/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>>54009518
I am building 15mm modern terrain for some Force on Force. Does anyone have any good pictures of 15mm modern stuff?

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>>54009538

>>54009538
You might want to try over at /fowg/, since 15mm is all they're about usually.

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>>54008896
Thanks for starting new thread. I've been AFK all day and certainly didn't expect thread to die so swiftly, that's like only the third time it's ever happened. Must be because of busy Sunday. Anyway, I'll post what I had prepared.

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead

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June the 26th in military history:

363 – Roman Emperor Julian is killed during the retreat from the Sassanid Empire. General Jovian is proclaimed Emperor by the troops on the battlefield.
1243 – Mongols defeat the Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Köse Dağ.
1460 – Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, and Edward, Earl of March, land in England with a rebel army and march on London.
1522 – Ottomans begin the second Siege of Rhodes.
1723 – After a siege and bombardment by cannon, Baku surrenders to the Russians.
1740 – A combined force Spanish, free blacks and allied Indians defeat a British garrison at the Siege of Fort Mose near St. Augustine during the War of Jenkins' Ear.
1794 – French Revolutionary Wars: Battle of Fleurus marked the first successful military use of aircraft.
1848 – End of the June Days Uprising in Paris.
1857 – The first investiture of the Victoria Cross in Hyde Park, London.
1917 – The first U.S. troops arrive in France to fight alongside Britain and France against Germany in World War I.
1918 – World War I, Western Front: Battle for Belleau Wood ends.
1936 – Initial flight of the Focke-Wulf Fw 61, the first practical helicopter.
1940 – World War II: Under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Soviet Union presents an ultimatum to Romania requiring it to cede Bessarabia and the northern part of Bukovina.
1941 – World War II: Soviet planes bomb Kassa, Hungary (now Košice, Slovakia), giving Hungary the impetus to declare war the next day.
1942 – The first flight of the Grumman F6F Hellcat.
1944 – World War II: The Battle of Osuchy in Osuchy, Poland, one of the largest battles between Nazi Germany and Polish resistance forces, ends with the defeat of the latter.
1948 – The Western Allies begin an airlift to Berlin after the Soviet Union blockades West Berlin.
1991 – Ten-Day War: The Yugoslav people's army begins the Ten-Day War in Slovenia.

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Today marks 223 years since the Battle of Fleurus, a major engagement between the army of the First French Republic and the Coalition Army (Great Britain, Hanover, Dutch Republic, and Habsburg Monarchy), in the most decisive battle in the Low Countries during the French Revolutionary Wars. Both sides had forces in the area numbering in the vicinity of 80,000 men, but the French were able to more effectively concentrate their troops in order to achieve victory. The Allied defeat led to the permanent loss of the Austrian Netherlands and to the destruction of the Dutch Republic. The battle marked a turning point for the French army which afterwards remained ascendant throughout the rest of the War of the First Coalition. The French use of the reconnaissance balloon l'Entreprenant marked the first military use of an aircraft that had influence on the outcome of the battle.

The Austrian commander, Feldmarschall Coburg, split his army into five columns and launched the main attack. l'Entreprenant, operated by the Aerostatic Corps, continuously informed General Jourdan about Austrian movements. The Austrians managed to break through both French wings, pushing back Marceau on the right wing and Montaigu on the left wing. But the French center under Lefebvre held and then counterattacked, and the Austrian assault petered out. Colonel Nicolas Soult, then serving as Lefebvre's Chief of staff, wrote that it was, "fifteen hours of the most desperate fighting I ever saw in my life."

Coburg neglected to press on and, uncertain of the outcome, the Austrian commander lost his nerve and fell back to Braine-l'Alleud and Waterloo, granting the French an unexpected victory. This was the final straw that caused the allies to retire back over the Rhine, leaving the French free rein in Belgium and the Netherlands.

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>>54010075
It is generally agreed that the battle was a costly one for the French, with casualties estimated between five and six thousand. The Allied losses have always been in dispute. Traditional estimates attribute "considerable casualties" to Coburg's army, and hover near five thousand Allied killed and wounded. However, according to historian Digby Smith, Austrian-Dutch losses numbered 208 killed, 1,017 wounded, and 361 captured. In addition, the French captured one mortar, three caissons, and one standard, while the Austrians captured one cannon and one standard.

The victory precipitated a full Allied withdrawal from Belgium and allowed French forces to push north into the Netherlands. By the end of 1795, the Dutch Republic was extinguished. After Fleurus, the republican army would keep its momentum in the war, staying on the offensive until its eventual victory against the First Coalition in 1797. Politically, the battle invalidated the argument that continuation of the revolutionary Reign of Terror was necessary because of the military threat to France's very existence. Thus, some would argue, victory at Fleurus was a leading cause of the Thermidorian Reaction a month later.

As one of the grandest battles of the Revolution, Fleurus has a lot of colour and variety on a pretty epic scale, in the best tradition of 18th-century warfare. The use of the balloon adds an interesting element, finally giving a good justification for the wargamer's "eye of God"!

http://www.mediafire.com/download/00wws1c80x80gww/Haythornthwaite+-+Uniforms+Of+The+French+Revolutionary+Wars.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3kbqyru9vdlnkfm/Osprey+-+MAA+403+-+French+Revolutionary+Infantry+1789-1802.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8kbbvdb63tddbpz/Osprey+-+WAR+024+-+Austrian+Grenadiers+and+Infantry+1788-1816.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sr8goevlix2b2b5/Osprey+-+WAR+063+-+French+Revolutionary+Infantryman+1791-1802.pdf

>>54010034
You really should train someone on how to do your job anon, what if you die suddenly?

Who will pick up the slack?

>>54011109

We need to make it more compact so someone can just copy and paste the OP.

I love the perry war of the roses minis, what are some good skirmish level games for that period?

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A few F-4s and MiG-21s painted for Missile Threat (this modern air combat game I'm working on)
Almost at the stage where I can start play-testing. Yes I have pipe-cleaner missiles.
Also waiting on decals so no tiny stars yet.

>>54011228

> Sticks neck out.

Lion Rampant?

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Are we getting a bolt action WWI adaptation?

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>>54011289
There already is an unofficial one. Quite a few people seem to play it too.

>>54011362

I did a bit of background searching and apparently one was planned for September 2015 but it was scrapped because of a lack of interest.

Bit of a shame really, WWI is rare to see and even rarer in 28mm platoon sized games.

>>54011445
This should give you everything you need:
http://www.gajominis.com/blog/scenarios/bolt_action_ww1.pdf

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>>54011731

Thanks that's great.

I still hope Warlord decides to pick the period back up again one day.

Until then I'll use these and Renegade's 1918 collection.

Anyone has other Battlgroup books like Barbarossa, Blitzkrieg etc. that are not in the OP link...?

>>54011445
>because of a lack of interest
>let's just make more plastic Germans then!

>>54012908
that meme gets old fast when like the 10 last releases were non-german plastic kits

>>54012997
Don't worry, the next one will be plastic Waffen SS.

Also, we were talking about 2015 September.

>>54013006
About time.

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WWII: Operation WhiteBox is a roleplaying game of WWII special forces action designed for compatibility with the Swords & Wizardry WhiteBox roleplaying game.

