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>>54157711
Babby Jace. What weaknesses?

>>54157711
>question
Kumano. I use Null Brooch, Chaos Warp, Capricious Efreet and Spine of Ish Sah to help for more coverage.

>>54157711
Feldon because he's easily one of the coolest cards in the game. I make up for mono-R's weaknesses by GOING FASTER.

Suddenly I want to make a Sliver Overlord EDH with a Shields of Velis Vel in it.

Are slivers okay as long as I don't make infinite tokens with Sliver Queen or what?

>>54157711
Selvala NO WEAKNESS

>>54157842
be prepared to be hated off the the moment you flip over your commander

>>54157842
Slivers are never ok

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>>54157711
Sram, Sram, he's our man.
Drawn by Rahn, I love dat hand.

>>54157842
You'll be a target no matter what if your group has any kind of experience with Slivers. They tend to snowball out of control and generate exponential value just by being on the table. It'll take a little while for them to realize that you aren't doing anything degenerate with them. You'll have to tough it out through that.

>>54157866
>>54157870
>>54157881
I'll think about it.

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First for new commander sux/is bretty cool shitposting

>>54157907
As far as tribal commanders go, it's pretty good. Cats don't have much support yet, but we might see something good come out of it. My girlfriend will probably like it

>>54157881
>>54157902
honestly id hate target you all out first no matter when, even if i knew your were not being a degenerate cause fuck slivers

>>54157907
I don't know why they didn't make it Naya. Just give it a 2R or 1RR activation cost

>>54157933
Brimaz is okay.

Kemba's good with voltron. Raksha's awesome.

>>54157943
Because wotc is retarded and loves cats for some reason.

>>54157939
I don't play them, I just know from experience (watched a guy get ass mangled because he was eating a lot of hate despite not doing much) that Slivers are pretty fucked. They skew threat perception because they can become a massive threat at any time and with little warning.

>>54157711
>no discord link
Seriously you mother fuckers? At least put a thread title and an edition. What are you, twelve? Are you afraid of my massive discord cock or something? Just grow the fuck up.

>>54157965
The problem is that playing Mono-W in EDH is suffering.

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>>54157711
>favorite mono color commander
NO REST
NO MERCY
NO
MATTER
WHAT

It's a voltron deck with a decent amount of rocks and you have to make getting Sword of the Animist your top priority because lol8mana

might as well import my autism here

>>54157914
harmonize and concentrate are costed very generously, and are rare exceptions. even then, they're 4 mana draw spells and are therefore more efficient.

i don't really understand why you're bringing up cantrips either. they replace themselves. when you cast git probe, you're paying 1 mana to look at your opponent and replace the card. that's why git probe's effect isn't as strong as giant growth's. it replaces itself, while giant growth doesn't.

this shouldn't be that hard to understand

>>54157949
find me a draw 2 spell at 2 mana with no additional drawback, and i'll accept that a card is worth exactly 2 mana.

>>54157983
Then how about Jedit Ojanen instead? He's like turbo-Brimaz.

>>54158008
Ancestral Recall.

on the subject of mono color weaknesses, how jank is isamaru?

>>54158011
He's a 7-mana do-nothing commander who isn't good for much besides flavor.

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>>54157711
>What is your favorite mono color commander and how do you make up for its colors weaknesses?
Gonti

I use Unstable Obelisk and stolen cards to help with artifact/enchantment hate. I'd love a Karn, but they're so expensive.

>>54158008
>>54158018
BTFO

>>54158018
illegal card friend

>>54157988
Solid RW wrath protection, but don't use them with tokens.

>>54158031
Voltron is white's only real hope. Isamaru isn't significantly worse than most things since getting your commander out T1 is pretty huge, but "not bad for mono White" isn't actually a compliment. I'd rather just run Sram.

>>54158060
>actually listening to Sheldor

>>54157711
OG Drana is my favorite, and black doesn't really have any weaknesses, but I compensate by never casting her, unless I can alpha strike/run out of fatties/can't reanimate anything.

I also run whip of erebos for surprise lifelink to make up for all the life loss that's about to happen.

>>54158056
It is not an honest mistake, I purposefully left it out.

>>54158060
No one said anything about in EDH. Ancestral Recall is a card that exists, therefore it can be used in an argument.

>>54157914
>Harmonize trades 4 for 3, or 1.3.

i only now realized how retarded you truly are

harmonize costs a card to cast. you pay 4 mana AND A CARD to gain 3 CARDS which means you only gained 2 NEW CARDS which means each card cost you 2 MANA which means you paid 2 MANA for EACH NEW CARD

>>54158092
Which would still mean that it would be worth 3 mana, not 3.5 mana. You're wrong regardless. And it's not Giant Growth, it's a more conditional Giant Growth.

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>>54158084
>hurr look at me I'm cool because I remove something people like
fu*k u bitch nigga ur a bitch

>>54157907
New meme deck for people to whine when the inevitable Pyroclasm wipes their board of X/2s.

>>54158123
You can say fuck and nigger on the internet anon.

>>54158120
you're paying an opportunity cost by casting a 4 mana draw spell. higher cost spells are more efficiently costed because of counterspells, aggro/tempo pressure, etc.

you're right that it's a conditional giant growth, and that's the point that people should have argued against me all along. i still think it's gay as fuck because it's free value every turn from a creature that is more or less removed from the game

>>54158141
just like ur mum last night m8

>oh fu*k me harder nigga my husbands dik made a bitch ass cuk

I bet you play some janky stinky titiana deck and don't even understand competetive EDH.

>>54158168
>janky stinky titiana deck
Yes. Your mother Crop Rotates on my cock.

>>54158198
bitch, I just made a ur mum joke, make up ur own humor I'm OG

ur titana deck would eat a bitch dick with my smokestack

>>54157907
i saw this coming. ever since the dragon leak people have been wondering "what are the other 3 tribes??"

but it was right in front of their faces the whole time.
>cat dragon
>dragon avatar
>spirit dragon
dragon, cat, spirit, avatar.

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>>54158285
>No eldrazi
Fug, someday we will get better devoid, exile matters and <>, someday

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>>54158285
HOO

>>54158048
No Universal Solvent?

