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First for Dreadnoughts

Effectiveness of Snipers? Looking at including four Arquebi in my Skittle Brigade, has anyone actually used them at all or am I wasting points on what's basically two Sniper Autocannon with a bit more AP?

third for lion el homo is next

How do I fit a ghostkeel, riptide, broadsides, and stormsurge in a 2000 point list?

>>54050238
Repostan my 2k chaos. It's gonna be weird having ten plague marines standing a third taller than their brethren, but i got bellguy as the coolest chaos lord standin i've ever used

86-Chaos Lord, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol
189-Nurgle Daemon Prince, Warpbolter, Talons
275

144-5xPlague Marines-2x Meltagun, Power Axe
144-5xPlague Marines-2x Meltagun, Power Axe
91-Chaos Rhino, Combibolter, Combimelta
379

137-5xPlague Marines-2x Blight Launcher, Power Sword
137-5xPlague Marines-2x Blight Launcher, Power Sword
91-Chaos Rhino, Combibolter, Combimelta
365

136-5xPlague Marines-2x Plasmagun, Power Sword
136-5xPlague Marines-2x Plasmagun, Power Sword
87-Chaos Rhino, Combibolter, Combiplas
359

202-Predator-Twin-las, 2x lascannon sponsons

158-Foetid Bloat-Drone-2x Plaguespitters, Plague-Probe
158-Foetid Bloat-Drone-2x Plaguespitters, Plague-Probe
215-Helldrake-Claws, Baleflamer
531


1997 points. Lord rides in the rhino with the plasma, since i obviously only own 29 plague marines and cant field a redshirt there'll be room in that particular bus. 7 t7 units should weather all but the most heavy firepower until i get into rape range, at which point the close-range firepower will have me more excited than a slaaneshi whore

Something for alpharius

Killteam detachment:

Elite:

Tempestus Command Squad - medi pack, platoon standard, grenade launcher, plasma gun (37)

Troops:

Tempestus Scions - plasma pistol, power maul, meltagun, hotshot volleygun (77)

Fast Attack:

Chimera - 2x heavy bolter, storm bolter (85)

How is it? I've seen people take a chimera as a fast attack but I don't know if you actually can

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>>54050238
Hey, whats the name of those excel cells where you can choose only one option out of a list? Like the ones used in here.

>>54050279
Imo Snipers are crucial in 8e.

Sure certain armies rely on Characters more (Guard). But the raw buffs given by them needs to be dealt with.

>Marine Captain for Reroll1s to hit
>Marine Lt for reroll 1s to wound
>Apothecary for healing / resurrecting Terminators / Centurions.
>Techmarines for healing up those tonks.

>Thread changing whilst I'm posting again

God fuck it.

>>54050216 #

I'm mocking them for failing to match that lore blurb to the actual models.

Obviously they can't be masters of lightning assault if they're much slower than most assault marines.

Obviously they don't have elite specialist equipment if they have a pistol and knife. Yes, it's a Cawl pattern pistol, but all primaris have Cawl pattern stuff, it's just going to be a longer ranged or two shot bolt pistol with -1 rend. They'd have a power weapon or something if they genuinely had elite specialist combat equipment.

The trained to scare people thing might be true, but the appearance certainly doesn't hold up to it, they don't look more scary than regular primaris in any way.

>>54050278
I have a newfound respect for squat dreads.

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Excellent, we made it just in time!

>>54050333
I mean, sure they can on all accounts. Being sneaking in and striking fast work. And we don't know the full extent of their gear.

>>54050333
But they have skull facepaint, that supposed to be scary and edgy.

>Shards of Magnus nonsense

Literally why.

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Femarines are cute! CUTE!

>>54050291
can't i just surround your transports with bikes or hormagaunts and half your army is stuck inside?

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So since a recent GT was won by a Blood Angels player with: One Tacsquad, 4 Storm Ravens, and 2 Stormhawk Interceptors, it looks like pic related is no longer just a meme.

>>54050333
>Obviously they don't have elite specialist equipment if they have a pistol and knife.

But anon, chad marines all suffer from weaponized autism. A knife really is specialist equipment to them.

>>54049730
It's not a sigmarine. The abs on that sigmarine don't match up with the pic they posted today, or any of the other lion related leaks.
Also, that guy is a lord castellant according to the book description, and that already has a model.
It's lion el homo

>>54050426
>trusting the results of a tourney were 2 out of the the 3 placers had illegal lists
ISHYGDDT

>>54050454
Special weapon for special children.

>>54050426
>godhammer land raider
>with assault cannon sponsons
?????????????????

>>54050426
Couldn't he have done the same or better with vanilla or space wolves?

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>>54050426
>pic is 8 or 9 years old

>>54050469
I bet Fabius Bile could instant kill titans with his Rod of Torment in that tournament :^)

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>>54050454
>weaponized autism

>>54050484
Before the Stormraven was released there were rumors of "a flying land raider with assault cannons in the BA codex".

>>54050415
sure, but thats true of any mechanised army, and also assumes i make some dumbass positioning decisions allowing myself to get three vehicles surrounded simultaneously. Its obviously not going to deal with stuff like ten thousand conscripts and seething hordes of gants, nothing does apart from other hordes

and i already own 80 genestealers and ~200 gants

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>tfw incapable of focussing on one army soon keep buying things for both leaving me with a fuckhuge pike of shit I don't know I'll ever use

Which would be the best allied snipers for a SOB force? Temple Assassins seem decently fluffy and don't require a heap of extra models but I'm unsure.

With this edition having characters be harder to remove with shooting, snipers seem rather useful.

>>54050291
>>54050415
I should be constructive: I don't see enough shooting outside of transports to kill off a 30 gaunt blob, so if you start in the transports, you're stuck. If you start out of the transports, you're either not in range or you're getting charged.

I think you need some bubble wrap.

>>54050454
>chad marines all suffer from weaponized autism
So same as old marines.

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>>54050333
>The trained to scare people thing might be true, but the appearance certainly doesn't hold up to it, they don't look more scary than regular primaris in any way.
I disagree. Transhuman dread is already a thing. Conine that with the primaris' increased size and I would assume the reivers increased speed due to less armor, and most mortals will be shitting their pants in fear.
I don't know about you, but a 8-9ft tall skull faced humanoid jumping out of the bushes and running at me at inhuman speeds would be terrifying.

My only wish is that they painted the reivers in the RT camo patterns. That would be awesome and a nice reference on GW's part.