In WWII: Operation WhiteBox, the player characters (PCs) play the role of WWII special forces operatives. They may be formally trained and part of an officially designated special forces unit such as the SAS or U.S. Army Airborne, or they may simply be guerilla fighters dedicated to making life hard for the German Army. They may also be covert agents working for organizations such as the SOE or OSS. Whatever their affiliation, their job is to complete missions behind enemy lines, paving the way for the next Allied advance.

mega.nz
/#F!nlVkzaaI!DJpMkMnq-2Ax-PLiRvUgjg

>>54013154
No option to play as axies?

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>>54013170
The system is basic enough to cover any unit you like, but the Brandenburgers and friends do get a special mention

>>54013195
Huh, neat. I'm not huge on old-school d20, but this isn't bad at all.

>>54013154
Thank you! I'm always looking around for interesting ww2 rpg's GURPS (although excellent) can become quite a hassle at sometimes.

>>54011228
Chevauchee!

>>54013154
Why is everyone screaming?

>>54014795
War is loud

>>54014795
>Why is everyone screaming?
From right to left:
"AHHH! My friend died!"
"EWW, this is GROSS!"
"He's already dead! So go ahead and FIX MY GOD DAMN WRIST!"

>>54014882
On second thought, fix number one to "Now I'll never get my MONEY!"

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>>54014795
WHAT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO?!

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>>54011228
Lords and servants, which is just about to get its second edition.

>>54011731
Thanks for this, Anon. Just what I was looking for.

>>54012908

I feel for them a bit since I get the impression Warlord isn't rolling in cash but since they've gone to the trouble of making all the WWI tank kits you'd have thought it would be more cost effective to release an infantry kit and a book so people could use them.

>>54018102
>isn't rolling in cash
>make plastic figures for a sci-fi game with a somewhat low market

>>54019089
Antares was a mistake

>>54020195
Antares would be cool if they actually made good figures, right now most are just alright. The Ghar and Boromites are cool but the other more humanlike figures have odd or bad poses. The Freeborn just look horrible.

What's a good easy and cheap way to make 25mm bases?

>>54021748
Go to Aliexpress and order 100 of them for 8$.

>>54021748
>>54021766

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25mm-Circle-Round-Bases-in-Laser-Cut-2mm-MDF-/361509617648?var=&hash=item542ba6fff0:m:m8uh_D1HxcW8XQ7KlqlhuNA

>>54014912
I SAY

>>54021748
Redenia does 52 stone road ones for $10. Australian.

Has anyone played Mortam et Gloriam?

M113

>>54029274
these are the wargames factory sprues for persian infantry. really shitty quality, but its amazing how a good paintjob makes them look great.

Anybody played this? http://audatiagame.com/

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>>54030198
I saw something about that in the Song Of Swords General recently, it looked cool

Any tips on filing down the helmets on 1/72 plastic soldiers? I'm a total begginner at this. Using an old nail file doing circular motions on it but it doesn't really seem like I'm achieving anything.

>>54030904
For 1/72 I usually use a sharp craft knife / stanley knife. Carefully trim off the raised area you want to remove. Cut as close as you can to the actual surface without cutting into it. Filing or sanding can leave you with a rough edge, while cutting gives a smooth one.

Paint will cover a multitude of sins, so don't worry too much!

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since my FLGS can't stock Vallejo and I don't want to ship, I'm gonna have to use these babies for Brits instead of English and Russian camo respectively. Zandri Dust will also be involved. Thoughts?

>>54031675
>don't want to ship
As someone who doesn't have an FLGS or a Vallejo stockist within 200km of him, I'm somewhat annoyed. Order the correct paints and don't be a cheapskate, in the longer run it'll pay off.

>>54015281
>Lords and servants
God I need an excuse to get me some perry WotR minis, they're beautiful, I love how everyone is in heavy armor aaaaargh

>>54021748
2p coins if you are in the UK, if foreign look at foreign coins. All of my 28mm figs are based on 1p coins.

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Which one of you sneaked into the thread?

>>54013006
Wait really? Source?

>>54032996
they showed greens at the last salute i think. plastic king tiger too

>>54033006
Any pics? I thought those were for Konlikt 47.

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>>54033015

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>>54033028
Fantastic. Glad to know I won't need to use German grenadiers anymore.

>>54033055
whats wrong with the Grenadiers?

>>54033065
Doesn't really represent the SS smock in the way I'd like. It's a nice kit and does the job to a degree, but a dedicated kit is also nice to have.

>>54033077
True. Plastic minis with smock will be handy to mix them.

>>54031820
Intermittently working on some myself, am hoping I can use them to distract people from 40k for a moment or two. I can't help but want to build more than I need though, gotta have all the options...

>>54031921
1p is 20.9mm, 2p is 25.9mm, and this pisses me right the fuck off. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT. 1mm less would make both bloody perfect.

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So the huge difference in price between 28mm and 10mm is really grabbing my interest. Can any kind anons suggest a good ruleset for 10mm World War I?

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>>54034493
>a good ruleset for 10mm World War I?
It's ancient now but there's GDW's Over The Top, which was designed for 6mm thru 15mm. More recently there's Great War Spearhead. We have the former in our folders but sadly not the latter.

There is also Contemptible Little Armies (which we have) but I think it was designed for 28mm. Might be worth a look nonetheless.

>>54034493
Great War Spearhead 2 sounds really good. I have a hardcopy on the way, but they sell it in PDF too.

Are there anymore Battlegroup scans than just those in the OP? I'm looking for Battlegroup Barbarossa and Battlegroup Blitzkrieg.

>>54035037
M8, why the fuck do you ask it every thread? If there is, it'll be uploaded to somewhere and added to the folder.

>>54030198
Not a big fan of Guy Windsor but it looks cool.

>>54034493
Westfront, Raging empires.
There's one just called "WW1 Wargame Rules" which looks pretty solid, although its older.

They should all be in the OP mediafire folders

>>54030217
Jesus that is dope, sauce?

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>>54032400
Me because that fucker was wrong. Napoleon was outnumbered in most of his famous battles and yet loses less men than the armies he is facing. The strength of the levee-en-masse did not lay it it's huge numbers, it lay in the morale of the soldiers and flexibility it gave the officer corps to recruit from the ranks.

Just look at some numbers.
>Austerlitz
Napoopan outnumbered by 10.000 men, loses 20.000 men less than the enemy.
>Jena-Auersted
Napoopan outnumbered by more then 40.000 men. 20.000 losses less
>Wagram
Outnumbered by 30.000
Losses a couple of thousand less then the Austrian losses.
>Leipzig
Outnumbered 1-2, Allies suffer 30.000 casualties more.

Napoleon fought hard and smart.
Except at waterloo
He hardly ever relied on manpower (when he did in Russia he famously fucked it up).

>>54039126
How can you use "than" correctly in a sentence, then fuck it up two lines later?

>>54039126
>Except at waterloo
And Borodino. Wtf happened?
Inb4 kidney stones or other illnesses.

>>54039126
Ok, also.
Austerlitz was really a defensive battle in which he counterattacked.

Jena was the battle at which Napoleon commanded and there he was only outnumbered by about half of that, Davout at Auerstadt really pulled the miracle there.

Wagram was fought on a large flat field in which a huge concentration of artillery guaranteed that both sides were going to take large losses, and whoever's will held longest would win. Napoleon was hardly a stellar general here.

Leipzig was a PURELY defensive battle, hence the larger allied losses. (similar at Dresden, which was still a remarkable victory.

Napoleon campaigned STRATEGICALLY aggressively to put his opponent in a situation where they would have to defend untenable areas, or even attack him. He was not really any more successful on the attack than other "good" generals of his day on the tactical battlefield, see Waterloo, Borodino, the bloodbaths at Wagram.

