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This is what I have with my contemptor in the list.

I am pretty new, so any tips on what to add here is appreciated.

Also, representing VII legion

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THREADLY REMINDER

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What happened to the love affair Forge World had with Imperial Guard? It feels like the guard hasn't gotten anything new in years.

>>54061324
I could definitely see it. Those are some insane efficiencies versus vehicles.

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>>54061297
Hail fellow loyal marine, it sure is a great day to spread the justice of the empera.

>>54061341
This totally appeals to my 100% normie lifestyle.

>>54061346
I'm ordering a vanquisher version of that right now.(to use as a normal version because short barrellets can fuck off)
god it looks so lovely

>>54061367
>dislocated shoulder

>>54061359
I ran Crusaders, DCA, Arocs and Bullgryn. I thought they would be fun units. Turns out each one was an unstoppable death machine. People will immediately catch on in my store the more they play me. I'm the only one doing Inquisition and Ministorum units at the moment.

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Anybody got the download for the new Perturabo book?

>>54061341
I have played 8th edition for the past month at least twice a week
I have yet to use points

>>54061367
Good day to you loyalist.
Enjoying the glory of the emperor?

>>54061396
What is it called sir

>>54061383
Nope, I have another shoulderpad on the other shoulder hiding the A, it has a V on it.

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>>54061346
>What happened to the love affair Forge World had with Imperial Guard?

The Horus Heresy happened

>>54061410

Perty: Hammer of Olympia

>>54061391
You definitely have a sweet thing going with that setup. I would not have expected these units to be half this killy; if your opponent underestimates you and lets you in range to unload your firepower, they're in for a bad time.

>>54061412
The worst thing that ever happened to Forge World.

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This was written in regards to a nightlords poster offended by the rievers.

What could this mean

>>54061396
I'd be curious if anyone has the Magnus one
HH 44

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This look acceptable for a Tabletop standard ork?
AKA I've got 60 of these little fucks to paint and I'm being lazy

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>>54061407
Oi, I need youz boyz to go collect scrap n gubbins so'ze I can finnish buildin dis ere deff ray fer da empra. Now go get me da junk.

Holy crap that Arbites collection went for $378.

>>54061219
For your needs:

Keep in mind,
Sisters are a fun army to play but you aren't buying into a "fair" army to play. You'll be losing a lot especially against mechanized.

Your gear options you described are GREAT for anti-infantry. 4 storm bolts is 8 shots, 16 double tap. Using the acts of faith and shooting twice in your turn for a squad with 4 (dominions) + the rest of the squad double tapping twice. Situational I know, but on the defense it is insanely good. Or offense if you can close distance. Just hope you have cover + can gun down melee before they melee you.

Closing the distance won't be hard - 3 immolators means 3, 5 sister squads can get in while you get into melta-range. It also means your 5 sisters have to get out and not die horribly... so they will need to be carefully used in this manner.

3 Immolators are great. Make sure you have all the bits or they come with melta, I can't re-emphasize this enough.

$200 is pushing it. $80 a squad new, and on ebay right now i see several auctions at ~$40-50 for 10 or so used (and easy to strip - all metal.)

So to get your 30 bodies on ebay you'll spend at least $120-150 or so. Flamers and storm bolters are not rare at all.

The immolators go for ~$60 depending on how well they are painted etc. $40 NIB but they are out of stock so ebay prices are high. So you get 3 of those? That's another ~$120 if you got NIB from GW. ~$150 if you got from ebay, or more.

TLDR: Your sisters are worth $360 NIB - and on ebay probably about $300, maybe much less if you find cheaper immolators.

Would I pay $200 for that? Depends heavily on how the immolators are, what the paint job is like, and so forth. It isn't a rip-off (as much as I can say that about over priced sister stuff) - but you could find better deals if you really tried.

I say go for it, if you like it you can enjoy it, if not, you can sell on ebay and get most your $ back.

>>54061443
From afar? Fine, but you'll want to clean those mould lines in the future.

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This Inquisitor has arrived to investigate you for heresy, what do you do?

>>54061434
The catch is that the Magnus one is also about Perty and his IW, not really about the TS

I bought a Knight a few months ago after splitting a cheap Renegade box on eBay with a friend. I wanted to run it with my GK in 1850(7th), well now in 8th that seems impossible because it ends up being 1/4th of a 2k list on an already low model count army. I was considering selling it because it's NoS(I saved it for the back of my backlog), but not sure yet. Any hope of fitting one in there? I don't have any other Imperial Armies.

>>54061443
It's unlikely anyone is going to pay careful attention to each individual ork

>>54061471
Yeah I spray painted him years ago, and now that I'm getting back in I'm repainting everything

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Always needing more infantry. And more and more and more. Might as well get creative!

WiP on hold because of family guests on vacation. Need to finish Metallics, red, beaten up, and shades and highlights and bloody wounds, but I feel they're getting go enough to show off.

>>54061431
Me either. I expected them to be decent this edition, decent but fun, more powerful than before. I really did not expect to be bulldozing people. I might have to tone it back some, the past few games were stomps.

>>54061433

Cawl made Rievers out of Night Lords geneseed. He fixed all the heresy and problems and made them better.
Is this not good enough? What more do you spiky marines want?!

>>54061432
>best way to play 40k
>worst thing

>>54061472
Write my will and hit on her

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No idea what I'm doing. Would this be a decent starter list for a brand-new player?

>>54061506
>hit on an underage boy
Calm down John Podesta, isn't there a noose somewhere you should be making friends with?

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>>54061472
Hit on her.

>>54061391

Acolytes are definitely stronk as fuck as well. You can go for shooty or do something crazy like load them up with thunderhammers.

>>54061513
Step one, don't use shitty list builders, get your index and make a list yourself.

>>54061443
no excuse for not drilling the barrels, otherwise its fine for tabletop. id love to play against orks that arent all primer grey

>>54061491
>trader Joe's
Philly?

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This an ok looking all-comers elite marine list?

>>54061367
>>54061407
Greetings to you both from myself and my fellow absolutely-normal-and-not-suspicious-at-all loyal imperial citizens

>>54061472
It's like Paul Dano and Ellen Page fused together.

>>54061469
I'm not really worried about losing, I just really wanted to have a second army besides Necrons and love the metal minis. Thanks for the breakdown, now I can pay money for these models and not feel guilty about it.

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>>54061469
>Sisters loosing to a mech list

kek

Bring more Melta

>>54061491
Those guys start worshipping slaanesh or something? Why are their limbs falling off, and that guy on the left has a fucking prehensile cock holding a knife.

