EDH/Commander General

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>>54070049
>Thread Question
I like to smash face

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>>54070049
>thread question
One of my favorite EDH cards is Lurking Predators. It's very similar to Rhystic Study and the randomness leads to some very fun boards. Sometimes it's a do-nothing card but in 4 or more player games it can be incredible and when you've got some way to tutor or put creatures on top of your deck it's extremely fun.

I've made plays like Worldly Tutoring for Mystic Snake in response to the trigger and those are my favorite part of magic. Other times it is just a Timmy card that gives you free fatties.

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Comments, suggestions, etc. on my Hapatra deck? Going to play it for the first time tonight.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hey-hapatra-nice-asp/

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>>54070186
Could use a dash of spice.

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>>54070049
So much value for 1 mana, and nobody ever wastes removal on it. Goes in every blue deck I have.

>>54064262
>>54064263
>>54064721
>>54066397
So it seems like itd between Shu Yun and Jeleva. Problem is one of the people in my playgroup already runs a derpy Jeleva deck. Should I still build her?

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Hey guys what are some good ways to win with Zur?

I'd like to make my Zur not a hard combo deck, but have them in there just in case. Is Voltron good? Should I look at stax maybe?

>>54070223
I didn't even know that was a thing.

>>54070269
Voltron seems doable. Steel of the Godhead and Edge of the Divinity alone can make him threatening. Toss in something like Champion's Helm and you'll be good to go.

>>54070294
Glad I could help.

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>>54070269
If you don't want to just combo off, then I think a combo of lockdown and Voltron works. Get a bunch of enchants to hinder your opponents...prison effects, propaganda effects, Karmic Justice...

Then load up Zur with what >>54070305 mentions, and Ethereal Armor.

Oh yes, and Imprisoned in the Moon is amazing in Zur, especially on Commanders. My buddy played it on an opponent and the used Copy Enchantment to play it on me.

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i've just about finished with adding white to my reanimator, i'm just looking for those last spicy meatballs to include in my Esper reanimator, so please share if you got em. i'm especially looking for ways to do spot removal at good value, and i'm hoping to cut stuff like archon of justice to make room for that

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-investments

the goal of the deck is to make value plays and maybe win

oloro is only in the command zone ironically. i don't think i'll ever actually bother getting him as a card, i'll just use him to tick my life up during my upkeep to trigger my friends who think wotc designed commanders are cool

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>>54070049
>What card describes you best as a deckbuilder and why?
guided passage
cards in hand is value. period.

>>54070305
>>54070364
What are the best ways to deal with removal in your experience? Flickerform is great, but only if you keep 4 mana open which is less than desirable.

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Post dakka art

I have a problem with deckbuilding I only can build either t1 decks or like 50% decks every time I try to build something in the middle it either comes out super shitty or just way too good.
I mostly play in the turn 4 combo metas playing stax and midrange decks or really bad build around me commanders for casual play
I just cant seem to get a good 75% list going that isnt just a net deck, never been a fan of net decking.
something like this list
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/geist-of-banners-needs-help/
is just plain garbage
something like this has good cards in it put runs out of steam immediately
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/presents-from-your-uncle/
Im not really sure what I'm missing

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So I started building Shattergang Brothers (which is fucking sweet) and I picked up one of pic related last night. I didn't have a win-con yet, and this is perfect. Gimme some combo ideas, the jankier the better.

> thread question
Xenagod exemplifies everything I love about EDH. Like a giant gauche baby with a shotgun

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reposting from last thread

Ok guys, what should I build for my next deck?
>Oloro Lifegain
>Derevi Stax
>Jeleva Spellslinger
>Shu Yun Beatdown

I need help deciding pls halp ;_;

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>>54070538

>;_;

Build a noose and hang yourself.

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>>54070505
pull out 6 shadowborn apostles
tutor for pic related

>>54070538
Elvish Piper-effects tribal with Survival of the Fittest to ensure you are cheating big creatures into play.

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>>54070538
>pls halp ;_;

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>thread question
every deck I have made so far has had black involved and this little guy has been an auto-include for me ever since it was printed

>>54070505
>Gimme some combo ideas, the jankier the better.

well you're in GB and you have red's looters, so you're basically already on your way to cancer town with potential sac & recur shenanigans

Woodland Bellower to access any retarded good 3-mana creature (Somberwald Sage, Eternal Witness, Fierce Empath)

Birthing Pod and Eldritch Evolution to further cancer up your shit

etc

i could go on so just look at my sultai deck prototype and copypaste all the green/black cards into your deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sultai-bullshit-fuck-you-wotc/

add red's looters and some red goodstuffs like shivan harvest and sire of insanity, win with value

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>>54070585

>suggesting cards that cost more than $1 in /edhg/

$20 budget including shipping is a meme for a reason.

>>54070538
Shu Yun, but all of the choices you gave are cancer desu senpai

>>54070442
Well, you're running Zur, so you've got access to blue. Counterspells.

Zur can also fetch out Gift of Immortality, which can be more annoying to deal with than at first glance.

>>54070619
Grey Merchant + Wound Reflection is pain.

>>54070538
shu yun is the least cancer of your potential choices

oloro is honestly boring as fuck, i'd rather build something different for lifegain, even if it's weaker. kambal or brion come to mind

jeleva is also just kaalia but spells, people are going to hate you out and it's not a very nuanced deck, just typical wotc edh pandering crap

discover the fun in deckbuilding a more flavorful and obscure commander thats my advice

>>54070673
Sanguine Bond is brutal too with 4+ players

>>54070631
Oh yeah, Gaea's Cradle will be good in that deck because it has a lot of creatures and Candelabra of Tawnos can let you double dip on the Cradle.

>>54070442
>What are the best ways to deal with removal
not being overly reliant on permanents
I know I know this is edh but getting value without being super susceptible to removal is something that makes a lot of decks function much better

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I put this dude in every black deck I make

>>54070673
>>>54070619
>Grey Merchant + rite of rep is pain.
ftfy

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>people will unironically use this card

>>54070749
btw its tutor for 5 to hand
B: cycle

>>54070558
>>54070590
>/tg/ gets this autismo
wew lad
>>54070638
Thanks might just build an only spells shu yun deck
>>54070683
my favorite part of edh and its appeal to me is the group dynamic/politics of it. if i wanted to sperg about my deckbuilding I would play standard

>>54070385

Ethersworn adjudicator is better than is looks.

You also need a Debtor's Knell

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>>54070708
Good choice anon. I do as well

>>54070749
>"ritual" in the name but it doesn't make mana
>"tutor" not in the name but it is a tutor
Cocksuckers at wotc ignoring tradition really frustrates me. Having continuity and identifiable trends in the cards can give the game an extra je ne sais quoi instead of being a generic "fantasy game".