Napoleon's early campaigns in Italy and 1805-1806 (whilst armies were still small enough for him to micromanage, and opposing armies still hadn't embraced army reforms in his model) have really gone a long way to disguising a lot of mediocre performances, Eylau (in the snow), Borodino, Waterloo. Napoleon had his share of tactical "ducks".

I'm not arguing here that Napoleon wasn't a great (if not the greatest) commander, but I would strongly argue that his genius was in Strategic and Operational scale, tactically he was above average but certainly remarkably often unimaginative. Almost all of his campaigns were excellent strategically, except for the highly perplexing decision making in the 1812 Russian Campaign.

>>54039516
>but I would strongly argue that his genius was in Strategic and Operational scale,
I'm the biggest Napoopanboo you will ever meet and I agree wholeheartedly

>>54033055
>that pic
>that video
>the old lady calling americans and obama a bunch of cock suckers

topkek. Also >>54033006 plastic british airborne who look pretty sexy imo

>>54033028
Definitely picking them up for my 33rd SS.

>>54040267

I thought we already had plastic para's?

Got my 1/72 VBL from Model MIniatures, gonna build that next week hopefully. Also got a set of 5 dudes who are significantly out of scale with the rest of my Elhiem french. Amusingly the FAMAS is pretty much identically sized between the two.

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>>54038407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn36Pb8z3yI

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anyone know of a good supplier of 28mm landing craft crew?

Also a good source for markings and camoflage on LVTs?

Pic related.

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HIND & SEEK Discount Printed Titles - $8 instead of $14

Use this link:
http://www.wargamevault.com/browse.php?discount=92f9890dad

Ideally this is for those of you who bought the PDF and would like the printed version, but I can't really stop you if you want to buy it. If someone misses out, just let me know and I will add another discount or two.

There are only 5 discounted books available, for /hwg/ only.

Enjoy and happy gaming.

>>54043836
ta, I just bought one. i previously bought the pdf

>>54044487
also,

>Order Contents: £6.24
>Shipping (Royal Mail 2nd Class): £4.36

Still got nothing on what they charge to ship cards, but then IIRC they're only printed in America.

>>54044497
They have printers in UK and US iirc. I would think cards would be cheaper to ship but I've never ordered any from them.

>>54044548
They do print stuff in the UK, just not the cards, which makes it awfully hard to justify just picking up a deck or two. IIRC the shipping is awkward because thin books are cheaper to ship than thicker blocks of non-books.

>>54039169
I know its a shitty excuse but I have dyslexia, I fuck shit up all the time in my native tongue

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I'm painting up some Napoleonic French line infantry from Warlord and I on every sprue there's a head with a chef's hat on. What kind of guy wore that hat? Can't find a picture of it now so here's a picture of Napoleon instead

>>54046312
Guess you mean the foraging cap.

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I was meaning to put my 1/72 figures on individual 25mm bases. The plan seemed all and well until I noticed the fact these guys are way too long for that. The MG measures at ~26mm and the K98 is about 28. What base do you guys recommend for using them in skirmish games?

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>>54046312
>>54046357
Looking through some Warlord pics I think anon might be describing the pokalem, as seen on the figure second from right in pic related. It was the French forage cap and the successor to the bonnet de police, which looks more like the classic nightcap.

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>>54046494
I made bases from plasticard with a plotter.

Are you the Hungarian anon I've talked to in email, or a different gentleman doing 1:72s?

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>>54046507
>>54046357
Thanks guys

>>54046515
The Hungarian anon. Getting better with the knife for removing flash. Also after looking through silverland's website for the 3rd time now I noticed they do sell 25mm bases so I'm going to pick some up next week.

>>54046687
I'll make a care package for you and drop in some of my bases.

Silverland has lots of nice stuff, they have the entire PSC catalogue in stock and can order whatever you want, same for Armourfast.

>>54009555
>>54011362
>>54011932
God damn WW1 is so aesthetic. Makes me wish I had some minis

>>54046718
Thanks, drop me an email then sometime.

I see that their range is pretty good but their site is a pain to use for me. Also is Blu Tack good for temporarily basing figures? Don't wanna permanently glue them on before painting them but I want a get a game running already.

>>54046794
If you go there in person and ask about stuff they'll gladly answer. Blu tac is good, tho I paint my figures on bases.

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>>54042540
Is HEMA now /hwg/ acceptable? Because that is my jam.

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>>54046790
1/72 WW1 minis are pretty cheap. Good balance of detail and size for actually playing.

>>54042540
my eyes hurt after watching that

>>54051040
Didn't know they used shotguns.

>>54051723
that's meant to be Sgt Harper with a Nock's Volley Gun.

>>54051753
No, I mean all of them.

Chunky shits.

>>54051787
I like them

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>No sleeping on watch!

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>>54054111
>No sleeping on watch!

It's not like keeping a watch is important on a ship. What are you going to do? Run into a cargo ship? American ships are much better than that, since they're the greatest navy of all time.

>>54054747
couple hundred incidents of ships running into other ships happen every year. not like its a rare occurance

>it died too young
I need a medic over here! I'm losin' her!

>>54043836
What is Hind and Seek?

>>54055511

The fact that an Arleigh Burke DD was taken by surprise and run into by a cargo ship when the DD has a half-dozen radar systems and two dozen people on watch at any given time whose SOLE JOB is to keep an eye out for things that might be a threat to the ship makes this a totally different and far worse collision than the few hundred rammings every year by underpaid, understaffed, drunken freighter crews.

At the very least, it's a good example of why the American navy is the most shit tier navy in all of human history. Not even the goddamn Russians could lose a fight to a freighter. It's just a shit tier navy, a shit tier country, and a population of shit tier human beings that, if there was just and generous god, would have been wiped off the face of the earth back in the Dark ages.

>>54046880
>Good balance of detail and size for actually playing.
not to mention price

Hi guys, first time posting here on /hwg/. Do any of you have any guide/book/dossier/pdf about uniforms about the Argentinian Civil War up to 1856 and the Cisplatine War/ Argentine-Brasilian War?

>>54056344
A game made by one of our own. Afghans vs. Soviets.

>>54056374
Such a shame plastic ranges are such mishmash. If only HaT would releaase a fucking late war British box and a late war German box, but no, Belgian Jager Carabiniers, much more important. If I could give one advice, buy metal minis, still reasonably priced. Early War Miniatures, Tumbling Dice models, and maybe Lancer too.

>>54056357
>Not even the goddamn Russians could lose a fight to a freighter

Indeed. They lost it to a fishing fleet instead.

>>54056357
>Not even the goddamn Russians could lose a fight to a freighter.
No, but they lost ships to fishermen.
>Americans should've been wiped off the face of the earth back in the Dark Ages.
I don't think that's possible, anon. Also which of the different Dark Ages? European, Bronze Age, or any of the others?

>>54042047
I think they've just been released this month they were metal but now plastic. Personally I prefer plastic, gluing metal minis has always been a pain in the ass for me and imo the faces on the metal minis look mega shit.

>>54056357
>Not even the goddamn Russians could lose a fight to a freighter
didn't they do that like six months ago? one of their AGI ships got wrecked by a boat full of sheep?

>>54056357
Damn, some emotionally scared man-child gets triggered by Americans. Stay classy dude.

>>54056357
naw the russians just need to have tugs operate with one of thier most advanced warship due to its contsant breakdowns

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/russian-carrier-plagued-by-technical-problems/

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>>54056902
>calling someone a man-child
You too.