>>54061481
I know Magnus's book featured IW heavily

But I'm talking about the one after he gets his back snapped and he goes insane

>>54061346
they just gave them a whole new set of somewhat broken rules.

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OOE
Not bait or cancer like the last thread.

How many carnifexes do you think you need to field to make him worthwhile?

>>54061527
Yeah they are so good. I'm just got 10 Storm Bolters off of Ebay, but that might be too much. I could use some fun mixing and matching and make them a nice fluffy variety unit.

I just made a Terminator Inquisitor out of the Sigmar free model you get for playing a demo game. I figure it could be fun to deepstrike him with Scions that are his "bodyguard".

>>54061328
bumpin

>>54061578
Don't forget the monkey and the martial artist.

>>54061530
Yeah I do
I don't have a bit drill

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>>54061472
Greetings Lord. I believe that you should know if we were to procreate our superior genes would enrich humanity greatly.

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besides conscripts what are some good guard units I should use nows?

>>54061592
If you're running any carnifexes he's worthwhile.

>>54061576
Babe. Babe. Hold up daddy oh. Puh-leaze, go back and read what our little Sister of Battle-O is wanting to buy. No melta except those dastardly Immolators. We don't even know if they have MMelta, hence my point...

>>54061565
MAKE SURE those Immolators have their bits or multi-meltas. You will regret it if not.

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>>54061410
This one here, Id love to read it

>>54061606
The ones you think are fun.

>>54061606
Executioner Leman Russwith plasma cannon side sponsons.

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NO BULLY OR I CALL DAD!

>>54061616
I will still kek, for Corn cares not from where the keks flow.

>>54061606
Basilisks, Tank Commanders, Pask, Manticores, Master of Ordnance, Scions, Infantry squads, heavy weapon squads with Harker or Yarrick, Bullgryn, Rough Riders.

The only true lacking units for Guard right now are Armored Sentinels and normal Russes. Tank Commander Russes are totally worth the points, as is Pask. They make up for the lack of firepower Russes have no thanks to their sponson and hull guns being BS5+ on the move. 3+ main gun and 4+ sponson/hull guns is great on the TCs. Pask is even better with 2+ and 3+ other guns. He can also give orders to the other Tank Commanders.

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>>54061558
Average human civilan reporting in

>>54061592
>>54061615
I just picked up the two 'fex box and have an old one eye. How should I build the two new ones? Are claws worth it because he effectively cancels out the -1 to hit? Do i bother with guns?

>>54061591
I'm that guy who cares more about new models than new rules.

>>54061553

What does the Chaplain + Assault Termies really get you? The Chad marines and dreads are shooty and then you have a bunch of HtH termies.

Seems like vehicles might be a better investment

>>54061653
You mean your grandpa?

>>54061616
I'll make sure.

>>54061606
The Manticore. Its 2d6 S10 -2 AP d3 damage. Its drawback is it can only shoot 4 times so if that scares you use a Basilisk.

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>>54061661
Woah WOAH WOAH. HOLD UP citizen. Wait right there.

You dropped your fancy knife thing here from your belt.

Here you go. The Emperor Protects, friend.

>>54061469

z has 10 sisters of meh cast quality for $10 if you want to go that route.

FW gave sisters a repressor, which has 1-2 heavy flamers, 6 fire points and can hold a dominion squad which lets it scout move (move+advance) before the first turn. The repressor is probably their best unit.

you can also mix and match all imperium now too, so dropping a retributor squad into any army guarantees it gets to always fire twice, which makes it super strong. stormbolter dominions are decent too.

>>54061661
Hmm...Seems legit!

Here, guard the motor pool for me I gotta take a dump!

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>all the armies I like the look of bore me in game
>all the armies with play styles I like I hate the look and lore of
Death Guard and AdMech are my last 2 hopes

>>54061705
Are the sisters resin or metal? I'm kind of only looking to get metal.

>>54061718
Well which ones do you like the look of, but not the playstyle? Maybe you haven't considered all the options yet.

>>54061600
got a harbor frieght in your town? i got a pinning drill for like 3 bucks and change.

>>54061553

not great vs hordes, really bad vs 14pt drop plasma (elysian, or 16pt scions). terminators are generally garbage tier (not enough attacks).

>>54061680
I deepstrike them to threaten and ideally assault something. Hammernators hit at a -1 so that means 4+, the Chaplain lets them re-roll failed to hit.

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>>54061687
DAD NO GRANDPA! HE DAD!
I BUILD WALL FOR DAD! U WANT SEE WALL??

>>54061718
Do DG. There are a lot of DG models being sold off by people buying the starter (plus the upcoming mini starters no doubt) for a lot cheaper than the marine half.

Also glaze ink ink ink rdy to play

>>54061516
I like thin short haired girls. It just means there's a 50/50 chance I'm talking to a lesbian, not that I'm a pedophile.

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>>54061472
Install nagi into her like like the ethereal instructed me to do.

>>54061592
I think if you run him on his own he's worthwhile. 20 points more than a carnifex with the same loadout and vastly superior in every way you could want.

>>54061578
Subassemblies are fun! :P
>>54061546
Nope! Florida. The State that helps all those other states feed the United States. The visitors are from Philly.
>>54061599
I don't get it? Uh, the guy with the raised hand will make more sense when he's covered in his own blood.

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>>54061752
>Install nagi
???

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Everyone post badass painted Guard armies!

Except anybody with a nickname. You can all fuck right off.

>>54061789
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nagi

>>54061595

It's funny that normal ministorium units are buff as fuck in this edition.

I'm curious to see how Repentias + Mistress + a Friendly Priest stacks up with War Hymns. Too bad SoBs don't get Zealot which would actually fit them perfectly

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>>54061782
>I don't get it?

>>54060995
>DCA
>not Battle Sisters

Look at all that fucking green on our troops. Also, the numbers on the Exo pretty much confirmed my thoughts that its kinda shitty right now. Adding more randomness didn't help any.

Putting an Axe+Inferno pistol on any superior is amazingly efficient apparently, but that requires melee. These numbers kinda back up what I've experienced on the table.

>>54061705
Z?

>>54061829
Yea, he'll make more sense once the blood god is on.

>>54061738

Seems like an expensive unit to maybe knock out something nasty. Especially since effectively they'll be operating solo since the rest of the Chads will be taking cover and shooting shit.

>>54061815
Yeah, Repentias should have gotten zealot and angelic visage

>>54061812
>Nagi are running the whole show with MC'd Ethereals

>>54061815
I love it too. All these old ass metal sculpts that are never in stock are super hard hitting and ripping apart all the new models. I have count as models for Crusaders and DCA, but I'm not sure what to use for Arcos. I have 6 of the normal metal ones, but I'm not sure what to do. Just order 1 more packet of 3, or try to find a count as unit.
>>54061872
Kind of weird that they don't have Zealot and yet DCA, Crusaders and Arcos do.