For the first ~15 years of the game they actually put in the effort to be consistent and have little winks to the fans with this kind of thing.

>>54070749
It's better than diabolic tutor, and people run that.

Even at 5 mana though it doesn't seem awful for BBM (but probably just that deck)

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>>54070944
I would definitely choose flashback over cycling though. Unless the deck is built to benefit from cycling/discarding.

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>>54070749
I'm still mad that chucklefuck got a fight scene while Griz died like a bitch.

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>>54070994
That card is surprisingly good for budget builds. Sure it's 13 mana, but its also three cards.

Combo enabler that is

>>54070709
>playing blue

I managed to score the naya and jund commander decks in those plastic things some stores sell. What are some upgrades I can make so these aren't immediate shit?

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>>54070619
Do you people who run him include him in 2-color decks, what about 3-colors? I was thinking of putting him in my Alesha deck, but I figured most of the time the only devotion to black I'd have would be gay merchant himself.

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For tokens with multiple arts, do you have a collection of a single specific version? Do you try to keep your tokens the same or just use whatever? Do you even bother to use official tokens or just use dice or whatever is at hand?

>>54071154
he's probably still decent value in alesha since you can build black focus with your permanents (grave pact, phyrexian arena, etc)

he's good in dual-color almost always, and godlike in monoblack

>>54071155
I use dice and upside down cards.

>>54071198
Guess I'll include him and try to throw in a few more black permanents.

>>54071266
nah don't bother building around him, just include him if your permanents are at least 40% black, and don't if they're not

there are other ways to gain & drain life in mardu besides gray merchant too

>>54070563
i really want to build this but fuck me shadowborns are 3-4$ each (CAD)

>>54070944
>It's better than diabolic tutor
no its not

>>54071382
>shadowborns are 3-4$ each (CAD)
really?

>>54071397
yeah even online sites list them for around 3$-4$ each

>>54071397
>>54071411

They're 2.50 USD retail

>>54071575
so yeah around the same price CAD like I was explaining

>>54071411
>>54071575
You can get them for $2 each if you specifically look for bulk listings.

>>54071125
Doubling Season :^)

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Is this board wipes the set?

>>54071664
you couldn't tell by the slew of boardwipe invocations?

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What are some good colorless lands to add to my Emrakul, the Promised End deck? Anything better than a Waste would be acceptable, though I do plan on having at least one or two Wastes in the deck just for the odd basic land shenanigans my opponents could play.

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this card fits me well. Its a br staple for me but its also super secret tech that never once was a dead draw.

you look at it once, and thinks its really good.
look at it a second time, and think its really bad.
THEN you look at it a third time, you realize this can be devistating and can turn bad trades into good ones. add that with wither creatures and the new scorpion god, and you are looking at getting some draws on top of it.

quick question though, if a creature with the ability died and got reanimated in the same turn, would it still have the triggered ability?

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I like it.

>>54071011
To be fair he died like a bitch too.

Just gotta cater to the vore fetishists.

>>54071664
GET FUCKED AVACYN

>>54071697
most of the colorless lands from BFZ/oath
city of traitors
ancient tomb

>>54071766
>5 damage to an 8/8

Okay.

>>54071155
I use whatever token I have available, but I tend to try to pick ones that I prefer. Like if I am gonna have a clue I would rather have the feather one instead of the stupid avacyn stained glass one. I am working on my first painted token for my personal use, so in the future I am going to attempt to paint all my own.

>>54071793
Wrong Avacyn, dude.
The Boros one.

>>54071750
>green is allowed to manipulate the deck before revealing something
>red is not

Oh...

>>54071814
Then why would it matter that creatures lose Indestructible?

>>54071814
>no, not the Avacyn that's actually played in EDH

>>54071861
because you can't flash her in to dodge the board wipe?

>>54071881
tbqh, the best Avacyn is also somewhat fucked because you killed her friends and can doomblade her as a followup

>>54071793
>>54071861
>>54071881
It still fucking nukes their field retards.

>>54071697
eldrazi tribal lands
eugene lands

>>54071750
It's a bad version of Pelakka Wurm

>>54071697
Ancient Tomb
Arcane Lighthouse
Blasted Landscape
Blinkmoth Well
Buried Ruin
Cavern of Souls
City of Traitors
Command Beacon
Crystal Vein
Darksteel Citadel
Deserted Temple
Drownyard Temple
Dust Bowl
Eldrazi Temple
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Ghost Quarter
Grasping Dunes
Hall of the Bandit Lord
Haunted Fengraf
High Market
Homeward Path
Inventor's Fair
Mage-Ring Network
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Miren, the Moaning Well
Mirrorpool
Mishra's Workshop
Nephalia Academy
Petrified Field
Phyrexia's Core
Quicksand
Radiant Fountain
Reliquary Tower
Rishadan Port
Rogue's Path
Ruins of Oran-Rief
Sanctum of Ugin
Sea Gate Wreckage
Sequestered Stash
Shrine of the Forsaken Gods
Spawning Bed
Springjack Pasture
Strip Mine
Sunscorched Desert
Tectonic Edge
Temple of the False God
Terrain Generator
Thespian's Stage
Throne of the High City
Tomb of the Spirit Dragon
Tower of the Magistrate
Untaidake, the Cloud Keeper
Wasteland
Winding Canyon
Zoetic Cavern

>>54072082
Eh, debatable. You are likely to get less life, but the top deck manipulation is good. In limited I would rather gain 3 less life and make sure I am ripping gas off the top.

And to be fair, both cards are only limited playable, so this is probably better

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>>54072082
Just you wait.

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>>54071944
Well since I play Avacyn, Angel of Hope, I guess we'll just see how big of a dent this makes in the grand scheme.

I do run answers to people trying to get around indestructible, though, plus five damage only kills about 2/3 creatures in my deck, and I have more than one anthem effect.

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>>54072158
I've got something for your avacyn. :^)

>>54071697
Arcane Lighthouse
Buried Ruin
Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
Crystal Vein
Drownyard Temple
High Market
Inventor's Fair
Mirrorpool
Mishra's Factory
Mishra's Workshop
Phyrexia's Core
Rogue Passage
Sanctum of Ugin
Sea Gate Wreckage
Shrine of the Forsaken Gods (good card)
Thespian's Stage
Winding Canyons
Zoetic Cavern (can be used to ramp, great utility)

I'll also add the new colorless utility land that exiles your creatures from HOU to my deck when I get one. Choosing from the tons of utility lands is one of the funnest parts of playing colorless.

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>>54072202
Whoops! Just missed her.