>>54008896
>Visit father
>Dig around in the attic with him.
>Dig out old copy of hornet leader, (the 1991 version, not the modern one).
>Playing it a bit.
>Awesome.
>But some things are a little weird.
>Go on mission to destroy bridge
>Roll up defenses
>Pair of mig-29s guarding it (shit)
>Shoot both of them down (lucky)
>Fail to destroy the bridge itself, only damaging it
>No losses, no hornets not ready for next mission.
>Fail.

That must be some fucking bridge if it's worth more than two Mig 29s circa 1991 when the campaigns seem to be set.

/hwg/ do you have a good resource for getting a specific division's OrBats over the duration of a campaign?

>>54056357
Hey, I hate the yanks as much as any other guy, but pls no bully anon.

I finally caved and bought a set of WWII Warlord Japs to fight against my Chink platoon. Exciting stuff.

>>54059270
>Hey, I hate the yanks as much as any other guy

Why? What did they do to you?

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>>54056344
Full-blown asymmetrical warfare in the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan, 1979 - 1989. Soviets with all the fancy helicopters, armor and artillery, vs. the Afghan 'Mujahideen', with only local knowledge and support, a few roadside mines, the odd RPG and Heavy Machine Gun.

http://www.wargamevault.com/product/212538/Hind--Seek-SovietAfghan-War

So I just bought 8, 28mm Modern Russians from Empress, what games should I play with them? I know of Spectre Operations and that's pretty much it

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>>54060418
maybe they yanked his crank

>>54057193
The migs are nice to kill, but the bridge was your mission. You don't get much credit if you don't do your job.

Should've packed more atg.

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>>54056413
Wow, that's an obscure one. Do you think there would even be any sources in English? There are a couple of Ospreys in the Victorian folder looking at the War of the Triple Alliance and the War of the Pacific, but I don't know how good they would be to you.

>>54058950
This is a bit easier, but we need to narrow down the scope! Which conflict were you looking for particularly? As it happens there is the famous Nafziger collection: http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/landingpage/collection/p15040coll6
Also it's not hard to find OoBs in certain places, Osprey even did a short-lined line covering just that. But we do need to narrow the scope here a bit.

>>54062451
This is a good question. Skirmish Sangin is popular but I don't think it covers the Russians. There's also Force On Force of course, and Chris Peers' At Close Quarters.

>>54057193
Doesn't matter if there are 2 MiGs less when the entire enemy army rolls over a bridge and surrounds your ground forces....

Those games look like a lot of fun and its cool they are mostly solo oriented.

>>54060418

Oh I don't know... destroy Western civilisation.

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>>54063357
I should've specified. I'm looking for the 11th Armored Division (British) OrBat during the NW Europe campaigns. Or any attached units, or maps showing units they operated alongside, just building situational awareness of their situation. Tables of Equipment would be even better but I feel like that's unfeasible.

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>>54063619
Here's a modest start:
http://www.dday-overlord.com/eng/11_armoured_division_ob.htm
http://www.unithistories.com/units_british/11ArmdDiv.html
http://www.kerynne.com/games/British11thArmouredDivision.html
And pic related. You might like to ask the FoW lads too over in their general, somewhere there might have taken them as a unit and be quite informed on the subject. What you really want to do is track down the divisional history

>>54063716
That unithistories site is amazing, thank you!

bmp?

>>54063357
Yeah I have Skirmish Sangin but there's no option for Russians. At Close Quarters looks interesting but I can't find a PDF of it anywhere. Force on Force is great but it doesn't really lend itself to the scale I'm after.

Do we need some more Warlord Games books?

They just sent me (and probably everyone else) this coupon:

50% OFF Digital Discount Code:

*|DIGITAL-HALF-PRICE|*

Applies to products in the Half Price Digital collection. Expires July 4th 2017.

Apparently all their Ebooks are 50% off.

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Shanghai and Nanjing 1937: Massacre on the Yangtze (Osprey Campaign 309)

From 1931, China and Japan had been embroiled in a number of small-scale conflicts that had seen vast swathes of territory being occupied by the Japanese. On 7 July 1937, the Japanese engineered the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, which led to the fall of Beijing and Tianjin and the start of a de facto state of war between the two countries. This force then moved south, landing an expeditionary force to take Shanghai and from there drive west to capture Nanjing. This fully illustrated book tells the story of the Japanese assault on these two great Chinese cities. The battle of Shanghai was the first large-scale urban warfare of World War II and one of the bloodiest battles of the entire Sino-Japanese War. The determined resistance by Chinese inflicted sizable Japanese casualties, and may well have contributed to the subsequent massacre of prisoners and civilians in the battle of Nanjing, tarnishing Japan's reputation in the eyes of the world.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/edvub51m7egul0b/Osprey+-+CAM+309+-+Shanghai+and+Nanjing+1937.pdf

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Soviet Lend-Lease Tanks of World War II (Osprey New Vanguard 247)

The Red Army suffered such catastrophic losses of armour in the summer of 1941 that they begged Britain and the United States to send tanks. The first batches arrived in late 1941, just in time to take part in the defence of Moscow. The supplies of British tanks encompassed a very wide range of types including the Matilda, Churchill, and Valentine and even a few Tetrarch airborne tanks. American tanks included the M3 (Stuart) light tank and M3 (Lee) medium tank and the M4 Sherman tank, which became so common in 1944-45 that entire Soviet tank corps were equipped with the type. With these Western tanks, the Soviets were finally able to beat back the German tide in the East. This study examines the different types of tanks shipped to the Soviet Union during the war, Soviet assessments of their merits and problems, and combat accounts of their use in Soviet service using full colour artwork, contemporary photographs and detailed cut-away illustrations.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/hygb7jaeiye92cj/Osprey+-+NVA+247+-+Soviet+Lend-Lease+Tanks+Of+World+War+II.pdf

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St Lo 1944: The Battle of the Hedgerows (Osprey Campaign 308)

Following the D-Day landings on June 6, 1944, the First US Army engaged in a six-week struggle to break out of the Normandy beach-head. The hedgerow country of lower Normandy, called the Bocage, presented unanticipated tactical problems since it proved to be ideal for German infantry defense. This book examines the brutal attritional struggle in June-July 1944 to overcome the determined German defense and secure St Lô. The city was the site of a crucial cross-roads and was thus a vital target for the invading Allied forces; the initial bombing attacks were so severe that the writer Samuel Beckett would later report that it had been 'bombed out of existence in one night'. The attack by ground forces turned into a brutal attritional struggle to overcome the determined German defense. Using full-color artwork, photographs and maps, this is the engaging story of one of the key engagements in the Battle of Normandy.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/r9291r18qje96rq/Osprey+-+CAM+308+-+St+Lo+1944.pdf

Speaking of Osprey, is there any news on what wargames they're working on next?

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>>54063619
>that pic
>that filename

>>54071335
None for this thread matey.

I'm looking for infos on French Army uniforms, equipment, tanks, basically everything, in 1985/1989. Can anybody suggest some good infos?

>>54063357
Sangin is my go to but you'll need to find a Russian orbat as they are not in the books. I think someone has one on the skirmish Sangin forum

>>54063527
I thought that was the Vandals?

Did the Romans ever colour their helmets during the early republic (Punic, Macedonian and Syrian wars)?

Any ASL anons around? I'm just confused as to how this game works. I found a Pegasus Bridge scenario on eBay but it says I need 3 other big boxes (Yanks, Beyond Valor, etc.) to play it. Why would this be the case?