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>>54050238

> Thunderfire Cannon
> Contains 1 Thunderfire Cannon and 1 Techmarine Gunner
> Armed with Thunderfire Cannon, 2 Servo-Arms, Bolt Pistol, Plasma Cutter and Flamer
> Total points cost is 28 + 36 + 0 + 9 + 7 + (2x12) + 30
> For the basic unit with no options available to it
> Rules, weapon profiles and points are spread over 6 pages to find everything

Why did they think this layout was a good idea?
Just give me the total with the basic weapons already added in you muppets.

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>>54050591
Son...

>>54050533
Can you combine them together as an allied army?

>>54050591
People seem to forget there are things in the 40k universe that aren't fearless.

>>54050618
Nope. CSM and Deldar.

>>54050469
The list that won is legal. You can run 2 Flyer Wings and 1 Patrol Detachment. This is totally more balanced, as pseudo-unbound is far better than Formations for preventing spam. (It isn't).

>>54050600
It's more appling that the wyvren fies 4d6 shots while the thunderfire cannon fires 4d3 shots and costs more

>>54050591

>Combined with primaris increased size

It's almost like I said they don't look scarier than other primaris rather than other marines.

8-9 foot seems a fairly ridiculous overestimate though, regular marines are 7 foot so comparing them primaris are probably about 7 foot 6 inches. 8 as an absolute high end, unlikely estimate based off them being similar in height to Custodes models who yes, are 8 foot.

I haven't seen any fluff so far suggesting Primaris are actually Custodes-big though, and their stats certainly don't match up.

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I tried out a squad of mixed heavy weapons for the first time ever. 2 lascannons and 2 heavy bolters. Pretty impressed with the effectiveness of devastators even on the move. I like the idea of fielding a second squad with the same loadout on a opposite flank, making it mich more difficult to hide infantry from the hb and tanks from the lascannons.

I liked running the primaris lt with the anti tank stuff too. Pseudo tank hunters.

Also the patrol narrative game is pretty fun. Recommend it.

>>54050600
I think the idea is that if you cut out the weapons from the cost of the units you can rebalance the game with a bit more finess. So if the lascannon is too expensive you can decrease its cost across the board without looking at every unit using said lascannon.

...I think.

>>54050591
But anon, 99/100 of the scariness of that scenario is the 9ft superman running at me, the skull face wouldn't really register as much of a threat compared to the rest.

And Space Marines already HAD most of that before with Ass marines, with the added benefit of being much faster at the cost of like 1ft of height. And when I'm a heretic shittting myself in a foxhole, I'm not going to quibble about the murder machine charging me being smaller than expected.

Just back from local GW. Started on assembling my first army.

Managed to assemble 20 poxwalkers. Surprisingly easy to do. Very cool looking models too.

Overall was a nice experience, didn't know people but I talked to a few people, even helped a guy who was playing death guard and got a few rules wrong to his disadvantage. Hope to assemble the rest and start painting soon.

How was your day today anons?

>>54050658
>and their stats certainly don't match up

That's because the increased size is mostly just hot air :^)

>>54050426
He should have been disqualified for the "twin-linked" weapons.

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Random question:

The new codex talks about how the Ruinous Powers 'reign supreme' over the 'Realm of Chaos'.

Am I correct in the thought that 'Realm of Chaos' is just the infinite area' of inside the endless expanse of the Warp that is exclusively under the dominion of the Chaos Gods?

I mean, if the Big Four actually "reigned supreme", they should have crushed the other non-Chaos deities by now (Emps, Ynead, Gork and Mork... not Cegorach since he's in the webway playing librarian right now.), yeah?

>>54050600

Is the Techmarine gunner cheaper than a regular Techmarine? If so he might be a handy ally to my marine vehicle detachment.

>>54050570
The idea is to screen with the flyers and duck in and out of close combat and shooting with my flamers. Barring genestealers, i cant think of any hordes killy enough to actually crack a rhino before the other two unload their squads worth of shooting into the blob. The only time i should have my tanks charged is if my opponent dodges my flying support, and if he manages to surround all three then i'm either being masterfully outplayed, making really fucking stupid positioning mistakes, or playing against six hundred conscripts/gants/boyz.

So, working on my Colonial Marine-themed Scion list, and am torn between tying them into the whole Ultramar expansion by making them a branch of the Ultramar Auxilia, going with a dark grey and blue scheme, or placing them somewhere else fluffwise.

>>54050692
About 22 points cheaper.

>>54050680
Should be getting my Poxwalkers in today, going to do the same.

Do drones purchased with stuff like firewarriors count as separate units for the purpose of scoring kill points? Do they have to be killed off to count the unit they came with as destroyed?

Similar question for warlocks and primaris lts bought as a group

>>54050724
Depends if he has a rule that limits what he can repair to the gun, like the Cybernetica Datasmith that can only repair the Kastelans.

>>54050645
It doesn't matter if the winning list is legal or not, the fact that 2 illegal lists got through and won 2nd and 3rd place shows that either the players and/or the TO's don't know the rules or are just bad at the game.
Who knows how many other mistakes were made, and how those mistakes affected the final outcome.

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>>54050716
Plenty of room in Ultramar, but even more room in the rest of the galaxy. Are there any other imperial factions you also like that you'd enjoy buddying up your Scions with?

>>54050751
Drone Support states that they become a seperate unit after deployment, so I'm assuming that yes, they becoming another unit viable for reaping Kill Points off of. IIRC Warlocks are "sergeants" in Eldar squads, but that might have changed I don't play elves.

>>54050755
He can repair any <chapter> vehicle within 1''

>>54050751
If it's one of those "Starts within X but after which is treated as separate units" things then it does count as a seperate unit for kill points. Just like all the other things that used to be teamed together like Leman Russ squadrons.

>>54050238
For the first time ever I played a girl and she was actually interested in the game some. It made me curious, are there any girls in these threads hiding that they are girls?

I'm sure some are here that play.

>>54050688
There's probably some areas that overlap around realspace in the warp where the Big 4 don't have much of an influence.


What I mean, is that Emps and Gork/Mork exists partially in a separate realm of the warp powered by their respective species(or even the ork meme-field for Gork&Mork)


Given there's fluff about ordinary beings affecting the warp by sheer mass and faith/emotion(Fall of the Eldar) I wouldn't say it's impossible for a species to create a "bubble" in the warp for their god to exist in.

>>54050756
More proof that WAAC faggots are a cancer on the game and many of the major tournament scenes are in cahoots with them.

I ran a tournament this weekend and somehow confused consolidating with pile-ing in on two or three tables. Otherwise there were no issues. Lists were legal, points checked, questions answered with explanation given.

>>54050798

fuck off

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>>54050238
So is there any hope of an FAQ or should I just try to get my local guys to allow a house rule.
example:
Spartan Assault Tank is a LoW
Can't have more Relics than Non-relics in a "Detachment"
Only detachment allowing for more than 1 LoW requires 3 minimum
So now I have to bring 2 Imperial Knights or some other LoW just to bring my 1 Spartan
I'm kind of pissed

does anyone know where I can find Lias Issodon/raptors rules for 8th?

