Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

By the emperor what a terrible fucking OP image

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First for P2W

>>54168903
How do you mean?

>>54168914
I don't, I just wanted to post that gif.

Though some say FW, but they're dumb.

>>54168914

Some people are salty about Forgeworld or really expensive flyer based armies.

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>>54168903
>forge world is pay to win
Git gud.

Don't mind me. Just doing a thing with the number my post ends on. Wanna pick a Traitor Legion.

1- Black Legion
2- Word Bearers
3- Dark Angels
4- Iron Warriors
5- Thousand Sons
6- World Eaters
7- Death Guard
8- Emperor's Children
9- Alpha Legion
0- Night Lords

>>54168879
So, decided to go with the Power Sword/Carbine load out for my Sicarians, as a way to help deal with MEQs, something I noticed Admech lacks a little in.

Also, what do you think are some good allies to add into a Ad Mech army? I think the prime Contendors are Culexus Assassins and Melta Stormtroopers, but I want to go outside the box. Any ideas?

>>54168950
Dark Angels.
They are traitor and gay.

>>54168903
Tourneyfags have always turned this game into P2W, they are the ones buying 5 riptides and scatbikes or whatever the flavor of the month army is.

In casual pick up games 40k is fine, you can pick whatever models you want and you can get a good game with them.

>>54168855
Bumpin

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Why are Astra Milicuck and marinelets so assblasted by T'au superiority ?

>>54168975
Isn't that a bit redundant from GW? We already have Emperor's Children.

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>>54168950
WE COME FOR YOU, ANON

STAND IN MIDNIGHT CLAD

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Murders in dialup noises.

>>54168999
I read that as stand in midnight chad.

Night Lords Primaris when?

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Hey guys. Just finished Pandorax. Great listen.
It was cool to see the Catachans kicking ass.

Its a shame about what happened to that cool guy though.

Anyways here's a link to my cureent collection of audio books. So far its just Pandorax and the Carrion throne but any other books I get linked downloads to will be added.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByORSmF1JmKyNVdJVlFGSHVmU3c

If anyone else can drop a link to audio book mp3s ill add them to the list. Bonus points if its the primarch collection!

(I'm just going to call audio dramas audio books to keep it simple)

>>54168974
Ally 3 dreads lead by bjorn

>>54168999
>999
Alpharius is that you

>>54168995
Unless the codex nerfs Guard significantly and buffs other armies, they are shit stompers this edition. I've rolled through all my Tau friends to the point where they don't want to play me anymore.

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>>54168995

>using the corporate approved trademarked names

>>54168995
Why are T'aueebs so assblasted they project it into everyone else?

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>>54168950
Ave Dominus Nox!

>>54168995
I miss when taufags where crying about the riptide nerf.

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>>54169003
Sorry, but this thread is for non-hereteks only.

Just finished DOW 3. Have to say It's an achievement to make war boring.

Well lads, it's my birthday tomorrow and I'm starting an AdMech army. Ryza colour scheme. Is Ryza a good one to go with?

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Be afraid.

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>>54168879

> Most playtested edition ever edition

Blood Angels Company Veterans with 2 Combi Bolters
> RapidFire4
> Fly, Jump Pack Assault
> 23pts/ea
Seems like one of the best units in the game. Accounting for Battleshock, each model will kill ~3 bases of Razorwings per turn.
Minimum squad size of 2 models makes them super-easy to slot in anywhere.

3 gun Manticore Battery, Gunnery Sergeant Harker and a Searchlight Saber
> 12D6 shots
> S9/AP-3/DD6
> Somewhere around 64 wounds to vehicles within 300"
> 430pts

>>54169039

Whats wrong with DoW3?

>>54169031
>marinelets
>trademarked

>>54169037
>Taufags unsuccessfully trying to sell riptides on ebay

>All buying commanders and a shoton of drones

>Tau codex finally comes out

>Commanders nerfed, drone spam nerfed

>New wave of ebay listings

>>54169051
What's right with it is a better question and faster to answer.

>>54168997
I don't think EC existed at the time of the DA creation based on bad gay jokes and references.

>>54169049

>Spawn are better in close combat than Possessed

>>54169044
All of the Forgeworld tags are meaningless at this point, aside from Mars, as Cawl has a buff that specifically targets units from the Mars subfaction.

However, Ryza is cool. Be sure to bring Plasma on all available units though, to be as fluffy as possible.

>>54169062

Go on...

Predict the codexes #5-10

5. Tau
6. Eldar
7. Necron
8. Tyranids
9. Orks
10. Deldar

>>54169061
This is good, I'll be able to increase my collection and enjoy the tears of waacfags.
Y'vahra is better anti vehicle anyways

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>>54169074

Are Possessed still garbage this edition? Fuck's sake GW...

>>54169050
How are you getting two storm bolters?

Eldar
Imperial Guard
Orks
Tyrandis
Necrons
Thousand Sons

>>54169012
>pandorax

good book, but it some cases catachans were true mary sues.

I'm pretty sure there's this moment where 2 catachans ambush 2 plague marines 1vs1 and kill them with their knives. bah

>>54169084
I dunno, looks pretty good?

Otherwise its a straight up inferior game to DoW1 and 2

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>>54168974
Personally I'm eyeballing a converted Guard flyer, since everyone runs Knights around here and I really want a different Lord of War. Mix it up, we go well with most things.

Guard players, is the Marauder Destroyer any good? Flying around a 460 point Hard To Hit plane and blasting 18 Heavy Weapons at whatever seems like a decent way to chew on pretty much anything, and fits really well into my plans for a 3k Admech Brigade + LoW Flyer. How would you go about converting a flying Admech gunboat like that?

>>54169044

No difference in rules, but Ryza orange looks cool and you can add some Ork bits to the bases, which is always fun. Make sure you have some Plasma Vanguard for fluff purposes.

>>54169099
Pretty much, sadly.

>>54169099

Not the unworkable trash they were before, just mediocre and overshadowed for their role.

Want fast units to tie up the enemy while being annoying and cheap? Spawn.
Want hard-hitting infantry that can shred heavy or light infantry? Berzerkers.
Want an elite unit geared to kill specific things? Chosen or Terminators.

>>54169092
#5 - thousand sons
#6 - space wolves
#7 - iron warriors
#8 - dark angels
#9 - alpha legion
#10 - blood ravens

>>54169111

By the power of wishful thinking

>>54169131
I like it. Was planning to convert a Stormraven to it. AdMech could have something like that. Harvest your Auto cannons from your walker things, for example.