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>>54071335
>is there any news on what wargames they're working on next?
Their new gangster title. From the latest newsletter:
In 1919, the US Government declared the production, distribution, and sale of alcohol illegal. America officially became a ‘dry' land. That didn't stop people from drinking, however, and the rise of the ‘speakeasy' offered huge new opportunities for organized crime. Soon, cities both large and small became battlegrounds as various crime syndicates vied for control of the underground alcohol trade. In Mad Dogs With Guns, players form their own small gangs of fedora-wearing, tommy gun-wielding gangsters and battle it out with their rivals. With numerous different gangs to choose from, including cops and G-men, a fully integrated campaign system, and rules for special situations such as car chases, the game offers a huge variety of tactical challenges. Bribe public officials, attend a gangland funeral, but always watch your back - there is always another gang waiting to poach your territory…

Also there's a Bolt Action Campaign Guide for New Guinea due late next month.

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>>54078069
>Why would this be the case?
The earlier boxes contain chits and rules used in the later games
ASL works on a "programmed" system like that

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>>54078069
Beyond Valor contained the German and Russian OOB counters, and more importantly it contained the administrative counters

For King and Country OR West of Alamain (either can be used) contained the British OOB counters

Yanks isnt as important as you only need the glider counters from that, and those can be faked. after the landings the gliders dont become too important...think maybe act as supply points in some cases for the Brits....

but yeah...as >>54079250 said. ASL can be dependent on owning a few of what are considered 'base' sets for the OOB counters.

i shudder to even think what Pegasus Bridge is going for on Ebay now days......

>>54079250
>>54079375
How the fuck do people afford to play this game? I thought GW was bad but this is expensive AND confusing.

>>54080291
well.. do what i do. I havnt spent a dime on ASL in over 20 years. I have a group and all of them have got thier full kits so I just play with thier stuff on games days

that or VASL

>>54080291
Rather than spend a couple hundred on the rules and one or two main modules, do the smart thing and spend $25 buying ASL Starter Kit #1 to see if you even like the system first.

You also go straight to ASLSK #3 and just skip the Gun/AFV bits until you're comfortable with the infantry rules and ready to expand a bit.

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Wargamer's Notes issue 3 came out. Uploading here, for the convenience of people who don't want to email in to be put on the distribution list.

>>54081275
I've been playing SK1 and 2. I like ASL, a lot. But this is a really poor way to publish a game.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1561049203/1-48tactic-fast-paced-cinematic-ww2-miniature-skir
dunno but I think they'd have more success if the game was in 28mm. Who plays in 1/48?

>>54083535
I think the idea is to limit the number of alternate sources of miniatures.

It looks quite good though, even if it is part of the trend towards the "boardgamification" of wargames.

>>54083615
That company does know that Tamiya, Italieri, and a few other companies make both vehicles and soldiers in 1/48, right?

>>54083535
>Who plays in 1/48?
It's not unheard of; when running this kind of RPG/skirmish game 1/48 (and 1/35) is actually a pretty nice fit. Also as >>54083660 suggests there's a lot of interesting minis and vehicles around. Interestingly, 1/48 is considered the standard scale for dollhouses.

>>54083535
There is Dust with alot of available minis and there are the cheap Tamiya Plastic minis in that scale too.

And nobody will stop me from using the rules (if they are good) and play with my 28mm collection.

Their minis look pretty nice though.

>>54083535

I'm not really bothered by the scale, but the kickstarter in itself seems a little bit to ambitious. While i hope it gets funded, i somewhat doubt it.

Also they call their german plegde "Sturmführer Starter pack" while the unit you get with is from a Wehrmacht division.. meh

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>>54074999
Have you ever heard of a magazine called RAIDS, anon? It's French language magazine about military matters that's been running since 1986, and naturally has a strong focus on their armed forces. PDFs are pretty easy to find online. Otherwise you could dig around 80s-era books on modern armies (also relatively easy to find) or even just try some serious googling around the right places, like Cold War blogs. Lastly take a look in our Modern/References folder, especially at the IGT books.

>>54063357

Spanish is my first language, no problem about that. The thing is, information about uniforms and military organization is virtually nonexistant (not surprising though, troops were irregulars, basically all gauchos). Will look into the Victorian Folder, thanks

>>54078858
Preordered.

Anybody have PDFs of David Fletcher's British Battle Tank books?

Going for a little 6mm ACW diorama.

What set do you recommend?

Also how the hell you pait such a tiny fucktard?

>>54085872
Baccus!

And how you paint them? Surprisingly easy. basecoat and colors. No highlights, no shades. Thats what I do at least.

>>54085895
Reminder to go brighter than you would on a larger model - sometimes bright enough that you think you're going too bright.

>>54069576
What's the difference between digital and PDF versions?

>>54086506
i doubt there is one.

>>54085230
No, I didn't know it existed such a magazine. Thank you dear anon, I'll have a look.

>>54082864
Im curious then. How would you publish it?

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>>54087476
Primary goal would be to get all the rules in one place. This shit with "oh the rules for X or Y terrain are in the Kampfgruppe Peiper box" has got to go.

Second, historical scenarios come with all the counters needed to play that scenario. If someone designs something around Arnhem, your box comes with Frost's Paras and Bittrich's KG. You don't have to go buy a separate box for other counters.

Third, support for out-of-print modules by making them available in PDF format. If the OOP stuff was only small conflicts that aren't popular this would be more forgivable but For King and Country (which has the British OOB) is out of print and goes for 300USD on eBay. I could buy 3 companies of 15mm WW2 off Plastic Soldier Company for that kind of money.

I don't even know how you'd fix the rules. The couple ASL communities I monitor are about 80% individuals asking the group for rules clarifications because the level of complexity has gotten out of hand. If I remember correctly, the designer of the original Squad Leader disliked ASL for that very reason.

It's a hot fucking mess which is sad because it's kinda the coolest wargame on the market.

>>54086506
>>54086547
There is - digital version is epub or something, generally for ebook readers. PDF is standard book in digital format.

>>54089062
Which one is better?

>>54089426
PDF - the digital one is fucked because it's optimised for ebook readers, no background color, not page breaks, it's basically based on the resolution of the device. The pdf, as I said, is the standard book in digital format.

I think most of the BA books in the trove are the digitals, while the Black Powder books are the pdf versions, compare them yourself if you wish.

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Where can i find this book???

>>54089770
here?
https://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Encyclopedia-Weapons-World-Comprehensive/dp/178274388X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=21S3Z0023Y1FQWBPJE5C

>>54089770

here you go Anon:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=E70B079493D3A5EF55B14BB9CE82BEC2

So why did Warlord release metal Polish airborne when you can already create Polish airborne with the plastic British airborne kit?

>>54090559
Weren't the metal Polish airborne came first?

>>54090559
Different uniforms maybe?

Or maybe they respect the wish of some people for metal minis?

Actually i think their sculptors for metal minis and their plastic mold makers aren't connected at all. Maybe these were in the making for quite some time already.

I don't mind and i don't see a problem in this.

>>54090592
...I mean didn't.

>>54090592
I vaguely remember old metal Polish airborne but I can't find them in the store now. So that would mean that they removed the old metal Poles during the release of the plastic kit but then releasing metal Poles again.

>>54090602
I quite like Warlords latest metal minis so it's neat but it's rather odd to replace the old metal minis with plastic and new sculpts in metal.

>>54090610
They were announced in todays newsletter. Not sure if there are more polish airborne minis already since i don't play that army, but maybe there are.

