/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General

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Chromatic dragons in 5E cannot actually shapeshift, turn into humans or do any of that.
They're just dragons, now and forever.

Look at the Monster Manual. Look at it.

>>53875405
It was always like this, wasn't it? Not every dragon can shapeshift

>>53875405
Iimryth can, she's a sorcerer
Also thats metallic dragons dipshit

>>53875405
>Variant: Dragon Spellcasting
>CR 12 or higher dragon can have 4th level spell
>Take polymorph

WotC can't stop my dragons from shapeshifting!

>>53875405
And it's better that way.
Fuck bahamut and the metallic dragons. Them and their 'Hurr I can turn into an archmage and stop time forever' bullshit is ridiculous and they should never have existed.

>>53875466
But eventually the dragon will die and it will end, nobody will be any the wiser

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>>53875501
Let's speed up the process.

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>>53875405
So what? They can if you change the stat block.

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>>53875501
A fucking dragon should be dangerous because it's a T-Rex that can fly and breathe fire, not because it's actually an arbitrarily powerful wizard with an intense furry fetish.

>>53875533
What do you mean by this senpai

>>53875570
It's decided then, we kill Bahamut.

How do we fix Sorcerers?

>>53875638
But he'a the good one senpai, why not kill Tiamat instead

>>53875695
Thematic free spells like domain spells.

>>53875695
Accept that they aren't wizards and weren't meant to be wizards and move on

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>>53875716
>Bahamut
>Good

>>53875695
More spells known
Spell points
remove metamagic and make them a feat

>>53875757
You aren't the cult of the dragon, are you, senpai?

>friend finds a game where everyone cooperatively creates a world
>wanted to use it to make our next campaign setting
>2 people making high fantasy additions, 1 making dark fantasy, 1 making whimsical fantasy, 1 making a Mary sue demon kingdom, 1 just fucking with people
Never again will I agree to this kind of clusterfuck.

Best class and background for a bounty hunter character?
Any suggestions for why he's traveling with a mostly good party into the Underdark?

Question about reactions: If a player attacks, then says "I will swing my sword at that other goblin when he steps towards me", does he get a free attack outside his turn when the goblin moves? Does it work but cost him his attack next turn? Or does he need multiattack, because you only get one attack otherwise?

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Shitty DM stories?

>party is trying to book passage on a ship
>DM spends 5 minutes looking through the PHB to try and find the cost of ship passage because he can't think of a realistic cost off the cuff
>doesn't find anything so he decides to make it 30 (thirty) gp per person for this simple merchant vessel that regularly takes commoners
>our fighter tries to haggle the price down
>DM gives him advantage because he has high Charisma
>rolls a 5 and then a 3
>DM says "nah that's retarded, roll again"
>nat 20

>my face the whole time

He also made us roll Con saves to see if we got scurvy during the trip

>>53875829
Chasing a target who fled underground, found others going down there. It's safer not to go alone

>>53875878
>not bringing lemons to spite him
More like shitty player stories

>>53875829
Monster Hunter Fighter, Deepstalker Ranger and Thief all make sense as bounty hunters. If he's traveling into the Underdark, maybe make him have a family member who ran away down there he's tracking? He could even be a Drow, Duergar or Deep Gnome from the surface and one of his siblings decided to go join their people, who he knows are an evil bunch.

>>53875878
>scurvy
What the fuck, were you sailing for months?
That's pretty tame for a shitty DM.

>>53875924
It didn't even ultimately matter, he didn't impose any consequences on those who failed the Con save

>>53875878
>implying that's shitty when there was a DM that put the price of a barrel of oil at 8000gp or so..Simply because somebody suggested using a barrel of oil instead of a barrel of explosives which apparently costed 8000gp.

>>53875958
>costed
Are you 12?

So i finally settled on a character, gonna go paladin of vengenace splashing a bit into Hexblade.

Question is how should I spread my stats?
I got lucky and started with 18-17-16-14-11-10.

I figured I'd put the 18 in cha and go for a racial +2 so I'd have a load of used of power as well a a whopping +5 hit and damage bonus with my bound sword and Eldrich blast

A fat load of con and decent investment in Wis seems prudent as well.

TLDR:
Start paladin and go for 11 str 14 dex and go medium armour
or
Start 'Lock force myself to take 14 str to MC to Paladin and go Heavy Armour?

>>53875936
I didn't mean shitty along the lines of "being an asshole", I meant more like "isn't good at it/doesn't know how mechanics work". Giving advantage in social situations because the character has high Charisma was probably the dumbest thing, and allowing a reroll on the haggling failures was just cheap. He should've given us a side quest to raise the money or get in the captain's favor or something since we couldn't afford it.

To be fair he confessed that he's not really good at DMing non-combat scenarios and he's afraid to put us in lots of combat because all three of our party is squishy

>>53875996
>rolling for stats

I'm sure it will vary from setting to setting, or even DM to DM, but in general, are Paladins and Clerics allowed to love?

>>53875877
Readying a reaction is action. Thus, if you use Attack action, you cannot react on the other goblin (even if you have more attacks left - you have to use then on your turn).
See PHB, p. 193

>>53876030
Yeah. They are not Jedi.

>>53876030
Some are celibate, most are not.

>>53875878
>lets spellcasters cast cantrips as a bonus action
>wilds animals always fight us to the death even when set on fire
>We were once attacked by a pack (3 - 4) of bears on an open plain
>claimed the 7 int fighter wasn't smart enough to tie a rope to the end of his axe

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This is my party. List their classes.

>>53876102
In order left to right
Bard
Rogue
Ranger
Cleric
Barbarian
Wizard
Fighter

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>>53875878
>party encounters a young dragon in the forest
>demands a tribute
>we decide to humor it
>some give gold, some give gems
>decide to be creative
>offer it my pocket mirror, so "you can admire yourself whenever you wish"
>burns the mirror and me
Was I retarded or was this a "no fun allowed" kind of ruling from the DM?

>>53876102
Swashbuckler Rogue
Undying Warlock (Blade)
Champion Fighter (Shield Master)
Glamour Bard
Hunter Ranger
Awakened Mystic
Bearbarian (GWM)

>>53876102
Bard
Warlock
Monk
Rogue
Cleric
Wizard
Barbarian

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>>53876170
That's fucking funny I love your DM.

>>53876137
well done.
>>53876102
Where can I find this?

>>53876170
OK, I laughed

>>53876201
http://store.steampowered.com/app/654880/Dream_Daddy_A_Dad_Dating_Simulator/

>>53875990

Are you a sperg?

>>53876030
Sure, why not. I bet some of then are even encouraged to do so.

>>53876170
Depends. I like your style, but i can see see DM's reasoning - some campaigns are "no fun allowed" campaigns.

You should probably talk with him, if it troubles you. Not us.

If I were holding a campaign in a setting without heavy armor (nordic/pre-medieval), how would you compensate heavy armor users (fighters/pallies)?

I was thinking granting them +1 STR and a bonus skill proficiency. (Note there's likely to be no multiclassing.)

>>53876170
That's hilarious. I'd say it was neither really, you tried to be clever and the dragon wanted valuables.

>>53876232
I am on 4chan. What do you think?

>>53876018
Did you have a point or do you just parrot things you hear a lot?

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>>53876195
>>53876226
>>53876245
>>53876258
ehh serves me right for trying to be cutsie with an evil dragon I guess.

>>53876078
>claimed the 7 int fighter wasn't smart enough to tie a rope to the end of his axe
Depending on what end of axe it was and how it was ending it might have been a lot harder than you'd think.

>>53875878
>DM gives him advantage because he has high Charisma
This annoys me so much more than it should

>>53876314
If it was that no fun allowed you oughta better have fucking killed it afterwards though. Messing with people is alright, but dues gotta get settled.

