Exalted General - /exg/

>No links yet.

Lies.

>Cynis Borok
https://pastebin.com/VwCdMgCG

>Ragara Feria
https://pastebin.com/RmUiuBKR

>Strix
https://pastebin.com/MbTG7ZH6

>Zicnal of the Asmani
https://pastebin.com/ccPnXHQz

So, /exg/! I need suggestions for features a water manse might have. For reference, it's a palace that sits atop a hill and overlooks a port town settled by the Yellow River in the East. If it matters, the hearthstone linked to it is the Purity Gem.

>>54111333

Scrying pools: see future or present events in the surface

Fonts of knowledge: Entire libraries kept in a single pond. Gain passing knowledge by drinking it. Gain in depth knowledge by immersing yourself in the pool.

>>54111333
Hot springs: For speeding up healing or recovering from certain conditions. Also has a 90% chance to attract the attention of weeb players.

Consider adding a waterwheel or one of those fancy bamboo japanese thingies that go doink, for the hell of it.

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>>54112602
>Also has a 90% chance to attract the attention of weeb players

Exalted has a 90% chance to attract weeaboo's.

>>54111333

The town nearby replies on the manse for clean water.

The manse water is yellow and has a strong taste, but people claim it has great health benefits.

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>>54114464
>The manse water is yellow

I'm onto your trick, old man! No one is going into your magical realm.

>>54111278
So, last thread we had an incrdibly stupid and embarrassingly long discussion started by one sentence in Ragara Feria's writeup, but what about Cynis Borok? Does nyone have strong opinion about him? I found him incredibly dull myself, word count wasted on walking cliche. Do you guys feel the same, or do you like Borok?

>>54115919
He's pretty generic, but eh I guess it's something a newbie might use.

>>54115919
Ragara Feria?

/tg/, what's your opinion on Tomb of Dreams as an meta-example for a story / session?

Sure, I've read it, but I'm a mindless drone and have no personal opinion on anything whatsoever.

>>54115919
He's boring but looks pretty easy to run as a starter villain. He's not complex enough that you have to think really hard about how he'll act and react. He's like the dry toast of villains, inoffensive and bland but still serviceable. 5/10

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>>54111333
Martial Arts training ground under a waterfall coming off a cliff on the hill.

>>54117387

It's a good way to introduce the mechanics of the game, but doesn't really go into the lore. The self-contained nature of the dream prevents the players from leaving or splitting the party. The fact that it also allows for conflict resolution besides combat is great.

>>54117498
That is true, but still kind of disappointing for something that people are technically supposed to pay for. Even a mediocre ST could come up with something of comparable quality. The new Charms are useful, at least.

>>54117677

I can't imagine anyone paying for that shit. Those are literally the blandest villains I have ever seen.

>>54111182

I have to say, running a 3E game, what's really amusing is how the standard loot dynamic doesn't really apply to Exalted. You don't need to be laden with magical items (and in fact, being laden with magical items can work against you), you just need your trusty sword and some armor. Everything else, you can leave.

Technically speaking, if the PCs manage to beat their first Wyld Hunt, they have all the equipment they will ever need.

Similarly, I'm wondering who bothered to stat up stuff like Thaumaturgy, when it's obvious that no PC will EVER use that shit. I mean, it makes the world more fleshed-out, but 90% of the stuff in most of the books is so beneath the notice of the players that it'd never be used.

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>>54111333

>>54117917
>Similarly, I'm wondering who bothered to stat up stuff like Thaumaturgy, when it's obvious that no PC will EVER use that shit. I mean, it makes the world more fleshed-out, but 90% of the stuff in most of the books is so beneath the notice of the players that it'd never be used.
Thaumaturgy is for mortals games. There it can actually be pretty damn useful.

>>54117993

One change I liked for 3E is the fact that Sorcery has been totally revamped. Not to mention that mortals can actually use sorcery now.

>>54117993
>Thaumaturgy is for mortals games. There it can actually be pretty damn useful.
I wonder why thaumaturgy has to be presented as its own system. I mean, is there a reason the relatively minor powers represented by thaumaturgy aren't just supernatural Merits, included in the same section as other Merits?

>>54113459
I think it's easy to avoid them, just play up the original sword-and-sandals post-apocalyptic vibe from 1e. Remind them at every turn it's the Age of Sorrows.

>>54117942
The reactions after the post are the imageboard of equivalent of TV shows with laugh tracks.

>>54119218
Hahahahahahaha.

>>54119218
>I think it's easy to avoid them, just play up the original sword-and-sandals post-apocalyptic vibe from 1e. Remind them at every turn it's the Age of Sorrows.
"Man I played this great post apocalyptic anime game last week."

>>54119388

There is nothing wrong with anime inspired games. As long as you don't have cliches that are currently killing the anime. This is the biggest problem. Bringing crazy anime fan, that will use Kyaa, Nyaa, tsundere, to an anime game is similar as bringing a goth or emo (whoi is talking all the time how life is suffocating) to a vampire game. It isn't the game at fault. It depends on the crowd you are playing with.

So /exg/, I just wanted you to know that due to previous thread bitching about gayness in OP/WW game, I'm going to have my players choose one of them to have been repeatedly gay raped by his bearlike, Dragonblooded superior before exaltation.

>>54120333
godspeed to you sir, godspeed!

Just wait for Feminine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale to be introduced into Exalted in the near future. Gay NPCs will be least of your worries.

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>>54119218

You mean the one with Cloud's buster sword and materia in it? And all of the anime art? And obvious anime references? That Exalted 1st edition?

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>>54120329
>As long as you don't have cliches that are currently killing the anime

But theres nothing slice of life or moe about Exalted. So it's safe. Exalted's more like 80's anime, where violence solves everything and people explode at the slightest touch into gory blood splatters and there's ample amounts of tits.

Or at least, it was until tumblrites started whining there isn't enough PROGRESSIVENESS in it and decided to culturally enrich the dev's.

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Also I'm bored, so have a bit of an art dump.

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>>54121095

Also if anyone wants something specific, I'll see what I can do.

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>>54121108

>>54121059
Well, sometimes problems are solved by inhumanly excellent persuasion and so on. Super martial arts isn't the only answer, probably.

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>>54121141

Hence tits, the ultimate persuasive technique.

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>>54121059
>Or at least, it was until tumblrites started whining there isn't enough PROGRESSIVENESS in it and decided to culturally enrich the dev's.

Well, somebody's triggered.

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>>54121300

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>>54121059
>But theres nothing slice of life or moe about Exalted

Well spoken fellow anime fan

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>>54121353

That image always makes me giggle.

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>>54121378

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>>54121198

hello tumblr

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>>54120936
Didn't we already go there?

>nothing worth talking about re: Exalted
>threads just picture threads of quality art we'll never see in an Exalted product again

4e when?

>>54121772

We never left that place.

>>54121820
go fuck yourself

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>>54121594
>>54121820

Yeah, 3E really dropped the ball on the art. You can tell thats where the least amount of budget went, and whats worse, it doesn't even look like Exalted art anymore, it looks like generic fantasy garbage because they were so ashamed of their anime roots.

>>54121909
>it looks like generic fantasy garbage

this hurts the most. It doesn't have any soul or identity

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>>54121909
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>>54121909

And they were so ashamed of "Bikini Witches" that they did a hatchet job censoring The Scarlet Empress' bare leg. Not to mention all the poser art and plagiarism.

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>>54121975

The censored leg is the worst. It's so poorly done, it's a fuzzy red smear that clearly doesn't belong, and it's almost dead center in the fucking picture so you can't even avoid looking at it.

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>>54122073

Is it me, or Golden Exhalation kinda sucks? Are there any better terrestial martial arts for firewands? I know about Righteous Devil, but that is celestial.

I seem to remember that there is a Solar charm that allows the user to ignore any penalties coming from Appearance, but I can't seem to find it. Does it ring a bell to anyone?

>>54121999
Which picture?

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>>54124287
Showing dat ass is okay but a fucking leg is not? How the fuck?

>>54124287
That's made really bad by the zoom in. The composition of the original puts the Empress much more in focus. Also you can still clearly see ponytail girls ass in the reflection.

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>>54124766

This is 50% size of picture. It still looks like shit.

Wait, strix are normal regular animals in creation right? That means a lunar will be able to take on that shape right?

>>54124958

Nothing suggests that they're supernatural beings, but it remains to be seen if Lunars need to buy certain charms in order to take take shapes beyond a certain size.