(^;

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>>54072300
;^)

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>>54072300
Gotcha

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>>54072300
*plays 3 of these in response*
heh

>>54072219
>Crucible of the Spirit Dragon

That's the wrong "of the Spirit Dragon" land.
Tomb is the one that could actually come in handy.

>>54070432

This card could be sweet with silver bullet effects because if you need to hate on one player, you could target a different one and make a deal

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>>54072328
Pay that cost now, smart guy.

>>54072341
Got me there, friendo. Though, it's a curious and specific way to deal with a specific commander.

>>54072355
nothin' personal

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>>54070049
Remind people that even the unassuming commander can situationally be more dangerous than what’s displayed on its surface.

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>>54072430
enough

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>>54072462
Caught you red handed! Now come quietly and it'll make this easier for everyone.

>>54071701

No

>>54072392
You're right that Crucible is bad but I think Haven is actually the best one. Sanctum of Ugin is also well worth including in a colorless deck.

>>54071701
Nope, the game sees it as a new creature on the battlefield, independent from anything that happened prior.

>>54072596
This is in the context of an Emrakul deck.
Maybe Steel Hellkite and Ugin are MVP enough you feel like keeping Haven around to get them back, but that's about all it's doing.

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>tfw this will never be a proper vehicle

>>54072653
Haven is clearly better than a Wastes and it's better than enough utility lands to justify. Ugin is incredibly powerful and I've used Haven to recur him before after casting him once and using his - ability.

Sanctum is amazing all around.

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JUUUUUDGE!

Can this card be used in a colorless deck even though it has a visible black mana symbol?

>>54072790
Reminder text does not count.

Extort is the obvious example of this.

>>54072790
yes. reminder text does not get included color identity
similar to Extort

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>>54072790
Yes, it isn't part of its identity. Same goes for Charmed Pendant.

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>>54070049

TQ; Me Hit Big.

>>54070150
One of the best natural order targets in prossh, you can even fucking berserk him and then just regenerate him

>>54070938
Sooooooooo.... Razaketh's tutelage?

>>54070049
Hanna
Damia
Glissa, the Traitor
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Oona
Dralnu
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Isperia, Supreme Judge
Titania
Meren
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa

Which one to make next? More in terms of interesting/fun to play, not "best waifu",

>>54072989
Drana. You need to take a break from U/G.

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>yo these cards are unique as fuck and edh babbies would love them as commanders, should we make them legendary
>nah

wotc

just fuck you

>>54073287

>WoTC
>Caring about EDH
>In 2006

What the fuck are you smoking

>>54073287
Just ask your group if you can run them. Or if you play with randoms at a gamestore build one anyway and ask if you can play with it.

Witch-Maw best neph

>>54073362
i don't believe in that sort of slippery slope house rule bullshit

they should just reprint them as legendaries. change the name but that's it. write an apology in the flavor text

>>54073323
it's usually better when they don't care.

when they don't care, we get interesting and cute commanders like kambal, grimgrin and lazav

when they do care, we get shit like oloro, prosh, jeleva, derevi, and dumb edh pandering bullshit cards like expropriate

>>54073553
>shit like Jeleva
Hey don't shit talk my spellslinger cardfu

>>54073578
play bolas instead you fucking philistine

>>54073553

>"These creatures should have been Legendary! Why didn't WoTC think about what the commander players want"
>*One post later*
>"It's usually better when WoTC doesn't care about Commander"

????????????????

>>54073553
You are a fool if you think grimgrin and especially Lazav werent made for commander

>>54072944
That would've been a correct name

>>54072827
Man, i would charm the fuck out of that pendant's pendants

>>54073287
They're commonly allowed, just ask people that you play with.

Ever since Commander 2016 there are other ways to play those color combos but I would absolutely still play with nephilim. I've got a deck for Glint-Eye myself.

>>54073611
i guess i do want them to care, i just want them to be competent about it

>>54073663
it's different when they print cards in sets for other formats. in something like gatecrash, they couldn't just go full retard and print a really strong card with no drawbacks. they might have been thinking about EDH when they printed the card, but it's still not specifically made to sell packs to EDH players

however commander sets let them go full retard with their card designs, so you get stuff like prosh, oloro and jeleva which are just dumb, ez-mode cookie cutter commanders for people who just want the easiest way to win casual games with their 99 cards of mismashed unoptimized jank

>>54073598
Bolas doesn't let me cast mine and steal others' instants and sorceries for free

>>54073598
>play bad cards so I at least have a chance :(
yeh naw cunt

>>54073782
They can do that because edh is an eternal format. When they make carss for edh sets, they dont need to concern themselves with having it be balanced in standard. Most would consider that a GOOD thing. Id say its a bigger issue that they dont tend to take advantage of that as much as they did the first two commander sets.

>>54073846
you're wrong

every retarded 2013 commander set commander they print, they make 2 others obsolete in comparison

there's no reason to build anything in jund other than prosh now, no matter what kind of deck you're building

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>>54073882
There is a great reason.

>I don't want to run prosh.


Would you look at that.

>>54073782
>people who just want the easiest way to win casual games with their 99 cards of mismashed unoptimized jank
Those people don't play Oloro or Prossh (srsly stop picking on Jeleva is it because of storm cEDH? She's not central to the archetype) on my experience. They would play Sedris, or Sen Triplets.

>>54073782
Prossh is fine, Food Chain is the main problem.
Jeleva isn't even good, she's only "competitive" because Grixis is the a good storm color combo and she helps facilitate that.
And Oloro is just annoying, but not the biggest problem with the format.

People always want to bitch about powerful commanders. Back in 2010, Rafiq, Scion, and Zur being the boogeymen of the format, and none of those were designed for EDH.

>>54073598

>"If you want to play Grixis you HAVE to play this dumb, do-nothing dragon that will maybe accomplish something every one out of 20 games and if you don't then you're having BADWRONGFUN!"

inb4 "Muh flavor"

>>54073882
Jund just doesn't have other viable commanders. That's not Prossh's fault.

>>54074014
Adun, Kresh and Sek'Kuar seem very viable to me. Not as retardedly powerful as Prossh, but very much playable.

>>54073882
If i wanted dragon tribal, i would not build prosh. If youre looking through the lens of making the absolute best decks instead of stupid shit like dragon tribal, there will always be extremely narrow choices because you should only choose the best and that isnt prosshs fault. Jeleva isnt even that good, its her colors that are useful. The only reason you play het over, say Golza Zar is because her ability might actually be useful once in a blue moon at high level play.