>>54050798
I saw a mom today with two kids who looked to be like 6 or 7 and she mentioned that she has paints and so on at home and wanted to get an AoS starter set for her son.

>>54050809
Found at least one of the girls.

>>54050591
First time I played Endless Crusade (which is F2P now and fun enough) I chose Leldar cause that's my main tabletop army.

Picked a Dire Avenger.

Not long into the game I got rushed by a space wolf with a chainsword and bolt pistol. That huge lumbering motherfucker sprinting at me way faster than I expected scared the ever living shit out of me.

>>54050798
>I'm sure some are here that play.
Can't say about here, but one of my local GW stores has a young lady employee who runs a Dark Eldar army and legitimately enjoys the game.

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Can somebody tell me the mm size of this guy's base please?

>>54050808
Sloppy rules and a game system that rewards spam over fluff builds is the issue. WAAC is a symptom.

>>54050798
I know of at least a few that play wargaming. Helps if your FLGS isn't full of autistic mouth-breathers who treat any female as a strange creature.

>>54050848
Is she short and blond?

Anyone know what the name is of the coming yearly update book they will release?

>>54050862
Maybe if the tournament missions helped guide players towards more balanced lists things would be better.

Instead, we get shit like this.

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>>54050665
>>Missing Primarch Geneseed brings in Femarines and sends half the fans into an autistic rage irl

>>54050819
Why? Now superheavies are mostly contained in larger games, the more restrictions for them the better imo.

>>54050870
Tall-ish lanky brunette who keeps her hair in a ponytail iirc correctly.

>>54050862
>Sloppy rules and a game system that rewards spam over fluff builds is the issue
Not him, but 8th certainly does not encourage spam builds. A good list will have to have anti-hordes, anti-MC/vehicle and snipers at the very least to be competitive.

>>54050819
Or just take two Super-heavy Auxilliary Detachments ?

>>54050783
Warlocks are HQs now, you can buy them solo or as groups from 3-10

>>54050861
1.9685 inches in diameter.

>>54050671
Cool
What makes the Patrol game fun, the only narrative I've done is the Meat Grinder

>>54050819
>"If your army is Battle-forged..."
>IF

suck it up and lose the 3CP from having a Battle-forged army or have fun running 3 LOWs.

>>54050862
Best thing to do is just restrict detachments. Brigade/battalion detachments for example.

>>54050952

0.1125 roman cubits

>>54050946
the relic rule requires no more relics than non-relics in the same detachment.

>>54051017
about the size of a frozen Orida cheesy potato au-graten slice

>>54050645
Even a "no repeat" restriction wouldn't help because you get 5 fliers in the flight detachment.

>>54050783
That sounds pretty rough for tau players. Makes taking 1 or 2 support drones in a squad a liability.

>>54050946
Except it specificies "in a Detachment" not "in an Army"
That's my argument really is that they need to change the wording so that I can do exactly what you suggest

>>54050763
Off the top of my head, no. Originally, I thought about having them be a detachment sent to guard a station that was mining the ruins of Nostromo but that seemed a bit too far gone.

I started thinking about them fitting in Ultramar as it would justify them having experience in 'bug hunts' against Tyranids, too.

Otherwise, not entirely sure where I'd put them.

>>54050829
kek

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>>54050889

Who is more desperate? The SoB players who insist a full army release is just around the corner or the Femarine 'fans' who insist femarines are just around the corner?

>>54051035
>about the size

Get out you pleb, we are giving only accurate measures ITT.

There is no room for guessestimating peasants like you.

anyone seen plasma coils painted red/ orange instead of blue?

I wanna try it on my salamanders

>>54050886
Forget scenarios. Maybe if the game had ATB/had interrupts instead of "I alphastrike you go", there were more options per unit so shooting wasn't "S5/S6 weight of fire, other units eat shit", shooting could only remove units in LOS, vehicles didn't have perfect 360 vision...

That, and losing infantry has a more immediate impact than shaving wounds off a vehicle.

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>>54050330
Yeah, that was my thinking, especially since I don't need to worry about all but the most extensive countersniping since all my characters save the Datasmith autoregen D3, and Cawl can always patch up the Datasmith. A Vindicare struggles to kill a regular Dominus even if he never fails to hit or wound.

I play a lot of Blood Angels, who are vulnerable to snipers IIRC, plus Guardsmen and Tau, with a lot of misc MEQ. Hoping I can carve up their minor buffs easily enough. Anyone actually used Arquebi? Did they do a good job of things?

Dammit, Ironstriders should have got Sniper when stationary, it would fit their fluff of slowing to a stalk, blasting enemy commanders with heavy weapons through the press of men and then sprinting off instantly way better than the ability to Advance and Snap Fire uselessly. Finally a good way to represent that awesomeness and it's ignored, dammit GW.

>>54051084
>cubits isn't so obscure it's pointless

Ok

>>54051094
The new Deathguard stuff.

>>54051094
Most chaos units paint them like that.

>>54050913
I don't mind restrictions except that I don't want to bring a bunch of LoWs
I'm looking for this --> >>54050946
>>54051058

>>54051082
Felinid anons

>>54051082
Actual SoB players know nothing is coming, though.

>>54050966
I guess I could do that.
If I'm not Battle-forged do I still get CP for taking a Legit Battalion Detachment?

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>>54050821
someone plz?

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>>54050957
Just has nice flavor. Three troops from the attacker encounter 3 units from the defender, who mobilizes reinforcements on a 3+ while the attacker is on a 4+. Then the stratagems add on to it with stuff like the attacker being able to outflank something for 2cp as they encircle the enemy force.

I'm 2 for 2 on having fun, tight games when using the narrative missions. I won this one like 7-6 on turn 6 after getting lucky with a lascannon on his ghostkeel. Looking forward to more.

>>54051105
>>54051106
So id do

Mephiston red
Wild Rider red
Flash gits yellow
White scar?

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>mfw riptides on ebay won't be getting bought

>>54051045
I think I might generally avoid them following infantry around because of that, but when it comes to XV8s they can both take more of them, and find them quite useful as ablative wounds. I'd much rather take a VP and lose some dustbin lids and keep my XV8s operational.

>>54051082
But anon, actual SoB players know they are not getting anything.

"Plastic SoB next month" has been a meme since WH codex

5 Warp Talons and 5 Raptors, 10 Warp Talons, or 10 Raptors?

>>54051151

Try checking the company that wrote the rules for them, they might have just possibly released Index books that updated their rules fucking idiot

>>54051173

10 Zerkers in rhino with sorcerer

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>>54050680
Today is busy but I assembled some Plague Marines over the weekend.