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>>54121975
Shame or not, I personally have seen zero reduction in the number of bikini witches in either of the games I'm in.

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>>54125596

Do you fell your games are better or worse because of it?

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>>54125737
I wouldn't say they're better, but I definitely wouldn't say they're worse.

>>54121909
But we know they didn't pay the writers anything.

Where did all the money go?

(haha not really we know it was churned up by the gold-leafed POD garbage books and refunds -- which I got both of)

>>54121059
>But theres nothing slice of life
What do you think defines that genre? Because it's not a contemporary setting in a high school and if it was the Heptagram exists.

I'm building a Craft-supernal solar in 3e, and I want to be able to start making artifacts right from the get-go without any (major) wait periods. This means I need a way to get rare/expensive material components quickly/efficiently, and secretly so no nosey Terrestrials start asking why some random guy is buying Orichalcum by the kilo.

So, which Merits are best for this? Do I want Backing, Contacts (Guild), Influence, Resources, or something else?

>>54126692
Manse, to get a volcano base that you can use to begin forging Orichalcum in.

Influence or Backing to give you control over a gold mining operation, to forge into the Orichalcum.

Sorcery and the Demon of the First Circle spell to summon Firmin and Heranhal demons to give you different sorts of hell materials to use as occult resources for artifact construction - if you want to make a daiklaive with sunlight-themed Evocations, for instance, you could get a Heranhal to forge a weave of fibers of their soulglass from the sands of Cecelyne and your anima banner, then take the glass fiber sheets and form them into magical fiberglass by layering them with an alloy of Firmin resin and Orichalcum.

>>54126692

So here's the thing. Starmetal and Moonsilver can't be created, only collected. Jade is used as currency in the Realm, so you only need Resources to get what you need. Orichalcum is made from Gold, but there's no mechanics for transmuting it yet. Soulsteel is steel made from souls; either you're going into the Underworld or you're going on a killing spree. Otherwise you want either Backing (Guild) or Contacts (Guild) or some other similarly powerful entity. Make note that Moonsilver and Starmetal are jealously hoarded by the Lunars and Sidereals respectively. For a clandestine operation, buy up Jade or gold.

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>>54126944
When I said rare/expensive materials, I meant shit other than the sacred substances. Like, the book mentions "various exotic or mystical reagents such as frozen flame, behemoth bones, the captured love of a raksha noble, or other such wonders."

I'm certain that the best way to get some of the sacred substances is just to trade away the completed artifacts that I'm gonna be crafting. What I don't know is how I'm gonna get whatever bullshit my DM is gonna pull out of his ass and say I need.

>>54127030

>What I don't know is how I'm gonna get whatever bullshit my DM is gonna pull out of his ass and say I need.

That's probably to facilitate a quest or story arc to make you do shit instead of fuck about in your workshop all day. This puts more weight and value behind every artefact beyond "I crack out a world shaking power every other week."

>>54127085
Fuck.

If I've spent all my points on making a super specialized character designed for building cool shit, it kinda defeats the purpose if I have to constantly put myself in danger to get spare parts.

It's shit like this that makes me mad that Exalted doesn't have rules for potions or scrolls or magitech grenades or literally any kind of consumable magic item. Then at least I'd be able to directly use my skill at crafting to have some use in non-crafting pursuits.

>>54127030
That's what the Demon of the First Circle spell is for. Firmin have the ability to create a metallic resin that is especially good at reflecting sunlight; they use it to create needles, normally, but they can be directed by a summoner to use it to create any metallic item.

Heranhal have the ability to create six different unique items, including "the livid alloy called hepaziton" from bronze, blood, and gall; "green sun metal" from the light of Ligier (probably a good idea to use a sorcerous working to give your manse magical lighting that duplicates the light of the Green Sun if you want to use this), "soulglass" made from ghosts and the sand of Cecelyne, strings made from time itself suitable for bows or musical instruments, along with two others that were left unstated.

Additionally, you can use the demons themselves as a material for crafting, judging by how the 5-dot Orichalcum daiklave from the Arms preview has a demon inside it; you'd just need to pick one whose themes align with the sort of Evocations you want the item to have.

>>54127170

If you're going for artefacts, you'll probably have sorcery, which grants some options. Other than that, what are you spending all your Solar XP on? Workings? Buy up some MA, that's what it's there for.

>>54127170
>It's shit like this that makes me mad that Exalted doesn't have rules for potions or scrolls or magitech grenades or literally any kind of consumable magic item. Then at least I'd be able to directly use my skill at crafting to have some use in non-crafting pursuits.

That's what the Craft Points system is intended to encourage. You're not supposed to be making magic items with it, though, but things like making jewelry for the Queen as a part of your party's social influence, making toys for children to help improve the party's reputation with the common people, or making traps to help the party deal with the Dragonblooded that are chasing them.

>>54127242
Occult 5, Lore 5, Craft: Artifacts 5, Craft: whatever 5, plus at LEAST 11 Crafting charms. I'd rather have more, tho, since with only 11 I'd be missing out on real gems like Arete Shifting Method and Bright Forging Prana.
I'd like at least Sorcery plus 2 more spells, and 1 (or maybe 2) defensive charms, but I just don't have the points at char gen to spread around like that

>>54127268
You're acting as if it's difficult to acquire tons and tons of crafting xp. Why do you think Exigenesis of the Distilled Form is a thing?
Hell, I'd argue that the whole system encourages the opposite, since the best way to get crafting experience is to craft over and over again like a fiend.

>>54127375

Martial Arts, like I said. Buy up a single style, it doesn't matter if you buy any charms for it, as the Excellency will carry you through most fights, and you can spend Solar XP on them in parallel to Craft charms.

>>54127375
You don't need 11 Craft charms, bro, you just need 4. Craftsman Needs No Tools, Thousand-Forge Hands, Flawless Handiwork Method, and Bright-Forging Prana. Maybe 5, if you want to pick up Crack-Mending Technique.

You don't really need Arete-Shifting Method since all it really does is negate a -1 penalty.

>>54117387
It looks good, I'll be modifying it a bit for my first run of Exalted. Coming from DnD/Dark Heresy and being new to Exalted, the lack of support for DM/STs has me in minor panic mode so ToD was a relief.

Most useful part of it for me reading through was the characterization for the three spirits.

>>54127375
>You're acting as if it's difficult to acquire tons and tons of crafting xp. Why do you think Exigenesis of the Distilled Form is a thing?
So that people who just want to dabble in Craft can spend some of their Charm slots to ignore the Craft system and just make a few Artifacts.

>>54126692
>>54127030
You'll want to get Wyld Shaping Technique. There's a craft charm that you can use craft XP to pay for it, and you can actually make pretty much anything you can think of as long you can describe the stages to get there. This has the added benefit of not releasing artifacts into the world in large to be tracked by. Unfortunately this means nothing until Essence 3 when a Craft Supernal could get it. There's no real way to allow a Craft Supernal to spit out 5 dots without going through some ridiculous story stuff at lower Essence levels, its a conscious design decision.

>Cestus is smashing but Unarmed is not
>Unarmed is a single weapon but RAW two Cestuses could be dual-wielded

>>54127776
>There's no real way to allow a Craft Supernal to spit out 5 dots without going through some ridiculous story stuff at lower Essence levels, its a conscious design decision.

Demon summoning, bro. Heranhal and Firmin demons are an Artifact crafter's BFFs, and other sorts of demons might also be able to serve that role by being bound inside the artifacts you're crafting.

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>>54127783

Show me a game that doesn't have some obscene retardation in it's weapon, unarmed, and grappling rules, and I'll show you a game that doesn't exist, because every game has these sorts of fuckups in them. Not that that excuses them, it's just games are written by nerds who have only ever swung their expertly crafted $20,000 katana's at empty water bottles behind their grandma's houses, so they have no idea in the slightest how fighting actually works, because if they did, spears would be the most broken melee weapons of all time.

>>54127533
GM's been laying down some not-so-subtle hints that the campaing's gonna revolve arround broken First Age Wonders. Believe me, I want Divine Inspiration Technique right out the gate, and it's the kind of charm that's much more useful as a permanent thing than as something you get from Bright Forging Prana.
Although, now that I think of it, I could probably use BFP for repurchasing of Flawless Handiwork Method and Supreme Masterwork Focus.