>>54073959
i never said they were explicitly strong, they were just made to be boring and easy commanders for casual edh. no one is going "wow check out my really spicy oloro brew" or "wow my meren deck is SO unique" because both of those commanders just give you free value at almost no cost, and they slot in just fine to just about any deck in their colors

meanwhile, building something like grimgrin actually forces you to think a bit. what's the best ratio of creatures to sac? do you need other sac outlets? should you run reanimation or just tokens? should you run zombie tribal effects? is it worth putting grimgrin at the helm of a UB goodstuff deck? and so on. it takes actual work to make someone like grimgrin to work, and it's all the more satisfying when it does.

>>54074038
>Adun
>Good

At least take the trip off if your going to troll, it's less obvious that way.

>>54073882
>there's no reason to build anything in jund other than prosh now, no matter what kind of deck you're building
>Kresh
>Shattergang Bro's

I guess what I want to know is, why do you decide to say stupid shit about things you don't understand?

>>54074207
i'm at least 90% sure that almost any shattergang deck or kresh deck will be more powerful and consistent with prosh on the command zone

>>54074238
How is Prossh gonna help with a sac tribal deck? Ok he provides tokens but he doesn't have the artifact/enchant edict effect, which makes Bros a different deck.

>>54074200
Hey it's perfectly doable to build a recurring critters deck with Adun.

>>54074066
This honestly just sounds like a personal problem of yours. You can definitely build fun and interesting Oloro decks, you just have to be a bit creative. When he came out, I used his extort ability with jank like the "Words of X" cards. It was a lot of fun.

>>54074200
>Adun
>bad
come now...

>>54074038
They're fine, but compare Jund to the other shards, and you'll see that it's clearly the one lacking in options.

>>54074264
Prosh ia a free sa putlet. Bad ezample. Depends on whaf exactly you want to do thst. If you werent going full spike I could see play sekkuar if you were more into making tokens and saccng was just a way to use them, whereas if i cared about aacrifice id probably still play prossh. He does xover a lot of bases by being a token dude and sac but there are reason to play other jund commanders if you arent only out for the best, and if you are you wouldnt be playing fucking grimgrin so the issue is moot.

>>54074264
>How is prosh going to help a sac tribal deck?
>No really adun oakenshield is really good

Seriously man, take off the trip when you troll. I guess you have to defend your position as the third worst tripfag on the board, but come on.

Are you really telling me a free sac outlet that makes a shit ton of tokens isn't good for a sac deck? Fucking hell, he would be good in the 99 for shattergang and kresh, and accomplishes the same theme as a general on his own.

>if it's not the best card ever printed it's absolute trash

>>54074337
Yes.

>>54074337
that's not we are talking about now shut up

>>54074290
In what world is a 6 mana raise dead with summoning sickness good?

He is xira arien tier.

>>54074311
>>54074336
>the point
>your head
How the fuck is Prossh gonna sac ARTIFACTS and ENCHANTMENTS, an interaction exclusive of Shattergang Brothers? Ok he does sac creatures but Jund sac tribal can include other card types as sac fodder and then Bros seems better fitted for the mission.

Also I never said Adun is really good, I said VIABLE. As is you can make a deck that doesn't lose to craw wurm.dek with him because he's cheap CMC-wise and has a relevant ability if you build with it in mind.

>>54074400
If all your going to say is that a card is "viable" in edh, than why even open your mouth? Every card is "viable" in this format. Are you so desperate for attention that you have to tell everyone the obvious? If adun is viable so is chimney imp and storm crow. I am sure you could create some sort of voltron storm crow deck and beat people to death with a 50/50 storm crow if you tried hard enough and played in a weak enough meta.

Is the reason you speak up to say useless shit because you are starved for attention? Is that why you trip?

>>54070049
>BACK FROM THE DEAD EDITION
Now is my time!
I'm fairly new to the format and I'm brewing The Scarab God. I started by using Gatherer to search for zombies, and then added a bunch of Dimir goodstuff. I need to cut it down to 100, but for now is there any good tech I've missed?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-06-17-MdZ-the-scarab-god/
I have Karn and Grim Monolith in there because I already had Training Grounds for Scarab. And please ignore the random Waste Not with one discard card in the deck. My playgroup has a shitton of wheels.

>>54074511
this deck seems eerily similar to the monoblack zombies one i helped with a day ago

my advice to you is to not explicitly build for a zombie tribal. they aren't fun, they aren't cheap, they aren't good. instead, since you're playing scarab god, i'd recommend building a lazav-like group mill and focus on reanimating both your own shit and your opponent's stuff with scarab god

>>54074511
>>54074576
but if you really want to build zombies because of flavor and stuff (which is perfectly good as a reason, however i wouldn't recommend scarab god for that) then you might want to just focus on token generation and the few goodstuff zombies

here's the zombie token i quickly brewed when scarab god was spoiled, maybe look at it for advice, i don't know

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zombo-tokens/

>>54074511
There's too much random zombies, maybe cut down to just lords and play utility creatures to eventually Embalm? Also Heartstone helps making Scarab's ability cheaper too.

>>54074501
There's a whole spectrum of viability in EDH and most people seem to forget that sometimes. And Adun isn't "viable in Craw Wurm meta", you misinterpreted that. With the analogy I meant to say that he isn't so useless that a very low powered deck would beat it. Adun is perfectly playable as a commander in a 75% meta if you make the right card choices, which is the point of the discussion: You don't need to resort to Prossh if you want to play Jund at all times.

If every time any poster wanted to voice an observation about a card or deck you though "Every card is "viable" in this format." no one would ever post in this general. You're resorting to scarecrowing and black on white comparisons. What do you want, a full Adun list? I could try and type up one as soon as I'm home, it would spark up more discussion.

and Chimney Imp is good in Shirei

>>54074385
regrowing is stronger than draw a card in the right deck

>>54074677
And it's also much weaker against the wrong deck. Any graveyard hate makes xira better.

Not that either are good.

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Best thing about Edh is getting to play fun powerful cards like this

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So after playing my Hapatra deck a few times one guy started bitching about it using infinite combo's to win.
I'm a beginner at edh, so I didn't really make the deck with that in mind, I just found them while playing. I don't think the deck is even that good, 75% of it is shit I had lying around.
It's also quite obvious that everyone at the table should remove Hapatra asap, so that's on them. If I have Hapatra out and I'm able to cast cutthroat + blowfly infestation, tough shit.
It's just one guy that's being a dick, maybe I should call him out on the fact that he plays Krenko. Either he wins by turn 6, or bricks.
Anyway, should I remove the infinites? Blowfly infestation is kind of a major crux of the deck

>>54074881
>complaining about infinite combos
>in EDH

>>54074881
Fuck him, a three card combo of cards that are individually great fits in the deck is fair.