>>54061885
Eh I don't mind, still better leaders than 99% of what 40k universe has to offer.

>>54061810
GGA, RGG.......and that's all I got. So why be such a faggot to just them?

>>54061851
Recaster. To learn more, visit the 40k recast subreddit.

>>54061346
I'm just about to get an avenger, looks fun

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>>54061443
>purple orks
>manofculture.jpg

>>54061921
That's because the imperium tries to operate a centralized government that clearly doesn't work when you have thousands of planets hundreds of lightyears away from each other with mediocre means of communication and travel.

Meanwhile the tau use a de-centralized government system. Planets and sectors govern themselves and simply pay tithes to their respective tau sept.

While it makes them more likely to succumb to chaos, the general population is typically more content and less likely to revolt.

>>54061872
>>54061903

SoBs can't have nice things, people might start using them instead of marines for power armored elites.

>>54061739
Says the man that sleeps with his cloak.

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I was just fucking around in battlescribe and figured this was a decent 1500pt casual list. Hows it look.

>>54061341
Nice meme.
The thought of anyone non-retarded ever even considering the use of power over points is fucking hilarious.

>>54061856
Wimp Lo?

>>54061964
That's exactly like the imperium though, planetary governors basically have free reign as long as they pay their tithe.

>>54061923
Thanks. Now to go report them to GW.

>>54061723
Stick to actual metal. Don't buy resin.

had a guy buy resin eldar back before plastic - got teased to death over it.

>>54061982
Why all the commanders? Just take platoon leaders.

>>54061731
Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids. I like the look of then but Greg Knights are just special marines , Dark Elder seem super flimsy and glass cannony, and every time I've seen nods play it just seems like you're either swarming down your opponent or taking flyrants but I havnt seen them played in 8th yet so I dont know how thats changed. Its the look for the warriors and their other medium sized things I like a lot.
>>54061742
I'm really considering this I already got 2 DI sets of DG through painting and trading so depending on how they play they may be how I go.

>>54062013
I gotta fill up them HQ slots somehow. I figure Platoon Commanders are just a waste of points overall. With only one order it just doesn't seem worth it.

>>54062013
2 Commanders is "all the commanders"? Commanders are 10 points more than Platoon Commanders and they get 2 orders.

>>54061993
They're expected to praise the emperor though, and they must report to and take directions from the high lords of terra. As well as a myriad of "middle management" types including:
>2 different types of Inquisitors
>AdMech
>Astartes
>Guard Commanders

>>54062044
>10 points more
And for those points you could throw more weapons around. Like organizing a heavy weapon team.

Does Battle Focus let Asuryani fall back and shoot?

>>54062067
You're silly.

>>54062047
Those are not that much different as the Etherals and caste system.
If anything the Tau are less decentralized than the Imperium, as there are very strict rules about castes that are enforced.

>>54062096
No.

>>54062096
No.

>>54062067
Yeah I mean you do only have a limited number of elite slots and you still have to fill the HQ slots up. It doesn't make sense to waste them on Platoon Commanders.

Has anyone seen Ynnari used to good effect yet?

Losing out on Battle Focus and Power from Pain seems to a bad trade off for being able to mix Craftworld and Drukhari units. There are some decent Dark Eldar units but few of them can't be replicated with various Aspect warriors.

Granted Eldar aspects are typically older than dirt and Dark Eldar have some decent sculpts but Ynnari currently seem kinda meh.

>>54062107
>there are very strict rules about castes that are enforced
Only on purely tau worlds.

They're much more liberal with worlds they've taken control of and kept the population intact.

>>54061359
Arcos are balanced like normal units but just get 2 wounds each for free.

>>54062153
Trading Battle Focus for Soulburst seems fine.
Soulburst is amazing

>>54062137
>>54062096
I should clarify (apologies if I quoted the wrong person, since our replies are identical, I don't know which is which): It probably doesn't. There's a very technical argument that "falling back" is a form of movement, and since units with battle focus can shoot as if they never moved, they can shoot as if they never fell back.

But I would not expect this argument to last past an FAQ, because for other abilities that allow the unit to shoot after falling back, it explicitly says so.

>>54061616
Didn't know Scaramouche played 40k

>>54062067
There's literally no reason to ever use Platoon Commanders. Commanders get 2 orders and have 1 more wound. They take up HQ slots so you can take more detachments. Elite slots are a competitive slot for Guard, there's no reason to add more by taking PCs.

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>>54062153
You can field dark eldar units with lame eldar units without running a ynnari faction.

But soulburst is amazing, and if you want to win, you're probably better off playing with soulburst on everything.

The real question for you is whether soulburst is worth giving up Covens units, Mandrakes, and Drazhar, all three of which are pretty strong this edition.

>>54062156

They murder infantry and even do okay vs light vehicles. They aren't going to suddenly make Ministorium able to trade punches with the Bugs and Orks but they'll tear through most other units.

Considering you can do arcos and DCA and crusaders and get strong but cheap units they are a nice option.

Bullgryns + Priest are incredibly nasty if they can get a charge in because war hymns and avalanche of muscle makes those mauls insane.

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>>54061970
I BUILD WALL WITH CLOK! SLEEP WITH CLOK GOOD.

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>>54062231
the actual real question is if you can't take Covens units, Mandrakes, and Drazhar with a ynarri list.

there is a certain aspie who goes on and on about that shit.

>>54061341
Is it implies lower is better or something? I don't get it.

>>54061675
i wouldn't bother with guns, you'll be wanting them in combat. Except perhaps bioplasma since it doesn't use up arm slots.

>>54062034
Well Grey Knights can mix with other imperials now, so you could take some assassins or admech or whatever and mix it in.
Supposedly tyranids are much better now.

>>54062313
The way my TO explained it, if you could just take a separate detachment for covens, drakes and drazhar, the rule about what units could join would say "detachment", not "army". I'm just going with that, since it makes sense.

>>54062231

Seems like soulburst is heavily situationally on your opponents army selection. Horde armies are going to be extremely difficult to completely destroy often enough to get a significant power boost.

Seems like it best against the IG and maybe Tau but even against Marines/CSM/Necrons it's going to struggle unless you opponent uses a lot of minimal sized units.

>>54060757

Tell me how you got that blue. It's nice.

>>54062374
it doesn't need to, because only the units you select get to be ynarri.

so if you have coven units in your list, they are stuck with PfP and all the valid choices you switched over can get SfD.

the only people having a problem over this are people with poor reading comprehension.

