pope his First Captain.

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>>54188996
>DB had a chance to finally explain that in MoM, but daddy issues made his anus bleed once more
When will the gorvernment stop his sinful hand?

>>54189057
>Due to the Blood God's champion being terran, the arguments of the gladiators being khornate lose much of their weight.
What?
Just because Kharn's Khorne's champion doesn't mean these gladiators' couldn't have worshipped Khorne
>ahriman
>typhon
Those guys turned Chaos only after they were inducted.

>Even after Lorgar makes the pope his First Captain.
They weren't that Chaos loving or Emps would have bombed them into dust

>>54188903
You are now the General of the Crusade Supply lines for the Legions. You've got the newest armour suits, boltguns and hairbrushes all ready to go. The trouble is, you've got to refit the White Scars and the Space Wolves.

>You can't find any of the White Scars. They literally don't file reports other than occasionally sending you a postcard with a hand-painted list of compliant worlds on it. That they conquered months ago and forgot to mention. That now all need to be supplied and taken over as well, with special effort to remove all the skidmarks.

>You know where the Space Wolves have been, at least, due to all the piles of burning books, chewed corpses of spectacles-wearing civilians and the rank aroma of dogpiss. Between trying to sort that mess out, you manage to get a few supply convoys out to the Wolves' muster points. The shipmasters report back that the legionaries picked through the cargo, took the haircare gear but refused the rest for being 'malifacarum' techno-sorcery.

>>54188959
I'd probably have to re-read Corax's story, but that is one of the more puzzling ones.
Though some tellings have Big E turning up the day after Raven beats them for good

Angron's pals being somewhat Khornate, and the Nucerians being 100% willing to become part of the Imperium without a fight if the Emperor took the mad super-sparticus away are slight reasons, but they still don't really justify it

>>54188176
Use the 8th edition rules for them. Claim it's fluffy because daemons don't obey natural laws like the mortals in the setting do.

>>54189101
>Those guys turned Chaos only after they were inducted.
Typhon was suspected to be a mixblood of human and xenonecromancer. Other lodge marines would kill some of their brothers after they were inducted to the lodges, but he doomed a whole legion on his own. As in, not even fucking Lorgar doomed all his legion, relatively only a small amount was turned into possessed. Hell, the original Gal Vorbak were a single chapter in the legion.
I say let Angron's brother gladiators join. How worse could it be?
Eh, they'd still wind up dead after the original Nucerian Nails react with the geneseed or something :^)
>They weren't that Chaos loving or Emps would have bombed them into dust
They were a bunch of fucking priests. Emps literally bombed the last terran church into dust, and that was the first of many.

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>>54188699
>be gladiator
>life is constant torture
>be on the bog
>wiping ass with sponge on a stick
>upon inspection realise you've gone down with diarrhoea again
>just end it all by suffocating on this shitty stick

>>54189209
>was suspected
But he passed the tests, which means it's false.

>They were a bunch of fucking priests. Emps literally bombed the last terran church into dust, and that was the first of many.

Because they didn't know better- they were occluded by the long night, and once Emps came they toned it down a bit.

Plus Lorgar didn't have nails jammed in his head

>>54189144
Such is the job of the newly created Administrorumatus. We've got to work on the name and we're already a few decades behind.
Eh, how worse could it get? It's not like we're posthumously sentencing wiped out regiments to death because they failed to arrive to a warzone after they were killed to a man, or send oil to a rough rider company and lances to a tank regiment :^)

>>54189271
>and once Emps came they toned it down a bit.
Anon, all this shit happened because Phareon couldn't give up on preaching to someone. Be the Emperor or Daemons of cucking and the feeling of lemon juice in your eyes, when he's gotta pray he's gotta pray!

>>54188959
Because they were khornate
By them being put down then the status quo is kept
If the slaves stay alive then what happens with the rest of the slaves on this planet and the city states, are new countries made or what, if we let them put down their rebellious slaves perhaps we can then get more DAoT tech off them

>>54189309
Well yeah, but he kept it hidden along with Erebus.

It's not like he went straight to the Emperor and told him he was lying.