Krenko is more linear than what you're playing and he's just bitching because he lost.

>>54074674
>Adun is perfectly playable as a commander in a 75% meta
>75% meta

What does this even mean? "Viable in a 75% meta" is a nonsense phrase because it has no real qualitative data. I could easily build a brago stax deck, use it to lock down or remove everything my opponents have and swing in with storm crow for the win.

Does that mean that storm crow is viable in "75% metas"?

Like I said, it's edh. Everything is viable. You can only really get into a conversation about what's not viable when you are speaking about higher tiers of competitive play.

That being said, you can talk about what's good and what's not, and you can make it have meaning by comparing to existing cards. By this metric you can safely say that adun and storm crow aren't good.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand this, because as far as trips go you are dumb as hell and I have never seen you contribute anything of value.

>>54074881

Tell him to get fucked

>>54070269
A S T R A L S L I D E

Shit is so fun.

>>54074881
Keep them.

>>54074881
It is not an EDH Deck if it can't make a broken combo and kill the board.

>>54074881

>Really wanna build Hapatra
>3 out of 4 of my EDH decks are already Golgari

Even thought she would be essentially nothing like my other B/G decks (Meren, Nath and Sapling of Colfenor) I still feel like it's essentially conceding to my own lack of creativity.

And the thought of buying the same mana-base for the fourth time gives me an aneurysm.

>>54075424
Use the same sleeves for all four decks.

Then you can swap them in and out as you please.

>>54074606
This is exactly why I posted. Thanks for the link! Lots of good stuff I didn't consider in here.
I can't believe I forgot Bident of Thassa!
>>54074674
It started out with less zombies but I played a few hands of solitaire and I felt like I didn't have enough token generators to make the lords worth it. However, many of those zombies aren't gonna make it to the final iteration. I mean I need to cut like 50 cards by this point!

Looking for a finisher for my Esper control deck. Not looking to combo out so that basically leaves me with direct damage spells or creatures. Blightsteel Colossus a decent idea or is it too slow/easily killed? I really don't know what to put in there. I've been using Sphinx of the Steel Wind or Wurmcoil Engine and they usually work but I would prefer a tough creature with some kind of hexproof or indestructibility.

Sphinx of the Final Word?

>>54075956
Serra ascendant+aetherflux

>>54076162
Serra's nice and all but late in the game when I'm ready to close in I can afford a more costly creature with some resilience. Not really interested in using aetherflux or combos, kinda boring way to win

>>54075424

Embrace it, dude! You've got a favorite color pair, and you've got a great selection of commanders in that pair. >>54075446 has the right idea. You could essentially make a box with 4 Golgari commanders, their tools, and a rotating mana base.

There's nothing wrong with having favorites.

>>54075956
What commander are you using? Just throw in Steel of the Godhead or some swords of X and Y and swing in.

>>54076201
>nobody plays stifle effects in his meta
thats a completely reasonable reason not to play aetherflux

Hey guys can you give me your thoughts on my first EDH deck? I'm about to go play a few games so I can add some input on how the current version works.

I just got back into MTG after taking a few years off. My plan is to stick to EDH and limited until I finish college.

This was made with stuff I already owned and a few things I picked up for cheap. I plan on picking up new stuff like better lands in the future. So let me know what cards I should look to adding to the deck. I might try out infinite combos in the future.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/value-village-3/

>>54075956
Blightsteel or either Ulamog will do the job if you just wanna kill fools. I prefer original Ulamog because it's pretty tough to recover from even a single swing. Jin Gitaxias and Consecrated Sphinx will both draw you enough cards that you'd be hard pressed to lose, but they're pretty fragile comparatively. Akroma, Iona, and Avacyn are all resilient in their own way and make pretty good beatsticks if you're in charge of the game. Also consider maybe some of the Sword of X and Y cycle, I've found them to be reasonable ways to finish people off in the right deck.

>>54074881
Tell him you will take them out if he stops playing krenko. :^)

>>54076279
I tend to switch between Triplets and Oloro

>>54076320
Consecrated has been responsible for a few wins already. I end up with a hand full of answers but then use some pretty mediocre beaters to finis them slowly.

Swords on the commander himself sounds alright but it means I have to tutor for them

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/samurai-senpai/

could i get some feedback on what to tweak with this deck. I wanted to do cool Samurai tribal but every time I go to a shop I get decimated by dorks and their infinite token creating/counter spelling/board wiping bullshit.

>>54076309
Just from a curve standpoint, I'd shift a bit away from 2 drops and include more 3 drops since I'm assuming you'll be casting Thrasios turn 2.

>>54075956
Blightsteel is one of two ways:
>instant game-winning presence people hate more than anything
or
>instantly exiled, despite the insane combo required to set him up.

The best part about blightsteel is cloning him a bunch and instantly killing the table, but you wont be able to get haste on him unless you're incredibly lucky, particularly in esper, so you need to be counterspell backed if you're going to drop him.

Now, for artifact creatures, I like Inkwell Leviathan and Magister Sphinx, they're both ungodly powerful the second they come out and need to be answered quickly. Darksteel Colossus is blightsteel's brother with 1 cheaper CMC and no trample, though that's entirely up to you if you want to run it, particularly since it's less effective but gets less hate. Mycosynth Golem is awesome if you're planning on actually using creatures, because it'll often be very cost-effective and it'll let you play other things in your hand. Enigma Sphinx is also pretty neat because it cascades for 7, but the 3rd from the top clause after it dies is kind of... interesting. Memnarch is the man, always. Myr-battle sphere is backbreaking if you can flicker it, like I do in brago. Gemini Engine is really nifty if you can pump it, but esper control isn't fantastic at that. Steel hellkite is usually the go-to for just about anyone in any deck, but it might get you a lot of hate for running it. Silent arbiter is also a giant dick, particularly if you're running blightsteel.

>>54076388
>tutor for them
You're in the right colors, between Trophy Mage, Enlightened Tutor, Fabricate, Whir of Invention, Stoneforge, and of course all the normal black tutors.

>playing a duel with Magic Online 1v1 rules
>Leovold player can't handle my Daretti
>complains that Daretti should be banned and that Wildfire/Jokulhaups/Burning of Xinye are unfair cards
>finish both games by Spine of Ish Sah-ing his lands over and over
I felt sort of bad but then again... was playing against Leovold.

On a related note, have other paper players tried out the Magic Online duel rules? I absolutely love them. They seem better than French commander for 1v1, and it's easier to get people to play with them since it's official rules.

>>54076476
True and I'm running a few tutors. I guess what I really want is a powerful creature that's tough to remove and that doesn't need anything else to close out a game.