Supreme Command Detachment was a mistake.

>>54169111

> Bolt Pistol and Chainsword
Replace Bolt Pistol with Chainsword.
Replace both Chainswords with Combi-Weapons.

>>54169164
You can't replace twice.

You replace THE chainsword, not A chainsword.

>>54169163

> Not thinking that Magnus and 5 Daemon Princes Warptiming into Turn 1 melee isn't the best thing ever.

>>54169163
I'm waiting for the Farsight detachment that's just 8 hqs.

So I should be expecting a Thousand Sons codex right?

>>54168941
>>54168942
They are fuckin' dumb. At least for Tau, most of the FW index for them is legit shit you wouldn't field unless you really loved the model or had a specific theme.

Most of the stock-codex variants are mediocre, overcosted. R'myr is nothing special, r'alai is a "character killer" that can't target characters, the Tigershark literally can never fire it's main gun due to a missing rule and the rest lean towards "meh, why even bother?".

And there's the remora, which lost its markerlight, some firepower, it's stealth and survivability, became weaker than a fucking crisis suit AND costs 1 more point than before for this privilege.

>>54169121
Well I mean Catachan fangs are pretty much the sharpest most beeflord knives humans wield. Plus the plague marine armor was decayed and not as tough as normal marine armor.

>>54169200
Maybe? Not sure they've got enough to justify it.

>>54169200
Just play HH.

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>>54169163
Whats the matter anon, dont you like seeing 10 commanders on the battlefield?

>>54169164
Hah. No.

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>>54169039
>playing it to begin with when it was an obvious shit fest and looked nothing like 40k

>>54169220
I do. Its an easy win.

>>54168987
Maybe there's just so little tactical depth to a lot of 40k, that having statistical superiority is the only thing that matters, and tournament players will just shuffle around their builds accordingly?

Or maybe GW is bad at creating a system that promotes mixed armies instead of spam, and 8th's pseudo-Unbound makes it even easier to spam?

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>>54169207

>beeflord

>>54169209
And death guard do?

>>54169213
No.

>>54169232
BEEFlord.

Seriously though. You got a link for any other audio books? Ive become addicted

>>54169140
Yup.
>No time for the NPC's we got a Narrative to keep up and all these new Spesss Mereens to sell

>>54169205

No shit, most of the relatively broken shit is in the core codices already.

It's just that some people are going to get upset about stupid shit instead of learning their armies better.

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>IG 8th Codex will bring back regimental doctrines.

>>54169241
Death Guard are getting a bunch of new stuff, and already have some. New terminators, new infantry, blight drones, and likely more.

The only TSon unique stuff is Scarab Occult and Tzaangors. They'd have to add yet more stuff to justify it. Which I wish they would, don't get me wrong, I just don't see it happening.

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Can I take a second to call out the fact that literally all factions are cool as fuck in 40k?

Space Marines are badass super soldiers.
Chaos Gods and followers wrecking shit left and right.
Imperial Guard the underdogs with their massive warmachine and unending bodies to throw at the enemy.
All the speacialised branches of the Imperium from Grey Knights to Sororitas just purging and praying their way through war.
Admech bringing the full technological force of man down upon their foes.
Tyranids eating everything in their path and they haven't even fully walked through our galaxy's door.
Necron armies not even stopped by death sweeping across worlds.
Orkz fighting for the fights sake.
Eldar bringing the most skilled warriors to the battle anyone has ever seen.
Deldar being the most sadistic space slavers to ever be.
Tau rocking the mecha gundam style.

How can you not think any of these are awesome?

>>54169258
My tallarn will ride again!

>>54169099
Possessed are Chosen with poweraxes, 1" more movement and a 5+ Invul, not bad by any means just underwhelming

>>54169284
Space marines get less cool the 200th time around.

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>>54169258

>>54169258
I love Mordians but god damn I wish the shoulder tassels were reserved for officers only, it makes them all look like they are commanding officers and it's retarded as fuck

>>54168879
Quick question-
I'm planning to run a list that's heavy on Scouts/ (Stern/Van)Guard, with the odd Devastator squad/ Contemptor Dread in. Planning to include a shooty Captain/ JP Librarian as HQs. Yea/nay?

>>54169284
finaly someone who understands it, all the factions are cool, we just argue which one is cooler

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>>54169258
It would be nice but I don't know what they would do for pic related.

>believing Guard will get a book ever

>>54169257
yeah I agree with you. I just hate the whole "waah waah FW is OP" shit when it's clearly debunked if you even LOOK AT THE FUCKING RULES.

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>>54169258
>>54169290

My nigga, who needs tanks when you have /H O R S E S/

>>54169319
>marines
>cool
Maybe if you are 12

>>54169331
> I just hate the whole "waah waah FW is OP" shit when it's clearly debunked if you even LOOK AT THE FUCKING RULES.

seems like you didnt look at the FW rules at all

Codex tau when

>>54168949
Want

>>54169131
Any places to get plasma bitz from?

>>54169051
Depends on if you played it or not. It's easy to shit all over something but in the most general way to describe it. DOW 3 is shallow in almost every respect. No Character at all. Sometimes they get Gorgutz right but his redesign made him look less intimidating. Graphics are ok, very much like Diablo 3 which is a 7 year old game now.

My opinion, give it a miss. It's not awful but it's about average.

>>54169341
>"finally someone who gets subjective opinions are subjective"
>"maybe if you're 12"
Sorry who's twelve again ?

>>54169207
still, I wouldn't expect plague marines of all to go down like that. I might understand getting ambushed, considering that probably the only thing they smell is their own decay and hear only the flies buzzing around them

>>54168713 #

>xv9s have nicer toys than burst cannons

It would be glorious if this were true, but non-burst cannon Hazard suits are garbage.

Not even inefficient, I mean flat out total never take it if you have an ounce of brains garbage.

>>54169341
could you please explain your statement ?

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>>54169161
Yeah, that was the plan. Need another Dragoon anyway, so if I buy one off teh interwebs that's all the autocannon I need.

I'm just trying to work out what I want it to be in terms of archetype. Possibly some kind of floating gunboat with curved overlapping armour and such? Like a giant Bioshock variant of the Vulturax. Model is kinda fuckheug, also £205 is a tad much, so this is certainly a Convert Your Own situation.
What would an Admech flyer look like?

>>54169334
Camels are objectively superior.

>>54169257
90% of FW stuff was reasonable or even behind the curve. It's that other 10% that gives FW a bad name.