Hadn't planned on an army but I'm really tempted.

>>54051136
Yes. Just not the +3 from being BF.

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>>54051151
Other than this, its just running them as any other SM army.

>>54051160

Aside from being cheese last edition, there's little merit to them. They're too large and specific for counts-as, too many large bits for conversions of regular dudes, and now you might field one where before you'd have fielded as many as possible, so there's incredible market saturation.

Yeah, the new edition has flooded the market with something that now will have a hard time moving.

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>>54051154
Sounds awesome, I'll have to give it a try with my next game.
Yeah I stick strictly to the Narrative games with Power Levels not points. All our games have been fun and balanced with everyone having a great time.
I have my one tournament army that is 2,000pts exactly everything else I mix and match depending on the scenario to fit the fluff of it.

you have ten seconds

to prove that you are a loyalist

>>54050861
Its comparable to a old boxdread

>>54051234

FOR THE EMPEROR!

>>54051234
FOR THE EMPEROR !!

>>54051234
fuck chaos and fuck chaosniggers

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>>54051188
I like it!
What did you do, cut up the snap to fit models?
Might need to try this.

>>54051154

Where are the bases you're using for the ruined buildings from?

>>54051234
Loyalty is it's own reward.

>>54051214
As someone who has always wanted a farsight army, i welcome cheap, unpainted suits i can purchase by the dozen and paint well and then wait until they're op again and sell my less-than-perfect ones at a grossly inflated price

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>>54050804
>There's probably some areas that overlap around realspace in the warp where the Big 4 don't have much of an influence.
>What I mean, is that Emps and Gork/Mork exists partially in a separate realm of the warp powered by their respective species(or even the ork meme-field for Gork&Mork)
I just did a bit of google-fu and it looks like you're half right.

According to Lexicanium (YMMV), there's this place that's called 'the Formless Wastes' which isn't controlled by the Big 4, but Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes can make their own private realms in it if they have enough influence.

Amusingly, since Orks are the biggest race by sheer population in the galaxy, the Ork's WAAAGH! warp is probably larger than the Realm of Chaos, and is 'run' (more or less) by two Ork gods who are, quote, "strong, belligerent, and indestructible".

>>54051234
'ows dis?

>>54051234

FOR THE OMNISSIAH!

>>54051234
I miss grav bikes

>>54051219
>glueing random extra bits from the rhino kit to a cardboard box makes a half-decent 40k building
Huh.

>>54051234
i dont think spikes are cool and edgy

>>54051234
EMPRAH

CONSUME US

>>54051234
For the greater good!

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>>54050533

I knew that feel, now on the selling off crap I know I won't use phase

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>>54051234

>>54051200
thank you very much anon!

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>>54051172

Yeah I've pretty much accepted that the core of my army is going to stay the same forever and that I just need to add new Inquisition models to it to keep it fresh. Celestine and Veridyan were rare treats.

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Do Iron Warriors use daemon engines? I like the look of IW and Daemon Engines like the forgefiend, so I'm wondering if it would be fluffy to run them together.

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>>54050798

Women liking the hobby doesn't mean they'd like to be on this shithole website that actively complains about them most of the time, I imagine.

>>54051269
Anon, they are burgers.
They would literraly play on a plain green flat board if the rules didnt told them to put buildings on.

>>54051200
do you by chance know the normal point values?

>>54051305
Yes, they probably make most use of the things out of any traitor legion.

>>54051305

Yes, of course. Why wouldn't they?

>>54051269
>Huh.
Ever buy a stereo or vidya console and have remove a lot of styrofoam packaging that's been molded to keep things from rattling around inside the box?

That stuff can make for great impromptu buildings, depending on how complex it is.

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are chaos warbands just smaller groups that were part of a legion that broke off and do their own thing?

>>54051234
Thought for the day: Loyalty is Easily Abused

>>54051269
Yeah, we have some pretty cool homemade terrain at our store...our Ork camp board is epic

>>54051269

>Can't spot the chimera bits

Pleb

>>54051234
Dark Angels are gay.

>>54051326
Dunno, just read up on their fluff on Lexicanum and didn't see any mentions of Daemon Engines on the IW page and vice versa, just curious.

>>54051314
There are a few women who have posted here who play. The breeder girl, the yellow space marine girl and some girl from a south american country that got groped.

>>54051336

Partly, I think a lot of them are modern day chapters that went rogue and joined Chaos as well, hence their smaller numbers.

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>>54051317
>Average europoor "Empty" board

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>>54051317
>American "too much buildings" board

>>54051305
>IW without Defilers

wat

>>54051324
195

>>54051361
>>54051219

>old white men

How do we make 40k more inclusive?

>>54051361
Historicals are better than 40k, I don't see your point.

>>54051375
I went to a store near by and it was literally all old fat men. I felt so out of place.

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>>54050288
>First
By killing yourself and playing 7th ed with your fags

>>54051375
We paint conscripts as minorities, fags and women and veterans as straight white males of course.

>>54051394

Did you wish you were as old as them so you could fit in better?

>>54050882
No one knows?

>>54051394

My GW is pretty much all teens and 20/30somethings. The only time I've seen a lot of older people in there was the 8th launch, when it was packed.

>>54051361
Average age of sigmar table

Hey guys.
If i want to start playing Warhammer 40k, how should i start ? I know some stuff about the lore and how paint things (Gunpla builder here) but thats basicly it.

(i read 2 books, played some related games but was always too broke or too scared to put things together)

>>54051361
>comparing a historical board to a 40k one

>>54051045
Drones are one of the reasons that the ITC is using a modified Kill Point system. Instead of 1 unit = 1 kill point, 1 unit = (Power Level) kill points

>>54051408
No I just wrote it off. Not a store I want to be at.
>>54051414
My store is pretty much the same. 20/40 year olds. Some women, 1 black, 1 mexican.

>>54050819
Have you considered a supreme command detachment, and sticking some HQ in there?

>>54051317
>>54051354
>>54051361
We actually prefer a lot of terrain, the cooler looking the field the better. We don't play competitively, all our games are narrative and fluffy.
We also strictly use Power Levels so go ahead and call us names for that too
That specific board was set up for the Meat Grinder mission with a decent defense set up on 24" and a veritable no man's land on the other half.

>>54051428
What army do you want to play?

>>54051430
yeah, dont even bither puttin a green mat on their 40k tables

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>>54051219
Ooh, CawlStelan combo. How'd they do, and the Knight? Was thinking of nabbing Big C for buff purposes, or converting my own from the Heresy Archmagos, some Kataphron spares and the LoTR Spider Queen.