>>54062278
Can confirm. Bullgryn do well against single wound models, but they absolutely trash single models if they get the charge off. I've deleted Land Raiders with them in one go. I've gotten up to around 20 wounds dealt at 2 damage a pop. Even if they make 50% of the saves, they get deleted.

DCA, Crusaders and Arcos are great. My personal favorite are Crusaders because of the Acts of Faith and durability. That double move helps them a lot.

>>54062420
This is incorrect. There's no rule that lets you "select" units to be Ynnari. You can't have any Ynnari if you take Coven units.

>>54062439
you are literally the only person who believes this.

>>54062374
>the rule about what units could join would say "detachment", not "army"
That's wrong though, the rule clearly says "army".

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>>54062420
That seems weird to me. We've always called our lists armies, the book refers to them as armies, etc. So why would the rulebook say those units can't join a ynnari army if it means they actually can?

I guess it will have to be faq'd if this keeps coming up, but I'm pretty doubtful of your interpretation.

>>54062439
I think you're allowed to take the 3 hero ynnari, but you won't be able to make anything else ynnari if you take a covens, drake, or drazhar unit.

How many boyz should I look to field in a 2000 point ork army? I'm just starting and I bought 2 boxes of the SC but I'm seeing a lot of people say that I should be bringing a shit ton of boyz to any game.

>>54062459
No, stop being a WAACfag. The rule is pretty fucking clear. Go ahead and ask GW or email the playtesters, they're all saying the same thing.

>>54062493
honestly you should tripfag, would make it easier to filter you.

>>54062484
>I think you're allowed to take the 3 hero ynnari, but you won't be able to make anything else ynnari if you take a covens, drake, or drazhar unit.
This is correct, yes.

>>54062485
150 should be enough if you don't want to take a lot of boyz

>>54062508
I'm sorry the correct rules trigger you. Are you going to hang yourself the day the FAQ drops and confirms?

>>54062426

Crusaders are cheap as fuck considering you are getting a powersword and stormshield. Granted they don't do silly levels of damage like the arcos or bullgryns but despite being 1 wound they are pretty fucking durable especially if you go with a unit of 10.

Stick them in a box and you can easily tarpit a decent sized unit.

>>54062529
honestly this is another reason you should tripfag, so when your BTFO i can see yourself fade into anonymity.

>>54062426
Now we need a converted Bullgryn squad that has pit crew coveralls and tools as weapos who strip down vehicles in a twinkle.

>>54061718

Make Your Guys, anon. GW can't stop you....and if you're not a full retard WAACfag, I'm sure people will be willing to play games with em.

That's kinda why I'm into 40k at all.

>>54062416
Not really. Remember, that soulburst triggers when your units die as well, and you get to cast word of the phoenix on any ynnari unit (not just ones with Strength from Death, this was confirmed on stream a couple days ago).

An idea I toyed with was using Dark Eldar Retinues to field a ton of units. Anytime a single model of the retinue dies, you get a soulburst.

Another idea I had was multiple squads of banshees, with a Jain Zar. If they target either squad and destroy it, you can soulburst the other, and multicharge every unit in range. Doing this can completely interrupt an enemy's shooting phase.

I don't know how good either of these ideas will be in practice, but I think they show that soulburst has lots of interesting applications.

>>54062546
>thinks I'm going to be the one getting btfo when the rules are clear apart from some RAWfag loophole abuse of a retard intentionally misunderstanding the word "army" and when official sources and playtesters in constant contact with official sources have already made statements about this
How deluded can one person be

>>54062417
Undercoat GW leadbealcher.
Blue Mig Warhead metalic blue (will be super bright at this point)
Then give it a wash with waywatcher green.

>>54062485

Are you footslogging exclusively or are you using trukks and battlewagons?

If you are footslogging then big units + big meks are pretty critical but if you are going with trukks you obviously have smaller units.

Either way is fun but I honestly think trukks help give the orks enough mobility to deal with the run and shoot strategies of Tau and Eldar and Chad-marines.

>>54062535
Absolutely. Unless the enemy has a way to do some mortal wounds, Crusaders are quite durable. I usually put 2 Astropaths in my army to buff armor saves for Conscripts and Bullgryn, but I'm thinking of buffing Crusaders for some delicious 2++.

>>54062553
I would love this so much.

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>>54062579
Could you share these official statements? I haven't seen any yet, but I'd be very interested to see a semi-official ruling.

>>54062579
you're trying awfully hard to do mental gymnastic to prove you aren't a WAACFAG about to be btfo by a FAQ.

>>54062579
>official sources have already made statements about this

post a link or be forever BTFO

>>54062606
Unfortunately unless you're subscribed to GWs Twitch and willing to watch through all their videos for the part where they answered the question I don't have a way to do that

But if you e-mail them or the FLG guys or shoot them a question on the facebook page they might be able to clear it up for you

Or you can just wait for the FAQ they keep saying is "coming soon" that will definitely put it to rest

>>54062607
>projecting his WAACfaggotry when he's the one trying to use loopholes that are about to get FAQ'd to justify taking restricted units in an army that has an entire special rule dedicated to telling you that you cannot take those units
WEW

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>>54062643
>I don't have a way to do that

ETERNALLY BTFO

>>54062643
Honestly, it'd be more believable if you said your dad worked for GW.

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>>54062643
Can you at least tell me what video it was?

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>>54062096
>Asuryani

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>>54062664
Keep telling yourself that when the FAQ comes out and this is yfw

Or you could just learn to fucking read and realize that the index already explains this, but at this point I'm kind of looking forward to your faggoty elf tears

>>54062711
You said it was officially stated and you can't provide a source.

We all know who's delusional.

>>54062700
Fuck if I remember, I don't play elfdar shit so I wasn't paying attention to the video, I just have them running in the background while I paint. I don't have a subscription either so I can only see that stuff live.

>>54062724
Go ahead and message GW on facebook about it and see what they say. The community team responds to everything now.

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>>54062729
point and laugh at the idiot.

>>54062752
This is getting really sad

If this is your reaction now it's gonna be amazing on FAQ day.

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>>54062729
Well, I've emailed GW. I'll post back if they respond.

I'm not persuaded by your argument so far, but GW responding should settle it one way or the other.

>>54062765
oh i can't wait for FAQ day, im gonna shitpost so hard in that thread that it will make the shiters of basshole meme seem tolerable.

i can't wait to drink your impotent tears

>>54062569

Yeah I guess Soulburst actually makes bring out all of those fragile as fuck units (war walkers, anvils of vaul) that have largely disappeared from more serious mechdar units over the last what 5 editions?