>when the senile alzheimer's patient and the smug tattooed fuck are smarter than you

The nails sure did a number on Angron

>>54189057
The emperor let the old chaos faith stay because tzeentch clouded his mind and Lorgar seemed to be able to convert anyone that worshipped the wind

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>>54189314
Kharn outkhornates anyone other than Angron anyway.
>What happens to the slaves?
What happened to Liceus' convicts? They became officers in the legion, that's what.
Better recruit from enlightened people like Nostramans, right?

>>54189273
>sending lances to a tank company
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>54189371
>thinking there is no need for an officer class
You fucking what pleb, imma lynch you for nicking a cow

>>54189273
THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED

>>54189371
>deliverancers
Successfully staged a moon wide riot
>nostramans
Takes skill to survive in space detroit
>Nucerians
Get cornered like retards

>>54189412
>>54189466
I love this stupid website.

>>54189445
Anon, I'm the one who's asking to get gladiators inducted.
>>54189481
>GEE, IF ONLY WE HAD FUCKING NUKES AND AN INVISIBLE OPERATIVE

>>54189144
My fellow Ministorumators don those suits (asking a nearby planet that kept power armor during Old Night to help us get them going at 30% without a black carapace) and start our crusade while we search for the V Legion.

>>54189507
Words can hurt you fag.

>>54189671
They had an angry operative.

Plus, the nuke bit is a bit of an non sequitur, they only had to use them because the enemy had equal if not more powerful tech, Nuceria was like Mad Max

>>54189677
But lord head-master of the beauministratracy, how do you propose we go fast enough to catch them?

>>54189726
Get the big red retard on the phone. We have need of the corvidae.

>>54189144
'Scars' sort of features this.

>>54189713
No nuecria is like Ancient Greece, except they have Roman gladiators because Spartacus

>>54189756
>Contacting the XVth
I think there's still a moritorium on that due to the amount of paperwork they generate taking up most of Io.
The last guy I put in charge of their resupply, well, he went a bit funny in the head. He said not only did they copy him into to all the paperwork - with NOTES IN THE MARGINS - but kept sending him complaints that he wasn't sending the stuff they'd predicted he would? When he eventually broke down and had to go off on the sick, the Legion contact said something about it being 'just as planned' and to be quite frank they kind of creep me out now.
>>54189797
No shit

>>54189831
I mean, they had the know how to do brain surgery, that takes some tech

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>>54189756
>>54189854
HELLO, THIS IS MAGNUS, DAD GROUNDED ME SO NOW I HAVE TO HELP OUT UNTUTORED MORTALS, WHAT DO YOU WANT?

>>54189905
We need to get a message to the Khan, fast. The astrotelepaths are all backed up dealing with some shit Guilliman is insisting we distribute, I swear that guy can go on so much, he should just write a fucking book and be done with it.
Anyway, you got any ideas to contact someone really fast outside of normal channels?
As long as it meets the Health and Safety regulations the Emperor put in place, obviously.

>>54189983
A MESSAGE TO THE KHAN? I GUESS SO, SO LONG AS WHAT EVER VEHICLE HE'S USING RIGHT NOW ISN'T MOVING AWAY FROM YOU AT THIS EXACT MOMENT.
AND AS FOR YOUR HEALTH AND SAFETY WOULD EXACTLY 9.99 PINTS OF BLOOD SPILT BE IN VIOLATION?

>>54188652
Not fight anything hard enough.

And then Lorgar ruined everything by trying to be a loving brother. Thanks, Lorgar.

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>>54188959
I really want to do a WE force based on being Space Spartacus's and fighting alongside the traitors to free the slaves of the Imperium

What mark of armor has the most T H I C C legs and torso? I want to make a bulky looking centurion but don't want to use the B@C model since I want legion shoulderpads.

>>54190633
Probably Cataphractii.

>>54190633
Definitely want to use one of the plastic kits for that.

>>54190633
of regular power armor?

Iron armor def

>>54189671
if angron wasn't a retard he would not have maneuvered his force into a corner.

But words on him are wasted.

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How do I take my Knights in my Custodes lists without my opponents hating me forever?