>>53876256
refluf other armor as heavy armor, so they could get AC high enough

>>53876314
Well, it might have worked if it was a gem encrusted magical mithril pocket mirror, or the dragon had an INT of 5. Good on ya for trying...

>>53876314
I'd still give you points for trying and a shot at revenge or duping the dragon.

>>53876314
You'd think a dragon would be smart enough to not murder people it could continue to extort every time they pass by. It's not like fish where you either kill and eat them or they get away forever; you can let those adventurers plunder tombs for you and then take all their shit the next time you see 'em. Let 'em live and rob them again.

This is Banditry 101, you stupid fucking dragon.

>>53876368
Depending how he tried to sell it
Flattery towards the dragon might work, it is how Bilbo survived his encounter with Smaug.
So flattery and offering a mirror(relatively rare and valuable object) so dragon might look upon himself every time it wants, might have worked.
I'd order a CHA roll to see how it would react.

>>53875768
>remove metamagic and make them a feat

So sorcerers have to give up an ASI for metamagic? How does this help?

>Rust monster specifies ferrous metal
So why not carry a bronze weapon? Even a simple shortsword

>>53876410
The way I see it, if a dragon tells you to kiss ass you ask how deep. Trying to be cheeky about it won't do anyone any good and even if it could work that would be a damn high DC, like dangerously improbable unless you get a 16-20 probably.
Dragons are vain but they're not that vain to be easily tricked. In my opinion.

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>>53876402
Would also give the party a goal for later on when they're higher level to kill said asshole dragon that keeps extorting them each time they were remotely near his territory.

There's few things that motivate players more than getting their stolen shit back.

>>53876479
>daring your DM to bring out Sodium Carbonate Monsters

>>53876531
>starting a wild west game
>inevitably going to have 40 fucking banditos rob the party and leave them for dead in a desert or gulch

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>>53876555
>Ask my players if they want to play a western themed game with goblins in wide brimmed hats, plate boots and spurs, cacti and wanted posters, the whole shebang
>They tell me it's stupid

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>>53876634
Your friends sound gay. Who would turn down this?

>>53876410
This is how I approached it. Basically started with "Oh my what beautiful scales you have, when was the last time you looked upon yourself?"
>>53876402
>>53876349
We murdered it later on.

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>>53876671
Or this?

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>>53876687
Or this?
Who the fuck doesn't want to have a TRAIN BOSS BATTLE?

>>53876671
>Your friends sound gay.
It's funny you mention that because he was. And we are not friends anymore, naturally.

>>53876634
If I make a wizard can he use his spell focus like a gun and "shoot" people with spells by quickly drawing it and firing a spell off, then sheathing it again?

>>53876741
>duel at high noon, roll a sleight-of hand check to see who draws your wand fastest

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>>53876634
What >>53876671 said
Who would say no to western goblins in little wide brimmed hats or warforged bounty hunters (depending on your preferences)

Heck, I even have a cowboy shawl lined with behir hide to absorb lightning damage on my ranger that was made to go toe to toe with a necromancer that had powerful lightning magic in his arsenal.

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>>53876704
>>53876687
>>53876671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN1bJqU50iA
>you will never play a half-orc barbarian and Chingachgook the white man with a gunstock warclub

>>53876811
The ideal standoff roll is Initiative + Wis + Cha/Str. The draw ain't just about how fast you are, but how much you can unnerve your opponent and force his hand.

This also prevents dexmonkeys from being the only guys capable of competing.

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>>53876741
>If I make a wizard can he use his spell focus like a gun and "shoot" people with spells by quickly drawing it and firing a spell off, then sheathing it again?
Uhh.. I'm pretty sure that's a basic requirement of wizards already, buddy.

I was debating having magical, or mechanically intricate and thus rare revolvers, relics of a lost age, only few in working condition. Ammo would be rare especially, perhaps reloading wouldn't even cross people's minds, you had six shots and that was it, meaning you would only pull it out in the most dire position, also justifying their high damage.

>>53876926
I just made magically-powered gauss guns and gave 'em bow damage.
People are still running around with full plate and swords for a reason. That, and I hate the whole "this thing is rare so it's hyper-powerful but you also have to build your character around it" shit.

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Reposting, in case someone wants to answer

Is Facing optional DMG rule useful in your experience? As I see it, the thing might actually speed up combat if there are more than 2 melee left on one of the sides.

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stat me

>>53876974
>That, and I hate the whole "this thing is rare so it's hyper-powerful but you also have to build your character around it" shit.
Totally I feel you, totally. But I don't think there would be any requirements, other than the standard ranged weapon requirements. Essentially in equal power to current magical items.

The way I imagined it was like this, the man's got a sword, that's his problem solver. Now the iron on his hip, that's for when he gets in trouble.

Sunless Citadel has shatterspike, a magical sword that is wielded by Sir Braford. It has the property that impacts on objects are guaranteed crits and even says that he attempts to destroy the party's weapons

But I don't see any rule for attacking weapons and destroying them. I know objects have hp but how do I determine whether or not he hits the weapon.

Also how should I foreshadow this?

Would running a double shield EK be viable or would my party hate me for it?

>>53877185
>Also how should I foreshadow this?
A big pile of broken weapons.

>>53877185
Probably broken weapons and armor strewn about.

>>53877203
You can't technically benefit from wearing two shields but what the hell go ahead do it, just make sure to pick shield master, tavern brawler and warcaster thank god you're a fighter

>>53877203
What's the point of two shields?
The best you could do is if your DM houserules that using two shields with the two-weapon-fighter feat gives an extra +1 AC from the feat, but then you might as well go shield+rapier and it'd be the same +1 AC if the shield is a weapon.

Also, you don't really help the team by being hard to hit. It just gives enemies even less reason to attack you and even more reason to fuck the rest of the party over.

Is there a homebrew system for crafting mundane items?

>>53875996
You need 13 str to multi in or out

>>53877216
>>53877233
What about actually rolling to hit the equipment? Just standard chance to hit ignoring armor AC? That seems fitting but very harsh

Maybe at disadvantage?

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>>53876634
It is stupid.

>>53877236
Dual Wielder, too.
Your shields are now improvised melee weapons. Since you have two, you get +1 AC. Now take your shields to a smithy and get them bladed and/or spiked so they are 1d6 improvised weapons.

Dual-wielding 1d6 weapons with +3 AC isn't the worst thing in the world, especially when you can keep people on their asses. Then utilize this SECRET TECHNIQUE:
>knock enemy down
>squat on their chest
>grapple with your legs
>proceed to beat them in the face with your shield all day
Works better on a Battlemaster because you can do it all in one round with a Trip Attack for the KD -> bonus Grapple.

>>53877203
1d4 improvised weapon

>>53877359
>Your shields are now improvised melee weapons. Since you have two, you get +1 AC.
So you use a rapier+shield and get +1 AC.

>>53877349
Your stupid.

>>53877393
d2 isn't worth either having to be a faggot with a rapier OR the loss of dual-shielding, let alone both.

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>>53877359
Two words:
Pilebunker
Shields

>>53876102
>aryan white man front and center

Horrible horrible racism and cis white man fascism

delet this

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>Play weak character, planning on becoming more of a utility-based character. It also prevents me from ever becoming an edgelord
>Because of this, our DM avoids fights, and when fights do happen, there's always an obvious way to get out or have an advantage over the enemy
Oh...

>Variant human OoD Paladin who fights mounted using Polearm Master/Sentinel/GWM

or

>Variant human beartotem Barb who fights unmounted using Polearm Master/Sentinel/GWM

Help my indecisive ass out plz.