>>54051375
kill yourself

>>54051361
Now I want to go play more European Escalation instead of finishing my models. THANKS TG!

>>54051350
>>54051305
They use them more than any, no strangers to the concept of enslaving daemons within mechanical prisons

If you're going to play them, Heldrakes are actually a melee unit and want to go after fliers or thingd with the Fly keyword

Helbrutes are not daemon engines despite appearance but are decent now.

>>54051406
My penal legion conscripts are all prison orange uniforms and a mixture of brown/black skin tones because white people don't go to prison, jail maybe but never prison. lol

>>54051406
>minorities, gays and women are useless chaff meant to die while old white men are the best of the best, hardened warriors
Wow sweetie, racist and sexist much? :^)

>>54051403
I never said riptide wing, I just want mecha. As much mecha as I can.

do any of you guys have custom names for your nameless HQ units like chapter masters, librarians etc?

>>54051406
My Celestial Lions are blacks because that's the lore and I like their fluff even though I'm a generic white guy

>>54051375
put more blacks and women in the ads

whats could possibly go wrong?

>>54051490
That was the point silly. Only whites have the IQ and capability to survive in the grim darkness of the far future.

>>54050469
>>54050645
>>54050756

I haven't seen what lists the other two top place players were running, in what way were they illegal?

>>54051375
Because historically White Males have been the main demographic for wargaming...makes since that 30 years later all those 20 year olds are now in their 50s. I say good for them, way to stay committed to the game

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>>54051254
Thanks, I cut up a few of them, Poxwalkers too. Only had enough parts to make 6 guys but it was worth it. The guy on the left actually uses parts from 7 models and a backpack with bolter from the Dark Vengeance chosen.

>>54051553
3rd place had only one hq for the battalion detachment, 2nd place had no troop for a patrol detachment.

>>54051446
It specifies "same Battlefield Role"
So I would need 1 more non-relic LoW
Otherwise YES I would Love to do that

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>>54051254
It's always the best option. Here's my DG champ.

>>54051573
Thats a pretty blatant mistake, you'd think someone would catch that? I thought maybe he had one too many detachments or something more lowkey like that

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>>54051255
They're not quite done yet, but we actually made them ourselves. Sawed em out of some wood around the ruin then sanded it down to a smooth incline on the edges. Made some sprue rubble then sprayed it.
We just need to shade and dry brush em now.
>>54051219
Yeah I've been very impressed with the power levels for balanced narrative games.

>>54051608
>you'd think someone would catch that?
Exactly. Either most everyone at that tournament doesn't know the rules or they just don't care about following them.
Either way, not something to base judgements on the meta off of

>>54051592
They turned the nothing personnel meme into a unit. Why.

>>54051637
becaise i'll order 5 squad

>>54051462
He did really well actually...he's a pretty good player for a HS kid.
Cawl is a buff machine and was repairing wounds like crazy...my Hormagaunts were nothing to him but the genestealers put some hurting.
The Knight was a pain because he took out one of my 2 Carnifexes and my Hive Tyrant before they could get into melee. But my Burrowing Raveners and the other Carnifex started reducing wounds but we ran out of time and had to call it.
They won a major victory because they still had models on the table but it was a blast. I don't mind dying as Tyranids, it's what we do, we're bugs

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Should I buy a Barbed or Scythed heirodule?

>>54051637
They're half Eldar.

>>54051354

It's like the opposite of Infinity players, where Europeans seem to prefer simple terrain setups while Americans go overboard with partial terrain and complex setups.

>>54051503
Yup! It's what makes my guys "my guys"

>>54051594
>mfw he's a terrible neckbeard

that's awesome

Is new forgeworld indexs out , my renegade guard are on life support

>>54051450
thats the question.
There are so many cool armies out there.
I like the Blueberrys, i like Tyranids, Orks are pretty cool too. Thousand Sons are cool from a optical standpoint but im not sure if i can afford them yet.

>>54050278
I just ordered a Leviathan Dread with Grav and Siege Drill as a vacation gift from me to me. I hope it's coming the day after my vacation, as expected.

>>54051592
I read they were getting Power Swords too? I'd honestly be much more interested if they had PS instead of a combat knife, they just seem a little flimsy. I'll wait til the big kit comes out rather than the snapfit 3 bloke one.

>>54050330
>Imo Snipers are crucial in 8e.
i love librarians with jumppacks which makes defending against Smite suddenly much more difficult

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>>54051565
Very cool, definitely worth it for the outcome. You'll have to post them once they're painted. Can't wait.

>>54051636
40k hasn't had a stable meta for a really long time, simply because the rules change so often, even within the same edition! War Convo lost a lot of its power in 7e once it was FAQd that Flesh Tearers were no longer Space Uber for example.

>>54051369
thanks again anon

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>While the Adeptus Astartes know no fear, their enemies certainly do! The purpose of the Reivers is to exploit the cowardice of our enemies through the use of shock tactics and advanced training. You are unlikely to encounter any of these warriors directly, but should you find yourself face to face with a skull-faced giant in power armour in the middle of the night, welcome him with open arms – he is most likely a Reiver.

NIGHTLETS BTFO

>Reivers disrupt the hearing of the enemy with vox-amplified war cries and audio-sonic weaponry.

NOISELETS BTFO

>>54051594
I definitely need to pick up more green stuff before I start my DG

>>54051656
I don't like the sculpt for either but the Barbed one might serve you better in games.

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Is that me or is the Foetid Bloat-Drone an overcosted turd ? I mean, Jesus, 158pts for basically an upgraded Hellound ? And I use the word "uprgaded" very liberally here, since the Drone has less range.

What's even the point to get this over a Renegade Hellound ?

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So, I've been interested in getting into Warhammer for a long time, but the amount of lore and material to it was always kind of intimidating.

Where would you guys recommend I go to dip my toes in? Books? Video games? Any specific starting points would be appreciated.

>paint ogryns as niggers
>paint ratlings as chinks
>paint conscripts as spics and mullatoes
>paint veterans and commissars as white men
And this is how you make a realistic yet diverse Imperial Guard regiment!

>>54051594
Where is that combi-plasma from?

>>54051656
Barbed until the faq.
Scythed after necause autowin win Swarmlord

Might anyone have any ideas for bashing together a Hammerhead turret? It'd be cheaper for me to buy a whole new tank than buy a turret off the one person selling it on eBay.

>>54051769

DoW 1 is great and on sale on Steam

>>54051764
Fly and melee. Fly is nice for shooting, charging, falling back, and shooting again. Good for getting into range with those goop guns too.

>>54051769
grab the 2nd ed rule book and codex imperialis from the megas up top

>>54051764
I'd compare it to a dreadnaught more than a hellhound.