As an example, pretty much every Eldar tournament army of note either used a Skatach Wraithknight w/ Deathshrouds, or a Warp Hunter or Lynx, and Pulse Hornets were not uncommon.

Then there was the Ordnance Tyrant list, which broke one basic 40k rule: Yes they could fire into close combat.

>>54169284
I mostly agree, besides marines. GW has somehow found a way to make power armored super soldiers boring.

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>>54169038
Things will get loud now!

>>54169386
Meme.
But usually very few people that started playing decades ago with marines keeps playing with marines.
That is why marines get told they are the army for 12 year old.

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>>54168914
I mean my friends asked if I wanted to play and before I had even decided if it was for me they dropped 400 dollars on figures and paint. Now they expect to play me this weekend and I'm thinking I'll just get Total War Warhammer instead.

>>54169303
>>54169415
Just gotta find the right chapters that aren't super mary sue.

>>54169387
Maybe modify the Bigass Land Speeder DA get?

Or make some weird flying Dunevrawler thats trying to be a Necron Obelisk/Monolith?

>>54169231
XD

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>>54169388
>Camels
>Not elephants

>>54169442
Can I have your friends?

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>>54169442
>I'm thinking I'll just get Total War

Do it, should have gotten it during the sale though, it was around $20 then.

>>54169284
I agree, but marines are boring as balls.
No idea how GW manage that, specially with so many versions of them.

Maybe it is due to how prevalent they are in everything that they end looking common and generic thanks to that

>>54169184
>Warptiming multiple units
>Psychic Focus limiting each power to once per turn

I mean if don't want to play match...

>>54169378
But 348 points for 48 strength 5 ap -1 shots is?
I guess they're okay firing platforms.

>>54169445

>no lamenters black library novels

Ohh but of course endless Ultrasmurf powerwank

>Bomb Squigs don't die when they detonate
Am I missing the rule somewhere....

>>54169504
There aren't many UM books actually...

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How OCD is the community? What if I paint my figures however I want to and don't give a shit about the codex or lore?

>>54169515
Check the actual squig bomb weapon.

>>54169560
Some people don't even paint their models at all.

Making your own custom scheme is often encouraged.

>>54169535
Blue marines
Red marines
Spiky marines

Marine books are all basically the same

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>>54169494

Just take one bra.

>nobody talking about the fact that GW just revealed Codex info today
Also all the "leakers" just got BTFO, Grey Knights is in the first four books and that wasn't on any of the supposed "leaks"

>>54169560
>the community
There is no globe spanning "community".
Check with your local area and see what they're like.

>>54169481
September 28th :)

>>54169560
>what if I do what every one does?

>>54169560
Nobody real will give a shit. Paint your dudes however you want.

So is there any reason to not just use primaris as stand in taticals? I was just going to attach some chain swords to the fucker's thighs and give the sergeant a powerfist and call it a day.

>>54169598
It's worth getting the first game, because it has a lot of content and if you have both then the grand campaign will be playable.

>>54169589
We're you even in the last thread?

So:

Does anyone have any sort of realistic expectation about the side armies like Skitarii, Ad Mech, Harlequins, Deathwatch, GSC, Ynnari, getting actual individual book releases for 8th? I fully expect them to give Knights that treatment because those things print money, but I have a nasty feeling these will continue to be relegated to the indexes and the occasional errata release, with no proper attempt at bringing their original flavor and options back into the game.

>>54169535

Not counting the Horus novels there are over 10 Ultramarine focused novels. Pretty much all of them suck

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>>54169563
I'm retarded, I knew I had read it somewhere but I had StrikingScorpions88 in the background and he Saud they didn't get removed and then I went full retard

Also
>SS think Orks are worse
>mfw

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>>54169602
>>54169601
>>54169580
Excellent

i dig the freaky aliens, how are Tyranids and Dark Eldar in 8th edition?

new to the game, and would like an idea of how to build some armies and pick between the aliens and the edgelord elves

>>54169589
Yep
All were claiming codex primaris and deathguard first

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>>54169459
Wingspan of the official model is 18 inches, so it's a little big.
Maybe some kind of battleship-style flyer with a row of smaller rotors along the top? Could use some of the Sector Mechanicus kits to armour it up. A bit like pic related, but with a more armoured envelope, Admech bitz all over and guns repositioned to suit the Marauder rules.

>>54169635
Skitarii and AdMech will be in a combined book, probably with new stuff too.

I imagine GSC will have to wait awhile for an update.

Ynnari is a total mystery, they could be left to rot or they could be hugely expanded into a more full faction with more of its own unique models.

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>>54169230
for the Tau.

>>54169657
Both are good. Start an army with a Start Collecting box or two.

>>54169645
Successor chapters, splinter fleets, chaos warbands and other similar lore concepts exist specifically to encourage you personalizing your dudes however the fuck you want.

>>54169641
>StrikingScorpions88
kys

>>54169667
Just like in fluff.

>>54169604
Not really other than the guns look oversized for being boltguns.

>>54168950
Rolling for Death guard.

>>54169640
The Omnibus is actually p good

>>54169494
>bs4+
nope thanks, ill get some flamers

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>>54169747
Nice.

>>54169663
I mean, who cares about wingspan? That said, an extended Dunecrawler could work. Or elongate a Stormraven and strap on wings.

>>54169747
Praise nurgle.

>>54169667
No, for me. I'll table it by turn 3 easy.

Anyone show me examples of Object Source Lighting for plasma guns?

>>54169689
Working on it, and believe me last time I watch that shill

Only watched him because I'm ravenous for Ork coverage anyway

>>54169753
At least the hazards don't need to be beaconed in

>>54169787
List?
Im a curious bystander.

>>54169689
Someone explain why I shouldn't watch him
Outside of the long and horrible text slides, his batreps seem decent

>>54169810
On my phone, but Scions.

Just the right mix of elite plus cost effective. Their low model count dooms them.

>>54169802
>18" range
They kinda do.

>>54169836
Seconding. Other than excessive forgeworld lists and some pretty WAACFAG armies getting used I haven't identified a reason not to watch his batreps.

Please explain.

>Even now, they don't just release one codex space marines

>>54169896
But anon, space Marines are the protagonists.

Does anyone still do proper text format battle reports?

>>54169851
What are you bringing that the Tau wont be able to deal with?

>>54169852
You can DS and not need to be beaconed for that though?

>>54169231
People who think 40k is tactically shallow aren't trying nearly hard enough to be as WAAC as possible.