So my party's pacifist PC died last session due to a lot of poor decision-making.
HotDQ Dragon Hatchery spoilers
>Pacifist Life Cleric
>Doesn't use weapons
>kicks and shoves enemies instead
>picked Guidance, Mending, and Thaumaturgy

>Dragon Hatchery
>Spent his 6 spell slots in 3 fights
>"Hey, we should retreat to Greenest so we can have more spell slots"
>Party disaggrees
>Later on, gets keys to open any door we find

>Roper fight
>We tell Cleric to go open the damn door
>refuses to do it as he wants to punch roper to death instead
>2 rounds pass, we manage to kill the roper, everyone is really low, door still closed
>There's still 2 Drakes that now aggro after Roper is dead
>Cleric finally opens the door but has no more movement
>Drakes get to him
>We lock the door as there's no way he'll get past it before the drakes
>We get a rope so we can pull him out
>Drakes drop him unconcious before that
>Drakes keep attacking him on the ground as there's no other target


Tell me about PC deaths in your games that you couldn't feel happier for.

>>53877554
>Spent his 6 spell slots in 3 fights
Wish my group had more combat per rest. Sorcerer just spams spells all day because we have two combats most of the time

>>53877505
>still falling for the racism and anti-SJW memes
Your bourgeoisie masters have conditioned you to see things in black and white and fight others who do as well. This keeps all of you distracted and in-fighting while your capitalist overlords continue to plunder all the world's wealth and pick your pockets besides.

Who is at the center of that image? A rich man.
Who is stuck in the back, on the far flanks? The working class.
You're six red pills behind.

>>53877305
Ah ok, thanks.
Heavy it is then.

>>53877333
Items have hp and ac see DMG pp. 247
I'd give disadvantage for aiming at a weapon

>>53877585
>Sorcerer spams spells
Not seeing a problem here.

>>53877505
But anon, you're always supposed to put your best foot forward.

>>53875456
>>Take polymorph
That only turns you into beasts.
>>53876256
Instead of heavy armor proficiency, they can add Str to AC in medium armor, up to +3.
>>53876741
That's how you use spell focuses and components already. You have to have a hand free to access them. It's only sage advice (and common sense) that says they work when you hold them.
>>53876811
That should basically be initiative. Sleight of Hand is for not being noticed, not doing it fast.

>>53876905
>Not taking the bullet and shooting back anyway.

>>53877547
>When DMs baby you so much you could play literally any character and the only thing that changes is how you get from A to B, rather than what happens from A to B

What are good uses for Thief's cunning action? He can make a Sleight of Hand check as a bonus action, that seems pretty useful, but I'm not very imaginative and can't think of anything beyond putting manacles on the opponent.

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Oath of Conquest or Vengeance for a paladin going on a one man crusade into the Underdark?

Alternatively how do I play a redemption paladin going down into the Underdark without being a "your enemies win if you kill them" fag?

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>mfw finally got to level 5 as a cleric
Today is a good day. Spirit guardians, bestow curse, sending, here I come.

>>53877698
Oath of conquest is an edgelord oath, much more so that vengeance. You literally can't be good if you follow it, and there's a reason conquest paladins are called Hell Knights.

How do you make polymorph balanced?

>>53877333
I'd base it on the disarming variant rule. Attack roll against defender's strength (athletics) or dexterity (acrobatics) with defender having advantage for an object held in two hands. Regardless, also have to beat the object's AC to damage the object, so the possible results of sundering a weapon are damaging the weapon, disarming the weapon, or failure.

>>53877727
You don't, stronger men than you have tried and failed.

>>53877727
Beasts only.

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>>53877722
>Implying you have to be a hell knight
>Implying wanting global peace is evil

>>53877745
BUT that is how it is anon

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>>53877749

>>53875405
Doesn't this make sense? Metallics becoming humanoid works within the purview of the mysterious benefactor or exotic lover.

>>53877749
>A paladin who takes this oath has the tenets of conquest seared on the upper arm. A hell knight's oath appears in Infernal runes, a brutal reminder of vows to the Lords of Hell.

>Douse the Flame of Hope. It is not enough to merely defeat an enemy in battle. Your victory must be so overwhelming that your enemies will to fight is shattered forever. A blade can end a life. Fear can end an empire.

>Rule with an Iron Fist. Once you have conquered, tolerate no dissent. Your word is law. Those who obey it shall be favored. Those who defy it shall be punished as an example to all who might follow.

>Strength Above All. You shall rule until a stronger one arises. Then you must grow mightier and meet the challenge, or fall to your own ruin.

Seems pretty evil to me.

>>53877591
Thanks based Lenin.
When for glorious Chinese overlords?

>at least their leaders can think more than a minute into the future when making a decision.

>>53877749
>Implying wanting global peace is evil
It's evil if your idea of accomplishing that peace is killing everyone you disagree with

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>>A paladin who takes this oath has the tenets of conquest seared on the upper arm. A hell knight's oath appears in Infernal runes, a brutal reminder of vows to the Lords of Hell.
It specifically says that a hell knight's is in infernal, whereas a non-hell knight is clearly just devout.

>Douse the Flame of Hope.
Save lives by making it so there's no more blood spilt.

>Rule with an Iron Fist.
Save lives by ensuring nobody starts a rebellion, splinter factions and war breaks out.

>Strength Above All.
Once somebody else wins the election, pass over your rule and hone your skills to win the next election.


This isn't a matter of good or evil.
This is a matter of lawful and chaotic.
And this is lawful as fuck, no evil.

>>53877698
A redemption paladin in the Underdark would be perfect for a band of slavers. Probably not what you have in mind but the subclass is a steaming pile of shit.

>>53877844
No, you moron, paladin of the crown is lawful. You twisting the words into something they obviously aren't isn't helping your case.

>>53877547
Dude this reminds me of something that happened like 3 years ago now
>making characters for new campaign by an experienced DM that recently moved into the area
>nothing any of us specifically want to play
>friend has some kind of stat program on his computer, includes a randomizer option
>kobold cleric, we didn't know it included uncommon pc races, but we'll do it anyway, whatever.
>everyone else goes on to select their race and class
>start
>spend hours talking to people in game before we get to a first encounter, dealing with some dudes in an old church
>DM looks straight at me and says
>"There is a vantage point at the top of a large pile of rubble in the left side of the room"
>this is the only description he gives us of the room we're in

He was a great DM most of the time, it was just moments like this that made us really sceptical of his ability.

>>53877815
>killing everyone you disagree wit
Where does it say that?
It merely says to 'punish' them.
It also discourages killing and instead suggests you make people surrender.

You could call this 'oath of peace' and it'd be flavour-wise 100x more fitting than oath of redemption running around killing innocents with their powers.

>>53877722
>there's a reason conquest paladins are called Hell Knights.
Illiteracy? I'm going with illiteracy.

You could probably even be a Good conquest paladin, but I won't swear to that.

>>53877866
I don't know, I think it's twisting words to try to imply it's evil, especially considering they had to make an extra line to say '.. and if you're evil, this happens.'

>>53877844
Literally nowhere it says "save lives". It doesn't say "election" either. It says "rule with the iron fist". It says "lords of Hell". It says "strength above all".
Do you think we're retarded or something?

>>53877749
Bro, I've seen all 53 animes and played all 217 games where the villain tries to create world peace through violent conquest.
It's always stupid and never ends well.

>>53877731
And because I keep screwing this up, defender has advantage or disadvantage depending on size, and attacker has disadvantage if the defender is using the item in two hands. You might want to change either or both of those for sundering, but then it isn't combod with disarm.

>>53877710
Congratulations, Anon.

>It's a "Oath of conquest is totally not evil, guys!" episode again
I fucking hate those.

>>53877910
>lords of Hell
That's an alternate. It is implied that not all conquest paladins are hell knights.
>A paladin who takes this oath has the tenets of conquest seared on the upper arm. A hell knight's oath appears in Infernal runes, a brutal reminder of vows to the Lords of Hell.
Notice the full stop between 'upper arm' and 'A hell knight's oath'? They're different sentences.