Still not sure I like the idea of Banshees or Scorpions being bait units. Rangers seem like a fairly optimal bait unit unless you are fielding units of jetbikes and vypers in which case those are likely getting shot up unless you are doing something silly like a warlock skyrunner council

Using a bunch of ur-ghuls in a retinue just seems wrong.

>>54062787
If you don't like Shitsters of Basshole you can always use the new term, Assdeptus Shitsenioritas

>>54062868
there is always aftermarket third party sisters.

The only place you can't use them is offical GW stores.

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>>54062868
That sounds reasonable to me.

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>>54061810
Posting dudes

>>54062769
So you think Avatar of Khaine can be in an Ynnari army?

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>>54062904
No, I just forgot to list it.

>>54062904
An Avatar of khaine and An Avatar of Ynnead double teaming a greater deamon of slaneesh.

/d/ would have a field day.

>>54062868

GW is unlikely to do much with SoB to be perfectly honest. In general they are always chasing younger gamers because older players tend to already have one or more complete armies already and are typically unwilling to plunk down a huge sum of money on getting a full army.

I think the basic thought is that SoB won't appeal to younger males and so they focus most of their effort supporting marines and other novice friendly factions.

As a result Marines are always getting new stuff/codices and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because why spend a lot of time making new SoB sculpts when you can just crank out another marine set and sell more of them?

>>54062278
>They aren't going to suddenly make Ministorium able to trade punches with the Bugs and Orks
Why not? 9 Arcos + priest on charge deals 26 damage to ork boys they cost 135 points and have 18 wounds with a 5++. That's essentially only par with Boyz for both wounds and damage per point.

....sorry >>54062883 and >>54062884...I'm into a 40oz and on a phone, and that was moretypos than care to look at.

But yeah >>54062883, I'm aware of third-party and kitbashing stuff....but there's a lot that irks me about going that route too much. It's irrational, but I like the idea of using mostly official stuff. Plus I really do Luke some of their models like the penitent engines.

CSM, Daemons or Renegades?

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Welcome to Planehammer 40k

>>54063015
Run em all in one list.

>>54063015
Renegades AND daemons. Summon 1510 points of Daemon on your opponent's flank with the magic of Valkyries.

>>54063039
This is so easily countered by flying assault infantry. Drop 9" away, charge, punch them to death.

>>54061516
kill your self faggot

>>54063039

Don't you just need to pick up some Velocity Trackers to just wreck this list?

>>54062976

Mainly because unit of boyz are liable to be at least 20 and often 30 in size. In contrast the arcos have a maximum of 9 + the priest.

Yeah the arcos are going to do a massive amount of damage on the charge but big units of boyz are able to absorb silly amounts of damage.

I'm not saying arcos aren't good but in general I think you'd probably do better using bullgryns and crusaders vs orks because they have good damage + good durability.

>>54061367
uh... Your right arm is falling off

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These are what I have, any tips for lists at various points?

>>54061297
Post Alpha Legion lore.

>>54063096
Cannot unsee

CHAOS CHOSEN MODELS WHEN?!?!?!?!

>>54063039

Seems gimmicky as fuck. Granted most tourney lists are unlikely to be geared to counter it but what happens if people have the long range dakka to take out some of your flyers quickly?

It's great if people aren't expecting it because seriously who buys that many marine flyers but if people know you are liable to run with that sort of list they are going to bring a variety of hard counters.

>>54063128
Five years ago.

>>54063129
In the end it's not much different from vehicle spam, you just have a harder time charging them an -1 to hit with shooting, both of which seem not that huge. There must be more to this than just the armylist.

>>54063061
Fuck off David "Kid Cocks" Brock

>>54063174
No, it is huge. They can fly right up to your army and be immune to assault if you have nothing with the fly rule, and -1 to hit can be the difference between landing a lascannon hit or not. They also move fast as fuck so they can be wherever they want and focus whatever they want.

>>54063047

Because 9" charges are always so successful.
If you drop in and assault, you'd better hope that you kill them in one because if not you're fucked.

>>54063068
Anything that starts on the board with a VT will be dead in turn 1

>>54063129
Any "Long range Dakka" will be dead turn one.


I'm not saying that I like this list, it would have a hard time actually contesting maelstrom objectives but it honestly doesn't need to, I'd be pretty confident about tabling pretty much any opponent turn 1 with this shit memelist.

>>54063251
Then you are terrible at warhammer 40k, but then again you're posting on /tg/ so...

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>>54062206
He plays Emperor's Children.

>>54062591
I'm prob going to be foot slogging. The SC come with 2 Deff Dreads and I was thinking about picking up a gorkanaut cause it looks cool.

I might also try and pick up Ghazkrull if I can. Is he worth the points that he's listed at?

>>54061297
New to 8th, not played 40k in a zillion years.
Any thoughts on my Saim Hann list?

Autarch Skyrunner - Fusion Gun, Laser Lance, Mandiblasters

Warlock Skyrunner - Witchblade

5 Fire Dragons with Exarch
Wave Serpent with Crystal Targeting Matrix

5 Windrunners with 3 Shuriken Cannons

5 Windrunners with 3 Shuriken Cannons

4 Shining Spears with Exarch with Star Lance

- 996 Points

>>54063074
I guess put the arcos in a rhino and it evens out somewhat. No one is playing imperium melee list and buying or converting a shit load of them is expensive and time consuming. Its amazing that in the rare circumstance a 30 ork blob actually got a sisters/guard line intact you have something cheap that can just charge them and easily wipe them out.

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Theoretically how many friends you think one could lose real quick with this cheeky combo?

>>54063251

>Anything that starts on the board with a VT will be dead in turn 1

>Any "Long range Dakka" will be dead turn one.

Well alright then, if you insist.

>>54063129
Its a first month "I found an efficient unit and spammed it list" not very impressive or revelatory. There are other more broken units out there.

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>>54063039
laughing 200 model count army.

Have fun trying to score objectives, faggot

>>54063313
Looks like shit, you'd have to cast that on the unit shooting and the darkshroud can't keep up with the min movement of the aircraft

You're an idiot, in other words

>>54063313

If you don't mind having two units running around desperately trying to keep up with your supersonic flyer I'm sure it's amazing

>>54063251
>any long range/sky fire models will be dead turn 1
>what is deploying in cover

>>54063348
>>54063354

You just gotta spread out the darkshrouds and psykers to cover the board and create beacons of not hit
That is all, piece of kek

>>54063348
>>54063354
Thinking more in tandem with stacked darkshrouds. Admittedly I haven't read 100% of everything so there could a contradiction but abilites usually state a unit can only be under its effect once - doesn't say that for Icon of the Old Caliban

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>>54063128
>he doesn't convert his own chosen models

So if I give my great unclean one the 6+ FNP warlord trait, does it stack with disgustingly resilient?