>>54158327
They should've been legends.

>>54158327
Do Hybrid Mana Symbols count as one of each for devotion?

>>54158370
Ye

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>>54158285
>no skeletons

Fuck! Why did you lie to me, /edh/?

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Almost anything black can't do can be compensated with artifacts

>>54158285
>Avatar
>not Human

Taigam's the key, anon, not that two of our face commanders are Avatars. I bet the last two are also Avatars with Eminence though, I'll give you that.

>>54158370
They only count for one symbol but they're applied to both colors. So Fists of the Demigod would count as 1R for Purphoros and 1B for Erebos, but it would still only be 1 devotion towards activating Mogis.

>>54158412
Enchantments and Artifacts are still a bitch though, hence why GB is such a good color combo. It covers nearly everything.

>>54158340
I'm not sure it's worth it. Seems strictly worse than Unstable Obelisk and Scour from Existence. Might be better in mono blue, due to artifact interactions though.

>>54158412
Examples?
Gonna build her next.

>>54158471
steel hellkite is my MVP
lightning greaves/swiftfoot boots for haste/evasion
expedition map to find cabal coffers/urborg/nykthos or hate lands
i also run grip of desolation because it can kill Iona

Im the fag who plays daxos the returned and I have too much social anxiety to play with people at a lgs. What do?

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>>54157907
>is in the command zone effect

>>54158525
We already know that all of the cover commanders from C17 will have an in-the-command-zone effect.

>>54157907
If this is lolcats it's shit.
If it's Avatars and we get Snek, Doge and Birb Avatars, it can be saved as the ultimate memedeck.

>>54158545
Tribal Giants confirmed?

>>54158238
Mom jokes are easy.
Like your mom.

>>54158553
It's almost certainly only Cats considering that its effect is only useful for Cats.

>>54158553
You missed part where it says "Feline Ferocity".

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post spicy cards you recently found

>>54158553
>feline ferocity
>effect targets/pumps exclusively cats
You blind?

Return to Theros will have a colorless god representing atheism.

>>54158618
>dragon deck has a human in it

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>>54158604

The ability to drop it two turns early, making it an eight-mana Scour, feels more useful than as a poor mana rock, I feel like maybe worth the additional slot.

>>54158561
they can't possibly fuck it up more than they already have

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>>54157943
>naya

no, if i can't run spooky mirri, it's still shit

>>54158604
Literally just copped this card because someone posted in this thread. Works perfect in my black sac deck

>>54158820
Foil ones are like 60 cents

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-07-17-hapatra-edh/

R8 plz

getting a custom playmat of pic related :^]

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>>54158604
I found it a while ago but I think it's worth being put in any spicy tech discussion
>stuck on two lands the whole game
>GR stompy dude ramps up and casts Vorinclex
>cast this
>cast reanimate on my next turn

>>54158844
i thought you couldnt add cards in your deck if it didnt have the same color identity, dual mana symbols included?

>>54158618
Commander decks always have one nigga who didn't read the memo and has a completely different strategy.
Birb Avatar is a posibility until it isn't.

>>54158863
You can't.

>>54158882
then
>>54158844
does not have a valid deck

>>54158889
Correctomundo

>>54158902
>>54158902
fixed. I just changed it over from scorpion god; forgot about kulrath knight

>>54158412
>waifu
>posts the bad artwork

>>54158844
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-07-17-hapatra-edh/
I feel like you have plenty of ways to make snakes, but you could use more ways of making snakes into victories. I recommend Sadistic Hypnotist, Regal Force, Woodfall Primus, and Natural Order.

Has Harvest Season worked out well for you?

>>54158553
It wont be Avatars because I'm guessing the face card for all the other decks will be Avatars for their own tribe
>Cat Avatar
>Dragon Avatar
Also that deck is going to be cats you dumb dumb.

is flipped hanweir captain pretty much the only cleric token shitter?

>>54159457
Westvale abbey and heliod both produce cleric tokens as well but only for mana.

>>54159457
Westvale Abbey and Heliod.

Speaking of westvale abbey, am I able to use it in a monoblack deck or is that not possible because the tokens it produces are black and white?

>>54159519
The color words don't count as a color identity, just the symbols. You can use the Abbey.

>>54159496
forgot about heliod. still expensive but not as slow or pointless as westvale

>>54159519
no white mana symbol, so it is legal

>>54159568
Awesome, thanks.

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how the shit do I get into mtg? my buddy and I mess around with his vehicle and vampire decks, but I'm not sure what boosters or set to buy. we're pretty casual.

t. 3 (regrettable) years of hearthstone player

>>54159669
Well you should research formats hard before buying anything. I bought a bunch of modern and ended up liking edh more.

>>54159693

Did you buy kaladesh? I'm thinking about dropping $15 on these 1k ebay bundles

>>54159716
1k ebay bundles?

>>54159734

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Over-1000-Magic-the-Gathering-MTG-card-lot-with-FOILS-RARES-INSTANT-COLLECTION-/262935816215?epid=521031133&hash=item3d38322817:g:RBEAAOSw241Yi4di

>>54159716
If you want to get into edh, buy one of the precons and play it to get a feel for the format.

>>54159716
>1k ebay bundles
I don't know what you're referring to, but that sounds sketchy.

If you're interested in EDH, just buy a pair of EDH precons for you and your buddy to dip your toes in the format. Standard might be a better starting point though, as it's a hell of lot less complex.

>>54159741
arent these just repacks and you end up with almost the same for what you buy?

>>54159741
I guess if you want to just dick around and build some kitchen table decks with your friend, that's probably alright. I would not expect there's any financially valuable cards in that pile though, so keep that in mind.

>>54159669
What >>54159743 said. The precons are decently fun when played against each other and they typically have decent build-around commanders that you and your friends can play around with and upgrade until you're more comfortable with deckbuilding. That being said, EDH is a weird format compared to most others and won't give you a very good view of Magic as a whole. EDh/Commander requires you to evaluate cards differently than for other formats.

If you aren't sure you're ready for EDH or constructed Magic in general, go to a draft game at your local game store. You pay the entry fee and you pass around some packs with a few other people and build decks out of them and play against each other with those. You'll have to learn deck building on the fly, but it's a good exercise and can be fun.