>>54090648
It really seems a bit strange but apparently they think that would earn them more money, so be it.

I wish they would do a new metal set of "generic" soviet infantry one day.

>tfw ebay gives you a £15 off £30 voucher if you buy something using paypal through the ebay mobile app
That overpriced old wargaming book I've wanted for years will finally be mine! A good weekend. Now if only lulu would hurry up and ship those other wargame & rpg books...

(£17 or so is still way overpriced, it's just, you know, I can live with it)

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>>54091055
>That overpriced old wargaming book I've wanted for years will finally be mine!
which book is it then?

>>54091320
Just some old Featherstone, with about five pages of rules content I actually want, which I've already got scans of.

>>54078858

Ugh, not my bag.

I'm waiting for Daniel Mersey to do some stuff for the ancient and classical period.

Yo. I'm looking for vector templates to lasercut some stencils for WW2 tank markings for 1/56 scale. I've found a bunch of assholes trying to sell their backstock of brass stencils, and some images that I could run through software to get a decent approximation of what I am looking for, but if someone has already done the process, it would be cool to share.

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Just stumbled across this channel, it has quite a few good documentaries.

https://www.youtube.com/user/lumaix/playlists?&ab_channel=lumaix

Currently watching the one on the six day war and I can recommend.

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>>54046880

>>54078034

It's within the realm of plausibility but I don't think there's any hard evidence. I can't recall hard evidence for painted (metal) helmets anywhere outside the Hellenic world (in the form of traces of paint on dug up helmets, as well as artistic depictions of painted helmets) from 500s BC to the end of the Republic. There's not a whole lot of hard evidence for anything from the period though, so it comes down to whether you want to go with what's plausible or what is the current wargaming orthodoxy (which would be unpainted as far as I know).

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>>54097021
Wait until this guys plays Verdun... it's exactly like the first image

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>>54097598
>>54097021
Wait until you guys play Ace of Spaces... it's exactly like the first image

>>54097021

Yeah, making half the British army black must have been Sweden's idea of a joke.

>>54098228
In all honesty, the race thing was the least of the games problems.

The game had almost everyone carrying automatic weapons and even had red dot sights on some of them.

Honestly, whats the point of setting your game in WW1 if you're just going to use it as window dressing.

>>54098228
>British Army
That's one of the Harlem Hellfighters, an all-black American unit
If you want to bitch about that game how about all the anachronistic and experimental weapons, or the stage where the player runs like an Olympic athlete in Brewster armour

>>54098286
Brewster armour that can take a lot of bullets with ease, at that.

>>54098268

Yeah it was a total shitfest. There is a mode where everyone has their factions standard rifle but you're lucky if you can find a single server with enough people for a game, and since they didn't model an Italian or Turkish rifle they just gave them both Martini-Henry rifles instead kek.

>>54098286

I mean online, two of the four British classes are African or Indian, while Germany also has one it's classes as an African. It's fucking stupid and actually made me quite enraged when it first came out.

Some of the codex entries are also totally skewed, one says the entire war against Turkey was for oil. Which is a total revision of history after the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

To be honest it was an absolute disgrace, I didn't even want to own it but a friend bought me a copy and a part of me wishes I'd never even played it.

>>54098358
Turks are doing a lot of revising themselves these days, even changing the memorials at Gallipoli.

I'm agree with you in principle about the racial thing but one thing did jump out at me. I found it ironic that the same anons who would post a picture of an African guy in the Freies Arabien Legion as "proof" that the Nazi Wehrmacht was some kind of racial utopia, yet denied the existence of all the black musicians in German regiments who served in Europe, including one who who an Iron Cross at Verdun.

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>>54098358
>>54098358

Oh also they revised Laurence of Arabia out of the picture, made the main representation of the Royal Flying Corps an American, forgot to mention that the British and American forces broke the Hindenburg line at the Battle of St Quentin Canal together (it makes it look like there were only Americans there) and lastly it completely removes any British involvement at Gallipoli when we took more casualties than all the other commonwealth forces combined and portrays the officers on the ground as cowardly and snivelling when the failure of that campaign was nothing to do with the men on the ground.

Just another day of historical revision by a nation that neither fought in WWI or WWII.

Now I'll stop before this vein on my neck pops.

>>54098450

Yeah I've seen this as well, apparently there were two men of African descent in the German army throughout the war but last I heard neither of them actually fired a rifle in anger and were both, as you say, part of the military band.

>>54098484
> Just another day of historical revision by a nation that neither fought in WWI or WWII.
That's not fair anon, there were plenty of Swedes in Wiking after all.

>>54098520

Kek, yes I forgot about that. To add to this point BF1 is quite pro-German.

When doing the 'research' for this game they seem to have confused 'every nation has some blame for the outbreak of war' with 'every nation has an equal potion of blame for the outbreak of war'.

>>54098582
you keep saying "research" as if they don't know the history game they are putting out is ahistorical.

They know but they thought it would sell better this way. They are probably right.

Is there any Musket Era game that uses circular model bases? I want to try something like that but the shapes of bases freak me out.

>>54098926

If a game has individual basing you can base them on pretty much any shape you want, no matter what the rules say.

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>>54098514
The presence of black dudes in the WW1 German Army is the kind of obscure and bizarre military trivia I love. BF1 is obviously retarded in having them comprise a quarter of the force, I'm not denying that. But they were there, and as one anon mentioned one even earned an Iron Cross (2nd Class, mind you). They were all bandsmen, which meant they didn't carry weapons, but it was standard practise for musicians to serve as stretcher bearers so they would have been in The Shit nonetheless. I love these kinds of obscure facts. Good collection of info on the subject here: http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/germancolonialuniforms/africans%20in%20german%20uniform.htm

>>54098926
Well stuff like Muskets & Tomahawks and Sharp Practice do, but as the other anon says you're not bound to square bases, and you could set them all individually on a group base if you like.

>>54098268
>Honestly, whats the point of setting your game in WW1 if you're just going to use it as window dressing.

All FPSes are bullshit toys for children to play war in.

Wake up, faggot.

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>>54099501
>He said in a historical wargames thread

>>54099569
>In a historical wargames thread we have to pretend the battlefield series is a history first series
"no"

>>54099129
Yo man, what about German colonial forces? Von Lettow was the last one to surrender.

>>54099608
You were talking about every FPS you cunt.

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>>54099608
I'm not defending the Battlefield series historical accuracy, despite growing up playing the earlier games but there is a sliding scale to these things between realism and "beer and pretzel" games.

Dismissing all FPS because Battlefield 1 is bad is simply stupid.

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>>54099635
>Yo man, what about German colonial forces? Von Lettow was the last one to surrender.
Yes I should have made the distinction between Askaris in the Schutztruppe and the guys in the regular German Army. Von Lettow-Vorbeck's campaign is fascinating, I was just reading about a battle of his against the Portuguese other day.

>>54099635

German colonial regiments never served in Europe. The Imperial army would not serve next to them, so unlike France they were never seen side by side.

Of course, now all this shit blew up, the one army that was very keen on using colonials (France) and the which took many black regiments off the Americans' hands, has no black soldiers in their roster at all.

>>54082187
Do you know where "Simplicity and Brevity in Game Design – Part 1" can be found? The sequel article's in this one, but iLiked the idea and am writing my own game right now.

>>54099683

I should also add that the same applied to Britain, their African colonial regiments never served in Europe but there were mixed armies in the middle-east. The Indian Expeditionary force was the one British exception, made up of 130,000 men in Europe but when compared to the 6 million British it was still small.