>Literally nowhere it says "save lives".
The suggested course of actions in the oath undoubtedly saves lives, put an end to war and all that.
>Strength above all
Well, sure, if nature itself is evil. Darwinism and all that.

>"rule with the iron fist"
Why does ruling with an iron fist make you evil? A leader needs to be strong and assertive. If you put a stuttering wimp in charge, who's going to listen?

>>53877954
This. If your oath sounds like something Doctor Doom would follow, you know you're a bad guy.

>>53877911
But if all you're fighting for ultimately is world peace, that makes you good by 5e standards since it's not objective.

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Oath of Conquest is explicitly not exclusively evil.

>>53877910
>Do you think we're retarded or something?
I mean, I didn't want to assume but since you're offering, yeah. You probably are.

My reading of the tenets is to conquer with fear instead of the blade.
Rule with ironclad laws. Don't bail out your friends, but instead befriend those who follow the rules.
Live by the sword and die by the sword. Either overcome challenges or fall. Don't be a coward.

So show your enemies fear on the battlefield, your people justice as a ruler, and yourself bravery when challenged.

>>53877954
Lawful evil never think that they're evil. All they focus on is the end and gloss over the means.

>>53877977
>Implying Doctor Doom is a bad guy.

>>53878013
>They must crush the forces of chaos.

To think that all these heretics are trying to fool us into thinking we're somehow evil.

So is the underdark a chaotic place that needs order established?

Is there a mirror for the /5eg/ Mega Trove? My quota is done.

>>53878033
That might be fun to role play - a character who doesn't realize that he is evil. Next character I play, I might try that. I'll write LN on the character sheet (I will tell the DM what I'm doing) , name him Stalvern and see if anybody picks up on what I'm doing

>>53877975
I'll take this bait.
>The suggested course of actions in the oath undoubtedly saves lives, put an end to war and all that.
You are grasping for straws, and we both understand that. There's nothing in the oath about saving lives, or protecting anyone - only about power, achieving it and crushing your enemies on your way. Notice the contrast with the oath of the crown.
>Well, sure, if nature itself is evil. Darwinism and all that.
You are also spouting nonsense. Darwinism is not about the survival of the strongest. It also isn't a basis for any sort of morality.
>Why does ruling with an iron fist make you evil
It doesn't, not necessarily. But once again, note that the oath says - be ruthless. Rule with the iron fist. Show no mercy. Nowhere it says "be wise". "Rule justly". Because oath of conquest is not about being a benevolent ruler. It's about being a tyrannical asshole. Again, notice the contrast with oath of the crown, which also treasures order.

>>53878082
Yes, send a legion of conquest paladins there. PURGE.

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>mfw Conquest apologists

>>53878013
I agree - nothing about good or evil.
With that said, the description is as close to "exclusively lawful" as they can get without literally, explicitly saying "exclusively lawful." Order (and lawfulness) above all else, even if it has to get messy on the way.

>>53877996
I'm in FR in 5E which is still objective.

>>53878118
Read >>53878013
"SOME of these paladins go so far as to consort with the powers of the Nine Hells." As written this oath is not exclusively evil, just hardline Lawful.

>>53878158
>consort with the powers of the Nine Hells

sounds hot

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>>53878118
>You are grasping for straws, and we both understand that. There's nothing in the oath about saving lives, or protecting anyone - only about power, achieving it and crushing your enemies on your way. Notice the contrast with the oath of the crown.
And what stops someone from taking the oath to save lives, then?
Just because 'oh, the oath didn't clearly say it's for saving life!' doesn't mean that you can't use it for that purpose.

>You are also spouting nonsense. Darwinism is not about the survival of the strongest. It also isn't a basis for any sort of morality.
It's about survival of the fittest, and I can call you 'grasping at straws' if you say that it's technically slightly different. 'Strongest' accounts for many things, whether it be political strength or physical might. No fucking way they think 'rulers should be determined by their muscle mass', that's stupid. It's determined by how fit they are to rule.
>be ruthless. Rule with the iron fist. Show no mercy.
That's the very definition of lawful. Not the definition of evil.
'You broke the law, so as by the law you must be punished' is lawful.
'You broke the law so I'm going to torture you needlessly for my amusement' is evil.
'You broke the law, but I'm merciful, just don't do it again okay?' is neutral/chaotic.
>Nowhere it says "be wise"
It doesn't say to be unwise, either.

>>53878013
>Paladins of conquest literally live by the same tenets as servants of the archdevils
Really makes you think

>>53878191
>Imperiumfag
That explains literally everything.

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>>53878158
Humans can be plenty evil on their own, consorting with Hell isn't a requirement.

Ruling the world with might and terror and curb-stomping the heads of dissenters to make an example of them makes you evil, get over it.

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>this thread right now

>>53878217
To be honest I know very little about warhammer.
All I know is that those against non-evil conquest knights fall perfectly well into the category of 'heretics'.

>>53875757
>>53875533
>>53876314
>>53876170
Dumb animeposter

>>53878270
>le do you know where you are meme
Take your (you) and get out.

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>>53878232
>tfw demons unintentionally drive sections of the economy through war and keeping the world from fighting itself but instead postponing conquering each other
>demons are good
>tfw trying to achieve world peace by uniting everybody under one banner
>humans are evil

>>53875405
Isn't that the standard? Metallic dragons who are more associated with that, like the gold dragon, still have "change shape" in their statblock.

>>53878245
>not wanting to live under a dictatorship that holds no value for individual lives and is willing to rationalize and perform extremely evil actions as being "for the greater good" but insists that it's not evil makes you a heretic

Okay

>>53878191
>Just because 'oh, the oath didn't clearly say it's for saving life!' doesn't mean that you can't use it for that purpose.
It's explicit purpose is not saving lives. It's conquering, destroying and being a tyrant. Are you gonna adress the oath of the crown argument now? Or are you gonna continue ignoring it, because it doesn't fit your narrative?
>It's determined by how fit they are to rule.
Exactly! And Oath of Conquest tells us exactly how it sees how people are fit to rule - by being the strongest. You know, like in street gangs. It's literally written in the oath, and I'd like to see you try to twist your bullshit about elections here again. "It's only talking about metaphorical strength!", maybe?
>That's the very definition of lawful. Not the definition of evil.
Actually, that's the definition of lawful evil.
>It doesn't say to be unwise, either.
It clearly sets priorities, though. Being on top is what matters for oath of conquest. Being just doesn't. Being a good ruler doesn't. Being a wise ruler doesn't. As soon as you stop living by dog eats dog rules, you break your oath.
Are you gonna adress the oath of the crown thing now?

>>53877689
Pickpocketing big bads
Sneaking explosive flasks into their pockets
Stealing their extra weapons etc

>>53877698
So to bring it back to the original question; Out of all the available oaths, what works best for an LG paladin heading into the underdark?

>>53878343
Well, if he was sent on a mission by a ruler, Oath of the Crown. If he's like one of my players and the drow killed his son, Oath of Vengeance.

>>53878343
>LG paladin
Oath of Devotion is the OG. It's THE lawful good paladin.

>>53877911
>not creating world peace by wiping out english using a language specific infectious parasite and then selling the world nukes only you control by using fearmongering created by a 20m tall bipedal mecha

Do u even want peace bro

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>>53878390
Wiping out english language isn't necessary for world peace, you just need to wipe out specifically the anglo.

>>53878343
Oath of Redemption could be interesting, maybe trying to unify and build order in the Underdark, establish peace and cooperation between the major sentient civilizations of the underground and the aboveground.

Plus there are still plenty of unambiguously evil and unrepentant things that you can kill with a clean conscience, while diplomatizing with the drow and others.