>>54159741
Always buy singles unless you are drafting or just really, really enjoy opening packs (or are getting specialty product, like commander precons), and then never expect anything good.

>>54159741
I cannot stress this enough. NEVER BUY REPACKAGED PRODUCT. Buy singles that you want or you are flushing money away

>>54159802
If you draft, make sure you are not rare drafting, which is where you draft, then after the draft everyone pools their rares together and the people who won get to pick your expensive, nice cards.

>>54159839
>>54159826
>>54159802
>>54159793

thanks guys

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What's too much money for EDH in your opinion?

I'm sitting with 170 in the cart and really wrestling with it. To be fair I have a "cube" of cards that I use to make EDH decks from and it'd be a really solid package of staples.

How much is too much for you fa/tg/uys?

>>54159839
Idk, I think those bundles of ~1000 cards for $20 or less is not terrible for a new player, provided their expectations of what's inside are properly set. A new player could have a decent time learning how to play with a bunch of other people's draft leftovers. It's probably fine for learning Magic, but that anon understands the basics of the core gameplay, he should really start drafting, playing standard, or trying out EDH with a precon.

>>54160014
If it's staple cards that I feel like I could use in other decks, then I'd probably go up to around $200 or maybe a little more. If it's expensive jank that would only be good for one deck (not even decks that share a similar style like, say, a specific artifact that would be good for the one deck but that I wouldn't play in other artifact decks), then I keep it under $100.

>>54160038
*but once that anon understands the basics

>>54158285
That doesn't really follow when it's impossible to play the cat dragon with the cat deck.

>>54159669
Draft and sealed formats are the best way to get a grasp on the game and will ultimately be the best product to dollars deal you get. Especially if you are good enough to place well. (I'm pretty shit myself and usually walk away with at least a few prize packs). Anything else buy singles you want. If you want to try out Commander I would check out your card shop on their casual play night. You can observe and get a feel for it. Decent chances someone would let you borrow a deck even.

>>54160116
Sure you can, cut all the good white cats and make the cat dragon your general and fill the huge number of empty slots with whatever.

>>54160116
Maybe not with the avatar itself but it seems like they are making an effort to have the decks be pretty modular. Buy 2 decks have the pieces to construct 3. Sell more that way.

>>54157711
Can the next person to make the thread please do it right and put the fucking thread title in the subject line?

>>54160210
no one else seemed to have a hard time finding it, u tarded or something m8?

>>54160271
>Didn't say I had a hard time
>Assuming

All I said is that the title goes in the subject line. This is posting 101, if someone is going to make a thread they should do it right. Stop trying act cool.

>>54157907
Kitty!

>>54160307
are you one of those people who spergs out on typos as well?

>>54158654
Who's Dragon/rebound tribal. Are you expecting a Bird or Dog with Cat tribal effects?

>>54157907
So Spirits will be some new Innistradi Spirit (Saint Traft retrain maybe?) In UW and Humans will be either Bant, Boros or Naya, right?

>>54160349
Maybe. Like they tutor for a cat or something and the flavour is they're being chased by a cat.

>>54159839
>bought Atraxa deck for 30 bucks at release
>that price inflation
I dunno man, sometimes it works.

>>54160317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DHXaGXJixs

>>54160434
I'd rather have the spirit of Azor I.

>>54158011
More like Brimaz's tard brother who keeps tripping and falling down the stairs

>>54160271
Thread traffic does noticeably decrease when a retard fucks up the subject though. This thread should be more active after the cat reveal.

Stop trying to save face and admit you are a fucking retard. Unless trolling /edhg/ was your goal all along.

>>54158370
No. There's only a single mana symbol, which is only thing that matters

>>54154180
So I realized you're not wrong. I hadn't considered that there would be people so Johnny that they'd be fine with the combo being divorced from an actual victory.
Sorry Anon, enjoy your games.

>>54159716
>>54160456
That is less gambling desu. Pre-constructed decks are not randomized product. Relying in someone else's honesty or anything in a random packing is gambling.

>>54160606
This me
That isn't gambling.*

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>>54157907
This is stupid, why in the same set print these so they are incompatible. Especially when wizards are pushing cats
Why not just make the cat avatar kind. The heck.

>>54160642
Slow down and form a coherent thought. We'll wait.

>>54160642
I kind of like this. Still way shittier than many of the other jund legends

>>54157907
All the people saying they were making WUBRG commanders should be mocked. That was never going to happen. I wonder if they will, however, do a 5, 4, 3, 2 color pattern or if its just random.

>>54160662
This cat dragon doesn't work for Arahbo, and vice versa. it's a cat, why make them so they can't be in each other's commander decks?

>>54160541
the last thread was up for over 24 hours before hitting the post cap and this one is half filled up after 4 hours, fuck off retard

>>54160775
Why would you want them in each other's decks? Arahbo kind of sucks. In fact Wasitora's not that amazing either if you weren't planning on running Jund colours anyhow.

>>54160775
So you could have a cat commander that works for scarred puma and evil mirri. The majority of players don't want red or black cats, they want green white, so making the cat deck a 4 color monstrosity was stupid. They couldn't make the cat dragon green white because sacrificing your opponents creatures isn't in either of those colors.

Satisfied?

>>54160808
I'm more just bummed they can't be in eachothers deck, arabho does kinda suck, but the emminice is better then what wasitora would be as a cat commander. Why not just make Arahbo jund?

>>54160784
Which is still slower than it should be for a new reveal of a commander product. If you had been around long enough to learn how to post you would understand this, newfag.

>>54160846
Because there should be a Raksha in Arahbo.

building the locust god
is
>shit ton of wheels
>labman
>ETI
>omniscience

is that a good place to start?

is there any cards that are insane that i need

>>54160823
Personally, I would have liked a 4 color cat commander with arabhors ability. Thats just me though.

>>54159110
Maybe he's a poorfag, this version cost half the price of normal,

>>54160882
Skullclamp and ashnod's/phyrexian altar are required pretty much.

>>54160872
Shit I forgot about rakasha.