It has the fly keyword which is important, you can't tie it down.

It is relatively fast for a nurgle unit.

It is very tanky.

I think its pretty damn good.

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>>54050533
>tfw I have 5 armies and I've never played a single game

>>54051351

How many of them were verifiable women

>>54051769
Start with the rules, link in the OP. With some googling of any given faction or topic, you'll find the Lexicanum which has decent information on your major topics. If you like what you see, consider doing a test game with a friend, using tokens of some sort. If you like the game, consider what faction you want to get into. This should be the faction that both you like the look of the best, and which has a playstyle you enjoy. Then depending on the faction, likely pick up a Start Collecting box for them.

>>54051375
Push Celestial Lions and Sisters of Battle as the main protagonists and the only heroic, noble and compassionate factions in the setting.

>>54051448

>we

Jesus christ you're an enormous faggot. Please kill yourself and stop speaking for other people.

>>54051581
where were you when superheavy lords of war became FREAKING TAX UNITS!?

>Starting Warhammer 40k 8th Edition with Eldar.
>Planning 1,500 pt Army.

Prices of everything
>Models - $500
>Paints - $200
>Battlefoam Bag - $200
>Various Forgeworld Recasts - $200

shit this is fucking expensive.

>>54051831
He's talking about his gaming group you mong

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>>54051633
I know it's almost like that's what GW intended, turning the over-competitive tone of their game into a fun fluff based game.
PL and Narrative fits like a glove and is so much fun.
I get some people only play to compete and hey, to each their own, points and matched play scenarios go hand in hand, it works.
I do like that I can play 40k how I want to play now, no more #notmy40k

>>54051837

Other hobbies can be around as expensive. Still, yes, it is.

>>54051837
If you find any aspect of any hobby too expensive for you then maybe it isn't the right hobby.

>>54051781
I'm missing something, what's that?

Is there any reason to ever take a Chaos Lord over a Lord of Contagion

>>54051592
Why are his legs so short?

>>54051837
If you're just getting into it, maybe start small?

>>54051746
>*** If you end up with permanent irreparable loss of hearing, worry not! There are exciting roles in the Astra Militarum just for you. For more information, please consult uplifting pamphlet 114//c: “You What? – The Artillery Crewman’s Guide to Sign Language”.
kek. regimental standard might be one of the best things GW has ever done.

>>54051837
Don't buy all at once. Else you'll just stare at the massive pile of plastic that is your backlog and just get demotivated.

>>54051866
Rerolling ones aura, Lord on Bike, Lord on Steed, Lord with jump pack, Lord takes one less space on transports.

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/tg/ I have 20 SoS and no idea what to do with them. Is there anything I can run them as or with?

>>54051433
>>54051165
The adjusted killpoints is interesting. Might look into that. My tau friend is a chill bro who has never been cheese, I might house rule something to avoid penalizing him. Maybe just have upgrade drones be non scoring but also non killpoints.

>>54051781
Why need FAQ?

>>54051746
>>Reivers disrupt the hearing of the enemy with vox-amplified war cries and audio-sonic weaponry.
huh, so they're howlingbanshees+scouts+night lords?
neat

>>54051653
Yeah, I've known some pretty brutal players who are still in school. There's one here with an Unending Host with Nurgle backup that's been systematically kicking the crap out of my Admech for a year. Fucking respawning melta backed with Daemon Knight smashing all my boops and with 2+ cover because Shrouded. Always really fun though, slaughtering hordes is fun.

Good to hear my boops aren't useless vs. Hordes, I'll need them for the five Tyranid players here.

I always loved playing people who decided to fluff their armies as TEH BEST EVER SNOWFLAKES and load them down with fancy characters like Guilliman. It's the Mechanicus, my Archmagos's only snowflake trait is respawning and everything else in my army is expendable as all hell. Played a 5k for my last 7e game, Admech and Nids vs an unholy UM/DW/GK/Knight mix with Guilliman, and we could have lost both our armies six hundred times over and if we'd killed a couple units it would be worth it because of how wanked Space Marines are.

Nid Guy wound up tenderizing Guilliman with a crowd of Genestealers while I went all Titanfall on both Knights with Holy Requisitioner and Kastelans munched the GK, it would take the Imperium centuries to recover that even if we hadn't just killed a Primarch.

So there's a store near here that had a rule for tournaments it ran, that gave any units which were purchased at the store Preferred Enemy against the opposing army.

I wonder if they're going to keep that shit up for 8th edition.

>>54051865
Swarmlord torpedo?

>>54051919
I suggest running them as sisters of silence, anon-kun.

That'll be $500 for the advice, plus $500 administration fee.
>t. consultant

>>54051919
Convert into sisters of battle, or use as SoS

>>54051886
I miss the 4e Ork Codex fluff. Grots on Big Gun duty eventually have to resort to primitive form of sign language, though this is inefficient because there are only so many signs a Grot can carry.

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment
+ Lord of War
KV128 Stormsurge [22 PL, 493pts]: 2x Burst cannon [20pts], Cluster rocket system [61pts], Counterfire defence system [5pts], 4x Destroyer missile [40pts], Pulse driver cannon [97pts], Shield generator [40pts], 2x Smart missile system [40pts], Velocity tracker [10pts]
++ Battalion Detachment +3CP[81 PL, 1507pts]
+ HQ
Cadre Fireblade [3 PL, 62pts]: Markerlight [3pts], 2x MV7 Marker Drone [20pts]
Commander in XV86 Coldstar Battlesuit [8 PL, 166pts]: Advanced targeting system [8pts], High-output burst cannon [20pts], Missile pod [24pts], 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts], Shield generator [8pts]
+ Troops
Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]
Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]
Strike Team [3 PL, 40pts]: 5x Fire Warrior w/ Pulse Rifle [40pts]
+ Elites
XV104 Riptide Battlesuit [17 PL, 306pts]: 2x Plasma rifle [22pts], Advanced targeting system [8pts], Heavy burst cannon [55pts], Target lock [12pts]
XV25 Stealth Battlesuits [7 PL, 119pts]: 2x MV4 Shield Drone [16pts]
. 2x Stealth Shas'ui w/o support system [60pts]: 2x Burst cannon [20pts]
. Stealth Shas'vre [43pts]: Fusion blaster [21pts], Velocity tracker [2pts]
XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit [10 PL, 240pts]: 2x Fusion blaster [42pts], Fusion collider [44pts], 2x MV5 Stealth Drone [20pts], Shield generator [40pts], Target lock [12pts]
+ Fast Attack
Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]
Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]
Pathfinder Team [3 PL, 40pts]
. 5x Pathfinder [40pts]: 5x Markerlight [15pts]
+ Heavy Support
XV88 Broadside Battlesuits [18 PL, 374pts]
. Broadside Shas'ui [9 PL, 183pts]: 2x Smart missile system [40pts], Heavy rail rifle [63pts]
. Broadside Shas'vre [9 PL, 191pts]: 2x Smart missile system [40pts], Heavy rail rifle [63pts], Shield generator [8pts]
[103 PL, 2000pts]
>>54051919
FemTodes.