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>>54099723
Probably issue 1 or 2! I think that was the one where the second part got bumped, so probably 1.

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>>54099723
>>54100790
But really, don't rely on me, email in and ask to go on the list. They did fuck up this time and CC it instead of BCC, so everyone got a huge list of other subscribers' email addresses, but they apologised for that. And it's free. And even if a lot of it is grog nostalgia, there's been at least one useful or interesting piece in each issue so far.

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saw this on my timeline

>>54101280
>inb4 check your mail
Went to the website but there wasn't much I wanted and it was kinda expensive anyways

>>54103385
yeah, their sortiment is kinda limited but i like their late romans alot. To bad i don't play any related games.

>>54078858
That looks awesome! Now I have an excuse to paint up cops and gangsters.

>>54101280
Shame that their Late Roman range is so limited. I'm rather tired that nearly all manufacturers just make the same boring spearmen with Intercisa helmets.

>>54103928
I'm not an expert, but what other helmets were there in use in the roman army?

>>54103944
You had the intercisa, burgh and spangenhelm types with several variants of each.

>>54103928
just mix in germans or goths nad give them oval shields or whatever.

>>54104710
Yea, that's an option but it's a shame we don't have head packs.

>>54107201
Westwind do some, they're not the best for what you want but it might vary things up.

>>54106251
Do you have boats?

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>>54107730
Still need to get sails.

>>54107762
What's her name?

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>>54107778

>>54107808
(And yeah, my handwriting is barely adequate with a pencil)

>>54099129
I'm more interested in that moustached man on the right.

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>>54107808
>>54107819
>mfw checking her out on wikipedia
Neato.

>>54011234
Tell me more, friend.

>>54056357
stay mad

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>>54107925
Take the basics of Lacquered Coffins, add in radar and detection, SAMs and missiles, and the stats for most modern aircraft, starting with Vietnam.
The system is planned to cover every major air engagement of the post-korea 20th century. So that means I don't have to stat out every single aircraft ever made, but just the ones that actually saw combat.
It will cover the Arab-Israeli wars, Falklands, Gulf War, Bosnia and any others I can think of.

I just built some EA-6B prowlers and next up will do some MiG-17s (in the 'snake' camo).

I'm aiming to make a game where EAW and AWACs aircraft have a reason to exist, and where fighters, bombers, EW and ground attack aircraft all interact with each other and ground targets / ground fire / SAMs.
Want to try to make an air environment like a snapshot of the Falcon 4.0 campaign, but on the tabletop.

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Nice to see some historically accurate Chinese miniatures for once.
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=84196.60

If I can only go to Historicon for one day, which day should I go?

>>54110708
Not bad, not bad. Now we just need some armor.

>>54101280
>TFW all their Inter-war stuff is restricted to the British site so you can't use your hard earned Ameribux to fight fascism with rocket mailmen.

It feels bad, actually.

>>54098703
>normies actually interested in The Great War to end all wars.

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Played shako today down at the club. Neither me or my buddy had played it before but a guy had brought his French and Prussians and all the rules / knowledge.

Very cool game system - good balance of realism and simplicity. I like the secret deployment and battle plans and the command control system as well.

The French did pretty well at the start, holding their cavalry in reserve and pushing 2 infantry divisions into the center. Prussians moved everything forward and the infantry met in the center. French infantry on their right flank formed squares to protect the center from cavalry, while dragoons were able to hold the Prussian cavalry at bay.
French cavalry on the left flank annihilated some unprepared infantry, causing the nearby Prussian infantry to form squares, which were quickly charged by French infantry and destroyed. An entire Prussian division was destroyed in this action...
Prussian cavalry on the right flank got luck and wiped an entire French division as well as the French Dragoons who put up a hell of a fight.

In the end both armies were bordering on 50% losses (after which the army immediately loses) and it was down to whoever killed the next unit. Prussian artillery was in a poor position to fire, or being overrun by French cavalry, while French artillery situated on a hill was able to finish off a few Prussian infantry units, causing a very minor victory for the French.

We played at 1/72 which was cool. Mostly Italieri makes.

Would recommend this system for anyone wanting to play Napoleonics - nice and simple but feels like you're gaming in the period. Things can also die very quickly - no "endless grinding away". If units are in the wrong place or unsupported, or fail to make a square when charged by cavalry, they're gone.

This means games can swing quite nicely - a few turns could completely change the dynamic of the winning/losing balance. The French division wiped out in our game happened in a single turn...

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>>54114798
Post more pics mate, I'm always happy to see 1:72 Napoleonics. How does it compare to Black Powder? I bought the book at the last promotion where Warlord gave a plastic box along with it, but couldn't try it out yet, tho I'm always open to new rulesets.

>>54114798
Somewhat of a tangent, but how do you pronounce shako?

Never heard it said in real life and I don't want to sound like an american when I say it.

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>>54114798
Thanks for the writeup anon. Shako was the first 'serious' Napoleonic wargame I got into, back when it first came out in 1995. I used 1:72 plastic too, although back then I was entirely limited to Airfix's stuff, so it was Waterloo Campaign-only for me! The Brits got Highlanders, Guards Infantry and Scots Greys; the French had Old Guard Grenadiers and Polish Lancers. Later on I discovered HaT stuff, so I was no longer triggered using the 1815 troops for Peninsula games.

It is a great system for beginners, and we have a PDF in our folders. It was covered a lot in Wargames Illustrated at the time and they published a lot of extra army lists, you could probably find those online now. Also there was a Shako 2 released in 2008.

>>54115719
Shay-ko or Shack-ko, I think the latter is US and the latter English. In Sharpe they always call it the latter.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shako

>>54115739
>think the latter is US and the latter English
D'oh, I mean the former is the US pronunciation.

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>>54115748
>>54115739
Cheers anon

>>54115739
English anon here, can confirm myself and people at my local club call it a shack-o not a shay-ko

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>>54115499
Here's an overview just before I had formed squares to fend off the Prussian cavalry on the French right flank
As for the comparison to Black Powder - I've read through the Black Powder rules a few times and while I haven't played it, it seems like Shako accomplishes the same thing with much more clarity and simplicity. Shako does a lot more simultaneously too - all artillery is simultaneous, then all movement is done division by division alternating - with the guy who has more units under battle orders going first. Then all small arms fire is done simultaneously, and then all melee simultaneous, then all morale simultaneous. It means there is never "my turn, your turn", but 1 turn with everyone involved and it flows very quickly.

>>54115719
We all say Shay-ko, but we live close to Antarctica so don't trust us. Literally a penguin colony 20 minutes drive from our city...

>>54076690

Yes, but I've heard they were very good at rocking the mic

>>54116071
Seems like the French got pretty BTFO'd

>>54116522
The French won.

>>54116522
It was a game full of swings - at the start it looked like the French would dominate, crumbled a Prussian division and fended off their cavalry expertly and even destroyed a cavalry unit. The French had rolled the entire left flank and made it to the Prussian artillery (And destroyed it..) Then the Prussians had one great turn and wiped a French infantry division and suddenly it wasn't looking as good for the French
At that point both of us were nearing 50% of our army lost, so pretty even. French just snuck ahead with some great artillery fire and caused the Prussians to drop below 50% Close battle

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>>54109521
>I'm aiming to make a game where EAW and AWACs aircraft have a reason to exist, and where fighters, bombers, EW and ground attack aircraft all interact with each other and ground targets / ground fire / SAMs.
>Want to try to make an air environment like a snapshot of the Falcon 4.0 campaign, but on the tabletop.
Ooh.