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>>54160882
Arjun, the Shifting Flame, Mindmoil and Teferi's Puzzle Box give you the serious draw power you want without discarding your cards.

>>54158285
Don't forget RB Minotaurs

>>54160434
Humans need to be either Mardu, Abzan or Naya. Bant would be shit.

I have a odric, master tactician deck that I really want to worl but its just trash way too slow can barely keep 4 creatures alive and even if I do tapping small mono white creatures dont do enough. How the fuck do I spice this deck up?

Mono-Blue Wizards
Selesnya Cats
Esper Spirits
All-Color Dragons

The true path.

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>>54161032
By Crusading, of course!

>>54159839
>>54160456
Precons have nothing to do with repacks. That's the way stores offload their random bulk trash that otherwise doesn't matter. Some stores take it a step further and give the illusion of someone getting a shot at something of value.

>>54159669
since this is the edh thread, it's hard to find a better deal than the commander anthology. you'll be dropping around $140 for it, but in return get a lot of neat cards worth the asking price. it gives you 4 decks in the most popular format, so two more friends can join in if they feel like it. better than drafting an amonkhet box for $90

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How's this card in boros stax?

>>54161036
>3 WU decks, 1 R
Nope.
>5C Dragon
>GW Cat
>5C Human
>UBR Zombie

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>>54157711
This can smooth our your draws in those non-blue decks.

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>>54157711

EDH missing, AHHH WHY! NO!

>>54161328
>>54161328
Seems like it has 0 synergy with other stax cards. Probably fun if you want to screw over blue mages. You can also use wheels to turn every game into magic the topdecking.

That being said, this doesn't work with smoke stack, null rod, winter orb, etc. The traditional stax package. It just works OK in a normal Boros list

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>>54161456
Ok, well how about this thing?

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>>54160014

My curated colorless eldrazi deck was about $120, I just now got grim monolith, had mana vault from when kid, I'm going to plug it into tapped out and I'm guessing it's about $200. I shy away from >$10 cards until now.

>>54161524
I don't think you know what stax is, anon.

Why not just run avacyn/darietti/akroma's monument or whatever and blow everything up?

>>54161544
I guess I don't. I'm just trying hard to make boros not jank.

>>54157711

I will be boycotting any thread that does not include the discord link. Be aware that this thread will be missing out on my good advice and cleverly named deck lists (I use Jojo references in all of them).

>>54161601
>boros
>not jank
Pick one and only one.

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>>54158005

>She will never say that to you as she forces you to cum for the 4th time using her feet

>>54161669
I pick blow up all your lands and smash face you UGx player!

>>54161713
Neat. I won ten turns ago.

>>54161641
Jojoposter here. Please don't lump us in with the discordposters.

Put General in the subject so my filter picks this shit up

>>54160882

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-06-17-the-locust-god/

Is the list I have been using the past couple weeks. It's pretty fun.

The mox on my field contains mana that gets recharged when I jack it with a bro who also has a mox. It lets me cast sorceries, instants, creatures, etc. Nobody knows it's a JO moxen but me and my bros. I have seen it glow white while jerking it with a bud that's how I know this is real. You can come over for as long as you want but I need a picture of you preferably holding a mox before I waste my time.

>>54161909
post it

>Hey we're gonna do tribal commanders
>Here's some 5-color dragons
>"I wonder what the other tribals are gonna be?"
>Are they going to be iconics? Maybe popular deck archetypes?
>lol here's a selesnya cat
I also thought we were going with a "important flavor creatures" theme seeing as we got the actual Ur-Dragon, O-Kagachi, Ramos, and even that cat from a book in 2002.

>>54161909
i'm both proud and ashamed that i get this reference

>>54162232
first month on 4chan?

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>>54162174
>seles-nya
DELET THIS

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should i?
the price will rise correct?

>>54162423

Never preorder.

>>54162423
>>54162463
it'll most likely drop, if anything

>>54162423

But it in 2.1 years. It's all about Khans today, are you registering any of this?!

>>54162423
It's almost always going to drop.

The only time you pre-order is if you are confident the price is going to jump (maybe you see something that nobody else does, like goyf) or if the money is negligible.

After recommendation I bought the decked app for my iphone, and quite happy with it, despite being a bit expensive with add ons.

BUT THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS HAVE A SEPARATE APP FOR THE IPAD! You are forced to buy everything all over again if you want the ipad version, and not the upscaled iphone version.

>>54161328
better in a goodstuff boros deck, basically just make sure your average topdeck is better than the tables and its good.
so in stax, ehhhh

Finally returning to dominaria do you think we'll get dragons reborn as gods? I'd like more dragon commander options

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i just want a different boros commander
is that too hard to ask for
something intresting

>forgot to toss in a Bontu and Oketra for 1€ each in my last order to have every god
>ask friend to order one for me with his next order
>C17 leaks and suddenly she's 3€ over night
Cat fags need to GTFO, honestly.

>>54163155
I wonder if we'll get any of the Elder Dragons at all. All of them that aren't Bolas are unknown to recent players and I doubt we'd get another Bolas already.

>>54163613
what if they chase bolas back to dominaria

>>54163557
Youll get something in the next 2 sets after HOD. Just gotta convince yourself its worth the wait

>>54163629
I'm thinking that's what's going to happen. That or they'll goad him back to bring together the remaining highlanders to ressurect Darigaaz and make her beat him with supreme dragon-god magic

>>54163629
Well, he already won. I doubt they'll do any chasing, since Jace had to flee to Ixalan and everyone else also scattered in order to save their lifes.

If he does go to Dominaria, it's probably to launch an invasion with his Eternals.

>>54163644
>her
Is Darigaaz a grill?

>>54163653
Darigaaz is a man

>>54163728

Dragonpucci

>Cat tribal
Really? Outside of Amonkhet are there even any good cats? I know Mirrodin had a few and there are some legends floating around like Brimaz and Mirri but this feels like a complete waste of a tribe. I get that they probably want to support unsupported tribes but cats don't even do anything interesting, why not something like Serpents who all have a "can't attack unless X" theme, or Nightmares with their "do X when enters the battlefield, reverse X when they leave". You could make some really interesting ways to support that.
I don't know, I'm just annoyed. I don't like cats either so maybe I'm a bit biased.