>>54076459
There isn't too much exiling in my meta but it won't take long for them to catch on. Even with Swan Song I'll need 13 mana just to get him on the table before he can do anything. It's why I'm looking for an alternative.

Some of those are definitely interesting but might take some time to finish games if they're 4/x?

>>54076607
Well, Magister Sphinx is mandatory. Nuking your opponent's life is too good to ignore, and I'd also run tree of perdition if you can, because they're both fantastic together in multiplayer games. Inkwell Leviathan is a big stick that has island walk, and a lot of the decks you're going to want to beat down will run blue. Steel Hellkite is amazing if you're running a lot of rocks, because you can activate it's ability multiple times to clear the board, and zero cost things will instantly be destroyed. Those are probably your best bets out of what's listed just on their own.

A lot of the other things require particular set ups to be effective, and are less good in a vacuum. For example, Memnarch is disgusting if you have a glut of blue mana and/or sculpting steel, though I'm sure your familiar with it and Myr Battlesphere will alpha strike someone after flickering it 5 or 6 times, WITHOUT dealing combat damage. Gemini Engine is a bit more niche, more gruul/golgari, but it's fairly effective at what it does none the less.

As for blightsteel, cheat it out. If you're hardcasting it, you're doing it wrong. Kuldotha Forgemaster is usually the go-to card for cheating him out, but there are a ton of ways to get him on the field early. Mass polymorph is rather nifty if you run a lot of weenies because you can scoop them up, shit out a bunch of fatties from your deck, and cackle maniacally when your opponent doesn't understand what just hit them.

Now, if you want non-artifact game winners in esper colours, I'm particularly fond of Jin "the chin" Jan "the man" Gitaxias, depending on your control setup. Geth is also pretty powerful on his own if you manage to mill your opponent's goodstuff, and Havengul Lich is hilariously strong for what it does.

>>54076607
I mean you could use master transmuter to cheat him out turn 5.

>>54076820
Damn good ideas, thanks. I've definitely got to make some changes. I can control the board and win but closing takes too long and with a little luck opponents will be able to prolong the game by stopping what should have been my last moves. And yeah, hardcasting Blightsteel is a bitch.

Steel Hellkite got me all excited but it can only be activated once.

>>54076905
Fuck, sorry about the hellkite, I totally forgot it has that clause.

How does your control setup work? What do you try to do and how do you do it?

What's a good budget Commander to play in a semi competitive meta? People aren't throwing down Imperial seals and and the like but they still run pretty hard core decks like an Animar and karador.

I like pretty much any play style that isn't pillowfort or group hug and a deck that could build into other decks would be great, my budget is about $200 but I would prefer to only stay at around $150

>>54077471
With Animar and Karador you're not going to have much luck with Ruric Thar, which is what I usually recommend for friends on a budget, but you might get some use out of Lavinia of the Tenth, Brago, or Grand Arbiter Augustin IV. Maybe finding pieces that will work with all three.

>>54077471
Imperial seals price is so damn unjustified tho.

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How the fuck do you build this guy

Is it just mass bedlam?

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>>54070049
>What card describes you best as a deckbuilder and why?
This right here. I love weird interactions and ETB triggers, and this card is a hell of a drug for my addiction.

Godo in particular loves this card.

>>54077621
I run it as Goblin tribal lantern control.

>>54077615
>only printed for the Asia/Pacific market
>mostly printed in Japanese/Chinese
>not even tournament legal at time of printing
Wow, really rare cards are expensive?

>>54077653
Run it in Kokusho. Fucking hilarious.

>>54071155
I like to take official tokens and cut out the art, then put in my unofficial art.

Like C3PO + R2D2 servo tokens, and such.

Anyone have good suggestions for vampires, dragons, angels, and myr?

Challenge mode: no anime.

>>54077743
The Count for Vampires.

>>54077734
Wait... that works? I thought legend rule was a state-based effect and not technically "dying"

>>54077717
I'm aware that it is rare, but it's just a worse vampiric tutor that's why I'm saying unjustified. The only reason it's expensive is because of it's rarity which could be changed but nope.

Maybe I should be clearer or something, sorry.

>>54077781
704.5k. If a player controls two or more legendary permanents with the same name, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners' graveyards.

>>54077471
Purphoros?

>>54077621
Just Goblins that you can make unblockable with stuff like Break Through The Line.

Also lots of fucking mana rocks. Those stolen spells ain't gonna cast themselves.

>>54077789
Yeah, but "a worse Vampiric Tutor" isn't a bad card. Imperial Seal is still a great card, and add in that it's incredibly rare and it becomes very expensive.

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Ok guys give me your opinions

Do I build my dimir reanimator into

Esper reanimator
>spicy
>somewhat unique
>shit commanders available in colors
>janky as fuck for some reason
>wins by casting gift of immortality on yosei or durdles for 12 turns and does nothing
>sometimes fun when it works

Sultai reanimator
>lmfao
>ayyyyy just tutor up every creature in your deck for free, put them on the battlefield while you're at it
>ramp a billion mana because green xd
>reanimate terastodon gg no remach
>FUCK YOU WOTC
>actual commanders available, including an oversized damia, sage of hours at 20 cents
>can technically just sit back and pretend my deck is janky until someone starts being a shithead, then blow up their lands and kill myself for playing sultai
>fun only ironically
>will go to hell for playing sultai

i'm a little torn desu

Play Ertai the Corrupted as your esper commander; you're reanimating your creatures anyway, so you can sac them to counter a spell, then bring them back from the bin for your ETB value!

>>54077868
Grixis. Play Sedris.

>>54077911
IT DOESN'T WORK IT'S TOO JANKY AAAAAAAA

>>54077927
i need either white or green for my deck, there's a dude who abuses lands and other noncreatures too much and i need to shit up his bullshit

>>54077868
You should turn it into a trash pile and build Hidetsugu instead

>>54077948
Thrasios+Tymna Buried Alive.

>>54077868
Sultai and include the earthcraft + squirrel nest combo to kill everyone with fucking squirrels.

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>>54077976
I actually like this answer more than my own.

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what can i turn my brago stax deck into
it's too mean
i have a finished mana base

How viable is Tajic for a Boros token deck?

>>54078086
Lavinia of the Tenth Voltron.

>>54077557
Lavina sounds interesting and in some neat colors. I'm actually surprised that green X commanders are so pricey, I like greens ramp and seeming consistency

But WU is good right?

>>54078103
I had a lot more success when I played Iroas than Tajic. Being able to swing with the tokens and not worrying about them dying was a huge benefit. He also enables Tajic really well, as he's either unblockable or murdering two dudes.