>>54127610
You can get effectively unlimited crafting xp with Craftsman Needs no Tools, Brass Scales Falling, Arete Shifting Prana, Sublime Transference, and maybe a solid day of downtime.

>>54127823
It's easy enough for a ST to say that whatever a First Circle Demon brings isn't good enough for a 5 dot. Particularly because 5 dots require specific things directly related to their purpose, like heavy armor crafted out the turtle shell of a behemoth turtle known to withstand the weight of a 100,000 ton tower for a hundred years.

>>54127844
Yeah, a player just kept bringing these up when making his character and it seemed like a weird oversight for something so kung-fu.

I've basically told them don't worry and Cestus/Unarmed have effectively merged.
More importantly, how to stat a Nargacuga.

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>>54128356
>More importantly, how to stat a Nargacuga.

High strength and Dex, decent soak. Charms relating to stalking. Some kind of weakness to Perform (Sing) that lulls it or enrages it.

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>>54128408

Also, one of my players has one of these things as a pet. Turns out their previous incarnation loved creating all sorts of life for her zoo. Originally, they weren't supposed to get bigger than a housecat.

Then the Uruspation happened, and the island they were on is basically Monster Island, more or less, as their growth went unchecked and wyld energy eventually got into the mix, and evolution played it's part.

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>>54128451

Some still exist at housecat sized, due to a small fraction of slave keepers that survived the ursupation due to being in a remote mountain stronghold no one bothered to check because the only thing up there was slaves and some animals. These ones are a pure strain of the original creation.

>>54128408
Yeah I was thinking of nabbing some stuff from the predatory cats and mixing it with some of the dinosaur QCs. Most things will probably get aced by a few Solars anyway but some sneaky stuff should keep it more interesting.

>>54128874

Well, you can always add more HL's to it, or give it that bullshit merit that prevents it from taking too much damage at once. Given how it works in the ecology bits, it's obviously an ambush predator.

>>54111182

>>54114649
I thought it was a joke about Gatorade

It has electrolytes.


>>54113459
But I AM a weeb, and I DO like over the top anime with high flying martial arts fueled by awesome.

>>54124907

Wow. Never go full SJW.

>>54131715
>But I AM a weeb, and I DO like over the top anime with high flying martial arts fueled by awesome.

Nothing wrong with that. Problem lies with "kyaa, nyaa and behavior that jap-idols do." When I see that kind of behavior in anime I lose my shit. It destorys interesting stories with just one annoying character.

>>54131824

Yup. Sexists and things that are perceived as sexists at least have some consistency.

>>54121820
Is some of this art from previous editions?

>>54132474

nope. gimme few minutes and I'll post art from previous editions I generally like

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>>54124127
Nevermind, found it. Staring at the Sun.
It was a bitch to find, because it is an Abyssal Mirror.

Any info on the upcoming Dragon-Blooded book's release date? I know Onyx Path used to have guesstimated publish dates for their "Current Projects" page, but it looks like they gave up on that.

>>54133386
No idea. Arms should be out sometime this month. We are just waiting for shitty art. My best guess would be January or February.

>>54133015

Uran's art REALLY needs to stay as either line work, or water color. It always looks terrible when they colorize it any other way. But the line work is great.

Also needs more Kiyo or whoever it was that did most of the original Sidereal book with those crazy pierced demon hunters and shit. That was great.

What's happened to your groups Scarlet Empress? Off doing science, kidnapped by crazy Solars, marrying the Ebon Dragon (this is the boring option), tripped down some stairs and broke her neck, something else?

>>54135533

Off being the Ebon Dragon's personal cock sleeve.

So, I think I've found a way to fix Exalted's setting.

Creation sucks ass when the Solars aren't in charge, but if the Solars are in charge too long, then Creation starts to suck ass anyway. So, why not just make the Usurpation a regular thing?

Like, the Solars would do their thing for however long they want and Make Creation Great Again, then the Sidereals would betray them, and throw them in the Jade Prison as soon as the Solars started going loco. After ~500 years, the Siderials would let them out, and the whole process would begin again.

This fix also works thematically, as well as in-universe. Now you can have your game of Exalted set whenever you want, with the only caveat being "The Solars are reawakening once more." Everything else can be different in this version of the cycle.

>>54136430
The Solars don't want to go in the box. The Solars punch the Sidereals to death or talk them into being their loving slaves. The only reason the Sidereals got the Usurpation going the first time was because they weren't in regular contact with Solars and the coup was a perfect secret.

>>54136430
In-universe, the ultimate goal to fixing Creation is removing the Great Curse from the Solars. At that point, the Solars can just be put in power permanently.

>>54136430
>So, I think I've found a way to fix Exalted's setting.
>why not just make the Usurpation a regular thing?
>fix Exalted's setting
>fix Exalted
>FIX
>make the Usurpation a regular thing

I don't think repeating a cataclysmic apocalypse event that resulted in the world being diminished by a fourth of it's size and opening up innumerable threats and chaos is the best way to fix the setting. I think getting rid of the Great Curse is, because, y'know, thats traditionally been the ACTUAL problem in the setting of why the Exalt's fucked up in the first place.

>>54135533
She got sucked into Autochtonia.

>>54136616
What's the stop the next Usurpations from being a secret, though? The newly awakened Solars don't really know that much about their own backstory, so they don't really have that much of a reason to doubt the Sidereals again.
The only problem is the Lunar Exalted, but I don't see why they wouldn't be in on the whole thing to begin with. They already know that something has to be done about crazy Solars and creation's reliance on them, hence their own plans to fix the setting like the thousand streams river.

>>54136652
>>54136799
That's a lot easier said than done, since there isn't a concrete way to remove the curse from a Solar, unless they become an Abyssal or an Infernal first. It should be obvious why I think that method isn't worth it.

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>>54136430
Solars break rules, break prisons, break people, break physical laws, and break metaphysical laws.

The Usurpation killed untold DB and only succeeded because it was a surprise and because of overwhelming power. A second usurpation is likely improbable. A third would be impossible.

>>54136902
>What's the stop the next Usurpations from being a secret, though? The newly awakened Solars don't really know that much about their own backstory, so they don't really have that much of a reason to doubt the Sidereals again.

Past lives.

25 successes in an investigation roll.

The very thing that makes them good rulers, crafters and sorcerers makes them good investigators. Getting any shit past a Solar that wants to know is ridiculously impossible.

Mind-controlling Solars is likewise impossible, they are ridiculously prone to breaking out of those.

You can't keep them contained, you can't trust them, you can't keep them in the dark, and you can't make them paws. So either you do nothing, you kill them all, or you decide to give them the info. That's the only possible solutions.

>>54136902
Since when have Solars shied away from anything that wasn't easy? Yes, I'm suggesting that Sidereals make Solars fix themselves instead of just hunting them down all the time.

>>54136902
>That's a lot easier said than done, since there isn't a concrete way to remove the curse from a Solar,

Thats because it's always been a GM fiat thing. That seems intentional by this point given it's been 3 editions now.

>>54137203

That would involve Sidereals giving up power. And they're sociopaths, so that'll never happen. They'd rather doom Creation than admit they were wrong or give up the stranglehold they have on it.

>>54137476
I don't think that's the Sidereals being sociopaths, more of them being so self assured in their abilities and Carjack not exploring it as a possibility.

>>54137203
>>54137222
Do you at least understand why that's a terrible way to discuss the topic? Obviously just making the Solar's less shit is the best way of doing things, but it ends the discussion before it even starts. Where's the fun in that?

>>54137476
And yet the Getimian are a thing (apparantly). They seem to be the perfect example of people who've realized that power has more drawbacks than it's worth.

>>54137670
I was just drawing attention to the fact that the fix was stated to work thematically (i.e. the players) and in-universe (i.e. the characters). While it might be interesting for the players (though updating all of Creation's history a couple of hundred years so the same group of players can enjoy a similar but different Exalted universe), the whole thing about Solars escaping the Jade Prison due to a plethora of reasons the biggest being that Sidereals have slowly lost the ability to keep everything in check. Creation's in shambles and there's a bucketful of Creation ending events right outside the door. The Solars are needed to solve all those problems but the Sidereals can't keep letting the genie out of the bottle and hoping for the best.

>>54135533
Executed by Heaven for falling to the same depths of depravity, carelessness and solipsistic narcissism that caused Heaven to side against the Solars.