>>54163795
At this point cats have about as much actual tribal support as dragons. They've always been there and have had their fair share of good cards, it's just that they're way less peominent than others.

>>54157711
Way to fuck up and forget to add the subject of the thread, OP. People coming from the catalog will have a blast!

>Thread Question:
Kiki-Jiki. I don't address much of red's weaknesses but the draw problem I do with some wheels and the rest a bit with artifacts.

>>54158285
Busted theory, desu.

>>54163819
Sure, but like I said there's nothing interesting about the tribe. They're usually just cheap vanilla creatures, maybe with a keyword or two. I've never looked at a cat and thought "wow, this card's awesome" whereas dragons have stuff like Worldgorger and Hellkite Tyrant that do really crazy things. Cats are usually just good value creatures like Brimaz or Pride Sovereign, that's not something I'd want to build a deck around. They're going to need to make something really cool to get me interested in that deck, but I guess it'll appeal to someone else.

>>54163897
the thing that makes cats interesting is that they'll now get a free giant growth every combat!!!

>>54163897
Cats have 2 main tribal features. Token generation through their actual creatures (opposed to how most humans get theirs through spells and are always 1/1) as well as Lifelink. That's more or less their tribal identity and, while not really amazingly cool, it's certainly there and they follow it pretty well.

>>54158655
Love this card. It's in most of my white heavy decks.

>>54161330
The thing is, there's a lot of combinations they used already. What is left are 3 allied duals. I think they'd make it before repeating.

>>54163897
While I don't disagree with you, most tribes don't have that much depth when it comes to appeal for the tribe itself. Elves are known for being dorks and that's mostly it. The tribes biggest strength is its ability to play creatures outside of its tribe quickly.

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>>54163819
>as much support as dragons

Are you fucking kidding me?

>>54163919
Grow up, please.

>>54163557
At least we're getting a boros planeswalker in Ixilan, I hope she's good.

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I'm gonna bard it up lads.

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>>54157907
I'll never understand why Wizards insists that cats are white or green. They're selfish and they toy with their prey. Realistically, they'd be UB or BR.

Dogs on the other hand could be GW

>>54161601
While Boros shines in stax department, most of the commanders unfortunately boil down to "LMAO BOROS ANGRY I PLAY VIGILANCE SO SMASH NO TAP", so options are quite limited.
Still, play artifacts. You're gonna need fast mana and lot of the staples, but you can fit easily some of the pet cards in.
Unfortunately you lack blue, so mind control and some of the other good cards. Anyway, you should include the good shit such as Daretti, Goblin Welder, Smokestack (synergistic with Assemble the Legion, although it's expensive but it curves well), Armageddon, Moat, Humility, Ravages of War, and one of my favorite tech, Starfield of Nyx, which is one of the better cards in enchantment recursion. There's still more good cards and some of those are pretty expensive, but unfortunately if you want to have an effective non-jank stax, it's usually costly.
The cards you suggested are way too janky and if you play stax, you're not going to want to be stuck with high cost do-nothing-cards in your hand, but should have cheap removal instead. Stax is pretty much a solved archetype and you can't play it properly without the staples.
Oh, and you want every available good tutor in your deck.

>>54164883
Because WotC cats are more about proud lions and other shenanigans.

>>54157907

Commanders that can affect the board from the command zone are the ultimate cancer and will ruin this format.

>>54157907
So what's in it? Kemba, White Suns Zenith, Leonin Arbiter?

>>54157711
>Thread Question:
>What is your favorite mono color commander and how do you make up for its colors weaknesses?

sheoldred, there is no weaknesses

>>54165196
Savannah Lion

>>54165234
Not even gravehate?

>>54165258
my play group is retarded and dont run graveyard hate. its funny because most of my decks interact with the graveyard

>>54165196
Glittering Lynx

No lie, that'd be a good turn 1 play for this commander

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>>54158604
In mono blue and don't wanna miss a land drop?
amulet of vigor makes pic related pretty sweet

>>54165276
And then a turn 3 Vorrac Battlehorns for more fun

>>54165308
Wait no what's that equipment that forces blocking shit

>>54165316
>Nemesis Mask
There we go. Too bad it costs 6 mana to play and equip.

>>54158853
Black Essence Scatter looks bretty gud.

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>>54160882
>>54160894
>>54160974
>>54161804
if you're afraid of discard you could always trinket mage/whir of invention/fabricate into this

remember it doesn't work for discard as cost, ONLY discard as effect

>>54162423
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Amonkhet+Invocations:Foil/Bontu+the+Glorified#paper

Learn from history.

Mono color partners when?

>>54164837
>equal to

No ty

>>54165613
>partners
>ever returning

We can live in hope I guess, they should make the weekly legendary creatures in actual sets have partner instead of just the commander precons

>>54165613
2019

>>54165613
>>54165667
>>54165679
calling it now, the next set of partners are going to be retardedly OP

>>54160014
my only 2 hobbies are 40k and mtg so i obv have no problem spending money

i have 16 edh decks so far and spared no expense in building them, duals, tabernacle, moat etcetc whatever fits the flavor or theme of what the deck does ill pick up.

most of my decks are +$1000, but i do like building budget and cash restricted decks

im lucky to have a job that pays enough so i can enjoy my expensive hobbies

>>54165667
It could work for the next round of dual colored precons.

>>54165705
>>54165613
They're going to be partner planeswalker commanders. Red and Blue both interact with artifacts

>>54165667
That's never likely to happen, given that partners are weaker than regular legendaries, and inserting crappy legends into a set just because only happened in Kamigawa.

>>54165863
jesus christ i hope not, would would probably stop buying them at that point. the "in the command zone" horse shit they are shoving on things is bad enough. wizards creating cards for EDH was a mistake

>>54165645
What's wrong with it?

>>54157907
Needs some R.

>>54165879
Why the hate for eminence and early not!eminence from Oloro and Derevi?
It's like playing vanguard, but less op.