>>53878390
Please don't bring up that retarded plot.

>>53878331
>Are you gonna adress the oath of the crown argument now? Or are you gonna continue ignoring it, because it doesn't fit your narrative?
The oath of the crown is irrelevant. It's not about non-evil conquest. If it was, you could say 'Look, there's this oath that clearly does what conquest is intended to but not being evil.'
... But it's not about conquest.
And just because one lawful oath is worded one way, doesn't mean all lawful oaths must be worded the same.
>It's explicit purpose is not saving lives. It's conquering, destroying and being a tyrant.
Where does it say 'destroy' and 'being a tyrant'?
You're being a hypocrite. I'm extrapolating 'the result of these actions is to make people surrender and obey instead of fighting' and here you're extrapolating and saying 'the result of these actions is destroying'. Both are possibilities, how come your suggestion is the one that's right rather than both?

>You know, like in street gangs. It's literally written in the oath,
Given the context is 'being a strong ruler', it's completely absurd to compare it to street gangs, a chaotic entity.
>"It's only talking about metaphorical strength!", maybe?
I really have no words if you can't detect obvious metaphors.
Or do you believe conquest paladins worship ogres and big, beefy beasts that don't know jack shit about being lawful?
>Actually, that's the definition of lawful evil.
You're telling me enforcing the law is evil?
Well.. Okay. Sure?

>>53878390
Ghost Face: Lawful Evil Conquest Paladin/Mastermind Rogue

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>>53878307
>>tfw demons unintentionally drive sections of the economy through war and keeping the world from fighting itself but instead postponing conquering each other
>>demons are good
Did you know that that's literally me? I'm getting into the arms industry! Guns, Germans and Steel!

Give people weapons and watch a weak man become a powerful man. Powerful people don't kowtow to the supposed authority of a tyrant anymore. They only obey those they respect and trust. And since you sidelined gaining respect and trust through legitimate means for oppression and fear, it's gonna be a rough time.

Your iron fist fails when applied to a strong people. Because the strong people punch back. Lording it over weaklings is utterly contemptible.

And that's why I'll ship G3s to Africa! Hahaha!

>>53878418
English is the global lingua franca and is the basis for all global governance i.e societal control
>>53878424
Just finished it so its on my mind. Yeah it was generally dissappointing game

>>53878452
Wow, he's going all out.

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>>53878452
>I really have no words if you can't detect obvious metaphors.
Nigger, are you fucking serious?

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>>53878331
Just stop feeding him, it's clear he's trolling

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>>53878506
>The strongest shall rule
>The only things that are ever meant to rule are big, beefy but utterly retarded giants
>Yeah this is totally what oath of conquest meant

>>53878390
>tfw your native language is being naturally dumbed down and wiped out because it serves as the lingua franca for international diplomacy
>non-native speakers call it stupid because of your, you're, there, their, etc.
>don't give a fuck about the thousands of years of history, that it was created from a variety of combined language and forms the bedrock of an entire culture
>japanese has 3 alphabets, one with 2000 fucking letters but it'll never be vandalized in the same way because the nobody speaks it outside of japan and they actually give a fuck about their history and culture

yes I am an autist

>>53878452
I admire your tenacity at defending morally indefensible, but it's clear to me that you're either a /pol/ack, dreaming to live under a dictatorship, or a troll. Either way, I'm done wasting my time on you.

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>>53878452
>You're telling me enforcing the law is evil?
Mister A, please fuck off from this board and never come back. We don't want you.

>>53878145
Valbar is shit.

>>53878564
>language is being naturally dumbed down and wiped out because it serves as the lingua franca for international diplomacy
Bruh, the people dumbing down English are Americans who can't even spell "international diplomacy" and don't know what "lingua franca" means.
And the people responsible for trying to make English fancy to begin with were a bunch of asshats who got together one day and decided, "Hey, Rome was fancy, let's write a book that says this language everyone is already speaking should follow bizarre Latin rules and shove it down everyone's throats and get real pissy when they tell our prescriptivist asses off."

>>53878564
>he thinks foreigners are the ones dumbing it down
I've personally met people in India that speak English better than most Americans.

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>>53878578
You know, maybe I would have agreed somewhat if this wasn't 5e, but this is 5e and alignment isn't strictly objective anymore.
And people forget that.

>>53878564
>muh history
>muh culture

Ethnocentrism and xenophobia aren't things you should pride yourself upon. We are all human beings and citizens of Earth, national identity is an artificial construct forced into your mind to keep you subjugated, your nation and the people who run it don't give a shit about you.

>>53878760
>national identity is an artificial construct forced into your mind to keep you subjugated
wew lad.

>>53878698
I've met plenty of Americans that speak better English than most Indians too.

>>53878760
Sure thing, globalist. Looking forward to when Africa pays for my healthcare.

>>53878760
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>53878698
t. mehmet

>>53878795
>Sure thing, globalist. Looking forward to when Africa pays for my healthcare.

Presumably after America pays for it's people's healthcare first.

>>53878822
Apply cold water

>>53878822
So never. Not that it matters, because I'm English.

>>53878822
And somehow they still think they're a first-world country

Nobody tell them, it's funnier to see how long it'll take them to figure it out on their own

>>53878698
African-American Vernacular English i.e. Ebonics is a recognized distinct dialect and you're a racist asshole for implying that African-Americans are bad at English simply because they use a different dialect.

>>53878587

>not liking Mr. A

kys yourself

>>53878898
but anon... he never mentioned black people.
he could have been talking about people like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM73Nh1imyM

>>53878898
Where did I imply it was because of blacks? Libs really do project too hard.
Why you beefin senpai?

>>53878958
To be fair this thread has mostly been about Oath of Conquest.

>>53878959
Appalachian English is also a recognized dialect and it's not hill folks fault they were never warned about the dangers of using lead solders on their illegal stills.

>>53878980
You implied it with your tone.
I'm actually just playin senpai

>>53879043
kek. This makes me wonder what a french person hears when they listen to someone speaking Louisiana French.

How would you rule a PC with tavern brawler using a grappling hook and rope to grapple from a distance?

What cool monsters/villains would a metallic dragon keep in his for profit prison originally made to hold his evil brother and what ever cool enemies he thought would make a bitching hoarde. Dragon is the leader of mutlidimensionsal trade empire fyi. The stranger and more underused the better.

>>53879043
so you saw someone talking about stupid Americans, your brain instantly went to black people, and he is the racist one.

wow.

>>53879043
>>53879119
shit just saw your spoiler sorry

>>53879058
I assume they just hear a ringing sound like tinnitus when they hear French with anything but perfect pronunciation.

>>53879141
It's alright we're all just having fun here.

>>53879106
For profit prison is an cruel thing, anon. The dragon is there for evil too. It where he keep his political enemy and anyone that hinder him.

>D&D's Earth
>Stratified society, you can't climb the social ladder, will always be a peasant. Rulers rule by birth right

>D&D's "Hell"
>Meritocratic society, a fucking lemure became lord of the first layer of hell
Hmmm

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Yay? or Nay?
What would you change about it?

>>53878889
>And somehow they still think they're a first-world country.

I think you're confused on what this means, Anon.

>>53879296

So if I spend one spell slot, am I doing 1d8 or 2d8?

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>>53878889
>he thinks free healthcare is actually free

>>53879321
2d8 at level 1
3d8 at level 2 ect.

>>53879239
Just answer the question and don't try and start a Morality argument. D&D morality is mostly just do you draw you power from positive or negative energy and trying to have a nuanced philosophical view of it silly and counter intuitive since there is no such thing as morality. Good and Evil are social constructs. There is only Is and Isn't. But in this world we're creating he is good aligned and for-profit prison isn't evil. Don't beat the dead horse. I just want some good advice for a first time DM who pulled the Evil Campaign stick when our group was trying to decide what was next.