T7 12 wounds at 5++ with a 5+ FNP and 6+ FNP sounds pretty annoying to kill. Especially since he'll have the power to heal d3 wounds a turn.

>>54063436
RAI I'd imagine you get one feel no pain roll. Or failing that, a +1 to your FNP save.

>>54063416
That's way too many points you have to invest just to make use of a gimmick. Not to mention that 2/3rd of your units will have -2 to hit at most.

>>54063403

Dead turn 1 no matter what
According to that guy atleast, dunno how my deepstriking AA dies turn 1

>>54063335

Honestly, an absolutely massive horse army is the best counter I can think of for this.
Flooding the board with conscripts at max coherency will make it hard for the planes to actually be able to move

Opinions on Scabiathrax in 8E?

>>54063436

its all different abilities unless somewhere in the rules it says you can only try 1 "feel no pain" roll once a turn. ive been running it that it stacks and no one else has a problem with it. my problem with the GUO is he is pretty slow.

>>54063468
>>54063468
The solution is to deep strike your AA. With Tau it's not that hard. You can slap tons of AA on Characters that can deep strike.

>>54063475
Flying units ignore other models

>>54063476

now that D isn't a thing i'm definitely going to use mine more. hes a 22 wound nurgle unit, the fucker should never die.

>>54063488
They can move over them, but they can't finish within 1" of them.

>>54063488
You're still not allowed to land on top of other models.

>>54063436

GUO is durable and attracts damage like crazy but on the other hand it's slow as fuck and is really limited on range.

In general I think I'd almost always prefer a Nurgle Daemon Prince over GUO mainly for mobility.

Especially since the rest of the army is liable to be slow as fuck plaguemarines.

>>54063477
He is pretty slow yeah. But a lot of the army is fast, it's mixed death guard and nurgle. I've got plague drones, 2 bloat drones, and some plague marines in rhinos. And 7 inches is faster than infantry and dreadnoughts at least.

I'm more worried about my herald. He's speed 5, and I'm not sure I want to sacrifice the movement of my GUO or Typhus to summon him.

>>54063468

Your DSing units don't, but the other 50% of your army does. The rest is just cleanup, because I doubt that your DS units are going to kill all of those planes in the turn that they arrive

>>54063446
Then there's this guy over here, just making shit up. It has already been clarified that you do indeed get both. RAW is that you get both. RAI is that you get both.

>>54063530
Now that I look at it, the daemon prince with wings is cheaper than the great unclean one. Loses a lot of survivability but the buff aura might be worth the tradeoff.

>>54063574
If you have to do this much damage control it's clear that you get only one.

>>54063588
Actually no, it has 8 wounds. So I guess it doesn't lose survivability because it's a character and is untouchable. Shit, guess I'm getting that instead.

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How should I paint my Hellforged stuff? I'm going for the dark mechanicus aesthetic.

>>54061472
>her

>>54063475

I still find it funny that bring enough conscripts makes enemy fliers kill themselves
fuck, conscript meta next

>>54063636
There is no reason in the rules to believe you only get one. This is something you have invented. Both rules take effect in the order chosen by the player whose turn it is as per the main rulebook sequencing rules.

>>54063719
Well the Stormravens are able to Hover and thus avoid that. But that does mean they'll get charged by conshits.

So here's my updated list now that I've been turned on to nurgle daemon princes. 2k points

Battallion:
Winged nurgle daemon prince with axe and warp bolter
Typhus

7 plague marines with plasma + fist, plasma, blight launcher
7 plague marines with plasma + fist, plasma, blight launcher
28 plaguebearers with instrument
19 poxwalkers

Rhino with combi bolter, combi melta, havoc launcher
Rhino with combi bolter, combi melta, havoc launcher

Predator with 4 lascannons

Outrider detachment:

Herald of nurgle

Bloat drone
Bloat drone
3 plauge drones with instrument


I'll lose out on the pure killing capability of the GUO and how insanely hard to kill it is, but gain a ton of mobility, a useful aura buff that works on both my marines and daemons, and a lot more speed. The extra points turned into plasmaguns for my plague marine champions.

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>>54061367
I am very confused to how can this even happen after you hit 12.

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>>54063725

Faced a competitive a eldar urinary army and let me just tell you that they are insane.

Razorwing swarm and other cheap shit granting soul burst, scorpion with their special character assaulting from deepstrike and then spawning the urinary avatar when they kill someone.

Urinary avatar blinking across the field whenever something dies.

Whenever there's a couple of fights happening in a close vicinity 7"~ you're in for a treat and the urinarians will get soulbursts 2-3 times a turn (or deny you options which are even worse)

It's like playing chess against them, you make one mistake and soulburst + urinary teleport creates a near unstoppable chain of events.

Well 8E has officially been out for nearly 2 weeks.

What do people think of it.

Why are Xenos players so fucking dumb lmao

>>54063775
Easily the best and most balanced edition ever written.

>>54063761
Your own explanation was entirely based on RAI, which is code for "shit I want to be true." Reece has said you get both, and he helped playtest the game.

>>54063793
>some retarded blogger said so
Oh shit guess you're definitely right then

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>>54063790

I've waited so many years to hear someone say that non-sarcastically.

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>>54063770
>urinary

>>54063803
Not even that guy but
>the playtesters are bloggers meme
Really, that's all you got?

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>>54063403
Anon threadly reminder that they are americans. Pic related is considered a busy board in burgerland.

>>54063403
Deploying in cover doesn't help much in an edition where all you get at best is a +1 to your save against weapons that are removing most of it to begin with, and with Flyers being as mobile as they are oftentimes you won't even get the 50% obscured you need to get the benefit.

>>54063757
So, this list has 3 psykers with 3 different disciplines.

Obviously I'll use warptime for the prince. Not sure about the herald though. Leaning towards the +1 to wound rolls buff, but heali8ng the herald or prince d3 could be nice.

For typhus, probably going to go for gift of contagion and miasma.

>>54063818
Take your eceleb findom fetish back to gaytreon or kikescammer will you?

>>54063775
Easily the worst and most imbalanced edition ever written.

>>54063821

Americans face the enemy head on and don't cower like yuros

>>54063872
What the fuck even is this level of retardation

Okay, I last played 40k in 3rd/4th edition and I'm completely fucking mystified how list making works now

Can a kind anon give me a breakdown on what happened to points and force organization charts and how you're supposed to do stuff now?