>>54137823

I like to think that the missing piece was actually Abyssals - the Sun has long been in denial about the destructive part of his nature, and the Abyssals are the one force with the power to stand up to Solars on an even footing. They're possibly the chemo that the cancer of the 1st Age needed...

>>54121820

Given that Exalted is bleeding money like a struck pig, sooner rather than later. However I'm going to say likely not at all as at this point it'd be easier to can the game than to make an entire new one.

I can understand why though, as in order to make 4e you'd need to tear down the entire mechanical framework they have. Chump change compared to repairing the damage 3e did to the setting.

>>54138203

What damage do you think 3e did to the setting? I'm interested to hear what you have to say.

One of the big things I was worrying about when they were pitching 3e was making the UCS more involved in-setting and more of an unambiguous good guy, which I think went counter to the original themes of Exalted.

>>54138203
>Given that Exalted is bleeding money like a struck pig

Isn't Exalted the only thing even keeping OP alive?

>>54121975
The worst pieces were replaced and the plagiarism was addressed and rectified, anon.

>>54138619
Its outsold any other OPP product by a hilarious margin, even after the Kickstarter.

>>54138665
Yeah, I was gonna say. Exalted, despite looking like it thanks to the molasses-slow release schedule, is not dying. It's selling like fucking hotcakes.

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>>54138648

No shit, but it should never have got in in the first place.

>>54138734
At least some of the art in the backer version were pretty obviously placeholders my nigga

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>>54138706
>White Wolf is the faux gothfag nihilistic shithead who is about "muh roleplayz not rollplayz but ONLY when yuh roleplayz the way I WANT YOU TO"
>their best selling property, the ONLY thing that kept them alive, was a game about weeaboo animu big titted women and buff mcmanly's crushing swarms of their lessers with a wave of their giant golden cocks
>this continues on even unto the companies death and subsequent companies picking it up

This never fails to make me laugh and smile. Man, I fucking hated White Wolf and their shitty WoD games and their forced, contrived bullshit roleplaying systems.

>>54139232
Well even Exalted has a bit of that with the Great Curse. But yeah, it's nice.

>>54139450

Well, they do definitely have some White Wolf-ism's in the system still.

>entire Dynasty is basically the VtM clans complete with the stereotypes and inability to ever work together to do anything other than screw someone else over
>Great Curse isn't as bad as the old Humanity systems and the like because it isn't omnipresent, but it's still a distinct "play the way I tell you or you're not roleplaying RIGHT" shit that WW was infamous for
>still a faux-Storyteller system, which was always one of the mechanically weakest offerings in RPG-dom

>>54139535

>still a faux-Storyteller system, which was always one of the mechanically weakest offerings in RPG-dom.

Hasn't one of Onyxpath's later releases come up with a Storypath system? What's that like?

>>54135533
Out keikaku'd Ebon Dragon so hard that a solar exaltation punted the terrestrial right out of her.

What's the bare minimum in offensive and defensive charms/skills that I need for a Solar who isn't combat oriented?

>>54139615
An excellency in each.

>>54139648
Is that really it?

>>54139695
It will get you through most combats yah. I'd say a pool of 6-8 + excellency is decent enough to survive and provide minor support.

>>54120333
I have a headcanon character to deal with all the gayness in games I've run or participated in. Every year, a bored Sidereal turns up the knob that controls the amount of gay energy in Creation up a small fraction of a percent, while the rest of Heaven is celebrating Calibration.

>>54121839
Praise be.

>>54124370
On top of the fact that showing leg is totally something Big Red would do.

>>54139591
That sounds like it could off an epic clusterfuck if anyone found out. The Scarlet Empress is Anathema. That alone basically kills the Realms legitimacy and throws off every plan Ketchup Carjack ever made.

>>54139232
Still waiting for a video game company to go, "Heeey, White Wolf? You know that Exalted thing you've got? We're big fans, big fans... Think we could give it a bash?"

And then massive moneys shall be White Wolf's. Even better if the game devs aren't completely cucked and actually make it as totally over-the-top as it can be.

>>54139851
That was the intent, solars fuck up everybody's plans that aren't theirs. Even if they don't have a body yet.

>>54139860

I would not accept anything less than a Platinum action game ala MGR or TF: Devastation. Preferably TF: Devastation because that had a great weapon system that would totally fit Exalted.

>>54139860
Set it in Gem. Nothing could go wrong.

>>54139860
I recall that almost happened in the early 2000's. The only evidence I can still find on that was a sentence in SKR's paizo profile page though.

http://paizo.com/people/SeanKReynolds

>>54139980
and a wordpress blog, looks like it would have been a baldur's gate sort of thing.

https://seankreynolds.wordpress.com/about/

>>54139956
The challenge would be in incorporating social combat, or mass battle command, or running a kingdom, or any of the other things Exalted routinely do that aren't taking full advantage of Platinum's usual insane action.

Alpha Protocol's conversation system could work for social combat... Or maybe a system where you highlight areas of the scene to interact with, pick a topic and an approach, along with any charms you want to activate. Likewise, in combat, a freeze before each attack where you select a thing to stunt off, as well as any charms, in addition to the same as your opponent is attacking could work well. Less a Platinum action game and more a cinematic RPG. Though that might come off a bit too much like a series of QTEs...

>>54139980
>>54140017
Could have been cool, but the technology wasn't quite there at the time. V:tM Bloodlines wasn't even out until 2004, which was the game that really showed video gamers how sweet a White Wolf property could be.

Still, with amazing action games like Platinum's entire library, epic story setpieces like Bioware's earlier work (pre-DA2 mostly) and games like Persona 5 showing turn-based RPGs have still got it in spades, the time might just be right...

>>54132241
>the problem with the art is that it isn't sexist enough
>not anything else
>because sexism is "consistent" (or something) and that somehow makes it good
That's not a very compelling case.

>>54140065
Hmm, I only sort of agree. While I think I'd be vaguely disappointed in an Isometric RPG for exalted now, I don't think that their's any magic window for game dev. Undertale was the most emotionally satisfying game I've played in a decade, and that was some straight up NES level quality.

>>54140065
>The challenge would be in incorporating social combat, or mass battle command, or running a kingdom, or any of the other things Exalted routinely do that aren't taking full advantage of Platinum's usual insane action.

But you see, that stuff isn't going to be included. That should be obvious. It's going to focus on the most prominent part of being an Exalt: Murdernating the shit out of everything in your path.

>>54140239
And having cute Linar waifus.

>>54140239
And that's not a bad thing. I'd much rather have an awesome game about a Dawn Caste fucking shit up and being awesome then a subpar game about every Exalted under the sun.

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>>54140224
>Undertale was the most emotionally satisfying game I've played in a decade

Was it the only game you've played in a decade?

>>54140239
>>54140284
That objectively makes for a worse game though. What about those of us who prefer to play an Eclipse, or a Twilight? or a No Moon etc. for other types. They need options that aren't "Apply daiklave to the problem until it goes away."

We know games can have engaging gameplay beyond simple combat; we know White Wolf games can - again, just look at Bloodlines! The trick is in finding a way that WORKS to make those aspects, such as stealth, social combat, loremastery, rulership, etc. fun.

>>54140224
An over-the-shoulder RPG could work. Isometric was good way back when, but I think it's had its day. Plus, there's so many innovations that have come out now, that could be incorporated. For instance, Final Fantasy's Active Time Battle or Conditional Turn-Based is a great stand-in for the tabletop tick system!

>>54140289
I may not agree either, but let's not disregard that many people find something good in Undertale. Its sheer popularity for its emotional engagement is at least something worthy of examination, if not emulation. Plus, it did a great deal to keep its battles interesting too.

>>54140279
>Implying any exalt worth their salt wouldn't have a full-on harem
I mean that should at least be an OPTION, right? I mean hell, half the Lunar waifus I can think of would be your wingman and/or want to share!

>>54140065

I don't think that mechanics would be a problem. I imagine that a lot of what works in a TTRPG would be gutted for not working in a CRPG. Not to mention removing all of the things not necessary to the story. Would Wyld Shaping be guaranteed to get in unchanged, or even at all? Would the Martial Arts XP tax make it in?

What would be most important is capturing the feel of the setting.