>>54191418
Take 4k points of infantry also.

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>>54189412
>>54189466
There. The dumbest doodle I can think of. This was caused by the Bureocradministratorum's confusion due to constantly changing name. It'd would only be after the heresy when they would be formally named "Administratum", finally catching up...after half of mankind's assets were destroyed in the fighting.

>>54184793
Took a look at that, got pretty heretical in there.

Still better than Curzefag tho

>>54193335
I unironically love this design

>>54185892
Who drew this? Aside from Guilliman wearing armour (He was not) that's really fucking good.

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Can I get some feedback on my IF list, please?

Rite Of War: Pride Of The Legion
HQ: Legion Praetor w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, MC Paragon Blade, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, and Grenade Harness 190pt

HQ: Command Squad of 4 w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 1 Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, and 2 Chainfists 190pt

Dedicated Transport: Legion Land Raider Phobos w/ Extra Armor 230pt

HQ: Legion Centurion Vigilator w/ a Powersword, Artificer Armor, and Refractor Field 120pt

HQ: Legion Centurion Master of Signals w/ Artificer Armor and Refractor Field 115pt

Elites: Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought w/ Two Kheres-Assault Cannons, Havoc Launcher, and Extra Armor 200pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Melta; 4 Combi Meltas 225pt

Transport: Legion Rhino w/ Extra Armor and Multi Melta 50pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma, 4 Combi Plasmas 225pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist, and 2 Heavy Bolters w/ Suspensor Webs 215pt

Fast Attack: Xiphon Pattern Interceptor w/ Ground Tracking Auguries and Armored Cockpit 220pt

Fast Attack: Legion Seeker Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist 270pt

Heavy Support: Legion Heavy Support Squad of 10 w/ Autocannons 285pt

Heavy Support: Legion Land Raider Phobos w/ Extra Armor 230pt

Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought w/ a Lascannon Battery and Aiolos Missile Launcher 270pt

Lords of War: Legion Typhon Heavy Siege Tank w/ Lascannon Sponsons and Armored Ceramite 455pt

Total = 3500 points

>>54195952
It's certainly a big Pride list alright.

>>54195952
>PotL

No originality.

>>54188903
>There are no wolves on Fenris.

Only lap dogs.

>>54185892
>Cataphractii with boarding shields.

Grimdark as fuck!

>>54196531
How do they not have originality? Some people just like the style of it. Veterans as troops is fucking awesome.

>>54186026
>"Smart Handsome Magic Ogryns".
Mind if I steal that? Store is full of "X Primarch is best and even more unstoppable because X" types. At some point I may find the least dignified way to kill a Primarch and try it out on all of them. Leaning towards "hacked to bits by swarm of levies and Chainblade Adsecularis".

Personally I find the "Primarchs are magical warp demigods" excuse to be a bit of a copout since Astartes haven't really been shown to be especially warpy in nature and they had no abnormal reaction to Sisters of Silence IIRC. Also, how their "unparalleled generalship" tends to work is like Captain America's comic tactics - they'll just yell a couple phrases at most, continue doing exactly what they were going to do anyway as far as anyone can tell and somehow win anyway. If you're going to have twenty magical mega-generals, at least make their tactics more visible than the plot equivalent of +3 Victory Points straight up

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A pretty good sculpt if you ask me. They didn't even botch his face.
The only critique I have is that they used the plastic MkIV backpack in the master model, instead of the resin onces. The difference is in the vents.

>>54196753
It is mentioned in the Sisters of Silence bit that there's never been a Null Astartes, and it postulates that the teeny-tiny bit of Emprah that's in marines means that there could never be.