You can do shit like snipe specific heavy weapon holders or even an IC without needing precision shots, you can make charges without taking more than one loss to overwatch, and you can make a unit with 6" move and 2D6 charge successfully charge someone 72" away if you just position your shit properly and think about how to solve the puzzle and take advantage of what the rules allow you to do.

It's no surprise people saying 40k is easy or have no depth are also the scrubby casuals since the ultra WAACfags know there are tons of tactics you can cheese. Having the penultimate strategy is useless if you face roll and get zero non-kill point VPs.

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Okay so I'm obviously retarded and have the reading comprehension of a non-verbal autist but...

How the fuck do orders work for IG?

Do you only issue them to ONE UNIT withing x inches or does it affect all units of your choosing within a bubble. What about units that can issue two orders? do they stack?

duhhhh....

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>>54168902

t. Imperial Fisters

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>>54169778
Local GW gets REALLY antsy about conversions. Even if you spent more on them than just buying the model, too. I put together an Archmagos from a LoTR Spider Queen, some Kataphron spares and some assorted techpriest bits and they didn't let me run him because he wasn't Cawl.

Still, perhaps if I was to make some kind of hybrid DarkMech flyer? A carapace like an extended version of pic related, plus a row of rotors on each side, plus obviously a row of autocannon turrets and such and missile ports between some of the carapace segments. Add in greenstuff cables and such, and you have a mega-Blight Drone.

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>>54169928

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How should I go about building a decent, assault based, Black Templar force this edition?

>>54169431

If GW were to release Noise Marines that looked like that, they'd have sold me like £100 quids worth of Slaanesh models right there and then.

>>54169641

Why is finding the sauce to this image so difficult

>>54169092
Whats 1 through 5?

So is Mortarion the ultimate ultra-beta in 40k?

>Hates Psykers
>becomes daemon prince
>Supposedly Primarch
>Papa Nurgle likes Typhus better
>Afraid to actually Guiliman himself
>sends Nurgle greater daemon instead

Pathetic even Fulgrim gets more shit done

>>54169341
>mfw ppl keep using this exact insult "only 12 year olds like muhreens"
>mfw all the 12 year olds play orks

>>54169966
Never mind, its on the community site.

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>>54169939

>>54169942
>lotr
They can't allow it because of copyright reasons anon, its why they're different scales. Lotr is on lease from new line cinema and so they can't mix ips.

>>54169949

>tracing a grey knight

>>54169928

One unit within 6", 18" if you're near a vox.

>>54169978
>12 years old playing orks
>when GW gives free space marines for painting

Doubt

>>54169942

Wow fuck that guy. I heavily convert all my models and being told I couldn't run counts-as would be a swift "well you can get right to fuck" from me and if it was a manager I'd never go back. Makes me worried because I'm starting uni in September in the city I'll be travelling to has a GW I was thinking of nipping into to play quick games during breaks, and if I get any hassle for my guys (my main army are Iron Warriors with loads of 3rd party bits and greenstuff work) I'd honestly completely lose my shit.

>>54169908

So relase one Codex: The Protagonists.

>>54169942

GW not allowing for random bitz conversions is ultra-cancer. Did they refuse you using the conversion as Cawl or the conversion at all? I can almost slightly understand reluctance to allow a conversion stand-in for a inprint special character but otherwise it sounds like a store manager being a dick

>>54169914
A lot of high mobility infantry and special weapons. Some flyers. I suspect I'll take losses but they hurt him way more than they hurt me.

Like, the Commander list is a meme. Its able to alpha big stuff but its vulnerable in that each thing you knock out hurts a lot.

>>54169949
Templar squads and LRC advancing up the field with termies and jump ass marines deep striking down turn one to get the enemy's scary big stuff in to combat.
Combine with chaplians for reroll bubbles, and helbrecht+grimaldus to get a +1 S bubble which rerolls to hit and generates extra attacks on a 6.
A single full sized crusader squad with chainswords starts with 41 attacks and does something like 60 hits, I haven't bothered to fully mathout all the rerolls and extra hits.

>>54169985
Fist successors were being sneak attacked by tanks in new novels
Face it dorn is dumb dumb

>>54169942
>Local GW

Oh, can't totally help there. But still think a modded Stormraven is your best bet then.

>>54170029
You know the commander thing is just a part of the Tau lists right?
They are so cheap that Tau can still bring other shit and that's why it's strong.

>Playing thousand sons
>Everyone keeps asking me when I'm buying Magnus

Why the fuck would I? You want me to take a Primarch In 2000 point games? In an army that's already struggling for model count?

And even if I did, why would I buy such an oversized model? Hell, ignoring it being a good 30% bigger than it should be, it doesn't even match the asthetic of rubric marines.

>>54169972
Waiting for Fulgrim to get angry Rowbutt is back and slither in to finish the job.

>>54170042
Everyone is dumb dumb when facing the good guys.

>>54170069
Because Magnus is still a pain in the ass to fight despite not being a deathstar.

>>54170042

Crimson Fists only slightly manage to avoid being completely clueless on a tactical level.

Imperial Fists seem like they go full retard alot and Black Templars basically go full on MUSTKILLHERETICS!

Are there are decent Fists successor that aren't a mix of completely stupid or complete bigots?

>>54170069
Cus he's amazing.

>>54170095
Emperor's Warbringers. Imperial Fists + Raptors.

What would your army stratagems look like? I made some for Tau

Stratagems

2CP - Units under the effect of Kauyon count as being in cover until the start of your next turn.

3CP - Pick a BATTLESUIT or INFANTRY unit in your army. This turn it can target an enemy CHARACTER even if it is not the closest enemy unit.

1CP - Use during your shooting phase. You can pick a BATTLESUIT unit in your army. That unit can immediately move 2D6”. This does not count as moving the model for the purposes of any rules (eg. shooting heavy weapons, embarking, etc.).

2CP - Pick an enemy unit. It immediately gains 3 markerlights.

1CP - Use before rolling any dice for an attack. Instead of rolling that dice you can choose to make the dice a 6.

1CP - Pick a DRONE unit in your army. It can immediately move as if it were the movement phase or shoot as if it were the shooting phase. If the unit has more than 4 models then this Stratagem costs 2 CP instead.

1CP - Pick a unit in your army. That unit gains +1 to hit rolls for seeker missiles, and any seeker missiles fired by that unit can be used again in a subsequent turn. This stratagem cannot be used on the same unit more than once per battle.