It's probably way groggier than your target game, but have you seen GMT's Downtown? I know at least one person played it with minis, and it's certainly got missions where you set up the whole thing, complete with EW birds flying racetracks behind the main route, SEAD going in before the payload of the strike package, and tankers.

http://raidscalegaming.pbworks.com/w/page/37113977/5%20March%202011%20-%20Downtown%20Game%20Write%20Up is the guy doing a minis conversion, although IIRC they're limiting the area and missions for convenience.

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>>54116729

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>>54116738
It's a good game. There's a WW1 game based on the system too, Bloody April.

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>>54116729
Wow, Downtown looks awesome. That guy's game looks like a lot of fun and his miniatures are beautiful.

We're aiming for something pretty simple - the usual balance of realism and simplicity. I'm also planning on having the game playable solo as part of the package.
The Flight plan will be a thing - choosing when aircraft will enter and when they will have to leave/RTB (according to their range)
I'm at the stage of feeling out the conversion between real life specifications to game stats. I have some basic aircraft for Vietnam ready so getting there...

Hey anons!
Where can i get high quality, uncut Osprey plates(photos)?
I used to get them from books, but most of them have low quality, or they are cut. I know that you have access to the plates if you become a member of the Osprey community

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>>54118061
>Where can i get high quality, uncut Osprey plates(photos)?
They've always had that ad at the front of every book where you can mail away for them

>>54117957
>and in this very moment our little friend sherman, outnumbered and flanked, realized that he fucked up.

>>54118098
I do not understand anon, please explain, i am just looking for help

Maybe wrong tread, but who know some good, realistic WWII RPG? Air/ground/naval.

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>>54119356
If you look in the back (sometimes the front) of the Man-At-Arms series books, you'll see an artist's note which gives you a contact address you can order stuff from. You could even buy the original paintings the plates are based on too. I grabbed pic related at random as an example.

>>54119517
Oh....yeah
I was looking for something on the internet, something....how can i say it...."for free"

>>54116071

Nice models, what scale are they? 10mm or 15mm?

>>54120112
looks like 20mm

>>54120112
Not to be rude, but there are people's hands in that image, and those figures are far too big to be 10-15mm

>>54120112
>>54120168
>>54120217
Add that to the fact that he mentioned earlier the figures being 1/72, and you got yourself a moron.

>>54011109
I've done a few OPs when the normal guy was busy, it's not necessarily super hard - you can get most of the stuff from Wikipedia.

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>>54114798
>An entire Prussian division was destroyed in this action...
Thank god

>>54122242

"Zo madamoiselle, I 'ear zey call you 'Easy' 8..."

>>54119460
Are you are GURPS man? They have a WW2 range that covers pretty much everything,

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>>54122242
R35 A CUTE

So, I am a total noob scrub to WW2 games, and unsure how to go about getting into it. I've done some other wargaming, and the painting aspect is my least favorite. I just don't have it in me to do it, so I will be buying pre-painted mini's. But, I would like some input on the system to use, as this is kinda different than what I am used to.

So which rule set would you guys recommend? I was looking at both Blitzkrieg Commander and Chain of Command, but not sure which is better, or if there is a better one than those. Also, you guys have any input on pre-painted minis? I am all ears.

>>54127735
Almost forgot, my scale is probably going to be 15mm.

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Anyone know where to get good 28mm samurai/ashigaru besides Perry, Steel Fist, and Assault Group? I know Warlord is selling the old Wargames Factory stuff and those are pretty good but I'm looking for some other companies.

>>54127735
Chain of Command would be a good start for a budding 15mm gamer. What do you mean by pre-painted minis?

>>54127735
BKC and Chain of Command are two very different games. Consider whether you want to fight reasonably large engagements involving battalions and regiments, or whether you're more interested in smaller enaggements involving companies.
For me, I find the smaller sized engagements catered for by rulesets like CoC (or Bolt Action) gets a bit anonymous and generic after a while. I'd rather have a bigger chunk of the historical engagements able to be represented on the tabletop. But other people have no problem with it. You'll know which you are.

I just bought great war spearhead and wow, this looks fun as hell. Might have to buy a couple of corps next month.

Yes, a lot of the included TO&Es (TsO&E?) include the odd base of cavalry or bicycles, it's pretty rad. One base to an infantry company. Oh, and there are rules for trains with guns.

>>54129666
One of the fun things about the 1914 campaign is having whole companies of cyclists zooming about. How about being an absolute legend and scanning it for us, anon?

Is it easy to play Song of Drums and Shakos without movement trays?

I'm not really a fan of them, the whole point of skirmish games for me is too get away from that crap.

>>54130216

Sorry I meant Sharp Practice.

I'm looking at a few Napoleonic skirmish games.

>>54128525
That's about all I've found worth looking at.
Moonraker/EM4 also carries a tiny selection of Samurai and a ninja.
West Wind does some earlier Samurai (think the Mongol invasion), and if you can stomach 25mm next to your 28mms, Black Hat has got a nice little range.
I've seen some guy online who built a big bandit buntai for Ronin from them

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>>54130584
I like the West Wind fantasy type stuff. Admittedly my request isn't entirely /hwg/ because this is for Kings of War, so I'm open to any fantasy suggestions as well. I just figured /hwg/ was the best place to go to avoid weeb tier samurai. I'm looking for Kurosawa type stuff.

>>54130633
Kurosawa is an incredibly vague label - are we talking about Ran/Throne of Blood style with full armies and armor? How about Seven Samurai/Yojimbo?

Or perhaps you're trying to run a Madadayo style army?

If you don't need it to be perfectly accurate, have you looked at Zenit's Kensei line? They're beautiful, if a bit expensive.

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>>54130772
I'm talking around the lines of Kagemusha/Yojimbo. Sengoku Jidai type humans with a dash of mythology and fantasy tossed in (large infantry is oni, using a tengu from Reaper as a wizard, etc.)

My big hangup on stuff like Kensei and Bushido is that they're listed as 32mm and I'm worried they might look awkward next to the 28mm stuff.

>>54130854
I can't speak for Bushido, but the Kensei stuff doesn't look out of place next to Perry's or Wargames Factory. Especially not if you base them the same way.
If you google it, there a ton of comparison shots.

But if you're looking for ranks of ashigaru in 28mm, you've missed the golden age now that Warlord is selling the WGF stuff.

Also I still have no idea what you want, but I'm just going to assume that you want something that looks like it could have been on the field around the end of the period, or in an NHK taiga drama.

In which case, bulk up your forces with cheap plastics and use Perry for heroes/cavalry.
Watch out though, the Perry metal Samurai range is getting a bit rough around the edges.

>>54130884
Late Sengoku period (As in pre-Nagashino, but during the Nanban Trades) would be the best way to describe what I'm looking for. I'm clogging up the thread with stuff that isn't technically /hwg/ though (and also I'm out of good samurai wallpapers) .

My only real concern with the Warlord stuff is that it takes a lot of work to not look really wooden. Price isn't a huge problem for me given that my FLGS sells the kits for pretty cheap, and Amazon has been a lifesaver for the warband kits. I'll look a bit more into Kensei and Bushido cause I can scrounge for some cheap monster kits out of there.

As for Perry I'll be wary about the stuff I purchase from there. Probably gonna buy some warrior monks and Ikko Ikki with arquebus to get a small skirmisher troop ready for an upcoming game. Thanks for the suggestions.

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