>>54157933
>My girlfriend will probably like it
literally the theme of this year's product
last year was PUSHED this year is going to be jank as fuck

JUST GIVE ME A BOROS COMMANDER THAT'S NOT AGGRO GODDAMIT!!! WHY CAN'T WIZARDS EVER MAKE GOOD SHIT FOR BOROS?!?!?!?!?!?

>>54165891
People can't deal with equal numbers, they want "equal or less" and stuff like that. Of course it would be nicer, but it doesn't make something unplayable. No one calls Nuzilek bad.

>>54165645
You'd be surprised, Yisan is ridiculously powerful.

>>54157711
>What is your favorite mono color commander and how do you make up for its colors weaknesses?
Nissa, Vastwood Seer
what weaknesses? its mono green!

>>54164837
More like tard it up.

>>54165916
What about Brion, Depala and Razia?

>>54164837
hes a good deck
can be competitive but runs into the same problems elfball decks do which is if you don't win before someone board wipes you are going to be in a bad position.

>>54165879
>wizards creating cards for EDH was a mistake
I really want to disagree with this but I cant
except for thought vessel
what a beautiful card, cant imagine they would print that in a standard set though.

>>54165903
Still has my wife stoked, she's been playing cats since OG Mirrodin, and is looking forward to more kitties.

>>54165901
because the whole point of the command zone is that nothing is supposed to touch it and your not supposed to be able to do anything from it other than cast your commander. oloro and derevi are equally cancerous

>>54165995
has me stoked too
its going to be nice to play some ultra jank commander again, the community has gotten way to focused on cEDH in my area hopefully this will change that if only for a few months

>>54165645
>i have to know what's in my deck?!?

>>54166011
i wish sheldon would do something useful for once and ban command zone interaction and give a giant middle finger to wotc

>>54166027
>give a giant middle finger to wotc
every time he gives an interview he goes out of his way to say "well wouldnt it be great if wotc paid me to maintain the commander list ;3"
yeah hes a massive fag and not only are his reasonings for bannings/unbannings internally contradictory, but he also sucks wotc cock on the reg

>>54160046
This is the best advice. Say you're building Daretti. Spending $40 on a Wheel of Fortune that goes in pretty much any red deck is better than spending $30 on a Metalworker or something that will only go in a dedicated artifact deck. That way if you get bored of your current deck and want to play something new, you won't have "wasted" any money, instead you'll be able to play a bunch of new decks thanks to having pricey staples.

>>54165879
This is just MaRo's autism. He talked about being proud for the mechanics specifically designed for commander like experience counters, command zone interaction etc. That guy just can't imagine anything without a gimmick. In his every standard set needs to have new keywords, be on a different popculture-trope plane or players would found it "boring". The same logic is applied for commander sets, but we already have all the mechanics ever created, we don't need cards that make it more "interesting".

This shit is infuriating, even RC doesn't like cards that interact with command zone, and Wizards is doing this all over again this year.

>>54166056
Maro was a mistake

>>54165995
Hopefully one of the backup commanders will be better.

what should turn progression look like in a 75% (jason rule) meta?
I started playing in a cEDH environment without even knowing it and I really dont have a single deck that doesnt just shit the bed or go infinite turn 4.

>>54166056
>popculture-trope plane
not to mention
LOL CATZ XDXDXDXD
(((MaRo)))
theres a reason why they say with :^) you lose.

>>54166074
desu that cat is pretty dope
cast it
next turn trigger its ability on itself then spend 3 to double its power
you get an 16/16 commander quickly

>>54166111
>next turn trigger its ability on itself then spend 3 to double its power

Try again.

>>54166147
>another
>another
fuck both cant trigger on himself
rip in peace

>>54166078
Usually you want to spend the first 4 turns ramping and durdling until someone plays a threat. Then you get everyone to acknowledge the threat while slowly slipping your own threats onto the board claiming that they're important for dealing with the other player's threat. Then if thing don't go your way, you or someone else board wipes, and you start this process over again.

>>54166072
>>54166097
>>54166056
>This is just MaRo's autism.

I know you guys like to think MaRo represents the entire design team for WotC, but Mark Rosewater hasn't been on the Design team for any of the Commander sets. Not a single one.

You hate Kaalia? Not MaRo.
You hate Oloro? Not MaRo.
You hate Planeswalker Commanders? Not MaRo.
You hate Experience Counters? Not MaRo.
You hate Partners? Not MaRo.
You hate Cats? Not MaRo.

>>54166212
>You hate Cats? Not MaRo.
i was referring to the standard set where a cat lord was printed

>>54166212
I hate Maro? Maro.

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Can we talk about how absolutely fucking insane this card is?
>fetches utility equipment like skullclamp, greaves and swifties
>fetches combo pieces like sword of paruns and thornbite staff
>fetches reanimation like animate dead and dance with dead
>fetches removal like song of dryads and darksteel mutation
>fetches equipment that comes with a body like batterskull and bonehoard
>fetches utility auras like flickerform

not to mention getting swords or decent auras to boost damage
this card is fucking INSANE!

>>54166056
I fail to see any problems with gimmicks m8. Magic has been around for a while and has had plenty of gimmicks. Storm for instance was a mistake, but it's still an archetype that a lot of people enjoy.

>>54166297
It's okay. We've had a one W equipment fetch since Mirrodin.

>>54166236
I'm just tired of people saying shit like
>He talked about being proud for the mechanics specifically designed for commander like experience counters, command zone interaction etc.
when he literally wasn't even part of any of the teams that created any of those things.

I can't find anything that can be remotely interpreted as him "being proud" of Experience counters or any of that stuff. People are inventing things to hate him for, since it's not catchy to bitch about Fleischer, Gottlieb, or Nagle apparently.

>>54166329
>It's okay. We've had a one W equipment fetch since Mirrodin.
fetching for auras AND equipment allows you to get any effect in magic
it may as well be a demonic tutor
searching for just equipment is significantly worse.

>>54166342
It's significantly worse than demonic tutor.

I'd also rather pay one W to search for any equipment, and there's better Aura/enchantment search.

>capcha is "cat furniture"

>>54163795
>nightmare tribal with enter and leave effects
Shit I never knew I wanted this.

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Can we talk about how absolutely fucking insane this card is?