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>>54140354
>That objectively makes for a worse game though

Exalted has, first and foremost, always been a game about epic action and the like. The only way to properly translate this to a videogame would be something in the vein of Bayonetta/DMC/MGR/TFD/etc. Which is what the game would have to be to do Exalted correctly. You certainly wouldn't get ANY kind of satisfying combat system otherwise, because development would be focused on trying to nail other aspects, and it'd make the game a wash overall. This is why you get so many half baked action RPG's, because you try to do too much at once and it all falls flat.

tl;dr Other Caste's will be their own thing, TFD had differeny characters with varying abilities, but it's still gotta be a straight up action game.

>>54140411

Oops, forgot to add: webm related, it's a Lunar Brawler.

>>54140354
>That objectively makes for a worse game though.
No, no it does not.

>>54140411

What are some good examples of games that ca be used as inspiration for non-Dawn Caste Solars?

>>54140411
>Exalted has, first and foremost, always been a game about epic action and the like
Only in your games. Others have a lot of fun running political or investigative games. The stakes are no lower and the characters no less intense and epic for the fact that the first solution isn't to duel with surfboard-sized swords, atop and exploding volcano (though don't get me wrong; I LOVE Exalted action no end). What you're describing though limits the players to only being Dawns and their ilk. While that can indeed be a ton of fun, it is missing vast amounts of what Creation is!

And even slowed-down as it is, there is nothing stopping a turn-based RPG from having just as much style as an action game, just provided the participants don't stand around jigging in place, before taking it in turns to make generic attack actions.

A key part of an Exalted game is to make sure each battle feels unique and meaningful, even if it's against an enemy you have faced three times already, because the situation has changed, the stakes are different, or your strategy has to adjust.

>>54140553

Metal Gear Solid series for a Night Caste. Lots of Night Caste's, actually. And a few Sidereals. And some Alchemicals.

>>54140599

Would Dishonored work? You're directly in contact with a god all throughout.

What would be a good example of a Twilight Caste? Not necessarily a crafter, but someone who uses his smarts.

>>54140104
>Sexists and things that are perceived as sexists at least have some consistency

Actually it is. There is consistency with the theme. If someone is using chainmail bikinis and thongs it will be prominent through everything picture.

Morons that try to cleanse art of offending elements have no consistency. They will remove it at some places and leave them at other. Or they will try to fight stereotypes and those same stereotypes will be seen in their works. Only they will be mirrored. Look at a comic Faith about a fat female superhero that wants a muscular, goodlooking boyfriend that is smitten with her. This is what happens when you get douchbags and morons trying to fight the "oppression".

People who like buff, manly, booze drinking, Conan-like heroes and hot women in almost non-existent clothes are at least honest about it.

>>54140354
I'm not quite sure if a game with that much scope is practical yet. Back in the mid-2000s game animations were simplistic enough that you could get away with a fair bit of bloat, but now animating any sort of good looking social system takes downright egregious amounts of time and talent. Games like bayo get to minimize this by hand animating some cutscenes for a linear story. Not something I'd want in an exalted game. If you don't have a solid system for doing that you end up with mass effect andromeda.

>>54140800
If it were simple, would it be worth doing? This always has and always will be the biggest challenge in creating an Exalted video game that truly captures the spirit of even the core book (so, Solars). It would have to be a labour of love and wouldn't push any technical envelopes, as working with existing engines and focusing on the aesthetic over raw graphical power, for instance, is more cost-effective. Even if the game is a financial success (and to do that, it would have to be a work of quality, rather than shovelware), it's not likely to re-define a company. It's the sad truth.

This is the kind of game you NEED enthusiastic and talented people on.

>>54140553
Covetous Shen from Diablo is a pretty perfect example of an Eclipse Caste Solar, or maybe a Twilight Caste.

>>54136652
I mean, I doubt getting rid of the great curse somehow also gets rid of the pride and selfishness inherent in human nature. It would help sure but not fix everything.

>>54138665
Do we have official numbers from anywhere?

>>54140065
If there was ever a exalted game it would have to narrow its focus. It could be a dawn caste character action game, or a twilight case investigation game, but there's no way it would be both, or do everything you could do in exalted all at once.

>>54141216
Sure, but the great curse causes all Solars to devolve into raving mad men capable of the darkest imaginable things. If they're dicks to each other because they're just regular people that's what going on now without the ability to keep Creation afloat.

>>54141216
The darkness of human nature isn't what made the Solars do human gardens and murder rape everything though. That's manageable and something which Sidereals can deal with without killing everyone.

>>54138295

Incredibly stupid homebrew exalts. Adding something the setting really had no business needing and throwing it in there for the hell of it. This is far worse than the late 2e shit they started horking. They should've just went back purely to the 1e roots with Solars/Abyssals/DB's/Lunars/Sidereals.

>"But they have places in the setting!"

Did you read the Infernals kickstarter preview? It was clear they had no idea where the hell to take them as it read like a stupid fantasy porn novel. Infernals were only added to kiss neph's ass after 2e Abyssals were botched, and while executed poorly I will at least admit they had a valid hook to be placed in the setting (Yozi's taking Solar Exaltations) even if the Infernals themselves were executed poorly.

But the new ones? No place at all. No foreshadowing. Just a "They're there even though there's little narrative space for them in the setting, so fuck you deal with them."

The Sol thing is an issue but minor compared to this.

>>54138619

As >>54138665 pointed out it did make a shitton of money... but hasn't put out nearly any book since it's launch and horribly botched kickstarter. Even if you leave the personal drama of Holdorke out of the equation you still have a laundry list of INCREDIBLY FUCKING STUPID ideas and decisions about the end product in of itself.

3e is an abortion, and if OPP/WW/Paradox has any mercy they should dispose of it and start anew as the only direction you can go is up.

>>54141866
>they should dispose of it and start anew as the only direction you can go is up

Not necessarily. It can also go downward. Take for example Dragon Age and Mass Effect. I think they are mediocre games with some interesting bits and pieces. They changed their teams and developers over the years and sequels are so atrocious that original games actually feel as pretty good games in comparison.

>>54141866

What bothers me most, I think, is the concept of Exigence. Not the Exigent Exalt themselves, but the idea that any god can create their own Exalt. It is somehow simultaneously bland yet special snowflake bait. I mean, what did Autochthon even do in the setting, if not create the Exaltations themselves

>they should dispose of it and start anew as the only direction you can go is up.

I think what's needed most of all is new management, both for deadlines and content. At the very least, the new devs are more communicative.

>>54142017
I feel like Exigents are meant for storytellers to make specific powerful individuals with a very specific focus. That is nowhere near what people are going to use them for. Autochthon did make the method that they all use though.

>>54142128
In a more meta sense, I'm looking to use the exigents book to make the cannon exalt types that won't get support for years.

>>54141866

Aight, glad to hear your perspective on it. I halfway agree.

I was frustrated with the direction they took Infernals in 3e. 2e Infernals were one of those rare inspirations in an RPG that actually seemed very fun conceptually. It's like it was too fun for them.

>>54142128

I always thought that they filled the design space left by the Infernal Devil-Tiger charm tree. Ever see an Infernal game that didn't end up as a race towards that shit?

>>54142165

Isn't that why they're releasing it so early? They're right after DBs. The devs have gone back on their decision to not include homebrew instructions, right?

>>54142206

What do you feel is wrong with them? Pretty much the entirety of the preview got shit- canned to to being canned shit. Do we even know anything about them beyond being ability based?

>>54142009

I never played neither of those games (Don't buy EA) but I'll take your word for it in regard to those games. But here I'll assume you mean the story being taken to shit, as from what I've heard about ME:A at least is that while the mechanics are not bad the story/characters are what's horrible.

Exalted is only half that. You literally need to pull everything up completely in order to have a chance at saving the game. The only thing they're doing now is trying to get the last bit of money from a dying cash cow.

>>54142128

I agree, it's like they forgot things like Gods, Demons, Elementals, and Raksha ceased to exist FFS.

>>54142235

I liked the non-ability based Devil-Tiger Infernals. It made them seem very alien compared to other Exalts. They're not my favorite splat (I'd rank DBs and Abyssals higher) but I had an Infernal character I enjoyed very much with the wacky weird powers.

Did any book every detail how long the primordial war went on for or is it left up to each table?

>>54142235
I never heard anything about, not including a toolbox. It seems like absolute lunacy not to.

>>54141685
>>54141834
Power and what it does to people is still one of the major themes of the game. I'm not trying to say that things were going to be just as awful without the curse no matter what, but its probably a mix of the curse and the fact that an entire society built up around telling the solars they can never do anything wrong

>>54142280

Sometimes I think they went as far as to state that time worked differently back then.