>>54078086
ephara

it'll draw less aggro and you can still run blink value shenanigans

>>54078128
It is. WUx is the color of Stax (GAAIV, Brago, Derevi, even Angus Mackenzie). You might also try creature heavy decks. Edric, Yisan.

>>54077868
BUG is boring ez modo

anyone have that comic with the dude looking for a competitive format?

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>>54078627
This one?

>>54077806
>As the Legend rule is a state-based action, the choice of which Legendary permanent will be kept will be made before the ETB triggered abilities are put on the stack and resolve.

>>54073287
Ink-Treader is immensely busted as a general, to the point where if you resolve it with untapped mana you probably win the game.

>>54078715
And? The Kokusho copies will still die (and cease to exist), while the Godo copies will be marked as on their way to the graveyard and then have their ETBs resolve.

>>54077653
This is my super secret tech in Gonti.

That and Erratic Portal.

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>tfw barely any good robit commanders
>only disgusting eldrazi

>>54078964
Karn, Bosh, and Memnarch.

>>54078964
Karn is concentrated whup-ass

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>>54077868
>wants opinions on Dimir/Esper builds
>posts Gruul Mascot

Am I the only one who hates how fucking know it all some EDH players can get? I faced a jackass today that kept talking this lame trash about how he intentionally makes weaker decks because he wants to play the game and how he didn't bring his good deck because it was too mean. Kept talking shit about being able to make a $20 Niv Dracogenius deck that could win turn 3 or how he enjoyed his Tristani deck because no one brings enchantment hate in EDH.

Anyone else ever deal with fuckers like this?

>>54079151
Git gud

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Would you play it?

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>>54079270

>>54079270
Go home, robo Rosewater. You're drunk.

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Did you fa/tg/uys get any new toys in the mail?

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>>54079310
Custom playmat.

>>54079310
No. I've got too much shit already.

But fuck I really want to build Hidetsugu

>>54079325
I thought that was just an image macro and was about to ask for a pic, but then I looked closer.
Neat.

>>54079151
Most people who play this game are either saltmines or have a superiority complex sadly.

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>>54079299
roborosewater is amazing

>>54079535
>Restroy

>>54076393
If you don't like those 3 things, your not going to like edh

>>54079607
>brocking

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>>54079535
It makes some surprisingly interesting cards every so often. It's been a while since I read that twitter, but this is one of my favorite custom cards even if it's slightly overcosted: 1cmc feels about right.

"Exgo the Rickers" is still my favorite card name it made. Too bad Horshers is a nonsensical ability.

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>>54079535
>Bed or blocking or blocking or brocking

>>54079310
Waiting on animate dead and a foil mark of the oni

>>54076968
>>54076968
There are no hard locks or anything, it's just a lot of removal, board wipes, draw, and counters. I make the game go long so by the time I'm ready to do some damage my opponents are often out of gas. They've used up and lost most of their cards and are either top decking or very low on resources. Their commanders have shown up and been killed a few times so they're prohibitively expensive to cast. I have a few discard spells like Mind Shatter/Twist to help make sure they can't really put up a fight later.

Once I'm in that position with a lot of cards in hand and a clear board, I move in. Just need something to finish the job more quickly and reliably. Using my Commander can work but it'd take a while and they have no built in protection. A Path to Exile or Pongify is all it'll take to set me back a few times and let them try to topdeck some answers, assuming I don't have multiple counters in hand. But a hexproof or indestructible creature to seal the deal would probably be a lot more useful

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Okay so how do I make a deck that makes this commander work?

>>54080226
Make a deck you like to lose with.

>>54070252
how is that only 1 mana and how is that an uncommon?

>>54080226
It's only meant for standard burn decks?

>>54080226
make a less consistent version of a kozilek deck and pretend someone tucked your commander

>>54080243
>>54080287
>>54080300
Damn you guys are killing me here. I love the art of the thing.

>>54080320
i saw someone on here a few days ago talk about houseruling the amonkhet gods having partner, maybe talk to your group about that

>>54080320
Try to convince your opponents to let you skip your draw step.

>>54080320
You gotta go Spellshaper Tribal with Grafted Skullcap, Avaricious Dragon, Key to the City, artifact sac/return, Pyrohemia, Braid of Fire, Sulfuric Vortex, Madness, etc.

>>54080226
>>54080399
and Null Broach, don't forget Null Broach

>>54080422

Brooch **

>>54080469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Zf9_7LA7c

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>>54080364
Play contentious lizard.

>>54080226
I made one that uses Worldslayer and MLD, get her out, with enough artifact ramp, destroy lands, and dig till you get world slayer. It wins more often than it loses, even with people knowing what it does. That's the only way I've found to make her work.

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>>54080711
>tfw you realize its sitting on its master's shoulders and not a rock

>>54080772
How do you keep attacking after you clear the board and then start drawing cards you can't cast?

>>54080821
i'm assuming the game plan is "hope they're lands"

it sounds like a bad version of an avacyn deck

>>54080821
pyromancer's swath

>>54080879
You mean that card that was either destroyed by Worldslayer or that you can't cast because all your lands were destroyed (by Worldslayer, in case you forget again)?

>>54080904
I'm assuming you don't go full retard and use worldslayer as your MLD

>>54080969
Please follow the whole conversation before replying then.

Must have lands for the Locust God? High Market, Desolate Lighthouse, Geier Reach Sanitarium, Reliquary Tower, what else?

>>54081043
Please take your own advice. OP didn't say Worldslayer was the sole means for achieving the lock.

>>54081203
Fuck you and your weak God. Instead, what are must have lands for Scorpion God decks?

>>54081212

The scorpion God is pretty good against the locust god lol, too bad the scorpion God isn't very good in general

>>54081255
You know nothing fool, just imagine the wither and persist synergies, and Black Sun is now also Blue Sun.

>>54081369
>reverberate your Big Black Sun with Nest of Scarabs out

>>54079535
every part of this is fantastic

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>the last player in my playgroup that didn't already have gaddock teeg, including myself, just finished building it
help me

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>>54079654
That used to be a blue effect
Ask brago players
>>54080226
1v1 with the online ban list I've actually had a few loses against pure agro red with that guy as the commander
Pic related and slate of ancestry do a lot of work
Also you are going to want to play rituals

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>>54070049
>Thread Question:

Honestly, has to be these guys. Sheoldred or Elesh Norn seem to be the more popular though.

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Okay, dilemma here. I want to make a deck with angels but not avacynboardwipe.dec more of a tribal-esque angels. Any ideas on a good basis so I don't get pooped on. Was thinking using asura of war as the commander, or mono white bruna (to snatch Gisela from GY to meld?) but I'm open to suggestions. Meta is semi competitive. Sitting at everyone has mana crypt, but before infinite combo city. (Except out maelstrom wanderer guy, fuck that guy)

>>54081574
bruna tfl ramp/reanimator

>>54081574
I've had a guy do Red/White Angels with Aurelia or Gisela on his preference. It was okay. It did pack plenty of boardwipes in form of Earthquake effects.