>>54050671
>Two full painted armies INCLUDING Riptides
Excuse me spaceman, what reality do you hail from and how do I enter it?

>>54051831
>>54051842
Yeah was referring to the 6-7 guys that all play together on Thur. and Sun. at our local store.
You should calm down dude, no reason to rage like that

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>>54051835
This!!!

I can't decide which chaos legion to collect.

My only real constraint is I want them to footslog, so Iron Warriors are pretty much out.

>>54051764
Toughness 7, 10 Wounds, 5+ Invulnerable save, ignores wounds on a 5 or 6, two upgraded flamers (Range 9, S6, AP-1, auto-hit, reroll wound results of 1), and it flies.

anybody have the pages for the Orca and/or Technical Drone from the FW Xenos Index?

>>54051959
Yeah, haven't heard that particular gimmick, I'm guessing it's cheesy and only for WAACfags but I'm still curious

>>54051780
I don't know to be honest, I bought it from bitzbox.

>>54051837
>>Paints - $200
>>Battlefoam Bag - $200
How the fuck did you manage that price on paints? You basically need 1 primer color and a few pots for the rest
Also battlefoam is a trap. Get the foam, not their bags. Find something else to put the foam in that's sturdy.

>>54051991
>I miss the 4e Ork Codex fluff. Grots on Big Gun duty eventually have to resort to primitive form of sign language, though this is inefficient because there are only so many signs a Grot can carry.
>implying that bit of fluff isn't canon anymore because it wasn't mentioned in later editions
You're being silly anon.

>>54051959
>Swarmlord torpedo?
I read the words "Swarmlord torpedo" and imagined Swarmy getting captured by some Orks on Octarius and then used as ammo for a gigantic kannon against a bio-titan or something. And said kannon would be manned by the sassiest Grots in the galaxy.

>>54052047
Iron warriors are historically the masters of siege and trench warfare. Making them all about transports isn't 100% on theme. Use tanks in artillery rolls instead and you're not far off.

That said, Black Legion because they're the most iconic, but I would wait for some new Slaanesh minis personally and focus on them

What are Blight Launchers are supposed to look like ? I see them as weapon options for Plague Marines but never saw one.

>>54052047

Lad, Iron Warriors footslog all the time how else do you think they storm fortress walls? If you do it with a screen of slaves/cultists acting as bullet sponges even better.

>>54052107
Feldherr has some nice bags. 60€ for a huge bag that holds 108 infantry units and a few tanks/monsters, or just mix and match what you need.

>>54052131
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/25/new-primaris-space-marines-and-death-guard-announced/

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>>54052090
Not quite. You use Swarmlord to give it a free move, then hit it with Onslaught. It Moves 36" then charges.

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>>54051954
Very cool, I love big games every now and then

>>54052025
The burst cannons should be an airburster, but otherwise it's not a huge deal
Take an advanced targeting system instead of the velocity tracker

You could use more fire warriors

Give the stealth suits with burst cannons advanced targeting systems, they don't need shield drones

The broadsides should have plasma rifles, also put shield drones down, not shield generators.

Consider dropping the stealthsuits as they aren't really needed considering your composition.

>>54052163
whats the advantage of airburst vs cannon?

After being gone for several days, I'm now back and slowly making work on my queue. I managed to complete the Ministorum (including SoB) damage-calcs last night, and will shortly begin work on their cost-calcs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing

>>54052090
The swarmlord can give one nid unit the ability to move/advance in the shooting phase instead of firing. Been done often with Trygons showing up at the end of movement phase and moving them in to a better/guaranteed charge position. Or genestealers who can advance in the movement phase, advance in the shooting phase, and still charge. Whatevez

>>54052180
Airburst can ignore LoS.

>>54051375
KYS

I think I know why 8th is bothering me so much.

I always imagined an ideal 40k game as an updated/scaled up Gorkamorka, with boarding actions, vehicles ramming each other aside, and general mobility and chaos.

That 8th makes them rules-equivalent to infantry just bothers me way too much.

>>54052163
>Give the stealth suits with burst cannons advanced targeting systems, they don't need shield drones
Is that a good use of 16 points? I think 2 drones would probably do more damage than 2 ATS...

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>>54052154
Wow...that's insane

>>54052129
>>54052140

I thought Iron Warriors were all about mechanized stuff?

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Anyone using dials for wound counters, or some other solution? These things look grear

>>54052090
Have you been living under a rock? We've known about this since the faction focus preview articles. It's not a gimmick it's the Swarmlords whole schtick as a special character.

>>54052180
It gives you potentially more shots and the ability to shoot things outside of LOS. Has one point less str, but as tau you already str 5 for days.

>>54052148
This fellow ? Looks neat.

Does that mean I have to buy two of these three dudes sets if I want to have 2 in my squad ?

>>54052208
They are, but you're mixing up tanks and mech stuff with rapid armoured assault which they are not, despite people playing them that way sometimes

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Emailed Forge World over the weekend about the Tau flier that can't fire it's gun. They emailed me back today.

Since /wip/ wont give me an answer
Can i use Macragge blue as an undercoat, or do i need to undercoat it with a proper primer first?

>>54052208
Artillery and sieges with lots of twenty man tactical blobs Riding the Ironfire.

>>54052199
Stealth suits have two wounds, are harder to hit and can basically apply damage turn one. Added -1 ap to their burst cannons turns them into wrecking balls vs infantry. Well worth the points, especially if there's a single markerlight on the target.

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>>54052148
>>54052236
Forget my pic

>>54052208
>>54052237
I play nothing but iron warriors (inc 30k) and I own one rhino in dozens of vehicles

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>>54052188
Hadn't even noticed that, don't have a Swarmlord...thinking it might be worth while to get one though

>>54050861
40mm

>>54050238
Why does GW hate the AS?

>>54052246
You can use it by itself but it may take two light coats to get the right colour. If you do black first and then one coat of blue it also works very well.

>>54052213
Yeah I missed it somehow
>>54052262 (me)

Is it just me or are Inquisitorial Acolytes fucking amazing with the right Quarry?

4+ with re-roll is better than a 3+ and re-rolling wounds helps guarantee your plasma/melta shots and powersword attacks. Each model has W3 A2 and can tank hits for their boss. All at the low price of 8pts without wargear. You get a lot of mileage for 2pts more than a Guard vet.