>>54141866
>But the new ones? No place at all. No foreshadowing. Just a "They're there even though there's little narrative space for them in the setting, so fuck you deal with them."
We know literally fucking nothing about any of them except a two page spread with maybe three paragraphs of text for two of them you tremendous cry baby

>>54142280
It's mostly left up to each table, the primordial war is super weird, there were long periods when time stopped working and/or important laws of physics didn't exist.

>>54142325

Liminals were, I think, an effort to take themes away from Abyssals.

>>54142337
[citation needed]
The devs have gone on fucking record saying the story is still going to center around the core five. Maybe the liminals are there because oh I don't know, themes of trying to restore people to life and the consequences that come from that are literally all over the place in epic mythology?

>>54142337
Geminans seem to be an effort to give sidereals a new problem to deal with.

>>54142308
Sure it was a mix, but it was a mix in the same way that the entire circumstance is store brand generic trail mix and the great curse is the peanuts. If its not readily apparent from my analogy, its almost all entirely the great curse's fault.

>>54142337
What themes? Abyssals were either edgy CRAWLING IN MY SKIN solar redemption guy or else straight up regular edge mass murderer in old editions

>>54142428
Hey Abysaals had more then that. They also had the theme of really terrible names.

>>54142325

And you apparently cannot read.

I said earlier than the Infernals kickstarter was solid evidence that they had no idea where they hell to place the non-core exalts. Even if I put aside the fact they're not horribly hamfisted I do not remotely trust the current team to implement them in a cohesive fashion to the setting. It's like having a nice turkey dinner then people bringing over literal inedible shit to the dinner and expect you to eat it along with the turkey dinner. They don't understand that it doesn't mesh with the overall themes of a turkey dinner or even if they're a good/awful cook, just that they expect you eat it even though it has no business at a turkey dinner.

>>54142280
>>54142317
>>54142329

I could've sworn that it was 150 years or so but for the life of me I can't find a source for that figure. Has no-one else seen a similar one?

>>54142490
>I said earlier than the Infernals kickstarter was solid evidence that they had no idea where they hell to place the non-core exalts.
But thats fucking wrong. It was what, like 3 pages total they made up out thin air since infernals were fucking years off even if everything kept on schedule. The only thing that held any weight from any of those previews was MAYBE the example charms, as it shows how they were planning to design them going in, but even those they could do a complete one eighty on once they actually get down to making the full set and playtesting it.

>>54142536

>three pages

Anon you can tell a turd is going to be a turd when the turtle is poking their head out of the shell. The Infernal preview was so reviled that they actually had to say they needed to scrap everything they were doing. It wasn't SJW bullshit like the Abyssals preview was, but worse as it was a terrible concept for Infernals with a terrible place in the setting with terrible mechanical execution, even WITH the three pages it should've been clear as fucking day.

And that's just terrible.

>years off

We gave the developers years. We got the 2e magitech bullshit amped up into a stupid degree followed with bad homebrew setting+mechanics passing off as a new edition with drama and salt all around.

I gave them their chance. My trust in them is completely gone.

>>54142691
>Anon you can tell a turd is going to be a turd when the turtle is poking their head out of the shell.
I really don't see how you can think that when these are the same devs that scrapped an entire fucking finished core book because it wasn't good enough for them. Let alone all the other changes we've seen made over time, the martial arts techniques getting scrapped, the three circles of evocations and that one keywords letting solars keep them on regular weapons going out the window.
>>54142691
>We got the 2e magitech bullshit amped up into a stupid degree followed with bad homebrew setting+mechanics passing off as a new edition with drama and salt all around.
Look if you just don't plane don't like the game you can just say that instead of making up dumb horseshit

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>>54142691

Speaking of Infernals; Is Best Girl still in the game? I don't think we've heard anything new about her.

>>54142752

Yes I do mean those same devs. Funny how they did all of that and were still horrifically off mark on nearly everything.

>Look if you just don't plane don't like the game you can just say that instead of making up dumb horseshit

>If you don't like it, don't play!

Fuck off.

It's BECAUSE I like the game that I give these criticisms. I'd rather complain about something I see are major issues about a game I love rather than eating shit and then smiling with a mouthful of shit.

What I love and want is Exalted. What I don't want are someone's shitty homebrew.

>>54142950
No I mean make up stupid complaints. What fucking magitech problem the half page stuff on first age artifice with no actual examples? That and the whole 'bad hombrew' make me realize you're just a shitposter when it's competing for best book ww has ever put out.

>>54142950
The one who needs to fuck off is you. Infernals have precisely shit all to do with the new Exalts, so pointing at whatever reaction was drawn by its preview says absolutely nothing. Point to something relevant or piss off.

Has 3e literally been out for over a year without rules for Dragon-Blooded, AKA the most common exalt type in the setting and the people with the most fluffy reasons to be opposing Solars? Not to mention Abyssals, Lunars and Sidereals? Why the fuck wouldn't you just play 1e?

>>54143686
Because I enjoy playing 3e solars a hell of a lot, often specifically because of what they've put in 3e. I've never played an rpg with an initiative = damage system, and I find it a lot of fun. In that same vein, I like the Charm "bloat," because it scratches my character optimization itch in all the right places.

>>54143686
>Has 3e literally been out for over a year without rules for Dragon-Blooded

First leaks were out in 2014.
Book was finished and leaked in 2015
It was officially published in 2016.

Do the rest of the math yourself :).

The DragonBlooded book has gone into RedLines.

>>54143789

Right but all of your antagonists (barring a handful of prefabricated ones) are either mortals (trivial to deal with) or other Solars which is really hard to justify.

Plus you have to go out of your way to avoid plots that bring you into contact with the Realm or the Wyld or most spirits. It's like D&D with no Monster Manual.

Don't you find it stifling?

>>54140678
>What would be a good example of a Twilight Caste?

Skyrim obviously, since the Craft system was directly ripped from "Craft 10,000 Iron Daggers to make Megacock, Sword of Destructination".

>>54142804
I'm pretty sure we haven't heard anything, but I'd guess not. She was never really an unofficial character, and I imagine the new devs will avoid using Holden and Morke's (more or less) unpublished ideas. Also I doubt we'll be seeing many conventionally attractive female characters from here on.

Which is a shame, because she was pretty cool.

>>54144096
Not really. I can just reskin a lot of the prefabricated antagonists, and if that doesn't work then you can just give 'em reskinned (and de-powered) solar charms. It's a hell of a lot of work, but it's not impossible.

>>54142528

The whole "time worked differently" thing was something 2E dreamed up. There never was a stated time before that, and honestly, all material before that said it was supposedly a very short, very brutal affair.

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>>54144194

>Spoiler

All the more reason that she is Best Girl.

>>54144194
>Also I doubt we'll be seeing many conventionally attractive female characters from here on.

Really? I was under the impression that Holden was a source of a lot of the SJW shit.

>>54144354
I don't have a picture of Cake Lunar handy, so I'll concede the point for now.

Definitely best Infernal, at least.

>>54144489
I don't know, I got the impression Vance was pretty into that too, and unlike Holden he seems too nice to run with an idea like Basphomy that might upset that crowd just because he thinks it's good.

But it's not like we've seen any books published with him at the head, yet. I might be wrong.

>>54144624

I remember Holden going off on that shit on twitter.

>>54139860
White Wolf is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Paradox Games, who have stated they have no intention to develop an Exalted game.

>>54144696

>who have stated they have no intention to develop an Exalted game

Really? Where have they said that?

>>54140565
Exalted is absolutely terrible for running both kinds of games because of how the investigation "system" is set up and how the social "system" works.

If you want to play a good investigative game, play any Gumshoe game.

If you want to play a good political game, I highly recommend you just use Diplomacy to emulate that. My friends and I have done it for years for our political intrigue game set in Not!Westeros.

>>54142337
>>54142375
>referring to things that no longer exist
Why?

>>54140760
>Morons that try to cleanse art of offending elements have no consistency.
No, they have functioning brains.

>They will remove it at some places and leave them at other.
So they think it's okay for some characters to be a certain way some of the time, as long as they're not so common as to portray that kind of person as a walking stereotype and crowd out other types of people. This belief system is commonly known as "sanity".

>Or they will try to fight stereotypes and those same stereotypes will be seen in their works.
>People who repeat the same stereotypes all the time aren't bigots, they're just being honest and consistent. People who acknowledge stereotypes and try to do something different are the REAL bigots!
It's easy to guess why you're so fond of this stereotype.