>>54170072
>his waifu saves him
>still not enough
>they kiss
>with the power of love they win as he's too busy throwing up

>>54170114
These are broken as fuck.

>>54170095

Reasonable fists?

>>54170072

Watch them release a Fulgrim daemon prince but no new Emperor's Children models.

>>54170041
>A single full sized crusader squad with chainswords starts with 41 attacks and does something like 60 hits, I haven't bothered to fully mathout all the rerolls and extra hits.
I was thinking a smaller force so a full crusader squad then, Emperor's Campion and a Chaplain?

>>54170104

So the idea is to give up entirely on the idea of having very many models on the board and have your rubrics be cheerleaders for the Imperial Knight sized daemon prince flapping around?

>>54170072
>any kind of negative outcome for Imperium characters
Hahaha

>>54168950
Thousand Sons here, But they don't get Chosen, Fallen, Possessed.or Spawn on their list. Only upset about 3, as Possessed not what they should be.

Rubric and Sorcerer up and focus on one enemy at a time, biggest first. Load up those Rubrics with gear.

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I'm thinking of starting Black Templars because I don't have a marine army and honestly my local meta is light on Astartes.

Should I do primaris or stick to normal marines? Can bits from the BT upgrade sprues be used easily on primaris marines from the starter?

>>54170095
The Imperial fist keep suffering due to poor writing. It all started with Dorns sudden onset of autism before the Iron Cage.

>>54170117
Love-Love Burning Emperor Wraith Sword, go!

>>54170124
It is my hope that every army gets something equally powerful

>>54169583
Does anyone have any more imperial documents like this

>>54168950
rollan rollan rollan for munchin worlds

>>54170130
I didn't say he'd succeed.

Cus he won't. Snake bastard is fucked.

>>54168950

Will I roll my legion?

>>54170151
Fuck no. That is terrible.

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>>54170117
>Implying Fulgrim doesn't lose because Slaanesh is too busy schlicking to the hot Human on Eldar action to help him

>>54170134
The Shoulders and Heads yes, else no. I'd go regular.

>>54170128
>I was thinking a smaller force so a full crusader squad then, Emperor's Campion and a Chaplain?
Unless you truly don't have the points, then there's no reason to not bring grimaldus over a regular chaplian

>>54170132

Can the Rubricae use Obliterators? Seems like they shouldn't be able to.

To bad no jetpack rubricae

>>54170095
BT are efficient as fuck
They have the biggest kill count with a single strike.
The cyber psyker thingy Death killed a lot of thing in the process.
While a squad of a couple of dudes manage to defeat an enemy that other armies could not take down.

>>54170095
Hammers of dorn were jobbers

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What do I play? I'm new and hearing all the memes about each faction just leaves me disgusted. I want to kill them all, not join them.


I would play anything except Orks or Chaos, but it's all just meh.

>>54170184
I'm more sad no Rubric Bikers.

>>54170124

So basically a regular codex then

>>54169924
I assume you're discussing 7th edition, since those assorted tricks (Heavy sniping, mitigating Overwatch via LoS) are no longer valid in 8th.

IMO the 7e rules for shooting were the best of the 3e-7e system, but that's coming from remembering how in 5e that "50% cover" meant that if half a unit was in cover, the entire unit was in cover, and that "torrent of fire" was the best way to snipe your foe.

I played Chaos Marines. I was surprised how many people didn't know that you could avoid challenges by attacking a flank, or having your character hang back before pile-in. Or that you could roll for a Boon if you killed an enemy Character by *any* means other than Sweeping Advance. There was a certain...hilarity in watching a Termicide unit drop in, seeing them fry a Dev-Sgt with one plasma volley, seeing the Champ transform (uncommon but it did happen now and then, especially if you ran a Warband), then having him charge a second unrelated unit.

Likewise, folks that go "Tank Shock does nothing" and "Blasts do nothing" probably never used both together (or did Tank Shock from Outflank). Killing bubblewrap was always fun.

>>54170194
>Except Orks
ZOG OFF

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>>54170020
Well, not really any difference since there's not really another Admech model I can use that for. Didn't exactly ask their rationale. They do sometimes allow converted stuff - one of the billion Bangles kids has a converted Dante (for some reason) and local Nurglebro has a Chaos Knight done up with Terrorgheist bits and mandibles on the helmet, which looks pretty sweet.

I think they're just mega-paranoid about anything that changes the shape of or uses a different model as the base for some reason.

>>54170002

Really? I assure you it doesn't look a huge amount like the original Spider, head has had a Photon Thruster/Solar Atomiser implanted, legs have Kataphron track-plates armouring them and the back has been sliced up a fair bit for cables and the Archmagos' body.

>>54170014

Yeah, the store has wierd policies. Entirely unpainted and some unfinished models around? Go right ahead. Counts-Asing some Plasma Caliver Vanguard as Plasma Acolytes in Carapace in an Inquisition 7e Kill Team game? Get the fuck out of here with your filthy proxies.
I love converting things too, I'm thinking I need to find a new LGS or stick it out until I move. Got to be SOMEWHERE comfy around here.

I'm going to keep converting stuff, though, because it's fun, and maybe eventually I'll make a board and buy a battlemat and just play garagehammer.

>>54168950
>Traitor Legion
>Dark Angels
???

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>>54170114
1 cp - one of your tau empire units gets ws 2+, strength 10, + 5 attacks, ap -3, damage d3, and attacks first even if the enemy charged this turn.

>>54170194
>Except Chaos
PLAY WHATEVER BUT LOYALIST SCUM AND YOU ARE FINE!

>>54170194
Genestealer cults are the canon protagonists.

>>54170223

Dark Angels are the Chaos Legion hiding in plain sight

Alpha warriors are the Loyalist Legion hanging out in the Warp

>>54170216
Yes really, specially since people love throwing lawsuits around.

>>54170216

Jesus that's store policy? Are there no non-GW alternatives kicking around? I figure that when there's a GW store, they're usually not the only dog in town for the hobby.

>>54170262
Like poetry.

>>54170012
You think 12 year olds are playing single miniature armies/running massive hustling rings to procure dozens of free marines on the 12 year old black market? Your store have mug shots of various banned 12 year old marine mini scammers posted up?

>>54170216
If thats a proper GW store complain on facebook.

>>54170210
I had it happen ... too often that my Psyker killed a character with a psychic power, had to roll on the boon table, turned into a daemon prince ... and instantly stopped being a psyker, lost all wargear, and suddenly was a distraction carnifex in an army that depended on psychic buffs, debuffs and damage to be viable (Yes I play Thousand Sons)

>>54170072
>Fulgrim

He's dropped anon. Slaanesh is finished, they aren't touching anything to do with him.