>>54166385
>It's significantly worse than demonic tutor.
for sure but its also an uncommon from a set thats still in standard that, if you build your deck right, can get any effect you want.
card draw?
check
reanimation?
check
removal?
check

im just saying this is a criminally underplayed card, pick up your foils now they will be 10 bucks eventually

>>54166442
No need to make fun of others anon.

>>54166442
>elf booty art
literally half of its powerlevel is in the artwork :3
also an auto include in all but the most budget of landbases

>>54166212
I didn't say that MaRo made those cards, I was just referring to his podcast when he said he is proud of those and the team behind it. There is also nothing wrong with Kaalia, the first commander product amazingly didn't have any gimmick. Just good cards.

>>54166111
>I can't read: the post
What does the word "another" mean again?

>>54166511
>I didn't say that MaRo made those cards

Saying "This is just MaRo's autism" comes across as you inferring he was responsible for them.

>>54166528
to be fair the picture is incredibly fuzzy

>>54166339
Or maybe you should check his tumblr or podcasts before calling anyone a liar.

Granted, there is so much there that you can't really find anything, but checking from time to time doesn't hurt if you are really going to whiteknight Maro.

>>54166580
I did check the tumblr, but it's admittedly a bit difficult to ctrl+f a podcast.

>>54166442
Ramp?
Check
Card draw?
Check
Recursion?
Check
Disruption?
Check
Creature?
Check

>>54166442
Would be better if it was an instant.

>>54166614
holy shit you are right...
>elf booty foils are 10 bucks
figured

>>54166539
It's his design mindset, that now everyone at Wizards follows. Maybe he wasn't directly responsible for the commander products, but they are made following those patterns. Maybe he didn't even invent that mindset, but he is famous of talking about it for hours and really liking it.

Given his creative control that makes him an easy person to blame.

>>54166614
>Ramp?
>Check
holy crap just realized you can get ramp with open the armory as well
is there anything this card CANT do?!

So my friends and I play a very convoluted Archenemy/Planechase/Wargame mash-up.

I'm going to be playing the archenemy next round, who would be a good commander for five color infect?

>>54166297
Stoneforge Mystic is way better if you want equipment so it's pretty fair.

Enlightened Tutor can get any enchantment or artifact for 1 less mana and the cost of a card. Idyllic can get any enchantment for only 1 more mana. You can tutor for an equipment for 1 mana iirc.

It's really nice that this tutor is just an uncommon though.

>>54166708
Counterspe-
Shit, sunforger.

>>54166727
>for five color infect

What the actual fuck

>>54166305
I don't see a problem with gimmicks in normal sets/standard, maybe outside of making planes a gimmick but that doesn't really affect the game. However for commander products we would be fine with just more legends, we really didn't need planeswalkers or Derevi.

>>54166733
I honestly cut idyllic for open the armory in 2/3 decks I was running it in
only white tutor I like better than it is Enlightened and im extremely surprised they printed this powerful of a card at uncommon in the current standard environment

>>54166727
Scion I guess so you can turn it into the real commander, Skithiryx

>>54166297
its very good and very cheap yes. i run it in all my equipment/auras matter decks along with all the tutors.

What are all the aura/equipment tutors btw?
Idyllic
Enlightened
Steelshaper
Stoneforge
Open the Armory
what else?

>>54166759
I want to play New Phyrexia anon.

>>54166759
I really dont understand why you would be shocked, there arent that many infect cards in magic and using all 5 colors opens up the card pool
5c mana bases are also not as hard, expensive or unmanageable as people seem to think.
>>54166727
depending on how many share tribes or if you want to play conspiracy/xenograft you could play kerona the false god and try to get in for a little extra damage
otherwise space baby is a planar cleansing on a stick and is an extremely powerful commander

>>54166796
Stonehewer giant

>>54166305
You can still have a theme without breaking estabilished rules for the format.

>>54166796
theres the renowned faux stoneforge from orgins
theres godo bandit warlord
bruna from the yard
stonehuer giant
theres the hoarding dragon from m15

just in case anyone cares about 1v1 mtgo commander
http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/162630833904/commander-1v1-banned-update

heres an update
vial smasher banned (go figure "random opponent effect is strong in 1v1)
ponder
preordain
brain storm all banned as well
Treachery is banned, makes sense.

limited resources, biorhythm, Painter’s Servant and Trade Secrets is unbanned.

>>54166788
Tutors can be strong when there is nothing all that great to turor for. It's not like anyone in standard could search for Skullclamp or Sword of Fire and Ice.

Looking for advice on if cards in the maybeboard (aside from SoFai) are worth adding in.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sram-artifactauraos/

>>54166097
Please, grow up.

>>54166941
>banning normal core cantrips, punishing other blue splashing commanders
>not just banning baral
their logic isnt really sound, it allows baral to still be good and with still access to polymorph.

>>54166807
You could go super neat flavor by using Atraxa and one of the people you are fighting use Urabrask.

>>54166998
>Please, grow up
This, Wizards pushing things like dickgrrrls and we wuz shit has nothing to do with MaRo being jewish.

>>54166708
Act.

>>54167028
Pretty please, grow up.

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>>54167029
>Act.
why you gotta do me like that, playa?

>>54167048
im agreeing with you, shithead.

>>54167048
Get off your high horse.

>>54167048
oy vey

>>54167019
That is a fantastic idea.

>>54167130
might want to play arch enemy with all the other people playing urabrask
mono red can have some troubles so it should be fair

>>54167019
whats the lore with Urabrask? He is a new-phyrexian but the red-aligned group rebelled against New Phyrexia as a whole? Did they join the Mirrans?

>>54166941
>Ponder
>Preordain
>Brainstorm
Wow, look at these Modernfags that are scared of a little cantripping in this 99 card singleton format.

>>54167019
Poor little praetor.

>>54166941
>“Commander” will be focused on multiplayer play, and will be using the banned list available at mtgcommander.net

There goes any hope for a different banlist. We are stuck with Sheldon and his retarded decisions forever.