>People who like buff, manly, booze drinking, Conan-like heroes and hot women in almost non-existent clothes are at least honest about it.
No you're not. You're trumpeting old stereotypes as if they were something to be proud of just because you're trumpeting them, yet when YOU perceive a different kind of "stereotype" in a single other fictional character, you're offended by it and hate the people who write that character.

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>>54144624

>Cake Lunar

You have good taste.

>Vance was pretty into that too

He's training to become an LGBT Lawyer, or something? He doesn't seem to be as outspoken as Holden.

>>54144745
>Really? Where have they said that?
On their forums. They're developing the new Vampire rules for tabletop, updating the rules for (Vampire) LARP, and hinted that they'll be using the Vampire property for video games -- they mentioned specifically Bloodlines being a goal. But they didn't talk about any other parts of the World of Darkness and when asked directly about Exalted in interviews, didn't even seem to be aware of the property beyond the fact that it exists and some people like it. Explicitly they don't have plans beyond the World of Darkness. Hence it being licensed to OPP.

>>54144845

>No, they have functioning brains.

Why is censorship considered to be an intellectual good in your eyes? It's usually considered the opposite in western society.

>>54144925
Because you're using the word "censorship" to mean "people wanting art to portray things other than one very specific thing all the time, and artists creating art in accordance with their preferences".

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>>54144849
>Your Lunar waifu will never eat all of your baking, even if its a ridiculous inhuman amount, just so no one else can.

Its a complicated feeling.

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>>54145022
Not him, but yes, the act of removing something because you oppose it on a moral level is censorship.

>>54144849
>He's training to become an LGBT Lawyer, or something?
I've heard that too, but I can't confirm it. He's definitely more pleasant than Holden (and others) about the subject, anyway.

But that's why I'm a little worried future Exalted material will shy away from anything controversial. As much as I like Vance, he seems averse to conflict, and not caring what others think can sometimes be a good thing.

We'll see, though. I'm interested in seeing what Exalted will be like with him as lead developer (and glad we're finally getting more regardless of how it turns out).

>>54145103
He has pretty much toed the line when directly questioned about that sort of thing. I will agree however that he is quite a bit less obnoxious about it and lacks a lot of the condescension of other OPP staff on the matter.

>>54145093
*the act of creating art that isn't what you personally like
He's objecting to it because it results in women who aren't scantily clad sexpots. His outrage has nothing to do with any actual moral high ground and everything to do with the existence of art that doesn't match with his specific personal tastes, which in this case means all women being sexualized all the time because something something consistency.

>>54145312

Nah, it's mostly because of sex-negativity inspired by feminism that has crept into the rpg scene.

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>>54145312
>He's objecting to it because it results in women who aren't scantily clad sexpots

But the Empress is literally a gigantic whore who has slept with thousands over her lifetime, and made an empire based on breeding women out even if they don't want to in order to shore up DB numbers no matter what. Oh, and she's also homicidal as fuck, and routinely throws people into soul extracting devices, including her own daughter.

And her showing some leg on her dress is apparently a problem, because...Why? Compared to anything else the character has done.

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>>54145380

You might be kidding, but it's true. They took the steam out of the movement back in the early 80's for sex workers to unionize because they insisted on framing them as arch-victims of the patriarchy instead of workers who deserve rights.

Pic related is a good book that hits on the subject.

>>54145429

Very aware of it. American Feminism still has that cultural DNA in it from the New England church, it's a fundamentally sex-negative ideology.

>>54144849
>He's training to become an LGBT Lawyer, or something? He doesn't seem to be as outspoken as Holden.
From what I've heard he's focused on actual activism rather than SJW activism.

>>54146414
Well let's just hope he knows the real reasons behind the wage gap then.

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>>54139695

I'd say a pool of 8-9 and an excellency, toss in Excellent Strike and you're 100% good to not be useless

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>>54141216
The real problem with the Curse isn't that it takes people who would have been a 9 on the 1-10 Dickish scale and turns them into a 1000. Its that its takes the people who would have been 2s and makes them 8s and 9s.

Sure human nature is flawed, and there are always gonna be jackasses drunk on UNLIMITED POWAH. But human nature swings both ways. Without the curse you actually have the hope of the dicks being offset by genuinely decent, moral, and emphatic Lawgivers who aren't inevitably cucked into either collaboration or apathy by the selfish and callous among them over time. This hopefully forms a a long term internal counterbalance to worst of Solar decadence without having to burn it all down and throw the baby out with the bathwater like the Siddies did

>>54146702
>The real problem with the Curse isn't that it takes people who would have been a 9 on the 1-10 Dickish scale and turns them into a 1000. Its that its takes the people who would have been 2s and makes them 8s and 9s.

I'll disagree with that. Giving Omega Hitler world breaking power and then cranking his asshole meter to 1,000 is how you get Deathlord's, Anon. You don't want Deathlord's. Notice how a bunch of other mad-ass Solar's didn't end up Deathlord's? It's because they weren't quite as full retard as the ones that did. The Curse definitely affected different ones in different ways.

Shit, look at Desus, everyones favorite poster boy for the GC. All he really did was figure out new ways to beat his wife every day. And if it's a choice between Wifebeaty McGee and Killfuck Soulshitter, Cornholer of Worlds, I'd rather deal with Wifebeaty McGee rather than Killfuck Soulshitter.

>>54144795
That seems a very opinion-focused response. Honestly, I find Exalted's social combat to be more involved than social mechanics in almost any other system I could name.

>>54144696
Paradox? The Europa Universalis guys? The hell are they doing owning a company that publishes tabletop books?

>>54146772
>All he really did was figure out new ways to beat his wife every day.
And make her like it.

>>54146702

Interestingly, nearly all Solars who died reverted to their heroic nature. The moment they ended up dead, they were no longer affected by the Great Curse.

In fact, they saved the Underworld!

>>54148164

The funny thing is, Desus loved his wife. Like, really loved her. His problem was that he was a sexual sadist. If not for that, he'd have been a cool dude.

Contrast that to Marama in DotFA, who really, really needs a Solar to fuck the crazy out of her. (Literally, given her background.)

>>54148158
>The hell are they doing owning a company that publishes tabletop books?

They're fans of old school White Wolf.

>>54148249
His problem may not have been sadism actually since it was implied at least once that he may not have been immune to his own, magical, charms.

He may have fallen for his hype like everyone else.

>>54145312
>>54145380
It's still censorship, but it's not worth arguing over in the case of most RPGs.

Exalted, on the other hand, comes with built in reasons for sluttiness, rape, and has a regent whose name is both Fokuf and whose shtick is that he can't stop masturbating to the idea of the Empress.

One cannot express how comically stupid the idea of censoring the art of Exalted is without also expressing how bad the setting elements are. It makes one cross their eyes and ask "what is the fucking point?"

Then you realize Holdorke are just trying to get laid.

>>54149675

That isn't the worst part. They are removing "problematic" parts to kiss ass to loud minority. God forbid they are offended by something. Then they will put some new ideas to appease that minority and if someone else is offended by these new additions (like they are offended by "problematic" parts that were removed for me game) you are told you have no right to be offended. You are told you are caveman and need to get on with the times.

This double standard is the worst part. They are fighting oppression by oppressing others. I know there was a thread on OPP where a guy told backer edition cover page was cool as hell but he liked 1st ed/2nd edition hieroglyphs more and RichT went full mental in that thread.

>>54148158
>That seems a very opinion-focused response
I mean, of course, but it's also taking into account that Gumshoe is objectively the best investigative RPG system there is because it's designed specifically for that.

It also doesn't have problems with some basic assumptions that Exalted struggles with. For example, you're a trained goddamn investigator. You're not going to fail to find a clue you're trained to find. Whereas Exalted makes you roll anyway even though the average Exalt is going to have 3-4 dice to make the 3-4 successes for a mortal master criminal's work. An Exalt who is investigation focused isn't going to fail, barring total dice failure.

Rolling for anything on an investigation conducted by an Exalt should only come up when the criminal is also Exalted. Which you can't overuse as a scenario without the players getting bored.

As for political games, social combat absolutely sucks for mapping how intrigue and powerplays happen because it makes failure on anything besides the merits of the scheme possible. The social combat of 2e was absolute dogshit and the only improvement in 3e was the suggestion that you simply ignore it if you want to. You're much better off simply using rounds of Diplomacy to map political action and only using the Exalted mechanics for the one thing they're not terrible at: actual combat.