>>53879420
>D&D morality is mostly just do you draw you power from positive or negative energy
This shit again? D&D good and evil are very real concepts, but they are NOT directly related to negative or positive energy.

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>>53879456
5e good is just 'selfless', 5e evil is just 'selfish'.

>>53878760
Get lost you commie terr

>>53879254
Social mobility is apparently evil in D&D. Seeing as it was created by neckbeards, this isn't particularly surprising.

>>53879081
I'd rule that you can't grapple from a distance because that's not what "grappling" is.

>>53879483
When was it ever different?
Use citations from an official source, please.

>>53879520
It's true, though. The natural society for homo sapiens is the tribe or village. That's how we evolved - to be communal. We never evolved to be empathetic and fair towards people we don't know, which is why large political units inevitably screw over some of their members.

>>53879296
I think the warlock's smite should just be a melee replacement for Eldritch Blast where they get the same number of dice depending on level as EB to divide among their attacks on a turn. It should probably also be a pact of the blade feature instead of an invocation.

>play with americans over roll20
>can hear them struggle to breathe under their 500 pounds

>>53875878
Did he really look that hard, though? There's a table with hireling and service prices on page 159 of the PHB. It's supposed to be 1 sp per mile for ships

>>53879456
>>53879483
>>53879584
Dude I don't give a fuck if you think that my Dragon is Good or Evil. It doesn't matter. Also it's my homebrew world so I don't really have to justify it and what bullshit RAW you're going to throw at me won't work. I just want some cool things my party could fight. Stuff that's weird but interesting and doesn't get enough love. The backstory was just there to help jog some ideas.

>>53879254
>D&D's Earth
>Stratified society, you can't climb the social ladder, will always be a peasant. Rulers rule by birth right

What an inherently ridiculous statement.
Most canon D&D settings are nothing of the sort at all to a degree that is almost silly, which leads me to believe you are pulling things out of your ass just to stir up shit and aren't actually familiar with any classic D&D settings at all.

>>53879633
>try to DM a game with yuros
>can't hear them over the muezzin

>>53879666
Why is your dragon so evil, anon?

Consider converting out of evil Bahamutism and towards something more healthy.

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>>53879584
Fuck off commie
This is fifth edition general not "i failed econ general"

Weekend 5eg has been so bad recently

>>53879420
But why for profit? That the thing I am nick picking at. If they don't pay, he let evil out? Is that why it was formally for his brother until some loser forgot to pay? I will suggest the astral sea pirate, Enrage astral dragon, those beholder that eat treasure, and pesky gnome.

>>53879725
My econ degree thinks you're funny
Inb4 accusations of lying on the internet, because frankly I don't really care what you think.

>>53879697
Forgotten Realms is sorta like that, to be honest. Most "good" kingdoms/nations are hereditary monarchies.

>>53879697
>Dragonlance
There's three actual kingdoms in all of Krynn's nations.
>Greyhawk
Decent number of kings and rulers and such, but a lot are peasants raised to high status.
>Forgotten Realms
Weirdly lacking in actual Kingdoms.
The best you get in most regions are "Lords" who's children will not inherit particular titles and nobility who are actually just wealthy merchants that anyone can be a member of if they have enough coin.
I think there's exactly four full-sized kingdoms in all of Faerun.
>Birthright
Literal Divine Right of Kings, so yeah.
>Mystara
Some, but the setting is so weird it verges in scifi at times with samurai moon people and hollow earth stuff.
>Dark Sun
Basically god-emperors for everyone, but not only are they not popular they aren't even in charge due to bloodlines, just magic.
>Ravenloft
Varies wildly, but often the guy in large isn't even remotely the most powerful guy in the area.
>Planescape
Anarchy, basically.

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>player comes in with prerolled character
>hit points is 2 points less than max possible

>>53879774
>Forgotten Realms is sorta like that, to be honest. Most "good" kingdoms/nations are hereditary monarchies.
There's FIVE hereditary monarchies in Faerun (Cormyr, Damara, Tethyr, Mulhorond, Impiltur) and notably none of them are in the Sword Coast and thus not even a single one of them has appeared in 5e.
Since the Sword Coast gets the most attention and the farther away from that region you are you get "less important".

Hell, I bet most people on here didn't even KNOW about Impiltur.
Faerun seems to gravitate away from large governments and instead Gears itself toward heavily towards city-states, often with rulers who aren't hereditary and basically are just adventurers who decided to settle down.

>>53879856
>tfw dm never looks at my sheet.
>just say I have a spell and cast it, as long as the class can do it
>don't even track spell slots

>>53879757
>>53879716
Because I was reading the monster manual and it said that metallic dragons are good but still greedy and vain. A interdimensional prison that the dragon keeps his enemies in to stroke his ego while renting out space in the lower security zones for other nations most wanted seems exactly like the kind of thing a good but greedy dragon would do. I probably used for-profit prison in the wrong way.

The reason it matters is all my PC's are going to meet in prison and escape together and that's my justification for why my PC's all work together despite being Evil, not following the same god/code, and being from wildly different races with different back stories. All I want is fun encounters for when they escaping. Lv 10 party with unkown comp/number of players due to scheduling conflicts.

>>53879822
Think about it, anon.
In real life monarchies and aristocracies are based off of military alliegences basically, and that if you have a strong enough one people won't attack you readily.
In most D&D settings monstrous hunanoid don't care enough or aren't unified enough for that to intimidate them and attack anyway, and furthermore whereas an army is pretty much the most solid protection around in real life a single adventuring party of sufficient power can raid a fortress and kill or cripple it's defenders by themselves in less then a day's worth of combat and kill the ruler if they get far enough in.

Armies are just "basic security" in D&D rather then the most powerful tool of martial might, which is why a lot of borderlands rulers end up being ex-adventures of decent level; anyone else ends up running the very real risk of getting killed rather easily, army or not.

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>>53879915
This is why people who play casters are just bad people.

>>53879883
I'm not talking just about major kingdoms. I'm talking about dwarven citadels and shit. Bruenor becoming king-under-the-mountain because his grandfather was.
God, Salvatore was such a fucking hack.

>>53879856
>Letting a player "roll" without you there to watch
Your fault, really.

>>53879994
>Letting a player "roll" without you there to watch
"I swear my dice were really lucky!"

>>53879994
>Letting a player "roll" without you there to watch
>Your fault, really.
I'm a player. DM is ignorant. I honestly don't want to start shit that's why I'm venting in /5eg/ as always.

>>53879994
>Dwarven citadels and shit

There's your problem, nobody in their right mind considers Dwarven society "fair" or "good".

>>53879994
Yeah, minor city-state kingdoms seem to have at least semi-heriditary monarchies.
>God, Salvatore was such a fucking hack.
Decent guy though, and plays a solid game of D&D. His written modules are a lot better then his books, actually.
I guess he's better at writing setting stuff then actual storylines with interesting characters.

>>53880042
Fair? Good? I'm the guy with the battleaxe.

>>53880035
I'm sorry about your DM, then. I hate playing with cheaters.

>>53880042
The PHB seems to.

>>53880048
I'm not judging his personality (don't know anything about him except that he's probably from a prudish religion), but he was/is, objectively, a hack. He got famous by blatantly ripping off The Hobbit, and his setting stuff (drow, mostly) was much better used by others than by him.

>>53880117
>He got famous by blatantly ripping off The Hobbit, and his setting stuff (drow, mostly) was much better used by others than by him.
Ironically not even his favorite race, just the one that TSR wanted him to write the most novels about.
Reading his books it's easy to guess what his favorite race actually is.