>>54063901
Read the fucking rulebook idiot. It's 16 pages long you stupid fuck.

>>54061433
Maybe i'll be fucking misterable as I'm working on painting up some display quality terminators and they're going to release new ones which everyone thinks look better but are actually shit.

New death guard are a goddamn abortion of balance. They're just a cluster fuck of everything every where with no way to lead the eye or really focus on any single part. It's fucking stupid but people love them

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>>54062836
>senioritas
I don't get it. Did /tg/ roll up a mexican sororitas order when I wasn't looking?

>>54063921
Yeah it's called Montezuma's Revenge.

>>54063901
Read the rulebook you dumb nigger

>tfw the renegade valkyrie demon summoning tactic doesn't work
Kek

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What do you think about my first Centurion devastator? I tried to make the dung pile of a model at least passable. I gave him a terminator head, raised the torso a teeny bit, and left off the silly pauldrons.

>>54063770
>and the urinarians will get soulbursts 2-3 times a turn

You do know that each unit can only make a Soulburst action once per turn right ?

>>54063956
That's a pretty expensive model to waste

>>54063644
this

do i just paint black legion colors on it and call it a day?

>>54063977
Wasted or not, it will still be used.

>>54063956
It arguably looks even worse now

>>54063775
Good gameplay, nice to see the plot advance with Rowboat Gorillaman

Disappointed with the blatant replacement and slow squatting of old marines; especially with how shitty the new units are. They look great but they're not very dynamic; grey hunters are better than intercessors for the same price.

>>54063840
Deploying in cover can also deny line of sight entirely, especially with small units, if you cant wipe them from the board then the important people will still be there since wound allocation has changed. This means that by deploying multiple tiny units in as deep cover as you can find, you can minimize the advantage of people getting first turn, then bring all your heavy hitters in from reserve. If you're against fliers, you can even bring the reserves in super close to the enemy, so their minimum move restricts their options for targets. In short, cover is still a big deal if you know how to use it.

>>54062940
No one really gives a shit about sisters. Any one who wants them already has them and it's mostly a bad meme that non-white men give a fuck about this hobby.

>>54063956
Definitely needs a crotchplate, it looks like he is wearing a power armour G-string.

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>>54061810

>>54061341
Is this satire?

>>54063982
I was kind of thinking iron warriors style up until the stripes with dark red and beat up cream stuff instead, but I've never seen anything like that painted so I'm cautious

>>54063956
I think it actually looks worse. The regular Centurion isn't that bad looking, it's just dumb. The Nemesis Dreadknight is hideous, however.

>>54063874

> We face them head on.

Lets just hope they don't have an army of Vietnamese farmers with rifles from the 1940's or we're fucked.

FW emailed a dude to admit they overpriced the FW Hammerheads.
Looks like they're getting cheaper in a FAQ at the minimum

>>54064046
lol p2w models aren't p2w enough better make them more broken

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Ok, here's some anti-plasma/charge bubble wrap idea. How does it look?

> Red dot: Prime target
> Red circle: 9" (deep strike) range
> Orange circle: 12" (rapid fire/charge) range
> Black dots: Bubble units
> Black circles: 9" bubble range

4 Bubble units are placed 9" from the prime target, protecting it from DS rapid fire/charge

>>54064041
Yeah, whatever would the Americans do, aside from slaughter them ruthlessly for years on end never losing a major engagement, secure a peace treaty, go home because the civilians are sick of war, then not have the will to go back when the people you just got done fucking decide to break the peace treaty and your worthless allies fail to defend themselves without your assistance.

>>54061297

Anyone know how flamers work for overwatch yet? Do they work exactly like they do in a regular shooting attack? 1d6 hits?

>>54064061

You forgot the part where you expend 58,000 young American lives propping up an artificial state for literally nothing.

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> Green circle: 24" (plasmagun's max range) range

So now you can protect the prime target from the DS unit shooting RF gun at all by placing 8 bubble units from 18" of the target.

Anything else I should consider?

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>>54064005
Slightly better?

What's with all the anti-american posts on /tg/ recently? Did some buttmad europoor get BTFO on /pol/ or /int/ or something?

>>54064070
58,000 compared to literal millions dead on the enemy side.

The war being ultimately pointless is a non-sequitur.

>I main Thousand Sons

>>54061989

Because everyone has four extra hours to kill at the gamestore flipping back and forth between tables at opposite sides of a book to tally up point costs before they actually play.

>>54064077
That terminator head still looks fucking dumb.

>>54064085
> 58,000 compared to literal millions dead on the enemy side.
Accomplishing objectives is what determines the victor in a war, not the K-D ratio.

>>54062013

platoon commanders are elites, not hq

>>54064085

But you lost, they died for nothing.

I'm sure all their parents can take solace that their tax funded army killed millions of Vietnamese who wanted to remove invaders.

>>54063039

You do realize that marines will hit your planes on a 4+, right?

>>54063758
Probably used plastic glue. Too much will melt the parts, and it may have slid down. Doubt it will be noticeable in a sea of power armor.

>>54064109
>lost
kekkkkkkkkkkkk this is what marxists are actually indoctrinated to believe

>>54064124

How else would you define Vietnam?

If you can't count failing to accomplish any of your main objectives as a loss then I suppose you can't count much as a loss.

Or was the objective to aimlessly kill as many people as possible? Last time I checked South Vietnam wasn't an independent state.

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>>54064100
I don't think so. The pauldrons are kinda silly looking as is. Maybe if I chopped down the shoulder servo a bit and put them at an angle

>>54064133
Honestly speaking the stock model looks miles better than the stupid shit you made. If you fielded that in front of me I'd probably question your sanity and taste in models and reconsider playing with you.

>>54064109
>Lost
>When the conflict was part of the greater Cold War, in which the commies got BTFO
>And Vietnam today is essentially capitalist
>Calls the Americans invaders when the first thing the noble Viet Cong freedom fighters did when they "liberated" south 'Nam is slaughter thousands of their own defenseless countrymen in the name of Communism

Get out of here commie scum, you can collect your free helicopter ride coupon at the door.

>>54064133
Waaait a second, that centurion is on a 32mm base ?! That's not right, put it back on the base it belongs on

Im pretty new to GW miniature stuff
Since the new edition of WH 40k is out, can we expect new models for EACH race or just few selected ones?
Im not sure whether I want to collect for example Biker Squads, since they can be obsolete in some time.

>>54064103
>Accomplishing objectives is what determines the victor in a war, not the K-D ratio.
Incorrect.

Random political agendas does not determine the overall effectiveness or the cost of a victory or defeat.

If for example Vietnam had to fight America again, they could ill afford another "victory" of the same kind of k-d ratio again, since no country would prefer to have 1/4 of its entire population wounded.