>>54149748
... second ed at least had the automatic success rules... if you have 7 dice in a pool you can auto succeed at a difficulty on check. every 3 additional dice increases the checks that you can auto suceed at....

>>54150285
1e had that, not 2e.

>>54149748
Everyone makes dumbass mistakes, even when they shouldn't.

Everyone without the Second Excellency, that is.

>>54142459
>Hey Abysaals had more then that. They also had the theme of really terrible names.
Does anyone else think that Exalted naming conventions are better in general than most fantasy settings?

Seriously, taking a pair of words may not seem all that creative, but compared to smashing random consonant and vowel sounds together until you get something that 'sounds good', it's practically filled with nuance and subtlety.

>>54145429
Bourgeoisie feminism is disgusting. It doesn't really give a fuck about women other than those that have enough money behind them to be CEOs and all that other bullshit. I believe feminism is correct and beneficial to the world, but god almighty do I fucking hate what corporations make it into. It's so transparent with shit like lady Ghostbusters and Wonder Woman that they want you to think that by chucking piles of money at products, you're helping women out.

>>54146480
Fuck off moron

>>54150523
>Wonder Woman

Didn't really see the issue with Wonder Woman. I mean, she's one of the Big Three for DC and her movie didn't suck.

>>54150512

Exalted names are both goofy and cool at the same time. My only problem with them is we can't use them in my native tongue because they sounds awful.

>>54150534
It's pretty blatantly favoring of military interventionism, and I hate how it tries to make the British Empire of all fucking people into good guys and a guy suing for peace into a bad guy because "peace makes you weak!" That and the marketing campaign for it is so wanky, acting like women really needed a fictional Greek princess to be their role-model.

>>54150512
It would be nice if there was an actual section of the book for naming conventions. We can see from the fiction that not all people use a pair of words, so why can't we get a naming style guide for different directions?

>>54150580
>It's pretty blatantly favoring of military interventionism

It's a WW1/2 movie. I don't think that was ever going to be in question.

I wasn't a huge fan of making the triple entente unambigious good guys but it's a hell of a lot better than I expected out of DC. If they handled their male characters as well as they did wonder woman (And it's not exactly a high bar) maybe they wouldn't be getting slaughtered.

>>54150636
Well in the case of the Realm, the general trend for personal names of Dynasts follows a specific convention as well.

I can't remember for the life of me which old book it was in (1e player's handbook? core? fucking GoD maybe!? ...but anyway it contained a set of pictures showing the characters for the languages of old realm, high realm, and low realm, and the pronunciations as well.

To cut to the chase, the Realm uses consonant-vowel pairs for constructing names. Ragara is a family name but it works good as an example here because when you break it down according to the Dynast naming conventions, it becomes Ra-Ga-Ra. Personal names for most dynasts follow along the same theme.

>It would be nice if there was an actual section of the book for naming conventions.
That said I agree with this.

>>54150559
I always liked using them as subtle references to the character's personality. Basically an in-joke that only I would get.

>>54150645
Side-note, I find DC's cartoon movies to be better than Marvel's. But yeah, they're getting their asses kicked when it comes to live action.

>>54151153

>Side-note, I find DC's cartoon movies to be better than Marvel's. But yeah, they're getting their asses kicked when it comes to live action.

Oh yeah. DC's cartoons are being handled a lot better than both their live action and Marvel's cartoons.

>>54148164
if she likes it it's not so bad then, it probably helped her be the best at martial arts right? ;)
>>54142428
that's the problem, with liminals eating the death themes abyssals can never be anything more than they are: shitty emo murder exalt that exists solely to make the solars look extra shiny by comparison

>>54149748
On that note, Exalted is a terrible combat simulator because when the hell is a trained warrior going to miss. If the combat system relies on anything but my ability to hit the GM with a foam sword it's shit.

>>54151505
>it probably helped her be the best at martial arts right

Being the best at MA in Exalted is like being the fastest retard at the special olympics though.

>>54151871

Unless you're a Sid, then it's the only way to get anything done.

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>>54148164

Also nothing special. Plenty of women attached to abusers in real life have the whole "HE BEATS ME 'CAUSE HE LOVES ME" thing going on. Like was said, the problem with the curse isn't that it takes an otherwise alright guy and makes him a bad person, it's that it takes the real, true crazies, and cranks it up to incredible degrees.

Unfortunately the best the Sids could come up with to cure it was pic related, which is why the setting is currently a dumpster fire, and will remain that way until someone clues Solars the fuck in and they get around to fixing it.

>>54150285
>>54150373
Correct. Exalted has progressed backwards in terms of the quality of the engine every step.

>>54151805
Is this an attempt at a counterpoint? Or are you just trying to make us all aware you know nothing about fighting?

>>54152565
I think you have legitimate autism if you think that people choose their actions based on the "merits" of an argument, how about that. On top of that, if you think that 3e social influence is at all like 2e social influence, or in any way works the same, you are doubly retarded. How about that.

>>54150373
then my 2e corebook is defective because it has those rules on page 124.

>>54144096

Not really. I often reverse convert dragonblooded charms from 2e or just use the clutch of dragons homebrew

>>54152549
That is pretty much the exact opposite of truth.

>>54153358
2e is certainly a step down from 1e in most ways, and there are parts of 1e I wish 3e had taken some hard lessons from. I still think 3e is superior to 1e overall, though. Have you tried running a fight in 1e? Good lord, it's terrible.

(There's a part of me that wants to take the parts of 3e that I like and the parts of 1e that I like and mush them together into a new system, honestly, but I won't.)

>>54142017
>Not the Exigent Exalt themselves, but the idea that any god can create their own Exalt

That WOULD suck, but that is not how it works at all. The Exigence is a rare gift from the UCS, not something any god can do on their own.

>>54143686
1e's combat system is an abomination. hth

>>54153759
>there are parts of 1e I wish 3e had taken some hard lessons from
I'm not that familiar with 1e. Could you elaborate on what parts of it were nice?

>>54154111
I like the simplicity it has in a lot of places, and I'll be honest: I like buying specific die-adders for specific abilities a lot more than getting free excellencies and getting tailored dice tricks. I don't like how buying die-adders worked in practice in 1e, but I like it conceptually.

>>54153894

Pretty much this.
Step 1) Attacker makes attack roll
Step 2)Defender makes defense roll
Each success on defense reduces attacker's successes in 1:1 ratio. If attacker has any remaining successes proceed to step 3
Step 3) Add Strength, weapon dmg, and remaining successes into flat number.
Step 4) Defender applies soak. Can't reduce dmg below 1.
Step 5) remaining damage represents damage dice poll. roll it. Every success deals one level of health damage.

That is 4 defenses you need to pass through. You need to succeed on attack, enemy needs to fail his defense roll, you need to bypass his soak and still you need to hope to gods to roll a success on damage roll or entire endeavor was useless for you.

>>54150523
>Fuck off moron

I wonder if you would explode into autist bits if I told you it was an aggregate.

>>54154330

Holy shit. He must be really angry if he reacted like that after you mentioned wage gap. Damn.

>>54121059
>slice of life

You have no idea how much I want to run a game of exalted slice of life now. Then wait and watch it all go tumbling down.

>>54154638

DB Highschool game when?

>>54154747
Its been done. Its never as fun as you think it will be.

>>54154747
That would be actually pretty fun. Imagine how explosive teenage love triangles could get when you can survive falls out of 3 Storey buildings and half the participants light shit on fire when they get angry.

>>54154795
The closest I've gotten to a concept like that was a game where we played as the older teenage sons and daughters of a solar king dealing with politics at home and trying not to get murdered. I've never really seen a younger dragon blooded PC in any games I've been in for some reason.

>>54154821

It'll be interesting to see how much more complicated things could become with Sidereal substitute teachers and secret Anathema amongst your midst.

>>54154923
All I can see now is a typical romance YA fiction novel played by exalted. "Do I go for possible Anathema? The furry? Or the honorable dragon blooded son of the top allies of the family?" Only have it diverge into exalted Kung fu action once in a while to satisfy plot points. Then watch it all burn in one session.

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>>54155144

Wouldn't it just be the best? The Anathema is tempting, but could you really handle spending the rest of high-school being called a furfag if you're found out?

>>54115919

At least it kept threads alive