>>53880132
>it's easy to guess what his favorite race actually is.
tell me which race it is

>>53880132
>>53880147
I'm guessing anon means dorfs, since somehow all of those drow books manage to focus more on dorf society.

>>53880147, >>53880168
Yeah, it's dorfs and halflings.
In his Faerun books there is always ONE dwarf warrior in the group, and in his non-D&D fantasy novels there's more halflings and dwarves then any other type of race.

Honestly the Drizzt novels haven't even really been ABOUT Drizzt since like the third or fourth; they've been about Bruenor Battlehammer.

>>53879774
It still doesnt make it about 5e douche
But at least youve moved on to something imaginary
inb4 i said inb4 that exempts me from any reprisal

>>53880217
The first book seems more about Wulfgahr than about Drizzt. Books 2 and 3 were about Bruenor's quest but with Drizzt featuring heaviliy.
Books 4-6 were supposedly about Drizzt, but book 5 somehow still managed to feature a !dwarf.
After that, your analysis is basically right.

>>53880262
Wulfgar was actually going to be the original main character, which is why his character arc is far more traditional in the first book, but Drizzt ended up being much more popular.

Bladesinger or Hexblade for a melee caster?

>>53878760
>not realizing that all living creatures from all planets are the same

You horrible horrible xenophobe you are exactly the same as bacteria and the zerg you must allow ultralisks to fuck your wife or you are a racist

>>53880692
Bladesinger.

>>53880692
Eldritch knight

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>>53880697
If the ultralisks can fuck my wife, then why can't I fuck theirs? It's called Equivalent exchange. Where da xeno booty at? It's only fair.

>>53880730
So build for int and dex and use a rapier I'm guessing?

Can hide in plain sight work against true sight? I want to stand still and be ignore.

>>53880779
Does true sight work against stealth?

Hey, does anybody have that one gif of the dwarf slinging a long string of insults at an elf? Looks like it came from an SNES game or something?

>>53880765
IF and only IF your DM is cool with spellcasting focus (i.e. enforce having it but doesn't enforce having it being wield when casting), you could go Shortsword and TWF, but nothing stops you from picking Dual Wielder feat for dual Rapier wielding (feat tax, though).

If you roll for stats I'd put 16 on Dex, 15 or 17 Int and pick High Elf.

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>>53878587

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>>53880819
A creature with truesight can, out to a specific range, see in normal and magical darkness, see invisible creatures and objects, automatically detect visual illusions and succeed on saving throws against them, and perceives the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic. Furthermore, the creature can see into the Ethereal Plane.

No, but they should be able to tell which is bigger.

>>53881014
The grey circles on the left are clearly bigger.

>>53880994
If Lawful Neutral was in the dictionary, Dredd's face would be right next to it.

>>53880854
Its called Ravandil's quest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjHclWPVij0
>Dwarven diplomacy

>>53880692
Bladesinger isn't a melee caster by virtue of having zero incentive to actually get into melee.

>>53880745
Thats culturally insensitive and basically space colonialism you cis shit

>>53880994
What would dredd do if he was outlawed

>>53881387
Sedoku

>>53881387
He would law himself in again.

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>>53881372
Space Colonialism? Ha, don't make me laugh. You should learn to practice what you preach!

Swigity Swoogity, I'm comin for dat xenobooti

So, my DM had a session tonight and he usually has us roll on loot tables. It's nothing to brag about because it's all random luck, but I basically maxed out the percentile dice many times in a row so he decided to award me with a pesudo-artifact level item. However, he likes DnD wiki so he gave me this.

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Ethereal_Weapon_(5e_Equipment)

It's much less suited for damage than my current weapon and not much in the way of being "legendary". The DM is always open to hashing things out when he pulls some bad homebrew from someone else so I just want to run this past you guys.


>+2 Attack and Damage.
On the lower side for a Legendary Weapon.
>+1d6 Force Damage on a hit.
Less than what I'm using, but it is force.
>When you use the Attack Action, your reach increases to 30ft until the end of your turn.
This is kind of a cool blade beam or special wind slicing attack. Replaces the basic throwing weapons I'm using. Note that off turn reach is not increased, so no big OA area.
>Once per long rest, you can let loose a blade of light from the sword forming a line of 50 feet long and 10 feet wide in a direction you choose. Each creature in the line must make a Dexterity saving throw against 8 + Strength Modifier + Proficiency. A creature takes 8d6 Force damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful one. This damage increases by +1d6 for every 2 character levels above 5th to a maximum of 14d6.
This is shorter lightning bolt with a wider line. Scales at the same rate as the spell.

Help me pick a class.

I am making a High Elf who has been a sailor for a while. He is (in setting) part of an even society that got crushed hard due to insane levels of hubris, and have mostly been seafaring ever since (basically the survivors were willing to give up their permanent home).

It sounded like a cool setup, so I wanted to make a character based on this. The idea is a long bow archer, who has been on the sea for most of his life. He is still a high elf, so he has nurtured his magic a lot, using it mostly for amusement, and at times, offensive uses, when necessary.

The idea is to take a martial with magic. Likely fighter or Rogue. GM doesn't allow UA, so not Ranger. Any advice on how to best make a "archer with some magic on the side"? I am not at all sure what is better, and considering my party is mostly a bunch of munchkins, I want to get a good start.

I will be starting at level 4 if it matters. So probably getting either sharpshooter or dex.

>>53881014

Can they see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>53881650
Eldritch Knight or maybe a fighter multiclassing with Storm Sorcerer?

Hey guys dnd newb here played mice and mystics and descent.

I'm going to my local game store and gonna play some dnd on Wednesday wut do I need to do before I go play? Or do I just go in only knowing I wanna b a paladin?

>>53881725
Wouldn't multiclassing be a bad idea in terms of ASI progression?

Or would it be better to get a caster class for a level or 2, and get battle master instead of EK? Not sure how good EKs are.

Heroes of the Orient is fantastic.
Is there anything on the DM's Guild you're fond of?

>>53879774
An econ degree given to you by most likely a communist professor at some left wing school.

>>53881737
The Player's Handbook, or at least the basic rules. 5e is a pretty simple system so you can probably pick it up really quickly if you have any other experience whatsoever

>>53881650
Longbow is suboptimal.
High elves are suboptimal.
No UA Ranger sucks, but DM's call there.

The way to go for ranged is Hand Crossbow with Crossbow Expert for a Bonus Action attack. Failing that, then...

I guess straight Arcane Trickster and find ways to get advantage every round.
Or Eldritch Knight and grab Hex through Magic Initiate.

The third option is Bladelock, but RAW that requires either getting a magic Longbow or the DM letting you use Pact of the Blade to create ranged weapons.

>>53875405
They can if I want them too.

WoTC have set the precedence.

>>53881981
>Longbow is suboptimal.
>High elves are suboptimal.

>The way to go for ranged is Hand Crossbow with Crossbow Expert for a Bonus Action attack. Failing that, then...

please kys

>>53878587
But that is right

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>You can't wield a shield and a two handed weapon at the same time
>Player asks if he can find someone to invent a device that lets him strap a shield to his arm so he technically not wield a shield but get bonus AC
>Spends 10mins arguing with the DM why he should be allowed because it "makes sense in my head"

>>53881845
Heroes of the Orient is pretty good. There's Emirkrol's guide to devils, which I found interesting.

>>53881981
>The way to go is pick 2 feats to be at least viable.

>>53881650
valor bard. take swift quiver with magical secrets for 4 shots per turn with your longbow at level 10

>>53882109
>I want to be competitive with munchkins
>What do you mean I need to spend all my options on combat abilities?

>>53882141
This seems quite gimmicky. Won't a Fighter and Rogue not only scale better, but also generally just be better overall? Fighter has 3 attacks at level 11, but with more ASIs he will have betters stats (20 Dex for sure) and feats to further boost the damage. Also fighting style to help with the to hit penalty.