It then momentarily speculates on how useful a Null Legion might have been, given the usefulness of the Sisters

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Rate my Orbital Assault bitterboy list of 2998pts:

---+HQ+---
Legion Praetor
Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercrafted Power Fist, Servo-arm, Warsmith, Void Shield Harness

Legion Command Squad [250pts]
5x Chosen, 2x Charnabal Sabre, 1x Heavy Chainsword, 1x Lightning Claw, Legion Standard
Transport: Dreadclaw [115pts]

---+Elites+---
Legion Terminator Squad [215pts]
Cataphractii Armour, Deep Strike.
5x Terminators, 2x Chainfist, 2x Power Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 1x Power Sword+Grenade Harness

Legion Terminator Squad [245pts]
Tartaros Armour, Deep Strike.
5x Terminators, 2x Chainfist, 2x Power Fist, 1x Plasma Blaster, 1x Dual Lightning Claws, Grenade Harness

---+Troops+---
Legion Tactical Squad [202pts]
9 Marines with bolters and combat blades, 1 Sgt, artificer armour, melta bombs, power fist. Legion Vexilla.
Transport: Legion Drop Pod

Legion Tactical Squad [187pts]
9 Marines with bolters and combat blades, 1 Sgt, artificer armour, melta bombs, Combi-volkite. Legion Vexilla.
Transport: Legion Drop Pod

Legion Tactical Squad [202pts]
9 Marines with bolters and combat blades, 1 Sgt, artificer armour, melta bombs, power fist. Legion Vexilla.
Transport: Legion Drop Pod

Legion Tactical Support Squad [360pts]
10 Marines with meltaguns
Transport: Legion Drop Pod

---+Fast Attack+---
Deathstorm Drop Pod with frag launchers [90pts]

Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron [280pts]
2x Multi-Melta, shrapnel bolts, 6x jetbikes.
Sky-Hunter sgt, Lightning Claw

Xiphon Interceptor [205pts]

---+Heavy Support+---
Deathstorm Drop Pod with Krak Launchers [120pts]

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [390pts]
Siege Claw, Graf-Flux Bombard, Heavy Flamers
Transport: Dreadnought Drop Pod

>>54187256
wtf is this comic? Looks right up my street.

>>54189314
>Because they were khornate
Pure Emperor-apologist fanfiction. This is stated or implied exactly nowhere.

>>54197000
>Prospero is ancient Egypt in space
>Amon is a white guy with blue eyes
I'm not even close to being a tumblweed SJW bu that is quite bad, we already have art of him being darker skinned with brown eyes, are FW painters so bad they can only paint Europeans?

>>54197313
It's called Uber, although now it's Uber: Invasion for series 2. Basically grimdark Nazi superhero army (like hundreds, industrially produced and armed)vs. grimdark allied superhero army, a including Uber Alan Turing and Uber Patton. They haven't done much yet, though.

Series is good, if a bit of a gorefest and with a steady stream of asspulls to keep Siege of Berlin Nazis at all able to compete with the Allies.

>>54197525
>Jimmies that rustled

Did you forget your medicine, anon?

>>54197119
Fair point, but even Greater Daemons fuck up and can be beaten with a Big Enough Gun. Primarchs have exactly as much strength as needed to kill anything not another Primarch, which other than the social scenes makes them excruciatingly boring to watch fight. If they lost a bit more or actually got injured, say because Scoria or Kelbor or someone got a good hit in or a Basilisk dropped a shell on their heads they'd be less dull, but as is it's like having companions in Mount and Blade, just throw them at whatever because they'll never die even from Titans.

Although the Null Legion thing makes me wonder why the Astartes and the Mechanicum aren't equipped with more anti-psyker countermeasures on the Crusade. Null rods exist and work for non-Nulls, why aren't there more of those?

>>54196644
it's the invictarii bodyguard.

>>54197643
Blanks cause a lot of problems in the long run, you can't communicate astrotelepathical with them around, your navigator has a hard time seeing anything in the warp because of all the blanks around.

>>54197673
My mind bristles with conversion ideas. It's from the HH graphic novel from two years back, right?

What was it called again?

>>54197525
>with blue eyes
The blue is from the skin under his eyes, anon. He could be a bit darker but FW has always played fast and loose with proper display colour schemes. Mark Bedford's Xana Mechanicum are all in Malinax colours for some reason.