Such a defeat could have easily been switched around had America simply changed its political goals, such as if Colonialism was back in vogue and America decided to purge Vietnam of the majority of its natives for annexation as another state. Not exactly the most uncommon or historically improbable decision.

In which case that k-d ratio would become extremely important and even become lopsized even more, as the American military basically genocides the natives to make room for colonists.

We didn't do that because we thought at the time that colonialism was bad, m'kay. But such action was possible if our nation was feeling drastic and if our antiwar movement was much weaker.

>>54064150
Wow fuck you then. The stock model looks like ass. You must have a singular taste. I would definitely reconsider playing you, and would be richer for it.

>>54064132
In order to lose you have to, you know, be defeated. Which the American forces in Vietnam never were.

The fact that the North restarted hostilites after the Americans left is another matter entirely, but the entire conflict was just a proxy war in the scheme of the greater global conflict against the Soviet Union, which America eventually won.

>>54064167
You're right. The stock model does look like ass. Which is why your abomination is so bad. It's somehow even worse than that dumb fat bulky shit,

>>54064154
Nah, Primaris next to it is on a 32. Might be a 40

>>54063644
>>54063982
paint them how ever you want, there's no standardized uniform for them.

>>54064061
> your worthless allies fail
This sort of reasoning is why the US lost. Not simply because Arvin sucked. No, the US lost because the US didn't realize that a big part of being the patron state in a proxy war is picking a good proxy and then supporting them. You don't win by just backing anyone who says the right phrases, then moving in, muscling them aside, and trying to do everything yourself. The people of Vietnam were never going to accept US occupation, and that's all "South Vietnam" ever was. A US occupation. As soon as the US was gone, there was no more South Vietnam.

The US had no ally in Vietnam. Not really. And it never bothered to actually put in the work developing one. Instead it thought it could win the war by racking up big body counts. Well, guess what? As long as there were Vietnamese people, there would be Vietnamese people fighting against the US. Sure, millions of Vietnamese died. But it was their homeland, and they were willing to fight on despite those losses. They never defeated the US in battle, but in the end they never needed to.

>>54064162
>Biker Squads, since they can be obsolete in some time.
>Biker Squads obsolete in some time.
>Biker Squads obsolete.
>obsolete.

>>54064176
You fucking do better then.

>>54064181
I think he means the models becoming outdated.

>>54063901

Don't mind all the faggots. I'll answer you just to make them mad and encourage more question-asking since it riles up their autism.

So there's two methods of building a list now. There's the Power method, and there's good old fashion points. Power is much faster and more convenient, but a lot less precise in terms of balance.

Basically if you pay Power for something you get to upgrade all their wargear to the max for no additional cost.

If you do a points game, you have to pay points for each little piece of wargear like in all the other editions. The shitty part is the point costs are all on tables in the back of the book, separate from the rest of the information about said units/wargear. So doing a list by points is going to be pretty fiddly and you'll probably want to do it before you get to the game store because it is neither a quick nor convenient process.

In any case, your point/power costs will be in the Index books for the various factions. Not in the rules, like these faggots are saying.

Generally 100 power points is the equivalent of a 2000 point game (but the wargear has a tendency to get very twinked in any power game)

I've heard of house rules that in a power game each unit is equipped exactly as modeled. Cannot comment, have not seen it in action.

Good luck.

>>54064180
>As long as there were Vietnamese people, there would be Vietnamese people fighting against the US.
Except for the millions of Vietnamese living under US protection and supporting their war effort. Do they just not count as Vietnamese people? Not every fucking person in the country was a communist.

>>54063998

>Deny line of sight against units that can move anywhere on the board

Okay dude

>>54064177
But that's still not the correct base size. So not only does he fail at kitbashing better looking Centurions, he's also moddeling for advantage by using incorrect bases. What a dork.

>>54064191
Aye.
>>54064181
That was simply an example, duhhh

>>54064187
I don't need to. I'm not some special snowflake cunt who think's he's special by kitbashing shit together that doesn't make sense. I don't even like Centurions or their statline ingame so it's not like I even care. Hell, I can't even field them.

So yeah, stop being a butthurt nigger and accept that you somehow made something even worse than an already bad model. Then move on with your life.

>>54064153

> Let South Vietnam collapse.

> Russia extended an olive branch in 1991 and the USA betrayed them as always by not removing NATO bases and by interfering in the Ukrainian election causing a second Cold War (I'm sure the military industrial complex will make some good money building more F-35's though).

> Vietnam is about as capitalist as China

> Americans took over from French controlling an artificial state and causing sectarian violence that resulted in more dying than if they'd just let the country unify.

>>54064165


Hmm really made me think, I guess since German infantry had a higher K/D ratio than Allied in WWII by that logic Hitler actually won the war, who would have guessed?

>>54064171

Seriously these mental gymnastics are embarrassing. If running away with NVA tanks hot on your heels isn't capitulation I don't know what is.

>>54064052
>p2w models
?

>>54064196
They count, sure. But were they willing to fight in the name of "South Vietnam"? It turned out the answer was no. They were Vietnamese. But "South Vietnamese"? No. That was never really much of a thing. Not all of the country was a communist, but the ones willing to fight were, and that's what you need to win a war.

>>54064199
Does 10mm difference on three dudes really constitute modelling for advantage? Base size doesn't really matter as much this edition

>>54064207
Well seeing as it was an example, I think it would be logical to expect Primaris on bikes at some point?

>>54064041

You literally have no concept of what you're talking about.

>>54061675
>How should I build the two new ones
With magnets.

But also use close combat weapons. Either double scything talons of scything talons and crushing claws.

>>54064208
Projecting much?

>>54064232

I know I literally don't, who needs a concept for a 4chan post? Seems a bit much really.

>>54064229
But those are likely to be replaced too at some point, once the molds are worn down. I think you're better off never buying anything, it could all become obsolete at some point.

>>54064236
>i'm projecting by pointing out that i neither care about nor am able to field centurions on the table and therefore could not give less of a shit whether or not i can kitbash a better snowflaketurion than you can
It's time to stop using buzzwords you don't know the meaning of.

>>54064227

I think bases only matter for the purpose of measuring distance to a target. Still though, a larger/smaller base than appropriate could have a slight effect on game mechanics if you wanted to get real nit-picky.

I noticed that the primaris sergeant has a different base size than the primaris troops, which seems absurd. However, that was in early pictures of the models I have no idea if they shipped like that.

>>54064254
Best option is to cut paper circles out of a newspaper, prime them and then write what model they represent.
That way you can always keep up with the meta.