>>54170194
>I want to kill them all, not join them.
malal/malice
is chaos, but the i kill chaos kind

>>54170216
That's retarded. Dime them out for it to GW on one of the GW Facebook pages.

>>54170279

Orkz are by far one of the most expensive armies to get into though.

And considering they tend to get gimped by codices for long periods of time briefly interspersed with new power units when they get new model launches it's never been that popular of an army.

Unless you have a bunch of 12 year old running around with Orkz and Gretchin from 2e boxed sets.

>>54170308
Nice meme son

It's amusing seeing people who pay for GW rulebooks flipping out on dakka, completely blind to the fact they have no reason to.

Yes, you need all the codexes to keep up with what's happening with the rules. That's exactly why anyone with common sense -doesn't- buy 40 £30 supplements.

>>54170068

I figured but this is one match up where skewing them wont be enough.

>>54170212
>unironically playing Orks

Doubt it

>>54170216
wow that's a fucked up policy.

Our store policy with unfinished models is they're fine so long as you are showing continual progress in painting.

Counts as conversions are fine (which does allow the one douche bag to get in with terrible conversions but it's better than having someone have to be the quality judge).

Counts as are limited to "all my x are y", and a friendly rule to keep that to a minimum and as clear as possible.

>>54169959
A friend got all my Ork musicians, Noise Marines and daemonettes (all metal) and is painting as a 'unit'. Should look awesome!

Waiting for Noise Marines, another player did conversions, naming and modeling each for a favorite rocker. Flea (U2) is one, a converted metal figure I do not recognize.

>>54170308
>More prominent in Gathering Storm 3 and the 8th Edition rulebook than Angron and the unaligned primarchs
>Getting dropped

Nice meme

>>54170069
>Painting Rubrics blue instead of Great Crusade era Reds

>>54170279
Are you really implying Orks are the 12 year army instead of marines?

You know the army that is on everything and that GW stores themself give free models away.
There is nothing wrong about liking marines, but come on they are pretty much target for children

>>54170363

I'd kind of be shocked if they don't focus on Angron and the World Eater next instead of Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children

>>54170358
>Flea (U2)
>U2

No.

>>54170175
>Eldar start fucking humans regularly
>Slaneesh is too busy fapping bunself into a coma to eat them
Genius man.

>>54170342
One of the first things GW confirmed during the first Q&A for the new edition was that Codexes will make a return. Heck, if you actually read the rulebook you cannot miss the fact that Indexes are mentioned nowhere, while there is almost a quarter of a page about how you will need a Codex in order to play your army and how it has more detailed fluff and rules about your favorite faction. Also, on the one hand crying about how there are no more chapter/legion/relic rules, and almost no flavourfull psychic powers, but then also complaining that Codexes are coming out this fast is just retarded.

Dakka never fails to amuse.

>>54170114
might be okay at 3.
broken, removes the point of the rule, you have snipers already
could be fine if it cost more 2CP.
Broken, automatic unavoidable effects are terrible
Broken, stupid, terrible
move part is okay, shoot not
no, you just use more markerlights to get that effect.

>>54170380
>Are you really implying Orks are the 12 year army instead of marines?
Run around screaming waaaagh
loving fast cars
loving big loud guns
dun care for anything
fuck da police
i can easily see orks being rather popular with children and manchildren (no offense intended)

>>54170389
Why?

>>54170114
>1CP to guarantee any D6 shot or D6 damage gets max 6

Tau players maximum ultimate undeniable confirmation for being either über nigger god saiyan 3 retarded and/or WAAC

>>54170178
Any advice on anything I should definitely include in my list? We're doing a summer escalation campaign with 500pt increments. I really don't know how to build a marine list.

>inb4 idiot

>>54170389
Khorne got huge daemon releases prior to Tzeentch thanks to AoS. Even Kharn got a new model. I believe Fulgrim and the EC will be first.

That said, I'd almost assume Abbadon would be updated before either

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>>54170403
So this is Yvraine's masterplan, and what she's using Gorillaman for ...

>>54170194
>I want to kill them all
necrons
tyranids
malal

>>54168950

Death Guard reporting in.

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Finally get to have fun playing my homebrew marines this edition. Pretty much everyone who can takes powerfist or hammers, and all the dreads are venerable. It focuses on massed bolter fire until they get to melee to put the chainswords to work. Its like all the pieces fell in together.

>>54170429
Remember you can only use a stratagem once per phase

>>54170297
One of many many reasons Wrath of Magnus annoyed me. Exalted Sorcerers with all sorts of random mutations...what was the point of the Rubric of Ahriman again?

7e had the issue that low-level psykers simply didn't scale up, so GK/TS were sadface. What was hilarious was Siphon Magic let a Psyker store Warp Charge...except that a ML 1 Aspiring Sorcerer couldn't use them because it counted as his only power for the turn! Thus, all spare Warp Charge went to Magnus, meaning you only saw him with Daemons.

In 8th...you get Rule of One, and Aspiring Sorcerers tossing out "baby Smite". Not exactly an improvement to balance.

>>54170467
>>54169747
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>54170320
>he thinks 12 year olds care about min maxing and codex status
>he doesn't think 12 year olds have random 2E hand me downs from big brother or yard sales or dads extra AoBR boys

That's exactly what they have though. Did you think all those crappy old ork models like picklehaub gretchens were in museum displays and actual adult ork armies? Did you think all these questions I've been asking you weren't rhetorical? Are you an idiot?

>>54170499
Double deathguard, what does it mean?

>>54170498

if AoS is anything to go by, bigger faction specific psychic power tables will make a return in codexes.

>>54170499
Just according to keikaku

>>54170436

Oh definitely Failbaddon's model is fucking ancient and relatively cheap and would be easy as fuck for GW to release some massive model.

Hell they could even make him Guiliman scale by saying he got a powerup from all the Gods as a reward for destroying Cadia.

>>54170436
>Khorne got huge daemon releases prior to Tzeentch thanks to AoS.

We're not talking about Daemons. We're talking about Angryron and his World Eaters.