Hey guys what are some good land choices for 2 color decks? besides fetches, shocks, check lands, painlands, fast lands , and scary lands? I already have those in plus things like evolving wilds, terramorphic expanse, command tower, etc. but I still think I could vary out my lands more since the rest are all basics. They don't even have to be certain colors and could just be colorless utility stuff. I tried looking for a List of utilities and the lists were all really old and I feel like there could be newer tech.
my commanders in looking for stuff for are nin, brion, and Olivia

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Has anyone had experience with pic related? Can she be a decent enough Boros Commander in a semi-casual environment?

Alternative question: is RW Gisela better than her?

>>54080254
It's from the same era where lightning bolt was a common. Wizards wasn't afraid to print good cards, now they're too worried about "limited and standard environments" to print anything useful at lower than rare.

>>54081640
Take mind to how many colorless you run. In the case of Nin, you don't want to oversaturate your land count to colorless. Stick with 2 or 3 at most.

Also keep in mind of tap lands. Can you deck afford to slow down a turn? If not, try to limit yourself of tap lands to around 4 or 5. Go for taplands that naturally produce mana rather than stuff like Vivids (for more colored decks).

Tfl?

Do you guys mind helping me make this deck more in line with my budget? Lookign to get into my local semi-competitive scene and this seemed more fun than the normal "burn everyone with purph" decks

>>54082074
sick forgetting the link like a retard
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kaseto-budget-1/

>>54081574
Wait a month on the new Commander product. It's garuanteed to have an angel deck.

>exclusively play commander because I like the format
>only draft sometimes
>have to play with a group that only does Standard (I think?)

What do I do? Are any of my skills applicable?

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>>54082168
Sorry man, standard has absolutely nothing in common with a similar format of the same card game. Consider giving up.

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Alright EDH general what are some underrated enchantments you lot like in Mardu colours. I'm working on a Stax//Enchantress Queen Marchesa deck and wanna see if there are any hidden gems.

>>54082132
Very good idea!!

>>54081210
Yeah, and if the answer to one of those questions is obvious, why would you assume that was the question being asked? I was asking about what he actually plans to do after using Worldslayer, because that's the scenario that would prompt the question.

>>54081663
Shes fun with batterskull and basilisk collar.

For those of you who've built around the non-tribal WUBRG commanders (e.g. Progenitus, Child of Alara, Cromat), what did your deck end up doing?

>>54079310
Waiting on a Grave Pact for Mazirek.

>>54079310
Wow, Nova Cleric foil is beautiful. I'm going to buy one now too.

>>54080226
Uba Mask

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>>54080786
It's Grim Lavamancer's buddy :3

>>54084436
That's adorable.

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>>54082596
I always have trouble ramping in those colors; Oath of Lieges ensures you never fall behind, but everyone will be on equal footing.

>>54077868
sultai my man

>>54082596
>>54084828
Oh, sorry, I missed the "stax" part. How about:
Martyr's Bond
Tainted Aether
Lethal Vapors

>>54075819
>I felt like I didn't have enough token generators to make the lords worth it
You have Scarab at all times, remember that. That's why I think a handful of lords and a Lazav-like everybody mills package would be nice. Unless of course everyone in your meta plays almost no creatures.

>>54083755
There used to be an anon around here with a Cromat spellslinger with all fuse/split cards, charms and multicolor spells suport.

I used to have a Child of Alara when dies/sac themed deck. It never took off because 5c manabases are giant clusterfucks.

>tripfag can't afford good lands
heh

>>54080226
uh,,, mono R madness?
this card is garbage in EDH bro

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>>54080226
Pic related, Worldslayer, etc.

She will never be good but you can make an impact if you focus on kneecapping your rivals. Her best wincon is Voltron, and ideally you make the board so fucking toxic that nothing else can stick. Managing to keep your hand ditched is important, and doing it while also getting good value is how to win.

Best of luck, you'll need it.

>>54079310
got a shipment of 30 new cards to finish off my karrthus but they still haven't arrived
gettin' worried

>>54085524
>Worldslayer

Still haven't seen a good follow-up plan for Hazoret and Worldslayer. There's a pretty significant chance she ends up becoming useless in a couple turns.

secret spicy tech for experiment kraj?

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>>54079123
ya i know it was the first image i saw in my folder

in fact i was the guy who started the dumb meme

anyway i'm just about ready to kill myself with these fucking reanimator brews

>reanimation spells
>looting spells
>big creatures

literally "pick two" almost always

this brew is causing me a brain aneurysm. why can't it just work. i think i almost want to cut looters out entirely and just focus on cheating creatures straight into play from my hand or build my deck for hardcasting them. god fucking damnit

>>54085672
Yeah that's a terrible play.

Uba Mask, Omen Machine and Possesed Portal are the best things you can play with him as your general because you aren't hurt nearly as bad. Those artifacts are pretty good in mono red normally and synergize with Hazoret even more. It's definitely janky though.

>>54071701
this is going in prosh.

Never came to /tg/ to discuss Magic before, what's DS?

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>>54085809
>frogposter boasting about starting the spongegar meme

>>54086066
What?

>>54086080
whoosp that was supposed to go in the modern thread. it's death's shadow

>>54070252
Is this card good or will it bring lots of hate??

>>54086130
>>54086130
>>54086130

New thread

>>54086112
In my opinion it's actually a waste of a cardslot.

>>54071383
I literally is.

If you're playing tutor you should be playing this instead.

>>54081663
well I mean Boros is Boros so being competitive at all is going to be tough.

Some pros and cons for flip avacyn
pro:
indestructible on a stick
flash
decent body
saves you from most boardwipes
can be repeated even if she dies for just a few extra mana each time.

cons
surprisingly bad for angel tribal whether or not she's the commander.
depending on how you want your deck to be (i.e voltron, creature swarm, etc) other commanders do it better.
her flip effect doesn't kill most things in edh by the time you'd probably flip her so it's kind of useless. not totally useless but for the most part you won't get too much value for it

>>54085849
Omen machine is such an underrated card imo
In boros goodstuff just windmill slam down bomb after bomb while your blue and black fellows across the table topdeck draw and counterspells

Such an unassuming yet brutal card

>>54086556
Damage doublers combo nicely with her imo

Swinging into the red for 12 commander damage in the air is no joke and dropping a 6 damage board wipe is pretty slick too.

>>54081369

Okay so he has 1 or 2 decent combos