Driving them in in a transport for a plasma/melta/power party sounds fun

Of course Quarry is quite limiting, but still.

>>54052245
Those poor customer support people. Whilst the rules makers are in the back sniffing markers and spinning in chairs, they are left to deal with the bullshit.

>>54052163
>drop the stealth suits
>for more infantry
I added 1 more to each squad with the freed points. How many more are we talking about?

>>54051991
brb gonna go read my 4th ed codex

>>54052263
It's 50mm you dunce

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>>54052245
THANK YOU!!!!!

>>54052294

Breaking news, an army with rules that counters another is good against that army.

>>54052257
Just wait for the inevitable proper 5man box set with all weapon options. I'll be getting one of these, no more, and that champion is getting a whole new top half.

>>54052236
>>54052257
You could.

I'm still waiting for the real Death Guard release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceinBiT9jQ

>>54052270
Because they are patriarchal shitlords

>>54052262
They're great but expensive and you'll want tyrant guard as well so that's another heavy points investment.

A malanthrope is a good option as well, as it's -1 to hit aura works on monsters as well, unlike the venomthrope aura which only affects infantry. He's a huge target

>>54051234
Ave dominus nox

>>54052294
Unless your opponent is Imperial or going full unbound cross-faction shenanigans, Quarry is a perfectly flexible rule. And as you said, even without the rule they are great against Imperial armies with the right support.

>>54052331
Tau are supposedly the third release, and its them that I'm waiting for.

And the Tau version of the "Imperial Agents" style codex for Auxiliaries.

>>54052312
I prefer to have around 10 in each FW squad, however I would recommend 6 in each pathfinder squad for easier markerlight application.

FW are very cheap for their damage output, and since team leaders are free... why not?

Am I missing something, or are Ratlings ridiculously good for their points when compared to other snipers? It's not like you expect your snipers to hold up in CC and you can get double to quadruple the amount of them.

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>>54052360
>Tau are supposedly the third release
>last updated less than 2 years ago
>he actually believes this

>>54052197
Shit always has to be sacrificed the further up on scale you go, if you want your game capable of being finished in a reasonable amount of time.

>>54052326
Yeah, but Quarry is even better value than Grey Knights wounding easier against Daemons. The Quarry choices are broader and it affects hitting, not just wounding.

>>54051592

....ok GW....come the fuck on

That "knife" in the picture might as well be a sword, not to mention being a few times biger than the one modeled.

Also, I don't have that comparison image to the eldar and chaplain skullfaces, but that depicts their masks being as detailed as the librarians'.

I was indifferent on these guys before, but now I'm put off by this laziness

>>54052390
Ratlings are wounded on 2+ by bolters and only get a 4+ cover save.

You get 3 ratlings for each scout with a sniper rifle and camo, but that scout is T4 with a 2+ save, and is also a troop choice.

Ratlings are good for massed sniper fire but a guy with a storm bolter is going to wipe the squad.

>>54052047
Iron Warriors are the footslogging legion tho.

Their whole thing is artillerying the shit out of everything and then marching over it with hordes basic marines.

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if I only have one predator

Autocannon + 2 lascannon predator or quad lascannon predator

>>54052344
I've got both of those so that should work out great. Thanks!

>>54052253
>Riding the Ironfire.

awwwwww yis

OK, I'm still tinkering with my 2000pts DG army, I think I'm at a pretty good spot right now, the goal is to make a both fluffy yet strong list. I'm still looking for feedback.

HQ
Typhus – 164pts
Winged Daemon Prince of Chaos – x2 Chaos Talons, Mark of Nurgle - 180pts
Necrosius - 120pts

TROOPS
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x10 Renegade Militia – Covenant of Nurgle, Missile Launcher Team – 60pts
x10 Renegade Militia – Covenant of Nurgle, Missile Launcher Team – 60pts
x10 Renegade Militia – Covenant of Nurgle, Missile Launcher Team – 60pts


ELITE
Renegade Enforcer – 30pts
x10 Renegade Disciples – Covenant of Nurgle, Lascannon Team – 80pts
x9 Plague Marines – x2 Blight Launchers - 217pts

FAST ATTACK
Foetid Bloat-drone - 158pts
Armored Sentinel – Plasma Cannon - 55pts
Armored Sentinel – Plasma Cannon - 55pts


HEAVY SUPPORT
Chaos Predator – x2 Lascannons, Twin-linked Lascannon - 202pts
Armageddon Pattern Medusa – 103pts
Wyvern – Heavy Bolter – 93pts

What do you think ?

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>>54052416
>Thinks the best selling Xenos won't get their dex soon

>>54052486
Why are Plague marines elite?

>>54050683
The 'increased size' thing is literally just the models.
Stop listening to the endless chad v manlet shitposting.
>inb4 muh manlet detected

>>54052516

>t.manlet

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How's this look for 1000 points of dark angels to start off with? Patrol detachment, in case it wasn't obvious.

Librarian (force sword) - 105
>can join either tac squad, basically there for Smite & Aversion

8 Tacs (meltagun, combimelta & power sword) - 144
Rhino (2 storm bolters) - 74

10 Tacs (plasmagun, lascannon, combiplasma & power sword) - 187

3 Black knights (3 plasma talon, 2 corvus hammer, power sword & meltabombs) - 159

Land speeder vengeance (assault cannon) - 143

Dark talon - 188

>Total - 1000 exactly

>>54052246
Use the macragge blue spray but then give it one thin coat of paint too

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>>54052360
Tbh no idea how accurate this is.

The SOB as 3rd wave makes me worried about its validity.

>>54051375
>How do we make 40k more inclusive?
we don't. we're creating instead niches to EXCLUDE all the people who harp about inclusivity because they're all -to a man/woman- holier-than-thou types.

>>54052513
These are "generic" Plague Marines, not DG ones. I needed an extra Elite slot to meet the Brigade requirements

>>54052471
Take it from someone who's only played nids since he started in 2e; enjoy the good times while they last

>>54052195
>>54052225
well i was just thinking about the random number of shots and how luck is fickle

but i guess it depends on how much anti-los terrain is on the board

>>54052245

Neat, so it can fire its Titanic killer twice at BS3+ and at 2+ reroll 1s if you tag with MLs.

Meaning you'll likely hit and wound twice each time. Inflicting average 28 wounds at AP-5 against anything titanic
Not too bad for a ~550 pts unit

>>54052360
Third for what? Codex?

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>>54051406
best post of the thread

>>54052557
So then they don't benefit from typhus's thing, that's dumb.

>>54052548
They already have the muh greater good space marxists if they want to be indentitarian fags

>>54051200
Stop spoonfeeding the morons.