>>54166821
>I really dont understand why you would be shocked, there arent that many infect cards in magic and using all 5 colors opens up the card pool

Infect works best as a strategy when you either have one card that you always have available that has Infect (Skittles) or you have something that does easy damage like Saskia or Nekusar and becomes broken with a single Infect effect. Scraping the bottom of the barrel to try to play "Infect Tribal" is ridiculous.

If you're married to the idea of multi-color Infect that doesn't follow one of those strategies, just run Atraxa. Red has the least Infect anyway.

>>54167158
They didn't really rebel as much as all of the Praetors just decided that territories literally only matter in regards to conquest of one another as long as they gave a shit. Urabrask simply disliked the others and had his own ideas on attaining Phrexian perfection. Since he's so passionate and emotional, he was sympathetic towards Mirrans and let them chill in the Furnace Layer of the plane, and simply did as he pleased, disrupting other Praetors as they tried to approach him and working on "The Great Work". At some point Elesh Norn just decided that other Phyrexians are cucks, and she went on a crusade (which is multiple layers of ironic) and erased Sheoldred's and Urabrasks armies and territories. The few remaining Mirrans fled at some point, and we don't know where Urabrask is anymore.

>>54166941
>banning all these cantrips
The fuck? Why? They aren't even that good, unless you intend on storming off. I run them all in a few decks and I'm always underwhelmed.

>>54167292
What's the deal with Atraxa's colors and her being the voice of praetors? Are there any red phyrexians left?

>>54167013
I feel like they want the format to be Baral/Jace vs Nissa/Selvala. I wonder what Nate P has to say on the banlist, his Breya deck has been really fun to watch grow.

>>54167300
Cantrip are extremely powerful, card selection allows you to adapt to the board state for cheap

>>54167324
Urabrask didn't give a shit about anything that the other Praetors were doing. The rest of the Praetors would regularly communicate with each other, even if they despised each other. Elesh Norn, Sheoldred, Vorinclex, and Jin-Gitaxias all worked together on melding an angel into a Phyrexian product of Compleation™ and viewed her as an image of perfection. As such, they call her the Praetors' Voice because she's literally everything they wanted out of New Phyrexia.

No, there are so few that there might as well not even be any left, and what few might be hidden are being purged by Elesh Norn's forces.

>>54167240
How can you even say that like it's a bad thing after seeing WotC's banlist? I'm glad we just have to deal with Sheldon's tism.

>>54167387
You're fundamentally missing the point. They get exponentially worse the later in the game you get, unless you're storming off. At best they net you one card, and better card selection. At worst, you pop it, blaze through your gas, then instantly regret not using something that gives better raw card draw. As 3-ofs they're nuts, as a singleton card included in a deck, they're profoundly meh, unless your whole deck is cantrips and it's a key part of your strategy.

It seems to me they're going to make a completely neutered unfun format that has literally nothing to do with EDH, other than the name. Watch Daze, Forcespike and Counterspell get hit.

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So does this work?

>>54167453
What do you think it does?

>>54167453
Same anon, was a mobile upload.

>Attack with Flamerush, target admonition
>During damage, populate with Trostani

2 questions;

Does the populated token get exiled at the end of combat?

Will I have to keep separate exile piles for the copies?

>>54167453
Wouldn't the populated tokens also be attached to Flamerush's exile effect?

>>54167453
No? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish.

>>54167498
>>54167495
>>54167484


See >>54167494

>>54167450
>They get exponentially worse the later in the game
In what way does filtering out your draws get worse late Game?
They keep you from getting flooded or running out of gas
Consistency is the most important part of a winning deck, competitive or otherwise.

>>54158462
Also why BUG is top tier in Legacy.

>>54167494
If the token is created via populate, it won't have the exile clause and will stick around. I was just confused by why the angel is in there.

>>54167522
Assuming your intention is to populate a copy of Admonition Angel made by Flamerush Rider, this is what will happen on landfall:

>Each Admonition Angel token copy will exile a nonland permanent under itself
>When each token leaves the battlefield, you return to the battlefield each card exiled under that specific token
>The populated ones will stay on the battlefield as if they are regular Adomintion Angels, where the Flamerush Rider tokens will simply exile at the end of combat (unless your intent is to use a fetchland and quickly flicker something)

Does this answer your question?

>>54167450
>They get exponentially worse the later in the game you get, unless you're storming off
If I weren't at work I would explain in agonizing detail how wrong you are.

>>54167494
>Does the populated token get exiled at the end of combat?
No.

>Will I have to keep separate exile piles for the copies?
Yes.

>>54167495
No.

>>54167434
It's 1v1 banlist and they are clearly experimenting. I don't know if WoTC would do better than him, but if they would come up with their own for multiplayer mtgo only, we could judge if it's better or worse. That would make for a good experiment.

The RC banlist is just a mess, things are banned despite better alternatives being available that are perfectly legal and stuff like that. I

>>54167583
I actually want to hear this

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>>54167580
>>54167597

Thanks a bunch anon, pretty much covered everything I needed to know!

>>54166540
It is, but you can still see pretty well what's written

>>54167583
Different anon, I'm actually really curious. All I see with a late/endgame cantrip is a replacement for what you drew, similarly to a cycle. At that point in the game, sure it's slightly better in that you might get a better card in its place, but at that point, the cantrip itself is almost a waste of mana that gives you another choice.

I mean, unless your commander is Ink-Treader Nephilim, in which case every single drawn card is extremely dangerous.

>>54167541
>t1 you pop *insert cantrip here*
>filter your cards, have better access to things you actually need when you otherwise couldn't use the mana
>t3 you pop your cantrip, leaving 2 mana open
>you get one card, better filtering, and have access to a few things to help you out, but as soon as you chain another card to it, you begin to lose your card advantage, unless you're cantripping again
>t5 you pop your cantrip, leaving 4 mana open
>you get one card, better filtering, and have 4 mana open. If you cast another spell, unless the spell is incredibly powerful, you're left at -1 Card Advantage. While situational filtering may or may not be better in this situation, you would be better off drawing more cards at a higher CMC to refill your hand
>t10 you pop your cantrip
>reasonably, you can cast just about anything in your hand at this point, while filtering is good if you're looking for a combo piece, or playing Maelstrom Wanderer, you'd be better off running something much more expensive to give you raw card draw