>>54190457
IT IS OUR DUTY TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM
IT IS OUR DUTY TO WIN
is already a slaaneshi warcry so you might be a bit hard pressed there

>>54193335
It was more a reference to the polish lancers charging tanks at the beginning of ww2 to stall for time so the dragoon detachments could get out their anti tank rifles but this could also work by using a tonne of 'lance' weaponry, or did they drop it in 8th ed along with armour values

>>54196753
They're suppoused to be warp storms bound inside parts of the emperor, and thus why they all fall into some part of a chaos god and are all psykers

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>>54193335
Kek.

>>54197429
Then shut your mortal mouth, the emperor knows and sees all
>>54197525
You know geneseed makes you progressively English looking right, and you don't even need to use that model to represent Anon

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>>54198084
>tfw Lithuania went for an African tier flag and Poland took two colours rather than keep the REEEEEE eagle

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>>54198122
I think nowadays their eagle is pretty calm, but it's designs gave me an idea. Another Slavic bird awaiting proofs.

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>we should have moved to 8th e-

>>54198080
Then why are they not messed up by Nulls, then? Sure, Empy can resist them because he's OP as balls, but they still see him as is rather than full God Form, so wouldn't the Primarchs still be affected? Also, why can they even die full stop? I imagine you'd still have Ded Primarch if you set off a nuke in their face, Vulkan aside, why do they not reincarnate or something?

>>54197728

Not talking about actual Blanks, but there is equipment that really disrupts psykers that doesn't have to be on all the time. I would expect Magi and Custodes at least to have access to Null Rods and Psishock weapons, at least.

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>>54198229
This looks like a mess.

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>>54197000
His cape is pretty THICC, it's like he's running around with a duvet on his back.

>>54198271
So your saying he's /comfy/.

>>54198271
Who the fuck is in charge here

>>54197000
>>54198271
What a busy mess. Whoever sculpted that """""cape""""" should be ashamed.

>>54198229
I fucking hate Titans becoming so expensive. 1500pts.. Now my Chaos Warhound will never see the light of day again..

>>54198567
>Chaos Warhound
Pics or it didn't happen.

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>>54198773
Don't have a better pic at the moment, I'm at work.

>>54198567

Everything vehicular has become expensive in 8th. A land raider is something like 356 points, the humble rhino costs 72. It shits on people with enormous numbers of tanks, but the game needed some changes to rein in the size of armies and give infantry a bit of a boost. The flip side is that you're not going to lose that expensive vehicle to a single lucky shot any more.

>>54198229

This is just lazy though. Heretical though it may sound, I think FW needs someone at GW to step in and take control. They've lost the plot since Bligh popped his clogs.

>>54199603
>The flip side is that you're not going to lose that expensive vehicle to a single lucky shot any more.

The odds of that lucky shot happening are pretty damned low in the first place. It doesn't mean that it should NEVER be allowed to happen.

>>54199603
What's lazy about it? Isn't the entirety of 8th Ed like that?

>>54199664

No, the rest of 8th has points for all the different kinds of wargear based on their individual merits and strengths. FW have just stuck their finger in the air and said 'warhound 1500, warlord 4000, fuck bothering to cost the options'.

>>54199625

Luck will still factor into whether that lascannon shot knocks off 1 wound or 6, and vehicles still suffer a loss in effectiveness as they take a pasting. The loss of a tiny amount of 'realism' is a tiny price to pay for a far smoother ruleset. 8th can't come to HH fast enough.

>>54199983

What would be a more reasonable base price for the titans?

>>54199983
>The loss of a tiny amount of 'realism' is a tiny price to pay for a far smoother ruleset.

There are a lot of changes and they add up to something I don't want to play, and for the moment at least, I don't have to play 8th. Making the game appear smoother by removing pretty much every tactical/realism consideration is not the route I would have chosen.

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Got this far. But it seems like I got outdone by some people over att the heresy30k forums.

http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F10351-the-8ed-heresy-project-legiones-astartes%2F

>>54200564
Their effort is very pretty, been glancing over it today. There's definitely things I don't like about it though, I much prefer your versions of graviton guns/cannons for example.

>>54200564
Why don't you collaborate with them? You could get a lot more shit done together

>>54200594
>Wake up to page 10
Fuck it.
>>54198070
You know that's propaganda, anon.