And action surge.

Really, Valor bard doesn't seem like a good decision. Might be missing something.

>>53881981
>Longbow is suboptimal.
>High elves are suboptimal.
Please explain. Longbow has proper range, and high elves has relevant stats for what I need.

How is any of those choices bad?
>crossbow expert
Sure, but I am not making a short ranged fighter. I am making something that is more of a sniper.

>>53882062
>Arguing with retards
What fucking spineless GM does this? Tell him to go fuck himself with a buckler, and stay out of the game until he stops being a whiny little bitch.

>>53877549
>Bear Totem Half-orc Barbarian with tough and max con.
>Can literally jump of the roof of a wizards tower and walk off the pain.
>Borderline impossible to kill.

But if you are set on PAM then go with the variant human Bearbarian.

how to make wizard with adequate hitpoints and AC?
All I can think of is having 1 lvl of stone sorc so I can get 13+Con for AC.

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>player can't be bothered to keep track of their own shit
>it's always the same guy
Sometimes I think I randomly read the book too much, then I remember what I'm dealing with.

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>>53877710
Level 5 cleric is a great feeling. Sending is actually a really nice spell, though i liked the mass healing word and revivify a lot more.

I just today reached level 6 as a necromancy wizard, and I could not be happier. I love having a buffed up undead legion.

>>53882240
Longbow is suboptimal because of Crossbow Expert.

Crossbow Expert means that you can either use a Heavy Crossbow, which is straight up a better weapon than the Longbow once you get rid of the Loading quality, or you use a Hand Crossbow.

Hand Crossbow with Sharpshooter has 100ft range. That's all you need unless the whole party is gimmicky optimized towards being a firing line that begins engaging out at 400 feet.

INT is wasted on martial High Elves. Wood Elves are better, as are Half Elves, and Variant Humans triumph at optimizing due to their level 1 bonus feat.

High Elves do have a place with Rogues by grabbing the SCAG cantrips as their race feature, but you're ranged so it doesn't apply in this case.

>>53882282
Take your first level in Knowledge Cleric. 8+CON starting HP, Medium Armor and shield proficiencies, and Expertise in two INT skills of your choice. All without losing your spell slot progression.

Alternative is two levels of Fighter for more HP, armor proficiency + defensive fighting style, CON save proficiency and Action Surge, but it delays your spell progression further.

>>53877024
>30 CON
>8 STR
>8 DEX
>2 WIS
>2 INT
>30 CHA

>>53882345
>3.5 new to 5e Player picks Cleric
>First long rest we discover he picked 2nd level spells when we're level 2
>He thought he could use 2 1st level slots to cast it

>>53882478
punch him in the left nut and remind him that reading the book is mandatory.

>>53882282
I would say your best bet would be to either dip into cleric with your first level for medium armor and shield proficiency, Play as a mountain dwarf wizard for similar reasons plus a boost in con, or play a bladesinger wizard and then get the tough feat. in all 3 cases, definitely need the shield spell.

>>53882353
We are starting at level 4 buddy.

I dont need a level 1 feat. I can just grab it at my level 4 ASI.

For the sake of the character concept, Elf and Long Bow are not negotiable. Sharpshooter is a given. Since I plan on going with EK or AT, I do need Int, at least a bit of it, so it isnt exactly wasted.

I think I will survive without the bonus action attack.

>>53882487
Thanks God his character died last session.
>played as a pacifist just punching and shoving people instead of using weapons.
>Stubborn as fuck, managed to get mauled by Drakes because he didn't open the exit door 2 rounds earlier when they were far from us, he had the damn keys and we told him to hurry to open it.

I don't even care if he reads the book, I just hope he makes an useful character now and don't halt the game because he prepared the wrong spells.

>>53882353
Heavy Crossbow is shorter range than a Longbow, and the higher damage isn't worth the price of a whole feat by itself.

>>53882567
High elf would be appropriate for Arcane Archer, but no UA. EK is still a good pick. Can have Thunderwave for AE/boarding action, and upgrade that to Shatter/Fireball later and still do the Shield things.

AT is a good pick too. Skulker is a good alternate choice of feat for AT without sacrificing the longbow's range.

Both can use Sharpshooter though the fighter perhaps uses it better. And both can cast spells they know generically so they can learn an out of class spell with Magic Initiate. Hex is good for the fighter. The rogue already has good bonus action uses.

>>53882282
Fighter 1/War Mage X.

Get Plate, Shield. Defence fighting style, all day long +2 AC on a reaction and another +2 AC at level 11. If you want to get really retarded then you can Forge Cleric 1/War Mage X for +1 Armour and not losing spell progression.

No matter what your HP will be kinda meh but you'll be much tankier then other Wizards. If you don't have long encounter days then I recomend Abjurer over War Mage and you can just take Shield and get the Ward of HP.

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>Using a hand crossbow

>>53882567
>I dont need a level 1 feat. I can just grab it at my level 4 ASI.

At 4 a VHuman has the feat they started with, and either another feat or a better combat stat. You know? You grab Sharpshooter and your Elf is going to have +3 on DEX. A vhuman will have Sharpshooter and +4.

That's just how humans are, that's why they're optimal. You wanted an explanation? That is it. Barring certain configurations, most other races are playing catch up.

You can accept it and deal with it for the sake of your character concept, which is perfectly fine, but if you deny it you're objectively wrong.

>For the sake of the character concept, Elf and Long Bow are not negotiable. Sharpshooter is a given. Since I plan on going with EK or AT, I do need Int, at least a bit of it, so it isnt exactly wasted.

Actually, INT is pointless for EKs and Arcane Tricksters. You're never going to have good DCs, so you should buff up your other aspects and only rely on diceless spells. IE about the only good use of spell slots for EK will be Shield and Find Familiar, in addition to a couple utility cantrips. Arcane Trickster can get a little more mileage but not much.

In any case, what help are you looking for then? What do you want to do with your character? You're asking what's better, but what's the metric you want for this? Fighter is a solid frame of a class and will do good even if EK itself is a poorly conceived archetype. Rogue works as long as your DM isn't anal with denying you Bonus Action Hide for Advantage, and is even great DPR with some party synergy through out-of-turn Sneak Attacks.

>>53882692
>Heavy Crossbow is shorter range than a Longbow, and the higher damage isn't worth the price of a whole feat by itself.

400 vs 600 ft, such a range difference desu

You want Crossbow Expert so you can shoot things that get in your face without disadvantage, and to shoot things in the face when they are prone with advantage. It's a good feat even if you don't use crossbows, because enemies are always going to get in your face unless your DM runs ez modo combat.

>>53882755
Jokes on you, I unironically use Shortbows for flavor even on Fighters unless I'm preparing for a battle and know I'll be fighting from very far away..

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Does this game let me be an orc paladin? I don't wanna b no pussy half orc bull shit

>>53882827
Yes, but Orcs suck in 5e.
I'd go Half-Orc that calls himself an Orc if j were you.

>>53882852
Really? That's just some straight up bull shit but I guess so, I'll check on that and see why it sux

>>53882906
It's the only class with -2 to an ability and the Half-Orc has better racial features, they butchered the poor Orcs.

>>53882852
Oh ya I'll go half orc paladin with a little story about why I say I'm full orc hmm good shit ano

>>53882966
Ya they really did, I felt bad reading that sad page of crap

>>53882966
>It's the only class with -2

Kobolds get -2 STR

>>53882966
>>53882974
At least Kobold got -2 to something that really doesn't matter for any class they might want to be, and if your DM's cool with Sunlight Sensitivity then Pack Tactics can be completely amazing.

Also I'm luckily never going to see Orc Wizards.

What's the best Class choice for a Duergar? A Fighter/Rogue seems fun.