But it's a toss up. Angron and World Eaters vs. Ghazghull and Orks vs. Vulcan and the Defenders of Armageddon (Salamanders, Steel Legion, Black Templars)

For a three way for Warzone: Armageddon

>>54170266
>>54170280
>>54170317

There are some chill dudes there, but yeah, real place. I'll start looking for somewhere else a tad more enthusiastically now, since there's already a billion kids there and it's only going to get worse in a couple weeks when summer starts.
Not going to bother bitching on Facebook, not really worth it given it's one of their titchy one-man stores (well, one man and his somewhat dickish teen kid, in this case).
Seriously, 4 boards that are only 4x4, two hosting the 40k and AoS display games at all times (even when there's guys waiting for a game, which I always thought was odd), one given over to whatever release is happening and a small painting area. When DI had launched, I went in for an Admech vs. Nids with 8e rules and found one board dedicated to an AoS Skirmish event and the other to the Starter Set games.

I learned how to play from internet batreps, my first game was after spending two days sitting there and assembling models and I STILL knew the rules better than my opponents. No, you do not place the small blast over all 10 of my Skitarii spread out, roll 1d6 like a normal shot and then announce you'd hit all of them, and ID does not inherently deny saves.

Games Workshop Exeter, not even once.
Sorry to bitch, just fed up with only occasionally getting a game on the few days I have enough free time to go in.

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What;'s going on in this picture?

>>54170533
They just said that we're getting more powers.

>>54170553
Birbs vs doggos.

>>54170435
Stack buffs. Crusader Squads are good. Make sure you have delivery mechanisms.

Emperor's Champ mauls characters and monsters. Chaplain Grim and his Servitors are amazing.

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>>54168950

Hoping for that 7.

And also hoping that the codexes bring down the price of Dire Avengers. I don't really use them in my list but goddamn that shit is ridiculous

>>54170543
They don't even really need a new explanation why Abbadon's mudel is fuckhuge. His lore has always been that he is that much larger compared to other marines that people speculate that he is a clone attempt of Horus.

>>54170556

great. I hope the base marine codex powers can be used by all loyalist marines.

>>54170423
So you have no idea.

Marines are the army for kids. They are the most easy to collect army out there.

So will GW make Intercessors less mediocre with the Marine codex?

Based upon the fluff it sounds like the Bolt Rifles can switch between a standard mode and a full dakka mode so how soon before we get a second firing mode on the Primaris Intercessors so that they have long range sniping and short range dakka?

>>54170586
Death Guard would not wipe anything off his brow, and this is why you fail

>>54170624
Cant they just come out with primaris tacticals so we can have some good multipurpose?

>>54170624

expect this rule

>Fury of the Emperor
>Once per game during the shooting phase an intercessor squad may declare a Fury of the Emperor attack. Until their next shooting phase, change their Bolt Rifle weapon type to Rapid Fire 2. Any unit that declares a Fury of the Emperor attack may not shoot again in their next shooting phase.

>>54170544
They tied the Thousand Sons release to Tzeentch. They could easily create a GUO to go with the Death Guard stuff. I doubt they'd do Angron so soon after Khorne has been focussed on heavily for almost all of 2016. They aren't the same thing, sure, but they aren't entirely seperate.

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>>54168950
Gimme that 4, or it's DECIMATION.

>>54168950
Let me roll too !

>>54170638
He's smearing more on.

>>54170598

If they want to play up his totally not Horus aspects then yeah a primarch Huge model would make sense. Not Angron/Magnus levels of HUEG but still something that would look good at the head of a new set of Black Legion models.

>>54168950
>Thousand Sons
>not 9

>>54170069
So when are you buying Magnus anon?

>>54170624
Because the swap is changing parts. Expect different options but it'll be one type only. Special weapons maybe, cheaper probably.

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>>54170553

I don't know. Let me enhance it for you.

>>54170678
He goofed up all the God Legions except for Death Guard at 7.

>>54170460
>necrons

Destroyer cult necrons

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>8th edition codex [army you play]
>written by Mat Ward

We need a third roll of 7 for some apotheosis shit up in this thread.

>>54169010
honestly I can't wait until some primaris get lost in the warp and come back as god knows what

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>>54170114
Black Templar Stratagems

1CP-One Enemy unit within Line of Sight of High Marshall Helbrecht, any captain or chaplain suffers 2d6 S8 AP-2 1dmg aas they are hit from orbital bombardment.
2CP- A single chosen unit adds D6'' to their charge range
4CP- A unit doubles their attack characteristic in the current fight phase

Emperor's Champion Vows, if an army contains one Emperor's Champion then it may purchase one of the following stratagems and add them to your stratagem pool

Uphold the Honour of the Emperor
1CP-Advancing units within 6'' of the EC give a -1 to hit penalty to enemy units targeting them in the following shooting phase, these units may not receive cover bonuses for this turn

Abhor the Witch
3CP-Units within 6'' of the EC can deny psychic powers on a 4+ and reroll to wound in close combat if there's a psyker in it, lasts for a turn.

Accept Any Challenge
2CP-A single unit gains +1 to hit in close combat for this turn.

Suffer Not the Unclean to Live
2CP-A single unit gains +1 Strength in close combat for this turn

I just want the Vows back.

How many chaos cultist do I need to bring for them to be scary?

>>54170553
Razorwing Flocks are 7 points a model for 4 wounds and 8 S2 attacks, that hit on 5+.

Beastmasters let nearby Beast units reroll to hit. Since it's Ynnari, he also has a Farseer with Doom (allowing rerolls to wound since its not tied to Faction).

This means a single 70-point unit of 10 Flocks rolls:
80 dice to hit. Average of ~ 27 hits. Reroll an average of ~53 dice, for another 18 hits on average.
Now roll about ~45 dice to wound. We'll round off and say 7 wound. You now roll another 37 dice to wound for another ~6 wounds.

Congrats, you just rolled ~215 dice for resolving the attacks of a 70-point unit.

>>54170683

Currently though the detachment rules make Intercessors completely mediocre. I'm sure GW wants to sell new Primaris models but right now most people are going to avoid Intercessors and just use Marinelets for Tactical squad uses especially since Primaris have no Boxes currently.

I hope IF get like +1 to hit with bolt weapons or some other Bokter Drill style buff for Chapter Tactics.

>>54170712
Matt Ward isn't doing codexes.

Little question here, the rules on deepstriking says to place the model more than 9" away from enemy models, surely it doesn't mean you get to place them exactly at 9" ?

>>54170725
Broken as can be.

>>54170746
That you know of.

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>>54170737

>Detachment rules make intercessors mediocre

intercessors have plenty of stuff that makes them mediocre but how does the detachment system seal the deal?

>>54170737
The codex will add their hover transport, and I suspect more too. Maybe it'll be a dual kit.

I'm guessing we'll see more options in general.

Depending in Chapter Tactics, I'll either go Warbringers or Raptors probably (ie: IF or RG). Use Anvil Industries and tac out the Bolt Rifles.

>>54170648
So 40k fury of the legion

>>54170737
>since Primaris have no Boxes currently.
Thought we already got sneak previews of the multi-part kits for Intercessors and Hell Blasters.

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>>54170712
>8th edition codex [army you play]
>written by Robin Cruddance

>>54170747

You cannot place them at exactly 9", they must be at least 9.00000000...01", which means to make it within 1" of the enemy you must roll a 9 on your charge roll.

Also 18" rapid fire guns cannot rapid fire

>>54170747
>place the model more than 9" away from enemy models,
>surely it doesn't mean you get to place them exactly at 9"?

I dunno. Do you think more than 9 and exactly 9 are the same thing?

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>>54170712
>>54170792
>8th edition codex [army you play]
>written by [author you dislike]

I'd love to see Intercessors get like option for a few to take auto bolt rifles and a few to take Stalker Bolt Rifles.

They'd legit be a fireteam. SAW and Designated Marksman.

>>54170770

There aren't any current rules that force you to take Intercessors as the Primaris "troop" type

>>54170786

Boxes meaning transports. As long as tacticals can ride around in Rhinos and Land Raiders they have a lot more felxibility than Primaris Intercessors.

>>54170811
>space wolves codex
>written by Dan Abnet

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>a nu-male
>a drug addict
>an angry management patient

>>54170792
It's a hit or miss.
Pretty sure the Crud wrote the SM codex and that was pretty decent.

So long as Crud doesn't have a hate-boner towards your faction. I think you're good.

>>54170114
okay most of those are terrible, but here are some ideas for Craftworld Eldar

Webway Assault-2cp: Before deploying models, pick one Asuryani infantry unit, that unit may deploy anywhere outside of your enemies deployment zone and more than 12" from any enemy model.

Fatecast: 1cp. Use this stratagem before the battle or at the end of your turn. Roll two dice, the result will replace the next tactical objective you generate.

Wind Riders: 1CP: Use before the first battle round. A Saim-Hann Jetbike or Vyper unit may as if it were the movement phase

The Cutting Wind: Use during the shooting phase. A Saim-Hann jetbike or Vyper unit may fire heavy weapons as if it had not moved this turn.

Seers Council: -3 CP. If your army is Ulthwe, then you may use any psykic power up to two times this psykic phase.

Ghost Warriors: 1CP. Use at the start of the turn, a Iyanden Spirit Host unit gains the battle focus rule for this turn.

Wraithful Spirit: 2cp, You may reroll failed to wound rolls with one Iyanden Spirit Host unit this phase.

Children of Khaine: 2cp: a unit of Biel-Tan Aspect Warriors may reroll failed to hit rolls this phase.

something rangers for Alaitoc.

>>54170845

Together, they fight crime!

>>54170134

Use normal marines. The appeal of BT is the unique units and corresponding playstyle, and there are no Primaris units unique to BT. If you went with Primaris only they wouldn't play like Templars so much as "Black Primaris Marines with crosses".

Upgrade kit cannot be used for Primaris Marines, with the exception of little bits like the crusader seals, scrolls, etc.

>>54170725
Some of these are reasonable, others not so much

Its like you started by trying to make them broken on purpose to prove a point but ended up with some good ideas

Sup fa/tg/uys, need idea for Traitor Warband name (and moar fluff) basically beeing VC in sphess, heavy skeleton cultist loadout, medicore amount of Vehicles, few elite Power Armour users. Fluff is build around wierd demon pulp found in BA ship after warp-voyage, with took hearts of 13 SM that survived demons assault (basically Hunger Games made by demon-meat) and turned them immortal. Not changing them into a DP tho. But warp snorting them from place where they were killed to the ship through the demonpulp. Now they are obsessed in making whathever-the-fuck-they-want and creating empire of dead, enslaved creatures. Ideas?

>>54170829
Another problem is you have to take a whole squad of special weapons to bring special weapons. And sergeants can't bring sergeant melee weapons.

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>>54170811
>8th edition codex [army you play]
>written by Phil Kelly
It's actually a curse because now you can't play your faction without being callled a WAACfag

>>54170845
>blonde hair, brown beard
>GW still going with Sanguinius with fucking dreadlocks... WHY?
>Girlyman literally looking older than he did 10k later

Fucking GW. Also, please don't say Sanguinius will get rules with sword + spear. Also, where the fuck are his wings? WHAT IS THIS PICTURE?

>>54170829
you don't need to take 'troops' in the current rules.

And the intercessors are the only primaris marines I've been impressed with.

>grey knight codex
>written in red crayon

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>>54170811
>>54170792
>>54170712
>8th edition codex [army you play]

If the SM codex has rules for the Silver Skulls, I'm building a Primaris force. I know, there's little chance they'll have anything. My wallet prefers it, but it's still tempting me.

>>54170891
>And the intercessors are the only primaris marines I've been impressed with.
Do you mean the Interceptors?

Intercessors kinda blow

>Tfw no suicide bomb cultists

That would be rad as fuck to strap a vest of krak grenades on em and charge the enemy

>>54169598
>>54169631
I bought the Dwarf edition for 1st one and Lizardmen edition for 2nd. If Mazdamundi doesn't get the Zlaqq mount I'm going to rage.

>>54170927
Ariana Grande style?

>>54170858
>Fatecast: 1cp. Use this stratagem before the battle or at the end of your turn. Roll two dice, the result will replace the next tactical objective you generate.

I kinda like it. But I'd change it to be something along the lines of

At the Start of your turn, after drawing cards you may peak at the top card of yours (or your opponent's???) deck.

Let's you have a chance of using that knowledge, while at the end of your turn you really can't act of what you're spending CP on.

I still believe Chapter Tactics as we know wont be back, they'll either be 4th edition style where you basically make your own Chapter Tactics from a pool of bonuses and restrictions OR they'll be replaced by stratagems.

>>54170891

That's the problem.

GW is nominally focused on selling minis but one of there new lines has models that have very limited utility currently and people can focus on the other Primaris marines instead.

Do you continue to have Intercessors be mediocre knowing that it means less sales of the Intercessors or do you give them a power up in the new Codex coming out so that instead of people just getting another squad of Reivers or Hellblasters they actually buy and paint Intercessors?

>>54170919
Inceptors are way too expensive for what they bring imo